Neo Performance Materials Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 11, 2023

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Neo Performance Materials Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Friday, August 11, 2023. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ali Mahdavi, Senior Vice President of Corporate Development and Capital Markets.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for New York Performance Materials 2nd quarter earnings call. Just as a reminder, a replay of this call will be available starting tomorrow in the Investor Center of our website at neomaterials.com. Joining me this morning are Raheem Soleiman, NIO's Chief Executive Officer and Jonathan Becht, NIO's Chief Financial Officer. Please note that some of the information you will hear during Today's presentation and discussion will consist on forward looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding revenue, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, product volumes, Product pricing, other income and expense measures, cash returns and future business outlook, including potential expansion plans.

Speaker 1

Actual results or trends could differ materially from those discussed today. For more information, please refer to the risk factors discussed in NIO's most recent financial filings, which were filed on SEDAR earlier today and are also available on our website. NEO assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements or information, which speak as of their respective dates. Financial amounts presented today will be in U. S.

Speaker 1

Dollars. Non IFRS financial measures will be used during this conference call. Further information regarding NIO's use of non IFRS measures is available in NIO's year end earnings press release, which is available on SEDAR And on our website at neomaterials.com. I will now turn the call over to Liam.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ali, and good morning, everyone. We're excited to speak with you today and speak to our midyear business update. For a quick roadmap, I'd like to first review some significant updates for Neo. 2nd, touch on some key industry and market dynamics. And 3rd, Revisit Neo's long term strategy for growth.

Speaker 2

Jonathan will then provide an overview of our financial and operating results. So first, there's a couple of obvious changes in our conference room this morning. As Constantin retired as Neo's CEO last month, We'd again like to thank Konstantin for his more than 30 year commitment to building Neo into the thriving company that it is today. His guidance, his leadership and vision will help continue to shape NIO's growth trajectory for the years to come. The other obvious change is that there's a new face or at least voice on the call today as Jonathan Bakish has been in the CFO seat for nearly 2 months.

Speaker 2

We couldn't be more thrilled to have him on board. Jonathan is an accomplished operational CFO, most recently joining us from Celestica, Where he was the divisional CFO of a $3,000,000,000 manufacturing business. Prior to that, he built a career with General Electric With a number of financial leadership roles across capital intensive and highly regulated industries. So turning to Neo. During the Q2, NIO continued to operate strongly on all fronts.

Speaker 2

As a leading global rare earth magnetics company With parallel supply chains inside and outside of China, it was a busy quarter with some notable highlights. 1, We made demonstrable progress on our 2 large capital projects. 1st, in Narva, Estonia with the groundbreaking of our new European magnetics plant And second, in Xevo China, where we continue to our expansion and relocation of our emissions catalysts business and value added rare earth business. 2, we continue to navigate very challenging demand trends for magnetic materials and continued softness in rare earth pricing. 3, we achieved record breaking results in our rare metals business, particularly for products where recycled material is a major input And most notably, our Hafnium business.

Speaker 2

4, we are continuing to methodically review our working capital employed, Particularly as the dynamic pricing environment continues to evolve to evolve, sorry, achieving a $34,000,000 reduction in inventory balances Compared to year end. 5, we made a strategic investment of $4,500,000 in Neo North Star Resources Taking a strong minority position with an offtake agreement for 60% of the available rare earth feedstock in the Greenland Rare earth mining project that we've discussed previously. And 6th, we closed the acquisition of SG Tek, A premier European magnetics manufacturer in Europe. In terms of SG Tek, we are pleased to have completed the acquisition early in the second quarter. We are currently in process of integrating our management teams and operations.

Speaker 2

We are very pleased with the commercial and technical cooperation between our Magnetix teams And the integration of SG and A is tracking according to plan. On June 28, we broke ground On our new magnet facility in Estonia, a first for Europe, we were proud to host high ranking government officials From multiple countries along our supply chain, as well as customers, suppliers and investors. A highlight of the event Was the speech by the European Commission President. President, von der Leyen commended the partnership between Neo and the Government of Estonia For the fast issuance of permits and the rallying of all local stakeholders behind this project. In her words, and I quote, The rare earth magnets that will be produced by NIO are indispensable to growth and innovation in sectors like electric mobility, wind energy and microelectronics.

