EcoSynthetix Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 3, 2023

There are 4 speakers on the call.

Operator

Morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the EcoSynthetics 2023 Second Quarter Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session.

Operator

Instructions will be provided for you at that time for questions. For operator assistance at any time. Listeners are reminded that portions of today's discussion may contain forward looking statements that reflect current views with respect to future events. Any such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. For more information on EcoSynthetics' risks and uncertainties Related to these forward looking statements, please refer to the company's annual information form dated February 28, 2023, which is posted on SEDAR.

Operator

This morning's call is being recorded on Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:30 am Eastern time. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Jeff McDonald, Chief Executive Officer of EcoSynthetics. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning. We issued our 2023 second quarter results yesterday afternoon. As we move into the second half of twenty twenty three, we are beginning to see emerging signs that make us optimistic the business is turning a corner with a return to a growth trajectory. The Q2, which is now behind us, was certainly a continuation of the macro challenges we experienced in Q1 As we expected and mentioned at the time of our Q1 call in May, sales were flat sequentially at $3,000,000 and down 29% from the prior year period.

Speaker 1

This change was due to lower volumes. The reason for our optimism today is twofold. Number 1, we are seeing positive signs on the opportunity side, specifically in terms of an And number 2, We're seeing positive indicators on starch availability and pricing earlier than we had originally anticipated, which should support margins and pricing to win new business. On the Wood Composites front, the movement toward bio based glues is gathering momentum. IKEA published its Sustainability and Climate Reports earlier this year, which we've highlighted previously.

Speaker 1

In those reports, they've highlighted glues for wood panels as one of the critical drivers to reduce their carbon footprint and achieve their climate goals. Wood glues represent 5% of their total carbon footprint. They've set a goal of reducing that impact by 40% by 2,030 through the use of bio based glues, which they are implementing at one of their facilities. In June, CNN did a feature report on IKEA's development journey on its use of bio based glues from cornstarch In the production of wood panels like particleboard. As one of the largest consumers of wood panels in the industry, IKEA's influence on their supply chain and manufacturing base is significant.

Speaker 1

When retailers and manufacturers like IKEA move to bio based glues, Other suppliers follow. We have long said the market is moving toward our solutions and we appreciate the patience our shareholders have as the impact on our sales has been slow to materialize. We believe this new level of awareness in the market is having an effect. Let me explain. In May, we attended the Ligna trade show where the whole wood processing market comes together every few years for 5 days.

Speaker 1

There were 2 issues that were front and center. Number 1, like most industries, was artificial intelligence, but number 2 was bio based glues for wood panels. We are the clear incumbent in the bio based glue market. We have seen trial activity pick up year to date With new prospects requesting material and support for trials and prospects that have trialed with us before reengaging, They see the movement in the market and they do not want to be left behind. The industry clearly recognizes that we are the leading bio based offering That is being used commercially and technically successfully today.

Speaker 1

With the thought leaders in the market leading the way toward greater use of bio based glues, Others in the market see this as a catalyst that the change is real. This movement gives us confidence that the second half of twenty twenty three and into 2024 can be stronger than the market conditions we've just endured. In the tissue paperboard and pulp end market, we continue to engage with manufacturers, advancing trials with existing prospects and broadening our pipeline with new prospects and applications. The tissue, paperboard and pulp market has been dealing with the same macroeconomic challenges that we've faced. The sector was dealing with excess inventory as strong sales of paper based products through 2022 dropped sharply heading into 2023.

Speaker 1

These manufacturers have been downsizing staff through layoffs and restructuring production with temporary or permanent mill closures. The purpose in mentioning these conditions is that despite these challenges, customers have continued to engage with us to advance SURFLOC trial programs. This engagement demonstrates that they recognize what we have is valuable and important enough to them that they're prioritizing it among some really challenging conditions. It's a cost saving solution. With that in mind, we wanted to provide a flavor of what we offer manufacturers.

Speaker 1

We recently published performance results from a successful program implemented at 1 of our tissue paper wins. This manufacturer produces toilet tissue from 100 percent virgin fiber and our Surflock. Their objective in adding Surflock was to improve the strength with no negative impact on softness or dusting. The manufacturer used a mix of short and long fiber And in our trials, they added 2 to 2.5 kilograms of SURFLOC per ton of fiber. The results of the study speak for themselves.

