Autodesk Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 8, 2023

There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to AirMark's Third Quarter Fiscal 2023 Earnings Results Conference Call. My name is Kevin, and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded for rebroadcast and that all participants are in a listen only mode. We will open the conference with questions I will now turn the call over to Felise Castell, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Ms.

Operator

Castell, please proceed.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and welcome to Aramark's Q3 fiscal 2023 earnings conference call and webcast. This morning, you'll be hearing from our Chief Executive Officer, John Zilmer as well as Chief Financial Officer, Tom Androff. As a reminder, our notice regarding forward looking statements is included in our press release this morning, which can be found on our website. During this call, we will be making comments that are forward looking. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied as a result of various Risks, uncertainties and important factors, including those discussed in the Risk Factors, MD and A and other sections of our Annual Report on Form 10 ks and other SEC filings.

Speaker 1

Also, we will be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of these items to U. S. GAAP can be found in this morning's press release as well as on our website. With that, I will now turn the call over to John.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Felice, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. This morning, Tom and I will review our Q3 results, which reflect a strong focus on growth across the organization and momentum in our return to normalized margins. We will also share an update on the significant progress we've made on the Uniform Services spin off transaction. We will then turn to our raised financial expectations This fiscal year with just one quarter to go before opening the line for questions. We believe that our performance driven culture and all that it represents Has created substantial opportunities that we expect to capitalize on in the months and quarters ahead.

Speaker 2

Before I get into the results, I want to acknowledge a tremendous loss the Aramark family had a few weeks ago. John Orobono, our Senior Vice President of Supply Chain Lost is a hard fought battle with cancer. As many of you know, John returned to Aramark in October of 2019 and was with the company for almost 40 years in total. He was a true inspiration, a dear friend to so many of us and a visionary who changed the way supply chain is managed, first for Aramark and then throughout the foodservice industry, establishing a true gold standard. True to his focus on doing everything he could for Aramark, he left a strong capable team and a solid succession plan.

Speaker 2

Our hearts are heavy, but we have full confidence in those who learned from all John so generously shared. I will now turn to the quarter. Aramark's organic revenue grew over 14% compared to the same period last year. Global Food and Support Services consisting of the FSS US, FSS International and Corporate Reportable segments contributed year over year growth of more than 16% Uniform Services increased by approximately 5%. Within Global FSS, the U.

Speaker 2

S. Segment grew organic revenue nearly 15% year over year, Led by continued momentum from net new business, strong per capita spending and increased event attendance in sports and entertainment And continued favorable trends across the business and industry sector as a result of greater return to work activity at client locations. International organic revenue increased more than 20% versus the comparable period last year. Performance was driven by robust net new business performance, A busy sports and concerts calendar in Europe, particularly in Germany and Spain, as well as strong mining activity in South America. Global FSS continues to add broad based new business contributions from all sectors and geographies with retention rates maintained above 95%.

Speaker 2

Since last quarter, just to name a few, our student nutrition team won DC Public Schools And within B and I, we expanded our relationship with Walmart to serve their new headquarters and add micro markets and vending locations across the country. Collegiate Hospitality has been active during its typical selling season and was recently awarded Towson University and the College of William and Mary among others. The International segment also gained new clients in higher education, including Kingston University in the UK and Ridley College in Canada I had ongoing success with other bread and butter wins across the portfolio. One of the most important developments The quarter that Tom will review more in detail was our work with customers in the Education Sector and Corrections Business. As we have said in the past, the margins in these businesses have been artificially compressed due to the sudden and significant inflation Not seen in this country for decades.

Speaker 2

We're very pleased to report that our clients have recognized our strong service levels and the cumulative effect of many quarters of outsized inflation And they've recently agreed to meaningful price adjustments that will bring us a big step closer to normalized margins. The benefit from this will occur partially in the 4th quarter and more fully in the Q1 of fiscal 2024 and beyond. The progress and spirit of partnership we've seen in this quarter makes us more confident than ever But our return to normalized margins is proceeding apace and we fully expect will inevitably be achieved. The meaningful progress this quarter is a gratifying proof point of the strength of our bond with our clients and their satisfaction with our service to them. Organic revenue growth in Uniform Services was driven primarily by pricing actions and growth in adjacency sales, partially offset by the rollback of an energy surcharge that was implemented in the Q3 last year that represented approximately 80 basis points.

Speaker 2

We're pleased to have Uniform Services leadership well in place, and the strategic growth plan is underway with early signs of success coming from improved analytics, Portfolio targeting analysis and adjacency sales. We expect this underlying momentum to build into next year and well beyond. Regarding the spin off, our collective teams have made significant progress related to the operational, regulatory and financial logistics. We expect to complete the spin off at the end of our fiscal year subject to customary closing conditions and based on the current macroeconomic and capital market environment. A few key milestones as we work towards execution of the transaction.

