NASDAQ:DMRC Digimarc Q2 2023 Earnings Report $13.24 +0.88 (+7.12%) As of 04/24/2025 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Digimarc EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.42Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ADigimarc Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$8.73 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ADigimarc Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/2/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, August 2, 2023Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsDigimarc's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Digimarc Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 2, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Digimarc Corporation Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Joel Meyer, Chief Legal Officer. Operator00:00:33Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you. Welcome to our Q2 conference call. Riley McCormack, our CEO and Charles Beck, Our CFO are with me on the call. On the call today, we will provide a business update and discuss Q2 2023 financial results. This will be followed by a question and answer forum. Speaker 100:00:53We have posted our prepared remarks in the Investor Relations section of our website and will archive this webcast there. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward looking statements that have risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our press release for more information on the specific risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially. Riley will now provide a business update. Speaker 200:01:17Thank you, Joel, and hello, everyone. Q2 was a strong quarter on many fronts, a testament to our maniacal focus on being easy to begin doing business with and excellent at guiding customers along their product digitization journey. Starting with the easy to begin doing business with portion of our mantra, I want to highlight a few wins on the direct side of our business. We added 2 large new customers in the pharmaceutical vertical and are hard at work expanding this flywheel to help this industry combat the massive and massively important issue of counterfeit products. We also closed deals with 2 separate divisions of a top 25 global CPG for a sandbox version of our platform involving factory automation and are working to pull together the ecosystem partners necessary to provide a quickly scalable and low touch solution to the 100, if not 1,000 of other companies that would benefit from the same. Speaker 200:02:12Based not just on these two initial wins, Nor just on our internal research, but very importantly, also on our growing pipeline of opportunities as the word gets out, We are confident we have a truly differentiated and high value factory automation solution that we can't wait to provide to many others. On the channel side, we added 2 new VARs, including the large $32,000,000 plus contract we announced a few months ago. We have high expectations that both relationships will grow as we prove Digimarc eliminates value in allowing our borrowers to provide unique and differentiated solutions to their own customers. In addition, the public announcement of our large VAR deal has put us squarely on the security This further validates the unique position we enjoy in this space based not just on illuminate capabilities as the world's best product digitization hyperscaler, but also Digimarc's hard earned and well deserved reputation with this industry gained by over 2 decades of delivering value to the world's central banks. In addition to the opportunities opening to us in the security printing space, the day after we issued that press release, We received an invite to a full day planning session for a proposed deposit return system program in a major country. Speaker 200:03:37We are focused on expanding our opportunities in the DRS market As we believe our illuminate platform provides our VARs the ability to offer a DRS solution that is easier, more comprehensive and more cost effective in the status quo. As part of the excellent and guiding customers along their product digitization journey portion of our mantra, we signed multi year extensions with 6 customers in Q2, 5 of which resulted in the meaningful increase in annual recurring revenue, a testament to the power of our technology and our team. 4 of these renewals were direct customers and the other 2 were VARs. In addition to these contract renewals, We also had 2 customers whose contracts were structured under the legacy pay as you go model significantly ramp up their usage in Q2, including a top 5 global CPG that is also a key supplier to Walmart. All of the above helped contribute to Strong results in the 2 key financial metrics about which we have to obsess. Speaker 200:04:36While Charles will elaborate more in a moment, I want to highlight subscription revenue was up 44% year over year and 59% when adjusting for the end of life of piracy intelligence. In addition to strong subscription revenue growth, subscription gross margin expanded 400 basis points sequentially to a near best in class 84%, With further expansion ahead as we continue to remove costs from our platform and add high incremental margin subscription revenue. Before I turn the call over to Charles, I want to take this opportunity to answer a question I know is front of mind for many of our investors. Yes. Our technology does have a significant role to play as the world grapples with both the opportunities and the dangers of generative AI. Speaker 200:05:21And as we've been busy preparing our soon to launch offering, informed by all the learnings and knowledge that comes from being the pioneer and widely recognized vanguard of digital watermarking. It has been wonderful to see some of the world's largest companies and governments conclude the same. We also applaud the various governments and Gen AI Companies We're moving to act on this conclusion, including most recently the 7 leading AI companies who convened at the request of the White House and voluntarily committed to take specific steps. The world seems to be coalescing around the view that safety that safely and securely Unlocking the transformational power of Jet AI will require addressing its biggest dangers head on, a view we not only share, but one we are uniquely positioned and excited to help achieve. And no bigger problems need solving in the world of GenAI and how to ensure the authenticity of digital media and how to provide for the safety and fairness of the input to the models themselves. Speaker 200:06:21We believe there's an obvious need for a single robust, secure and easy to adopt solution that can accomplish both, while also adding additional value to stakeholders in the world of GenAI and beyond and are anxious to begin telling that story more broadly. But today, I want to focus more specifically on each of these 2 potentially show stopping problems in turn. Regarding the need to ensure the authenticity of digital media in a world where digital asset creation is easy, fast and cheap, While the current proposal of tagging AltGen AI created output is a solid first step, if for no other reason than it shows that the Gen AI companies are serious about taking action, It won't solve the problem of how to ensure the authenticity of digital media for the following four reasons. 