Speaker 2

We appreciate this specific recognition by the President of the European Commission, citing Neo by name, And we continue to stay the course of our growth strategy with our timeline to bring rare earth permanent magnets to the European supply chain. NIO has manufactured its rarest magnetic products both inside and outside of China for decades, including our Thailand manufacturing facility, Which has been operating for over 25 years and our center of R and D excellence located in Singapore. We continue to believe In the long term success of localized magnetic supply chains and our expanded manufacturing hub in Estonia Will help address the growing need for rare earth magnetics within Europe. Taking a step back for an overview of the market environment, Rare earth pricing continued to decline through the Q2. Magnetic rare earth pricing for neodymium and presidium are down approximately 35% from the start of the year and are down almost 50% compared to the same quarter last year.

Speaker 2

Tervium, a critical rare earth material also used in permanent magnets, is also down nearly 50% from just the start of this year. This is reflective of a sluggish demand environment for magnetics in nearly every geography and maybe offsetting some of the rapid price increases in 2020 2021. We've covered much of this dynamic in the past. But suffice to say, the magnetics industry is currently in a market low, Despite the favorable long term trends, there are very consistent views across the rare earth industry and automotive industry That this is a short term market lull and nothing has fundamentally changed the long term demand and requirement for more rare earth magnets. Rare earth magnetic elements remain high on the critical material list of just about every jurisdiction and remain a very high priority for customers To have options inside and outside of China for this material, this is also evidenced by the continued announcement of other players Desiring to enter the rare earth magnetic space, a place where NIO has operated within for the past 25 years, understands well And is complemented by NIO's rarer separation business.

Speaker 2

The declining price environment has somewhat slowed over the past 2 months, Although we believe that there is just a tempered demand recovery at present. On Another market topic, we've received numerous questions about the global dynamics for Gallium After the announced regulatory changes within China. To be clear, our Gallium recycling business Is located in North America across 2 operations in Canada and the U. S. And we do not have gallium operations in China.

Speaker 2

To date, there have been no discernible impact on our gallium business operations and we do not source feedstock from China. Customer inquiries are clearly increasing and we continue to seek additional waste streams that we can recycle into valuable material. Our Gallium business is a relatively small component of our rare metals business and Teneo as a whole. Yet trade policies can change quickly. And this is the primary reason that we have mature, dual supply chains for Neos rare earth magnetics and separated rare earth products Inside and outside of China, this is a key competitive advantage for Neil that we will continue to build upon.

Speaker 2

Before I turn the call over to Jonathan, I've been getting a number of questions from shareholders and customers relating to my view of Neo's long term vision and strategy. I've had the pleasure of working with our business units for the past 6 years. And my vision for NIO's future is fundamentally aligned with core vision over those past 6 years with some adjustments that will become evident in the periods to come. Neo is a global rare earth magnetics company with operations inside and outside of China. Our core values remain the same.

Speaker 2

Our core value proposition to our customers remains the same, and it grows with the expanding size and breadth of our business. Yet there are areas of opportunity Upon which we intend to capitalize. In terms of our upstream raw material strategy, we will continue to focus On enlisting more suppliers with more geographic diversity, Neo already receives the most geographically diverse rare earth feedstock And this will continue to grow. And we will continue to evaluate strategic partnerships for long term cooperation. But you should not expect Neo to become a mining company.

Speaker 2

It is not part of our core business model. What you should expect is for Neo to continue to develop Strategic relationships for additional supply outside of China. Neo has a unique capability of separating light and heavy rare earths And transforming that material into high value products, including magnetic materials. These high value opportunities will remain the focus of the company. In terms of style, we will continue to invest in building a culture of continuous improvement And to have a defined focus to execute our key projects.

