MGIC Investment Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 3, 2023

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the MGIC Investment Corporation Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. At the end of today's presentation, we will have a question and answer session to ask I will now turn the conference over to Diana Higgins, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Jules. Good morning, and welcome, everyone. Thank you for your interest in MGIC Investment Corporation. Joining me on the call today to discuss our results for the Q2 are Tim Mackey, Chief Executive Officer and Nathan Colson, Chief Financial Officer. Our press release, which contains MGIC's 2nd quarter financial results, was issued yesterday and is available on our website atmtg.

Speaker 1

Mgic.com under Newsroom includes additional information about our quarterly results that we will refer to during the call. It also includes a reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures. In addition, we posted on our website a quarterly supplement that information pertaining to our primary risk in force and other information you may find valuable. As a reminder, from time to time, we may post information about our underwriting guidelines and other presentations or corrections to past presentations on our website. Before we get started today, I want to remind everyone that during the course of this call, We may make comments about our expectations of the future.

Speaker 1

Actual results could differ materially from those in these forward looking statements. Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed on the call today are contained in our 8 ks and 10 Q that were also filed yesterday. If we make any forward looking statements, We are not undertaking an obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent events. No one should rely on the fact that such guidance or forward looking statements are current at any other time than the time of this call or the issuance of our 8 K and 10 Q. With that, I now have the pleasure to turn the call over to Tim.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Diana. Good morning, everyone. We had another quarter of solid results, writing $12,400,000,000 in new insurance, and ending the quarter with $292,000,000,000 of insurance in force, flat quarter over quarter and 2% higher than a year ago. In the 2nd quarter, we earned net income of $191,000,000 and generated an annualized 16% return on equity. Our strong performance in the quarter and first half of the year reflects our disciplined approach to the market.

Speaker 2

We consistently focus on the long term success of our company through executing our business strategies and maintaining exceptional financial strength and flexibility. We remain in an excellent position to serve our customers with quality offerings and solutions, while creating shareholder value. As we expected at the beginning of the year, both the mortgage origination and MI markets are smaller this year, driven by higher mortgage rates, which are leading to fewer homes for sale due to the lock in effect of borrowers with lower mortgage rates. Higher mortgage rates have also dramatically reduced refinance Transactions, they were a large part of the market in 2021 and early 2022. For our business, those headwinds are somewhat offset by the tailwinds Higher interest rates have on the persistency of our insurance in force.

Speaker 2

Annual persistency has increased in each of the last 9 quarters to 83.5% at the end of the Q2. The net result of lower volumes of new insurance written and increased persistency is that our insurance in force has remained relatively flat for the first half of twenty twenty three, consistent with what we expected at the start of the year. While the affordability issues and high interest rates continue to put downward pressure on home prices, The home price declines seen in the last year or so have been more modest than many had forecasted. The outlook for the housing market and economy has been gradually improving and remains resilient. As a result, our view for the market risk began to steadily improve during the first half of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2

The gradual stabilization of housing market conditions for the 2nd quarter resulted in another quarter of strong credit performance. Our quarterly loss ratio was negative 7.3% in the quarter and our ending delinquent inventory was at the lowest level in the last 25 years. I'm optimistic that a gradual normalization of home prices will continue, which I believe is healthy for the housing market and overall economy. As we previously announced, in the quarter we paid a $300,000,000 dividend from MGIC to the holding company. With a strong liquidity position of the holding company, we repurchased another 5,000,000 shares in the quarter for $73,000,000 Net of June 30 with $817,000,000 at the holding company.

Speaker 2

In July, we repurchased an additional 1,100,000 shares for $18,000,000 The strong financial position of both the holding company and the operating company were key factors in the Board recently authorizing a 15% increase quarterly dividend, which brings the quarterly dividend to $0.155 per share. We continue to focus on maintaining financial strength and flexibility in order to create long term value for shareholders and to protect operating company policyholders. Our capital management strategy includes a comprehensive reinsurance program, which reduces the volatility of losses in dynamic economic environments and provides diversification and flexibility of sources of capital. We bolstered our reinsurance program in the 2nd quarter with an excess of loss agreement with Appail's highly rated reinsurers to cover most of our 2023 NIW. This reinsurance agreement complements the 25 percent quota share agreement we had in place at the start of the year to cover the 2023 NIW.

