NYSE:PNW Pinnacle West Capital Q2 2023 Earnings Report $93.43 -0.84 (-0.89%) As of 03:58 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Pinnacle West Capital EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.94Consensus EPS $1.19Beat/MissMissed by -$0.25One Year Ago EPS$1.45Pinnacle West Capital Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.12 billionExpected Revenue$1.09 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$35.02 millionYoY Revenue Growth+5.70%Pinnacle West Capital Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/3/2023TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, August 3, 2023Conference Call Time12:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsPinnacle West Capital's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 1, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 12:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Pinnacle West Capital Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Day, everyone, and welcome to the Pinnacle West Capital Corporation 2023 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode. If you have any questions or comments during the presentation, you may press star 1 on your phone to enter the question queue at any time. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Amanda Ho. Ma'am, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:22Thank you, Matthew. I would like to thank everyone for participating in this conference call and webcast to review our Q2 2023 earnings, recent developments and operating performance. Our speakers today will be our Chairman and CEO, Jeff Gollner and our CFO, Andrew Cooper. Ted Geisser, APS President Jacob Tedlow, Executive Vice President of Operations And Jose Esparza, Senior Vice President of Public Policy are also here with us. First, I need to cover a few details with you. Speaker 100:00:47The slides that we will be using are available on our Investor Relations website Along with our earnings release and related information, today's comments and our slides contain forward looking statements based on current expectations and actual results may differ materially from expectations. Our Q2 2023 Form 10 Q was filed this morning. Please refer to that document for forward looking statements, cautionary language, as well as the risk factors and MD and A sections, which identify risks and uncertainties that Could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in our disclosures. A replay of this call will be available shortly on our website for the next 30 days. It will also be available by telephone through August 10, 2023. Speaker 100:01:26I will now turn the call over to Jeff. Speaker 200:01:27Great. Thanks, Amanda. Thank you all for joining us today. Although our Q2 financials were negatively impacted by significantly mild weather in June as well as higher operating expenses, we have updated our full year Before Andrew goes through the details of our Q2 results and updates to our 2023 full year guidance, I'll just provide a few updates on recent operational and regulatory developments. Starting with operations. Speaker 200:02:01As we progress through the summer season, I'm very proud to say that our team continues to excel in delivering Reliable service to our customers. The Calvertie Generating Station successfully completed its planned refueling and maintenance outage for Unit 1 on May 13. Additionally, we commissioned the remaining 60 megawatts of energy storage at our AZ Sun sites, so that totals now 201 Megawatts of APS storage installed this year and 150 megawatts of APS owned solar at the agave solar facility. These are all valuable resources to help serve our customers through the summer season. In fact, while the second quarter was marked by extremely mild weather, as I think all of you probably know July certainly heated up. Speaker 200:02:46Our robust planning, resource procurement efforts and our dedicated team have allowed us to provide exceptional service to our customers throughout this unprecedented heat wave. Phoenix experienced a record number of consecutive days of over 110 degrees, shattering prior records for daytime highs, for evening lows, for days over 110 degrees. And the APS team served its customers with top tier reliability throughout it all. In fact, we broke our previous peak demand record multiple times This July reaching a new all time record on July 20th at nearly 8200 Megawatts. That's a 500 Megawatt increase Compared to our prior record that was set in 2020, I want to recognize our operators and our field teams for doing such an exceptional job and making sure that customers continue to have reliable service through this unrelenting heat. Speaker 200:03:39As you know, APS plans years in advance To continue serving customers with reliable and affordable energy, our resource planners secure a diverse energy mix to meet demand, Like solar and wind power, battery energy storage and our APS operated Calvert regenerating station, which is still the largest nuclear plant in the U. S. And the country's largest When temperatures cause demand to increase, APS' strength and resilience comes from using Flexible resources like natural gas to keep homes and businesses cool over long stretches of extreme heat. Another important tool that I want to highlight and that we utilize is our Cool Rewards demand response program is in its 5th year of operation. That program essentially operates as a virtual power plant Where our customers provide over 110 megawatts of flexible clean capacity. Speaker 200:04:29The program connects nearly 80,000 APS customers with smart thermostat technology It helps them save money while also playing an integral role in conserving energy when the demand on the electric grid is its highest. This partnership helps us ensure reliable uninterrupted service to our customers on the hottest Arizona days, while also assisting us on our journey to 100% clean And carbon free electricity by 2,050. So you can see we've taken all of the above approach to provide the most affordable and reliable service when our customers need us the most. And as part of our vigorous planning, we recently issued an all source RFP for another 1,000 megawatts to be online between 20262028. We're seeking the best combination of resources to serve our customers reliably while not sacrificing affordability and continuing to build towards our clean energy future. Speaker 200:05:22Additionally, we continue to remain focused on providing exceptional customer service. Our J. D. Power, J. D. Speaker 200:05:29Key residential rankings for overall customer satisfaction have steadily improved over the past 2 years, and I'm proud to share that the latest JDP Residential 2023 Second Quarter Results Have Placed US Back in the 1st quartile compared to our peers. APS's strongest performing drivers in the latest survey were customer care, both phone and digital, power quality and reliability and corporate citizenship. We've made remarkable progress over the past few years moving from 4th quartile to 1st, and that progress would not have happened without the dedication and commitment of our hard working employees across the company. I look forward to continuing to provide exemplary service to our customers in the future. Turning to our regulatory updates. Speaker 200:06:13Last quarter, I spoke about the appeal of our last rate case and the favorable Court of Appeals decision. The commission directed its legal staff to enter into negotiations with the company. And in June, we reached an agreement with the commission legal staff on how to implement that decision. The joint resolution was then approved at the June open meeting and it created a court resolution surcharge that started on July 1st. We're pleased that we're able to reach an agreement with the commission in a reasonable and expeditious manner to resolve this issue. Speaker 200:06:44And as I've mentioned Previously, the Four Corners power plant is a critically important reliability asset for the entire Southwest and the investment in SCRs was required to keep that plant running under federal law. Andrew will address the financial impacts from this decision here in a few minutes. On our rate case, we are almost done with all rounds of written testimony. Our rejoinder testimony is due tomorrow. The hearing is scheduled to begin on August 10th, and we look forward to working through that process and resolving this rate case in a timely and constructive manner. Speaker 200:07:19We've made solid progress through the first half of this year, improving our customer experience, enhancing our stakeholder relationships and executing on our regulatory matters. There's certainly more work to do, but I think this is a good opportunity to acknowledge the team's dedication and early accomplishments here in 2023. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew. Speaker 300:07:38Thank you, Jeff, and thanks again to everyone for joining us today. This morning, we released our 2nd quarter 2023 financial results. I will first review those results, which were negatively impacted by extremely mild weather and provide some additional details on the various drivers for the quarter. I will also provide an update to full year 2023 guidance. We earned $0.94 per share this quarter, down $0.51 compared to the Q2 last year. Speaker 300:08:06Weather, Specifically during the month of June was the primary driver for the lower year over year results. June of 2023 was the mildest since 2,009 With an average daily temperature slightly below 90 degrees. This resulted in a $0.25 year over year drag from weather compared to Q2 last year, which notably included an above average contribution from June 2022's hot weather. Higher O and M interest expense and depreciation and amortization and lower pension and OPEB non service credits were other negative drivers, partially offset by higher transmission revenues and LFCR revenues. O and M was $0.21 higher year over year or $0.14 excluding res and DSM. Speaker 300:08:52We have experienced year over year increases to most of our O and M categories Due to inflation and high customer growth, we have seen inflationary impacts in areas including chemicals, materials, insurance and wage rates. Of the $0.14 Q2 headwind, O and M associated with our generation fleet constitutes $0.10 And for the first half of the year, generation fleet O and M has been a $0.21 drag. Prioritizing the needs of our generation fleet to ensure reliability for has been essential to our summer preparedness strategy. The importance of this prioritization was as clear as ever as our team successfully ran our fleet during the month of July. In addition, as Jeff mentioned, July weather was record breaking. Speaker 300:09:39And similar to past years, The weather benefits have allowed us to flex up to de risk future spending. Speaker 200:09:45Based on the O Speaker 300:09:46and M trends we are seeing, we are increasing our O and M guidance range for $2023,000,000 to $915,000,000 to $935,000,000 Importantly, even with this update, We anticipate our O and M per megawatt hour to be flat to last year and we maintain our goal of declining O and M per megawatt hour into the future. We continue to look for opportunities to create efficiencies, reduce risk and keep our costs low to maintain affordable rates for our customers. Turning out to customer growth, we continue to be in line with expectations. Customer growth remains at 2% for the 2nd quarter. The fundamentals for customer growth remains strong in our service territory and Arizona continues to be a popular migration destination. Speaker 300:10:29Redfin.com noted in May that Phoenix led the nation in the housing markets its users were most interested in moving into. The cost of living in Arizona and the Phoenix metro area still compare favorably to many western markets, so we continue to project steady population growth and corresponding APS customer growth largely driven by net migration. However, weather normalized sales growth for the quarter was 0.1% Compared to last year, although we continue to see steady C and I sales growth, which came in at 2.2% for the Q2 this year versus last year, Overall sales growth has been slower than originally anticipated. We continue to monitor our extra high load factor customers as they ramp up and in fact, Taiwan Semiconductor recently announced the delay in the opening of their first chip factory. With the flat year over year sales growth in the quarter And slower ramp up of these larger customers, we are revising our sales growth guidance range to 2% to 4% for 2023. Speaker 300:11:29Because sales from these larger customers contribute a lower margin, the change to our sales growth guidance has a disproportionately smaller impact to earnings expectations. Over the longer term, we continue to forecast a strong contribution to sales growth from Advanced Manufacturing and other large customers, though the variable remains the speed of their ramp up. Turning to our 2023 guidance for EPS. With the approval by the commission of the joint resolution of the 2019 rate case appeal, on July 1, we began collecting a corresponding surcharge with an annualized impact of approximately $52,500,000 This surcharge includes both a prospective And historical portion and is collected through a per kilowatt hour charge. Taking all financial drivers into account, Including this additional revenue, July temperatures but normalized weather thereafter, anticipated lower sales growth and the higher O and M trends mentioned earlier, We now expect our new EPS guidance range to be $4.10 to $4.30 per share for the year. Speaker 300:12:34We look forward to continuing to execute on our strategy and on the next phases of our pending rate case process. This concludes our prepared remarks. I will now turn the call back over to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:47Certainly. Everyone at this time will be conducting a question and answer session. Your first question is coming from Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is live. Speaker 400:13:18Hey, guys. Good morning. This is Darius on for Julian. Thank you for taking the question. Just wanted to start off On the rate case, if I could, staff obviously came out with a recent round of testimony, and Specifically, the generation rider that you've proposed and revised during the course of the rate case. Speaker 400:13:38Just wondering if you could comment on staff's latest And in the event that, that rider isn't ultimately supported by the commission in this rate case outcome, How that might affect your procurementcapital strategy going forward? Speaker 200:13:54Yes. Hey, Darius. This is Jeff. Let me start With kind of the context of the rider, it came up in the Tucson Electric rate case, Ultimately, we didn't make it into the administrative law judge's recommendation. That case is going to open meeting here pretty quickly. Speaker 200:14:15We have filed it and we're going to continue to advocate for it because we think it's an appropriate way of addressing And you can see with just the growth that we're seeing the need for that additional generation and need to have that balance between not PPAs, but some that we can more directly control and really control the deployment of that capital. That as well as the ability to find a mechanism that we can flow through the production tax credits It's going to be important. So we think there's good reasons to continue to advocate for it. I think what you're