1st, unless every Gen AI company applies digital watermarks to its output, which is an impossibility for many reasons, simply tagging the Gen AI created Content of some will do as little to prove authenticity as if it were done by none. Intuitively, no one would suggest the system we have built alongside the world The same logic applies here. Speaker 200:07:362nd, a solution that rests solely on digital watermarking Gen AI output assumes there are only nefarious or frivolous uses of GenAI, an assumption with which we along with many others disagree. An incredible amount of legitimate content is already being produced with the help of GenAI and the value creation potential of GenAI is still in its infancy. Similar to how the output of copy editors improve with the advent of spell check, the work of professional creatives will improve by incorporating GenAI. What truly matters is whether a digital asset was created by the Source One believes it was, not the method or tools used in its creation. 3rd, authentic content used in inauthentic context is often worse than just lacking certainty by the digital assets native authenticity, Because this scenario provides a false sense of comfort. Speaker 200:08:30Context about when and why authentic content was created and used matters and it matters a great deal. To wit, an authentic image of a medicine that appears at an inauthentic place, such as the website of an unauthorized or otherwise illegitimate reseller, Well, without doubt increase the odds that consumer mistakenly purchases a potentially dangerous item. Content and context are two sides of the same authenticity claim. And finally, many Gen AI engines rely on open source technology, which essentially gives anyone the keys to inspect, understand and potentially even edit lines of codes, including those lines involving security. There's a reason why network security companies don't build their business around open source technology and the same logic applies when it comes to a system tasked with ensuring the authenticity of digital assets. Speaker 200:09:20For these reasons, simply watermarking GenAI created output will not adequately ensure the authenticity of digital content. Moreover, there's another crucial issue that must be addressed. The world also needs safe and fair filtering of the content that trains these engines. Several groups have an immediate need for these safeguards. First are the companies and creatives who have spent an incredible amount of talent, Time, money and effort to create their digital assets. Speaker 200:09:48This is exactly why copyright law exists in countries around the world. Without an automated safe and fair input filter, these assets have simply become free input to the trading of GenAI engines without the copyright owners having a say. That isn't fair and in many cases it isn't legal. 2nd are the Gen AI companies themselves. They need a solution that allows them to comply with copyright law where they risk exponentially growing avalanche of lawsuits overwhelming their legal teams as well as their balance sheets. Speaker 200:10:20And the only alternative being considered, unilaterally restricting the input needed to train their engines will deprive the world of the productivity gains Their useful and powerful technology will bring. In addition, the Gen AI companies also face a second still in its infancy avalanche of existential risk, Namely model collapse, because without an automated way to filter the quality of input along multiple different vectors, The models will suffer ever decreasing quality of output until they asymptote to worthless. The universal law of GIGO, garbage in, garbage out applies in the world of Gen AI too. And finally, beyond these 2 game over risks, the current processes being applied to GenAI model training could be made much more efficient in multiple ways if a robust automated input filter that also allowed for identification were applied. And 3rd is a group much larger than the first two combined, a group comprised of 8,000,000,000 people. Speaker 200:11:17We're all stakeholders in stopping our memories, such as the pictures of our children from being used and monetized without our knowledge, let alone our permission. One of the statements coming out of the White House on this topic a few weeks ago was The highest standards must be upheld to ensure that GenAI Innovation doesn't come at the expense of Americans' rights and safety. Extend that statement to all country citizens and we wholeheartedly agree. A system that allows for an extensible and adaptable opt in and opt out filter benefits all And we are excited to soon offer the world a single system that will allow for that, instilling confidence in content authenticity and a whole lot more. In sum, some of the brightest minds in the world, spanning both the public and private sectors have instinctually understood that yes, our technology has a role to play and what will likely prove to be the most powerful technology advancement since the Internet itself. Speaker 200:12:12And importantly, they've shown a willingness to act to address the problems that must be addressed to unleash this power. We applaud them and are excited to build upon the foundation they have set. Due to our legacy, experience and unrivaled expertise in digital watermarking, we have a meaningful role to play in solving the problems at hand. Digimarc will deliver a solution that provides for authenticity, security, safety and protection of rights, a system that benefits all. As we finish up the work we have been doing ahead of the launch, we are thankful for the positive reception we are already receiving with some incredibly important stakeholders are excited to unveil more soon. Speaker 200:12:51I will now turn the call over to Charles to discuss our financial results. Speaker 300:12:55Thank you, Riley, and hello, everyone. Before I dive deeper into our Q2 financial results, there are some financial highlights that are important to emphasize. We closed $8,800,000 in 1st year commercial bookings, more than 300% year over year. We delivered 59% year over year subscription revenue growth from current products. We achieved 84% subscription gross profit margin and we significantly reduced our operating expenses and cash burn from last year. Speaker 300:13:24I highlight these areas as they are critical drivers as we work hard to get the business to profitability. Now on to the details. 1st year commercial bookings were $8,800,000 during the 2nd quarter, a 4x increase when compared to the $2,200,000 booked in Q2 last year. As Riley mentioned, one source of this growth was upsells to existing customers. These upsells are important to mention as we have some very large customers. Speaker 300:13:50And in most cases, we are in the earlier stages of account penetration, meaning we have a lot of runway to materially grow the revenue from these existing customers. These opportunities for revenue growth can come from adding new products and or expanding usage of existing products. Well, not unexpected, it was an encouraging sign to see these customers not only renew their contracts, but to do so at higher levels of commitment. It's also important to highlight that many of these deals contributing to bookings this quarter were multiyear commitments. Because we only report 1st year bookings, the true impact of a multiyear contract is not captured. Speaker 300:14:29To further this point, We signed a 3 year committed contract for instance, only the 1st year's annual fees would ever be reflected in our reported bookings number. Years 2 and 3 would never show up. The impact of that contract however is committed revenue for the next 3 years. I share this context because bookings would have been much higher this quarter if we included the total contract value for multiyear deals. Total revenue for the quarter was $8,700,000 an increase of $1,000,000 or 13% from $7,700,000 in Q2 last year. Speaker 300:15:02Excluding