Speaker 1

The manufacturer proceeded to commercial volumes due to a 30% increase in technicintensile strength, a 40% reduction in base weight, Reduced line breaks, which resulted in increased line speed, increased productivity, no negative impact on softness and a 50% reduction in dusting. It's results like these that make us excited about the opportunity that's in front of us in this end market. This performance resulted in this manufacturer converting to commercial production at this line and it is now trialing Surflock at a second line at a separate location. And that's typical of our go to market strategy, successfully deploy the technology on one line at a first location And then within the same account move to a second and third location once they've seen the benefits of the first line. That's the same playbook we're using with another account and new applications.

Speaker 1

One important characteristic of the value chain in this market is that many paper product manufacturers outsource the management of their wet end chemicals to distributor service providers. In addition to generally being an important channel to market, We've identified several of these players who are located in geographies where we do not have a strong presence. We've now cultivated several of these relationships And some of these new partners have now received trial product from us to begin new programs. We believe this will be an important channel to market for Surflock going forward. On the new applications front, we're working with 1 manufacturer that has an interest in developing Surfloc as a strength aid upstream from the mill process, initial trials and has now ordered more material to run larger scale trials later this summer to advance the program.

Speaker 1

It's another opportunity that expands our addressable market, and it's a concentrated one, think tens of millions of opportunity per line, but with fewer targets. It's a development program at this stage, so it's not a slam dunk we'll be successful, but it demonstrates the flexibility of the platform And it's another reason for our optimism in the long term outlook of the business. On the Personal Care front, Our marketing and development partner, Dow, continues to be highly engaged with its prospect base on the Mays Care opportunity. At this point, there's no doubt that the pandemic really set the product launch back significantly. But where are we today?

Speaker 1

Dow has successfully won some smaller players and they're seeing signs in the market that larger players are engaged and advancing their development programs. Dow has consistently told us they entered the $460,000,000 hair fixative space with an all natural product because they believe they can take a meaningful share. The engagement they're seeing today with some of the larger players has them excited that bigger opportunity is near at hand. We follow their lead in this end market and when they're excited, we get excited too. On the legacy graphic paper front, the macro challenges are worsening, both from an overall demand perspective as well as the pricing dynamics of the petroleum binders our chemistry replaces.

Speaker 1

Coated freesheet is the primary market we monitor as the opportunity for our ecosphere binder. In Q2, The coated freesheet graphic paper industry experienced significant challenges, a 36% year over year decline in demand, 46% year over year decline in production and current mill operating rates are at 62%. These declines are relative to the 2022 comparison periods where the market had already endured significant declines. On the pricing dynamics, oil remains below $80 a barrel and the price of SB latex, which our product replaces, remains well below historical levels The price of SB Latex together with the high raw material pricing we experienced in the first half of twenty twenty three eroded the cost savings ecosphere offered manufacturers historically. With some early improvements that we're recently seeing in cornstarch pricing, We'll be able to recover some share in this market, but we do not expect it to recover fully based on the macro demand dynamics I mentioned earlier.

Speaker 1

The vast majority of the volume decline we experienced in the first half of this year was a result of the legacy graphic paper market. We'll continue to deliver for our customers in this space, but it's not a growth driver of the business and that's where our focus lies In wood composites, tissue, paperboard and pulp and with our partner Dow in personal care. On the supply side, We've seen emerging signs of improvement in both availability and pricing of cornstarch. Earlier in the year, we were told to expect no relief on pricing until the new harvest in the fall. Instead, we're seeing modest early improvements.

Speaker 1

And while it's definitely not back to normalized levels, Indicators suggest a better outlook. On the availability front, we're also seeing an improvement. We're expanding our supplier base in Europe, Qualifying alternative suppliers of cornstarch to give us greater optionality in the future. Between the new suppliers and the new harvest coming up, We're in a much better position. It was a tough 1st 6 months of the year.

Speaker 1

We managed through it effectively, maintaining our cash position, And we see greater opportunity in the second half of twenty twenty three and into 2024. As a result, During the quarter, we doubled our use of the normal course issuer bid compared to Q1 2023. It demonstrates our confidence in the long term outlook of the business. While we recognize some stakeholders believe we should be even more aggressive on this front, we believe doubling the program while at the same time preserving a strong cash position is an effective and balanced strategy. Our strong cash position is critical to our key strategic wood composites account and our other large customers.