seeing that is Still modestly encouraging is that there's an interest from staff in understanding the value and the concept. And so that's really what the hearing process I think is Give us an opportunity to do is to advocate and explain why this makes sense in the context of where we are. Speaker 200:15:08And I'd be more concerned if it Just a flat no, we're not interested. And I think you can see from the testimony and from the dialogue in the Tucson case That there is an interest in understanding it. We're not quite there yet and I hope that we'll have an opportunity at hearing to really explain why we see significant value in Moving forward with this and not just coming back in, which is your other alternative is you come right back in on another rate case pretty quickly if there's not a way to address This kind of the regulatory lag that comes from getting those plants into service, but not into rates efficiently. You want to talk maybe on the capital? Speaker 300:15:47Sure, Darius. It's Andrew. To date, going back to the last rate case, we've been reluctant To bring forward our projects that have been cost competitive with the market because of the question around recovery. And the SRB, as Jeff talked about, really would be an Important tool to help us think about taking what's been less than maybe 20% of the megawatts that we've been procuring over the last couple of years and increase that number. Ultimately, we're going to make the investments that we need to make for reliability. Speaker 300:16:16And the 2 projects that are in our post test year plant that relate to our generation fleet, Jeff talked about those were commissioned this summer, our agave solar project as well as the batteries at our AZ Sun sites. Those are projects that were commissioned for this summer and those were really critical. And as some of the developers we work with have supply chain delays and some of those challenges, Our ability to deliver, I think, has been highlighted through those post test year plans. So we'll continue to look at ways to reduce lag And ultimately make the decisions that we need to make around capital from our perspective to make sure that we're delivering Each summer as we've seen these increasing peak demand numbers. Speaker 400:16:59Great. Thank you for that detail. Appreciate that. One more if I could. I just wanted to come back to the generation related O and M spending that Andrew highlighted in the opening remarks. Speaker 400:17:11Specifically, how do you see that shaping up for the back half of the year, just given the Amount that you have to run the generation resources, obviously, during this extremely hot weather, do you anticipate that there is sort of some additional catch up O and M, if you will, in the latter Part of the year and then related, assuming that weather normalizes in 2024 or thereafter, do you see that as An opportunity to flex down that O and M in future periods. Speaker 300:17:39Yes, Derek. So taking the first part of that, So the guidance range that we updated today incorporated anticipated O and M kind of across the year. And so We've seen the first half of the year absolute needs of the generation fleet. And from this July, there will certainly be continued needs. And so we've Anticipated those and frankly have in part used the benefit of July weather to look at the rest of the year and think about what are the needs we have and where are the pressure And if weather were to continue to be a factor for the rest of the year, absolutely making sure that we can generate support the generation fleet, both Palo Verde as well as, our traditional fleet, it's definitely part of the calculus. Speaker 300:18:23And so then when you think about weather for the rest The year post July, which we've incorporated at this point and has been part of strategically thinking about O and M. Every year, At the end of the summer, we look at our O and M opportunity set and risk set for the remainder of the year and into the next calendar year. And think about where we could flex our muscle around pull forwards, de risking. And so we'll do that to the upside and down As the year goes on, we're comfortable with the new O and M range that we've set out based on where we are, the decisions we've made effectively, Conversations that we normally have in October, once you've looked at the full summer, we're making those earlier. So We're comfortable with the range that we're in. Speaker 300:19:04And certainly, as we have weather, as we have continued wear and tear on our generation fleet, we've accommodated that within the current range. Speaker 500:19:17Okay, great. Thank you very much Speaker 400:19:18for that detail. I'll pass it along here. Speaker 600:19:20Thanks, Jared. Operator00:19:23Thank you. Your next question is coming from Alex Mortimer from Mizuho. Your line is live. Speaker 700:19:29Hi, good morning. Speaker 200:19:30Hi, Alex. Speaker 700:19:33So with the dual tailwind of new rates next year and the load increase that was This year materializing more in 2024. How should we think about the linearity of earnings in 2024 and 2025 and beyond? Kind of within the long term growth rate, should we expect you to be at the higher end of the 5% to 7% or should we think that there Potentially be more of a one time step up in 2024 given coming out of the rate case. Speaker 300:19:57Yes, Alex, we are definitely focused On the tools that we have at our disposal to create more linear predictable earnings Within that 5% to 7% growth rate. And so we're comfortable with the 5% to 7% rate. Certainly, we'll be Updating all the key drivers of our financial performance after the rate case concludes. Inevitably, given the outcome of the 2019 rate case and the financial reset there, rate relief will be a meaningful driver of our growth Over the medium term, it's hard to avoid that fact. However, the work we're doing around how do we manage O and M within the context of weather from year to year, How do we push for more capital to be tracked so we can create more rig gradualism for customers, but also more linearity for shareholders? Speaker 300:20:50Those are the levers within our control that we're trying to deliver within that long term EPS growth rate range, a little bit more of a predictable track within it. Ultimately, doing the things that are within our control and managing costs as best we can. Speaker 700:21:06Understood. Has there been any discussion internally about how to potentially think of a new base here for the long term growth rate given the increased clarity and potential step up We'll see following the resolution of the case later this year. Speaker 300:21:20Yes. Alex, that's all I think a conversation that we could have after the rate case. Ultimately, over the long term, we want to be able to through a linear earnings stream create a long term earnings growth rate that isn't based on the base year. That is a Continuous product of more predictable, less regulatory lag. And so those are the things that we're focused on to create that. Speaker 300:21:42So it becomes less about Specific base here, but as far as updating from our current 5% to 7% off 2022 weather normalized guidance, that's a conversation we can have after the rate case. Operator00:22:04Your line is live. Speaker 600:22:06Hey, good morning. Hey, Paul. Hi, Paul. So I apologize if I just wanted to sort of just follow-up again on the rate case. In the past, you guys were thinking that was potential that there'd be a settlement. Speaker 600:22:21I'm just sort of wondering where things maybe stand with respect to that potential given that we've had so many filings now and what have you. Speaker 200:22:29Yes. As we mentioned, we're just here a day away from filing rejoinder I