Speaker 2

Just this morning, we announced the future Board of Directors This impressive and highly qualified group will provide helpful strategic insight to the Uniforms leadership team and their mission to drive significant value. The Board will be chaired by Uniforms Industry veteran, Philip Holliman, former President and Chief Operating Officer of Cintas, with over 2 decades of experience in the industry. The Uniform's Board will also include other seasoned leaders who have strong relevant backgrounds in Uniform and similar route based businesses. AUS is finalizing terms on approximately $1,800,000,000 in financing through banking partners, consisting of $1,500,000,000 in term loans and a $300,000,000 revolving credit facility. Given the attractive cash flow attributes of the Uniforms business, The interest rates are anticipated to be comparable to Aramark's most recent refinancing.

Speaker 2

With these proceeds, SpinCo is expected to transfer Finally, Kim and her team will host an Analyst Day in New York City in the morning of September 13 September 13, which will also be available via webcast to review the strategic plan for Uniforms and the next phase of value creation.

Operator

This will be

Speaker 2

a great opportunity for you to meet the strong team of executives, including exceptional new hires from leaders within the industry and we'll share more details with you soon. We're excited about the potential and strategic benefits of both businesses operating as independent companies. Before turning the call to Tom, I'd like to highlight a few key accomplishments related to our ESG and DEI initiatives, reflecting our ongoing commitment to positively impact people and the planet through our Be Well, Do Well plan. These initiatives remain highly important to us as well as our clients, partners and shareholders across the globe.

Speaker 3

First,

Speaker 2

we've taken another step forward in our sustainability efforts. Just last month, we received confirmation from the Science Based Targets Initiative of our goals to reduce our carbon footprint according to their net zero standard. These targets follow and complement our existing ESG commitments. Also, I'm proud of our recent recognition as a best place to work for disability inclusion and perfect 100% score on the Disability Equality Index once again. We continue to be focused on creating a welcoming and inclusive culture across the organization and diversity, equity and inclusion

Speaker 3

Thanks, John and good morning everyone. Our performance in the 3rd quarter reflected continued strong top and bottom line momentum across the portfolio. As John mentioned, Aramark reported consolidated revenue of more than $4,700,000,000 in the period, representing year over year organic growth in excess of 14%, Underpinned by 6% pricing and strong contributions from net new business as well as continued recovery of the base business. Operating income in Q3 was $203,000,000 Adjusted operating income of $240,000,000 was 34% higher on a constant currency basis compared to the same quarter last year. AOI margin of 5.1% increased 75 basis points year over year It was more than 40 basis points higher than the 2nd quarter, which typically has similar margin levels.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, AIM Services, Which historically contributed 15 to 20 basis points to total company AOI margin is not included given the sale of our non controlling stake at the beginning of April. Across all segments, higher year over year profitability in the quarter was driven by operating leverage from higher revenue And the maturing of new business from prior years as well as improved supply chain economics and disciplined above unit cost management. Organic revenue in AOI and Global FSS increased 16% and 47% respectively year over year on a constant currency basis. Organic revenue growth was led by contributions from strong net new business and pricing actions as well as base business growth Coming most notably from higher per capita spending in Sports and Entertainment Business and return to work activity in the business and industry sector. Global FSS AOI margin increased 86 basis points compared to the Q3 last year and 27 basis points sequentially versus the Q2.

Speaker 3

On a constant currency basis, Uniform Services organic revenue increased 5% And AOI grew nearly 13% compared to Q3 last year. AOI margin was up approximately 80 basis points to 11.1%, reflecting a nearly 140 basis points sequential improvement compared to the 2nd quarter. As John mentioned, revenue growth in was impacted by 80 basis points due to the rollback of an energy surcharge put in during the Q3 last year. The segment's significant margin expansion versus prior year was driven by the initial benefits from implementing a sales strategy focused on a more balanced revenue mix, including adjacency and add on services, as well as early savings related to efficiency initiatives, including the organizational restructuring Earlier in the year. Across the portfolio, supply chain normalization continues to be a key contributor to growing profitability this year And we believe will be a significant future opportunity for the business.

Speaker 3

As John and I have mentioned before, a few of our food services Businesses experienced lag in recovering inflation due to a more periodic pricing, generally once a year, Including Collegiate Hospitality Meal Plans, Student Nutrition and Corrections. These businesses account for roughly 25% of our total company revenues. Over the past few quarters, the teams have worked hard with our customers We will now begin the Q4

Speaker 2

of 2019. We will now begin the Q4

Speaker 3

of 2019. At the same time, We've seen inflation moderate over the past quarter. While we obviously cannot control the precise path of inflation going forward, We feel good about our ability to recover this price cost lag, which coupled with our normal year end seasonality gives us confidence in the expected upward margin inflection during Q4 and further benefit rolling into next year. Turning to the remainder of the income statement. Net interest expense was $113,000,000 in the quarter, reflecting $630,000,000 of debt repayment and the adjusted tax rate was approximately 27%.

