NASDAQ:SMTI Sanara MedTech Q2 2023 Earnings Report $29.08 +0.39 (+1.36%) As of 02:40 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Sanara MedTech EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.22Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ASanara MedTech Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$15.75 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASanara MedTech Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/14/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, August 15, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsSanara MedTech's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Sanara MedTech Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 15, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the SonaraMedTech Inc. 2nd Quarter 2023 Results and Business Update Conference Call. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Callan Nichols, Director of Investor Relations. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to Ceram MedTech's earnings conference call for the quarter ended June 30, 2023. We issued our earnings release yesterday afternoon, and I would like to highlight that we've posted today's deck on the Investor Relations page of our website. The supplemental deck as well as a copy of the earnings release and the Form 10 Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2023 are available on this page. We will reference this information in our remarks today. Speaker 100:01:02We expect today's prepared comments from Ron Nixon, Executive Chairman are in the line with Zach Fleming, Chief Executive Officer and Mike McNeil, Chief Financial Officer, to last approximately 15 minutes to allow time for Q and A. Certain statements in this conference call, in our press release and in our supplemental deck include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. For more information about the risks and uncertainties Please see the risk factors set forth in our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks as supplemented by the risk factors in our most recent quarterly report on Form 10 Q. Now I would like to turn the call over to Ron Nixon. Speaker 200:01:57Thank you, Kellen, and good morning, everyone. In Q2 2023, Cinera generated $15,800,000 in net revenue, representing a 63% increase from the prior year period. Q2 of 2023 was another record quarter revenue record quarter for Cinera, but the company did have a slower growth rate, which Zach will discuss and outline the plan we're implementing to continue our increased year over year growth strategy. Our loss before income taxes narrowed from $3,400,000 to $1,900,000 year over year in Q2. We had a net loss of $1,900,000 compared to net income of $800,000 for the prior year period. Speaker 200:02:41The higher net income in 2022 was primarily due to a one time non cash income tax benefit realized in Q2 of 2022. Turning to our new product pipeline, we continue to prepare for the commercialization of BioSurg Advanced Surgical Solution. This product, which was developed by our R and D team at Rochelle Technologies is expected to commercially launch in mid Q4 of this year. In the Q1 of 2023, we entered into a sales agreement with Cantor Fitzgerald for an ATM offering of our common stock. Stock sales were paused at the end of Q1 and we have no immediate plans to reactivate the ATM offering. Speaker 200:03:21We could potentially utilize it if and when management and the Board are determined as appropriate. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we announced the acquisition of certain assets related to our collagen products business. The acquisition includes all rights and ownership for human wound care uses for 4 510 cleared collagen based wound care products, including AccelerateRx and HyCall. We believe this transaction was a significant strategic milestone for the company It was something the team has been working on for quite some time. Now, Zach Fleming will provide more details on the quarter. Speaker 300:03:59Thanks, Ron. Our surgical sales team continues to work to penetrate farther into our existing customer base, sell additional non Accelerate Rx products and expand into new geographic areas. During the trailing 12 months ended June 30, 2023, our products were sold in over 9.50 hospitals and ambulatory surgery centers across 33 states. And as of June 30, 2023, are contracted or approved to be sold in over 3,000 facilities. There was a significant jump in the number of facilities where our products are approved will be sold between Q1 and Q2. Speaker 300:04:37This increase was due to an agreement we signed with a major group purchasing organization or GPO. We believe that this is a significant opportunity for our team to get our products into new facilities and penetrating these new facilities will be a priority of ours over the next year. As Ron mentioned, we had a lower sales growth rate in Q2 compared to our historical rates of growth. Our sales growth was impacted by our slower pace of sales manager hiring in late 2022. While the reduced pace of hiring was part of an effort to budget expenses and ensure we were efficient in our hiring based on our analysis of the existing sales team and data regarding potential opportunities. Speaker 300:05:15We did have a slowdown effect on our sales in this period. As we have mentioned previously, the continued AlloCyte supply issues also negatively impacted our sales. At the outset of 2023, we increased our hiring pace and have recently hired and trained a new class of field sales representatives participants are in the process and plan to continue to hire through the end of the year. We have greatly improved our training program and vetting process for new hires, which we believe will serve us well as we continue to expand. Additionally, we are doing significant analysis on our territories, and field sales representatives and have developed metrics that will help us determine where new hires will be most impactful. Speaker 300:05:55In order to fix the AlloCyte supply constraints, we have identified and secured a secondary sourcing option and expect that source to come online in the near future. Speaker 200:06:03Are Speaker 300:06:05looking at our product sales mix, sales of soft tissue products were $13,200,000 and sales of bone fusion products were $2,500,000 in Q2. The sales growth of the non Celery products such as Fortify, Texogen and our bone fusion products is very encouraging. Our strategy to integrate Syndya into the national sales strategy is making progress and we intend to continue focusing on growing the sales of these products. As Ron mentioned, we expect to commercially launch BioSurg in mid Q4 of this year. We have scheduled manufacturing runs and the product is currently being tested by clinical partners to ensure a smooth launch and adoption with key facilities. Speaker 300:06:46I'd now like to provide a brief update on our value based post acute wound care strategy. Earlier this year, we hired Sam Mupala to lead this initiative. Sam is an experienced wound care executive in the post acute market and we are excited to have him on the team. With Sam's leadership, we have developed a detailed value based strategy have received initial validation from the market. This strategy will include our existing joint venture partner InfuSystem and we continue to develop will complement of products and services required to execute this strategy. Speaker 300:07:17Additionally, we have taken the technology assets and developed a platform plan to support the value based cure strategy, while exploring accelerators to add to the platform that will allow for a quicker entry into the market. