Griffon Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 2, 2023

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Griffin Corporation Fiscal Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Harris, CFO.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Debbie. Good morning, everyone. With me on the call is Ron Kramer, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. The call is being recorded and will be available for playback, the details of which are in our press release issued earlier today. As in the past, our comments will include forward looking statements about the company's performance based on our views of Griffin's businesses and the environments in which they operate.

Speaker 1

Such statements are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties that can change as the world changes. Please see the cautionary statements in today's press release and in our various Securities and Exchange Commission filings. Finally, from today's remarks, we'll adjust for those items that affect comparability between reporting periods. These items are explained in our non GAAP reconciliations included in our press release. Now I'll turn the call over to Rob.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Brian. Good morning, everyone, and thank you As you can see from our Q3 results, Griffin's financial performance continues to exceed expectations. Our results were driven by the outstanding performance of our Home and Building Products, HBP segment, which continued to see year over year growth in commercial volume. Residential volume decreased as expected year over year as backlog levels normalized, HBP at favorable price mix across all products and channels. HPP's performance is supported by increased investment in business development for both residential and commercial following 2 years of reduced sales and marketing activity due to elevated backlog and long lead times.

Speaker 1

HPP continues to invest in productivity and innovation to further drive growth. Clopay has fundamentally raised the bar for performance expectations. Turning to the Consumer and Professional Products segment, CPP's results continue to reflect challenging market conditions. All channels and geographies were affected by reduced consumer demand and elevated customer inventory levels. As we announced last quarter, to address the impact of these market conditions on certain U.

Speaker 1

S. Product lines, CPP is expanding its global sourcing strategy to include long handled tools, material handling and wood storage and organizational product lines that are currently manufactured and sold in the U. S. Market. By utilizing an asset light structure, CPP's U.

Speaker 1

S. Operations will be better positioned to serve customers with a more flexible and cost effective global sourcing model. The global sourcing project is off to a solid start and remains on schedule and within budget. Specifically, there's been significant progress on our Higher profile work streams around plant closures and ramping up suppliers. We'll provide more detail on our year end earnings call in November.

Speaker 1

Turning to capital allocation. During the quarter, we announced actions to enhance shareholder value That included a 25% increase to our regular quarterly dividend, raising it to $0.125 and a $200,000,000 increase to our share repurchase program that brought the total authorization to $258,000,000 Earlier today, the Griffin Board authorized a $0.125 per share Dividend payable on September 14, 2023 to shareholders of record on August 23. This marks the 48th consecutive quarterly dividend to shareholders, which has grown at an annualized compound rate of 17.6% since we initiated dividends in 2012. During this quarter, we repurchased 2,500,000 shares Approximately 4.4 percent of our outstanding shares were $85,000,000 at an average price $33.58 per share. At June 30, dollars 173,000,000 remained under the share repurchase authorization.

Speaker 1

We continue to believe there is a significant disconnect between Griffin's share price and the intrinsic value of our businesses, and we will remain active and opportunistic with our share repurchases. Turning to our guidance for the year. Based on our Q3 performance and our Expectations for the Q4, we are again raising our full year guidance. We now expect segment adjusted EBITDA to be $550,000,000 compared to previous guidance of at least $525,000,000 In summary, these capital allocation actions And the fiscal 2023 guidance raise reflects the confidence Griffin's Board and management has in our strategic plan and outlook as well as demonstrate our commitment to enhancing both immediate and long term value to our shareholders. I'll turn it over to Brian for the financial update.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Ron. I'll start by discussing our Q3 consolidated performance on a continuing basis. Revenue of $683,000,000 decreased by 11 And adjusted EBITDA before unallocated amounts of $100 were $153,000,000 increased by 3%, both in comparison to the prior year quarter with a margin of 22.3 percent, an increase of 300 basis points. Gross profit on a GAAP basis for the quarter was $275,000,000 compared to 2 $1,000,000 in the prior year quarter. Excluding items that affect comparability from the current and prior periods, gross profit was $276,000,000 in the current quarter, Increasing 4% over the prior year quarter, gross margin increased by 580 basis points to 40.4%.

