Heritage Global Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 10, 2023

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to Heritage Global Inc. 2nd Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

Operator

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ross Dove, Chief Executive Officer. Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call contains forward looking statements based on our current expectations and projections about future events and are subject to change based on various important factors. In light of these risks, uncertainties and assumptions, you should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements, which speak only as of date of this call. For more details and factors that could affect these expectations, please see our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Harrods Global's Chief Executive Officer, Mr.

Speaker 1

Ross Stutz. Go ahead, Ross.

Speaker 2

Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you all for joining. Welcome to our 2023 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Today, we'll start the call with Brian Cobb, our CFO.

Speaker 2

Brian, go ahead. You're up.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Ross. We are pleased to reach the halfway point of 2023 with a record $7,000,000 in operating income. Our solid second quarter results included operating income of $3,100,000 earnings of $0.07 per diluted share and EBITDA of 3,200,000 Both our Financial Assets and Industrial Assets division are continuing to see tremendous opportunities in the marketplace As the current economic situation is driving increased volume and assets coming to market. Our industrial assets has seen a significant increase in its core asset disposition business during the first half of twenty twenty three as compared to the same period in 2022. From time to time, we have real estate transactions in the mix, which occurred in the first half of twenty twenty two, but we think a more accurate comparison is looking at only our core is looking at only our core auction business.

Speaker 3

In the first half of twenty twenty three, we saw a higher volume of industrial auctions, Substantial activity during the second half of twenty twenty three. In our financial assets division, we are seeing heightened activity as Consumer debt reaches record levels and creates corresponding growth in the volume of non performing loans and charge off credit card accounts. Both NLEX and HCC are executing well in the current economic landscape, winning brokerage contracts and specialty lending opportunities. This was demonstrated by a 185% increase in divisional net operating income This 6 month period as compared to the same period in 2022. As interest rates continue to rise and inflationary environment drives Consumers to make more purchases on credit rather than cash, we expect to see asset flows continue to increase as we move through the remainder of the year.

Speaker 3

And turning to the financial details for the Q2. Consolidated net operating income was $3,100,000 as compared to 3.6 1,000,000 in the Q2 of 2022. Net income was $2,800,000 or 0 point 0 $7 per diluted share compared to net income of 2.6 1,000,000 or $0.07 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2022. EBITDA was $3,200,000 as compared to EBITDA of $3,800,000 in the Q2 of 2022 and adjusted EBITDA was $3,500,000 for the Q2 of 2023 as compared to $3,900,000 in the Q2 of 2022. Our balance sheet remains strong with stock holders' equity of $54,200,000 as of June 30, 2023 compared to $48,300,000 as of December 31, 2022 And net working capital of $15,500,000 Additionally, our total balance related to investments in loans to Buyers of charge off and non performing receivable portfolios was $29,900,000 as of June 30, 2023, of which $15,000,000 is classified as notes receivable and $14,900,000 is classified as equity method investments.

Speaker 3

And with that, I'll now turn the call back over to Ross.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Brian. That was comprehensive. So let me just take a few brief moments and try to talk a little bit about the story behind the numbers. As most of you know, our headquarters are in Del Mar. So I took the day off on opening day to go to the race track.

Speaker 2

And while I was there looking at the racing forum, I started kind of thinking about heritage and saying everybody is getting the same information here today, Looking at the same form, yet lots of people seem to be picking different horses. So I thought about that and I thought about today And what I could do to convey you that Heritage is the right horse to pick. So kind of going into the story behind the numbers, The $7,000,000 was great, but more important and I think far more important is how we earned the $7,000,000 If you look back at last year, where we had $11,000,000 in a record year, refreshing that this year, but much more importantly, Last year, we had several large deals and we had some large real estate deals that really helped us get to 11,000,000 This year, the story behind the numbers is very different. This year, the story behind the numbers As we didn't have any significant real estate deal in the first half, we just had incredible solid performance Across all divisions, all divisions are growing without any phenomenal one time deal, just hitting on all cylinders. So let me just take a moment.