Speaker 2

At the end of the Q2, approximately 98% of the risk in force relating to the 2020 through 2022 books and 93% of the 2023 book was covered to some extent by our reinsurance program. Before turning it over to Nathan to provide more detail on our financial results, I'd like to share a few thoughts on pricing and our market position. Pricing we have in the market is dependent on many factors, including the credit characteristics of a given loan, a reflection of our views of the market risks. During last quarter's call, I discussed pricing actions we took in the 3rd and 4th quarters of last year to address our views of risk And uncertainties in an environment where interest rates have spiked, affordability was stretched and home prices were expected to fall from their peak. I also mentioned that our views of risk were gradually improving and we expect our market share in the Q2 to be higher than the Q1, which we still expect.

Speaker 2

We believe there is additional improvement in our market position over recent months, even though our recent pricing was still meaningfully higher than the pricing we had in the market during the Q2 of last year. This improvement will be reflected in our Q3 NIW. While pricing is an important component of market position, it's just one component And we believe that we have advantages that allow us to outperform our price position. This includes a differentiated business model in terms of our breadth of our customer relationships, Geographic diversification is who we do business with. Additionally, with 65 plus years of through the cycle experience, thought leadership Additional resources that we bring to the table to help our customers, ultimately, we believe our broader value proposition allows us to outperform our pricing.

Speaker 2

With that, let me turn it over to Nathan.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Tim, and good morning. As Tim mentioned, we had another quarter of strong financial results. In the Q2, we earned net income of $0.66 per diluted share compared to $0.80 per diluted share last year. Adjusted net operating income was $0.68 per diluted share compared to $0.81 last year. A detailed reconciliation of GAAP net income to adjusted net operating income can be found in our earnings release.

Speaker 3

The results for the 2nd quarter were reflective of continued strong credit performance, which led to favorable loss reserve development and resulted in a negative 7% loss ratio this quarter. Net losses incurred were negative $18,000,000 in the 2nd quarter compared to $6,000,000 last quarter and negative $99,000,000 in the 2nd quarter last year. Our review and re estimation of ultimate losses on prior delinquencies resulted in $60,000,000 of favorable loss reserve The favorable development in the quarter was broad based with about half coming from new delinquency notices received in 2020 prior and half coming from new delinquencies in 2021 early 2022. We continue to maintain our initial ultimate loss assumptions related to new delinquencies from the most recent quarters. In the quarter, our delinquency inventory decreased by 4% to 23,800 loans, which is the lowest level in at least the last 25 years.

Speaker 3

In the quarter, we received 10,600 Notices compared to 11,300 last quarter and 9,400 in the 2nd quarter last year.

Speaker 2

While new notices were higher year over year,

Speaker 3

they were 18% below the pre pandemic levels seen in the Q2 of 2019. During the quarter, total revenues were $291,000,000 compared to $293,000,000 in the Q2 last year. Net premiums earned were $243,000,000 in the quarter compared to $256,000,000 last year. The decrease in net premiums earned was primarily due to an increase in ceded premium and a decrease in accelerated single premium cancellation. The in force premium yield was 38.6 basis points in the quarter, down 1 tenth of a basis point from last quarter and down less than a basis point from the Q2 of last year.

Speaker 3

As I mentioned on the call last quarter, we continue to expect In force premium yield to remain relatively flat during 2023. Book value per share at the end of the second quarter $17.09 up 3% during the quarter. Book value per share increased more than 14% compared to a year ago due to our strong results and accretive share repurchases, despite our quarterly shareholder dividend payment and the headwinds from increased unrealized losses in the investment portfolio due to changes in interest rates.

