NASDAQ:FAT FAT Brands Q2 2023 Earnings Report $2.68 +0.18 (+7.20%) Closing price 04/25/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$2.66 -0.02 (-0.75%) As of 04/25/2025 07:51 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast FAT Brands EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.53Consensus EPS -$1.57Beat/MissBeat by +$1.04One Year Ago EPSN/AFAT Brands Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$106.76 millionExpected Revenue$106.75 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$10.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFAT Brands Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/3/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, August 3, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsFAT Brands' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by FAT Brands Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the FAT Brands Inc. 2nd Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen only mode. Please note that this conference is being recorded today, August 3, 2023. Operator00:00:19On the call from FAT Brands are Chairman of the Board, Andy Wiederhorn and Co Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer, Ken Kulick. This afternoon, the company made its Q2 2023 financial results publicly available. Please refer to the earnings release and earnings supplement, both of which are available in the Investors section of our website at www fatbrands.com. Each contain additional details about the Q2, which closed on June 25, 2023. But before we begin, I must remind everyone that part of the discussion today will include forward looking statements. Operator00:01:03These forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore, undue reliance should not be placed upon them. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward looking statements due to a number of risks and uncertainties. The company does not undertake to update these forward looking statements at a later date. For a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact future operating results and financial condition, Please see today's earnings release and recent SEC filings. During today's call, The company will discuss non GAAP financial measures, which it believes can be useful in evaluating its performance. Operator00:01:51The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation nor as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures are available in today's earnings release. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Andy Biederhorn, Chairman of the Board. Speaker 100:02:14Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone, and thank you all for joining us on the call today. Let me begin by thanking our teams, our franchisees and their employees for their hard work as we continue to grow FAT Brands. Total revenue grew $4,000,000 in the Q2 of 2023 to $106,800,000 compared to $102,800,000 in the prior year Q2. The increase was driven by a 5% increase in royalties, A 4.6% increase in company owned restaurant revenues and a 13% increase in revenues from our manufacturing facility. System wide sales grew to $572,700,000 a 1.7% increase when compared to the prior year quarter. Speaker 100:03:01Turning to profitability. Our 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was $23,100,000 compared to 29 point $5,000,000 in last year's quarter. Last year's adjusted EBITDA included a $10,100,000 benefit related to Employee retention credits. Excluding the impact of this benefit, adjusted EBITDA increased $3,700,000 or 19% from the $19,400,000 in Q2 of 2022. During the Q2, we continued to focus On our organic growth strategy, opening 25 new units, bringing our year to date openings to 66 locations. Speaker 100:03:44During the Q3, we plan to open over 35 units, of which 15 have already opened. For the full year, we are projected to open 175 new units, which is a 25% increase in new unit openings from 2022. We have capitalized on high demand for our brands in the market, signing franchise development deals for over 150 new locations so far this year, Bringing our pipeline to over 1100 signed agreements for new units over the next few years. This pipeline of organic growth is estimated to be worth approximately $60,000,000 in incremental adjusted EBITDA, bringing our total adjusted EBITDA to approximately $150,000,000 and naturally delevering our balance sheet. Also as previously announced, we plan to take Twin Peaks public in 2024. Speaker 100:04:38The timing and the size of the transaction will be subject to market conditions and other factors. While we see franchisee interest across our diversified portfolio of restaurant concepts, We remain especially focused on the expansion of the polished casual segment through Twin Peaks. Units continue to produce Industry leading average unit volumes of around $6,000,000 with some of our highest volume locations in Florida generating AUVs between $9,000,000 $12,000,000 These restaurants also have very strong margins. Since our acquisition in October of 2021, Twin Peaks footprint has continued to grow in both unit count and geographically and now operates in 27 states and 2 countries. During 2023, we plan to open 18 to 20 new lodges with 8 lodges opened to date, bringing the unit count to 103 so far. Speaker 100:05:31We expect to end the year with approximately 115 lodges, a nearly 40% increase in unit count since that brand's acquisition. Over the next several years, Twin Peaks plans to double its unit count to more than 200 lodges and increased the mix of franchise locations from 70% today to more than 80%. The planned unit growth is expected to increase system wide sales to approximately $1,000,000,000 Let's shift To our Burger Brands, where we are also seeing consistent growth. During the Q2, we opened a Fatburger in Greater Tampa, which is the first of 4 locations that we'll be opening in the area over the next 5 years. Additionally, we plan to open 10 locations in Orlando within the next 7 years with the first location slated to open by the end of the year. Speaker 100:06:18Johnny Rockets has also enjoyed continued growth around the globe with new locations in Arizona, Chile, Peru, India and multiple locations in the UAE. The brand also signed a development agreement to open 20 new franchise locations throughout Texas in the coming years. Great American Cookies continues to expand to new territories, most recently making its debut in the state of Alaska. We are also pleased to have hit a key growth milestone for the brand, our 4 100th location to date. Additionally, we opened our second Co branding is another key strategy to drive sales and leverage margins. Speaker 100:07:05This spring summer, we Signed several new development deals to open over 30 new co branded and franchised locations in Iraq. This deal includes 12 co branded Fatburger and Buffalo's Express locations, 10 co branded Great American Cookie and Marble Slab Creamery locations and 10 Hotdog on a Stick locations. They will open throughout the country outside of the Kurdistan region over the next 5 years with the first unit set to open in 2024. Currently, Fatburger has 4 units already operated in the Kurdistan region with a strong following there. In the coming months, we will also unveil the first Co branded Fatburger and Roundtable Pizza location in Texas. Speaker 100:07:44This is just the beginning of the growth that we anticipate for this first of a kind co branded concept. Our next area of focus is the growth of our manufacturing facility. As you know, our Georgia based manufacturing facility produces pretzel mix and cookie dough for several of our brands. We believe our factory business today is in its early stage of growth, operating at only about 40% to 45% of its capacity, up from 33% 2 years ago. To drive capacity at our plant, we've completed the introduction of cookie offerings at Elevation Burger and have begun to roll out cookies across our other burger brands in our portfolio, namely Johnny Rockets and Fatburger. Speaker 100:08:24The rollout is now complete