see you got 5 rounds of testimony in the hearing scheduled to start in a week or so. So the likelihood that a settlement would sort of come up from there is low. We continue and we always look for Opportunities to narrow issues or for opportunities to engage in a conversation around that. But I think right now, It certainly seems like we're moving towards hearing. Speaker 200:23:04I will say, if you've been following the testimony and the interveners and the positions on this case, that this is Much more what I call a traditional rate case. It's a lot more fewer issues The more traditional things that are coming. So I think that that is positive in terms of where the cases has evolved to. Speaker 600:23:25Yes. It's a notable change from the last one. I agree with that. I want to also just sort of ask I haven't I've never been to Arizona in the summer and there's a lot of national media coverage of the recent heat wave. And I don't know whether or not it's being overdramatized or not, but it sounds like kind of extreme. Speaker 600:23:50And I'm just wondering, A, sort of your take on it because you guys are Or native, so to speak, or at least close to it. And so B, I know you mentioned it doesn't seem to have impacted Your outlook for growth, but just I mean, I don't need to sort of check off the list of sort of horrors that they're describing in terms of people getting burnt by just Sitting on the sidewalk or even I'm talking about like the cactus is dying kind of thing. Could you sort of just give a little more perspective on that? Speaker 200:24:23Yes. I mean, it's clearly a concern when you get into prolonged stretches of this. We've had I mean, we had a hotter day A number of years ago, I think the still record high day was actually quite a while ago, But it's the persistence of this heat wave that I think has really sort of challenged the policymakers. But the important thing to remember is that the heat in the desert in the summer is not new It's about being safe outside, making sure that you don't make contact with the pavement. The most important thing I think that Policymakers here are doing a nice job of is trying to address the unsheltered population. Speaker 200:25:14We've got, for example, Paul, an air conditioner program where we can help support through the foundation for senior living, people getting air conditioner repairs, because those are where it gets really dangerous. If you're just in a home with an air conditioner, people are kind of used to this, I think. But it's certainly something that you need to look at from a resilience standpoint in ensuring that as we continue to see longer periods of hot weather that we've got the resilience to be able to navigate that. But People are still moving here. It's still a very I think it's still the fastest growing county in the U. Speaker 200:25:53S. So I don't think the heat deters them. And It's kind of similar what you deal with in the Northeast and in the upper Midwest where you've got the really cold winters. You just got to know how to adapt to Speaker 600:26:06Okay. Well, thanks so much. Yes. Operator00:26:11Thank you. Your next question is coming from Shar Pourreza from Guggenheim Partners. Your line is live. Speaker 500:26:19Hi, guys. It's Jameson Ward on for Shar. How are you? Hey, good, Jameson. Hey. Speaker 500:26:26Just a quick one on the pension front. Just leaving 2023 aside for the moment, if we were to assume that the final order reflects The pension related adjustments from your rebuttal testimony, just thinking about the roughly $20,000,000 or so improvement there. What impact would you expect that to have going forward on pension related EPS drag? Just thinking about the amortization The corridor rule from last year's impact really. Speaker 300:26:59Yes, James. So just to step back, we do have that drag Now from the end of 2022 when we took into account the rapid increase in interest rates in 2022, which affect both our Fixed income portfolio as well as the interest costs associated with our pension. So we have that drag, which Year over year is in the 30 some odd cent range and you see it this quarter as you've seen it in prior quarters. And so one of the things we did say to the investment community is we wanted to reduce The lag associated with the pension expense and more properly reflect the test year expense Because we didn't know those numbers when we filed our direct case. And so on rebuttal, as you alluded to, we did, file to Take better account of what the tester should be based on averaging the mark to market end of 2021, mark to market end of 2022. Speaker 300:27:51And as you said, that's about a $20,000,000 benefit. When it comes to the impact there, that isn't going to be something that flows through pension accounting. That's when it's going to flow through the revenue requirement and through Customer charges. So that will be if it is approved, then we're going to continue to advocate for it through the case. Our staff Did not express support from it and there's a rebuttal testimony, but it's something we're going to continue to push for. Speaker 300:28:15That would just be reflected in the revenue requirement like everything else. However, at the same time, as we do every year, at the end of the year, we're going to have to reevaluate our pension expenses based on expected market returns, Where discount rates are at that point and what may, as you said, pass through the corridor and be considered material from the perspective I'll be getting to amortize, but the drag from 2022 will remain and the key is to reduce regulatory lag on the recovery of that through the adjustments and normalization request that we made on rebuttal. Speaker 500:28:49Got it. Perfect. Thank you, Andrew. I appreciate the color. Speaker 300:28:53Sure. Thanks, Jonathan. Operator00:28:56Thank you. Your next question is coming from Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is live. Speaker 400:29:08Hey, guys. It's Darius back on. Just one quick follow-up, if I could. Just wanted to ask about the change in your guidance Relative to the effective tax rate, it looked like it ticked up a little bit and now there's a band versus previously it was a point estimate. Just wondering what drove that? Speaker 300:29:27Yes, it did, Darius. Very perceptive. So what happened is in the Q1 when we set guidance, it was Slightly below 11% effective tax rate now we're at this 12% to 12.5%. And when if you recall, when we set that lower effective tax rate, it was based on our anticipated in service date of projects that generate production tax credits, namely the agave project. And so the higher tax rate now reflects Our better estimate of the in service date of the project. Speaker 500:29:59Okay, great. Thanks so much for clarifying. Operator00:30:05Thank you. That completes our Q and A session. Everyone, this concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallPinnacle West Capital Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xRemove Ads Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Pinnacle West Capital Earnings HeadlinesCutera (NASDAQ:CUTR) Coverage Initiated by Analysts at StockNews.comApril 11, 2025 | americanbankingnews.comTwo new option listings and two option delistings on March 13thMarch 13, 2025 | markets.businessinsider.comREVEALED FREE: Our top 3 stocks to own in 2025 and beyondEvery time Weiss Ratings flashed green like this, the average gain on each and every stock has been 303% (including the losers!).April 16, 2025 | Weiss Ratings (Ad)Cutera Inc to delist from NASDAQ amid bankruptcyMarch 12, 2025 | investing.comCutera plans Nasdaq delisting and SEC reporting haltMarch 12, 2025 | uk.investing.comCutera intends to delist shares from NasdaqMarch 10, 2025 | markets.businessinsider.comSee More Cutera Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like Pinnacle West Capital? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Pinnacle West Capital and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Pinnacle West CapitalPinnacle West Capital (NYSE:PNW), through its subsidiary, provides retail and wholesale electric services primarily in the state of Arizona. The company engages in the generation, transmission, and distribution of electricity using coal, nuclear, gas, oil, and solar generating facilities. Its transmission facilities include overhead lines and underground lines; and distribution facilities consist of overhead lines and underground primary cables. The company also owns and maintains transmission and distribution substations; and owns energy storage facilities. Pinnacle West Capital Corporation was incorporated in 1985 and is headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona.View Pinnacle West Capital ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Tesla Stock Eyes Breakout With Earnings on DeckJohnson & Johnson Earnings Were More Good Than Bad—Time to Buy? Why Analysts Boosted United Airlines Stock Ahead of EarningsLamb Weston Stock Rises, Earnings Provide Calm Amidst ChaosIntuitive Machines Gains After Earnings Beat, NASA Missions AheadCintas Delivers Earnings Beat, Signals More Growth AheadNike Stock Dips on Earnings: Analysts Weigh in on What’s Next Upcoming Earnings Netflix (4/17/2025)American Express (4/17/2025)Blackstone (4/17/2025)Infosys (4/17/2025)Marsh & McLennan Companies (4/17/2025)Charles Schwab (4/17/2025)Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (4/17/2025)UnitedHealth Group (4/17/2025)HDFC Bank (4/18/2025)Intuitive Surgical (4/22/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Day, everyone, and welcome to the Pinnacle West Capital Corporation 2023 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode. If you have any questions or comments during the presentation, you may press star 1 on your phone to enter the question queue at any time. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Amanda Ho. Ma'am, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:22Thank you, Matthew. I would like to thank everyone for participating in this conference call and webcast to review our Q2 2023 earnings, recent developments and operating performance. Our speakers today will be our Chairman and CEO, Jeff Gollner and our CFO, Andrew Cooper. Ted Geisser, APS President Jacob Tedlow, Executive Vice President of Operations And Jose Esparza, Senior Vice President of Public Policy are also here with us. First, I need to cover a few details with you. Speaker 100:00:47The slides that we will be using are available on our Investor Relations website Along with our earnings release and related information, today's comments and our slides contain forward looking statements based on current expectations and actual results may differ materially from expectations. Our Q2 2023 Form 10 Q was filed this morning. Please refer to that document for forward looking statements, cautionary language, as well as the risk factors and MD and A sections, which identify risks and uncertainties that Could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in our disclosures. A replay of this call will be available shortly on our website for the next 30 days. It will also be available by telephone through August 10, 2023. Speaker 100:01:26I will now turn the call over to Jeff. Speaker 200:01:27Great. Thanks, Amanda. Thank you all for joining us today. Although our Q2 financials were negatively impacted by significantly mild weather in June as well as higher operating expenses, we have updated our full year Before Andrew goes through the details of our Q2 results and updates to our 2023 full year guidance, I'll just provide a few updates on recent operational and regulatory developments. Starting with operations. Speaker 200:02:01As we progress through the summer season, I'm very proud to say that our team continues to excel in delivering Reliable service to our customers. The Calvertie Generating Station successfully completed its planned refueling and maintenance outage for Unit 1 on May 13. Additionally, we commissioned the remaining 60 megawatts of energy storage at our AZ Sun sites, so that totals now 201 Megawatts of APS storage installed this year and 150 megawatts of APS owned solar at the agave solar facility. These are all valuable resources to help serve our customers through the summer season. In fact, while the second quarter was marked by extremely mild weather, as I think all of you probably know July certainly heated up. Speaker 200:02:46Our robust planning, resource procurement efforts and our dedicated team have allowed us to provide exceptional service to our customers throughout this unprecedented heat wave. Phoenix experienced a record number of consecutive days of over 110 degrees, shattering prior records for daytime highs, for evening lows, for days over 110 degrees. And the APS team served its customers with top tier reliability throughout it all. In fact, we broke our previous peak demand record multiple times This July reaching a new all time record on July 20th at nearly 8200 Megawatts. That's a 500 Megawatt increase Compared to our prior record that was set in 2020, I want to recognize our operators and our field teams for doing such an exceptional job and making sure that customers continue to have reliable service through this unrelenting heat. Speaker 200:03:39As you know, APS plans years in advance To continue serving customers with reliable and affordable energy, our resource planners secure a diverse energy mix to meet demand, Like solar and wind power, battery energy storage and our APS operated Calvert regenerating station, which is still the largest nuclear plant in the U. S. And the country's largest When temperatures cause demand to increase, APS' strength and resilience comes from using Flexible resources like natural gas to keep homes and businesses cool over long stretches of extreme heat. Another important tool that I want to highlight and that we utilize is our Cool Rewards demand response program is in its 5th year of operation. That program essentially operates as a virtual power plant Where our customers provide over 110 megawatts of flexible clean capacity. Speaker 200:04:29The program connects nearly 80,000 APS customers with smart thermostat technology It helps them save money while also playing an integral role in conserving energy when the demand on the electric grid is its highest. This partnership helps us ensure reliable uninterrupted service to our customers on the hottest Arizona days, while also assisting us on our journey to 100% clean And carbon free electricity by 2,050. So you can see we've taken all of the above approach to provide the most affordable and reliable service when our customers need us the most. And as part of our vigorous planning, we recently issued an all source RFP for another 1,000 megawatts to be online between 20262028. We're seeking the best combination of resources to serve our customers reliably while not sacrificing affordability and continuing to build towards our clean energy future. Speaker 200:05:22Additionally, we continue to remain focused on providing exceptional customer service. Our J. D. Power, J. D. Speaker 200:05:29Key residential rankings for overall customer satisfaction have steadily improved over the past 2 years, and I'm proud to share that the latest JDP Residential 2023 Second Quarter Results Have Placed US Back in the 1st quartile compared to our peers. APS's strongest performing drivers in the latest survey were customer care, both phone and digital, power quality and