Speaker 2

Top of mind for me is executing our growth plans And the European magnetic strategy is the first piece that puts Neo on the offensive. Developing keen awareness and forethought To ensure that the Estonian magnetic project comes to fruition is one of the highest priorities for our company, and it exemplifies the philosophy of ensuring that we allocate more resources to our top projects. I refer to this as having the right focus. And so having the right focus for each of our teams is where I have been and will be spending my time. That focus needs to be on the highest growth and highest Value activity is in front of us.

Speaker 2

And I believe we have a generational opportunity in things like rarest magnetics, Driven partly by the electrification of automobiles and other energy efficient applications. NIO is operating at the right time, In the right geographies with the right technology and expertise in a market that is on the cusp of exploding, we will focus On executing our part toward making the world a more sustainable place and capitalize on the immense demand and growth opportunities That everyone believes is on the horizon. I will have more to share in terms of Neo's long term roadmap. But in the meantime, You can expect us to operate our business profitably, execute key milestones on our growth projects, add data tools to improve operations and metrics Like the return on capital and ultimately drive more shareholder value. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jonathan.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Raheem, and good morning, everyone. As I run through our financial performance for the quarter, I'd like to underscore the strength in our current financial position As well as the key factors shaping our results, which include continued headwinds in rare earth pricing and mixed market demand dynamics. With top line sales of $170,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $19,000,000 NIO had a strong quarter despite a tough market environment. From a cash generation perspective, we delivered $24,000,000 in cash from operations during the quarter $43,000,000 year to date. That represents Neos 5th consecutive quarter of positive cash from operations.

Speaker 3

This financial strength allowed us to fund growth initiatives and further return capital to shareholders in We invested $14,000,000 into the acquisition of SG Tek and contributed $4,500,000 into Upstream Ventures. We also began to execute against our NCIB share repurchase plan, while continuing to fund our shareholder dividend. Combined, the share repurchase and dividend were $4,500,000 during the Q2. With $127,000,000 of cash and cash equivalents and no short term debt, We are well positioned to execute our growth initiatives. Operationally, we continue to convert higher cost inventories into cash As our inventory balance declined to $178,000,000 an improvement of $34,000,000 from the start of this year.

Speaker 3

We are continuing to work towards our established working capital targets. Managing the appropriate amount of inventory in a declining price environment It's always a challenge, but it is a primary focus and we are making incremental improvements. NIO's long term fundamental value contribution Despite the direction of rare earth pricing is starting to become more prominent in today's market environment. The impact of negatively delayed compresses our margins in the short term, but ultimately This will free up cash given the current trajectory of price trends. Now looking at the performance of our 3 business units starting with Magnequench.

Speaker 3

Rahim discussed some of the key trends within the magnetics industry. The lower demand environment continued through the 2nd quarter reflecting the macroeconomic headwinds Most of our magnetic end markets. Although we still believe the long term trends supporting this business are strong, the short term demand challenges do create uncertainty, Giving us very limited visibility into volume levels for the second half of twenty twenty three. With that said, Magnequench took action early in the year with cost Cutting measures to right size the business. These actions combined with the continued operational improvements have allowed the business to effectively and proactively manage its cost In addition, we continue to secure new wins and manufacture record numbers of magnets.

Speaker 3

This organic growth combined with the high value magnet business in SG Tek is allowing Magnaquench to build a strong book of long term business. It is worth noting that both the cost cutting measures and the SG Tek acquisition included some one time expenses, Which caused our SG and A run rate to be a little higher than historical trends for Magnequench. Despite the current Soft market environment, we continue to believe that we have the correct assets in service around the world to meet the needs of our Magnetix customers. Shifting to C and O. The business unit delivered $71,000,000 in revenue, up 39% versus prior quarter, Driven by demand for high value products including environmental emission catalyst and dysprosium, which goes into the multilayer ceramic capacitor market.