revenue from our end of life piracy intelligence product, revenue increased $1,300,000 or 17% year over year. As a reminder, Q2 last year was the last quarter of meaningful piracy intelligence revenue and so this optical headwind to year over year growth is now gone. Subscription revenue, which accounted for 54% of total revenue for the quarter, grew 44% from 3 $700,000 Our subscription revenue growth rate was 59% or $1,700,000 when excluding piracy intelligence. Again, this headwind goes away starting in Q3. Service revenue declined 10% from $4,500,000 $100,000 reflecting the impact of Holy Grail recycling project work in Q2 last year of $700,000 Excluding this non recurring project work, Service revenue increased $300,000 or 8%, reflecting the impact of a larger annual budget from the central banks for project work this year. Speaker 300:16:05We still expect our currency business to deliver double digit growth this year. Subscription gross profit margin improved from 73% in Q2 last year to 84% in Q2 this year. The large increase in margins year over year reflects 2 positive trends we foreshadowed on our Q4 earnings call that would start to occur this year and continue into next year and beyond. 1st, a more favorable mix of subscription revenue to our newer products, which carry higher gross profit margins on average than our legacy products. 2nd, our product infrastructure costs are declining even with increased usage by customers on our platform. Speaker 300:16:44We expect these trends to continue resulting in further expansion over time to our subscription gross profit margins. This is an important development to note given our focus as a company on growing subscription revenue. Service gross profit margin decreased from 1% in Q2 last year to 51% in Q2 this year. The decrease reflects the impact of project work we realized from Holy Grail recycling projects in Q2 last year and some higher costs in Q2 this year, which are not expected to repeat. We anticipate service gross profit to be in the mid-50s on average going forward with some fluctuation quarter to quarter depending on labor mix. Speaker 300:17:25Operating expenses for the quarter were $16,100,000 compared to $18,900,000 in Q2 last year. The large decrease in operating expenses reflects the impact of the reduction in force this past February along with other cost saving initiatives implemented in Q1 this year. Non GAAP operating expenses for the quarter were $12,900,000 compared to $15,000,000 in Q2 last year. Net loss per share for the quarter was $0.53 versus $0.75 in Q2 last year. Non GAAP net loss per share, which excludes non cash and non recurring items was $0.29 versus $0.47 in Q2 last year. Speaker 300:18:04We ended the quarter with $34,500,000 in cash and investments. We used $8,500,000 of cash and investments during the quarter compared to $14,700,000 in Q2 last year. Our cash usage for the quarter, while much lower than last year, reflected higher revenues and lower costs was negatively impacted by unfavorable timing of customer seats. It was also much higher than we anticipate our quarterly results going forward. For the second half of twenty twenty three, we expect our total cash usage for the 6 month period to be noticeably less than the amount of cash we used in the last 3 months alone. Speaker 300:18:43As we have stated before, we continue to be focused on building a sustainable business capable of extremely high cash flow generation. For further discussion of our financial results and risks and prospects for our business, Please see our Form 10 Q that will be filed with the SEC. I'll now turn the call back over to Riley for final remarks. Speaker 200:19:02Thanks, Charles. Q2 was a strong quarter. On both the direct and channel front, we were successful in not just being easy to begin doing business with, but also excellent at guiding customers along their product digitization journey. As promised at the end of last quarter's call and continues today, We are seeing momentum across all areas of our business and that strength is showing up in our income statement and the 2 key financial metrics by which we obsess. With 59% year over year subscription revenue growth from current products and the sequential addition of another 400 basis points of subscription gross margin to a near best in class 84%. Speaker 200:19:41But however strong Q2 was, what continues to excite us most is where we are going, Because as we are beginning to show the results of our transformation to unlock the unparalleled power of our world leading product digitization hyperscaler, We are also on the cusp of extending that opportunity more fully to the digital world, a domain in which the combination of our past and present will add to our delivery of a generational future. Brian, we'll now open the call for questions. Operator00:20:10Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:54Hi, good afternoon. This is actually Chris Grenga on for Jim. Thank you for taking the questions. You mentioned that you expect cash usage to be lower in the back half than in Q2. Could you frame for us some of the factors that you expect to drive that result and maybe speak to the weights of those factors in driving that result and your visibility there? Speaker 300:21:28Yes, it's a combination of timing of customer receipts. We have some large customer receipts coming on, but also growing revenues. As we talked about on the last call, the $32,000,000 contract has 3 projects to it and they start in different phases. As that continues to ramp, that will both drive revenue as well as additional cash. But some of it's also just related to the timing of cash payments, Including the large contract we have with Walmart that we signed last year. Speaker 200:21:55Yes. And Chris, we grew revenue 59 We grew subscription revenue 59% year over year in Q2. We expanded gross margins by 1100 basis points. That's incredibly strong tailwind For cash flow, for reduction in cash burn. Those 2 big trends, growing our top line and expanding the gross margin. Speaker 400:22:17Got it. Thank you very much. And could you elaborate a bit on The sandboxed version of the factory automation, what I guess what that entails for those customers and what they were doing before in the absence of a program like that And, yes, just elaborate on the nature of that product? Speaker 200:22:47Yes, I would love to. And Chris, if you wait about 5 weeks or so, there will be a lot more out publicly about this. This is really, really exciting stuff. I just don't want to front run Really strong joint comps plan that is being put together. But So on the specific use case and who the customer is, stay tuned. Speaker 200:23:13One of the important things and I referenced it's a sandbox version of our platform, right? So historically, we've gone to market with products And then we've gone to market with our full platform. And what we're finding is and we're exploring and we're constantly learning, we're constantly opening up new opportunities, we're constantly Learning new things. There's a market also for a sandbox version of our platform. So Illuminate for X, in this case Illuminate for factory automation. Speaker 200:23:41And so what the buyer is enables is they get some flexibility from buying the platform components itself, But not paying the cost or for a lot of components of the platform they don't need. So it's a really exciting go to market development. It seems to have real legs here. So without getting specifically into what this customer is doing and where they see the value and who the customer is, that will all be out Publicly in about 5 or 6 weeks. But more importantly, I think the