Speaker 3

Our quarterly performance resulted in earnings per share of $1.29 which included the net gain on sale of equity investments And adjusted EPS of $0.36 On a constant currency basis, adjusted EPS was $0.37 in the quarter Compared to $0.25 in the same period last year, representing a year over year increase of 48%. With regard to cash flow, net cash provided by operating activities was $23,000,000 and free cash flow was a use of $80,000,000 in the quarter, which is consistent with the typical seasonality of the business. The $16,000,000 year over year free cash flow improvement Was driven by stronger net income results and favorable working capital, partially offset by higher capital expenditures, which at 3% of revenues year to date It's still lower than historical levels. At quarter end Aramark had over $1,000,000,000 in cash availability. Net cash provided by investing activities included approximately $635,000,000 in combined proceeds from the sale of our 50% equity stake at AIM Services And a portion of our ownership position in the San Antonio Spurs NBA franchise.

Speaker 3

We also took another big step forward in strengthening our balance sheet with a proactive $1,100,000,000 refinancing of the company's 2025 Term Loan B To extend the debt maturity by more than 5 years to June 2030. We are pleased with the outcome of the transaction It was completed at attractive terms, adding a run rate of just $2,000,000 per quarter in interest expense and is net leverage neutral, while maintaining a comparable fixed to floating debt ratio. We will continue to be opportunistic in enhancing our capital structure And financial flexibility. Let me finish up with our current outlook for fiscal 2023. We are raising our expected organic growth revenue growth to near 15% compared to greater than 13% previously.

Speaker 3

This growth is anticipated to be comprised of global FSS at near 17% compared to approximately 15% in our last update And Uniform Services remaining around 5.5%. We're also lifting our expected AOI growth to approximately 33% Compared to approximately 32% previously. This growth is anticipated to be comprised of global FSS At 46% compared to approximately 45% previously and Uniform Services raised to 8% We continue to expect free cash flow to be around $475,000,000 before payment of the $64,000,000 FICO Payment completed in the Q1 and the anticipated cash flow impact of approximately $100,000,000 to 120 1,000,000 related to restructuring charges and transaction fees associated with the Uniform spin offs. After these We expect our free cash flow to be approximately $300,000,000 And finally, leverage ratio at the end of the fiscal year continues to be projected I'm pleased with our performance in the quarter and the momentum we are building. The spin off transaction continues on pace And we believe strongly in the many opportunities ahead for both companies.

Speaker 3

Our teams across the globe continue to control what can be controlled with a sharp and resolved focus on delivering great service to our clients and growing the business profitably. Thanks for your time. John?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Tom. I'm extremely pleased with our performance this quarter and remain confident in our ability The 4th quarter is historically our highest margin and free cash flow period and we're laser focused on delivering strong results. As I said last quarter, we set a high bar for ourselves as a company and have a lot to accomplish in the coming months. And I'm confident in the Aramark team to get the job done with a focus on being the most admired employer and trusted hospitality partner. I'm excited about the opportunities ahead to further our success and drive top and bottom line growth into the Q4, fiscal 2024 and well beyond.

Speaker 2

Operator, we will now open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Harry Martin with Bernstein. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi. Good morning, everyone. I hope you're well. Three questions from me.

Speaker 5

The first one, I think on

Speaker 4

the international organic growth, that acceleration, certainly sequentially, if you look versus 2019, up over 30 Organically, yes, I think there has been some acceleration in inflation in those markets, but can you dimension how much That is from new wins and market share gains and what's driving that continued success in the international business. The second question I have is you made quite a few comments about the ramp up of new business wins contributing to margins. So I wondered if you could Give a little bit more specific commentary on some of the vintage contract wins from 2020 2021 that are Starting to hit that 2 to 3 year maturity level that you spoke about at the Investor Day. Are margins in those contracts ramping And starting to be accretive to the group level even with some of the accelerated cost inflation. And is there a lot more And then the final question is just on the disclosure of your major shareholder that they're

Speaker 2

This is John. I'll answer the question on the First of all, I think the form speaks for itself. I think they were very explicit with respect to what their intentions were or are. Paul and his team at Mantel Ridge have been great thought partners. As I think the 13D described, The Mantle Ridge general partner will continue to be invested for the long term, but the 13D also does indicate the fact that the Fund will be winding down.