Speaker 1

It gives them confidence that they can rely on us regardless of the market cycle as a dependable supplier of a key ingredient on their path to greater use of bio based glues and resins. With that, I'll turn it over to Rob to review the financials. Rob?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jeff, and good morning. Net sales were $3,000,000 in Q2 2023, down 29% compared to the same period in 2022. The decline was due to a step down in demand primarily from sales into graphic paper end market, which included a $400,000 decline in sales due to destocking at a large distributor. Gross profit was $550,000 in the quarter, a decrease of $570,000 from the same period last year. The change is primarily due to a decrease in sales volume and higher cost of manufacturing.

Speaker 2

This quarter we hit an all time peak on our product costs. We built inventory at a higher cost during 2022 and into 2023 due to the constraints we experienced last year in feedstock We are working through that higher cost inventory this quarter. As Jeff mentioned, feedstock costs have come down Off the highs we saw earlier this year and we anticipate further normalization as we qualify a new supplier and the new corn harvest approaches. This will also likely result in lower average selling prices later in the year as we pass on some of these savings to our customers. Net of manufacturing depreciation, gross profit as a percentage of sales was 25.2 in the quarter compared to 30.8 percent for the same period in 2022.

Speaker 2

The lower cash margin percentage was due to the higher feedstock costs. SG and A expenses were $1,200,000 this quarter, a decrease of $210,000 compared to the same period in Related to performance based share equity awards. R and D expenses were $630,000 in the quarter compared to $500,000 in Same period last year. The increase was primarily due to new product scale up costs. We continue to invest in innovation to improve our value proposition and expand our addressable market opportunities.

Speaker 2

Adjusted EBITDA loss was $780,000 in the quarter compared to a loss of $230,000 in the same period last year. The change was primarily due to lower gross profit when compared to the same period last year. Cash provided by operating activities was $870,000 in the quarter compared to $80,000 in the prior year period. The improvement is primarily due to working capital improvements offset by the net loss. During the quarter, inventory was reduced by $1,600,000 which had a favorable impact on our operating cash flow.

Speaker 2

We do expect to rebuild this inventory in Q3 as part of our manufacturing footprint realignment project announced in Q1. As of June 30, we had $35,700,000 of cash in term deposits compared to 30 $6,000,000 as of December 31, 2022. During the quarter, we invested $900,000 in NCIB To purchase and retire 348,000 shares. Since 2008, we've purchased 5,500,000 shares and invested $10,700,000 into our NCIB program. We have demonstrated our ability to responsibly manage our cash reserves through multiple cycles while continuing to invest in our long term growth strategy.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn it back to Jeff for closing

Speaker 1

comments. Thanks, Rob. The positive signs we're seeing across our key growth markets Give us confidence the challenges of early 2023 are behind us. Our pipeline of prospects running trials in both wood composites and tissue paperboard and pulp is expanding in-depth and breadth. The movement to bio based glues in the wood composites end market is being championed by the thought leader and leading consumer of wood panels.

Speaker 1

The benefits of our strength aids in the tissue, paperboard and pulp market are clear as evidenced by the case study I shared and the expansion of our early account wins into new trials at separate locations. We've united our team behind our next goal of achieving $100,000,000 in sales and we can achieve that goal with just the customers we're commercial with today and we're going to win new accounts too. We're focused on delivering that growth for shareholders. And with that, I'll ask the operator to open up the call to your questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Followed by the 1 on your touch tone phone. You will hear a 3 tone prompt acknowledging your request. If you would like to withdraw your request, Our first question comes from the line of Dan Marks of Stonehouse Capital.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen. Good morning, Dan. Good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 3

You previously had told us That you had sort of I think it was 2 or 3 commercial accounts and 8 accounts that were in trials. You've told us that's expanded. Can you quantify that for us, so we have some idea of what increase has gone on over the last 2 or 3

Speaker 1

quarters? Yes. Until we're seeing some real predictability where we can build a model around it and tie a pipeline of trial activity to actual wins, commercial successes and then revenue growth. We're not going to share that as a model. I used 8 at the time as just an example of where we were at that point in time.

Speaker 1

And it's safe Say that with all eight of those opportunities, we've continued to advance and we've expanded to new customers and additional lines within existing customers. So The pipeline has only built and we're going to be obviously very forthcoming when some of those opportunities do Translate into commercial wins and we're shipping product continuously to customers, which I feel like we're advancing very well and very close to.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Speaker 2

The only item I would add, Dan, is that we do still continue to sell commercially to 3 mills

Speaker 3

today. Okay. And the trials are obviously a number greater than 8 because none of those 8 have dropped out or had any negative trials or anything that's changed Their path forward?

