NASDAQ:MNTX Manitex International Q2 2023 Earnings Report Earnings HistoryForecast Manitex International EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.08Consensus EPS $0.06Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/AManitex International Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$73.53 millionExpected Revenue$71.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.53 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AManitex International Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/3/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, August 3, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsManitex International's next earnings date is estimated for Wednesday, April 30, 2025, based on past reporting schedules. Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Manitex International Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Manitex International Second Quarter of 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Operator00:00:32Paul Bartley. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:40Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Manifex International's 2nd quarter 2023 results conference call. Leading the call today are CEO, Michael Coffey and CFO, Joseph Dewan. We issued a press release earlier today detailing our Q2 operational and financial results. This release, together with accompanying presentation materials, are publicly available in the Investor Relations section of our corporate website at www.manitexinternational.com. Speaker 100:01:12I would like to remind you that management's commentary and responses to questions on today's conference call may include forward looking statements, which by their nature are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Although these forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, Actual results could differ materially. For a discussion of some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ, please refer to the Risk Factors section of our latest filings with the SEC. Additionally, please note that you can find reconciliations of historical non GAAP financial measures and the press release issued earlier today and in the appendix of this presentation. Today's call will begin with prepared remarks from CEO, Michael Coffey, We'll provide a review of our recent business performance, including an update on the progress we have made on our new Elevating Excellence initiative, followed by a financial update and outlook from our CFO, Joseph Doolin. Speaker 100:02:07At the conclusion of these prepared remarks, we will open the line for your questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike. Speaker 200:02:16Thank you, Paul, and good morning to everyone joining us on the call today. Please turn your attention to Page 3 of our presentation, where we will begin with a discussion of our 2nd quarter results. Our team delivered another quarter of strong financial performance, highlighted by solid organic growth in both lifting equipment and rental, Continued margin expansion and further execution against our elevating excellence value creation initiative. Demand is trending favorably across the end markets, contributing to continued new order momentum in the second quarter, with backlog increasing above prior year level. While backlog growth did decline modestly from the Q1, This is largely due to the timing of orders and improved manufacturing output. Speaker 200:03:112nd quarter revenue increased 6% versus last year, driven by organic growth in both lifting and rentals. As was the case last quarter, 2nd quarter revenue was impacted by a decline in pass through sales of truck chassis. This is, however, a positive indicator of our overall improved manufacturing output, while aiding our overall margins. Lower chassis sales will continue through the remainder of the year, which will benefit gross margin as a result, given the low generated margin on these sales. Demand for our lifting equipment products has remained strong in both North America and Europe, largely driven by key end markets such as infrastructure, Energy, Electrical Distribution and General Construction. Speaker 200:04:09Much of the new order intake is believed to be directly or indirectly related to increased infrastructure and energy related activity. Our rental segment reported Another strong result during the Q2, including the contributions from our recently opened branch in Lubbock, Texas. This brings our total branch count to 4 locations and now gives us access to a larger customer base And larger market. Construction activity in North Texas remains robust, driven by strong backlog of infrastructure, Commercial and industrial projects that are bolstering demand for our fleet of specialty rental focused equipment. During the Q2, we progressed on our productivity and efficiency initiatives. Speaker 200:05:04This is evidenced by our year over year margin improvement. Critical progress was made In throughput efficiencies, particularly at our Italian operations and strong margin realization in our rental business, where we are already seeing efficiency gains from our new ERP system. In North America, Manufacturing process improvement initiatives remained on schedule. These efforts, however, were hampered by lingering supply chain headwinds during the quarter. We are working hard to improve our manufacturing throughput in North America and we expect improved results in the coming quarters. Speaker 200:05:48Despite these challenges, our 2nd quarter gross margin was 20.3%, up 2 50 basis points from the Q2 last year. Our gross margin did decline sequentially. However, this was largely a result of an impact of higher steel prices, which were up nearly 30% in the early part of the year. We have put in place Product surcharges to offset these costs and have also implemented price increases on new orders, which will begin to benefit gross margins in the back half of the year. As announced today, we reported 2nd quarter EBITDA of $6,800,000 which is up 32% from last year, bringing our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA to a run rate of more than $26,000,000 annually. Speaker 200:06:43This reflects a $16,000,000 adjusted EBITDA improvement over the prior 12 month period. Our 2nd quarter EBITDA margin of 9.3% was up 180 basis points from last year. We remain encouraged by the progress on our operating efficiency initiatives and remain confident that we are well on track to achieve our longer term margin goal of between 300 and 500 basis points of EBITDA margin improvement by 2025. Demand trends continue to be supportive of our lifting equipment products and customer sentiment remains positive. Our dealers are experiencing impacts of higher interest rates and associated operating costs, yet report Record high fleet utilization and high customer demand. Speaker 200:07:45North American construction is Strengthening due to the stimulus dollars from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. And it's important to note That the stimulus is benefiting markets outside of traditional roads and bridges and impacts markets such as electrical transmission and distribution. The broader energy sector in this area is a strength for Manitex and should be important as a positive driver for our business going forward. An Energy Research Group at Princeton estimates that domestic electricity demand will increase by nearly 40% by the year 2,035. This is due in large part to the increased penetration of electric vehicles. Speaker 200:08:32Many believe this will put a strain on our national aged electric grid. The California Public Utilities Commission estimates that