Speaker 2

So I think the form speaks for itself and they would have to comment I think any further on that. But With respect to international growth, we're very pleased with the performance in the international group. We've had a lot of bread and butter wins and new account sales over the course of the last couple of years. And most of those accounts have been what I would characterize as mid sized accounts. They ramped Profitability more rapidly and they've grown very nicely.

Speaker 2

So retention rates remain high in international as well as And domestic, so we're seeing that really impact the growth line. Plus we've had strong performance in the sports and entertainment sector year over year And in the concert season that has contributed significantly to that year over year growth as well. So Tom, I'll leave it to you to answer on The individual account ramp up?

Speaker 3

Yes. The maturity is on new business continues to move along Very much as we expect. Some of the bigger accounts that we've won, Corning comes to mind back in 2021, Purdue, of course, Merlin, Continue their efficiency and maturity ramp. I think overall it's fairly linear. We don't expect any significant jump as we move forward, but just to continued move forward.

Speaker 3

And then the key for us going forward as we've mentioned many times before is just to continue to deliver a consistent net growth number So that we don't have years where there's really nothing and then years where there's a lot. So that maturity is Moving up as we would expect and we're very pleased with it.

Operator

Great. Thanks very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks Harry.

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan. Your line

Speaker 6

Hi. It's Andrew. Two questions. Sorry about the static. The first one is, Tom, if I did my math right, I Steve, the implied middle of the range AOI margins are about 6.9% for the 4th quarter.

Speaker 6

Hi. Is that correct? Again, 6.9% for the 4th quarter is what I got in the implied Q4? And then secondly, with The price increases that you talked about in the areas of education and prison for the Q4, does Aramark feel all caught up With underlying input collect inflation at this point?

Speaker 3

Yes. I'll trust your math on the margin, Andrew. It's usually better than mine. And then on the price increases, I don't think we are fully caught up. I think it continues to be a journey.

Speaker 3

As John mentioned, inflation hit hard And in these three businesses K-twelve, Higher Ed, Corrections, it's been a journey over the last 18 months To get on the right side of that and the teams keep chipping away at it, big July 1 or thereabout and then in September for higher ed, They've made a big step in the direction, but I think there's still more to come into next year.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Heather Balsky with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. Two questions for you. First, can you talk about the, I guess, underlying leverage that's planned For the Uniforms business, you talked about the $1,800,000,000 but I think we're all kind of backing into what EBITDA may be for Uniform. So can you help us there in terms of the leverage ratio is?

Speaker 7

And then separately, just on the margin topic With regards to your mid term goal with regard with what you're seeing with pricing, this inflationary environment, Are you still thinking that you'll end up at the low end? Or is there a change in view there? Thanks.

Speaker 3

On the leverage, the idea here is to come out roughly 4 times where the companies will split at parity Ideally. So that's I think that's the math that you can work off of To get the underlying EBITDA for AUS. On the margin in the midterm, Yes. I mean we're tracking, there are 2 adjustments over the past 2 years I think To the margin flow for us, one of course is the divestiture of AIM, which as I said before is about Roughly 20 basis points to the total company margin. And the other, if you were putting The 2 companies together a couple of years from now in FY 2025, the public company costs For AUS would also be a factor.

Speaker 3

So with inflation, we talked about before STEP Really ramping up post the Analyst Day, we were trending towards the lower end of that range. And then with those two adjustments That I just mentioned, we still feel comfortable that we're moving forward. We'll progress to and through The margin we had in 2019 and should feel pretty good about getting into that the range we indicated on the Analyst Day.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Ian Daffino with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Congratulations on the quarter firstly and great to see the great guide. As far as what that guide now means, how should we be thinking about your return or at least the pathway of your return to pre COVID margins, does this now accelerate when you thought you were going to get back? And as Lysitis and Lysitis, how should we think about the cadence on the return back to pre COVID? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Again, the margin will progress and we will, like I just said, get to and through The 2019 margin, we really have a lot of confidence in that. The timing of it, again, we can't predict The pace of inflation and what will happen, we're we've had significant margin progression This quarter and will this year up 75 basis points. We expect to move it forward Quite a bit into 2024 and we'll update you on that outlook in November. So we continue a pace so to speak to progress the margin.

Speaker 3

But and it will continue in a fairly linear way. But I just I'm low to sort of step out in front of the margin at this point from a guidance standpoint Given that the uncertainties with inflation and whatnot. So But again, the overall business and what we see going forward and the progress we've made and the progress we have in sight, We continue to progress the margin significantly in the quarters ahead.