in the key markets of Las Vegas and Los Angeles and the nationwide rollout for both brands should be complete by the end of the summer. During the Q2, our manufacturing facility generated $9,700,000 in sales, a 13% increase over last year's quarter. We are in the final stages of rebranding Nestle Toll House Cafe by Chips to Great American Cookies. As a reminder, in May of 2022, we acquired the Nestle Tollhouse Cafe by Chip franchise business. To date, we have converted over 50 stores to Great American Cookies And expect to complete the remaining conversions by late 2023. Speaker 100:09:02Now let us turn to FAT Brands' 2nd strategic pillar, Growth by acquisition. When evaluating potential acquisition targets, our focus remains on strategic acquisition opportunities of brands with High growth sports lodge category and would consider acquiring concepts with locations that can be converted into Twin We're also looking at other categories to round out our portfolio such as salad, sandwich or coffee brands. And finally, we continue to evaluate That will leverage our existing manufacturing capacity and will increase our EBITDA. As a result of our robust growth over the last several years, In June, we strengthened our leadership team with the promotion of Jen Johnston to CMO and added 2 new brand presidents. Prior to Jen's promotion, she was the President of our quick service division at FAT Brands. Speaker 100:09:57Her unique marketing and operations background will allow her to develop impactful campaigns that will increase brand visibility and drive profitable sales across our 17 concepts. We are excited to welcome Jen to the C Suite. As a result of this promotion, Alison Lowenstein now serves as the new Brand President of Great American Cookie, Marble Slab Creamery and Pretzel Maker. Allison brings over a decade of experience working with the respective brands having Previously served as Executive Vice President of Brand Operations and Marketing at Global Franchise Group. Prior to joining Global Franchise Group, Allison spent 13 years at Dunkin' and And Baskin Robbins in various leadership positions. Speaker 100:10:38Given Allison's track record with Great American Cookies, Marble Slab and Pretzel Maker, we expect her to provide great value to the brands that she is leading. David Pare was also hired to assume the role of Brand President at Roundtable Pizza. David brings to the company strong strategic insights from his diverse restaurant background. He most recently served as Vice President of Strategic Initiatives at Desert De Oro Foods, a multiunit franchise organization 360 restaurants including Taco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut, Whataburger, Dickies Barbecue Pit and Dave's Hot Chicken. Prior to that, David served As Senior Vice President of Operations at Del Taco, he brings experience from his time at Yum! Speaker 100:11:17Brands, Taco Bell and Domino's Pizza, where he led Operational transformation through a combination of key initiatives focused on culture, continuous improvement of operational elements and the elevation of the guest experience. Looking at our balance sheet, in July, we sold an aggregate principal amount of $100,580,000 $105,800,000 of new securitized notes with a 10% coupon rate of which 6% is paid current 4% is paid on the maturity date. We have a healthy liquidity position consisting of both cash And $156,100,000 of marketable securities in addition to the cash. These securities consist of bonds that were issued but not yet sold and bonds that we have repurchased, all of which are available for sale or resale to third party investors. Before we close, I would like to share an update on the Fat Brands Foundation and a new initiative that just kicked off. Speaker 100:12:17First, I would like to congratulate the Fat Brands Foundation Board for successfully launching the foundation for making an immediate impact only a few months in. To date, over 25 grants have been awarded to a wide range of non profit organizations in areas including food insecurity, mental health, education and more. What makes it even more rewarding is that the grants hit close to home all near FAT Brands locations. I'm also pleased to update you on FAT Brands commitment to DEI. Mark Avery was recently appointed to Senior Vice President, DEI in addition to his existing supply chain and global partnerships role. Speaker 100:12:53Under Mark's leadership and in partnership with Multicultural Food Service and Hospitality Alliance, MFHA, we have launched an IDEA Council, IDEA standing for inclusion, diversity, equity and accessibility. The council consists of 15 individuals, including support from our partner at PepsiCo. We look forward to sharing more updates on the work of the council in the coming months. Finally, I wanted to share that last month Marble Slab Creamery celebrated its 40th anniversary and was also named as a top dessert treat Chained by the USA Today. We're proud of the team for continuing the legacy of this brand and striving for outstanding achievements. Speaker 100:13:34In summary, the opportunities ahead for FAT Brands are considerable and we're well positioned for growth. FAT Brands is built on Providing an authentic superior dining experience, we have a seasoned senior leadership team coupled with a strong and dynamic brand management platform Capable of seamlessly and cost effectively integrating new brands, our healthy and growing development pipeline will fuel growth for many years to come and will naturally delever our balance sheet. We look forward to updating you on our progress on future calls. We sincerely appreciate you joining us today and for your interest in Dot Brands. With that, I would like to hand it over to Ken Kuok to talk about our financial highlights from the quarter. Speaker 200:14:13Thanks, Andy. Total revenue during the Q2 increased 3.9 percent to $106,800,000 driven by a 5% Increase in royalties, a 4.6% increase in company owned restaurant revenues and a 13% increase in revenues from our manufacturing Costs and expenses remained largely unchanged in the 2nd quarter, decreasing 1.4% from the year ago quarter. During the Q2 of 2022, we recognized $10,100,000 of employee retention tax credits, which was primarily reflected as a reduction to cost of restaurant and factory revenues. During the Q4 of 2022, We fully reserved the entire $22,000,000 of employee retention tax credits that we claimed during the year Until such time that it has been determined that we have reasonable assurance that the credits will be realized. During the Q2 of 2023, we reached that determination on a portion of the credits representing cash received from the IRS and reversed $12,700,000 of this reserve. Speaker 200:15:27For the Q2, all of this resulted in cost of restaurant revenues being $10,100,000 lower than normal in the Q2 of 2022 and general and administrative expense being $12,700,000 lower than normal in the Q2 of 2023. And it's important to note that the reversal of the reserve in the second General and administrative expense decreased to $9,900,000 in the 2nd quarter from $20,800,000 in the prior year period. Excluding the reversal of the $12,700,000 reserve I just referenced, general and administrative expense was 22 point Cost of restaurant and factory revenues increased to $59,500,000 in the Q2 of 2023 compared to $49,800,000 in the prior year quarter, driven by the $10,100,000 of employee retention tax credits recognized in the Q2 of last year. Depreciation and amortization expense increased to $7,100,000 in the 2nd quarter from $6,700,000 in the year ago quarter, primarily due to depreciation of new company owned restaurant property and equipment. Advertising expense was flat at $11,600,000 in both Q2 of this year prior year and advertising expenses vary in relation to advertising revenue. Speaker 200:17:17Author expense for the quarter was $24,200,000 compared to $21,600,000 in the year ago quarter and was primarily comprised of interest expense on our securitizations. Net loss for the quarter was $7,100,000 