NASDAQ:UEIC Universal Electronics Q2 2023 Earnings Report C$17.85 +0.41 (+2.35%) As of 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Seabridge Gold EPS ResultsActual EPS-C$0.81Consensus EPS -C$0.51Beat/MissMissed by -C$0.30One Year Ago EPSN/ASeabridge Gold Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$107.39 millionExpected Revenue$105.72 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$1.67 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASeabridge Gold Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/3/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, August 3, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsUniversal Electronics' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 1, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Universal Electronics Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Universal Electronics Second Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. You will then hear an automated message advising you your hand is raised. Operator00:00:24Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kirsten Chapman, LHA Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, Gerald, and thank you all for joining us for the Universal Electronics 2023 Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. By now, you should have received a copy of the press release. If you have not, please contact LHA at 415-433-3777 or visit the Investor Relations section of the website. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet. A webcast replay of this call, including any additional updated During this call, management may make forward looking statements regarding future events and the future financial performance of the company and cautions you that these statements are just projections and actual results or events may differ materially from those projections. Speaker 100:01:21These statements include the company's ability to timely develop and deliver new technologies and technology upgrades and related products introduced this year, including meeting the demand of for interoperability across devices, platforms and the hybrid systems in the home Achieving new product development and design near and longer term successes as anticipated by management in the connected home space And its line of ultra low power and energy harvesting control products designed to address the growing demand for more sustainable solutions in Electronic Devices. The continued successful collaboration with existing and new customers in developing and launching next generation projects, Software solutions and technologies into existing and new markets, which results in increased sales and market share growth for the company. The ability to optimize the company's manufacturing footprint on a time line and to the extent expected by management Management's ability to continue to manage its business inventories and cash flow to achieve its net sales, margins and earnings through financial discipline, operational efficiency, liquidity requirements, manufacturing footprint utilization strategy, including the recording of material impairment and severance The continued fluctuation of the company's market capitalization, The impact to the company's financial statements that may experience due to supply chain constraints and inflationary pressures and macroeconomic conditions it and its And the direct and indirect impact the company may experience with respect to its business and financial results stemming from the Continued economic uncertainty affecting consumers' confidence in spending, natural disasters, public health crises, governmental actions or political unrest, including war. Speaker 100:03:10The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update these statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after today's date and refers you to the press release mentioned at the onset of this call and documents the company has filed with the SEC, including its 2022 Annual Report on Form 10 ks and the periodic reports filed or furnished since then. In management's financial remarks, adjusted non GAAP metrics will be referenced. Management provides adjusted non GAAP metrics because it uses them for budget Planning purposes and for making operational and financial decisions and believes that providing these non GAAP financial measures to Investors as a supplement to financial GAAP measures help investors evaluate UEI's core operating and financial performance and business trends In addition, management believes these measures facilitate comparisons with the core Operating and Financial Results and Business Trends of Competitors and Other Companies. A full description and reconciliation of these adjusted non GAAP measures versus are included in the company's press release issued today. On the call today are Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Paul Arling, who will deliver an overview And Chief Financial Officer, Brian Hackworth, who will summarize the financials. Speaker 100:04:28Paul will then return to provide closing remarks. It's now my pleasure to introduce Paul Arling. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 200:04:36Thank you for joining us today. Our market diversification strategy is starting to take hold and we are confident it will drive long term growth and profitability for several reasons. First, our quality, innovation and service continue to be valued by our customers and end users, and our market share continues to grow in all the markets we serve. Next, the connected home market, which includes HVAC, home automation and security, approaches $2,000,000,000 in size and is Growing at a compound annual growth rate of nearly 10%. It represents a significantly greater revenue growth opportunity than the home entertainment market. Speaker 200:05:16Finally, and most importantly, we have quantifiable evidence that the product and technology solutions In this market, we have secured design wins for over 30 products currently in development. We have expanded our list of customers to include 6 of the top 10 largest HVAC companies in the world, who together account for about 1 third of the global HVAC market, and we are confident of more to come. I'll provide more context to each of these critical points as we talk a little about our history, where we are now and where we expect to go from here. First, UEI is and has always been about interoperability. Interoperability is defined as the ability for different Systems, devices, applications or products to connect and communicate in a coordinated way with minimal effort from the end user. Speaker 200:06:24This core value proposition was central in our growth and ultimate market share leadership in home entertainment. Our engineers created world leading products that delivered seamless interoperability to all devices in the AV stack. We solved our customers' challenge to gain control over these disparate devices and systems, not just some devices, But all devices and all brands, our solutions delivered a home entertainment control experience 2nd to none. With automated device discovery set up and control over everything in the home AV ecosystem, Consumers today are able to enjoy true interoperability in their home entertainment experience. Our expertise in connectivity protocols From infrared to radio frequency to IP and our ability to make those devices work better together gives us a competitive advantage that continues to create Over the last 3 plus decades, the home entertainment market has changed greatly and even more so over the last couple of years. Speaker 200:07:36Since our net sales peaked in 2019, our primary home entertainment market customers, the video service providers, have dramatic net subscriber losses, which were exacerbated by the impact we endured since the pandemic began. Even with this market decline, it is important to note that our technology leadership continued to grow and we continued to win new projects in the channel. In fact, today, our market share in home entertainment is as high as it's ever been. However, our absolute dollar amount of sales, particularly in subscription