idea here is we potentially could be opening up a third avenue to go to market. Speaker 200:24:17We got our products, We got our platform and then we have Illuminate for X, and X being in this case factory automation, but there was a couple of other Illuminate for Xs we're exploring as well. Speaker 400:24:29Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks. And one more, if I may. I appreciated all the color On the generative AI vision, do you anticipate targeting customers that are Existing customers that are moving into using generative AI more in their operations or Would you anticipate that this would be targeting a new set of customers for the business? Speaker 200:24:58Well, first of all, I would say, I don't know If not now, in 6 months, everybody is going to be using generative AI. So I don't know if there's a difference of customers who are not. I would say again here, We're going to be out in a very we have a very detailed comps plan and launch for our upcoming product that we will be talking about more. But if you listen to what we're saying, there's benefits to all, right? So watermarking digital assets to provide authenticity And at the same time, there's so much value in GenAI itself solving the two problems of Authenticity, digital assets as well as safe and fair input for the training models. Speaker 200:25:40But it's beyond solving those two problems in the Jet AI world and it's beyond even the Jet AI world. So Stay tuned for more on that, but a huge opportunity. And we're again one that we're uniquely positioned to provide Simply because of our background in digital watermarking, our relationships, our expertise, it's pretty exciting stuff. Speaker 400:26:05Great. Appreciate the color. Thanks very much. Thank you. Operator00:26:12Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Bernstein with Silverberg Bernstein Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:26:21Hi, guys. Just a couple of questions for you today. Just back on the factory automation side, is this related to this is going back Quite a while. I think you guys had done some work with Cognex with machine vision and you had very high read rates on machine vision. Is that Speaker 200:26:38what we're talking about here? Yes, absolutely. So there is without mentioning the vendors too, it's more than just 1 camera vendor that has market share and multiple. We talk about developing an ecosystem, right? There is multiple wonderful vendors out there. Speaker 200:26:55Cognex itself obviously is a wonderful vendor. As you mentioned, the historic partner Digimarc and they're wonderful. But there is a lot can be automated in a factory. There is a lot of providing identification and intelligence to items in that factory. So Yes, you're absolutely on the right track. Speaker 200:27:17You mentioned one of our wonderful partners Speaker 300:27:21and stay tuned. Speaker 500:27:22Got you. Okay. And then I just want to make sure I understood. When you talk about SandBox, that's not a cybersecurity term as in not connected to the cloud. Got you. Speaker 500:27:32Okay. Speaker 200:27:32Okay. Yes. And I know it's a lot easier to see a word than hear word, illuminate for X meaning illuminate For a bunch of different things, it's just a taking our whatever functionality, again, taking a step back, Our illuminate platform is what we build our own products upon, right? Speaker 500:27:56And Speaker 200:27:56so we're taking some of the capabilities of illuminate in our Currently, 4 products and say we want a little bit of this capability, a little bit of that capability, we're calling that a product. So sometimes customers want, especially out of ours, want our full platform. They want Every lever and bell and whistle and all the wonderful capabilities within Illuminate. And then sometimes people want Solve for a problem not using one of our predefined products, but using just some of our capabilities. And so that's what we're talking about. Speaker 200:28:22SandBox Expiration is illuminate for factory automation in this case or illuminate for there's a couple of other ones that potentially could be coming. Speaker 500:28:30Under understand. Okay, that's great. And then you mentioned a deposit return program. So is this a second one in addition to I think you talked about 1 on the prior quarter? Speaker 200:28:43Yes. So our wonderful VAR that we announced that we signed in Q2 and we announced a couple of months ago, As Charles just mentioned there, they're building 3 products currently on top of illuminate. One of them is to provide for the authenticity of a DRS system in a specific Country? Yes. What I referenced on the earnings call is as soon as that press release came out, I think it was literally the next day, We got an invitation to a meeting for a very large country who is working on their own DRS scheme And wants to wanted our insights in there to talk to us about the value we could add. Speaker 200:29:20Because we believe there's a huge opportunity here In terms of coverage, in terms of cost effectiveness, in terms of ease of implementation, There was a and it's important stuff. There was an article actually that somebody sent me about a week ago or week and a half ago about Somebody family making $6,000,000 or something by bringing cans from Arizona and getting the deposit back from California. This is a big problem. And there's ways to solve it. There's ways that existing DRS systems are using to solve it. Speaker 200:29:55We got a solution that can extend coverage and do it in a lot more cost effective way. But that and that's one we're going Speaker 300:30:02to go through our VAR. Speaker 200:30:05We have one bar that we announced this earlier in Q2 as part of the $32,000,000 deal and we're looking to expand that network and also to help that bar Be more successful in other countries. Speaker 500:30:17Got you. And then you mentioned adding one more VAR. Any color on kind of General area that VAR is in? Speaker 200:30:26Yes. They're using illuminate. So You mean what so not what use case are they going after, what end market they? They're a packaging and label company. Speaker 500:30:40Got you. Okay. All right. And lastly, there was a mention about the product infrastructure costs coming down as customers actually utilized your product more. And it sounds a little counterintuitive Speaker 300:31:08from a cost perspective and be able to scale out. So we're taking somewhat legacy technology and updating that to a newer platform, which is the Illuminate platform. So as we transition customers off of our legacy platform onto that, we expect that we'll continue to be able to drive the average price down. Speaker 500:31:26That's great. Thank you. Thanks for the help today. Speaker 200:31:30Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, John. Operator00:31:33Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robin Ned with Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:48Thanks for taking the call. I appreciate it, gentlemen, and congrats on a really good quarter. I suspect I know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it anyway. Riley, are you able to share with us the collective total of The different contracts that were multiyear deals that we were only reporting on the 1st year? Speaker 300:32:10Yes. We intentionally aren't trying to throw out other metrics there, but it's into the 7 figures. But I don't want to get into there was a reason why we went away from reporting both total and 1st because it was confusing, but it was sizable. Speaker 600:32:23Okay, very good. Thanks. Appreciate it. Nice quarter. Speaker 200:32:28Thanks, Robin. Thanks, Robin. Operator00:32:33Thank As there are no further questions, I would now hand the conference over to Riley McCormack for closing comments. Speaker 200:32:54Thanks, Ryan, and thanks, everyone. We hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Take care. Operator00:33:02Thank you. The conference of Digimarc Corporation has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Digimarc Corporation Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Joel Meyer, Chief Legal Officer. Operator00:00:33Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you. Welcome to our Q2 conference call. Riley McCormack, our CEO and Charles Beck, Our CFO are with me on the call. On the call today, we will provide a business update and discuss Q2 2023 financial results. This will be followed by a question and answer forum. Speaker 100:00:53We have posted our prepared remarks in the Investor Relations section of our website and will archive this webcast there. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward looking statements that have risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our press release for more information on the specific risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially. Riley will now provide a business update. Speaker 200:01:17Thank you, Joel, and hello, everyone. Q2 was a strong quarter on many fronts, a testament to our maniacal focus on being easy to begin doing business with and excellent at guiding customers along their product digitization journey. Starting with the easy to begin doing business with portion of our mantra, I want to highlight a few wins on the direct side of our business. We added 2 large new customers in the pharmaceutical vertical and are hard at work expanding this flywheel to help this industry combat the massive and massively important issue of counterfeit products. We also closed deals with 2 separate divisions of a top 25 global CPG for a sandbox version of our platform involving factory automation and are working to pull together the ecosystem partners necessary to provide a quickly scalable and low touch solution to the 100, if not 1,000 of other companies that would benefit from the same. Speaker 200:02:12Based not just on these two initial wins, Nor just on our internal research, but very importantly, also on our growing pipeline of opportunities as the word gets out, We are confident we have a truly differentiated and high value factory automation solution that we can't wait to provide to many others. On the channel side, we added 2 new VARs, including the large $32,000,000 plus contract we announced a few months ago. We have high expectations that both relationships will grow as we prove Digimarc eliminates value in allowing our borrowers to provide unique and differentiated solutions to their own customers. In addition, the public announcement of our large VAR deal has put us squarely on the security This further validates the unique position we enjoy in this space based not just on illuminate capabilities as the world's best product digitization hyperscaler, but also Digimarc's hard earned and well deserved reputation with this industry gained by over 2 decades of delivering value to the world's central banks. In addition to the opportunities opening to us in the security printing space, the day after we issued that press release, We received an invite to a full day planning session for a proposed deposit return system program in a major country. Speaker 200:03:37We are focused on expanding our opportunities in the DRS market As we believe our illuminate platform provides our VARs the ability to offer a DRS solution that is easier, more comprehensive and more cost effective in the status quo. As part of the excellent and guiding customers along their product digitization journey portion of our mantra, we signed multi year extensions with 6 customers in Q2, 5 of which resulted in the meaningful increase in annual recurring revenue, a testament to the power of our technology and our team. 4 of these renewals were direct customers and the other 2 were VARs. In addition to these contract renewals, We also had 2 customers whose contracts were structured under the legacy pay as you go model significantly ramp up their usage in Q2, including a top 5 global CPG that is also a key supplier to Walmart. All of the above helped contribute to Strong results in the 2 key financial metrics about which we have to obsess. Speaker 200:04:36While Charles will elaborate more in a moment, I want to highlight subscription revenue was up 44% year over year and 59% when adjusting for the end of life of piracy intelligence. In addition to strong subscription revenue growth, subscription gross margin expanded 400 basis points sequentially to a near best in class 84%, With further expansion ahead as we continue to remove costs from our platform and add high incremental margin subscription revenue. Before I turn the call over to Charles, I want to take this opportunity to answer a question I know is front of mind for many of our investors. Yes. Our technology does have a significant role to play as the world grapples with both the opportunities and the dangers of generative AI. Speaker 200:05:21And as we've been busy preparing our soon to launch offering, informed by all the learnings and knowledge that comes from being the pioneer and widely recognized vanguard of digital watermarking. It has been wonderful to see some of the world's largest companies and governments conclude the same. We also applaud the various governments and Gen AI Companies We're moving to act on this conclusion, including most recently the 7 leading AI companies who convened at the request of the White House and voluntarily committed to take specific steps. The world seems to be coalescing around the view that safety that safely and securely Unlocking the transformational power of Jet AI will require addressing its biggest dangers head on, a view we not only share, but one we are uniquely positioned and excited to help achieve. And no bigger problems need solving in the world of GenAI and how to ensure the authenticity of digital media and how to provide for the safety and fairness of the input to the models themselves. Speaker 200:06:21We believe there's an obvious need for a single robust, secure and easy to adopt solution that can accomplish both, while also adding additional value to stakeholders in the world of GenAI and beyond and are anxious to begin telling that story more broadly. But today, I want to focus more specifically on each of these 2 potentially show stopping problems in turn. Regarding the need to ensure the authenticity of digital media in a world where digital asset creation is easy, fast and cheap, While the current proposal of tagging AltGen AI created output is a solid first step, if for no other reason than it shows that the Gen AI companies are serious about taking action, It won't solve the problem of how to ensure the authenticity of digital media for the following four reasons. 1st, unless every Gen AI company applies digital watermarks to its output, which is an impossibility for many reasons, simply tagging the Gen AI created Content of some will do as little to prove authenticity as if it were done by none. Intuitively, no one would suggest the system we have built alongside the world The same logic applies here. Speaker 200:07:362nd, a solution that rests solely on digital watermarking Gen AI output assumes there are only nefarious or frivolous uses of GenAI, an assumption with which we along with many others disagree. An incredible amount of legitimate content is already being produced with the help of GenAI and the value creation potential of GenAI is still in its infancy. Similar to how the output of copy editors improve with the advent of spell check, the work of professional creatives will improve by incorporating GenAI. What truly matters is whether a digital asset was created by the Source One believes it was, not the method or tools used in its creation. 