or $0.53 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $8,200,000 or $0.60 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. And on an as adjusted basis, our net income was $3,000,000 or $0.08 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $3,100,000 or $0.29 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. And with that Carolyn, please open the line for questions. Operator00:18:59The first question comes from Joe Gomes with NOBLE Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:19:06Good afternoon. Congrats on the quarter. Speaker 100:19:10Thank you, Joe. Speaker 200:19:11Thanks, Joe. Speaker 300:19:14So the first question I wanted to ask in terms of the openings during the quarter, you did 25. At the Q1 call, you had said you were projecting 45. So Just wanted to see what happened there. You've kept the full year guide at that $175,000,000 Speaker 200:19:35We're just wondering what happened in Speaker 300:19:36the quarter That came in at 25 as opposed to the projected 45. Speaker 100:19:42We thought we'd end the quarter around 80 units and we just had some slip into July August. We'll be at over 100 by the end of this month. So just a very Mild slippage. And the other thing about the quarter is that the quarter ended on June 25. And so there There's another week in June that some of the openings slipped into that last week of June and that's how that's why it's that big of a difference. Speaker 100:20:09We don't see a change in the full year. Speaker 300:20:13Okay. And I'm just going to ask, I I think last year there was some supply chain issues with getting equipment and everything. Does that have any role in some of the slippage? Speaker 100:20:26It's always an issue. It's not a huge issue anymore like it was before, but it is an issue. It's also just completing Just getting the managers hired and trained, we've seen that's the area that where you're feeling the most pressure is at the manager level today. It's not the line level worker, which Thank goodness there's plenty of again at A Price. Speaker 300:20:49Okay. Pardon me. One of the other goals, as you mentioned, is getting the utilization of the factory up and you've done a commendable job with that. One of the things last year you hired someone specifically to start going after third parties as opposed to in house. I was just wondering if you could give us a little color as to how that effort is progressing? Speaker 100:21:22You bet. We're just rounding the 1 year anniversary of that Strategic initiatives and there's 2 elements to it. 1 is rolling out the cookies and pretzel program across as many of our brands as we can And that's going to see an uptick in utilization over the coming rest of the year. Plus we also have this 1100 store pipeline now and many of those new restaurants will be selling cookies and pretzels as well as whatever else they're selling. So that's going to chew up a bunch of Capacity as those restaurants open. Speaker 100:21:53In terms of 3rd party contracting, we've entered into several We're in negotiations with several different groups about producing cookie dough or pretzel mix for them. And it's really Just trying to carefully balance our margin on that production. We have a very high margin producing for our own brands with the quality of the ingredient and the Wholesale pricing that we can offer our franchisees is a very, very healthy margin in the 30% range or more For cookie dough and pretzel mix. And some of the 3rd party manufacturing has some of those contracts have like a 10% margin. So we don't want to use up Capacity for low profit business when we can save it for more of our own business or a richer, better 3rd party contracts. Speaker 100:22:42So we're just trying to be thoughtful about which contracts we enter into. There are plenty of them out there. Speaker 300:22:49Okay. Thanks for that. And you mentioned the recent debt raise. Maybe give us a little color on your thoughts on the uses of some of that cash that was been raised. You didn't haven't mentioned anything about the preferreds that were up for redemption. Speaker 300:23:11I think there's roughly $90,000,000 of that left. Any thought on maybe paying off those preferreds or do you have other Intentions for that for the cash that was raised. Speaker 100:23:27Right. So we did raise a fair amount of additional Cash just to have a ton of liquidity going into the second half of the year and being well positioned for anything that comes along. In addition to that, we now have $156,000,000 of marketable securities of bonds that we can trade with. And it's certainly our intention to sell some of those bonds over the balance of the year. We are in Discussions with some of the preferred shareholders and these are private equity firms that we bought brands from. Speaker 100:24:01This is not the same holders that are like publicly traded preferred shareholders, where we have a different obligation to the private equity firms to ultimately buy back some of that preferred At some point in time. And we are in negotiations with them. We'll see if we get something done. Alternatively, We'll sell the bonds, raise some cash and buy back that preferred that we're obligated to redeem in the long run. There's a lot of different options for liquidity for us. Speaker 100:24:29And so we're Trying to just as quickly as possible reduce that preferred dividend expense and the cost of capital From the bond position is far less than from the preferred, so we're eager to retire that if we can. Speaker 300:24:46Okay. And then notice going through the release, litigation costs have increased Substantially, I think, they're roughly running $7,000,000 a quarter in the first two This year, which is kind of double what they were in 2022. Any expectations that those should start To come down and we've seen the peak, do we think they're going to go higher? Just your best guess, Andy. Speaker 100:25:19Yes, they are coming down. There was a lot of activity in Q1 and some of that got billed in Q2 from responding some of the litigation and motions and meetings and things like that, we're certainly hoping that this goes away during the balance of the year, very hard to tell if it spills into next year. We are pursuing claims against our insurance carriers for reimbursement of that litigation expense and we hope to Ultimately prevail on that and recover a significant amount of that. Speaker 300:25:50Okay, great. Thanks, Matt. I'll get back in queue and let someone else ask a couple of questions. Thank you, Joe. Operator00:26:00The next question comes with Alton Stump with Loop Capital. Joe, please go ahead. Speaker 400:26:06Great. Thanks, Andy and Cat for taking my questions. Just wanted to ask I guess, first off, you mentioned, obviously, the opportunity to convert potentially convert assets that you would purchase It's the Twin Peaks models. Just given the current landscape, there's obviously been a while of course, smaller players have had to close their doors last 12 months Coming out of the pandemic, any kind of ballpark number as to what percentage ish of your future builds Do you think for Twin Peaks in particular could come from conversions as opposed to having to build your own restaurants? Speaker 100:26:43Yes, I think it could be to answer you very directly, it could be somewhere between a third 50% in the next Few years, it's something that we're very, very focused on because it will accelerate the opening of those new stores by A year and a half or so, meaning that it takes almost 2.5 years to find a location, build it, get it open with permitting and things like that, maybe permitting improves, but we haven't And we've done a bunch of conversions in the past quite successfully, a whole bunch of them in the Twin Peaks portfolio. And we think it'll dramatically accelerate the opening. So I would see if that 110 or 15 store pipeline that Twin Peaks has today out of that 1100 total pipeline, I would see probably a third to 50% of that to be conversions over the next 2 or 3 years. And we have our eye on