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, as Ron discussed earlier, we completed the acquisition of certain assets related to our Collagen Products business. With this acquisition, we acquired 4 510 cleared collagen based wound care products, including CELR8RX and HyCall in 3 new collagen based products that are currently under development, Knighton patents and all of the sellers' patents pending for collagen products for human wound care uses in 5 trademarks. The acquisition gives us control of the manufacturing process for CelirateRx and HyCall, which is expected to reduce costs. Additionally, we now have full rights to develop new collagen products for human wound care uses based on this acquired technology. Speaker 300:08:13Looking at the financial impact, the transaction eliminates the royalty we paid on CelleRx and HiCall to the sellers. Total consideration for the acquisition was $15,250,000 consisting of $9,750,000 in cash paid at closing. Shares of the company's common stock with an agreed upon value of $3,000,000 and 4 equal annual installments of $625,000 in cash. The sellers are also entitled to receive up to $10,000,000 in potential earn out payments as well as certain royalties and incentive payments on future products that are developed. The cash at closing was funded through a loan provided by Cadence Bank. Speaker 300:08:53Now I will turn it over to Mike to discuss our financial results. Speaker 400:08:58Thank you, Zach. For the quarter ended June 30, 2023, we generated net revenues of $15,800,000 compared to net revenues of $9,700,000 for the same period in 2022, a 63% increase over the prior year period. For the 6 months ended June 30, 2023, we generated net revenues of are $31,300,000 compared to net revenues of $17,500,000 for the same period in 2022, a 79% increase over the prior year period. Net revenues for the 3 6 months ended June 30 included $3,000,000 $6,200,000 respectively of Senvia revenues. The higher net revenues in 2023 were primarily due to increased sales of soft tissue repair products and to a lesser extent bone fusion products As a result of our increased market penetration, geographic expansion, additional revenues as a result of the Sandia acquisition and our continuing strategy to expand our independent distribution network in both new and existing U. Speaker 400:09:55S. Markets. SG and A expenses for the quarter ended June 30 were $13,800,000 compared to SG and A expenses of $10,400,000 for the same period in 2022. SG and A expenses for the 6 months ended June 30 were $26,800,000 compared to SG and A expenses of $19,800,000 for the same period in 2022. Our SG and A expenses for the 3 6 months ended June 30 included $800,000 2,000,000 costs were, respectively, related to the Sandia operations. Speaker 400:10:28The higher SG and A expenses in 2023 were primarily due to higher direct sales and marketing expenses, which accounted for approximately $2,300,000 $5,800,000 respectively, were 69% 83% respectively of the increases compared to prior year. The higher direct sales and marketing expenses for the 3 6 months ended June 30 were primarily attributable to an increase and sales commissions of $2,300,000 $5,200,000 respectively as a result of higher product sales. The 6 months ended June 30, 2023 also included $600,000 of increased costs as a result of sales force expansion and operational support. Are in the Q2 of 2019. Speaker 300:11:07R and D expenses for Speaker 400:11:07the Q2 were $1,200,000 compared to $1,100,000 for the Q2 of 2022. Year to date R and D expenses were $2,500,000 compared to $1,300,000 for the 6 months ended June 30, 2022. The higher R and D expenses in 2020 were primarily due to costs related to the Precision Healing, Diagnostic, Imager and LFA for assessing patient wound and skin conditions. These expenses also included costs associated with ongoing development projects for our currently licensed products. We had a loss before income tax of $1,900,000 for the 2nd quarter compared to a loss before income tax of $3,400,000 for the Q2 in 2022. Speaker 400:11:47For the 6 months ended June 30, we had a loss before income tax of $3,100,000 compared to a loss before income tax of $6,500,000 for the same period in 2022. The lower loss before income tax in 2023 was due to operating expenses increasing at a slower rate than sales in addition to the benefit recorded as a result of change in fair value of current liabilities. For the Q2, we had a net loss of $1,900,000 compared to net income of $800,000 for the Q2 of 2022. For the 6 months ended June 30, we had a net loss of $3,100,000 compared to a net loss of $2,400,000 for the same period in 2022. As Ron mentioned, the higher net income in 2022 was primarily due to a one time non cash income tax benefit realized by the company in Q2 2022. Speaker 400:12:35Our cash on hand at the end of the quarter was $6,100,000 With that, I'll turn it back to Ron for closing remarks. Speaker 200:12:43Thanks, Mike. As we've discussed, we had another revenue Another record revenue quarter in Q2 2023. We did experience a lower sales growth rate and have begun hiring additional field sales managers to penetrate the new approvals across the country, while finding a solution for our AlloCyte stock out, which Zach mentioned earlier. We still see significant growth opportunities for our core business as well as for our new BioSurg product line. We would also add that we are constantly looking at various metrics to determine the field sales managers performance, territory performance, individual account performance. Speaker 200:13:27These are and will continue to be key metrics for us as we expand our sales force and grow our business. Additionally, As has been our practice in the past, we're looking to hire the very best candidates for our regional sales manager and territory manager positions with proven experience in medtech. Once again, we will provide them with high level I mean, once hired, we'll provide them with high level In closing, I'd like to again emphasize that the acquisition of assets related to our collagen products business was a strategic win for the company. We believe it will lead to cost savings and aid our ability to develop new impactful products for the future. That concludes our remarks and we look forward to answering any questions you may have, operator, we're ready to open the call for questions. Speaker 200:14:24Thank you. Operator00:14:25Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting the question and answer Your first question is coming from Ross Osborne with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please post your question. Your line is live. Speaker 500:14:58Hey, good morning, everyone. Congrats on the progress. So starting off with Cendia, you posted another quarter around $3,000,000 of sales. Should we think about this segment as a pretty steady business? Or should we expect growth to inflect higher? Speaker 500:15:11And if so, what is the commercialization plan there? Speaker 200:15:16Zach? Speaker 300:15:17Yes. We continue to get adoption of those products and we think it is steady for sure. However, we do see where each doctor is quite valuable, so we keep adding additional surgeons to the uses. As you remember, the AlloCyte Quarter is back ordered right now and that's going to be a big upside for us going forward. Speaker 500:15:35How sales per facility has trended year to date, are looking at the same time, driving further penetration within existing accounts in addition to adding new accounts. Speaker 300:15:45Can you repeat the first part of that kind of jumbled up? Sorry. Speaker 500:15:48Yes, apologies. Just curious on how sales per facility has trended year to date and quarter to date? And how should we think about that going forward? Speaker 300:15:58Yes, it's very steady. If you look across the nation, we are not losing, we're growing in each of the different facilities on average. And that's because of what we just said, we're adding additional products in, but also additional specialties. So the Sort of same store sales, if you will, the amount we sell in each facility has grown and will continue to grow as we continue to do that. One of the other things that has been a real Yes, boomed our business and we expect to see additional