California alone will need to spend US50 $1,000,000,000 This should result in continued strength in electrical, transmission and distribution markets for years to come And our lifting products are ideally suited to support the upgrade of our nation's electrical grid. We are also fortunate to have just released the SE electric crane boom truck, A product enhancement we expect to be favored by electric, electric transmission and distribution contractors. Similarly, our international markets are also strong with infrastructure spending being a key driver in Europe. The European Union unveiled infrastructure investment strategy aimed at investing 300,000,000,000 euros by 2027, of which €135,000,000,000 is slated for infrastructure projects. Speaker 200:09:51We also continue to see benefits from the global demand for minerals such as copper, driving capital goods spend in mining maintenance activities in markets in South America. While we are not immune to macroeconomic forces, We remain encouraged by our favorable demand tailwinds across the globe for our products. Overall, Our backlog ended the quarter at $223,000,000 with 56% slated for North American sales and 44% slated for international sales. Last quarter, we unveiled our new strategy called Elevating Excellence. This is a multiyear business transformation initiative designed to drive targeted commercial expansion and sustained productivity improvements across the organization. Speaker 200:10:49As a reminder, Elevating Excellence is a focus on targeted commercial expansion, Sustained operational excellence and disciplined capital allocation. I am very proud of the progress that we've already made since we've rolled out this strategy, which is evidenced in our recent margin performance. An overview of Elevating Excellence can be found on Pages 4 through 7 of our presentation. I'd like to highlight some of the progress we've made against these key initiatives during the Q2. Firstly, let's have a look at our commercial growth strategy. Speaker 200:11:33A key component of our targeted commercial expansion strategy is market share growth as we focus on leveraging our leadership in straight mast cranes to grow articulated cranes, Industrial Lifting and Aerial Work Platform sales through North America. An important driver of this initiative, One critical to our overall strategy is the support and partnership of our dealership network. One of these dealers is ABM Equipment of Hopkins, Minnesota, which recently joined Manitex as a new dealer 1 year ago. ABM provides lifting solutions to customers in Minnesota and the Upper Midwest. They specialize in general construction support as well as wind energy generation construction projects. Speaker 200:12:28ABM has quickly made significant investments in our products, including an order for 10 50 ton truck mounted cranes. Manitex looks forward to continuing in its partnership with ABM and other dealers to execute on This commercial growth strategy. I'd like to take a moment to recognize the importance of our dealer partners. Other manufacturers in our industry have implemented a go direct strategy, bypassing the dealer and building their own rental fleet to service the market. We are taking a different approach, seeking to support strong local levels of service and support and leverage the trust and customer experience our dealers have built over decades. Speaker 200:13:19We aren't selling a product that can be repaired and maintained with a flash update over the Internet, And we are grateful for the expertise and care and local commitments of our dealer partners. The second part of our strategy centers on enhancing our operating performance. This is the 5th earnings report that I've issued since joining Manitex. The management team has delivered Year over year improvements in all five quarters. We are proud of the significant progress made addressing operational improvements. Speaker 200:13:57Yet we believe we are in the early innings of our transformation and there remains considerable opportunities for further improvement. We recently committed the upgrade of our ERP systems with the installation of our new manufacturing ERP system for our European businesses. This follows the upgrade of our Rental Solutions ERP system, which was completed at the end of 2022. Both of these investments are integral to our process improvement initiative. The investments were made to enable our ability to The 3rd and final initiative of our plan is a focus on disciplined capital allocation. Speaker 200:14:49As we have discussed in 2023, our capital allocation will continue to prioritize debt reduction, Select investments in organic growth and maintenance capital to support our existing operations. Our short term goal is to lower our net leverage ratio below 3 times. We made further progress during the Q2 driven by our strong operating results with our net leverage ratio Climbing to 3.3x as of June 30, down from 3.9x@yearend. We expect our strong operating results and working capital focus in the back half of the year to allow us to drive leverage toward our target. As part of our elevating excellence strategy, we introduced 3 year financial targets that reflect our confidence in the underlying strength of our end markets coupled with our commercial and operational benefits we expect to generate through our strategic initiatives. Speaker 200:15:59These objectives can be found on Page 8 of our presentation. While there's a lot of hard work left to do, we believe we remain on the right track to achieve these targets. Before I turn the call over to Joe, allow me to provide a few concluding remarks around our outlook for 2023. Customer demand has remained strong through July, and the team continues to make meaningful progress on our strategic initiatives. Our priorities for 2023 remain focused on putting the processes and systems in place to build a platform for growth, while reducing our financial leverage through improved operating performance and debt reduction. Speaker 200:16:47Given our solid first half results, favorable end market trends and sustained margin improvements, We believe Manitex is on track to deliver low double digit adjusted EBITDA growth in 2023. I will now turn it over to Joe for a detailed review of our results. Speaker 300:17:08Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. I will provide some additional details on the quarter, give an update on our liquidity and balance sheet and conclude with commentary around our outlook for 2023. Turning to Slide 11. Net revenue for the Q2 of 2023 was 73,500,000 up 5.7% compared to the same period last year, driven by contributions from the Rayburn Rentals acquisition, which was completed in April of 2022, along with growth in our lifting equipment business. 2nd quarter revenue growth was negatively impacted by a decline of $2,600,000 Approximately 4% of lower truck chassis sales, which are largely pass through revenue items, We expect full year 2023 chassis sales to decline relative to last year, which will be a headwind to reported sales growth. Speaker 300:18:03As a reminder, the sales decline will have a limited impact on our gross profit dollars, but will benefit the gross margin percentage for the full year of 2023. Lifting Equipment segment revenue was $66,300,000 during the 2nd quarter, an increase of 4.6% versus the prior year period. As I just discussed, lower truck chassis sales impacted 2nd quarter results and Lifting Equipment segment revenue increased nearly 9%, excluding the chassis sales. Lifting equipment revenue growth was driven by Rental Equipment segment revenue was $7,300,000 in the Q2 of 2023, supported by strong end market demand In key North Texas markets, including a full quarter of contribution from our Lubbock, Texas location, which opened in March of 2023. Momentum is continuing to build from expansion of the Lubbock facility and volumes have been strong in recent months. Speaker 300:19:11The rental business benefited from the deployment of new rental fleet acquired in 2022 and market share gains in its Texas market. As of June 23, backlog was $223,200,000 up 4.4% from a year ago, driven by continued favorable trends in key end markets in North America. Backlog in our U. S.