a number of those And we hope to announce those in the near future. Speaker 400:27:46Great. Thanks so much for that color. Very, very helpful. And I want to ask Just going back to Twin Peaks, obviously, came out in early June with the plans for it to go public. I presume that the bulk of those Potential proceeds would be used to pay down debt. Speaker 400:28:00Is that your main goal once this if it does go through at some point in 2024? Speaker 100:28:08Yes, there would be a substantial pay down of debt on the FAT Brands side and then there would be money used to develop Additional stores for Twin Peaks on the corporate side, still maintaining a very heavy balance of franchise to company owned stores. Speaker 400:28:23Got it. Great. And then, I guess, the last thing and I'll hop back in the queue if anybody else has questions. But just kind of the overall competitive landscape, You guys have 17 brands, I'm sure seeing a lot of different things in different markets. But given that we're coming off industry high pricing over the last 18 months for good reason, Had to be taken because of it was 4 year high inflation. Speaker 400:28:44But now that we're starting to get, it feels like into a bit more moderate Input costs, inflationary environment, how do you think your concepts respond to that from a competitive standpoint? Speaker 100:28:58Well, it's really an interesting question because it's very different brand by brand and a little spotty even within categories. We are seeing commodity costs come down a little bit, not tons, but definitely a little bit, which is helping with restaurant level margins and We're not really feeling the pressure to continue to take price at this point like we have done before. We are trying to manage the menu mix to utilize The best margin we can realize the best margin we can, if at all possible in terms of what we specialize in selling on an LTO basis or things like that. But it is different month by month and quarter by quarter across the category. So fast casual, we've seen some lumpiness where sales Sales have been soft, sales have rallied. Speaker 100:29:45Same thing on the polished side. Now, something to note during the summer for the sports bars, there's not a ton of Sports on, like there is once football gets going and then basketball is going again and so on. So we're really in that those dog days this summer for just another Couple of weeks, more UFC fights, things like that. But we'll get that behind us very quickly here and football should just be rocking. And that also helps the casual dining Category because those restaurants are 25% alcohol and people are going into the casual dining restaurants to watch sports just like they're going in And so we're very excited about getting back into the swing of that whole thing. Speaker 400:30:21Got it. Great. Thanks so much. I appreciate your time. Speaker 100:30:23Thank you. Operator00:30:28Thank you all. The next question comes with Roger Lipton with Lipton Financial. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:30:35Yes. Good afternoon. Speaker 100:30:39Just a couple of Speaker 500:30:39follow-up Questions on Joe and the gentleman from Loop. What was the cash prior to the raising the $105,000,000 What was the this cash on the balance sheet as of the end of the quarter? You would have that number handy. Speaker 200:30:57Hi, Joe. Hey, it's Ken. It's $31,000,000 in unrestricted cash at Speaker 400:31:02the end of Speaker 200:31:02the quarter approximately prior to the Speaker 100:31:06Right. And where? Plus there's also new the new cash rates, but also receivables for additional ERC credits. So those are U. S. Speaker 100:31:16Government receivables. Speaker 500:31:18Okay. And where on the financials do we see the 156 of Marketable securities. Speaker 200:31:30Yes. Joe, it's Ken again. You won't see it on the balance sheet. So it was issued by us and owned by us. So from a consolidated financial statement perspective, you will not see it. Speaker 100:31:41Right. It also was issued after the quarter end. Speaker 400:31:44That's correct. Speaker 500:31:46The one that you Speaker 100:31:46see is Nick. Yes, it was issued in July. So you won't see it on the balance sheet of this quarter, but you will Yes, footnote and reference it as a subsequent event. Speaker 500:31:56I see. So it won't show up in the cash or in the payable. It will be just netted out The 0 up, it will be shown in the footnote. Speaker 400:32:03Correct. Speaker 500:32:04Got it. And relative to Twin Peaks, which is of great interest to everybody, Have the size of the stores changed at all as the system builds out? The volumes are much higher. Are the stores getting any larger or not? And what kind of what is the I know the cost of building stores Must vary a great deal depending on whether it's specially built or renovation, but what's the ballpark if you wanted to build the new Twin Peaks In a mall, for instance. Speaker 100:32:38So the size of the stores have gotten bigger whenever we wherever we As we talk about average unit volumes of $6,000,000 store and then we talk about like Florida where we're seeing $9,000,000 to $12,000,000 a store, they're just Outstanding. Now part of that's the weather and accessibility to outdoor dining. We have patios and wherever we can build a second bar In one of the Twin Peaks restaurants, we're getting the opportunity to do that. That just means we have more throughput and on large sporting event days or nights, we can handle more guests. So we want to build larger restaurants. Speaker 100:33:14In the fast casual business, you want to build smaller restaurants. In the polished casual business, you want to build bigger Because if you can manage the throughput, you really take advantage of that and especially having a second bar. Speaker 500:33:29And typically, what am I if I'm a twin piece franchisee, what am I thinking about investing as I Where I am acknowledging that it can vary a great deal. But what's it going to go up to $5,000,000 to build a store? Speaker 100:33:43So If you're able to buy the real estate, you might pay $2,000,000 for the real estate $5,000,000 or $5,500,000 To build the building on the real estate, so $7,500,000 You could then do if you want a sale leaseback of some kind and get out Maybe $5,000,000 and then you can even finance your equipment and take out another $1,000,000 So really, you might have 1,500,000 And at the end of the day, if you want to finance your project and you're going to make knock on wood, you might make $1,000,000 a year. So depending on your margin. So Very, very good cash on cash return, but that all depends on all of the variables we just discussed. Right. It also depends on the wages in the state you're operating in, right? Speaker 100:34:27Texas or Florida versus California is a big difference. Speaker 500:34:31Well, there's a lineup for franchisees and they're voting with their feet in terms of the expected returns. So I understand it could vary a great deal in terms of how the stores are financed, but It wouldn't be coming to these stores if the returns were an outstanding. Speaker 100:34:49So I think it's amazing, Roger, that we've grown this brand 40% already in 2 years And it's poised to grow by another 100%. We've grown it we will have grown it by the end of the year from 83 original stores to 115 units There's another 115 already sold. So this brand is going to double again and why it's a great IPO story. Speaker 500:35:12Right. We'll look forward to that. Thanks very much. Speaker 100:35:15Thank you. Operator00:35:19Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would like to invite Mr. Fiederhorn to proceed with his closing statements. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:35:30I want to thank all of you for your interest in FAT Brands and attending our conference call. Thank you, operator. We can cancel the rest of Operator00:35:43Thank you. That does conclude the FAT Brands audio conference for today. Thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect. 