Speaker 2

Let's look at HGBL quickly, kind of division by division, and maybe I can help you figure out why we're growing. So in financial assets, everyone gets the same information. We now have $1,000,000,000,000 In credit card debt, think about that $1,000,000,000,000 So the huge growth in the debt It's fueling more and more product into our marketplaces and with more and more product going into our market There is an increase in the purchasing by our onboarded buyers. They're very active now. And as they're active, They're basically coming to us more and more for the lending opportunities.

Speaker 2

So we're growing both the brokerage business On the financial side and the lending business, and we think that really bodes well for not just the second half of this year, but ongoing into next year and beyond. So we feel very comfortable On the financial side, that we're in an actual growth trajectory. Now let's switch to the industrial side. Q2 was, yes, an average quarter in the amount of assets we sold, primarily because several assets flowed over into Q3. More importantly though and far more is what I see in the pipeline.

Speaker 2

We have 26 auctions already posted for Q3. So we're off to really a record start And several of those auctions were signed by ALT, which really bodes well that they're not just performing in their existing retail business, But they're also sourcing auctions for us. So on the industrial side, we see an increase In Q3 over Q2 and growing solid into Q4, if you look at the Q3 industrial One of the things that is great is along with our traditional pharma, you're now seeing us really winning In multiple sectors across the board, we've got an aviation auction of parts for SkyWest. We've got processing from Canopy Growth, which is cannabis. We've got vertical farming from Upward Farms.

Speaker 2

We're once again back with Twitter doing our second auction there. We're now selling a lot of German Surplus machinery. We've got a project with Rawlings, the sportswear company, with Precor, the fitting company. So all in all, We see significant progress, not just in the numbers, but in the story behind the numbers. We think that 7,000,000 It's repeatable and we think over the years we can grow it.

Speaker 2

So we're grateful for all of you that have hung in there with us And we're telling you we see good times going forward. Thank you all once again for joining us and listening. I'm open to any questions at this point. Thanks again.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will begin conducting a question and answer A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question Our first question comes from the line of Mark Argento with Lake Street. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey, Ross and Brian. A couple of quick ones here. First off, could you help us, Ross, you alluded to it about Looking at last year's operating income contribution from real estate, could you just help us understand what that $11,000,000 would look like without the real So we can kind of think about a little apples to apples from last year to this year. And then just I'd also see if you could touch on the loan book. It looks like it grew a little bit in the quarter up to $29,000,000 and change, but I was thinking maybe that would have grown a little bit more just given how strong the finance segment has been for you guys.

Speaker 4

Good to delve into that a little bit for me. I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Speaker 2

So I'm actually going to pass the baton to Brian, because Those are financial questions. I think that he's ready and willing to get after. So go ahead, Brian.

Speaker 3

All right. So your first question, Mark, we reported in Q2 of 2022 that the net impact The Huntsville Pharmaceutical Campus closure in that quarter was $2,600,000 to net operating income. So When I'm looking at a total divisional net operating income for industrial Of $4,200,000 in last year's 6 month period versus this year's 6 month period of 4,000,000 Last year, you got to remove $2,600,000 and then we're comparing our core business year over year. And then to the next

Speaker 2

question about our balance, go ahead, on our lending.

Speaker 3

Yes. So to touch on the lending side. So yes, we had Significantly more growth, to the overall loan book in Q1. And there's two real reasons to that. In Q2, we did originate a lot of loans.

Speaker 3

We're not slowing down our originations. What happened was we, established a new joint venture with a new senior lender and we some of our existing loans under that joint venture during the quarter. So not only are we we're still originating, But we've developed new relationships in the industry and we think that's going to bode well for future deals, potential new Borrowers coming on board and the ability to kind of diversify our loan book. And I would expect that in the next quarter or 2, we'd see more growth than we saw in Q2.

Speaker 4

Do you happen to have that origination like what you guys originated in Q2 versus what you originated in Q1, Andy?

Speaker 3

So, Q I can kind of look at the cash flow statement. I wouldn't want to give exact numbers right now. But we had $18,700,000 in investments in notes receivable, Investments in Equity Method Investments was 4.2%. So you're looking at $20,000,000 $22,000,000 $23,000,000 in originations and then transfers of $9,000,000 coming out of that for the whole year. In Q1, we had about $13,000,000 in originations.

Speaker 3

So less I would say less originations on a net basis.