Speaker 3

However, the overarching headwind within CNO remains the rare earth market pricing as finished goods around the world today were originally purchased using rare earth feedstock when pricing was 35% to 50% higher. This flow through has resulted in downward pressure on TNO's margins, which will continue until rare earth Market pricing stabilizes. From a demand perspective, I'd like to emphasize that there remains regular buying for the non magnetic products And Sino benefited from having strong spot sales during the Q2. Value added materials continue to have strong and consistent buying patterns. However, the softness in magnetics and the impact of lead leg continue to have an outsized impact on CNO's performance.

Speaker 3

Last but certainly not least, rare metals continue to outperform in Q2. It outperformed relative to our expectations And it made substantial contributions to the total company's bottom line. This was driven by the strong demand and upward pricing trend In the half year market, which has seen higher end use demand within the memory chips and aerospace industry against a short supply scenario. While we try not to establish commodity pricing predictions on these calls, it's worth noting that we do expect hafnium pricing to moderate As the normal laws of supply and demand play out over the coming quarters. However, we believe we still see Stronger margins than historical periods as Neo capitalizes on its unique capabilities to use scrap material and recycle it.

Speaker 3

This strategy provides for better utilization of critical materials, is better for the environment and provides additional margin to Neo As input costs for scrap materials are not rising at the same rate as finished goods. Our rare metals Team continues to make progress on optimizing its business model and economics for Tantalum and Niobium products, which we believe Will be another growth driver for the business over the long term. Lastly, on a personal note, I'd like to talk about the underlying culture that truly differentiates NIO. As I went through my journey of joining the company, I was impressed by the talented and capable people As well as the technical expertise and compelling strategy for growth. After 2 months in the company, I can tell you that my already high expectations have been exceeded.

Speaker 3

I'm thrilled to be part of the NIO team and I look forward to spending more time with our shareholders to tell NIO story and to talk about the company's vision for the future. With that, I'd like to open it up to the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you, sir. And if you're using a speakerphone, please lift your handset for pressing any keys. One moment please while we compile the roster. Your first question comes from David Ocampo with Cormark Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Thanks for taking my questions, everyone. Raheem, maybe we could start on the lag component of your business. I think in previous calls, you talked about a 3 to 5 month lag. I'm just curious, you mentioned on the call or Jonathan mentioned that you were able to drive it lower.

Speaker 4

Just curious by what order of magnitude? And maybe you guys can explain why you need to keep so much feedstock on your books.

Speaker 2

Sure. So lead lag continues to be an issue. And it is driven partly by the, let's say, unusual level of volatility of barrels prices over the last, Call it 24 months, even 30 months. So the way that we need to manage that, and I think we're on a journey Continuing to manage that is twofold. One is we need to think about our overall inventory levels and our overall inventory turns and how do we actually improve Kind of the turns and the cycle and the speed upon which our business will operate.

Speaker 2

To do that will be a series of data tools that we will put in place that are managing where we Demand fluctuations, how we can accurately see customer forecast better and how we can react our planning cycles to match those in a much more Closely aligned method. The second thing that we would need to do is to think about better alignment between customer POs Our existing buying patterns, we are naturally long on all inventory, obviously, because we have 3 to 5 months of inventory. And historically, we have received lesser kind of fixed price contracts for customers. And when we do, we tend to Hedge against those fixed price contracts. I think we need to review inventory matching as a duration over the entire book of business.

Speaker 2

So just think A little bit about how we can do that differently. So it's a journey, David. I think we're at just at the beginning of that journey. I mean, we've been talking about reducing inventory for The team has done some excellent work on doing that. I think the next step of that journey is just to take advantage of the data tools that are available, So that we can make better decisions and react quicker.

Speaker 2

Got it.

Speaker 4

I guess we'll keep a closer eye on that one and see how that unfolds over the Upcoming quarters, but maybe on rare metals, I mean, that's a business that's done extremely well and you guys called it out in your prepared remarks. Just curious if that business is entirely on spot or is there some contract element as it relates So the metals that are doing certainly well at this time?