Speaker 8

Okay, understood. And then also On the spin, it seems like the Board is pretty stacked there. You've had some really great additions or appointments. Can you tell us maybe what's driving that? What are some of these members seeing that's really attracting them there?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. I think we have assembled a very dynamic Board for AUS and it was I work over many months between me and Art Winklevlak, our Nom and Gov Chair, who We began the selection process more than a year ago to build what we wanted to be a very dynamic and high energy board That could add significant value to that to the NewCo, to the SpinCo. And so we frankly targeted very Significantly several individuals who we thought would be great and we were able to attract all of them based on The opportunity that exists at AUS and what they see as the future potential of the business and a strong management team that we have in place, I think all of them were very eager to work with Kim and to move forward in the business and saw it as a great opportunity for value creation for the shareholders, for the employees and just an opportunity to participate in what would be a Terrific board. So yes, we're very excited by all the appointments. We've got a great group of people, seasoned executives With very relevant experience, very diverse viewpoints and perspectives and so we are very excited about it.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Thanks very much. I was hoping you could give some additional color on the new business wins from the quarter or on the pipeline. Anything incrementally different versus last quarter in terms of the strength of the pipeline? Also, I know you've given the gross new business in past quarters, and maybe also just focus on education as well.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think it's been a very active selling season and still underway in all the businesses. We have A very robust pipeline with lots of opportunities both domestically and internationally. So we feel very good about Another strong year of net new performance. And so I think the Specific accounts individually, many of them have been awarded yet, contracts haven't yet quite been signed and we're not operating them.

Speaker 2

So we'll be a little bit more Hesitant about naming names yet at this stage while we're working through some of those processes. But yes, we feel very good about another A 3rd year of very strong net new and solid business performance. So Walmart, great addition in terms of their corporate headquarters And we've also had significant wins in higher education both domestically and internationally. And so I'm very pleased with the results and very pleased with the level of pipeline activity. As you know, As a senior leadership team, we review these results on a monthly basis with each of the business units.

Speaker 2

So the momentum is there, The focus is there and we feel very good about the overall results for the organization.

Speaker 9

Great. And hoping you could talk maybe a little bit about international, very strong quarter there. I guess maybe Thinking about the different regions, how is the U. K. Faring?

Speaker 9

Any strengths to call out across the different geographies or challenge areas? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say we've got good actually strength across all sectors and all geographies leading to that Significant performance year over year. So in specific callouts, I would say, obviously, the sports and entertainment season in Europe has been very strong in particular in Spain and in Germany and that's been very robust. The concert season It has been terrific. Strong mining performance in Chile and strong results in Canada as well.

Speaker 2

So It's very broad based and I wouldn't characterize any region as being below our expectations. So we're very pleased with the overall results from international.

Speaker 9

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thanks, Chris. Our next question comes from Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi. Thank you very much for taking my question. Can you I want to focus a little bit more on kind of the things that have been inflating and deflating. A lot of the food staple items have really been deflating, just not even slowdown in inflation, but actual deflation. Can you talk about how this is impacting the gross margin currently?

Speaker 10

Is this more of a benefit than you were expecting to see at this point in time? And should we see a really strong margin going forward if this kind of continues? And then what about the wage deflation Part of the package is that slowing down as much or is that kind of offsetting still some of the food staple items that are deflating?

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say, first of all, there are certain commodities that have come off significantly year over year And that is certainly benefiting us from a supply chain perspective. But keep in mind that even though it is Moderating, it is still higher year over year. And so we are recovering through pricing the impacts of that inflation. Food away from home index still a little running a little higher than the original expectations.

Speaker 2

So While certain commodities are breaking down and having an impact, overall net net in the business, we're still working to recover the Total inflationary pressures on the food side, making significant progress, no doubt about it. And if we continue to see the trend Moving forward, there will be an enhanced margin impact as a result of that. So it's just hard to The last few weeks as you see the oil price begin to shoot back up again, it can be an impact item on transportation, which could affect Food cost inflation as well. So we see a moderating trend. We're very pleased with that.

Speaker 2

We anticipate that it will continue to improve And but really not in a position to call the precise pathway, if you will. From a labor perspective, We are seeing moderating inflation and pressures in labor as labor availability It continues to improve very slowly. And so overall, we feel very comfortable in our ability to recover both wage pressures and Food cost inflation over the course of the next 12 months as it moderates. As Tom said, we're still working, still pricing, still managing every day the middle of the P and L to optimize for our customer locations and our client expectations and having I think significant success and we're looking forward to the Results in the Q4 and the ramp into next year.

Speaker 10

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Neil Tyler with Redburn. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Yes. Thank you. Good morning, John. Good morning, Tom. A couple left for me, please.