-based straight mast Crane business was up 12% from the prior year, while backlog for articulated cranes increased 9%. Our backlog did decline from the Q1, largely reflecting the increased manufacturing throughput Mike discussed as well as order timing. Speaker 300:19:55Gross profit was $14,900,000 during the Q2 of 2023, up from $12,400,000 during the prior year period or an increase of 21%. The increase in gross profit was a result of contributions from Raybern, Organic growth in both rental and lifting equipment as well as benefits from our operational improvement initiatives. As a result of these factors, gross profit margin increased 250 basis points to 20.3% during the 2nd quarter. As Mike discussed, rising steel prices were a headwind during the quarter and contributed to a sequential decline in gross profit margin from the Q1. We have successfully implemented surcharges and price increases on new orders and expect these measures to benefit gross margins in the coming quarters. Speaker 300:20:48SG and A expense for the Q2 of 2023 was $10,800,000 compared to $11,400,000 for the comparable period last year. The decrease was primarily a result of some one time costs incurred last year related to the Rayburn transaction and restructuring activities. R and D expense was $800,000 during the Q2, up modestly from $700,000 during the same period last year. Operating income was $3,300,000 during the Q2 compared to a loss of $1,700,000 for the same period last year. Operating margin in the Q2 of 2023 was 4.5%. Speaker 300:21:29The year over year improvement in operating income was driven by the contribution from Rayburn, organic revenue growth in both segments and our improved gross profit margin in addition to the one time costs incurred last year. Adjusted EBITDA was $6,800,000 for the 2nd quarter or 9.3 percent of sales compared to $5,200,000 or 7.4 percent of sales for the same period last year. Net income was $500,000 or $0.02 per diluted share for the 2nd quarter compared to a net loss of $2,100,000 or $0.10 per diluted share for the same period last year. Adjusted net income was $1,700,000 or $0.08 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2023, up from adjusted net income of $900,000 or $0.05 per diluted share for the same period last year. Adjusted net income for the Q2 of 2023 excludes $600,000 of stock compensation expense and $700,000 of other non recurring expenses. Speaker 300:22:36Now turning to our balance sheet on Slide 12. As of June 30, net debt was $87,800,000 which is up from the end of the Q1 due to normal seasonal working capital uses and some modest inventory growth in Italy due to the recent ERP system migration. As a result of the strong operating results, net leverage improved to 3.3 times at the end of the Q2 of 2023 compared to 3.9 times at the end of the Q4 of 2022. As of June 30, Total cash and available liquidity was $31,000,000 As Mike detailed, we remain confident in our ability to achieve our targeted EBITDA growth In the low double digit range during 2023 as compared to the $21,300,000 in adjusted EBITDA we reported in 2022. Our target is supported by continued new order momentum, optimism on end market trends as well as expected margin improvements resulting from our elevating excellence initiatives. Speaker 300:23:43That completes our prepared remarks. Operator, we are now ready for the question and answer portion of our call. Operator00:23:53Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Matt Koranda, Rose Capital Partners. Speaker 400:24:34Hey, guys. Good morning. Just wanted to touch on the new order commentary that you talked about in the I think you said down year over year in the second quarter, but then you saw some larger orders come through After the quarter ended, I assume that would be in the July timeframe. Maybe could you discuss the seasonality of order flow this year And just what you saw after the quarter closed in terms of bookings? Speaker 200:25:05Yes. Hey, Matt, good to talk to you. Good morning. This is Mike Coughlin. So yes, it was more or less a timing issue where we got obviously orders in June and we're happy with The results there, but there were some pending orders that carried over into July. Speaker 200:25:26And we're early in the season at this stage. So the Q2 and Q3 are typically good in North America, a little bit weaker in Europe because of The August holiday season. But what we're seeing is the larger dealers are actually placing stock orders For 2024, specifically Q2 and Q3 of last year. So generally, we saw that as positive And we're pretty optimistic. Our customers remain optimistic going forward. Speaker 400:26:03Okay. And then any breakdown in the current backlog between sort of products, if you could comment on the mix that you're seeing, Whether that be the breakdown between straight mass versus knuckle boom or just general size dynamics Of the backlog to give us a little bit of flavor of what that looks like. Speaker 200:26:24Yes. Well, I tell you the biggest change for us and we see this as a Positive is that our strategy is calling for favorite end market partners in North America. So the European business is moving along nicely. We're doing really well in the mining area of South America, Which is fantastic for articulated booms. But what's happening is we're seeing more of the end deliveries occur in North America And that's by design. Speaker 200:26:57And so, you remember, we want to drive articulated or knuckle boom Activity in North America in a much bigger way. And so Joe was indicating that we're looking at backlog roughly about a 56.44 ratio. The output has remained consistent with one exception. We actually were able to move our production levels up in Europe during the first and second quarter. So supply chains have eased there a little bit. Speaker 200:27:33There's less drama with regard to energy. And we're really, really pleased With the production capacity in Italy this year, that's going to help us feed the future growth that we want to do in North America. So it's in general, the ratios haven't changed dramatically. What is changing is the end market Exposure. And again, that's by design. Speaker 200:27:58We want to see more of our products find a home in North America going forward. Speaker 400:28:06Okay. And then is it possible for you guys to elaborate on the supply chain issues that you felt in the quarter? I know you mentioned steel costs expanded, but any other like component availability issues or any supply chain issues that we should be Thinking about the constraints of production? Speaker 200:28:27Yes. It was unusual, Matt, that we actually called out Steel pricing as a culprit, but that's what happened, honestly. So we buy several grades of steel, plate steel, fabricated steel, etcetera, Rolled steel. A couple of the categories just had a tremendous increase and we were not able to Offset that and or find an alternative supplier to not incur that cost in the first That happened in North America. We did not see that in Italy. Speaker 200:29:02We saw that as an issue with the mini mills. And if you look up