3rd, authentic content used in inauthentic context is often worse than just lacking certainty by the digital assets native authenticity, Because this scenario provides a false sense of comfort. Speaker 200:08:30Context about when and why authentic content was created and used matters and it matters a great deal. To wit, an authentic image of a medicine that appears at an inauthentic place, such as the website of an unauthorized or otherwise illegitimate reseller, Well, without doubt increase the odds that consumer mistakenly purchases a potentially dangerous item. Content and context are two sides of the same authenticity claim. And finally, many Gen AI engines rely on open source technology, which essentially gives anyone the keys to inspect, understand and potentially even edit lines of codes, including those lines involving security. There's a reason why network security companies don't build their business around open source technology and the same logic applies when it comes to a system tasked with ensuring the authenticity of digital assets. Speaker 200:09:20For these reasons, simply watermarking GenAI created output will not adequately ensure the authenticity of digital content. Moreover, there's another crucial issue that must be addressed. The world also needs safe and fair filtering of the content that trains these engines. Several groups have an immediate need for these safeguards. First are the companies and creatives who have spent an incredible amount of talent, Time, money and effort to create their digital assets. Speaker 200:09:48This is exactly why copyright law exists in countries around the world. Without an automated safe and fair input filter, these assets have simply become free input to the trading of GenAI engines without the copyright owners having a say. That isn't fair and in many cases it isn't legal. 2nd are the Gen AI companies themselves. They need a solution that allows them to comply with copyright law where they risk exponentially growing avalanche of lawsuits overwhelming their legal teams as well as their balance sheets. Speaker 200:10:20And the only alternative being considered, unilaterally restricting the input needed to train their engines will deprive the world of the productivity gains Their useful and powerful technology will bring. In addition, the Gen AI companies also face a second still in its infancy avalanche of existential risk, Namely model collapse, because without an automated way to filter the quality of input along multiple different vectors, The models will suffer ever decreasing quality of output until they asymptote to worthless. The universal law of GIGO, garbage in, garbage out applies in the world of Gen AI too. And finally, beyond these 2 game over risks, the current processes being applied to GenAI model training could be made much more efficient in multiple ways if a robust automated input filter that also allowed for identification were applied. And 3rd is a group much larger than the first two combined, a group comprised of 8,000,000,000 people. Speaker 200:11:17We're all stakeholders in stopping our memories, such as the pictures of our children from being used and monetized without our knowledge, let alone our permission. One of the statements coming out of the White House on this topic a few weeks ago was The highest standards must be upheld to ensure that GenAI Innovation doesn't come at the expense of Americans' rights and safety. Extend that statement to all country citizens and we wholeheartedly agree. A system that allows for an extensible and adaptable opt in and opt out filter benefits all And we are excited to soon offer the world a single system that will allow for that, instilling confidence in content authenticity and a whole lot more. In sum, some of the brightest minds in the world, spanning both the public and private sectors have instinctually understood that yes, our technology has a role to play and what will likely prove to be the most powerful technology advancement since the Internet itself. Speaker 200:12:12And importantly, they've shown a willingness to act to address the problems that must be addressed to unleash this power. We applaud them and are excited to build upon the foundation they have set. Due to our legacy, experience and unrivaled expertise in digital watermarking, we have a meaningful role to play in solving the problems at hand. Digimarc will deliver a solution that provides for authenticity, security, safety and protection of rights, a system that benefits all. As we finish up the work we have been doing ahead of the launch, we are thankful for the positive reception we are already receiving with some incredibly important stakeholders are excited to unveil more soon. Speaker 200:12:51I will now turn the call over to Charles to discuss our financial results. Speaker 300:12:55Thank you, Riley, and hello, everyone. Before I dive deeper into our Q2 financial results, there are some financial highlights that are important to emphasize. We closed $8,800,000 in 1st year commercial bookings, more than 300% year over year. We delivered 59% year over year subscription revenue growth from current products. We achieved 84% subscription gross profit margin and we significantly reduced our operating expenses and cash burn from last year. Speaker 300:13:24I highlight these areas as they are critical drivers as we work hard to get the business to profitability. Now on to the details. 1st year commercial bookings were $8,800,000 during the 2nd quarter, a 4x increase when compared to the $2,200,000 booked in Q2 last year. As Riley mentioned, one source of this growth was upsells to existing customers. These upsells are important to mention as we have some very large customers. Speaker 300:13:50And in most cases, we are in the earlier stages of account penetration, meaning we have a lot of runway to materially grow the revenue from these existing customers. These opportunities for revenue growth can come from adding new products and or expanding usage of existing products. Well, not unexpected, it was an encouraging sign to see these customers not only renew their contracts, but to do so at higher levels of commitment. It's also important to highlight that many of these deals contributing to bookings this quarter were multiyear commitments. Because we only report 1st year bookings, the true impact of a multiyear contract is not captured. Speaker 300:14:29To further this point, We signed a 3 year committed contract for instance, only the 1st year's annual fees would ever be reflected in our reported bookings number. Years 2 and 3 would never show up. The impact of that contract however is committed revenue for the next 3 years. I share this context because bookings would have been much higher this quarter if we included the total contract value for multiyear deals. Total revenue for the quarter was $8,700,000 an increase of $1,000,000 or 13% from $7,700,000 in Q2 last year. Speaker 300:15:02Excluding revenue from our end of life piracy intelligence product, revenue increased $1,300,000 or 17% year over year. As a reminder, Q2 last year was the last quarter of meaningful piracy intelligence revenue and so this optical headwind to year over year growth is now gone. Subscription revenue, which accounted for 54% of total revenue for the quarter, grew 44% from 3 $700,000 Our subscription revenue growth rate was 59% or $1,700,000 when excluding piracy intelligence. Again, this headwind goes away starting in Q3. Service revenue declined 10% from $4,500,000 $100,000 reflecting the impact of Holy Grail recycling project work in Q2 last year of $700,000 Excluding this non recurring project work, Service revenue increased $300,000 or 8%, reflecting the impact of a larger annual budget from the central banks for project work this year. Speaker 300:16:05We still expect our currency business to deliver double digit growth this year. Subscription gross profit margin improved from 73% in Q2 last year to 84% in Q2 this year. The large increase in margins year over year reflects 2 positive trends we foreshadowed on our Q4 earnings call that would start to occur this year and continue into next year and beyond. 