Speaker 5

Firstly, The price adjustments that you've achieved in Education and Corrections, the during the negotiations Around that, is there anything different in the structure or it's been altered in the structural terms of those contracts that might mean More immediate price adjustments if costs decline significantly. That's the first part of that question. And the second is Any might these negotiations have any knock on effect on retention? I'm thinking more positively than negatively, but I'd appreciate your thoughts on either. And then just a sort of a smaller question relating to your comments on the strength of The entertainment in activities in international, should we think about that as Slightly sort of abnormally high base, I know it's not a big number in the scheme of things, but the concert season in Germany and Spain, is that Sort of especially strong and unusually strong.

Speaker 5

So just wary of not wanting to cast off the wrong number for next year. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, I'll take the last part first. First of all, I wouldn't say it's abnormally strong. I would say that it's stronger than the prior year based Improved overall customer opportunities and improved attendance. So you still had last year somewhat of a lag from COVID that was impacting some of the sporting events and some of the concert season.

Speaker 2

So It's really more back to normal would be the way I would characterize both the concert and soccer seasons in Europe. So I wouldn't call it out as being abnormally high, just higher than prior year due to that circumstance. Thanks. Yes. So I think that's right.

Speaker 2

And Tom, do you want to take the Yes.

Speaker 3

And I'll just add to that comment, Neil, that It's sort of like playoff baseball or weather or whatever. I mean, we're not going to call that out. It's just these things ebb and flow and You take the good and the bad with in each year and you just build upon it. So it's not something that I would call out as an exceptional. Pricing negotiations changed contracts not really where it's existing client in the middle of a term.

Speaker 3

Certainly, we're using the last year and a half as an experience and a way to modify New contracts going forward so that the old escalators and some of the contract language that we had in the past When there's 20 years of benign inflation isn't particularly going to work anymore. So where we've had opportunities obviously with new contracts, but then With renewals and retention efforts, we've worked to change language, so we have more flexibility. But if it's just mid term and we're Getting a pricing exception for those contracts. I don't think it's really changed the contract language much. And then impact on retention, if I'm following the question, not really anything notable there.

Speaker 5

Okay. I just wondered if you were able to use the opportunity to extend any contracts.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say I would add that yes, we have taken the opportunity to extend and use the negotiation process Not only to recover costs for the near term, but as I've said many times before, we look at these contracts as annuities. And that's why in many cases we were willing to wait to get appropriate pricing because we didn't want to put the contract at risk by pushing it out to bid because we were in a tough profit situation in a given year. So We look at these as long term deals, long term relationships, average contract life close to 20 years. As we've worked through these negotiations, we've done it very carefully with an eye towards keeping that customer for the long term and solving for cost recovery as well.

Speaker 2

So I would say no impact to retention From a negative perspective, I would say proactive extensions included with many of those renegotiations.

Speaker 3

That's great. Very helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Leo Carrington with Citi. Your line is open. Leo, your line is open. You can ask your question.

Operator

Again, Leo Carrington, your line is open. You can ask your question. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Yes. Hi. Thank you. So I wanted to talk about the increase in organic guide for FSS. I think when you initially guided for the year, it was a mix of new business growth, around 4 point 5 5% sort of pricing and the underlying recovery in COVID volumes.

Speaker 11

It sounds like where we are now, Is it primarily just incremental pricing that has helped you increase that guide? It sounds like maybe there's better So just wanted to get your perspective on disaggregating the various factors That have helped you increase the outlook.

Speaker 3

Yes. At the end of the year, we'll in November, we'll recap the year By components, once the dust settles and we've got a good picture of it. But I'd say if I'm looking at this point, 3 quarters of the way through the year, against those original assumptions, I would say the pricing is Had to have been higher than we thought. I think as we talked about at the beginning of the year, inflation has persisted all year For longer than we thought at the beginning of the year. So, I think pricing has probably been a slightly oversized driver of The over performance, but the realized net growth has been strong.

Speaker 3

I think less so the COVID recovery, a little bit better, but I'd say pricing is the bigger driver With the other 2 slightly over performing expectations.

Speaker 11

Understood. And then just to follow-up, how do you think about Your sort of market share, are you continuing to see sort of increased trend in Sourcing or do you think you're still continuing to win share? I know you've previously talked about a combination of both, But how has your thinking evolved there?

Speaker 2

Yes. I don't think it's really changed from our beliefs about The normal kind of run rate in the business, we don't we are focused on growing the business. The total addressable market is huge and so we continue to be focused on delivering net new From both organic new account wins from both competitors as well as self op conversions, we See that self op conversion trend continuing this year. So we overall, we don't really measure it in terms of share shift between The competitors, we look at the gross business wins and our net new as being the drivers and the things that we can manage and the opportunity set We look at closure rates and we look at ultimately that total addressable market. I would say we continue to get our fair share of new opportunities.