Speaker 1

No. And maybe I mean that's where I can give a little color in terms of the trial activity and how it works. It's not like Digitally ticking a box that you get a trial, you get a win. Each one is quite different. We've had iterations with customers, which Have gone extremely well and I think the best example of that is where a second mill at an existing customer took our product in for what we all felt was a trial And that first trial worked well enough that they just continued buying the product.

Speaker 1

So it can work that well. I would say that's probably the extreme case. During the quarter, we had an example where we produced a batch of material for 2 different accounts. It was a batch that was going to be shared between those accounts. And something went wrong with material somewhere between us and the customer.

Speaker 1

And those are the kinds of things that can go wrong. We've figured it out. We've corrected it and both customers are back trialing as of this month. So those are the kind of sort of setbacks and delays. I would say, we've definitely I mentioned in the call, It's a testament to the value we're offering with this product that these accounts have continued while they're going through layoffs and mill closures.

Speaker 1

We've managed to advance despite that. And I think we're starting to see the bottom In their stocks of inventory and we're starting to see order books being fuller where this can have a real advantage to their costs As they begin to come out of their lowest periods as well, which from everything we're hearing from them is starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel as well.

Speaker 3

Jeff, are there any, I guess, external benchmarks that investors can follow to maybe Get an idea when those wet end customers might pick up. So if you will, on the supply side, We've grown to watch corn futures pretty regularly. And so we monitor that for the as a rough proxy for where cornstarch might be going. Is pulp prices the one we should use for that market or is there something else that obviously we don't we can't talk to your customers, but What can we follow to maybe get a feel for when things have bottomed and things are moving higher?

Speaker 1

Yes. I would say, pulp prices are really only relevant to the value proposition that we hope we're going to be able to offer that looks very interesting for Pulp manufacturers themselves. So when we can help to enhance the value of lower grade pulp, That's the advantage that they're getting with our product to make it closer to higher grade pulp. That's the closest link to a macro I think you have to remember in this space that today we have essentially 0% market share. And so the indicators are really our ability to convert accounts With wins based on the value we're offering and we're going to have to start to draw a line from that as we get some traction here.

Speaker 1

I don't see that there's an indicator like we can see on the supply chain side with the cost of our materials in terms of wins just given that we're Disruptive and building from basically no market share.

Speaker 3

Okay, got it. Related to the pulp side, your The manufacturing opportunity upstream, is the product the same that goes to them or Is it a variation of Surf Lock? And I guess more importantly, my question would be is, when they sell that to the customer, Does the customer does their customer have to go through a full qualifying process like your direct End market customer would be, and I think you've mentioned in the past, maybe there's some capital expenditure required to upgrade a line. Does your customer's customer have to upgrade their line or can is the product able to just Flow in like it would a nonenhanced pulp would flow in?

Speaker 1

Yes, good question. So, I mean, we don't want to give away Too much of the secret sauce of what makes Surflock work, but it's safe to say that both products for the end applications and for the pulp mills come from the Surflock There may be some variations, but otherwise coming from the same family running through our same assets. The End customers of the pulp manufacturers definitely have to go through a qualification period, like very much like what we would have to do With an end customer if we're working with them directly. So yes, they have to go through that iterative cycle. And I guess just given that there's really 2 steps to it, It's kind of testament to the fact that we've been working with this customer for a fair bit of time now.

Speaker 1

And it is a little bit more multi step and iterative That it takes some time for them to do their trials in the mill and do their qualifications in their lab and then get it to customers and Sort of hold their hand through the next step. But the ultimate goal is really to have it be a drop in that their customer is able to just Take the pulp as they normally would recognize the enhanced properties and take some costs out of their own end products.

Speaker 3

Okay. So the role of them theoretically, if you have to qualify each line, whether it's your direct customer For an indirect customer, there's still a qualification process. So it's not like you could go to this end guy and go, here's $100,000,000 worth of product, have that or he's going to qualify it With all those guys first. Yes. Absolutely.

Speaker 3

Got you. A question On the wood composite side, obviously you've been in the wood composite Market for a long time now, Swisscrono has been a customer for, 5, 6, 7 years, whatever it is. What makes you feel that things like other than, yes, I get that IKEA is now is the leader and they are pushing Green products and so on. But given the economics obviously currently favor non green solutions, What makes you feel like there's enough of a catalyst to get people beyond the economics of it in the wood concepts market?