Rolled steel commodity prices, you'll see a 29% increase from about February to May. Thankfully, that appears to be stabilizing. We did have to offset that with some surcharges. The customers understood What was happening, but it also delayed some of our production. Speaker 200:29:28With regard to generalized supplier, there's still issues. We are not dealing with an efficient supply chain overall. But what has changed is we found Methods to address that and in some cases, as you can see from the balance sheet, we've actually brought Some temporary working capital stock up to keep production moving in the right direction. So dynamically, that's what we dealt with in the quarter. We think that's a temporary issue. Speaker 200:30:00We found a workaround. And I would say that overall, the supply chain that we're dealing with has improved and in particular, the Manitex team Has done a very good job finding a way to both schedule around and find alternate suppliers. Speaker 400:30:22Okay. That's helpful. Just on the surcharges that you put in place, Maybe could you talk about the timing of when those were put in place in the Q2? I guess, why didn't they fully offset the price increase? I'm Imagining it's just the timing and the magnitude issue of the steel surcharge. Speaker 400:30:41But then how do we think about it for Q3 and sort of the recovery there and lifting gross margin? Speaker 200:30:48Yes, the charges went in place in June and they went in place for open orders. And then as is typical, we Adjust pricing in June for new orders. So new orders that we've received have adjusted pricing for next year. We did Have surcharges that varied by content and exposure. And honestly, we worked we're fortunate to have exceptional dealers that understand some of these challenges. Speaker 200:31:21In some cases, they had as sold units. They weren't going into their fleets. They were sold. And we made adjustments To accommodate that, so it's not a full recovery by any means, but we are expecting improved profitability going forward because of these charges and quite frankly because of the work that we're doing with the suppliers to adjust costs or find alternate supplies. Speaker 400:31:48Okay. All right. That's great. And then just shifting over to Rayburn, just wanted to see if maybe you guys could Comment a little bit more on the opening progress in Lubbock, maybe where you are in utilization and just thoughts around And in that region, as it pertains to the expansion at RiverFront? Speaker 200:32:08Yes, I appreciate the question. So let me just a quick refresher. The way to think about Lubbock Is Lubbock is about 130% of the size of Amarillo and Amarillo is our base, our home operation. So first thing to know about Lubbock is we are about 4 months delayed in opening just due to construction delays And various challenges that contractors are dealing with these days. But the opening has gone exceptionally well. Speaker 200:32:41Although we're behind in our schedule, the revenue projections are coming in exactly where we wanted them. We're thinking that the business may actually close above forecast this year. Customer sentiment has been very positive. But we have our eyes wide open. We're going we're the new kids in the market and we need to prove ourselves as The better supplier for the contractor, but thus far, it's working out really, really quite nice. Speaker 200:33:15The overall fleet utilization has held steady or improved over the last year and that's also a good So we're really pleased with how Lubbock is coming together. Speaker 400:33:26Okay, great. And then just How do we think about expansion at Rayburn like in a broader way after Lubbock is sort of up to speed and fully utilized? Are there incremental locations we should be thinking about? What's the thought process for expansion on that front? Speaker 200:33:50We have some interesting markets that we have been studying that we're excited about. At this stage, we're not ready to expand, but the Rayburn model is perfect for markets this size. Rayburn, we're competing in a very as you know, the North American Market has had a very robust few years. The projections are strong and the competitors that are in that space are Significant. We're operating in smaller markets where we can differentiate ourselves very nicely. Speaker 200:34:29We bring a high level of service to bear for our customers, And that's really paying dividends. And the good news is there are a great many smaller markets That we believe are underserved and ripe for Rayburn. We're just not ready to pull the trigger there. We want to prove to our investors that this investment is working, Get a good foundation laid in Lubbock and then look at other markets. But The supposition that we can do this in other locations is 100% correct, and that's one of the reasons we like Rayburn. Speaker 400:35:07Okay, excellent. Maybe just last one for me. On the low double digit EBITDA growth commentary for the full year, just want to check-in on sort of what that implies for the back half of the year, because like there's a range, I guess, In terms of low double digit and what that would imply on the lower end of low double digit, it would suggest that you're kind of maybe flat to Down on adjusted EBITDA in the back half of this year. But just wanted to give you the opportunity to maybe talk about how you're thinking about The growth in the back half specifically on adjusted EBITDA? Speaker 200:35:44Yes. This is one that let me own this Myself, the reality is that we're already running at our projection. We just we closed TTM at 26 +1000000. I guess if I'm going to be faulted, we're going to be faulted on being more conservative in our growth. The reality is We're looking very optimistic at our future and our ability to continue to perform. Speaker 200:36:18You may remember in December of last year, as we closed out The year we achieved 1 quarter of 10% adjusted EBITDA and that's been a long standing objective before I came to Manitex, Something that we wanted to achieve. And we finally got there, but we also offered some guidance. Listen, we're going to be at the 10%. We're going to dip down and head back up again because we're improving this company and it's a transformation effort that will take some time. But I can tell you unequivocally, the foundation is laid, the management team is doing very, very good work. Speaker 200:36:56They're transforming the business quite nicely. So in fairness, Matt, we're being perhaps too conservative in our approach. And we're not I think there's a tremendous opportunity toward the second half of next Into next year, we're just you and I are still getting no I guess I'm just too conservative. Forgive me for that. Speaker 400:37:25Yes, conservative is okay in our book here. I'll turn it over to someone else here. Thank you. Thanks, Mike. Speaker 200:37:30All right. Thanks, Matt. Thanks very much. Appreciate the question. Operator00:37:39There are no further questions At this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to Michael Coffey for closing comments. Speaker 200:37:49Thank you very much, operator, and thank you to our investors for joining the call and for your interest in Manitex. We appreciate that very much. Just a quick announcement. We're fortunate that we'll be participating in several investor events in the coming months, Including the Northland Capital Markets Conference, September 19, and also D. A. 