reliability and corporate citizenship. We've made remarkable progress over the past few years moving from 4th quartile to 1st, and that progress would not have happened without the dedication and commitment of our hard working employees across the company. I look forward to continuing to provide exemplary service to our customers in the future. Turning to our regulatory updates. Speaker 200:06:13Last quarter, I spoke about the appeal of our last rate case and the favorable Court of Appeals decision. The commission directed its legal staff to enter into negotiations with the company. And in June, we reached an agreement with the commission legal staff on how to implement that decision. The joint resolution was then approved at the June open meeting and it created a court resolution surcharge that started on July 1st. We're pleased that we're able to reach an agreement with the commission in a reasonable and expeditious manner to resolve this issue. Speaker 200:06:44And as I've mentioned Previously, the Four Corners power plant is a critically important reliability asset for the entire Southwest and the investment in SCRs was required to keep that plant running under federal law. Andrew will address the financial impacts from this decision here in a few minutes. On our rate case, we are almost done with all rounds of written testimony. Our rejoinder testimony is due tomorrow. The hearing is scheduled to begin on August 10th, and we look forward to working through that process and resolving this rate case in a timely and constructive manner. Speaker 200:07:19We've made solid progress through the first half of this year, improving our customer experience, enhancing our stakeholder relationships and executing on our regulatory matters. There's certainly more work to do, but I think this is a good opportunity to acknowledge the team's dedication and early accomplishments here in 2023. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew. Speaker 300:07:38Thank you, Jeff, and thanks again to everyone for joining us today. This morning, we released our 2nd quarter 2023 financial results. I will first review those results, which were negatively impacted by extremely mild weather and provide some additional details on the various drivers for the quarter. I will also provide an update to full year 2023 guidance. We earned $0.94 per share this quarter, down $0.51 compared to the Q2 last year. Speaker 300:08:06Weather, Specifically during the month of June was the primary driver for the lower year over year results. June of 2023 was the mildest since 2,009 With an average daily temperature slightly below 90 degrees. This resulted in a $0.25 year over year drag from weather compared to Q2 last year, which notably included an above average contribution from June 2022's hot weather. Higher O and M interest expense and depreciation and amortization and lower pension and OPEB non service credits were other negative drivers, partially offset by higher transmission revenues and LFCR revenues. O and M was $0.21 higher year over year or $0.14 excluding res and DSM. Speaker 300:08:52We have experienced year over year increases to most of our O and M categories Due to inflation and high customer growth, we have seen inflationary impacts in areas including chemicals, materials, insurance and wage rates. Of the $0.14 Q2 headwind, O and M associated with our generation fleet constitutes $0.10 And for the first half of the year, generation fleet O and M has been a $0.21 drag. Prioritizing the needs of our generation fleet to ensure reliability for has been essential to our summer preparedness strategy. The importance of this prioritization was as clear as ever as our team successfully ran our fleet during the month of July. In addition, as Jeff mentioned, July weather was record breaking. Speaker 300:09:39And similar to past years, The weather benefits have allowed us to flex up to de risk future spending. Speaker 200:09:45Based on the O Speaker 300:09:46and M trends we are seeing, we are increasing our O and M guidance range for $2023,000,000 to $915,000,000 to $935,000,000 Importantly, even with this update, We anticipate our O and M per megawatt hour to be flat to last year and we maintain our goal of declining O and M per megawatt hour into the future. We continue to look for opportunities to create efficiencies, reduce risk and keep our costs low to maintain affordable rates for our customers. Turning out to customer growth, we continue to be in line with expectations. Customer growth remains at 2% for the 2nd quarter. The fundamentals for customer growth remains strong in our service territory and Arizona continues to be a popular migration destination. Speaker 300:10:29Redfin.com noted in May that Phoenix led the nation in the housing markets its users were most interested in moving into. The cost of living in Arizona and the Phoenix metro area still compare favorably to many western markets, so we continue to project steady population growth and corresponding APS customer growth largely driven by net migration. However, weather normalized sales growth for the quarter was 0.1% Compared to last year, although we continue to see steady C and I sales growth, which came in at 2.2% for the Q2 this year versus last year, Overall sales growth has been slower than originally anticipated. We continue to monitor our extra high load factor customers as they ramp up and in fact, Taiwan Semiconductor recently announced the delay in the opening of their first chip factory. With the flat year over year sales growth in the quarter And slower ramp up of these larger customers, we are revising our sales growth guidance range to 2% to 4% for 2023. Speaker 300:11:29Because sales from these larger customers contribute a lower margin, the change to our sales growth guidance has a disproportionately smaller impact to earnings expectations. Over the longer term, we continue to forecast a strong contribution to sales growth from Advanced Manufacturing and other large customers, though the variable remains the speed of their ramp up. Turning to our 2023 guidance for EPS. With the approval by the commission of the joint resolution of the 2019 rate case appeal, on July 1, we began collecting a corresponding surcharge with an annualized impact of approximately $52,500,000 This surcharge includes both a prospective And historical portion and is collected through a per kilowatt hour charge. Taking all financial drivers into account, Including this additional revenue, July temperatures but normalized weather thereafter, anticipated lower sales growth and the higher O and M trends mentioned earlier, We now expect our new EPS guidance range to be $4.10 to $4.30 per share for the year. Speaker 300:12:34We look forward to continuing to execute on our strategy and on the next phases of our pending rate case process. This concludes our prepared remarks. I will now turn the call back over to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:47Certainly. Everyone at this time will be conducting a question and answer session. Your first question is coming from Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is live. Speaker 400:13:18Hey, guys. Good morning. This is Darius on for Julian. Thank you for taking the question. Just wanted to start off On the rate case, if I could, staff obviously came out with a recent round of testimony, and Specifically, the generation rider that you've proposed and revised during the course of the rate case. Speaker 400:13:38Just wondering if you could comment on staff's latest And in the event that, that rider isn't ultimately supported by the commission in this rate case outcome, How that might affect your procurementcapital strategy going forward? Speaker 200:13:54Yes. Hey, Darius. This