growth from is what I mentioned in the call and that's the addition of the additional about have 1200 since last quarter facilities, I think we had 1800 approved, now we have 3,000 approved. Speaker 300:16:37And so that's our task is to get additional people in more facilities. And then those people that are already in facilities, we want to go deeper, wider, and find out find additional product uses in each every case. Speaker 500:16:51Got it. Thank you. And then last one for us and apologies if this has been addressed by juggling a couple of calls. Is there any update on NTU or Precision? Speaker 300:17:01Yes. So we've been in great community. I'll do InfuSystem first. We're working closely with them. They are working to set up their billing capabilities in the DME market. Speaker 300:17:10They are selling negative pressure today, which is helping us as kind of leading the way for our products to follow. Their sales team is getting organized and I think they're in a really good spot. We talk to them very regularly and feel like that's moving forward well. Just a typical infrastructure build to be able to make sure that that business goes off without a hitch. And then if I jump over to Precision, are in the range of $1,000,000 Our IMAGER, as you know, was submitted for to the FDA. Speaker 300:17:35We're in current discussions with those for a resubmit. We expect to resubmit that within the next 2 months and then expect well, I'm sorry, by November, excuse me. And then by end of year, we should have a decision from the FDA participants are on the Imager. And then the LFA, that also we're in communication. LFA is a lateral flow assay. Speaker 300:17:56We're in communication with the FDA. That's moving forward and we're continuing to learn the requirements around that approval. Speaker 500:18:05Got it. Thank you and congrats again on the results. Speaker 300:18:07Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:18:11Your next question is coming from Ian Cassel with Micro Craft Club. Please post your question. Your line is live. Speaker 300:18:17Participants are Speaker 600:18:17in the line with us. Thank you. Congrats on signing up a major group purchasing organization. I was wondering, Zach, if you can talk about what it takes to sign up a group of that size. It looks like it was 1,000 hospitals or more. Speaker 600:18:30What's it take to sign up a group like that? And maybe you can talk about how you attack that opportunity? Speaker 300:18:36Yes, I appreciate the question. So first off, it's kind of a groundswell. As you know, in the past, we've had to gain facility approval 1 by 1 and as we've grown and have gotten greater adoption, better research studies to support the use of the product and of course more experienced from doctors that count the product to other doctors. So you get the ground swell and then the demand through usage. There's a certain level of usage that needs to happen in member facilities. Speaker 300:19:02And then once those member facilities kind of boil that up into the are in the system and into the GPO, then there's a demand from the GPO to contract and they wanted to contract on a national basis. And So once that happens, then you got you have the GPO approval and it puts you in a kind of front of the line situation for each different facility. There may still be Some value analysis committee approvals, but those are typically formality with the level of research we have with us, so we can go present those value analysis committees. And then, then it's docker adoption facility by facility, and that's where we use our 1099 sales representative network to help us connect into those opportunities. And then from there, our regional sales managers and territory managers sort of flower that out within each facility. Speaker 300:19:47So, the initial doctor from the 1099, And our guys follow on and start to add in additional people that use the products that we've gotten approved. Speaker 600:19:56Okay. Thank you. And I see that BioSurg plan to launch mid Q4. Zach, can you talk about the market opportunity for BioSurg and how it's differentiated from any competitors in the marketplace. Speaker 300:20:10Sure. We're really excited about that product. That product is a new set of products that you probably recognize that's medicated washes that help to complement outcomes by reducing bacterial burden. Participants And so what they historically have done, doctors would typically use their own potential antimicrobial cocktail that they might make in the in house pharmacy. And in recent years, a few companies have come out that had these types of washes and we think that's a good market that has that will provide consistency and results. Speaker 300:20:43And our differentiation is that we are a leave in. In other words, they don't have to do a saline rinse post use of this product. And it is non cytotoxic to good cells, so you won't kill good tissue as you're trying to heal the wound. And then, of course, it complements the outcome by Just keeping that area from having biofilm. And biofilm, not to get into science y, but basically it's sort of like a force field that protects the bacterial colonies. Speaker 300:21:10And so this breaks down those that force field and lets the bacterial colonies be broken down and eradicated so that the wound can heal uneventfully. We think that that fits very well in a prophylactic sense into a surgery, but as well treating those wounds that may already have a significant Infection. So if they're going to do a revision on a hip or a knee, this could be used that way. It also could be used on a high risk patient prophylactic. Speaker 600:21:38So the market itself is kind of fully aware of the product category. Is that the right way to think about this? Speaker 300:21:43Yes. I think it's a burgeoning. I'd say it's a very similar situation as to what we started with, with CELERATE, where everybody knew there was a need in the demand and there has been some sort of Status quo, which was typically the doctor's cocktail. And we did have a couple of companies that have gone out and started to perform that market, but we're coming in at a very interesting time where I think we're going to have a very interesting value proposition Because of our pricing, because of our evidence and the Viacos, of course, is a sister product that has a lot of evidence as well. So that product should fit in really nicely and I think be a very tough competitor in that market space. Speaker 600:22:24Okay. Thank you. Maybe last question, I'll get back in the queue. When you look at the company, you have sort of two sides of the business, the surgical side and then the value based post acute wound care strategy. And obviously, a lot of the growth, a lot of the revenue or all of the growth and all of the revenue coming from the surgical side of the business and the acute wound care strategy is mainly the SG and A line in the company. Speaker 600:22:47And I'm Curious, Ron, in past conversations, at least the last earnings call, I know you were hoping to or your goal was to maybe get this thing monetized by the end of this year. I was wondering if you speak to that and kind of what the vision is here in the next 12 months for that. Speaker 200:23:02Yes. So Sam when Sam Lapala came on board, he has really brought a level of detail and understanding, not only on the post acute market in general. He led one of the largest wound companies in the post acute related to the skilled nursing facilities. And Sam also has extensive experience on the value based aside. And so we've really honed the strategy in to where we have a much Greater visibility as to what the component parts needed, how does the contract need to look and where should we be going to be able to get those contracts. Speaker 200:23:42And so we're moving forward on that. We've got a couple of things, the delays in the imager and the LFA, those are critical components to our value based strategy. So we really