1st, a more favorable mix of subscription revenue to our newer products, which carry higher gross profit margins on average than our legacy products. 2nd, our product infrastructure costs are declining even with increased usage by customers on our platform. Speaker 300:16:44We expect these trends to continue resulting in further expansion over time to our subscription gross profit margins. This is an important development to note given our focus as a company on growing subscription revenue. Service gross profit margin decreased from 1% in Q2 last year to 51% in Q2 this year. The decrease reflects the impact of project work we realized from Holy Grail recycling projects in Q2 last year and some higher costs in Q2 this year, which are not expected to repeat. We anticipate service gross profit to be in the mid-50s on average going forward with some fluctuation quarter to quarter depending on labor mix. Speaker 300:17:25Operating expenses for the quarter were $16,100,000 compared to $18,900,000 in Q2 last year. The large decrease in operating expenses reflects the impact of the reduction in force this past February along with other cost saving initiatives implemented in Q1 this year. Non GAAP operating expenses for the quarter were $12,900,000 compared to $15,000,000 in Q2 last year. Net loss per share for the quarter was $0.53 versus $0.75 in Q2 last year. Non GAAP net loss per share, which excludes non cash and non recurring items was $0.29 versus $0.47 in Q2 last year. Speaker 300:18:04We ended the quarter with $34,500,000 in cash and investments. We used $8,500,000 of cash and investments during the quarter compared to $14,700,000 in Q2 last year. Our cash usage for the quarter, while much lower than last year, reflected higher revenues and lower costs was negatively impacted by unfavorable timing of customer seats. It was also much higher than we anticipate our quarterly results going forward. For the second half of twenty twenty three, we expect our total cash usage for the 6 month period to be noticeably less than the amount of cash we used in the last 3 months alone. Speaker 300:18:43As we have stated before, we continue to be focused on building a sustainable business capable of extremely high cash flow generation. For further discussion of our financial results and risks and prospects for our business, Please see our Form 10 Q that will be filed with the SEC. I'll now turn the call back over to Riley for final remarks. Speaker 200:19:02Thanks, Charles. Q2 was a strong quarter. On both the direct and channel front, we were successful in not just being easy to begin doing business with, but also excellent at guiding customers along their product digitization journey. As promised at the end of last quarter's call and continues today, We are seeing momentum across all areas of our business and that strength is showing up in our income statement and the 2 key financial metrics by which we obsess. With 59% year over year subscription revenue growth from current products and the sequential addition of another 400 basis points of subscription gross margin to a near best in class 84%. Speaker 200:19:41But however strong Q2 was, what continues to excite us most is where we are going, Because as we are beginning to show the results of our transformation to unlock the unparalleled power of our world leading product digitization hyperscaler, We are also on the cusp of extending that opportunity more fully to the digital world, a domain in which the combination of our past and present will add to our delivery of a generational future. Brian, we'll now open the call for questions. Operator00:20:10Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:54Hi, good afternoon. This is actually Chris Grenga on for Jim. Thank you for taking the questions. You mentioned that you expect cash usage to be lower in the back half than in Q2. Could you frame for us some of the factors that you expect to drive that result and maybe speak to the weights of those factors in driving that result and your visibility there? Speaker 300:21:28Yes, it's a combination of timing of customer receipts. We have some large customer receipts coming on, but also growing revenues. As we talked about on the last call, the $32,000,000 contract has 3 projects to it and they start in different phases. As that continues to ramp, that will both drive revenue as well as additional cash. But some of it's also just related to the timing of cash payments, Including the large contract we have with Walmart that we signed last year. Speaker 200:21:55Yes. And Chris, we grew revenue 59 We grew subscription revenue 59% year over year in Q2. We expanded gross margins by 1100 basis points. That's incredibly strong tailwind For cash flow, for reduction in cash burn. Those 2 big trends, growing our top line and expanding the gross margin. Speaker 400:22:17Got it. Thank you very much. And could you elaborate a bit on The sandboxed version of the factory automation, what I guess what that entails for those customers and what they were doing before in the absence of a program like that And, yes, just elaborate on the nature of that product? Speaker 200:22:47Yes, I would love to. And Chris, if you wait about 5 weeks or so, there will be a lot more out publicly about this. This is really, really exciting stuff. I just don't want to front run Really strong joint comps plan that is being put together. But So on the specific use case and who the customer is, stay tuned. Speaker 200:23:13One of the important things and I referenced it's a sandbox version of our platform, right? So historically, we've gone to market with products And then we've gone to market with our full platform. And what we're finding is and we're exploring and we're constantly learning, we're constantly opening up new opportunities, we're constantly Learning new things. There's a market also for a sandbox version of our platform. So Illuminate for X, in this case Illuminate for factory automation. Speaker 200:23:41And so what the buyer is enables is they get some flexibility from buying the platform components itself, But not paying the cost or for a lot of components of the platform they don't need. So it's a really exciting go to market development. It seems to have real legs here. So without getting specifically into what this customer is doing and where they see the value and who the customer is, that will all be out Publicly in about 5 or 6 weeks. But more importantly, I think the idea here is we potentially could be opening up a third avenue to go to market. Speaker 200:24:17We got our products, We got our platform and then we have Illuminate for X, and X being in this case factory automation, but there was a couple of other Illuminate for Xs we're exploring as well. Speaker 400:24:29Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks. And one more, if I