broadcasting, Has decreased substantially. We remain committed to this market and continue to support our customers with next generation solutions, including many hybrid systems that combine linear and stream content and our new line of low power sustainable energy harvesting products. Speaker 200:08:28While we lead the industry with innovative home entertainment control technologies, we continue to invest in growing our position in connected home applications. As noted, our customers and end users value our quality, innovation and service. And our patented leading wireless control Technology creates interoperability that is highly desired by customers seeking to extend the reach of their standalone or point solutions To become more integral to a connected smart home experience, with the average U. S. Home now exceeding 20 connected devices, The need for interoperability is greater than ever as these smart home devices bring connectivity and convenience to the home. Speaker 200:09:14However, these devices are often difficult to configure, in part due to a variety of often incompatible communication protocols and in part because their value of operating collectively is not yet fully explored. Today, we are actively engaged with the leading brands in various smart home applications to explore how their devices and features can work together to bring additional comfort, convenience, safety and security to the home. By way of example, in the climate control space, We developed a solution with a global HVAC brand to bring more product value and consumer benefit by enabling intelligent wireless connectivity their existing wall mounted HVAC controller and smart sensors throughout the home. These sensors, all designed and developed by UEI, include sensors for temperature and humidity, CO2, windows and doors, as well as the presence of people. These devices communicate to the controller to enable automatic energy management features that turn the HVAC system on or off Depending on the status of the various sensors, these sensors working together through software create a truly smart home as they can provide better comfort and energy savings automatically with no user intervention, the very definition of interoperability. Speaker 200:10:41We believe all future HVAC control systems will evolve to offer this level of sensing capability and UEI has the expertise, products and technologies to deliver these types of solutions. Similarly, in the security space, we recently introduced comprehensive retrofit smart lighting control system with a leading security brand that brings their installers a new smart home product category to their portfolio without requiring installers to touch the home's electrical wiring. The smart lighting system communicates through a UEI developed smart home hub That connects to the security panel, extending the safety and security features and creating a more feature rich end user experience. Also in Climate Control, this month, after 18 months of development, we began shipping the UEI Tide Touch Connected Thermostat With Mitsubishi Electric Train U. S, known as METAS, the first of many new design wins on our newest Connected Thermostat platform. Speaker 200:11:45This product works with Mitsubishi Trains' existing line of ductless systems and brings advanced features, including advanced humidity control and built in presence detection for automatic screen wake up. This offers Metis a solution to simplify their overall controller system interface, streamline the installation process with on screen instructions And optimize deployment costs utilizing UEI's modular power pack architecture designed into all our Tide Comfort family products. Another example is in the motorized shades area. In this space, UEI is uniquely positioned to connect disparate devices In the home to enable a higher degree of energy management by connecting smart motorized shades with a climate control system, namely our UEI Tide Touch thermostat. This system intelligently opens and closes blinds in the home to deliver a more automated temperature control experience. Speaker 200:12:49Through these examples and many more, we are excited about our progress. The connected home markets on which we focus, again, are nearly $2,000,000,000 in size growing quickly and represent fertile revenue growth potential. Not that different from our early days in the home entertainment channel when our market share was small and our desire and belief in the value of our technology, innovation was While we cannot disclose details of our other design wins in this market, these developments represent Significant potential new product revenue that will add to our top line in the coming 12 to 18 months. As noted, we are working on developments with 6 of the world's leading HVAC OEMs and we expect to introduce over 30 connected home products currently in development Between now and the end of 2024. We estimate that most of the new customer design wins in this market will launch by mid-twenty 24, with the remainder likely to follow later in the year, driving year over year net sales growth in 2024 And more revenue growth into 2025. Speaker 200:13:57This is just the beginning as we have approximately 100 projects, new and replacement at the quote and qualification stage as well. In summary, I'm confident that on the evidence of new design wins and the Customer momentum we have right now that we are already on the path to long term sales and growth profitability Now I'll turn the call over to our CFO, Brian Hackworth, for a review of the financials. Speaker 300:14:28Thank you, Paul. First, I'll review the results for the Q2 of 2023 compared to the Q2 of 2022. Net sales were $107,400,000 within our expected range compared to $139,100,000 for the Q2 of 2022. This reflects the uncertain environment we're currently facing, which is more than likely causing households to spend less on discretionary goods, ultimately affecting our end user markets. In addition, cord cutting in the video service channel has been a significant headwind. Speaker 300:15:00Gross profit for the Q2 of 2023 was $27,300,000 or 25.4 percent of sales, compared to 29.1% in the Q2 of 2022. This decrease reflects lower royalty income associated with the slowdown in television Sales as well as under absorbed manufacturing overhead. During the prior two results calls, we explained how over the past several years, The enactment of certain governmental policies and changes in the global environment necessitated the expansion of our Mexico facility and influence our decision to establish manufacturing operations in Vietnam. These expansions coupled with lower demand in our video service channel And projected growth in the home automation space, which because of a much higher average selling price requires fewer square feet of manufacturing space per sales dollar have resulted in us streamlining our manufacturing footprint. I'd now like to provide an update on our footprint optimization. Speaker 300:16:02As of last quarter, we were waiting for 2 final permits in Vietnam that would authorize us to begin operating. I'm pleased to announce these permits were received And manufacturing in our newly built Vietnam facility commenced in June. Operations in Vietnam are progressing as expected And if production targets are achieved as planned, we'll proceed to shut down our Southwestern China factory by the Q4, Reducing our footprint in China from 2 factories to 1. The final phase of our optimization effort will be to streamline operations in Monterrey, Mexico, resulting in a smaller and more efficient manufacturing footprint to meet production volumes for North American customers. We initially expected this phase to occur in the back half of twenty twenty four, but given the overall progress made to date, we're able to accelerate this transition up to the first half of next year. Speaker 300:16:56Cost savings related to these efforts combined with cost reductions at the corporate level are expected to range from $15,000,000 to $18,000,000 on a fully annualized basis. Moreover, we expect the downsizing of our factory footprint coupled with