want to wait till we have Everything fully ready to go, which we believe should be by the very beginning of next year. That's our goal. Speaker 600:24:03Okay. Thank you. Operator00:24:08Participants will be conducting a question and answer session. Participants are ready to take questions. Questioners, you just mentioned that sales per facility are growing and that you're trying to go deeper and wider within each facility. But this quarter, we have seen about 1% to 2% sequential growth. Is it accurate to take that number as the rough result of these efforts? Operator00:25:00Or maybe it's more complicated than that? Thank you for any color on this. Speaker 300:25:06Yes. Sure. Yes, so growth isn't linear in any sales So as we do the attack that I talked about, which is to go deeper, wider and as well add additional products per case, There is additional competition and product loss occasionally. And I think that's a normal thing, when you're starting to grow and you start to gain Notoriety and your job well done in terms of our sales growth. I think there are a few competitors out in the market. Speaker 300:25:32We don't think that there's pose much risk because of our high level of evidence, great results and we seem to be out in front of all of these competitors. So But to the point, we didn't grow as fast as we would have liked. It also is just because we have to get these people up and trained. There's a little bit of an outage. So at the end of last year, we had our national sales directors, we only had 2 of those people and so their capacity to hire was just a little bit limited. Speaker 300:25:59We got those 2 additional people hired in the 1st part of this year to be able to hire and fill these territories that are have these growth opportunities where the new approvals are. And so now that they're in place, we've been on a hiring very good hiring pace. We did have increased our training, improved that and some of that involves us getting those people out into the field, doing field rides and observing what good looks like from are top representatives and then as well we vet the territories as I mentioned in the call. So those territories are highly super focused. So we've identified high potential territories based on number of operations, based on the number of surgeons and surgeries, As well as the population and potential market size, and then we look at our approvals that we have already gotten in that area, And then couple that with our distributors. Speaker 300:26:50So there's a bunch of things that we're looking at to really hone in on the top areas to deploy. And so we've done that and put people into place to be successful. So that'd be my answer to that question. Speaker 200:27:04Yes. And Zach, just to add to that. One of the things, this company is very data driven. We have we use a lot of metrics to look at our business. And as Zach was just mentioning about the analysis of the territories, the customers, the potential, this is not a strategy for us to throw bodies out there and hope that they do well. Speaker 200:27:25In the early days of Cinera, we put people out there and we started to see where are those potential areas that we need to go to, to have the highest impact. And so it was a little easier to understand that. Today though, Across the country having all these added facilities that we put on, we need to be very strategic because we want to have high efficiency This is not a revenue strategy long term for Cinera. This is a build a business strategy and Create income for our shareholders so that we can continue to grow this business. Operator00:28:06Okay. Your next question is a follow-up question from Ian Cassel with MicroClapClub. Please pose your question. Your line is live. Speaker 600:28:14Rodney, you sort of answered that question already, but I'll ask it again. The acquisition of the Collagen assets was pretty are impressive. I know what that brings to the company, but also the way you acquired it with the bank debt from Cadence. And I'm just obviously, you showed them that you're going to be a profitable company or prove to them you're going to be a profitable company in the near term. And I know the balance sheet is getting to about $6,000,000 in cash. Speaker 600:28:38I'm are curious how you juggle profitability versus growth when you look out to the future? Speaker 200:28:43Yes, that's a good question. Actually what we do is we constantly look at where we are from a cash perspective, but also how close are we getting to our earnings. And as time goes on, we're going to give you more and more visibility. What we ultimately hope to be able to do is give better give actual guidance. And once we know we've got predictability in that, we're going to be able to provide that. Speaker 200:29:07But as it relates to that, we watch everything very closely. We're obviously very Data driven. So we feel comfortable where we are today. And the ATM served its purpose. We proved out that it worked For us, for that short period of time, we don't have immediate plans for that, but it's a tool that we have out there. Speaker 200:29:29But we're not short on opportunities and we're not short on the potential to find partners that are interested in funding anything that we would do from an acquisitive standpoint, But we want to generate revenue and earnings inside the company and be able to use that cash flow for expansion as are well. So to very specifically answer your question, we feel very comfortable where we are today. We do a lot of forecasting of where we're going and we feel good about where we're going today. Speaker 600:30:07Maybe one last question while I have you on the line. Is there any international opportunity for any of the products that you have? Speaker 200:30:14We believe there's a very large opportunity internationally. What we don't want to do is, actually, what we don't want to do is, we want to really penetrate the market in the U. S. In a significant way. We already have, I mean, if you look at just what we've done over the last 3 years, it's interesting to me. Speaker 200:30:33I have been in a lot of growth businesses. And typically when you see 60 plus percent growth year over year on a trailing 12 month basis or even on a quarterly basis, that's a really high growth rate. And what happens with that? You end up needing to be able to build infrastructure to support what you're doing and building an infrastructure to go support an international business is completely different than building an infrastructure for the domestic business. So we're going to continue to build our business domestically, We're always looking out at the international market and we know that there is going to be a really Large market for the products that we have and we will go pursue that at the appropriate time. Speaker 600:31:23Thank you. Operator00:31:26There are no additional questions in queue at this time and we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would now turn the call back over to Ron Speaker 200:31:37Thank you and appreciate everyone for listening in on the call today. Participants We feel very good about where we're going. We've got a lot to report in the future as well. And I want to thank everybody for joining us today. Operator00:31:54Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallSanara MedTech Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xRemove Ads Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Sanara MedTech Earnings HeadlinesSanara MedTech to Present at the Planet MicroCap Showcase: VEGAS 2025 on April 23, 2025April 10, 2025 | globenewswire.comWhere Sanara MedTech Stands With AnalystsMarch 28, 2025 | benzinga.comAltucher: Turn $900 into $108,000 in just 12 months?We are entering the final Trump Bump of our lives. 