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Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on FAT Brands and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About FAT BrandsFAT Brands (NASDAQ:FAT), a multi-brand restaurant franchising company, acquires, develops, markets, and manages quick service, fast casual, casual dining, and polished casual dining restaurant concepts worldwide. It owns restaurant brands, including Round Table Pizza, Marble Slab Creamery, Great American Cookies, Hot Dog on a Stick, Pretzelmaker, Fazoli's, Fatburger, Johnny Rockets, Elevation Burger, Yalla Mediterranean, Buffalo's Cafe and Buffalo's Express, Hurricane Grill & Wings, Ponderosa Steakhouse/Bonanza Steakhouse, Native Grill & Wings, Smokey Bones, and Twin Peaks. The company was incorporated in 2017 and is headquartered in Beverly Hills, California. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the FAT Brands Inc. 2nd Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen only mode. Please note that this conference is being recorded today, August 3, 2023. Operator00:00:19On the call from FAT Brands are Chairman of the Board, Andy Wiederhorn and Co Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer, Ken Kulick. This afternoon, the company made its Q2 2023 financial results publicly available. Please refer to the earnings release and earnings supplement, both of which are available in the Investors section of our website at www fatbrands.com. Each contain additional details about the Q2, which closed on June 25, 2023. But before we begin, I must remind everyone that part of the discussion today will include forward looking statements. Operator00:01:03These forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore, undue reliance should not be placed upon them. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward looking statements due to a number of risks and uncertainties. The company does not undertake to update these forward looking statements at a later date. For a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact future operating results and financial condition, Please see today's earnings release and recent SEC filings. During today's call, The company will discuss non GAAP financial measures, which it believes can be useful in evaluating its performance. Operator00:01:51The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation nor as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures are available in today's earnings release. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Andy Biederhorn, Chairman of the Board. Speaker 100:02:14Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone, and thank you all for joining us on the call today. Let me begin by thanking our teams, our franchisees and their employees for their hard work as we continue to grow FAT Brands. Total revenue grew $4,000,000 in the Q2 of 2023 to $106,800,000 compared to $102,800,000 in the prior year Q2. The increase was driven by a 5% increase in royalties, A 4.6% increase in company owned restaurant revenues and a 13% increase in revenues from our manufacturing facility. System wide sales grew to $572,700,000 a 1.7% increase when compared to the prior year quarter. Speaker 100:03:01Turning to profitability. Our 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was $23,100,000 compared to 29 point $5,000,000 in last year's quarter. Last year's adjusted EBITDA included a $10,100,000 benefit related to Employee retention credits. Excluding the impact of this benefit, adjusted EBITDA increased $3,700,000 or 19% from the $19,400,000 in Q2 of 2022. During the Q2, we continued to focus On our organic growth strategy, opening 25 new units, bringing our year to date openings to 66 locations. Speaker 100:03:44During the Q3, we plan to open over 35 units, of which 15 have already opened. For the full year, we are projected to open 175 new units, which is a 25% increase in new unit openings from 2022. We have capitalized on high demand for our brands in the market, signing franchise development deals for over 150 new locations so far this year, Bringing our pipeline to over 1100 signed agreements for new units over the next few years. This pipeline of organic growth is estimated to be worth approximately $60,000,000 in incremental adjusted EBITDA, bringing our total adjusted EBITDA to approximately $150,000,000 and naturally delevering our balance sheet. Also as previously announced, we plan to take Twin Peaks public in 2024. Speaker 100:04:38The timing and the size of the transaction will be subject to market conditions and other factors. While we see franchisee interest across our diversified portfolio of restaurant concepts, We remain especially focused on the expansion of the polished casual segment through Twin Peaks. Units continue to produce Industry leading average unit volumes of around $6,000,000 with some of our highest volume locations in Florida generating AUVs between $9,000,000 $12,000,000 These restaurants also have very strong margins. Since our acquisition in October of 2021, Twin Peaks footprint has continued to grow in both unit count and geographically and now operates in 27 states and 2 countries. During 2023, we plan to open 18 to 20 new lodges with 8 lodges opened to date, bringing the unit count to 103 so far. Speaker 100:05:31We expect to end the year with approximately 115 lodges, a nearly 40% increase in unit count since that brand's acquisition. Over the next several years, Twin Peaks plans to double its unit count to more than 200 lodges and increased the mix of franchise locations from 70% today to more than 80%. The planned unit growth is expected to increase system wide sales to approximately $1,000,000,000 Let's shift To our Burger Brands, where we are also seeing consistent growth. During the Q2, we opened a Fatburger in Greater Tampa, which is the first of 4 locations that we'll be opening in the area over the next 5 years. Additionally, we plan to open 10 locations in Orlando within the next 7 years with the first location slated to open by the end of the year. Speaker 100:06:18Johnny Rockets has also enjoyed continued growth around the globe with new locations in Arizona, Chile, Peru, India and multiple locations in the UAE. The brand also signed a development agreement to open 20 new franchise locations throughout Texas in the coming years. Great American Cookies continues to expand to new territories, most recently making its debut in the state of Alaska. We are also pleased to have hit a key growth milestone for the brand, our 4 100th location to date. Additionally, we opened our second Co branding is another key strategy to drive sales and leverage margins. Speaker 100:07:05This spring summer, we Signed several new development deals to open over 30 new co branded and franchised locations in Iraq. This deal includes 12 co branded Fatburger and Buffalo's Express locations, 10 co branded Great American Cookie and Marble Slab Creamery locations and 10 Hotdog on a Stick locations. They will open throughout the country outside of the Kurdistan region over the next 5 years with the first unit set to open in 2024. Currently, Fatburger has 4 units already operated in the Kurdistan region with a strong following there. In the coming months, we will also unveil the first Co branded Fatburger and Roundtable Pizza location in Texas. Speaker 100:07:44This is just the beginning of the growth that we anticipate for this first of a kind co branded concept. Our next area of focus is the growth of our manufacturing facility. As you know, our Georgia based manufacturing facility produces pretzel mix and cookie dough for several of our brands. We believe our factory business today is in its early stage of growth, operating at only about 40% to 45% of its capacity, up from 33% 2 years ago. To drive capacity at our plant, we've completed the introduction of cookie offerings at Elevation Burger and have begun to roll out cookies across our other burger brands in our portfolio, namely Johnny Rockets and Fatburger. Speaker 100:08:24The rollout is now complete in