is Jeff. Let me start With kind of the context of the rider, it came up in the Tucson Electric rate case, Ultimately, we didn't make it into the administrative law judge's recommendation. That case is going to open meeting here pretty quickly. Speaker 200:14:15We have filed it and we're going to continue to advocate for it because we think it's an appropriate way of addressing And you can see with just the growth that we're seeing the need for that additional generation and need to have that balance between not PPAs, but some that we can more directly control and really control the deployment of that capital. That as well as the ability to find a mechanism that we can flow through the production tax credits It's going to be important. So we think there's good reasons to continue to advocate for it. I think what you're seeing that is Still modestly encouraging is that there's an interest from staff in understanding the value and the concept. And so that's really what the hearing process I think is Give us an opportunity to do is to advocate and explain why this makes sense in the context of where we are. Speaker 200:15:08And I'd be more concerned if it Just a flat no, we're not interested. And I think you can see from the testimony and from the dialogue in the Tucson case That there is an interest in understanding it. We're not quite there yet and I hope that we'll have an opportunity at hearing to really explain why we see significant value in Moving forward with this and not just coming back in, which is your other alternative is you come right back in on another rate case pretty quickly if there's not a way to address This kind of the regulatory lag that comes from getting those plants into service, but not into rates efficiently. You want to talk maybe on the capital? Speaker 300:15:47Sure, Darius. It's Andrew. To date, going back to the last rate case, we've been reluctant To bring forward our projects that have been cost competitive with the market because of the question around recovery. And the SRB, as Jeff talked about, really would be an Important tool to help us think about taking what's been less than maybe 20% of the megawatts that we've been procuring over the last couple of years and increase that number. Ultimately, we're going to make the investments that we need to make for reliability. Speaker 300:16:16And the 2 projects that are in our post test year plant that relate to our generation fleet, Jeff talked about those were commissioned this summer, our agave solar project as well as the batteries at our AZ Sun sites. Those are projects that were commissioned for this summer and those were really critical. And as some of the developers we work with have supply chain delays and some of those challenges, Our ability to deliver, I think, has been highlighted through those post test year plans. So we'll continue to look at ways to reduce lag And ultimately make the decisions that we need to make around capital from our perspective to make sure that we're delivering Each summer as we've seen these increasing peak demand numbers. Speaker 400:16:59Great. Thank you for that detail. Appreciate that. One more if I could. I just wanted to come back to the generation related O and M spending that Andrew highlighted in the opening remarks. Speaker 400:17:11Specifically, how do you see that shaping up for the back half of the year, just given the Amount that you have to run the generation resources, obviously, during this extremely hot weather, do you anticipate that there is sort of some additional catch up O and M, if you will, in the latter Part of the year and then related, assuming that weather normalizes in 2024 or thereafter, do you see that as An opportunity to flex down that O and M in future periods. Speaker 300:17:39Yes, Derek. So taking the first part of that, So the guidance range that we updated today incorporated anticipated O and M kind of across the year. And so We've seen the first half of the year absolute needs of the generation fleet. And from this July, there will certainly be continued needs. And so we've Anticipated those and frankly have in part used the benefit of July weather to look at the rest of the year and think about what are the needs we have and where are the pressure And if weather were to continue to be a factor for the rest of the year, absolutely making sure that we can generate support the generation fleet, both Palo Verde as well as, our traditional fleet, it's definitely part of the calculus. Speaker 300:18:23And so then when you think about weather for the rest The year post July, which we've incorporated at this point and has been part of strategically thinking about O and M. Every year, At the end of the summer, we look at our O and M opportunity set and risk set for the remainder of the year and into the next calendar year. And think about where we could flex our muscle around pull forwards, de risking. And so we'll do that to the upside and down As the year goes on, we're comfortable with the new O and M range that we've set out based on where we are, the decisions we've made effectively, Conversations that we normally have in October, once you've looked at the full summer, we're making those earlier. So We're comfortable with the range that we're in. Speaker 300:19:04And certainly, as we have weather, as we have continued wear and tear on our generation fleet, we've accommodated that within the current range. Speaker 500:19:17Okay, great. Thank you very much Speaker 400:19:18for that detail. I'll pass it along here. Speaker 600:19:20Thanks, Jared. Operator00:19:23Thank you. Your next question is coming from Alex Mortimer from Mizuho. Your line is live. Speaker 700:19:29Hi, good morning. Speaker 200:19:30Hi, Alex. Speaker 700:19:33So with the dual tailwind of new rates next year and the load increase that was This year materializing more in 2024. How should we think about the linearity of earnings in 2024 and 2025 and beyond? Kind of within the long term growth rate, should we expect you to be at the higher end of the 5% to 7% or should we think that there Potentially be more of a one time step up in 2024 given coming out of the rate case. Speaker 300:19:57Yes, Alex, we are definitely focused On the tools that we have at our disposal to create more linear predictable earnings Within that 5% to 7% growth rate. And so we're comfortable with the 5% to 7% rate. Certainly, we'll be Updating all the key drivers of our financial performance after the rate case concludes. Inevitably, given the outcome of the 2019 rate case and the financial reset there, rate relief will be a meaningful driver of our growth Over the medium term, it's hard to avoid that fact. However, the work we're doing around how do we manage O and M within the context of weather from year to year, How do we push for more capital to be tracked so we can create more rig gradualism for customers, but also more linearity for shareholders? Speaker 300:20:50Those are the levers within our control that we're trying to deliver within that long term EPS growth rate range, a little bit more of a predictable track within it. Ultimately, doing the things that are within our control and managing costs as best we can. Speaker 700:21:06Understood. Has there been any discussion internally about how to potentially think of a new base here for the long term growth rate given the increased clarity and potential step up We'll see following the resolution of the case later this year. Speaker 300:21:20Yes. Alex, that's all I think a conversation that we could have after the rate case. Ultimately, over the long term, we want to be able to through a linear earnings stream create a long term earnings growth rate that isn't based on the base year. That is