Speaker 4

While interest rates have been

Speaker 3

a headwind for book value per share the last year. Higher interest rates are a long term positive for the earnings potential of the investment portfolio and that continues to come through in our results. The book yield on the investment portfolio ended the quarter at 3.4%, up 20 basis points in the 2nd quarter and up 70 basis points from a year ago. Sequentially, net investment income was up $3,000,000 again this quarter and was up $12,000,000 from the Q2 last year. Our reinvestment rates continue to be well above the current book yield and assuming a similar interest rate environment, we expect the book yield to continue to increase Operating expenses in the quarter were $57,000,000 down from $73,000,000 last quarter and flat with the Q2 last year.

Speaker 3

As we talked about on the call last quarter, operating expenses were higher in the Q1 due in large part to $8,000,000 in pension settlement charges. The settlement charges were significantly lower in the 2nd quarter coming in at $1,000,000 We anticipate the settlement charges will remain closer to Q2 level for the remainder of 2023. We continue to expect full year operating expenses will be down modestly in 2023 to the range of $235,000,000 to $245,000,000 the same range we provided in February May. Turning to our capital management activities. During the Q2, the capital levels at MGIC and liquidity levels at the holding company continued to be above our targets.

Speaker 3

As Tim mentioned, the Board of Directors authorized a 15% increase in our quarterly shareholder dividend. Like the $500,000,000 share repurchase authorization we announced In April, the increase in the quarterly dividend reflects our strong capital position and outlook on continuing to generate excess capital at the operating company and paying dividends to the holding company. Even with the increase in the quarterly shareholder dividend, We expect share repurchases will remain our primary means of returning capital to shareholders. Consistent with last quarter, our recent share repurchase activity reflects continued strong mortgage credit performance and financial results and share price valuation levels that we believe are very attractive to generate long term value for remaining shareholders. With that, let me turn it back over to Tim.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Nathan. I'll close my comments where I started. We had another solid quarter and excellent financial results for the first half of the year. Our strategic long term focus, prudent risk management A balanced approach to capital management position us to serve our customers with quality offerings and solutions, so together we can help borrowers overcome the largest obstacle to homeownership, The down payment. As we look forward to the second half of the year, we remain encouraged by the positive credit trends we are experiencing on our existing insurance portfolio, including the favorable employment trends as well as the resiliency of the housing market.

Speaker 2

We're excited for the rest of the year we'll bring. With that Jules, let's take questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will begin the question and answer

Speaker 5

Our first question comes from

Operator

the line of Bose George of KBW. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Hey, everyone. Good morning. Kashy, can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing in terms of pricing? And if the macro environment continues to improve, Is it possible that we see some of the improvements over the last year reverse?

Speaker 2

It's tough and I don't want to speculate about what will happen in the future, Bose. I think as we said, we took pricing actions in the 3rd, Q4 of last year As we saw that the risk was elevated and we needed to get the appropriate sort of pricing to get the right return. As we said in our script, we think over the last couple of quarters, we've seen that moderate from our view of the ultimate risk. I think we will be a little bit higher from a market share standpoint this quarter. And we sort of said next quarter, we think we'll continue to see things progressed from an NIW standpoint as well.

Speaker 2

But it's really hard to speculate what's going to happen going out. We're a competitive industry, But we have to do what's right for us from a pricing return standpoint, and I expect others to do the same for them.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thanks. And then can you talk about any changes to assumptions you're using for new notices or loss severities just based Some of the improvements that we've seen out there in the market.

Speaker 3

Bose, this is Nathan. On the new notice Ultimate claim rate assumption, it was still at 7.5% in the quarter. Historically, that's a very, very Good level. We have been running better than that, hence the favorable loss reserve development that we've seen over the last couple of years, but no change to that assumption. And then on the severity side, we're really just following the exposure that comes in on new notices.

Speaker 3

So as we've seen More new notices from more recent vintages with higher loan amounts and higher exposures. The severity has ticked up a little bit, but On the order of maybe a 1% change this quarter, so not a big change to the severity assumptions.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, both.

Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mihir Bhatia of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning and thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to just ask about The NIW in the quarter, obviously, you saw a nice uptick, a little bit more than some of the others. I guess what I'm really curious about is, are there particular markets Segments where you are seeing strength this quarter, like where do you think you picked up share? What changed this quarter versus last quarter? Just any relative comments or I'd be curious about that.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure, Maher, it's Tim. I mean, I would say that there's No specific areas that I would call out. If you look at our additional information that we include, you can see some minor changes Above 95 LTV is an example and above 45 BTI. I think it's fair to say that We said tolerances from a risk standpoint of how much we want to write in certain characteristics. But I think I would view sort of where we want some additional volume is Fairly broad based, and nothing that I would call out specifically about certain loan characteristics or anything like that.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then just maybe turning to credit for a second. Look, it's clearly a reasonably favorable back Drop right for credit. But as you sit there and look at your results, are there any portals that you're looking out at, anything in particular you're worried about? I guess I'm trying to understand just from a credit perspective, what are some of the Metrics or some of the potential issues that are upcoming that you maybe are paying a little bit more attention to that could cause Credit hiccups, pretty all.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, it's when we have negative loss incurred for a period, I think we view that as not sustainable. I think we've been in this phenomenal credit environment. The things we watch are what a lot of people watch, right? Unemployment, what's happening there.

Speaker 2

We do think that the values of housing is an important, characteristic whether we'll have losses or not. So we've been very, Very happy with how resilient the home prices have been over the last 9 to 12 months. So I think we're watching that. Obviously, watch for any deterioration you can In other credit lines as well, but a lot of times those don't correlate exactly to what we see in mortgage credit, especially If home prices are solid. The reality is the underwriting and the credit box for mortgage and especially the area that we operate in It's been phenomenal for over a decade now.

Speaker 2

And so while we'll be careful to say that it's tough to see that How well it's performed will continue because it's just been phenomenal. It is something that feels inherently different than it would have 15 years ago as a comparison. So I feel really optimistic about that.

Speaker 7

Okay. And on that last point, this is my last question. I'll hop back in queue after. But like in terms of the underwriting environment, given the high mortgage rates have been, I guess almost a year now that originators have been working with it. Are you seeing any move by originators, any appetite to expand the credit box, Maybe giving pushing you on, hey, maybe we want to do some non agency lower credit tier non agency, I mean, like not jumble.

Speaker 7

Anything you're seeing, any pressure, anything from originators, anyone in the ecosystem looking to expand that credit box? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, it's a good question. I think from a how broad that might be, no. I mean, I think you always look for lenders we're looking to do things that are the right answer, that they if they can find other borrowers that they can make eligible, If they want to do that, they still have strong credit profile and we have those conversations every day with our customer. But I think what you were hitting at is some a broader sort of view of Let's expand the box.

Speaker 2

Let's figure out ways to get more loans. It's really a supply issue as much as it is a demand issue at this point. Qualifying more borrowers, I don't think really helps. I think there's plenty of qualified borrowers at this point, although we can always help those around the margins for sure. But it's really a supply issue out there and I think the interest rate lock in effect is real.

Speaker 2

Although I think they'll dissipate over time as people get more comfortable and earn their house Longer and look to move up to their 2nd home as opposed to their starter home.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you so much.

Speaker 6

Sure.

Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question.

Speaker 5

The next question comes from

Operator

the line of Geoffrey Dunn of Dowling and Partners. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Good morning, guys. With respect to new provisioning and particularly the severity assumption, is it fair to assume that there's Kind of pressure on that number for the foreseeable future as the 2021 through 2023 book season? Or is there something in your approach that could soften that?

Speaker 3

Jeff, it's Nathan. I mean, I do think that given the average loan amounts in the more recent vintages compared to the average loan amount that came in certainly in the kind of financial crisis years, much higher. So the average exposures on those are a lot higher. We have had a pretty consistent severity to exposure ratio that we're putting on new notices. We've been running better than that.