Speaker 1

3rd quarter GAAP selling, general and administrative expenses were $172,000,000 compared to $157,000,000 in the prior year. Excluding adjusting items from both periods, selling, general and administrative expenses were $155,000,000 representing 22.7 percent of revenue compared to the prior year of $151,000,000 or 19.6 percent of revenue. 3rd quarter GAAP income from continuing operations was $49,000,000 or $0.90 per share prior year period income of $53,000,000 or $0.98 per share. Excluding all items that affect comparability from both periods, Current quarter adjusted net income from continuing operations was $70,000,000 or $1.29 per share compared to the prior year of $66,000,000 or $1.23 per share. Corporate and unallocated expenses, excluding depreciation, were $14,000,000 in the quarter compared to $13,400,000 in the prior year.

Speaker 1

Our normalized effective tax rate excluding adjusted items for the quarter was 28.1% and 28.6% for the year to date period. Net capital expenditures were $8,000,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $11,000,000 in the prior year quarter. Depreciation and amortization totaled $15,700,000 for the 3rd quarter compared to $17,700,000 in the prior year. Regarding our segment performance, revenue for home and building products decreased 1% over the prior year quarter, driven by reduced residential volume, partially offset by increased commercial volume and favorable mix and pricing for both commercial and residential products. Adjusted EBITDA increased 12% compared to the prior year quarter, driven by reduced material costs, partially offset by increased costs for labor, advertising and marketing.

Speaker 1

Consumer and Professional Products revenue decreased 22% from the prior year. The reduction in revenue was primarily attributable to reduced volume across all channels and geographies, driven by soft consumer demand and elevated customer inventory levels and customer supplier diversification in the U. S. CPP adjusted EBITDA decreased from the prior year by 36%, primarily due to the unfavorable impact of reduced volume and revenue and its related impact on manufacturing and overhead absorption. These items were partially offset by reduced discretionary spending and improved Hunter Fan performance.

Speaker 1

In our Q2 earnings release on May 3, we announced that CPP is expanding its global sourcing strategy for products manufactured and sold in the U. S. Evolving market conditions, utilizing asset light model enable CPP to continue providing high quality products, strengthening its competitive positioning and leveraging industry leading service and distribution that our customers and consumers expect. Further, these actions position CPP to achieve targeted EBITDA margin of 15% and generate substantial additional value to our shareholders. There have been no changes in expected charges, and we'll continue to expect the project to be completed by the end of calendar 2024.

Speaker 1

In the quarter and the June 30, CPP incurred pretax cash charges of $9,000,000 related to the expansion of its global sourcing strategy. Regarding our balance sheet and liquidity, as of June 30, 2023, We had net debt of $1,400,000,000 and net debt to EBITDA leverage of 2.6 times as calculated based on our debt covenants compared to $1,300,000,000 of net debt and 2.5 times leverage in the previous quarter and $1,500,000,000 of net debt and 2.9 times leverage at September 22 fiscal year end. I want to highlight that we remain essentially leverage neutral relative to the prior quarter, Even after returning $100,000,000 in shareholder capital via special dividends in May $85,000,000 in stock buybacks over the course of Q3. Regarding our 2023 guidance, given our strong year to date financial performance and our expectations for current segment trends to continue through the 4th quarter, We are raising our guidance for full year segment adjusted EBITDA to $550,000,000 from the previous guidance of 525,000,000 This EBITDA guidance excludes unallocated costs of $56,000,000 charges related to the strategic review process of approximately $22,000,000 and AIM's global sourcing expansion charges. In addition, we now expect depreciation to be $45,000,000 versus prior guidance of 50,000,000 Capital expenditures to be $40,000,000 versus $50,000,000 prior.