increased production volume associated with project wins in the HVAC and home automation channels to ultimately yield a utilization rate exceeding 90% with the flexibility to expand as needed. For the Q2 of 2023, operating expenses were $29,200,000 compared to $30,400,000 in the Q2 of 2022. SG and A expenses reduced to $21,000,000 compared to $22,100,000 in the prior year quarter. R and D expenses remained consistent at $8,200,000 compared to $8,300,000 in the prior year's quarter. Speaker 300:17:46Operating loss was $1,900,000 compared to operating income of $10,100,000 in the Q2 of 2022. In the Q2 of 2023, we received approximately $1,600,000 of tax incentives in China relating to programs involving R and D spend. The Q2 of 2023 recorded a net loss of approximately $800,000 or $0.06 per share Compared to net income of $8,400,000 or $0.66 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2022, Better than expected gross margins and solid cost management delivered a bottom line exceeding expectations. Next, I'll review our cash flow and balance sheet. On June 30, 2023, cash and cash equivalents were 55,800,000 compared to $66,700,000 at December 31, 2022. Speaker 300:18:38For the first half of twenty twenty three, Cash flows provided by operating activities were $13,300,000 which we used to reduce our outstanding line of credit to $75,000,000 at June 30, 2023. Now turning to our guidance. For the Q3 of 2023, we expect both sales and bottom line to improve sequentially. We expect sales to range from $108,000,000 to $118,000,000 compared to $148,500,000 in the Q3 of 2022. We expect EPS to range from $0.02 to $0.12 per diluted share compared to $1 per diluted share in the Q3 of 2022. Speaker 300:19:16I would now like to turn the call back to Paul. Speaker 400:19:19Thank you, Brian. As I said before, Speaker 200:19:22we are very excited about the progress we are making with new customer design wins, The reactions to our product and technology solutions and the potential growth in the new market opportunities. By By solving the consumer need for better interoperability across devices, platforms and ecosystems in the home, we became the global leader in wireless universal control. We utilize our foundational competitive advantages, our patented innovation in device control and connectivity technology, Our excellence in new product development and our commitment to providing great customer service to truly enable UEI has been doing this for over 3 decades in home entertainment. Now we are beginning to replicate that success in the climate control, home automation and security markets. We have been rebuilding UEI into a stronger company, Better position for growth and profitability. Speaker 200:20:17As we move through this year and into the next and deliver the many new projects We have won. We expect to drive year over year net sales growth in 2024 and with our footprint optimization, We expect to improve margins and operating efficiencies as well. As always, stay tuned. Operator, we can now open up the call for questions. Operator00:20:43Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Our first question Speaker 300:21:08comes from the line of Operator00:21:12Greg Burns from Sidoti, your line is now open. You may proceed. Speaker 400:21:17Good afternoon. Can we just Start off with the 10% customers for the quarter? Speaker 300:21:22Yes. Daikin was our 10% customer for the quarter at 12.6%. Speaker 400:21:29Okay. And when we look at the guide, you are pointing to, I guess, a little bit of improvement in the top and bottom line, maybe a little bit less than We were thinking, so when we look at some of the projects that you announced or wins with like Hunter Douglas, Samfi, Viven. Are those rolling out as fast as you expected or has that been a little bit slower? Like I guess, why is the back half of the year not strengthening to a greater degree given some of these Projects that you've talked about in the past? Speaker 200:22:11Well, sure. Yes. There are many projects, so I can't report on each one. As projects go, some might launch a month after, some maybe multiple months after we had planned. So that has happened on some. Speaker 200:22:27Other projects are right on time. In fact, most of our projects are right on time. As far as improvement, we're seeing some in Q3 and our expectation based on we've looked forward into next year At the many projects we've won, 30 plus of them in Connected Home, but there are also projects in home entertainment. On top of that, As we look into next year, we see a much better situation as the quarters improve As the quarters progress, some of these projects will come out before the end of this year. As I said on the call, one of them just launched Recently, sometimes projects start slow and ramp. Speaker 200:23:17The initial orders are smaller and then they ramp as the It varies by project. And again, there are so many at this point. As I said, over 30 in connected home, There is about 30 more in home entertainment and then we have 100 projects in the hopper either at the qualification stage or Quote stage, so we've got a lot of customer activity right now, probably more weighted to Connected Home than ever before. And again, when we layer these on to our forward forecast, things look pretty good as the quarters progress. Speaker 400:23:58Okay. I guess, could you just give us an update on what you're seeing in The home entertainment market, because it seems like Comcast fell off pretty significantly this quarter. So, I don't know if that's an indication of What's happening more broadly, but if you could just maybe give us an update on kind of what's going on there Speaker 300:24:18and Sure. Speaker 200:24:20Yes. Well, I won't comment specifically as we never do on specific customers. But as an industry, I guess I'd explain it this way. People that want to simplify the video service provider market simply look at subscribers and the change in subscribers. Our business is driven more off of 2 main things. Speaker 200:24:441, Cable and satellite providers have been losing customers since the beginning of time. Churn has been talked about for a long time. Some customers in that industry would lose 20% of their customers every year. Some years ago, When their subscribers were flat to growing, what that meant is they had about 20% new additions every year. That was a rich source of product for us because as you might imagine, when they install a new customer here in the U. Speaker 200:25:18S, So they were averaging over 2 of our products per install. So when the additions Have fallen off. The churn is still occurring, but they're having fewer additions. So if they were to lose, let's just say in that example, 20% of their customers, they used to add back at least 20 To get back to flat in number of subscribers, if they add 10% back, that cuts that part of your business in half, Right. Because they used to add they were at 10 and they lost 2. Speaker 200:25:56They used to add back 2, now they're only adding back 1. That Cut that in half. There is also a maintenance business, as you might imagine. If you're losing, let's just use the example I Gabe, if 80% of your customers stay with you, those customers, as I've said for many years, remotes live a hard life. They get thrown, they get eaten by dogs, they get hidden by children, they get beer spilled on them. Speaker 200:26:22These are all things we wouldn't warranty Our product performance against consumer calls and says I need a new remote, the last thing they want to do is tell them no, because If you have a subscriber that is paying you $80, $60 to $120 a month, you send them a new product. So that maintenance business was always there and still is. So these customers are still buying product. We have seen some of them flatten, meaning they've gone through the transition to a new model of not Aggressively promoting or they've sensed that demand just isn't there, so they haven't promoted to it, Right, because the demand isn't there, they're not going to promote. Some combination therein though, they've had fewer new additions. Speaker 200:27:14They still are adding customers, But much fewer than in the past and they still have that maintenance business. So in certain of our customers' Situations, we've seen it be roughly what it was last year, meaning they haven't They fell from their once high 4 years ago, but they're settling down to a maintenance mode at this point. Speaker 400:27:40Okay. Speaker 200:27:40I hope that explains about changes and how they affect us longer term. Speaker 400:27:46Yes. All right. And then just lastly, Immersion or investment arm connected to them took a large stake. Have they been in Contact with the Board or management team, have you spoken with them or has it just been more of a passive investment on their part? Speaker 200:28:04Well, they've reached out and we they're shareholders. So like all shareholders, we will communicate with them. Speaker 400:28:15Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank Operator00:28:24you. One moment as I promote the next person. Our next speaker is Jeff Van Sinderen from B. Riley. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:28:44Hello. This is Richard Magnuson in for Jeff Van Sinderen. Thank you for taking our call. First, can you give us more detail on where the Vietnam facility stands at this Juan, maybe speak to the longer term plans for manufacturing each respective business segments there? Speaker 300:29:00Sure. Yes. Vietnam is up and running and it commenced operations in the latter part of June. So As of this time last quarter, we were still waiting for 2 final permits, which we received. So we were able to commence operations. Speaker 300:29:18So far, things are operating as planned. It's going well. And assuming that it continues to go as planned, What we'll do is we will by the Q4 ultimately shut down our Southwestern China factory, and we'll transfer those units to, our remaining facility in Northern China as well as to Vietnam. So One of our again, it's contingent on Vietnam being able to hit its production targets, which I have no reason to believe they will not. But there is that contingency because it's a newly formed entity, but things are going well. Speaker 300:29:56So once that happens and they reach their targets, We're going to shut down again GTQ, which I expect to be in the Q4. Then as you follow into next year, the next Phase will be to streamline our Mexico operations and right now we have too much capacity. So It's still going to exist. We're just going to streamline it to get it to a more optimized level to commensurate with the production volumes. Speaker 500:30:25And so any details about regarding the different segments, the manufacturing across the different segments With respect to the Speaker 300:30:33Well, yes, we still have the tariffs. So anything that's destined for the North American market will be either produced in Mexico Speaker 200:30:45And then when it comes to Speaker 300:30:47the actual sales channels, honestly, it's not we don't manufacture by sales channels. So it's not as if you have a factory that It's more flight destination, not by we're not for the North American market again because of the tariffs, we're not going to manufacture in China and incur the tariff charge. So and then from a product line perspective, you have each of our factories will produce It could be HVAC and or modes for the AV market, etcetera. Speaker 500:31:13Okay. Thank you. And then, We know it's been challenging predicting the magnitude of decline in the legacy video business. So wondering what gives you confidence in your internal projections around future sales progression And then further, what prevents you from breaking up the metrics for the HVAC and Home Control and Automation segment? Speaker 200:31:34Sure. Yes. There's I think 2 general questions in there. What gives us confidence in the future, I think I alluded to this earlier. We have begun the process of discussing with customers their plans for next year. Speaker 200:31:51They often plan ahead because they want to make sure that we are ready for the demand that they have. So we do have those discussions with them. It's early at this stage because we're only in early August. But as the next months progress, we've already begun that. So with existing programs, with existing customers, that conversation has begun. Speaker 200:32:18And then on top of that, we've gone through the projects, as I mentioned earlier. There's 100 of them. Now again, some are in the quote stage or qualification, which means we're not in development For NPI, as we call it, new product introduction, we do have over 30 in the connected home area That will hit sometime between the product will launch sometime between now and next year. Most of them We'll launch in the next 12 months. We've looked at each of those products to determine, again, are they new? Speaker 200:32:58If they're new products with new customers, Then they would be additive to sales. If they are derivative products, they typically can be partially or not at all additive to sales. So there are cases where a customer will change its product and distribute it as they distributed the prior one. And unless there is a price increase, which in some cases there are, because it's a more advanced product, that would be partially additive. So we've gone through that level of detailed analysis to determine what do we think next year is beginning to look like. Speaker 200:33:34And that's where we have the confidence in saying, because we've looked at both of those. Now again, it's subject to review as we go through the rest But at this point, given the level of velocity we should see from these new programs, we feel Very good about what sales will look like next year at this point. Speaker 500:33:59All right. Thank you. And the last question was, what would prevent you from breaking out the metrics for the HVAC and the Home Control and Automation segment? Speaker 300:34:10Yes. It's something we're contemplating. I mean, I would never say never. Right now, we haven't done it. But I think in the past, we disclosed it as an ad hoc a couple of years ago, I believe. Speaker 300:34:24But it's something that as it continues to grow, it's something that we'll continue to review and determine if we should disclose it or need to disclose it publicly. Right now, we do not need to. Speaker 200:34:34Yes. And Richard, there's a little bit of grayness in it because we have the issue of we could do it by customer type, But because we're selling in some cases, we're selling HVAC products to security providers. In other cases, we actually have programs now where we're Selling HVAC products to video service providers. These worlds are beginning to collide Where customers are moving across home product types, so I suppose we'd have to be very definitionally clear About what whether it was the product cut or the customer cut we were looking at. So that's something that makes it a little bit more Difficult to define and we want to make sure that those definitions were clear so That everyone could understand it. Speaker 200:35:28So that's one of the tricks where we would have to work through. Are we doing it by product type or by customer type? Some of them are simple. We don't yet have HVAC companies buying Home entertainment controllers, but I won't tell you that that isn't something that they might not they may be interested in Because again, all of these home protocols are converging. There's many flavors of radio frequency control in the home that are being shared Across these product types, it's one of the reasons we feel very confident in our capabilities here because those many types of RF, including IP communication, Wi Fi, are being shared across these product platforms, home entertainment, Security, HVAC and home automation. Speaker 200:36:23So it's becoming more and more difficult As these product types converge, but we will look for a way to make this clear, whether it be through product or customer type or some other definition. Operator00:36:38All Speaker 500:36:38right. Thank you. Operator00:36:42Thank you. At this time, I'm showing no other questions. And I would like to turn the conference back to Chairman and CEO, Paul Arling. The floor is yours. Speaker 200:36:52All right. Thank you. Thank you all for joining us today and for your continued support of UEI, 2 things we plan to present at Rosenblatt's Annual Virtual Technology Summit Later this month and we will attend Sidoti's SmallCap Virtual Conference in September. Hope to see or hear from you Operator00:37:20This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Universal Electronics Second Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. You will then hear an automated message advising you your hand is raised. Operator00:00:24Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kirsten Chapman, LHA Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, Gerald, and thank you all for joining us for the Universal Electronics 2023 Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. By now, you should have received a copy of the press release. If you have not, please contact LHA at 415-433-3777 or visit the Investor Relations section of the website. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet. A webcast replay of this call, including any additional updated During this call, management may make forward looking statements regarding future events and the future financial performance of the company and cautions you that these statements are just projections and actual results or events may differ materially from those projections. Speaker 100:01:21These statements include the company's ability to timely develop and deliver new technologies and technology upgrades and related products introduced this year, including meeting the demand of for interoperability across devices, platforms and the hybrid systems in the home Achieving new product development and design near and longer term successes as anticipated by management in the connected home space And its line of ultra low power and energy harvesting control products designed to address the growing demand for more sustainable solutions in Electronic Devices. The continued successful collaboration with existing and new customers in developing and launching next generation projects, Software solutions and technologies into existing and new markets, which results in increased sales and market share growth for the company. The ability to optimize the company's manufacturing footprint on a time line and to the extent expected by management Management's ability to continue to manage its business inventories and cash flow to achieve its net sales, margins and earnings through financial discipline, operational efficiency, liquidity requirements, manufacturing footprint utilization strategy, including the recording of material impairment and severance The continued fluctuation of the company's market capitalization, The impact to the company's financial statements that may experience due to supply chain constraints and inflationary pressures and macroeconomic conditions it and its And the direct and indirect impact the company may experience with respect to its business and financial results stemming from the Continued economic uncertainty affecting consumers' confidence in spending, natural disasters, public health crises, governmental actions or political unrest, including war. Speaker 100:03:10The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update these statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after today's date and refers you to the press release mentioned at the onset of this call and documents the company has filed with the SEC, including its 2022 Annual Report on Form 10 ks and the periodic reports filed or furnished since then. In management's financial remarks, adjusted non GAAP metrics will be referenced. Management provides adjusted non GAAP metrics because it uses them for budget Planning purposes and for making operational and financial decisions and believes that providing these non GAAP financial measures to Investors as a supplement to financial GAAP measures help investors evaluate UEI's core operating and financial performance and business trends In addition, management believes these measures facilitate comparisons with the core Operating and Financial Results and Business Trends of Competitors and Other Companies. A full description and reconciliation of these adjusted non GAAP measures versus are included in the company's press release issued today. On the call today are Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Paul Arling, who will deliver an overview And Chief Financial Officer, Brian Hackworth, who will summarize the financials. Speaker 100:04:28Paul will then return to provide closing remarks. It's now my pleasure to introduce Paul Arling. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 200:04:36Thank you for joining us today. Our market diversification strategy is starting to take hold and we are confident it will drive long term growth and profitability for several reasons. First, our quality, innovation and service continue to be valued by our customers and end users, and our market share continues to grow in all the markets we serve. Next, the connected home market, which includes HVAC, home automation and security, approaches $2,000,000,000 in size and is Growing at a compound annual growth rate of nearly 10%. It represents a significantly greater revenue growth opportunity than the home entertainment market. Speaker 200:05:16Finally, and most importantly, we have quantifiable evidence that the product and technology solutions In this market, we have secured design wins for over 30 products currently in development. We have expanded our list of customers to include 6 of the top 10 largest HVAC companies in the world, who together account for about 1 third of the global HVAC market, and we are confident of more to come. I'll provide more context to each of these critical points as we talk a little about our history, where we are now and where we expect to go from here. First, UEI is and has always been about interoperability. Interoperability is defined as the ability for different Systems, devices, applications or products to connect and communicate in a coordinated way with minimal effort from the end user. Speaker 200:06:24This core value proposition was central in our growth and ultimate market share leadership in home entertainment. Our engineers created world leading products that delivered seamless interoperability to all devices in the AV stack. We solved our customers' challenge to gain control over these disparate devices and systems, not just some devices, But all devices and all brands, our solutions delivered a home entertainment control experience 2nd to none. With automated device discovery set up and control over everything in the home AV ecosystem, Consumers today are able to enjoy true interoperability in their home entertainment experience. Our expertise in connectivity protocols From infrared to radio frequency to IP and our ability to make those devices work better together gives us a competitive advantage that continues to create Over the last 3 plus decades, the home entertainment market has changed greatly and even more so over the last couple of years. Speaker 200:07:36Since our net sales peaked in 2019, our primary home entertainment market customers, the video service providers, have dramatic net subscriber losses, which were exacerbated by the impact we endured since the pandemic began. Even with this market decline, it is important to note that our technology leadership continued to grow and we continued to win new projects in the channel. In fact, today, our market share in home entertainment is as high as it's ever been. However, our absolute dollar amount of sales, particularly in subscription broadcasting, Has decreased substantially. We remain committed to this market and continue to support our customers with next generation solutions, including many hybrid systems that combine linear and stream content and our new line of low power sustainable energy harvesting products. Speaker 200:08:28While we lead the industry with innovative home entertainment control technologies, we continue to invest in growing our position in