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Email Address About Manitex InternationalManitex International (NASDAQ:MNTX) provides engineered lifting solutions in the United States, Italy, Canada, Chile, France, and internationally. The company designs, manufactures, and distributes products that are used in various industries. It also offers boom trucks, truck cranes, and sign cranes products primarily for use in industrial projects, energy exploration, and infrastructure development comprising roads, bridges, and commercial construction; and truck-mounted aerial platforms. In addition, the company manufactures and sells rough terrain cranes and material handling products; and truck mounted hydraulic knuckle boom cranes; and rents light and heavy-duty commercial construction equipments. It also sells its products through dealers and rental distribution channel. The company was formerly known as Veri-Tek International, Corp. and changed its name to Manitex International, Inc. in May 2008. 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There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Manitex International Second Quarter of 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Operator00:00:32Paul Bartley. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:40Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Manifex International's 2nd quarter 2023 results conference call. Leading the call today are CEO, Michael Coffey and CFO, Joseph Dewan. We issued a press release earlier today detailing our Q2 operational and financial results. This release, together with accompanying presentation materials, are publicly available in the Investor Relations section of our corporate website at www.manitexinternational.com. Speaker 100:01:12I would like to remind you that management's commentary and responses to questions on today's conference call may include forward looking statements, which by their nature are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Although these forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, Actual results could differ materially. For a discussion of some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ, please refer to the Risk Factors section of our latest filings with the SEC. Additionally, please note that you can find reconciliations of historical non GAAP financial measures and the press release issued earlier today and in the appendix of this presentation. Today's call will begin with prepared remarks from CEO, Michael Coffey, We'll provide a review of our recent business performance, including an update on the progress we have made on our new Elevating Excellence initiative, followed by a financial update and outlook from our CFO, Joseph Doolin. Speaker 100:02:07At the conclusion of these prepared remarks, we will open the line for your questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike. Speaker 200:02:16Thank you, Paul, and good morning to everyone joining us on the call today. Please turn your attention to Page 3 of our presentation, where we will begin with a discussion of our 2nd quarter results. Our team delivered another quarter of strong financial performance, highlighted by solid organic growth in both lifting equipment and rental, Continued margin expansion and further execution against our elevating excellence value creation initiative. Demand is trending favorably across the end markets, contributing to continued new order momentum in the second quarter, with backlog increasing above prior year level. While backlog growth did decline modestly from the Q1, This is largely due to the timing of orders and improved manufacturing output. Speaker 200:03:112nd quarter revenue increased 6% versus last year, driven by organic growth in both lifting and rentals. As was the case last quarter, 2nd quarter revenue was impacted by a decline in pass through sales of truck chassis. This is, however, a positive indicator of our overall improved manufacturing output, while aiding our overall margins. Lower chassis sales will continue through the remainder of the year, which will benefit gross margin as a result, given the low generated margin on these sales. Demand for our lifting equipment products has remained strong in both North America and Europe, largely driven by key end markets such as infrastructure, Energy, Electrical Distribution and General Construction. Speaker 200:04:09Much of the new order intake is believed to be directly or indirectly related to increased infrastructure and energy related activity. Our rental segment reported Another strong result during the Q2, including the contributions from our recently opened branch in Lubbock, Texas. This brings our total branch count to 4 locations and now gives us access to a larger customer base And larger market. Construction activity in North Texas remains robust, driven by strong backlog of infrastructure, Commercial and industrial projects that are bolstering demand for our fleet of specialty rental focused equipment. During the Q2, we progressed on our productivity and efficiency initiatives. Speaker 200:05:04This is evidenced by our year over year margin improvement. Critical progress was made In throughput efficiencies, particularly at our Italian operations and strong margin realization in our rental business, where we are already seeing efficiency gains from our new ERP system. In North America, Manufacturing process improvement initiatives remained on schedule. These efforts, however, were hampered by lingering supply chain headwinds during the quarter. We are working hard to improve our manufacturing throughput in North America and we expect improved results in the coming quarters. Speaker 200:05:48Despite these challenges, our 2nd quarter gross margin was 20.3%, up 2 50 basis points from the Q2 last year. Our gross margin did decline sequentially. However, this was largely a result of an impact of higher steel prices, which were up nearly 30% in the early part of the year. We have put in place Product surcharges to offset these costs and have also implemented price increases on new orders, which will begin to benefit gross margins in the back half of the year. As announced today, we reported 2nd quarter EBITDA of $6,800,000 which is up 32% from last year, bringing our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA to a run rate of more than $26,000,000 annually. Speaker 200:06:43This reflects a $16,000,000 adjusted EBITDA improvement over the prior 12 month period. Our 2nd quarter EBITDA margin of 9.3% was up 180 basis points from last year. We remain encouraged by the progress on our operating efficiency initiatives and remain confident that we are well on track to achieve our longer term margin goal of between 300 and 500 basis points of EBITDA margin improvement by 2025. Demand trends continue to be supportive of our lifting equipment products and customer sentiment remains positive. Our dealers are experiencing impacts of higher interest rates and associated operating costs, yet report Record high fleet utilization and high customer demand. Speaker 200:07:45North American construction is Strengthening due to the stimulus dollars from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. And it's important to note That the stimulus is benefiting markets outside of traditional roads and bridges and impacts markets such as electrical transmission and distribution. The broader energy sector in this area is a strength for Manitex and should be important as a positive driver for our business going forward. An Energy Research Group at Princeton estimates that domestic electricity demand will increase by nearly 40% by the year 2,035. This is due in large part to the increased penetration of electric vehicles. Speaker 200:08:32Many believe this will put a strain on our national aged electric grid. The California Public Utilities Commission estimates that