Speaker 1

Other guidance remains unchanged for 2023, including revenue of $2,700,000,000 Free cash flow to exceed net income, amortization of $22,000,000 interest expense of $102,000,000 and a normalized tax rate of approximately 29%. Now I'll turn the call back over to Ron. Thanks, Brian. Before we turn to questions, I want to highlight this morning, Griffin announced that it amended and Stated its revolving credit facility to increase the size of that facility to $500,000,000 from $400,000,000 and extended the maturity to March of 2028 from March of 2025. The closing of our new credit facility and further enhance shareholder value.

Speaker 1

Also, I want to acknowledge the effort and commitment the employees and management teams of our businesses continue to demonstrate. It's because of them that we maintain industry leading levels of product, quality and customer service, and our brands remain highly sought after and our leaders in their categories. Our Home and Building Products segment continues to perform well and sees long term tailwinds for the business, driven by healthy demand for our commercial products and from the historically resilient residential repair and remodel market. We remain excited about the prospects for our Consumer and Professional Products segment. Globally, CPP is addressing the current consumer market environment by rationalizing its cost structure and leveraging its global sourcing capability to realize our goal of 15% EBITDA margins.

Speaker 1

Griffin's Board and management remain very confident in our outlook and strategic plan. We will continue to use the strong operating performance of our business and its free cash flow to deliver long term value to our shareholders. Even with our impressive results year to date, we continue to believe the best is yet to come. Operator, we'll take any questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. We ask that you please limit your questions to 1 question and one follow-up. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question is from Bob Labick with CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Hi, good morning. It's actually Lee Jagoda for Bob this morning. Good morning, Lee. Good morning, Lee. Good morning.

Speaker 1

So can we start with the doors business and maybe talk about the visibility in demand across the residential and commercial business? And then just as a follow-up to that, maybe talk about the progress and potential synergies you see Integrating Clopay to the existing commercial dealer network. Sure. So as far as visibility, we continue to expect Good commercial demand. We have benefited greatly by converting historical CornellCooks and dealers to use Clopay commercial sectional product and that has been very successful and will be ongoing for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 1

On the residential side, we have from a unit sales standpoint, we have difficult comps Until we get through the first half of fiscal twenty twenty four because of historical backlog during the prior period the period this year. And going forward, we expect orders to improve as we have invested more in marketing to recapture the market share that was partially lost while we had high backlog. Got it. And then on the CPP side, maybe are there any initial findings from your global sourcing initiatives that you're trying to implement in the U. S?

Speaker 1

And how does that how does your existing global sourcing infrastructure benefit the push towards the U. S. Sure. So we're early in the process, but so far, we see this being as successful as we expected. We'll update you more in November.

Speaker 1

As far as our capability that we already have regarding Sourcing, we already source partially in the U. S. To begin with and Australia and the U. K. And we're leveraging that Supplier network to use we're leveraging that supplier network to source for the U.

Speaker 1

S. Product lines that we're converting. Operator, next question please.

Operator

The next question is from Tim Lojes with Baird.

Speaker 1

Maybe just On the HBP business, so on the pricing side, could you maybe talk to what you're seeing there? I think there There's a worry out there that the industry needs to give back some level of pricing. And I guess I'm just curious what you're seeing, How you kind of respond to that? And as we look at next year, just anything to think about pricing mix or kind of raw materials in HBP? Sure.

Speaker 1

So as far as raw materials, the market will dictate mostly how that occurs going forward. So I'm just sort of going with your questions backwards. As far as pricing, we are priced in line with the market. We continue to expect Good mix as we go forward. We're constantly coming up with new products, innovative products on both commercial and residential side.

Speaker 1

And I refer you to our margins year to date regarding the strength of the pricing in our business. And Tim, it's Ron. I'll just add to it. We're the market leader and we have the premium product, premium service, The best dealer network, and we see ourselves taking market share and have no worries about pricing. Okay.

Speaker 1

Okay. Very good. And then just, you outlined some longer term margin targets in home and building products that I think we're in the mid to high 20% range, but the business is still operating really well at 33% Margins this quarter and last and to give you the last couple of quarters. And I just when you look at steel down, you look at MDI down and maybe other inputs are actually A bit more favorable. So just I guess, can you maybe just kind of walk me through the difference there?