Speaker 2

Yes, actually more of the business is on long term contracts than any of our other businesses, Quite honestly, the other businesses and I would say particularly the rarer separation businesses where The vast majority of the volatility exists and the vast majority of the product that actually gets sold on spot gets sold on spot. It's all on the rare separation side. The Magniquent side again has long term contracts with customers, just demand changes and pricing moves through pass through agreements. But the rare metals business is one where we get Longer term contracts for customers, I think, Hafium is probably even on the longer term of those. So the upside here is that we've got contracts For the balance of this year that reflected pricing.

Speaker 2

We've got contracts going into next year to reflect good pricing. And I'll tell you what, the pricing that we're seeing today is higher Then the pricing that's going through our average book today because those contracts would have been entered into 6 months ago and the like or 12 months ago even. So Rear metals prices and hafn prices were lower. So our realized ASP in our P and L from our hafn business is lower Than the current POs that we're signing up for. So we still see continued opportunity there.

Speaker 2

We have good demand profile there. I'll tell you this quarter's Demand, like just number of shipments of Hafnium product was really high. So in terms of is that number as repeatable as folks would like it to be, I think margin expansion will continue to be a positive trend, but we did have an extraordinary amount of volume of this high value product in the quarter.

Speaker 4

And out of curiosity, is the lead lag component of that also kind of in that 3 to 5 month ballpark?

Speaker 2

Yes and no. The strategy there is a little bit different. And it actually take it for good or bad. It actually causes us to hold more inventory, but because we have customers that are willing to agree to long term contracts, we are much more inclined to actually just take physical. So we actually have Significant amount of inventory locked in against those sales contracts that we've talked about.

Speaker 2

So the benefits in rare metals It's less about lead lag in the period and it is more about just the lead portion, I guess. It is a fundamentally increasing pricing environment And it's not about inventory necessarily being mismatched because we bought that inventory at the time that we entered into the sales field with the customer too. It's not a mismatch lead lag, but because of higher finished good prices and we're using scrap material as our input, there's more margins available. So So it is a fundamental improvement in the business.

Speaker 4

Okay, got it. That's my questions. I'll hand the call back.

Speaker 2

Thank you, David.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Yuri Lynk with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, Reem. Just following up on rare metals. I mean, just since it was such a It's a strong quarter from an EBITDA perspective. I mean, what how is Q3 shaping up How has it been to date? Anything you can give us to help form expectations for the current quarter?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think that, rare metals will have a difficult time repeating that level of EBITDA In future quarters, whether that's next quarter or the quarter beyond, as I said, it was a very high volume I don't think that means it returns to kind of historical norms. As you know that, that business had much lower EBITDA levels for Between 2017 2020 ish, I don't think it returns to those levels. I think it remains fundamentally higher and fundamentally better. Better.

Speaker 2

But certainly this quarter is outsized as I said due to volume, but margins will remain healthy and the business remains healthy.

Speaker 5

Just on Magnaquench volumes, I mean, Yes, it's some pretty easy comps in the first half of last year And we're down materially on those. I mean, is there something else fundamental going on to explain Besides inventory destocking, like is there substitution from other Magnetic materials that might be more attractively priced, some kind of demand destruction, anything there to Explain the pretty weak volumes?

Speaker 2

Yes. I don't think there's demand destruction. If anything, given where prices are Now, it's a benefit to Magnequence, right? When neodymium and presidinium was twice the value that it was, There was a lot more concern and rightly so about customers looking for substitution of alternative solutions. Where prices are now, customers are less motivated because the energy efficiency factor is just that much more important.

Speaker 2

And we've talked about it in the past That it's a rare earth magnet 10 times stronger than a ferrite magnet. There's just different applications that can afford to do that. I think the majority of the growth in the applications are going to continue to need rarest magnets. And I think that's why you're seeing kind of the whole market looking in that direction. Having said that, your comments about the past are absolutely correct, right?

Speaker 2

There's less volume this year than there was last year, and there's certainly less margin this year than last year. I think the volumes are going to return. I think that the volumes are this what we see is still being a temporary lull. They're probably still low in Q3, although I think that they're better. Everything that we're seeing is better than the existing quarter, but it's probably not ramping up to our Expectation relative to the book that we expect from our customers still for another couple of months.