the key markets of Las Vegas and Los Angeles and the nationwide rollout for both brands should be complete by the end of the summer. During the Q2, our manufacturing facility generated $9,700,000 in sales, a 13% increase over last year's quarter. We are in the final stages of rebranding Nestle Toll House Cafe by Chips to Great American Cookies. As a reminder, in May of 2022, we acquired the Nestle Tollhouse Cafe by Chip franchise business. To date, we have converted over 50 stores to Great American Cookies And expect to complete the remaining conversions by late 2023. Speaker 100:09:02Now let us turn to FAT Brands' 2nd strategic pillar, Growth by acquisition. When evaluating potential acquisition targets, our focus remains on strategic acquisition opportunities of brands with High growth sports lodge category and would consider acquiring concepts with locations that can be converted into Twin We're also looking at other categories to round out our portfolio such as salad, sandwich or coffee brands. And finally, we continue to evaluate That will leverage our existing manufacturing capacity and will increase our EBITDA. As a result of our robust growth over the last several years, In June, we strengthened our leadership team with the promotion of Jen Johnston to CMO and added 2 new brand presidents. Prior to Jen's promotion, she was the President of our quick service division at FAT Brands. Speaker 100:09:57Her unique marketing and operations background will allow her to develop impactful campaigns that will increase brand visibility and drive profitable sales across our 17 concepts. We are excited to welcome Jen to the C Suite. As a result of this promotion, Alison Lowenstein now serves as the new Brand President of Great American Cookie, Marble Slab Creamery and Pretzel Maker. Allison brings over a decade of experience working with the respective brands having Previously served as Executive Vice President of Brand Operations and Marketing at Global Franchise Group. Prior to joining Global Franchise Group, Allison spent 13 years at Dunkin' and And Baskin Robbins in various leadership positions. Speaker 100:10:38Given Allison's track record with Great American Cookies, Marble Slab and Pretzel Maker, we expect her to provide great value to the brands that she is leading. David Pare was also hired to assume the role of Brand President at Roundtable Pizza. David brings to the company strong strategic insights from his diverse restaurant background. He most recently served as Vice President of Strategic Initiatives at Desert De Oro Foods, a multiunit franchise organization 360 restaurants including Taco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut, Whataburger, Dickies Barbecue Pit and Dave's Hot Chicken. Prior to that, David served As Senior Vice President of Operations at Del Taco, he brings experience from his time at Yum! Speaker 100:11:17Brands, Taco Bell and Domino's Pizza, where he led Operational transformation through a combination of key initiatives focused on culture, continuous improvement of operational elements and the elevation of the guest experience. Looking at our balance sheet, in July, we sold an aggregate principal amount of $100,580,000 $105,800,000 of new securitized notes with a 10% coupon rate of which 6% is paid current 4% is paid on the maturity date. We have a healthy liquidity position consisting of both cash And $156,100,000 of marketable securities in addition to the cash. These securities consist of bonds that were issued but not yet sold and bonds that we have repurchased, all of which are available for sale or resale to third party investors. Before we close, I would like to share an update on the Fat Brands Foundation and a new initiative that just kicked off. Speaker 100:12:17First, I would like to congratulate the Fat Brands Foundation Board for successfully launching the foundation for making an immediate impact only a few months in. To date, over 25 grants have been awarded to a wide range of non profit organizations in areas including food insecurity, mental health, education and more. What makes it even more rewarding is that the grants hit close to home all near FAT Brands locations. I'm also pleased to update you on FAT Brands commitment to DEI. Mark Avery was recently appointed to Senior Vice President, DEI in addition to his existing supply chain and global partnerships role. Speaker 100:12:53Under Mark's leadership and in partnership with Multicultural Food Service and Hospitality Alliance, MFHA, we have launched an IDEA Council, IDEA standing for inclusion, diversity, equity and accessibility. The council consists of 15 individuals, including support from our partner at PepsiCo. We look forward to sharing more updates on the work of the council in the coming months. Finally, I wanted to share that last month Marble Slab Creamery celebrated its 40th anniversary and was also named as a top dessert treat Chained by the USA Today. We're proud of the team for continuing the legacy of this brand and striving for outstanding achievements. Speaker 100:13:34In summary, the opportunities ahead for FAT Brands are considerable and we're well positioned for growth. FAT Brands is built on Providing an authentic superior dining experience, we have a seasoned senior leadership team coupled with a strong and dynamic brand management platform Capable of seamlessly and cost effectively integrating new brands, our healthy and growing development pipeline will fuel growth for many years to come and will naturally delever our balance sheet. We look forward to updating you on our progress on future calls. We sincerely appreciate you joining us today and for your interest in Dot Brands. With that, I would like to hand it over to Ken Kuok to talk about our financial highlights from the quarter. Speaker 200:14:13Thanks, Andy. Total revenue during the Q2 increased 3.9 percent to $106,800,000 driven by a 5% Increase in royalties, a 4.6% increase in company owned restaurant revenues and a 13% increase in revenues from our manufacturing Costs and expenses remained largely unchanged in the 2nd quarter, decreasing 1.4% from the year ago quarter. During the Q2 of 2022, we recognized $10,100,000 of employee retention tax credits, which was primarily reflected as a reduction to cost of restaurant and factory revenues. During the Q4 of 2022, We fully reserved the entire $22,000,000 of employee retention tax credits that we claimed during the year Until such time that it has been determined that we have reasonable assurance that the credits will be realized. During the Q2 of 2023, we reached that determination on a portion of the credits representing cash received from the IRS and reversed $12,700,000 of this reserve. Speaker 200:15:27For the Q2, all of this resulted in cost of restaurant revenues being $10,100,000 lower than normal in the Q2 of 2022 and general and administrative expense being $12,700,000 lower than normal in the Q2 of 2023. And it's important to note that the reversal of the reserve in the second General and administrative expense decreased to $9,900,000 in the 2nd quarter from $20,800,000 in the prior year period. Excluding the reversal of the $12,700,000 reserve I just referenced, general and administrative expense was 22 point Cost of restaurant and factory revenues increased to $59,500,000 in the Q2 of 2023 compared to $49,800,000 in the prior year quarter, driven by the $10,100,000 of employee retention tax credits recognized in the Q2 of last year. Depreciation and amortization expense increased to $7,100,000 in the 2nd quarter from $6,700,000 in the year ago quarter, primarily due to depreciation of new company owned restaurant property and equipment. Advertising expense was flat at $11,600,000 in both Q2 of this year prior year and advertising expenses vary in relation to advertising revenue. Speaker 200:17:17Author expense for the quarter was $24,200,000 compared to $21,600,000 in the year ago quarter and was primarily comprised of interest expense on our securitizations. Net loss for the quarter was $7,100,000 or $0.53 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $8,200,000 or $0.60 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. And on an as adjusted basis, our net income was $3,000,000 or $0.08 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $3,100,000 or $0.29 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. And with that Carolyn, please open the line for questions. Operator00:18:59The first question comes from Joe Gomes with NOBLE Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:19:06Good afternoon. Congrats on the quarter. Speaker 100:19:10Thank you, Joe. Speaker 200:19:11Thanks, Joe. Speaker 300:19:14So the first question I wanted to ask in terms of the openings during the quarter, you did 25. At the Q1 call, you had said you were projecting 45. So Just wanted to see what happened there. You've kept the full year guide at that $175,000,000 Speaker 200:19:35We're just wondering what happened in Speaker 300:19:36the quarter That came in at 25 as opposed to the projected 45. Speaker 100:19:42We thought we'd end the quarter around 80 units and we just had some slip into July August. We'll be at over 100 by the end of this month. So just a very Mild slippage. And the other thing about the quarter is that the quarter ended on June 25. And so there There's another week in June that some of the openings slipped into that last week of June and that's how that's why it's that big of a difference. Speaker 100:20:09We don't see a change in the full year. Speaker 300:20:13Okay. And I'm just going to ask, I I think last year there was some supply chain issues with getting equipment and everything. Does that have any role in some of the slippage? Speaker 100:20:26It's always an issue. It's not a huge issue anymore like it was before, but it is an issue. It's also just completing Just getting the managers hired and trained, we've seen that's the area that where you're feeling the most pressure is at the manager level today. It's not the line level worker, which Thank goodness there's plenty of again at A Price. Speaker 300:20:49Okay. Pardon me. One of the other goals, as you mentioned, is getting the utilization of the factory up and you've done a commendable job with that. One of the things last year you hired someone specifically to start going after third parties as opposed to in house. I was just wondering if you could give us a little color as to how that effort is progressing? Speaker 100:21:22You bet. We're just rounding the 1 year anniversary of that Strategic initiatives and there's 2 elements to it. 1 is rolling out the cookies and pretzel program across as many of our brands as we can And that's going to see an uptick in utilization over the coming rest of the year. Plus we also have this 1100 store pipeline now and many of those new restaurants will be selling cookies and pretzels as well as whatever else they're selling. So that's going to chew up a bunch of Capacity as those restaurants open. Speaker 100:21:53In terms of 3rd party contracting, we've entered into several We're in negotiations with several different groups about producing cookie dough or pretzel mix for them. And it's really Just trying to carefully balance our margin on that production. We have a very high margin producing for our own brands with the quality of the ingredient and the Wholesale pricing that we can offer our franchisees is a very, very healthy margin in the 30% range or more For cookie dough and pretzel mix. And some of the 3rd party manufacturing has some of those contracts have like a 10% margin. So we don't want to use up Capacity for low profit business when we can save it for more of our own business or a richer, better 3rd party contracts. Speaker 100:22:42So we're just trying to be thoughtful about which contracts we enter into. There are plenty of them out there. Speaker 300:22:49Okay. Thanks for that. And you mentioned the recent debt raise. Maybe give us a little color on your thoughts on the uses of some of that cash that was been raised. You didn't haven't mentioned anything about the preferreds that were up for redemption. Speaker 300:23:11I think there's roughly $90,000,000 of that left. Any thought on maybe paying off those preferreds or do you have other Intentions for that for the cash that was raised. Speaker 100:23:27Right. So we did raise a fair amount of additional Cash just to have a ton of liquidity going into the second half of the year and being well positioned for anything that comes along. In addition to that, we now have $156,000,000 of marketable securities of bonds that we can trade with. And it's certainly our intention to sell some of those bonds over the balance of the year. We are in Discussions with some of the preferred shareholders and these are private equity firms that we bought brands from. Speaker 100:24:01This is not the same holders that are like publicly traded preferred shareholders, where we have a different obligation to the private equity firms to ultimately buy back some of that preferred At some point in time. And we are in negotiations with them. We'll see if we get something done. Alternatively, We'll sell the bonds, raise some cash and buy back that preferred that we're obligated to redeem in the long run. There's a lot of different options for liquidity for us. Speaker 100:24:29And so we're Trying to just as quickly as possible reduce that preferred dividend expense and the cost of capital From the bond position is far less than from the preferred, so we're eager to retire that if we can. Speaker 300:24:46Okay. And then notice going through the release, litigation costs have increased Substantially, I think, they're roughly running $7,000,000 a quarter in the first two This year, which is kind of double what they were in 2022. Any expectations that those should start To come down and we've seen the peak, do we think they're going to go higher? Just your best guess, Andy. Speaker 100:25:19Yes, they are coming down. There was a lot of activity in Q1 and some of that got billed in Q2 from responding some of the litigation and motions and meetings and things like that, we're certainly hoping that this goes away during the balance of the year, very hard to tell if it spills into next year. We are pursuing claims against our insurance carriers for reimbursement of that litigation expense and we hope to Ultimately prevail on that and recover a significant amount of that. Speaker 300:25:50Okay, great. Thanks, Matt. I'll get back in queue and let someone else ask a couple of questions. Thank you, Joe. Operator00:26:00The next question comes with Alton Stump with Loop Capital. Joe, please go ahead. Speaker 400:26:06Great. Thanks, Andy and Cat for taking my questions. Just wanted to ask I guess, first off, you mentioned, obviously, the opportunity to convert potentially convert assets that you would purchase It's the Twin Peaks models. Just given the current landscape, there's obviously been a while of course, smaller players have had to close their doors last 12 months Coming out of the pandemic, any kind of ballpark number as to what percentage ish of your future builds Do you think for Twin Peaks in particular could come from conversions as opposed to having to build your own restaurants? Speaker 100:26:43Yes, I think it could be to answer you very directly, it could be somewhere between a third 50% in the next Few years, it's something that we're very, very focused on because it will accelerate the opening of those new stores by A year and a half or so, meaning that it takes almost 2.5 years to find a location, build it, get it open with permitting and things like that, maybe permitting improves, but we haven't And we've done a bunch of conversions in the past quite successfully, a whole bunch of them in the Twin Peaks portfolio. And we think it'll dramatically accelerate the opening. So I would see if that 110 or 15 store pipeline that Twin Peaks has today out of that 1100 total pipeline, I would see probably a third to 50% of that to be conversions over the next 2 or 3 years. And we have our eye on a