Speaker 1

And if I'm thinking if there's anything there that I should think differently about? Because And if anything, I'd almost think that margins have stood to maybe even move higher. So as far as those The outlook for margins that we posted, that is a long term view and considers the cycle. Currently, we aren't seeing pressure on margin, And the business is doing very well. We were just being perhaps a little conservative and considering What could potentially happen in the future, but nothing is visible yet.

Operator

The next question is from Julio Romero with Sidoti and Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks. Good morning. We wanted to piggyback on Lee's question earlier about HBP and converting the CornellCookson dealers. You guys mentioned you've been successful with those conversions.

Speaker 2

Could you expand on that a little bit? Maybe give us what's a Common pushback from those dealers or a common rebuttal? And how do you kind of overcome that?

Speaker 1

Sure. Actually, it's the opposite. We have dealers lining up to be converted. We are being thoughtful And bringing on new customers to make sure that we service them at the high level of service that they should and expect and that we've been able to provide our other Dealers. So this is really a matter of thoughtfully and carefully converting dealers 1 by 1, training, making sure they understand our products, And so far, it's been a success and we continue to expect it will be successful.

Speaker 2

Got it. That's very helpful. And then on CPP, you mentioned you've seen significant progress on ramping up Suppliers for the global sourcing strategy, what do lead times turn into with the global sourcing strategy Compared to previously?

Speaker 1

I assume you mean getting things into our Distribution centers from wherever we're sourcing from.

Speaker 3

Exactly.

Speaker 1

Those three times will change. But we are used to dealing with that because we currently source Roughly 20% to 30% of what we sell in the U. S. So that will be in our calculus to make sure we have A, inventory on hand At adequate levels of service our customers in the way they've been serviced before. And b, We understand the timing that it will take to get product and we'll be ensuring that we have our orders in on a timely basis to get the product.

Operator

The next question is from Trey Grooms with Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Good morning. This is Noah Murkowski on for Trey.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Noah.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Maybe switching gears here over CPP, just on the demand outlook there. I mean, I know you've called out there continues to be a weak consumer, Sounds like pretty globally there and inventories remain high. Again, just any kind of forward looking Expectations as we think about demand for that segment and when you believe inventories in the channel might be right sized?

Speaker 1

Sure. We expect it to take time. We're talking multiple quarters. It's hard to know exactly when. There's other factors such as weather that could change the calculus.

Speaker 1

But we are looking 'twenty four is going to look From a consumer standpoint, similar I think to 2023, and it's going to take most of 20 24 to normalize inventory at most for most product Yes. And we view this as positioning the company for the long run, and there will be a recovery in those products. And the 15% EBITDA target that we have out there, we believe we'll achieve beyond the fiscal 'twenty four year.

Speaker 3

Got it. That makes sense. Then on the HBP business, you mentioned you're a market Can you help us understand what the market structure looks like? How many players there are and how concentrated is at the top? And maybe You mentioned regaining market share and investing in more marketing now.

Speaker 3

Maybe if you could just help quantify what that looks like?

Speaker 1

Sure. So as far as the market, there's 4 large players that make up about 75% of the market approximately. So pretty consolidated at that level. As far as the marketing, yes, so while we had increased Some of our customers understandably, if they wanted a door faster than we were able to provide it, went to other providers. That was a matter of Not wanting to wait, not necessarily that they wanted the other products.

Speaker 1

So now that our backlogs have normalized and we can Meet our customer demand typically in approximately 2 weeks. We are regaining that market share and the investment in marketing to allow people to know

Operator

The next question is from Sam Darkatsh with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, Ron. Good morning, Brian. How are you?

Speaker 1

Doing well. How are you, Sam? Terrific. Thank you. Just most of

Speaker 4

my questions have been asked and answered. Just a couple of follow ups On prior inquiries, I think we talk a lot about garage doors within HBP, but could you Talk a little bit more about what CornellCookson specific profitability looks like today versus pre pandemic And where that is versus the overall HBP margin level? Just trying to get a sense of the sustainability there versus the garage door business.