connected home applications. As noted, our customers and end users value our quality, innovation and service. And our patented leading wireless control Technology creates interoperability that is highly desired by customers seeking to extend the reach of their standalone or point solutions To become more integral to a connected smart home experience, with the average U. S. Home now exceeding 20 connected devices, The need for interoperability is greater than ever as these smart home devices bring connectivity and convenience to the home. Speaker 200:09:14However, these devices are often difficult to configure, in part due to a variety of often incompatible communication protocols and in part because their value of operating collectively is not yet fully explored. Today, we are actively engaged with the leading brands in various smart home applications to explore how their devices and features can work together to bring additional comfort, convenience, safety and security to the home. By way of example, in the climate control space, We developed a solution with a global HVAC brand to bring more product value and consumer benefit by enabling intelligent wireless connectivity their existing wall mounted HVAC controller and smart sensors throughout the home. These sensors, all designed and developed by UEI, include sensors for temperature and humidity, CO2, windows and doors, as well as the presence of people. These devices communicate to the controller to enable automatic energy management features that turn the HVAC system on or off Depending on the status of the various sensors, these sensors working together through software create a truly smart home as they can provide better comfort and energy savings automatically with no user intervention, the very definition of interoperability. Speaker 200:10:41We believe all future HVAC control systems will evolve to offer this level of sensing capability and UEI has the expertise, products and technologies to deliver these types of solutions. Similarly, in the security space, we recently introduced comprehensive retrofit smart lighting control system with a leading security brand that brings their installers a new smart home product category to their portfolio without requiring installers to touch the home's electrical wiring. The smart lighting system communicates through a UEI developed smart home hub That connects to the security panel, extending the safety and security features and creating a more feature rich end user experience. Also in Climate Control, this month, after 18 months of development, we began shipping the UEI Tide Touch Connected Thermostat With Mitsubishi Electric Train U. S, known as METAS, the first of many new design wins on our newest Connected Thermostat platform. Speaker 200:11:45This product works with Mitsubishi Trains' existing line of ductless systems and brings advanced features, including advanced humidity control and built in presence detection for automatic screen wake up. This offers Metis a solution to simplify their overall controller system interface, streamline the installation process with on screen instructions And optimize deployment costs utilizing UEI's modular power pack architecture designed into all our Tide Comfort family products. Another example is in the motorized shades area. In this space, UEI is uniquely positioned to connect disparate devices In the home to enable a higher degree of energy management by connecting smart motorized shades with a climate control system, namely our UEI Tide Touch thermostat. This system intelligently opens and closes blinds in the home to deliver a more automated temperature control experience. Speaker 200:12:49Through these examples and many more, we are excited about our progress. The connected home markets on which we focus, again, are nearly $2,000,000,000 in size growing quickly and represent fertile revenue growth potential. Not that different from our early days in the home entertainment channel when our market share was small and our desire and belief in the value of our technology, innovation was While we cannot disclose details of our other design wins in this market, these developments represent Significant potential new product revenue that will add to our top line in the coming 12 to 18 months. As noted, we are working on developments with 6 of the world's leading HVAC OEMs and we expect to introduce over 30 connected home products currently in development Between now and the end of 2024. We estimate that most of the new customer design wins in this market will launch by mid-twenty 24, with the remainder likely to follow later in the year, driving year over year net sales growth in 2024 And more revenue growth into 2025. Speaker 200:13:57This is just the beginning as we have approximately 100 projects, new and replacement at the quote and qualification stage as well. In summary, I'm confident that on the evidence of new design wins and the Customer momentum we have right now that we are already on the path to long term sales and growth profitability Now I'll turn the call over to our CFO, Brian Hackworth, for a review of the financials. Speaker 300:14:28Thank you, Paul. First, I'll review the results for the Q2 of 2023 compared to the Q2 of 2022. Net sales were $107,400,000 within our expected range compared to $139,100,000 for the Q2 of 2022. This reflects the uncertain environment we're currently facing, which is more than likely causing households to spend less on discretionary goods, ultimately affecting our end user markets. In addition, cord cutting in the video service channel has been a significant headwind. Speaker 300:15:00Gross profit for the Q2 of 2023 was $27,300,000 or 25.4 percent of sales, compared to 29.1% in the Q2 of 2022. This decrease reflects lower royalty income associated with the slowdown in television Sales as well as under absorbed manufacturing overhead. During the prior two results calls, we explained how over the past several years, The enactment of certain governmental policies and changes in the global environment necessitated the expansion of our Mexico facility and influence our decision to establish manufacturing operations in Vietnam. These expansions coupled with lower demand in our video service channel And projected growth in the home automation space, which because of a much higher average selling price requires fewer square feet of manufacturing space per sales dollar have resulted in us streamlining our manufacturing footprint. I'd now like to provide an update on our footprint optimization. Speaker 300:16:02As of last quarter, we were waiting for 2 final permits in Vietnam that would authorize us to begin operating. I'm pleased to announce these permits were received And manufacturing in our newly built Vietnam facility commenced in June. Operations in Vietnam are progressing as expected And if production targets are achieved as planned, we'll proceed to shut down our Southwestern China factory by the Q4, Reducing our footprint in China from 2 factories to 1. The final phase of our optimization effort will be to streamline operations in Monterrey, Mexico, resulting in a smaller and more efficient manufacturing footprint to meet production volumes for North American customers. We initially expected this phase to occur in the back half of twenty twenty four, but given the overall progress made to date, we're able to accelerate this transition up to the first half of next year. Speaker 300:16:56Cost savings related to these efforts combined with cost reductions at the corporate level are expected to range from $15,000,000 to $18,000,000 on a fully annualized basis. Moreover, we expect the downsizing of our factory footprint coupled with increased production volume associated with project wins in the HVAC and home automation channels to ultimately yield a utilization rate exceeding 90% with the flexibility to expand as needed. For the Q2 of 2023, operating expenses were $29,200,000 compared to $30,400,000 in the Q2 of 2022. SG and A expenses reduced to $21,000,000 compared to $22,100,000 in the prior year quarter. R and D expenses remained consistent at $8,200,000 