Speaker 3

We've Actual realized severities have been in the 60s 70s for the last several years. I think we think that's really an artifact of things that are not long But at some point, if that became what we thought the true new normal go forward was, I mean, that could have An impact and a consideration that we would have, but I do think that we are likely to see a gradual uptick in that just as the Average exposure on new notices goes up as more and more of those new notices come from more recent vintages at higher loan amounts.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then just a quick number. You said you're at 7.5% claim rate assumption. Did you drop to 7.5% in the Q1 or was that incremental this quarter?

Speaker 3

The 7.5% has been our new notice claim rate assumption for several quarters.

Speaker 7

Okay. I thought you

Speaker 4

were at 8% in the 4th quarter. That's why I Just wanted to clarify.

Speaker 3

Okay. No, I think, yes, 7.5% for the last several quarters.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then last question, I think Tim it was in your commentary about some of the competitive advantages beyond pricing for new business. How do you think the market is shaped up? It seems to me every day that goes by mortgage insurance is almost kind of becoming more like auto insurance Where do you think we are in terms of mix of purely Price shopping customers versus those that still value broader relationships and services. And how is that today compared to maybe 3 years ago?

Speaker 2

I think there is definitely more price shoppers if you want to find that way now than there were 3 years ago. I think what we like to call out is there's a fairly good percentage of our customers that aren't Price shoppers. Now they're not agnostic to price by any means, but they value I think some of the things that we can deliver and that we have delivered for over 65 years to them in those relationships, that they aren't as focused on price as some others are. And again, It's up to the customer to decide what they want to do. We try to reflect on what we do to understand what our customers expect from us.

Speaker 2

So we have a core group of customers. We have a broad based group of customers. All of them are phenomenal. We definitely have a good cross section that aren't as focused on prices as others are.

Speaker 4

And does that fall into like a typically like a regional or a local type of customer versus the nationals?

Speaker 2

I think we've always felt like we do really, really strong in community banks, regional banks, credit unions, those types of institutions. So I think it's fair to say that It's probably pretty strong correlation.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thank you. Sure.

Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question.

Speaker 5

Our next question comes from

Operator

the line Eric Hagen of BTIG. Your line is now open.

Speaker 8

Hey, thanks. Good morning. I think I've got a couple of follow ups. First on risk based pricing, I mean, would you say risk based pricing is more effective when mortgage rates are high, relatively volatile? Or what would you say is Kind of the ideal environment to leverage some of the inputs that go into risk based pricing.

Speaker 8

And then second question, I mean, how are we thinking about Any further rotation of mortgage origination and servicing from banks to the non bank community, does that drive your thoughts around any capital ratios, Even how you think about the longer term growth rate in the business, more generally just given where the capital is being sourced and where that's coming from? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. I'll start off from a risk based pricing. I think we think about it across a number of different dimensions. I haven't thought about it too much with interest rates being higher if that makes it more conducive. I think there is a sensitivity always to cost And for us, the advantage of risk based pricing is being able to ultimately reflect the risk that we think exists with a loan based upon the current conditions and interest rates one of those, but it's much to do with what's going to happen with home prices and the ultimate credit characteristics of the loan as well.

Speaker 2

So I wouldn't put it as something that is more pronounced in my mind in this environment. And then the second part of your question, can you just refresh me on that again?

Speaker 8

Yes, rotation of origination and servicing from bank to non bank, thoughts around capital ratios, longer term growth rate, Just given where that capital is coming from? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think it's there's always some ebbs and flows as far as where things go to. I think The non banks have obviously taken a larger and larger percentage recently. I think we feel really great about those customers as well. And I think it's one of those things where when the market sees a little bit of disruption, you sort of look for what will the shakeout be.

Speaker 2

And I think there's still Some more to go there ultimately, and we'll stay closer. The good thing is we have a broad base of customers, and do well across all those segments. And so feel really good about however that organizes on the origination and servicing side, that we're well positioned to be able to engage And win our fair share of business.

Speaker 8

All right. Thanks for the comments. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3

Sure.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, there are no further questions. I will now turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jules. I want to thank everyone for your interest in MGIC. We'll be participating at Zelman's Housing Summit in September. I look forward to talking to all of you at some point in the near future. Have a great rest of your week.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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