Speaker 2

We continue to see increasing self op conversion and Overall, terrific opportunities ahead. So, yes, we're very pleased with overall performance of the organization as it relates to growth and we'll continue to focus on it.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Leo Carrington with Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. If I could ask 2, just Firstly, on I appreciate you'll sort of square that organic growth bridge towards the end of the year. But when it comes to thinking about pricing specifically, can you indicate sort of the pricing levels In Q3, just presumably, when it comes to thinking about pricing into the end of the year and maybe more FY 2024, will this fade in importance as it sort of catches down to CPI?

Speaker 12

Or do you think your Do you think the price recovery will sort of continue to be a growth And driver or sort of margin driver into 2024? And then secondly, maybe a follow-up question on that. In terms of the Uniforms margin specifically, Q3 was obviously pretty strong. I think it's Good. It's the best quarter in 2019.

Speaker 12

Is this all underlying? Is there anything to sort of call out that was favorable? Or is this just the impacts of the actions you've taken and the perhaps the energy impacts fading away?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, on the AUS question, I think it's underlying. I mean, it's The impact of the management team, Kim has been in place coming on 2 years. The focus, the ability of the team to drive the performance of the business forward, the revenue The line is shifting, if you will, as they look at the client base, more emphasis On adjacencies and add on services, continue to build the selling machine. Andy Panos has come in To lead the sales group here in the last couple of quarters, so I think that will start to shift and move forward and as we lap this energy Surcharge that's artificially holding down the year on year growth optics.

Speaker 3

I think they'll deliver good momentum as we move into 2024 and beyond on Bottom line, again, Kim and Rick and the team have really Focused in on making the business more efficient this past year in anticipation of the spin. And I think They'll talk more about what the opportunities that they have ahead of them on a profit perspective As they speak next month and then post the spin, so I know they're excited about both the top and bottom lines Opportunities that they have going forward. In terms of pricing, I mentioned it was 6% in the quarter. So that's roughly where we were last quarter as well. Those benefits will carry into next year.

Speaker 3

We typically have not been able To price for margin, but just for cost recovery. But as the inflation cost dynamic Trends downward and that pricing stays in place and we're quite confident that it will. I think that that recovery of that price Inflation lag will become more apparent as we move into 2024 and beyond. How important a piece of the puzzle it is to our revenue growth going Forward totally depends on inflation. I mean, if we revert back to the sort of 2% norm that we had for 20 years, it becomes much less of an impact.

Speaker 3

If it stays elevated, it will be more prominent in the revenue numbers.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thanks, Tom. Appreciate that.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ashish Labadra with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just a couple of quick clarifying questions. One was just on the surcharge In the Uniform business, the 80 basis point headwind, is that the right level that we should think about for the next three quarters? And then on the pricing side, how should we think about the pricing in Uniform Business going forward? How was the trending and how should the trend going forward?

Speaker 13

Any color on those fronts would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say, 1st of all, the impact in this quarter was approximately 80 basis points. The impact In the Q4, it's actually a little bit higher year over year with respect to the Fuel recovery fee that's been eliminated. So it's nearly 2% in the 4th quarter. So that would Normalize starting in the Q1 of next year.

Speaker 2

So there's a little bit of a lag yet as they anniversary Those fuel recovery fees that are now eliminated. So, but their pricing in the rest of the business has been robust and they've been able to recover their costs as demonstrated by their improving margin performance, both coming from both Improving pricing recapture and improving cost leverage. So, I would expect that pricing leverage to continue going forward And the comps will get better just as they anniversary that fuel recovery fee that's now no longer in place.

Speaker 13

That's very helpful, Philip. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Chan with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 14

Congrats on a very good quarter, guys.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 14

Yes. Hi. So I guess When Tom, when you mentioned the pricing dynamic into next year and then moderating inflation, how should we think about Your margin seasonality in 2024 as compared to normal when you seem to have those two

Speaker 3

Again, we'll give you sort of more Of a look or a little bit more granular when we get to November at around 24. But by and large, it's not going to change the shape. We'll still have the U shaped margin dynamic as we move into next year. Any dynamic Pricing outpacing inflation as we go through the year next year would be around the edges, but the true shape is still going to hold And not be materially affected.

Speaker 14

Okay. That's fair. And then on the retention side, you mentioned Retention continues to be very strong. I guess underneath that, are you seeing any more desires from customers to kind of shop around now that we're past the Supply constraint environment, just anything there recognizing that you continue to maintain very strong retention rates? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, I would say it's pretty normal level of activity from a rebid perspective. I mean, some years are higher than others based on kind of structural impacts to the business. As you know, the USDA has very strong requirements with respect to rebid activity in the K-twelve So there is kind of years where you have heavier retention and some years where it's lighter just dependent upon where school districts are in the cycle. But by and large, I think the activity level is very consistent year over year and the pipeline It's very, very strong.