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Email Address About Sanara MedTechSanara MedTech (NASDAQ:SMTI), a medical technology company, develops, markets, and distributes surgical, wound, and skincare products and services to physicians, hospitals, clinics, and post-acute care settings in the United States. The company offers CellerateRX Surgical, a medical hydrolysate of Type I bovine collagen indicated for the management of surgical, traumatic, and partial- and full-thickness wounds, as well as first- and second-degree burns; and HYCOL, a medical hydrolysate of Type I bovine collagen intended for the management of full and partial thickness wounds, including pressure ulcers, venous and arterial leg ulcers, and diabetic foot ulcers. It also provides BIAKOS Antimicrobial Skin and Wound Cleanser, a patented product that contains synergistic ingredients that have been shown to impact mature biofilm microbes; BIAKOS Antimicrobial Wound Gel, an antimicrobial hydrogel wound dressing that helps against planktonic microbes, as well as immature and mature biofilms; and BIAKOS Antimicrobial Skin and Wound Irrigation Solution. In addition, it develops BIASURGE, a no-rinse surgical solution used for wound irrigation; FORTIFY TRG, a freeze-dried, multi-layer small intestinal submucosa extracellular matrix sheet; FORTIFY FLOWABLE extracellular matrix, an advanced wound care device; TEXAGEN, a multi-layer amniotic membrane allograft used as an anatomical barrier with robust handling that can be sutured for securement; and VIM Amnion Matrix, a homologous wound covering product. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the SonaraMedTech Inc. 2nd Quarter 2023 Results and Business Update Conference Call. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Callan Nichols, Director of Investor Relations. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to Ceram MedTech's earnings conference call for the quarter ended June 30, 2023. We issued our earnings release yesterday afternoon, and I would like to highlight that we've posted today's deck on the Investor Relations page of our website. The supplemental deck as well as a copy of the earnings release and the Form 10 Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2023 are available on this page. We will reference this information in our remarks today. Speaker 100:01:02We expect today's prepared comments from Ron Nixon, Executive Chairman are in the line with Zach Fleming, Chief Executive Officer and Mike McNeil, Chief Financial Officer, to last approximately 15 minutes to allow time for Q and A. Certain statements in this conference call, in our press release and in our supplemental deck include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. For more information about the risks and uncertainties Please see the risk factors set forth in our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks as supplemented by the risk factors in our most recent quarterly report on Form 10 Q. Now I would like to turn the call over to Ron Nixon. Speaker 200:01:57Thank you, Kellen, and good morning, everyone. In Q2 2023, Cinera generated $15,800,000 in net revenue, representing a 63% increase from the prior year period. Q2 of 2023 was another record quarter revenue record quarter for Cinera, but the company did have a slower growth rate, which Zach will discuss and outline the plan we're implementing to continue our increased year over year growth strategy. Our loss before income taxes narrowed from $3,400,000 to $1,900,000 year over year in Q2. We had a net loss of $1,900,000 compared to net income of $800,000 for the prior year period. Speaker 200:02:41The higher net income in 2022 was primarily due to a one time non cash income tax benefit realized in Q2 of 2022. Turning to our new product pipeline, we continue to prepare for the commercialization of BioSurg Advanced Surgical Solution. This product, which was developed by our R and D team at Rochelle Technologies is expected to commercially launch in mid Q4 of this year. In the Q1 of 2023, we entered into a sales agreement with Cantor Fitzgerald for an ATM offering of our common stock. Stock sales were paused at the end of Q1 and we have no immediate plans to reactivate the ATM offering. Speaker 200:03:21We could potentially utilize it if and when management and the Board are determined as appropriate. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we announced the acquisition of certain assets related to our collagen products business. The acquisition includes all rights and ownership for human wound care uses for 4 510 cleared collagen based wound care products, including AccelerateRx and HyCall. We believe this transaction was a significant strategic milestone for the company It was something the team has been working on for quite some time. Now, Zach Fleming will provide more details on the quarter. Speaker 300:03:59Thanks, Ron. Our surgical sales team continues to work to penetrate farther into our existing customer base, sell additional non Accelerate Rx products and expand into new geographic areas. During the trailing 12 months ended June 30, 2023, our products were sold in over 9.50 hospitals and ambulatory surgery centers across 33 states. And as of June 30, 2023, are contracted or approved to be sold in over 3,000 facilities. There was a significant jump in the number of facilities where our products are approved will be sold between Q1 and Q2. Speaker 300:04:37This increase was due to an agreement we signed with a major group purchasing organization or GPO. We believe that this is a significant opportunity for our team to get our products into new facilities and penetrating these new facilities will be a priority of ours over the next year. As Ron mentioned, we had a lower sales growth rate in Q2 compared to our historical rates of growth. Our sales growth was impacted by our slower pace of sales manager hiring in late 2022. While the reduced pace of hiring was part of an effort to budget expenses and ensure we were efficient in our hiring based on our analysis of the existing sales team and data regarding potential opportunities. Speaker 300:05:15We did have a slowdown effect on our sales in this period. As we have mentioned previously, the continued AlloCyte supply issues also negatively impacted our sales. At the outset of 2023, we increased our hiring pace and have recently hired and trained a new class of field sales representatives participants are in the process and plan to continue to hire through the end of the year. We have greatly improved our training program and vetting process for new hires, which we believe will serve us well as we continue to expand. Additionally, we are doing significant analysis on our territories, and field sales representatives and have developed metrics that will help us determine where new hires will be most impactful. Speaker 300:05:55In order to fix the AlloCyte supply constraints, we have identified and secured a secondary sourcing option and expect that source to come online in the near future. Speaker 200:06:03Are Speaker 300:06:05looking at our product sales mix, sales of soft tissue products were $13,200,000 and sales of bone fusion products were $2,500,000 in Q2. The sales growth of the non Celery products such as Fortify, Texogen and our bone fusion products is very encouraging. Our strategy to integrate Syndya into the national sales strategy is making progress and we intend to continue focusing on growing the sales of these products. As Ron mentioned, we expect to commercially launch BioSurg in mid Q4 of this year. We have scheduled manufacturing runs and the product is currently being tested by clinical partners to ensure a smooth launch and adoption with key facilities. Speaker 300:06:46I'd now like to provide a brief update on our value based post acute wound care strategy. Earlier this year, we hired Sam Mupala to lead this initiative. Sam is an experienced wound care executive in the post acute market and we are excited to have him on the team. With Sam's leadership, we have developed a detailed value based strategy have received initial validation from the market. This strategy will include our existing joint venture partner InfuSystem and we continue to develop will complement of products and services required to execute this strategy. Speaker 300:07:17Additionally, we have taken the technology assets and developed a platform plan to support the value based cure strategy, while exploring accelerators to add to the platform that will allow for a quicker entry into the market. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, as Ron discussed earlier, we completed the acquisition of certain assets related to our Collagen Products business. With this acquisition, we acquired 4 510 cleared collagen based wound care products, including CELR8RX and HyCall in 3 new collagen based products that are currently under development, Knighton patents and all of the sellers' patents pending for collagen products for human wound care uses in 5 trademarks. The acquisition gives us control of the manufacturing process for CelirateRx and HyCall, which is expected to reduce costs. Additionally, we now have full rights to develop new collagen products for human wound care uses based on this acquired technology. Speaker 300:08:13Looking at the financial impact, the transaction eliminates the royalty we paid on CelleRx and HiCall to the sellers. Total consideration for the acquisition was $15,250,000 consisting of $9,750,000 in cash paid at closing. Shares of the company's common stock with an agreed upon value of $3,000,000 and 4 equal annual installments of $625,000 in cash. The sellers are also entitled to receive up to $10,000,000 in potential earn out payments as well as certain royalties and incentive payments on future products that are developed. The cash at closing was funded through a loan provided by Cadence Bank. Speaker 300:08:53Now I will turn it over to Mike to discuss our financial results. Speaker 400:08:58Thank you, Zach. For the quarter ended June 30, 2023, we generated net revenues of $15,800,000 compared to net revenues of $9,700,000 for the same period in 2022, a 63% increase over the prior year period. For the 6 months ended June 30, 2023, we generated net revenues of are $31,300,000 compared to net revenues of $17,500,000 for the same period in 2022, a 79% increase over the prior year period. Net revenues for the 3 6 months ended June 30 included $3,000,000 $6,200,000 respectively of Senvia revenues. The higher net revenues in 2023 were primarily due to increased sales of soft tissue repair products and to a lesser extent bone fusion products As a result of our increased market penetration, geographic expansion, additional revenues as a result of the Sandia acquisition and our continuing strategy to expand our independent distribution network in both new and existing U. Speaker 400:09:55S. Markets. SG and A expenses for the quarter ended June 30 were $13,800,000 compared to SG and A expenses of $10,400,000 for the same period in 2022. SG and A expenses for the 6 months ended June 30 were $26,800,000 compared to SG and A expenses of $19,800,000 for the same period in 2022. Our SG and A expenses for the 3 6 months ended June 30 included $800,000 2,000,000 costs were, respectively, related to the Sandia operations. Speaker 400:10:28The higher SG and A expenses in 2023 were primarily due to higher direct sales and marketing expenses, which accounted for approximately $2,300,000 $5,800,000 respectively, were 69% 83% respectively of the increases compared to prior year. The higher direct sales and marketing expenses for the 3 6 months ended June 30 were primarily attributable to an increase and sales commissions of $2,300,000 $5,200,000 respectively as a result of higher product sales. The 6 months ended June 30, 2023 also included $600,000 of increased costs as a result of sales force expansion and operational support. Are in the Q2 of 2019. Speaker 300:11:07R and D expenses for Speaker 400:11:07the Q2 were $1,200,000 compared to $1,100,000 for the Q2 of 2022. Year to date R and D expenses were $2,500,000 compared to $1,300,000 for the 6 months ended June 30, 2022. The higher R and D expenses in 2020 were primarily due to costs related to the Precision Healing, Diagnostic, Imager and LFA for assessing patient wound and skin conditions. These expenses also included costs associated with ongoing development projects for our currently licensed products. We had a loss before income tax of $1,900,000 for the 2nd quarter compared to a loss before income tax of $3,400,000 for the Q2 in 2022. Speaker 400:11:47For the 6 months ended June 30, we had a loss before income tax of $3,100,000 compared to a loss before income tax of $6,500,000 for the same period in 2022. The lower loss before income tax in 2023 was due to operating expenses increasing at a slower rate than sales in addition to the benefit recorded as a result of change in fair value of current liabilities. For the Q2, we had a net loss of $1,900,000 compared to net income of $800,000 for the Q2 of 2022. For the 6 months ended June 30, we had a net loss of $3,100,000 compared to a net loss of $2,400,000 for the same period in 2022. As Ron mentioned, the higher net income in 2022 was primarily due to a one time non cash income tax benefit realized by the company in Q2 2022. Speaker 400:12:35Our cash on hand at the end of the quarter was $6,100,000 With that, I'll turn it back to Ron for closing remarks. Speaker 200:12:43Thanks, Mike. As we've discussed, we had another revenue Another record revenue quarter in Q2 2023. We did experience a lower sales growth rate and have begun hiring additional field sales managers to penetrate the new approvals across the country, while finding a solution for our AlloCyte stock out, which Zach mentioned earlier. We still see significant growth opportunities for our core business as well as for our new BioSurg product line. We would also add that we are constantly looking at various metrics to determine the field sales managers performance, territory performance, individual account performance. Speaker 200:13:27These are and will continue to be key metrics for us as we expand our sales force and grow our business. Additionally, As has been our practice in the past, we're looking to hire the very best candidates for our regional sales manager and territory manager positions with proven experience in medtech. Once again, we will provide them with high level I mean, once hired, we'll provide them with high level In closing, I'd like to again emphasize that the acquisition of assets related to our collagen products business was a strategic win for the company. We believe it will lead to cost savings and aid our ability to develop new impactful products for the future. That concludes our remarks and we look forward to answering any questions you may have, operator, we're ready to open the call for questions. Speaker 200:14:24Thank you. Operator00:14:25Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting the question and answer Your first question is coming from Ross Osborne with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please post your question. Your line is live. Speaker 500:14:58Hey, good morning, everyone. Congrats on the progress. So starting off with Cendia, you posted another quarter around $3,000,000 of sales. Should we think about this segment as a pretty steady business? Or should we expect growth to inflect higher? Speaker 500:15:11And if so, what is the commercialization plan there? Speaker 200:15:16Zach? Speaker 300:15:17Yes. We continue to get adoption of those products and we think it is steady for sure. However, we do see where each doctor is quite valuable, so we keep adding additional surgeons to the uses. As you remember, the AlloCyte Quarter is back ordered right now and that's going to be a big upside for us going forward. Speaker 500:15:35How sales per facility has trended year to date, are looking at the same time, driving further penetration within existing accounts in addition to adding new accounts. Speaker 300:15:45Can you repeat the first part of that kind of jumbled up? Sorry. Speaker 