Speaker 4

But on a gross basis, it was up, is that kind of what I heard?

Speaker 3

Yes. What was that? You mean, you've

Speaker 4

just originated more in Q2 than you did in Q1 On a gross basis?

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 4

Yes. No, I mean, I think it would be helpful, and obviously, it's something you guys either sold off some of the loans or what's your new partner, but Yes, just that gross originations number would be helpful just to kind of get a gauge for the trajectory because it seems like just given how strong that financial Segment is that Heritage Global Capital would be cranking, which it sounds like it is, but Yes, looking at just the balance there threw me off a little bit, but I appreciate the additional info. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Yes. Our next question comes from the line of George Sutton with Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Ross. I appreciate the horse racing tie in. That was interesting. So I wanted to Just to address the Q3, we're tracking the auctions off the platform very closely. We see what you just indicated, which is You have started very strong in Q3.

Speaker 5

We're also, as you know, tracking charge off volumes very closely from a macro perspective. So It would certainly seem like the fuel for your business is very good and this quarter has started well. Can you just Stand on that if you could.

Speaker 2

Yes. So what happened on the industrial side, George, In Q2 is what kind of always happens after a record Q1, you're scrambling after record Q1, Not just to sign them, but to finish up the Q1 auctions. So the problem with sequential over sequential growth Sometimes it's hard to do quarter over quarter. So what happened is we had a large amount of deals getting signed over the last 6 weeks. So that's why we're telling you we're going to have a bang up Q3, because we made a pretty darn good living in Q2, but more importantly, We had lots of wins that you can see on our website posted for Q3, and we had a couple of Q2 deals that rolled over.

Speaker 2

So that's kind of why I can talk so bullish because I can see what we've already signed And note that there's still some time left. So I'm really comfortable on the industrial side. On the financial side, George, Obviously, the amount of when I say there's $1,000,000,000,000 in credit card debt, Some of those people are probably going to pay back their credit card debt. No, just a joke. But there is an absolute mathematical Empirical truth to the amount of debt leads eventually to the mathematical amount of charge offs.

Speaker 2

So we can clearly see that as the debt is reaching all time highs Over the next 6 months, 9 months, year, 2 years, there's an elevated amount of product for us to sell. So that's why we can kind of comfortably forecast that we see growth. Is that a fair answer?

Speaker 5

That's great. As an aside, I would say the folks at the horse race probably won't be those that pay back their debt. But I did want to ask one other question. In some of the checks we've seen, the direct sellers, The JPMorgan types who sell direct into the market are not achieving the same pricing in their sales that Enlex is, which would be increasingly important when we start to talk about $1,000,000,000,000 of credit debt that could turn into charge offs. Can you just discuss the environment that you're seeing?

Speaker 5

And is that are you seeing what we're hearing about?

Speaker 2

So A lot of these companies that are very large, not just the largest Banks, but a lot of companies wound up basically with a one trick pony. They had one buyer they were Extremely comfortable with, which we understand because a big part of buying the loans is credibility, having a Trusted purchaser who is SOX compliant, who you know is going to follow all the rules. So they got comfortable with 1 buyer and it kind of worked in rising times. But right now, When times aren't rising on what you're getting as a recovery, more and more are looking to them So want to run a process to make sure they don't just have the one right buyer and that our kind of ethical Auction process where we bring in multiple buyers and they find the right company is starting to resonate. That doesn't work in a growing economy where everyone's very comfortable that they have the right vendor.

Speaker 2

But right now, people are wondering, do I have the right vendor? And they're looking to make sure that they have the best Possible vendor in place. So we think we're going to get more and more people at least giving us a test against their current vendor.

Speaker 5

Okay. Finally, did you walk away as a net winner or loser at the races?

Speaker 2

So the way that I look at the races is I don't bet on the favorite and at the same time, I don't Bet on the long shot. I try to find the horse that's getting better and better over time. So I bet on the heritage horse, Jars.

Speaker 5

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions I'd like to hand the call back to Ross Dove for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

So thank you all very much. We truly appreciate You guys paying attention, you guys hanging in there with us, staying with us, and We're here to try to prove that you've done the right thing and we graciously appreciate the fact that you're still here. So thank you and we'll keep on pushing forward.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.

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