California alone will need to spend US50 $1,000,000,000 This should result in continued strength in electrical, transmission and distribution markets for years to come And our lifting products are ideally suited to support the upgrade of our nation's electrical grid. We are also fortunate to have just released the SE electric crane boom truck, A product enhancement we expect to be favored by electric, electric transmission and distribution contractors. Similarly, our international markets are also strong with infrastructure spending being a key driver in Europe. The European Union unveiled infrastructure investment strategy aimed at investing 300,000,000,000 euros by 2027, of which €135,000,000,000 is slated for infrastructure projects. Speaker 200:09:51We also continue to see benefits from the global demand for minerals such as copper, driving capital goods spend in mining maintenance activities in markets in South America. While we are not immune to macroeconomic forces, We remain encouraged by our favorable demand tailwinds across the globe for our products. Overall, Our backlog ended the quarter at $223,000,000 with 56% slated for North American sales and 44% slated for international sales. Last quarter, we unveiled our new strategy called Elevating Excellence. This is a multiyear business transformation initiative designed to drive targeted commercial expansion and sustained productivity improvements across the organization. Speaker 200:10:49As a reminder, Elevating Excellence is a focus on targeted commercial expansion, Sustained operational excellence and disciplined capital allocation. I am very proud of the progress that we've already made since we've rolled out this strategy, which is evidenced in our recent margin performance. An overview of Elevating Excellence can be found on Pages 4 through 7 of our presentation. I'd like to highlight some of the progress we've made against these key initiatives during the Q2. Firstly, let's have a look at our commercial growth strategy. Speaker 200:11:33A key component of our targeted commercial expansion strategy is market share growth as we focus on leveraging our leadership in straight mast cranes to grow articulated cranes, Industrial Lifting and Aerial Work Platform sales through North America. An important driver of this initiative, One critical to our overall strategy is the support and partnership of our dealership network. One of these dealers is ABM Equipment of Hopkins, Minnesota, which recently joined Manitex as a new dealer 1 year ago. ABM provides lifting solutions to customers in Minnesota and the Upper Midwest. They specialize in general construction support as well as wind energy generation construction projects. Speaker 200:12:28ABM has quickly made significant investments in our products, including an order for 10 50 ton truck mounted cranes. Manitex looks forward to continuing in its partnership with ABM and other dealers to execute on This commercial growth strategy. I'd like to take a moment to recognize the importance of our dealer partners. Other manufacturers in our industry have implemented a go direct strategy, bypassing the dealer and building their own rental fleet to service the market. We are taking a different approach, seeking to support strong local levels of service and support and leverage the trust and customer experience our dealers have built over decades. Speaker 200:13:19We aren't selling a product that can be repaired and maintained with a flash update over the Internet, And we are grateful for the expertise and care and local commitments of our dealer partners. The second part of our strategy centers on enhancing our operating performance. This is the 5th earnings report that I've issued since joining Manitex. The management team has delivered Year over year improvements in all five quarters. We are proud of the significant progress made addressing operational improvements. Speaker 200:13:57Yet we believe we are in the early innings of our transformation and there remains considerable opportunities for further improvement. We recently committed the upgrade of our ERP systems with the installation of our new manufacturing ERP system for our European businesses. This follows the upgrade of our Rental Solutions ERP system, which was completed at the end of 2022. Both of these investments are integral to our process improvement initiative. The investments were made to enable our ability to The 3rd and final initiative of our plan is a focus on disciplined capital allocation. Speaker 200:14:49As we have discussed in 2023, our capital allocation will continue to prioritize debt reduction, Select investments in organic growth and maintenance capital to support our existing operations. Our short term goal is to lower our net leverage ratio below 3 times. We made further progress during the Q2 driven by our strong operating results with our net leverage ratio Climbing to 3.3x as of June 30, down from 3.9x@yearend. We expect our strong operating results and working capital focus in the back half of the year to allow us to drive leverage toward our target. As part of our elevating excellence strategy, we introduced 3 year financial targets that reflect our confidence in the underlying strength of our end markets coupled with our commercial and operational benefits we expect to generate through our strategic initiatives. Speaker 200:15:59These objectives can be found on Page 8 of our presentation. While there's a lot of hard work left to do, we believe we remain on the right track to achieve these targets. Before I turn the call over to Joe, allow me to provide a few concluding remarks around our outlook for 2023. Customer demand has remained strong through July, and the team continues to make meaningful progress on our strategic initiatives. Our priorities for 2023 remain focused on putting the processes and systems in place to build a platform for growth, while reducing our financial leverage through improved operating performance and debt reduction. Speaker 200:16:47Given our solid first half results, favorable end market trends and sustained margin improvements, We believe Manitex is on track to deliver low double digit adjusted EBITDA growth in 2023. I will now turn it over to Joe for a detailed review of our results. Speaker 300:17:08Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. I will provide some additional details on the quarter, give an update on our liquidity and balance sheet and conclude with commentary around our outlook for 2023. Turning to Slide 11. Net revenue for the Q2 of 2023 was 73,500,000 up 5.7% compared to the same period last year, driven by contributions from the Rayburn Rentals acquisition, which was completed in April of 2022, along with growth in our lifting equipment business. 2nd quarter revenue growth was negatively impacted by a decline of $2,600,000 Approximately 4% of lower truck chassis sales, which are largely pass through revenue items, We expect full year 2023 chassis sales to decline relative to last year, which will be a headwind to reported sales growth. Speaker 300:18:03As a reminder, the sales decline will have a limited impact on our gross profit dollars, but will benefit the gross margin percentage for the full year of 2023. Lifting Equipment segment revenue was $66,300,000 during the 2nd quarter, an increase of 4.6% versus the prior year period. As I just discussed, lower truck chassis sales impacted 2nd quarter results and Lifting Equipment segment revenue increased nearly 9%, excluding the chassis sales. Lifting equipment revenue growth was driven by Rental Equipment segment revenue was $7,300,000 in the Q2 of 2023, supported by strong end market demand In key North Texas markets, including a full quarter of contribution from our Lubbock, Texas location, which opened in March of 2023. Momentum is continuing to build from expansion of the Lubbock facility and volumes have been strong in recent months. Speaker 300:19:11The rental business benefited from the deployment of new rental fleet acquired in 2022 and market share gains in its Texas market. As of June 23, backlog was $223,200,000 up 4.4% from a year ago, driven by continued favorable trends in key end markets in North America. Backlog in our U. S.