500:15:48Yes, apologies. Just curious on how sales per facility has trended year to date and quarter to date? And how should we think about that going forward? Speaker 300:15:58Yes, it's very steady. If you look across the nation, we are not losing, we're growing in each of the different facilities on average. And that's because of what we just said, we're adding additional products in, but also additional specialties. So the Sort of same store sales, if you will, the amount we sell in each facility has grown and will continue to grow as we continue to do that. One of the other things that has been a real Yes, boomed our business and we expect to see additional growth from is what I mentioned in the call and that's the addition of the additional about have 1200 since last quarter facilities, I think we had 1800 approved, now we have 3,000 approved. Speaker 300:16:37And so that's our task is to get additional people in more facilities. And then those people that are already in facilities, we want to go deeper, wider, and find out find additional product uses in each every case. Speaker 500:16:51Got it. Thank you. And then last one for us and apologies if this has been addressed by juggling a couple of calls. Is there any update on NTU or Precision? Speaker 300:17:01Yes. So we've been in great community. I'll do InfuSystem first. We're working closely with them. They are working to set up their billing capabilities in the DME market. Speaker 300:17:10They are selling negative pressure today, which is helping us as kind of leading the way for our products to follow. Their sales team is getting organized and I think they're in a really good spot. We talk to them very regularly and feel like that's moving forward well. Just a typical infrastructure build to be able to make sure that that business goes off without a hitch. And then if I jump over to Precision, are in the range of $1,000,000 Our IMAGER, as you know, was submitted for to the FDA. Speaker 300:17:35We're in current discussions with those for a resubmit. We expect to resubmit that within the next 2 months and then expect well, I'm sorry, by November, excuse me. And then by end of year, we should have a decision from the FDA participants are on the Imager. And then the LFA, that also we're in communication. LFA is a lateral flow assay. Speaker 300:17:56We're in communication with the FDA. That's moving forward and we're continuing to learn the requirements around that approval. Speaker 500:18:05Got it. Thank you and congrats again on the results. Speaker 300:18:07Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:18:11Your next question is coming from Ian Cassel with Micro Craft Club. Please post your question. Your line is live. Speaker 300:18:17Participants are Speaker 600:18:17in the line with us. Thank you. Congrats on signing up a major group purchasing organization. I was wondering, Zach, if you can talk about what it takes to sign up a group of that size. It looks like it was 1,000 hospitals or more. Speaker 600:18:30What's it take to sign up a group like that? And maybe you can talk about how you attack that opportunity? Speaker 300:18:36Yes, I appreciate the question. So first off, it's kind of a groundswell. As you know, in the past, we've had to gain facility approval 1 by 1 and as we've grown and have gotten greater adoption, better research studies to support the use of the product and of course more experienced from doctors that count the product to other doctors. So you get the ground swell and then the demand through usage. There's a certain level of usage that needs to happen in member facilities. Speaker 300:19:02And then once those member facilities kind of boil that up into the are in the system and into the GPO, then there's a demand from the GPO to contract and they wanted to contract on a national basis. And So once that happens, then you got you have the GPO approval and it puts you in a kind of front of the line situation for each different facility. There may still be Some value analysis committee approvals, but those are typically formality with the level of research we have with us, so we can go present those value analysis committees. And then, then it's docker adoption facility by facility, and that's where we use our 1099 sales representative network to help us connect into those opportunities. And then from there, our regional sales managers and territory managers sort of flower that out within each facility. Speaker 300:19:47So, the initial doctor from the 1099, And our guys follow on and start to add in additional people that use the products that we've gotten approved. Speaker 600:19:56Okay. Thank you. And I see that BioSurg plan to launch mid Q4. Zach, can you talk about the market opportunity for BioSurg and how it's differentiated from any competitors in the marketplace. Speaker 300:20:10Sure. We're really excited about that product. That product is a new set of products that you probably recognize that's medicated washes that help to complement outcomes by reducing bacterial burden. Participants And so what they historically have done, doctors would typically use their own potential antimicrobial cocktail that they might make in the in house pharmacy. And in recent years, a few companies have come out that had these types of washes and we think that's a good market that has that will provide consistency and results. Speaker 300:20:43And our differentiation is that we are a leave in. In other words, they don't have to do a saline rinse post use of this product. And it is non cytotoxic to good cells, so you won't kill good tissue as you're trying to heal the wound. And then, of course, it complements the outcome by Just keeping that area from having biofilm. And biofilm, not to get into science y, but basically it's sort of like a force field that protects the bacterial colonies. Speaker 300:21:10And so this breaks down those that force field and lets the bacterial colonies be broken down and eradicated so that the wound can heal uneventfully. We think that that fits very well in a prophylactic sense into a surgery, but as well treating those wounds that may already have a significant Infection. So if they're going to do a revision on a hip or a knee, this could be used that way. It also could be used on a high risk patient prophylactic. Speaker 600:21:38So the market itself is kind of fully aware of the product category. Is that the right way to think about this? Speaker 300:21:43Yes. I think it's a burgeoning. I'd say it's a very similar situation as to what we started with, with CELERATE, where everybody knew there was a need in the demand and there has been some sort of Status quo, which was typically the doctor's cocktail. And we did have a couple of companies that have gone out and started to perform that market, but we're coming in at a very interesting time where I think we're going to have a very interesting value proposition Because of our pricing, because of our evidence and the Viacos, of course, is a sister product that has a lot of evidence as well. So that product should fit in really nicely and I think be a very tough competitor in that market space. Speaker 600:22:24Okay. Thank you. Maybe last question, I'll get back in the queue. When you look at the company, you have sort of two sides of the business, the surgical side and then the value based post acute wound care strategy. And obviously, a lot of the growth, a lot of the revenue or all of the growth and all of the revenue coming from the surgical side of the business and the acute wound care strategy is mainly the SG and A line in the company. Speaker 600:22:47And I'm Curious, Ron, in past conversations, at least the last earnings call, I know you were hoping to or your goal was to maybe get this thing monetized by the end of this year. I was wondering if you speak to that and kind of what the vision is here in the next 12 months for that. Speaker 200:23:02Yes. So Sam when Sam Lapala came on board, he has really brought