Speaker 1

Sure. So I'll take you back to when we purchased CornellCookson. It was approximately a 9% business on $200,000,000 of revenue. Yes, there was we knew we had a lot of opportunity there and a lot of work to get there. In integrating that with Clopay and I mentioned the conversion of dealers to our commercial sectional products, all those have contributed to a much stronger business.

Speaker 1

Currently, on balance, our commercial Margins are similar to our residential margins. It varies by product, but on balance, they're similar. And we continue to see Very nice growth in the commercial business and believe that that's going to continue.

Speaker 4

This is not my follow-up question, so don't cut me off just yet. But do you think the sustainability you think the sustainability of the CornellCookson margins are similar to that of garage doors? I mean, there's never, to our knowledge, ever been a Price cut in regi garage doors, but you figure steel rolling steel doors might be a little bit more commodity sensitive with pricing. So could you give us a sense How you compare and contrast the margin sensitivity or sustainability with commercial versus resi?

Speaker 1

Yes. They're a bit of a different model. So on the commercial side, it's, I'll call it, job at a time where you're going out and bidding with a full suite of products and services, 1 with dealers to get those jobs done. So though the product itself is of excellent quality and sought after by those who are purchasing it, It's our capability to not only build the quality doors, but to get them there on time, get them installed properly and having a full suite of products that gives us a leading edge in getting those jobs. So it's more one at a time and those are bid So the pricing may adjust as each bid goes, but our overall capability gives us strength.

Speaker 4

And then here's my actual follow-up question. So this is fine tuning what Tim was asking earlier around Pricing, both what you're seeing and prospectively in HBP. I guess it looks like In the quarter, that pricing for HBP on a 2 year stack moderated a little bit sequentially From last quarter? Now that's price mix. So I'm not sure if that's actually like for like, but are you seeing Price degradation or price pressure in HBP sequentially?

Speaker 4

And if not, what might explain the little bit of the softness

Speaker 1

Yes. So year over year, price mix continues to be Good. What you're really seeing is less price, more mix, and pricing has remained relatively stable. There's always the mix element to that, but it's remained stable. By the way, back on the commercial, I forgot to mention that Commercial products have a much higher component of labor than residential products as part of the consideration of what the stock came out.

Operator

The next question is from Justin Bergner with Gabelli Funds. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Ron. Good morning, Brian. Nice quarter.

Speaker 1

Hi, Kevin. Hi, Kevin.

Speaker 3

One two part, just clarification question and one follow-up. I noticed the Hunter margins were really strong this quarter, close to 30%. Any comment there? And then the other clarification question was just regarding the repurchases. It was $85,000,000 but I think there's like a 98,000,000 Purchase of shares for treasury number in the cash flow statement.

Speaker 3

So just trying to reconcile those 2.

Speaker 1

Sure. On the repurchases, there can be An element of vesting that affect that number. I believe that's the difference between the true repurchases And the vesting netting of shares when they vest. On the Hunter margins, last year, Hunter is seasonal generally. Q3 and Q4 are generally the stronger times of the year.

Speaker 1

Last year was burdened with significant freight costs That we did not have this year is the major driver there.

Speaker 3

Okay. So are those margins sort of sustainable at this level? I mean that high 20s? Or is there something unusual that sort of helped them this quarter?

Speaker 1

For this period of the year, those margins are not abnormal. Over the entire year, you're talking Plus the 20% give or take margin business.

Speaker 3

Got you. And then my follow-up just on the commercial HPP business. Some Companies in the industrial space are talking about a weakening sort of market for warehouse related demand. Are you seeing that Come through or maybe looking out a quarter or 2? And are you in the later innings of this dealer switch for

Speaker 1

Yes, we're in the middle innings for the switch. As far as demand, we are continuing to see strong demand for our products in the space.

Operator

Any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Be well. We look forward to speaking to you in November.

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