compared to $8,300,000 in the prior year's quarter. Speaker 300:17:46Operating loss was $1,900,000 compared to operating income of $10,100,000 in the Q2 of 2022. In the Q2 of 2023, we received approximately $1,600,000 of tax incentives in China relating to programs involving R and D spend. The Q2 of 2023 recorded a net loss of approximately $800,000 or $0.06 per share Compared to net income of $8,400,000 or $0.66 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2022, Better than expected gross margins and solid cost management delivered a bottom line exceeding expectations. Next, I'll review our cash flow and balance sheet. On June 30, 2023, cash and cash equivalents were 55,800,000 compared to $66,700,000 at December 31, 2022. Speaker 300:18:38For the first half of twenty twenty three, Cash flows provided by operating activities were $13,300,000 which we used to reduce our outstanding line of credit to $75,000,000 at June 30, 2023. Now turning to our guidance. For the Q3 of 2023, we expect both sales and bottom line to improve sequentially. We expect sales to range from $108,000,000 to $118,000,000 compared to $148,500,000 in the Q3 of 2022. We expect EPS to range from $0.02 to $0.12 per diluted share compared to $1 per diluted share in the Q3 of 2022. Speaker 300:19:16I would now like to turn the call back to Paul. Speaker 400:19:19Thank you, Brian. As I said before, Speaker 200:19:22we are very excited about the progress we are making with new customer design wins, The reactions to our product and technology solutions and the potential growth in the new market opportunities. By By solving the consumer need for better interoperability across devices, platforms and ecosystems in the home, we became the global leader in wireless universal control. We utilize our foundational competitive advantages, our patented innovation in device control and connectivity technology, Our excellence in new product development and our commitment to providing great customer service to truly enable UEI has been doing this for over 3 decades in home entertainment. Now we are beginning to replicate that success in the climate control, home automation and security markets. We have been rebuilding UEI into a stronger company, Better position for growth and profitability. Speaker 200:20:17As we move through this year and into the next and deliver the many new projects We have won. We expect to drive year over year net sales growth in 2024 and with our footprint optimization, We expect to improve margins and operating efficiencies as well. As always, stay tuned. Operator, we can now open up the call for questions. Operator00:20:43Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Our first question Speaker 300:21:08comes from the line of Operator00:21:12Greg Burns from Sidoti, your line is now open. You may proceed. Speaker 400:21:17Good afternoon. Can we just Start off with the 10% customers for the quarter? Speaker 300:21:22Yes. Daikin was our 10% customer for the quarter at 12.6%. Speaker 400:21:29Okay. And when we look at the guide, you are pointing to, I guess, a little bit of improvement in the top and bottom line, maybe a little bit less than We were thinking, so when we look at some of the projects that you announced or wins with like Hunter Douglas, Samfi, Viven. Are those rolling out as fast as you expected or has that been a little bit slower? Like I guess, why is the back half of the year not strengthening to a greater degree given some of these Projects that you've talked about in the past? Speaker 200:22:11Well, sure. Yes. There are many projects, so I can't report on each one. As projects go, some might launch a month after, some maybe multiple months after we had planned. So that has happened on some. Speaker 200:22:27Other projects are right on time. In fact, most of our projects are right on time. As far as improvement, we're seeing some in Q3 and our expectation based on we've looked forward into next year At the many projects we've won, 30 plus of them in Connected Home, but there are also projects in home entertainment. On top of that, As we look into next year, we see a much better situation as the quarters improve As the quarters progress, some of these projects will come out before the end of this year. As I said on the call, one of them just launched Recently, sometimes projects start slow and ramp. Speaker 200:23:17The initial orders are smaller and then they ramp as the It varies by project. And again, there are so many at this point. As I said, over 30 in connected home, There is about 30 more in home entertainment and then we have 100 projects in the hopper either at the qualification stage or Quote stage, so we've got a lot of customer activity right now, probably more weighted to Connected Home than ever before. And again, when we layer these on to our forward forecast, things look pretty good as the quarters progress. Speaker 400:23:58Okay. I guess, could you just give us an update on what you're seeing in The home entertainment market, because it seems like Comcast fell off pretty significantly this quarter. So, I don't know if that's an indication of What's happening more broadly, but if you could just maybe give us an update on kind of what's going on there Speaker 300:24:18and Sure. Speaker 200:24:20Yes. Well, I won't comment specifically as we never do on specific customers. But as an industry, I guess I'd explain it this way. People that want to simplify the video service provider market simply look at subscribers and the change in subscribers. Our business is driven more off of 2 main things. Speaker 200:24:441, Cable and satellite providers have been losing customers since the beginning of time. Churn has been talked about for a long time. Some customers in that industry would lose 20% of their customers every year. Some years ago, When their subscribers were flat to growing, what that meant is they had about 20% new additions every year. That was a rich source of product for us because as you might imagine, when they install a new customer here in the U. Speaker 200:25:18S, So they were averaging over 2 of our products per install. So when the additions Have fallen off. The churn is still occurring, but they're having fewer additions. So if they were to lose, let's just say in that example, 20% of their customers, they used to add back at least 20 To get back to flat in number of subscribers, if they add 10% back, that cuts that part of your business in half, Right. Because they used to add they were at 10 and they lost 2. Speaker 200:25:56They used to add back 2, now they're only adding back 1. That Cut that in half. There is also a maintenance business, as you might imagine. If you're losing, let's just use the example I Gabe, if 80% of your customers stay with you, those customers, as I've said for many years, remotes live a hard life. They get thrown, they get eaten by dogs, they get hidden by children, they get beer spilled on them. Speaker 200:26:22These are all things we wouldn't warranty Our product performance against consumer calls and says I need a new remote, the last thing they want to do is tell them no, because If you have a subscriber that is paying you $80, $60 to $120 a month, you send them a new product. So that maintenance business was always there and still is. So these customers are still buying product. We have seen some of them flatten, meaning they've gone through the transition to a new model of not Aggressively promoting or they've sensed that demand just isn't there, so they haven't promoted to it, Right, because the demand isn't there, they're not going to promote. Some combination therein though, they've had fewer new additions. Speaker 200:27:14They still are adding customers, But much fewer than in the past and they still have that maintenance business. So in certain of our customers' Situations, we've seen it be roughly what it was last year, meaning they haven't They fell from their once high 4 years ago, but they're settling down to a maintenance mode at this point. Speaker 400:27:40Okay. Speaker 200:27:40I hope that explains about changes and how they affect us longer term. Speaker 400:27:46Yes. All right. And then just lastly, Immersion or investment arm connected to them took a large stake. Have they been in Contact with the Board or management team, have you spoken with them or has it just been more of a passive investment on their part? Speaker 200:28:04Well, they've reached out and we they're shareholders. So like all shareholders, we will communicate with them. Speaker 400:28:15Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank Operator00:28:24you. One moment as I promote the next person. Our next speaker is Jeff Van Sinderen from B. Riley. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:28:44Hello. This is Richard Magnuson in for Jeff Van Sinderen. Thank you for taking our call. First, can you give us more detail on where the Vietnam facility stands at this Juan, maybe speak to the longer term plans for manufacturing each respective business segments there? Speaker 300:29:00Sure. Yes. Vietnam is up and running and it commenced operations in the latter part of June. So As of this time last quarter, we were still waiting for 2 final permits, which we received. So we were able to commence operations. Speaker 300:29:18So far, things are operating as planned. It's going well. And assuming that it continues to go as planned, What we'll do is we will by the Q4 ultimately shut down our Southwestern China factory, and we'll transfer those units to, our remaining facility in Northern China as well as to Vietnam. So One of our again, it's contingent on Vietnam being able to hit its production targets, which I have no reason to believe they will not. But there is that contingency because it's a newly formed entity, but things are going well. Speaker 300:29:56So once that happens and they reach their targets, We're going to shut down again GTQ, which I expect to be in the Q4. Then as you follow into next year, the next Phase will be to streamline our Mexico operations and right now we have too much capacity. So It's still going to exist. We're just going to streamline it to get it to a more optimized level to commensurate with the production volumes. Speaker 500:30:25And so any details about regarding the different segments, the manufacturing across the different segments With respect to the Speaker 300:30:33Well, yes, we still have the tariffs. So anything that's destined for the North American market will be either produced in Mexico Speaker 200:30:45And then when it comes to Speaker 300:30:47the actual sales channels, honestly, it's not we don't manufacture by sales channels. So it's not as if you have a factory that It's more flight destination, not by we're not for the North American market again because of the tariffs, we're not going to manufacture in China and incur the tariff charge. So and then from a product line perspective, you have each of our factories will produce It could be HVAC and or modes for the AV market, etcetera. Speaker 500:31:13Okay. Thank you. And then, We know it's been challenging predicting the magnitude of decline in the legacy video business. So wondering what gives you confidence in your internal projections around future sales progression And then further, what prevents you from breaking up the metrics for the HVAC and Home Control and Automation segment? Speaker 200:31:34Sure. Yes. There's I think 2 general questions in there. What gives us confidence in the future, I think I alluded to this earlier. We have begun the process of discussing with customers their plans for next year. Speaker 200:31:51They often plan ahead because they want to make sure that we are ready for the demand that they have. So we do have those discussions with them. It's early at this stage because we're only in early August. But as the next months progress, we've already begun that. So with existing programs, with existing customers, that conversation has begun. Speaker 200:32:18And then on top of that, we've gone through the projects, as I mentioned earlier. There's 100 of them. Now again, some are in the quote stage or qualification, which means we're not in development For NPI, as we call it, new product introduction, we do have over 30 in the connected home area That will hit sometime between the product will launch sometime between now and next year. Most of them We'll launch in the next 12 months. We've looked at each of those products to determine, again, are they new? Speaker 200:32:58If they're new products with new customers, Then they would be additive to sales. If they are derivative products, they typically can be partially or not at all additive to sales. So there are cases where a customer will change its product and distribute it as they distributed the prior one. And unless there is a price increase, which in some cases there are, because it's a more advanced product, that would be partially additive. So we've gone through that level of detailed analysis to determine what do we think next year is beginning to look like. Speaker 200:33:34And that's where we have the confidence in saying, because we've looked at both of those. Now again, it's subject to review as we go through the rest But at this point, given the level of velocity we should see from these new programs, we feel Very good about what sales will look like next year at this point. Speaker 500:33:59All right. Thank you. And the last question was, what would prevent you from breaking out the metrics for the HVAC and the Home Control and Automation segment? Speaker 300:34:10Yes. It's something we're contemplating. I mean, I would never say never. Right now, we haven't done it. But I think in the past, we disclosed it as an ad hoc a couple of years ago, I believe. Speaker 300:34:24But it's something that as it continues to grow, it's something that we'll continue to review and determine if we should disclose it or need to disclose it publicly. Right now, we do not need to. Speaker 200:34:34Yes. And Richard, there's a little bit of grayness in it because we have the issue of we could do it by customer type, But because we're selling in some cases, we're selling HVAC products to security providers. In other cases, we actually have programs now where we're Selling HVAC products to video service providers. These worlds are beginning to collide Where customers are moving across home product types, so I suppose we'd have to be very definitionally clear About what whether it was the product cut or the customer cut we were looking at. So that's something that makes it a little bit more Difficult to define and we want to make sure that those definitions were clear so That everyone could understand it. Speaker 200:35:28So that's one of the tricks where we would have to work through. Are we doing it by product type or by customer type? Some of them are simple. We don't yet have HVAC companies buying Home entertainment controllers, but I won't tell you that that isn't something that they might not they may be interested in Because again, all of these home protocols are converging. There's many flavors of radio frequency control in the home that are being shared Across these product types, it's one of the reasons we feel very confident in our capabilities here because those many types of RF, including IP communication, Wi Fi, are being shared across these product platforms, home entertainment, Security, HVAC and home automation. Speaker 200:36:23So it's becoming more and more difficult As these product types converge, but we will look for a way to make this clear, whether it be through product or customer type or some other definition. Operator00:36:38All Speaker 500:36:38right. Thank you. Operator00:36:42Thank you. At this time, I'm showing no other questions. And I would like to turn the conference back to Chairman and CEO, Paul Arling. The floor is yours. Speaker 200:36:52All right. Thank you. Thank you all for joining us today and for your continued support of UEI, 2 things we plan to present at Rosenblatt's Annual Virtual Technology Summit Later this month and we will attend Sidoti's SmallCap Virtual Conference in September. Hope to see or hear from you Operator00:37:20This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by