a level of detail and understanding, not only on the post acute market in general. He led one of the largest wound companies in the post acute related to the skilled nursing facilities. And Sam also has extensive experience on the value based aside. And so we've really honed the strategy in to where we have a much Greater visibility as to what the component parts needed, how does the contract need to look and where should we be going to be able to get those contracts. Speaker 200:23:42And so we're moving forward on that. We've got a couple of things, the delays in the imager and the LFA, those are critical components to our value based strategy. So we really want to wait till we have Everything fully ready to go, which we believe should be by the very beginning of next year. That's our goal. Speaker 600:24:03Okay. Thank you. Operator00:24:08Participants will be conducting a question and answer session. Participants are ready to take questions. Questioners, you just mentioned that sales per facility are growing and that you're trying to go deeper and wider within each facility. But this quarter, we have seen about 1% to 2% sequential growth. Is it accurate to take that number as the rough result of these efforts? Operator00:25:00Or maybe it's more complicated than that? Thank you for any color on this. Speaker 300:25:06Yes. Sure. Yes, so growth isn't linear in any sales So as we do the attack that I talked about, which is to go deeper, wider and as well add additional products per case, There is additional competition and product loss occasionally. And I think that's a normal thing, when you're starting to grow and you start to gain Notoriety and your job well done in terms of our sales growth. I think there are a few competitors out in the market. Speaker 300:25:32We don't think that there's pose much risk because of our high level of evidence, great results and we seem to be out in front of all of these competitors. So But to the point, we didn't grow as fast as we would have liked. It also is just because we have to get these people up and trained. There's a little bit of an outage. So at the end of last year, we had our national sales directors, we only had 2 of those people and so their capacity to hire was just a little bit limited. Speaker 300:25:59We got those 2 additional people hired in the 1st part of this year to be able to hire and fill these territories that are have these growth opportunities where the new approvals are. And so now that they're in place, we've been on a hiring very good hiring pace. We did have increased our training, improved that and some of that involves us getting those people out into the field, doing field rides and observing what good looks like from are top representatives and then as well we vet the territories as I mentioned in the call. So those territories are highly super focused. So we've identified high potential territories based on number of operations, based on the number of surgeons and surgeries, As well as the population and potential market size, and then we look at our approvals that we have already gotten in that area, And then couple that with our distributors. Speaker 300:26:50So there's a bunch of things that we're looking at to really hone in on the top areas to deploy. And so we've done that and put people into place to be successful. So that'd be my answer to that question. Speaker 200:27:04Yes. And Zach, just to add to that. One of the things, this company is very data driven. We have we use a lot of metrics to look at our business. And as Zach was just mentioning about the analysis of the territories, the customers, the potential, this is not a strategy for us to throw bodies out there and hope that they do well. Speaker 200:27:25In the early days of Cinera, we put people out there and we started to see where are those potential areas that we need to go to, to have the highest impact. And so it was a little easier to understand that. Today though, Across the country having all these added facilities that we put on, we need to be very strategic because we want to have high efficiency This is not a revenue strategy long term for Cinera. This is a build a business strategy and Create income for our shareholders so that we can continue to grow this business. Operator00:28:06Okay. Your next question is a follow-up question from Ian Cassel with MicroClapClub. Please pose your question. Your line is live. Speaker 600:28:14Rodney, you sort of answered that question already, but I'll ask it again. The acquisition of the Collagen assets was pretty are impressive. I know what that brings to the company, but also the way you acquired it with the bank debt from Cadence. And I'm just obviously, you showed them that you're going to be a profitable company or prove to them you're going to be a profitable company in the near term. And I know the balance sheet is getting to about $6,000,000 in cash. Speaker 600:28:38I'm are curious how you juggle profitability versus growth when you look out to the future? Speaker 200:28:43Yes, that's a good question. Actually what we do is we constantly look at where we are from a cash perspective, but also how close are we getting to our earnings. And as time goes on, we're going to give you more and more visibility. What we ultimately hope to be able to do is give better give actual guidance. And once we know we've got predictability in that, we're going to be able to provide that. Speaker 200:29:07But as it relates to that, we watch everything very closely. We're obviously very Data driven. So we feel comfortable where we are today. And the ATM served its purpose. We proved out that it worked For us, for that short period of time, we don't have immediate plans for that, but it's a tool that we have out there. Speaker 200:29:29But we're not short on opportunities and we're not short on the potential to find partners that are interested in funding anything that we would do from an acquisitive standpoint, But we want to generate revenue and earnings inside the company and be able to use that cash flow for expansion as are well. So to very specifically answer your question, we feel very comfortable where we are today. We do a lot of forecasting of where we're going and we feel good about where we're going today. Speaker 600:30:07Maybe one last question while I have you on the line. Is there any international opportunity for any of the products that you have? Speaker 200:30:14We believe there's a very large opportunity internationally. What we don't want to do is, actually, what we don't want to do is, we want to really penetrate the market in the U. S. In a significant way. We already have, I mean, if you look at just what we've done over the last 3 years, it's interesting to me. Speaker 200:30:33I have been in a lot of growth businesses. And typically when you see 60 plus percent growth year over year on a trailing 12 month basis or even on a quarterly basis, that's a really high growth rate. And what happens with that? You end up needing to be able to build infrastructure to support what you're doing and building an infrastructure to go support an international business is completely different than building an infrastructure for the domestic business. So we're going to continue to build our business domestically, We're always looking out at the international market and we know that there is going to be a really Large market for the products that we have and we will go pursue that at the appropriate time. Speaker 600:31:23Thank you. Operator00:31:26There are no additional questions in queue at this time and we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would now turn the call back over to Ron Speaker 200:31:37Thank you and appreciate everyone for listening in on the call today. Participants We feel very good about where we're going. We've got a lot to report in the future as well. And I want to thank everybody for joining us today. Operator00:31:54Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by