may. I appreciated all the color On the generative AI vision, do you anticipate targeting customers that are Existing customers that are moving into using generative AI more in their operations or Would you anticipate that this would be targeting a new set of customers for the business? Speaker 200:24:58Well, first of all, I would say, I don't know If not now, in 6 months, everybody is going to be using generative AI. So I don't know if there's a difference of customers who are not. I would say again here, We're going to be out in a very we have a very detailed comps plan and launch for our upcoming product that we will be talking about more. But if you listen to what we're saying, there's benefits to all, right? So watermarking digital assets to provide authenticity And at the same time, there's so much value in GenAI itself solving the two problems of Authenticity, digital assets as well as safe and fair input for the training models. Speaker 200:25:40But it's beyond solving those two problems in the Jet AI world and it's beyond even the Jet AI world. So Stay tuned for more on that, but a huge opportunity. And we're again one that we're uniquely positioned to provide Simply because of our background in digital watermarking, our relationships, our expertise, it's pretty exciting stuff. Speaker 400:26:05Great. Appreciate the color. Thanks very much. Thank you. Operator00:26:12Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Bernstein with Silverberg Bernstein Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:26:21Hi, guys. Just a couple of questions for you today. Just back on the factory automation side, is this related to this is going back Quite a while. I think you guys had done some work with Cognex with machine vision and you had very high read rates on machine vision. Is that Speaker 200:26:38what we're talking about here? Yes, absolutely. So there is without mentioning the vendors too, it's more than just 1 camera vendor that has market share and multiple. We talk about developing an ecosystem, right? There is multiple wonderful vendors out there. Speaker 200:26:55Cognex itself obviously is a wonderful vendor. As you mentioned, the historic partner Digimarc and they're wonderful. But there is a lot can be automated in a factory. There is a lot of providing identification and intelligence to items in that factory. So Yes, you're absolutely on the right track. Speaker 200:27:17You mentioned one of our wonderful partners Speaker 300:27:21and stay tuned. Speaker 500:27:22Got you. Okay. And then I just want to make sure I understood. When you talk about SandBox, that's not a cybersecurity term as in not connected to the cloud. Got you. Speaker 500:27:32Okay. Speaker 200:27:32Okay. Yes. And I know it's a lot easier to see a word than hear word, illuminate for X meaning illuminate For a bunch of different things, it's just a taking our whatever functionality, again, taking a step back, Our illuminate platform is what we build our own products upon, right? Speaker 500:27:56And Speaker 200:27:56so we're taking some of the capabilities of illuminate in our Currently, 4 products and say we want a little bit of this capability, a little bit of that capability, we're calling that a product. So sometimes customers want, especially out of ours, want our full platform. They want Every lever and bell and whistle and all the wonderful capabilities within Illuminate. And then sometimes people want Solve for a problem not using one of our predefined products, but using just some of our capabilities. And so that's what we're talking about. Speaker 200:28:22SandBox Expiration is illuminate for factory automation in this case or illuminate for there's a couple of other ones that potentially could be coming. Speaker 500:28:30Under understand. Okay, that's great. And then you mentioned a deposit return program. So is this a second one in addition to I think you talked about 1 on the prior quarter? Speaker 200:28:43Yes. So our wonderful VAR that we announced that we signed in Q2 and we announced a couple of months ago, As Charles just mentioned there, they're building 3 products currently on top of illuminate. One of them is to provide for the authenticity of a DRS system in a specific Country? Yes. What I referenced on the earnings call is as soon as that press release came out, I think it was literally the next day, We got an invitation to a meeting for a very large country who is working on their own DRS scheme And wants to wanted our insights in there to talk to us about the value we could add. Speaker 200:29:20Because we believe there's a huge opportunity here In terms of coverage, in terms of cost effectiveness, in terms of ease of implementation, There was a and it's important stuff. There was an article actually that somebody sent me about a week ago or week and a half ago about Somebody family making $6,000,000 or something by bringing cans from Arizona and getting the deposit back from California. This is a big problem. And there's ways to solve it. There's ways that existing DRS systems are using to solve it. Speaker 200:29:55We got a solution that can extend coverage and do it in a lot more cost effective way. But that and that's one we're going Speaker 300:30:02to go through our VAR. Speaker 200:30:05We have one bar that we announced this earlier in Q2 as part of the $32,000,000 deal and we're looking to expand that network and also to help that bar Be more successful in other countries. Speaker 500:30:17Got you. And then you mentioned adding one more VAR. Any color on kind of General area that VAR is in? Speaker 200:30:26Yes. They're using illuminate. So You mean what so not what use case are they going after, what end market they? They're a packaging and label company. Speaker 500:30:40Got you. Okay. All right. And lastly, there was a mention about the product infrastructure costs coming down as customers actually utilized your product more. And it sounds a little counterintuitive Speaker 300:31:08from a cost perspective and be able to scale out. So we're taking somewhat legacy technology and updating that to a newer platform, which is the Illuminate platform. So as we transition customers off of our legacy platform onto that, we expect that we'll continue to be able to drive the average price down. Speaker 500:31:26That's great. Thank you. Thanks for the help today. Speaker 200:31:30Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, John. Operator00:31:33Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robin Ned with Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:48Thanks for taking the call. I appreciate it, gentlemen, and congrats on a really good quarter. I suspect I know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it anyway. Riley, are you able to share with us the collective total of The different contracts that were multiyear deals that we were only reporting on the 1st year? Speaker 300:32:10Yes. We intentionally aren't trying to throw out other metrics there, but it's into the 7 figures. But I don't want to get into there was a reason why we went away from reporting both total and 1st because it was confusing, but it was sizable. Speaker 600:32:23Okay, very good. Thanks. Appreciate it. Nice quarter. Speaker 200:32:28Thanks, Robin. Thanks, Robin. Operator00:32:33Thank As there are no further questions, I would now hand the conference over to Riley McCormack for closing comments. Speaker 200:32:54Thanks, Ryan, and thanks, everyone. We hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Take care. Operator00:33:02Thank you. The conference of Digimarc Corporation has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect yourRead morePowered by