-based straight mast Crane business was up 12% from the prior year, while backlog for articulated cranes increased 9%. Our backlog did decline from the Q1, largely reflecting the increased manufacturing throughput Mike discussed as well as order timing. Speaker 300:19:55Gross profit was $14,900,000 during the Q2 of 2023, up from $12,400,000 during the prior year period or an increase of 21%. The increase in gross profit was a result of contributions from Raybern, Organic growth in both rental and lifting equipment as well as benefits from our operational improvement initiatives. As a result of these factors, gross profit margin increased 250 basis points to 20.3% during the 2nd quarter. As Mike discussed, rising steel prices were a headwind during the quarter and contributed to a sequential decline in gross profit margin from the Q1. We have successfully implemented surcharges and price increases on new orders and expect these measures to benefit gross margins in the coming quarters. Speaker 300:20:48SG and A expense for the Q2 of 2023 was $10,800,000 compared to $11,400,000 for the comparable period last year. The decrease was primarily a result of some one time costs incurred last year related to the Rayburn transaction and restructuring activities. R and D expense was $800,000 during the Q2, up modestly from $700,000 during the same period last year. Operating income was $3,300,000 during the Q2 compared to a loss of $1,700,000 for the same period last year. Operating margin in the Q2 of 2023 was 4.5%. Speaker 300:21:29The year over year improvement in operating income was driven by the contribution from Rayburn, organic revenue growth in both segments and our improved gross profit margin in addition to the one time costs incurred last year. Adjusted EBITDA was $6,800,000 for the 2nd quarter or 9.3 percent of sales compared to $5,200,000 or 7.4 percent of sales for the same period last year. Net income was $500,000 or $0.02 per diluted share for the 2nd quarter compared to a net loss of $2,100,000 or $0.10 per diluted share for the same period last year. Adjusted net income was $1,700,000 or $0.08 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2023, up from adjusted net income of $900,000 or $0.05 per diluted share for the same period last year. Adjusted net income for the Q2 of 2023 excludes $600,000 of stock compensation expense and $700,000 of other non recurring expenses. Speaker 300:22:36Now turning to our balance sheet on Slide 12. As of June 30, net debt was $87,800,000 which is up from the end of the Q1 due to normal seasonal working capital uses and some modest inventory growth in Italy due to the recent ERP system migration. As a result of the strong operating results, net leverage improved to 3.3 times at the end of the Q2 of 2023 compared to 3.9 times at the end of the Q4 of 2022. As of June 30, Total cash and available liquidity was $31,000,000 As Mike detailed, we remain confident in our ability to achieve our targeted EBITDA growth In the low double digit range during 2023 as compared to the $21,300,000 in adjusted EBITDA we reported in 2022. Our target is supported by continued new order momentum, optimism on end market trends as well as expected margin improvements resulting from our elevating excellence initiatives. Speaker 300:23:43That completes our prepared remarks. Operator, we are now ready for the question and answer portion of our call. Operator00:23:53Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Matt Koranda, Rose Capital Partners. Speaker 400:24:34Hey, guys. Good morning. Just wanted to touch on the new order commentary that you talked about in the I think you said down year over year in the second quarter, but then you saw some larger orders come through After the quarter ended, I assume that would be in the July timeframe. Maybe could you discuss the seasonality of order flow this year And just what you saw after the quarter closed in terms of bookings? Speaker 200:25:05Yes. Hey, Matt, good to talk to you. Good morning. This is Mike Coughlin. So yes, it was more or less a timing issue where we got obviously orders in June and we're happy with The results there, but there were some pending orders that carried over into July. Speaker 200:25:26And we're early in the season at this stage. So the Q2 and Q3 are typically good in North America, a little bit weaker in Europe because of The August holiday season. But what we're seeing is the larger dealers are actually placing stock orders For 2024, specifically Q2 and Q3 of last year. So generally, we saw that as positive And we're pretty optimistic. Our customers remain optimistic going forward. Speaker 400:26:03Okay. And then any breakdown in the current backlog between sort of products, if you could comment on the mix that you're seeing, Whether that be the breakdown between straight mass versus knuckle boom or just general size dynamics Of the backlog to give us a little bit of flavor of what that looks like. Speaker 200:26:24Yes. Well, I tell you the biggest change for us and we see this as a Positive is that our strategy is calling for favorite end market partners in North America. So the European business is moving along nicely. We're doing really well in the mining area of South America, Which is fantastic for articulated booms. But what's happening is we're seeing more of the end deliveries occur in North America And that's by design. Speaker 200:26:57And so, you remember, we want to drive articulated or knuckle boom Activity in North America in a much bigger way. And so Joe was indicating that we're looking at backlog roughly about a 56.44 ratio. The output has remained consistent with one exception. We actually were able to move our production levels up in Europe during the first and second quarter. So supply chains have eased there a little bit. Speaker 200:27:33There's less drama with regard to energy. And we're really, really pleased With the production capacity in Italy this year, that's going to help us feed the future growth that we want to do in North America. So it's in general, the ratios haven't changed dramatically. What is changing is the end market Exposure. And again, that's by design. Speaker 200:27:58We want to see more of our products find a home in North America going forward. Speaker 400:28:06Okay. And then is it possible for you guys to elaborate on the supply chain issues that you felt in the quarter? I know you mentioned steel costs expanded, but any other like component availability issues or any supply chain issues that we should be Thinking about the constraints of production? Speaker 200:28:27Yes. It was unusual, Matt, that we actually called out Steel pricing as a culprit, but that's what happened, honestly. So we buy several grades of steel, plate steel, fabricated steel, etcetera, Rolled steel. A couple of the categories just had a tremendous increase and we were not able to Offset that and or find an alternative supplier to not incur that cost in the first That happened in North America. We did not see that in Italy. Speaker 200:29:02We saw that as an issue with the mini mills. And if you look up