number of those And we hope to announce those in the near future. Speaker 400:27:46Great. Thanks so much for that color. Very, very helpful. And I want to ask Just going back to Twin Peaks, obviously, came out in early June with the plans for it to go public. I presume that the bulk of those Potential proceeds would be used to pay down debt. Speaker 400:28:00Is that your main goal once this if it does go through at some point in 2024? Speaker 100:28:08Yes, there would be a substantial pay down of debt on the FAT Brands side and then there would be money used to develop Additional stores for Twin Peaks on the corporate side, still maintaining a very heavy balance of franchise to company owned stores. Speaker 400:28:23Got it. Great. And then, I guess, the last thing and I'll hop back in the queue if anybody else has questions. But just kind of the overall competitive landscape, You guys have 17 brands, I'm sure seeing a lot of different things in different markets. But given that we're coming off industry high pricing over the last 18 months for good reason, Had to be taken because of it was 4 year high inflation. Speaker 400:28:44But now that we're starting to get, it feels like into a bit more moderate Input costs, inflationary environment, how do you think your concepts respond to that from a competitive standpoint? Speaker 100:28:58Well, it's really an interesting question because it's very different brand by brand and a little spotty even within categories. We are seeing commodity costs come down a little bit, not tons, but definitely a little bit, which is helping with restaurant level margins and We're not really feeling the pressure to continue to take price at this point like we have done before. We are trying to manage the menu mix to utilize The best margin we can realize the best margin we can, if at all possible in terms of what we specialize in selling on an LTO basis or things like that. But it is different month by month and quarter by quarter across the category. So fast casual, we've seen some lumpiness where sales Sales have been soft, sales have rallied. Speaker 100:29:45Same thing on the polished side. Now, something to note during the summer for the sports bars, there's not a ton of Sports on, like there is once football gets going and then basketball is going again and so on. So we're really in that those dog days this summer for just another Couple of weeks, more UFC fights, things like that. But we'll get that behind us very quickly here and football should just be rocking. And that also helps the casual dining Category because those restaurants are 25% alcohol and people are going into the casual dining restaurants to watch sports just like they're going in And so we're very excited about getting back into the swing of that whole thing. Speaker 400:30:21Got it. Great. Thanks so much. I appreciate your time. Speaker 100:30:23Thank you. Operator00:30:28Thank you all. The next question comes with Roger Lipton with Lipton Financial. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:30:35Yes. Good afternoon. Speaker 100:30:39Just a couple of Speaker 500:30:39follow-up Questions on Joe and the gentleman from Loop. What was the cash prior to the raising the $105,000,000 What was the this cash on the balance sheet as of the end of the quarter? You would have that number handy. Speaker 200:30:57Hi, Joe. Hey, it's Ken. It's $31,000,000 in unrestricted cash at Speaker 400:31:02the end of Speaker 200:31:02the quarter approximately prior to the Speaker 100:31:06Right. And where? Plus there's also new the new cash rates, but also receivables for additional ERC credits. So those are U. S. Speaker 100:31:16Government receivables. Speaker 500:31:18Okay. And where on the financials do we see the 156 of Marketable securities. Speaker 200:31:30Yes. Joe, it's Ken again. You won't see it on the balance sheet. So it was issued by us and owned by us. So from a consolidated financial statement perspective, you will not see it. Speaker 100:31:41Right. It also was issued after the quarter end. Speaker 400:31:44That's correct. Speaker 500:31:46The one that you Speaker 100:31:46see is Nick. Yes, it was issued in July. So you won't see it on the balance sheet of this quarter, but you will Yes, footnote and reference it as a subsequent event. Speaker 500:31:56I see. So it won't show up in the cash or in the payable. It will be just netted out The 0 up, it will be shown in the footnote. Speaker 400:32:03Correct. Speaker 500:32:04Got it. And relative to Twin Peaks, which is of great interest to everybody, Have the size of the stores changed at all as the system builds out? The volumes are much higher. Are the stores getting any larger or not? And what kind of what is the I know the cost of building stores Must vary a great deal depending on whether it's specially built or renovation, but what's the ballpark if you wanted to build the new Twin Peaks In a mall, for instance. Speaker 100:32:38So the size of the stores have gotten bigger whenever we wherever we As we talk about average unit volumes of $6,000,000 store and then we talk about like Florida where we're seeing $9,000,000 to $12,000,000 a store, they're just Outstanding. Now part of that's the weather and accessibility to outdoor dining. We have patios and wherever we can build a second bar In one of the Twin Peaks restaurants, we're getting the opportunity to do that. That just means we have more throughput and on large sporting event days or nights, we can handle more guests. So we want to build larger restaurants. Speaker 100:33:14In the fast casual business, you want to build smaller restaurants. In the polished casual business, you want to build bigger Because if you can manage the throughput, you really take advantage of that and especially having a second bar. Speaker 500:33:29And typically, what am I if I'm a twin piece franchisee, what am I thinking about investing as I Where I am acknowledging that it can vary a great deal. But what's it going to go up to $5,000,000 to build a store? Speaker 100:33:43So If you're able to buy the real estate, you might pay $2,000,000 for the real estate $5,000,000 or $5,500,000 To build the building on the real estate, so $7,500,000 You could then do if you want a sale leaseback of some kind and get out Maybe $5,000,000 and then you can even finance your equipment and take out another $1,000,000 So really, you might have 1,500,000 And at the end of the day, if you want to finance your project and you're going to make knock on wood, you might make $1,000,000 a year. So depending on your margin. So Very, very good cash on cash return, but that all depends on all of the variables we just discussed. Right. It also depends on the wages in the state you're operating in, right? Speaker 100:34:27Texas or Florida versus California is a big difference. Speaker 500:34:31Well, there's a lineup for franchisees and they're voting with their feet in terms of the expected returns. So I understand it could vary a great deal in terms of how the stores are financed, but It wouldn't be coming to these stores if the returns were an outstanding. Speaker 100:34:49So I think it's amazing, Roger, that we've grown this brand 40% already in 2 years And it's poised to grow by another 100%. We've grown it we will have grown it by the end of the year from 83 original stores to 115 units There's another 115 already sold. So this brand is going to double again and why it's a great IPO story. Speaker 500:35:12Right. We'll look forward to that. Thanks very much. Speaker 100:35:15Thank you. Operator00:35:19Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would like to invite Mr. Fiederhorn to proceed with his closing statements. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:35:30I want to thank all of you for your interest in FAT Brands and attending our conference call. Thank you, operator. We can cancel the rest of Operator00:35:43Thank you. That does conclude the FAT Brands audio conference for today. Thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a good day.Read morePowered by