Speaker 2

So I think that the volume ramp is slower the volume return is slower Than we would have liked to see, but I still think we're on that path. In terms of the margins though, I mean, you're looking at EBITDA margins per kilo. I think we've talked about Magnaquench having benefited from despite have been on pass through, there is still a quarter to quarter dynamic. And When rare earth prices went up for 6 consecutive quarters, Magnaquench was making outsized gross margin per kilo or EBITDA per kilo metrics. When railroad prices have declined 6 consecutive quarters, Magnaquena is making lower EBITDA per kilo metrics.

Speaker 2

As the business is on pass through, it's actually not going to be terribly dissimilar to the EBITDA margins per kilo that you would have seen in more steadier times 2018, 2019 2020. And If you look at it that way, you'll see that the margin should be higher than they are today, but not as high as they were in 2021.

Speaker 5

Given that you control such a large portion of that market in Magnequench, Can't you negotiate better terms on Producing the impact of the lead lag like you've I think in some of Your AIF and some of the prospectuses you've said you've got upwards of 70% market share. So I would just think You'd be able to negotiate better commercial terms to have a more predictable business.

Speaker 2

Well, we have the larger market share in kind of the outside of China We have a much lower market share inside of China because the just depending on I think the specificity of the application. And the challenge for us honestly in the outside of China market is we have to keep inventory for customers in those jurisdictions. So It does hurt us a little bit on working capital. It does hurt us a little bit then on lead lag because we have a longer cycle when we have Keep the material outside of China. Inside of China, we see much less variability on margins.

Speaker 2

It's because our business is so slated toward Outside of China customers that we have a little bit more variation. But Magnaquence's margins are healthy. When we look at it from a conversion cost To gross margin type ratio, it's a very healthy, a very strong business. We are getting paid for our Technological leadership, the quality of our product and the availability to our customers. So I don't know that I think that It is a lack of a dominant pricing position with customers that can change or let's say a creation of a dominant position with customers can really change lead lag.

Speaker 2

I think it is more us just kind of sharpening our pencil to get the right amount of inventory in the right jurisdictions and maybe Analyzing customer behaviors a little bit closer, making tougher decisions on how much inventory to carry in each of those foreign jurisdictions. Like I said to David, I don't think it goes away. I just think that we get better at it. And I would say hopefully, I would not expect rare earth prices to jump around that the way they have in the last 24 months. So we didn't we did talk about lead lag a little bit in 2017, 2018, 2019, but certainly not the way that we've had to talk about it over the last 2 years.

Speaker 5

And just last question on the Magnequins volumes. What would of SG Tek have contributed To the 1037 tons.

Speaker 2

A really tiny amount. And that's only not because SG Tek is a really small Business, but because SG Tek does more than bonded magnets, so that number in there is generally a bonded magnet type number. So it is Couple of percent off the top of my head, I'd say like 5%. There is so we're trying to figure out what the right Reporting structure will be with EskyTech because some of what they do would be in the kind of rare earth magnetic Some of what they do is in the soft magnetic space. So how do we kind of now start combining the multiple metrics together.

Speaker 2

So Overall, their contribution, look, we're really thrilled with how that how they are operating, how we are operating with SG Tek. They are also seeing In terms of their customers and now our customers, demand challenges. So we think that there's much more opportunity for that And its current contribution, but today I'd say it's like 5% of Magnequench volumes.

Speaker 5

But Their contribution to Magnequench revenue would be above that, if I understand you.

Speaker 2

Above that. We haven't been specific on providing kind of location by location information In the quarter, less than 5% of EBITDA and I'd say significantly less than 5% of EBITDA came from SG and A.

Speaker 5

Okay. Okay. Thanks very much. I'll turn it over.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jurek.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. You may proceed.

Speaker 1

Once again, on behalf of the Neo team, thank you for joining us today. If you have any follow-up calls or questions, feel free to reach out to myself. That concludes today's call. We look forward to speaking to you on our Q3 conference call. Have a great weekend.

Speaker 1

I'll hand it over to the operator to close the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect.

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