a Continuous product of more predictable, less regulatory lag. And so those are the things that we're focused on to create that. Speaker 300:21:42So it becomes less about Specific base here, but as far as updating from our current 5% to 7% off 2022 weather normalized guidance, that's a conversation we can have after the rate case. Operator00:22:04Your line is live. Speaker 600:22:06Hey, good morning. Hey, Paul. Hi, Paul. So I apologize if I just wanted to sort of just follow-up again on the rate case. In the past, you guys were thinking that was potential that there'd be a settlement. Speaker 600:22:21I'm just sort of wondering where things maybe stand with respect to that potential given that we've had so many filings now and what have you. Speaker 200:22:29Yes. As we mentioned, we're just here a day away from filing rejoinder I see you got 5 rounds of testimony in the hearing scheduled to start in a week or so. So the likelihood that a settlement would sort of come up from there is low. We continue and we always look for Opportunities to narrow issues or for opportunities to engage in a conversation around that. But I think right now, It certainly seems like we're moving towards hearing. Speaker 200:23:04I will say, if you've been following the testimony and the interveners and the positions on this case, that this is Much more what I call a traditional rate case. It's a lot more fewer issues The more traditional things that are coming. So I think that that is positive in terms of where the cases has evolved to. Speaker 600:23:25Yes. It's a notable change from the last one. I agree with that. I want to also just sort of ask I haven't I've never been to Arizona in the summer and there's a lot of national media coverage of the recent heat wave. And I don't know whether or not it's being overdramatized or not, but it sounds like kind of extreme. Speaker 600:23:50And I'm just wondering, A, sort of your take on it because you guys are Or native, so to speak, or at least close to it. And so B, I know you mentioned it doesn't seem to have impacted Your outlook for growth, but just I mean, I don't need to sort of check off the list of sort of horrors that they're describing in terms of people getting burnt by just Sitting on the sidewalk or even I'm talking about like the cactus is dying kind of thing. Could you sort of just give a little more perspective on that? Speaker 200:24:23Yes. I mean, it's clearly a concern when you get into prolonged stretches of this. We've had I mean, we had a hotter day A number of years ago, I think the still record high day was actually quite a while ago, But it's the persistence of this heat wave that I think has really sort of challenged the policymakers. But the important thing to remember is that the heat in the desert in the summer is not new It's about being safe outside, making sure that you don't make contact with the pavement. The most important thing I think that Policymakers here are doing a nice job of is trying to address the unsheltered population. Speaker 200:25:14We've got, for example, Paul, an air conditioner program where we can help support through the foundation for senior living, people getting air conditioner repairs, because those are where it gets really dangerous. If you're just in a home with an air conditioner, people are kind of used to this, I think. But it's certainly something that you need to look at from a resilience standpoint in ensuring that as we continue to see longer periods of hot weather that we've got the resilience to be able to navigate that. But People are still moving here. It's still a very I think it's still the fastest growing county in the U. Speaker 200:25:53S. So I don't think the heat deters them. And It's kind of similar what you deal with in the Northeast and in the upper Midwest where you've got the really cold winters. You just got to know how to adapt to Speaker 600:26:06Okay. Well, thanks so much. Yes. Operator00:26:11Thank you. Your next question is coming from Shar Pourreza from Guggenheim Partners. Your line is live. Speaker 500:26:19Hi, guys. It's Jameson Ward on for Shar. How are you? Hey, good, Jameson. Hey. Speaker 500:26:26Just a quick one on the pension front. Just leaving 2023 aside for the moment, if we were to assume that the final order reflects The pension related adjustments from your rebuttal testimony, just thinking about the roughly $20,000,000 or so improvement there. What impact would you expect that to have going forward on pension related EPS drag? Just thinking about the amortization The corridor rule from last year's impact really. Speaker 300:26:59Yes, James. So just to step back, we do have that drag Now from the end of 2022 when we took into account the rapid increase in interest rates in 2022, which affect both our Fixed income portfolio as well as the interest costs associated with our pension. So we have that drag, which Year over year is in the 30 some odd cent range and you see it this quarter as you've seen it in prior quarters. And so one of the things we did say to the investment community is we wanted to reduce The lag associated with the pension expense and more properly reflect the test year expense Because we didn't know those numbers when we filed our direct case. And so on rebuttal, as you alluded to, we did, file to Take better account of what the tester should be based on averaging the mark to market end of 2021, mark to market end of 2022. Speaker 300:27:51And as you said, that's about a $20,000,000 benefit. When it comes to the impact there, that isn't going to be something that flows through pension accounting. That's when it's going to flow through the revenue requirement and through Customer charges. So that will be if it is approved, then we're going to continue to advocate for it through the case. Our staff Did not express support from it and there's a rebuttal testimony, but it's something we're going to continue to push for. Speaker 300:28:15That would just be reflected in the revenue requirement like everything else. However, at the same time, as we do every year, at the end of the year, we're going to have to reevaluate our pension expenses based on expected market returns, Where discount rates are at that point and what may, as you said, pass through the corridor and be considered material from the perspective I'll be getting to amortize, but the drag from 2022 will remain and the key is to reduce regulatory lag on the recovery of that through the adjustments and normalization request that we made on rebuttal. Speaker 500:28:49Got it. Perfect. Thank you, Andrew. I appreciate the color. Speaker 300:28:53Sure. Thanks, Jonathan. Operator00:28:56Thank you. Your next question is coming from Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is live. Speaker 400:29:08Hey, guys. It's Darius back on. Just one quick follow-up, if I could. Just wanted to ask about the change in your guidance Relative to the effective tax rate, it looked like it ticked up a little bit and now there's a band versus previously it was a point estimate. Just wondering what drove that? Speaker 300:29:27Yes, it did, Darius. Very perceptive. So what happened is in the Q1 when we set guidance, it was Slightly below 11% effective tax rate now we're at this 12% to 12.5%. And when if you recall, when we set that lower effective tax rate, it was based on our anticipated in service date of projects that generate production tax credits, namely the agave project. And so the higher tax rate now reflects Our better estimate of the in service date of the project. Speaker 500:29:59Okay, great. Thanks so much for clarifying. Operator00:30:05Thank you. That completes our Q and A session. Everyone, this concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by