Rolled steel commodity prices, you'll see a 29% increase from about February to May. Thankfully, that appears to be stabilizing. We did have to offset that with some surcharges. The customers understood What was happening, but it also delayed some of our production. Speaker 200:29:28With regard to generalized supplier, there's still issues. We are not dealing with an efficient supply chain overall. But what has changed is we found Methods to address that and in some cases, as you can see from the balance sheet, we've actually brought Some temporary working capital stock up to keep production moving in the right direction. So dynamically, that's what we dealt with in the quarter. We think that's a temporary issue. Speaker 200:30:00We found a workaround. And I would say that overall, the supply chain that we're dealing with has improved and in particular, the Manitex team Has done a very good job finding a way to both schedule around and find alternate suppliers. Speaker 400:30:22Okay. That's helpful. Just on the surcharges that you put in place, Maybe could you talk about the timing of when those were put in place in the Q2? I guess, why didn't they fully offset the price increase? I'm Imagining it's just the timing and the magnitude issue of the steel surcharge. Speaker 400:30:41But then how do we think about it for Q3 and sort of the recovery there and lifting gross margin? Speaker 200:30:48Yes, the charges went in place in June and they went in place for open orders. And then as is typical, we Adjust pricing in June for new orders. So new orders that we've received have adjusted pricing for next year. We did Have surcharges that varied by content and exposure. And honestly, we worked we're fortunate to have exceptional dealers that understand some of these challenges. Speaker 200:31:21In some cases, they had as sold units. They weren't going into their fleets. They were sold. And we made adjustments To accommodate that, so it's not a full recovery by any means, but we are expecting improved profitability going forward because of these charges and quite frankly because of the work that we're doing with the suppliers to adjust costs or find alternate supplies. Speaker 400:31:48Okay. All right. That's great. And then just shifting over to Rayburn, just wanted to see if maybe you guys could Comment a little bit more on the opening progress in Lubbock, maybe where you are in utilization and just thoughts around And in that region, as it pertains to the expansion at RiverFront? Speaker 200:32:08Yes, I appreciate the question. So let me just a quick refresher. The way to think about Lubbock Is Lubbock is about 130% of the size of Amarillo and Amarillo is our base, our home operation. So first thing to know about Lubbock is we are about 4 months delayed in opening just due to construction delays And various challenges that contractors are dealing with these days. But the opening has gone exceptionally well. Speaker 200:32:41Although we're behind in our schedule, the revenue projections are coming in exactly where we wanted them. We're thinking that the business may actually close above forecast this year. Customer sentiment has been very positive. But we have our eyes wide open. We're going we're the new kids in the market and we need to prove ourselves as The better supplier for the contractor, but thus far, it's working out really, really quite nice. Speaker 200:33:15The overall fleet utilization has held steady or improved over the last year and that's also a good So we're really pleased with how Lubbock is coming together. Speaker 400:33:26Okay, great. And then just How do we think about expansion at Rayburn like in a broader way after Lubbock is sort of up to speed and fully utilized? Are there incremental locations we should be thinking about? What's the thought process for expansion on that front? Speaker 200:33:50We have some interesting markets that we have been studying that we're excited about. At this stage, we're not ready to expand, but the Rayburn model is perfect for markets this size. Rayburn, we're competing in a very as you know, the North American Market has had a very robust few years. The projections are strong and the competitors that are in that space are Significant. We're operating in smaller markets where we can differentiate ourselves very nicely. Speaker 200:34:29We bring a high level of service to bear for our customers, And that's really paying dividends. And the good news is there are a great many smaller markets That we believe are underserved and ripe for Rayburn. We're just not ready to pull the trigger there. We want to prove to our investors that this investment is working, Get a good foundation laid in Lubbock and then look at other markets. But The supposition that we can do this in other locations is 100% correct, and that's one of the reasons we like Rayburn. Speaker 400:35:07Okay, excellent. Maybe just last one for me. On the low double digit EBITDA growth commentary for the full year, just want to check-in on sort of what that implies for the back half of the year, because like there's a range, I guess, In terms of low double digit and what that would imply on the lower end of low double digit, it would suggest that you're kind of maybe flat to Down on adjusted EBITDA in the back half of this year. But just wanted to give you the opportunity to maybe talk about how you're thinking about The growth in the back half specifically on adjusted EBITDA? Speaker 200:35:44Yes. This is one that let me own this Myself, the reality is that we're already running at our projection. We just we closed TTM at 26 +1000000. I guess if I'm going to be faulted, we're going to be faulted on being more conservative in our growth. The reality is We're looking very optimistic at our future and our ability to continue to perform. Speaker 200:36:18You may remember in December of last year, as we closed out The year we achieved 1 quarter of 10% adjusted EBITDA and that's been a long standing objective before I came to Manitex, Something that we wanted to achieve. And we finally got there, but we also offered some guidance. Listen, we're going to be at the 10%. We're going to dip down and head back up again because we're improving this company and it's a transformation effort that will take some time. But I can tell you unequivocally, the foundation is laid, the management team is doing very, very good work. Speaker 200:36:56They're transforming the business quite nicely. So in fairness, Matt, we're being perhaps too conservative in our approach. And we're not I think there's a tremendous opportunity toward the second half of next Into next year, we're just you and I are still getting no I guess I'm just too conservative. Forgive me for that. Speaker 400:37:25Yes, conservative is okay in our book here. I'll turn it over to someone else here. Thank you. Thanks, Mike. Speaker 200:37:30All right. Thanks, Matt. Thanks very much. Appreciate the question. Operator00:37:39There are no further questions At this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to Michael Coffey for closing comments. Speaker 200:37:49Thank you very much, operator, and thank you to our investors for joining the call and for your interest in Manitex. We appreciate that very much. Just a quick announcement. We're fortunate that we'll be participating in several investor events in the coming months, Including the Northland Capital Markets Conference, September 19, and also D. A. Speaker 200:38:11Davidson Diversified Thank you again for your time and your interest in Manitex. This concludes our call. Operator00:38:32This concludes today's Manitex International Conference for today.Read morePowered by