Speaker 1

Yes. I would just qualify a little bit what you said that the economics between the two solutions do fluctuate. So we've been in periods where we've been economically advantaged versus We're definitely at a period right now with the high starch prices that we're enduring and the crash of methanol in Which is a component of formaldehyde resins, that we'd be at a cost disadvantage position. I think When you have a thought leader like IKEA looking at this and making commitments the way they are, they're looking at this over the long run and they have to look through those cycles. Yes, it frustrates the purchasing manager probably over a period of a few months or a couple of quarters.

Speaker 1

But over the long run, with the commitments they've made, There's no doubt that they're going to make this change. We do know that they've gone out to their entire supply chain and Set the mandate for the level of change that they expect with respect to sustainability, with respect to recycled wood, the use of renewable energy, And in particular, the use of bio based glues. So it's really that conviction that gives us the confidence. The market is going to move there. And if we look at history and the changes that have taken place, even within if we use IKEA as the Even within their use of materials in their supply chain, they've changed away from things like lead paint and have been the thought leader in that.

Speaker 1

And it's really that whole level of conviction and they're sharing that conviction now really for the first time as openly as they are That gives us that confidence.

Speaker 3

Okay. Do you have any concerns? You mentioned you were the incumbent In the EcoGlue arena, obviously, you're in with IKEA. They had said in some of their stuff that They were continuing to look at alternatives. Can you give us a view of where you see ECO in the competitive arena?

Speaker 3

Any fears that IKEA is going to help fuel a competitor.

Speaker 1

Yes. I think the other thing that we look at so we obviously take what you just said very seriously We're looking at that all the time and I think we have a pretty good handle on what all the alternatives are and where they're positioned. Yes. I guess, what gives us confidence is a little bit of what was in that CNN video when they talk about The journey that they've had to go through to get to where they are with the cornstarch based glue, which you could read into That's us. It's a long journey.

Speaker 1

And I think everybody else that has a potential solution is going to have to walk a very similar journey. There are alternatives out there that we know of that reduce carbon footprint, but don't necessarily get you out of formaldehyde. So I'll Try to be as non technical as I can be here, but you can create formaldehyde by deriving some of the inputs to formaldehyde from bio based sources, but at the end of the day, it's still formaldehyde. And if you try to source some bio based ethanol today, you're going to be Buying that at 3 to 4 times the cost of, Petro based ethanol. So those kind of hurdles are still in front of the other solutions that Still need to be solved.

Speaker 1

But it's also absolutely no surprise that a manufacturer and a purchasing Machine like IKEA is, they're going to always be looking at other solutions. Our job is to continue to innovate to stay ahead. And I mean just over past few years of working with them on top of the basic DuraBind we've brought to the table, we've brought other Cost saving and performance enhancement improvements to show that that innovation cycle continues to bring them better and better products. We don't have anything that's ready enough yet, but Safe to say that within our labs and our R and D team here, we've got a few more tricks up our sleeves to continue to improve the value of DuraBind.

Speaker 3

Excellent. One last question on the and this is just looking for a little bit of expectation management, I guess. In your AGM call, you mentioned that you had some stuff that you thought in the near term, You'd be able to talk more about wins in the wet end. Is that have you talked about that today? And if Just and as well you mentioned Dow had some things on in the near term you were excited about.

Speaker 3

Can you give us an idea what do you mean by near term? You're talking weeks, months, quarters, just so we have an idea of when to maybe look for New developments.

Speaker 1

Yes. We rely on the opportunities that you just mentioned for as The best predictability we can have on that ourselves and we try to share as much of that as we can in a responsible way with you guys. Safe to say though that the predictability that's been shared with us has not panned out as fast as We've been told it would in any respect in any of the markets that we're serving. So that predictability hasn't been solid. I would have expected based Where we were at AGM time, I would have expected another win by that time.

Speaker 1

We've definitely gone through a few more iterative steps in a slower market due to the macro conditions on the wet end side, but the pipeline has grown. I still believe we have some things that are within this year for wins. And then I think with Dow, I think for a large account to go through the qualification getting all the way through Hair salons and stuff like that, I think we're probably in a 6 to 12 month time frame before a really big win. But in the meantime, the little wins with some niche brands are continuing to come in. We're running in the back here today, some MACE Care product based on a new order we just received.

Speaker 1

So There's some good little wins that are beginning to fill some things up here.

Speaker 3

Excellent. Thank you.

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