Speaker 2

So I don't see a higher degree of propensity for change Across the industry, I think it's just kind of at its normal level. And so we always are pursuing new opportunities We're always working aggressively against the targeted list of prospects and some are scheduled rebids and some are Unscheduled, we just work aggressively against that target list of prospects and work to grow the business. So I would say not a change in customer behavior that I could identify.

Speaker 14

Great. Thank you for the color and thanks for your time.

Operator

Our next question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 15

Hi, good morning. This is Ronen Kennedy on for Manav. Condolences on the passing of your colleague. Thank you for taking my question. As a follow-up, I think to Leo's question on pricing, can you and the confidence that you've Expressed and it's sticking.

Speaker 15

Can you just kind of give insight or articulate how and why prices will stick, whether it's a function of the Contract structure, the value and high level of service provided to clients, etcetera. And then also just a reminder on where we stand In terms of percentages of contracts that are P and L cost plus or management fee, and how you see there being benefits to each through the expected moderation of inflation.

Speaker 2

Yes, I would say, first of all, our expectation that pricing sticks is Based on the history of the business and based on the way it's operated as an industry, it's Very rare for us to take pricing down except maybe on a particular commodity that's had a Unusual price spike that may have some artificial pricing approach. I think back to the days when coffee was impossible to get and coffee prices were elevated, Coffee prices moved up and then moved down when that particular commodity had an impact. That's not the way the business gets priced anymore. We really price across the market basket of products. And so it's rare for us to move a price Once a consumer has already begun to pay that price for the product.

Speaker 2

So pricing is, I would say, highly sticky. And remember, you're pricing to the consumer, not to the client. So these aren't contractual prices buried in the client relationship. They're consumer based There are consumer based prices that are that the end user is paying. With respect to pricing, I think we all believe it will be very, very sticky and that we'll continue to be able to price to recover costs Going forward as we've discussed, and I'm sorry, what

Speaker 3

was the second half? On contract types.

Speaker 2

Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 3

So yes, we continue to move back Towards P and L, I mean, the changes still reside primarily in B and I, where the volumes aren't fully recovered. And that's really the driver of converting to a P and L or running a P and L is having adequate volume. So Not quite back to where we were in 2019, but continuing to move towards that. The inflation dynamic And pricing dynamic with each contract, it does have its plus and minuses, no pun intended on that. The cost Plus is obviously an immediate pass through to the client, but does have a margin headwind Again, if we were billing them $100 previously, now we're billing them $120, but we're still getting our $10 fee on both.

Speaker 3

So it depresses The margin even though it increases the revenue. When prices fall, you lose the revenue on a cost plus contract, but your margin goes up. So That dynamic is cost plus typically are a lower risk scenario for us And it ebbs and flows on the top line as pricing moves up and down. P and L is the dynamic We really like because we control the cost component, pricing and inflationary environment It accrues to us and as John just mentioned, we believe it will stay in place and be sticky And then we can also manage through the cost components so that we don't have that headwind against the margin Typically that we might have with a cost plus contract that limits our profitability in most cases. So we like the P and L format And in an inflationary environment, we'd be happy to continue to move back to that P and L cost plus mix that we had prior to the pandemic to take advantage of that.

Speaker 15

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Operator

Our last question comes from Harold Antor with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 16

Good morning. This is Harold Antor on for Stephanie Moore. So just on the new business wins, could you provide us an idea of what it represented And the quarter, and then just give us an understanding on the size and shapes of the new business wins and the industries that You won them in and then provide any insight on where you winning this business from regionals or Some of your competitors.

Speaker 3

Yes. We'll give you more update at the year end on it as we typically On net growth, on all those factors, on the contribution to the year, Where we're winning it from and but suffice it to say that it's moving along as John said very, Very solid year for us continues to be a 3rd year of significant growth versus where we were Prior to the pandemic and the source of wins continues to be pretty broad based, Both where it's coming from and where we're winning it geographically. So overall, Continue to be pleased with the growth engine within the business And give you further updates when we get to year end.

Speaker 16

Got it. And I guess on my last question, With you having such a lot of the contracts locked in and high confidence in the Pricing, what could help you achieve or exceed the guidance for on the revenue and operating income For the quarter and for the year. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would just add that I think if Inflation continues to moderate and we don't see any unexpected economic consequences. We see continued improvement going into the Q4 as we've discussed, we see continued improvement going into next year. That really is An exciting time inside the company. We feel very good about the results for the quarter and feel good about the trajectory for the Q4 for the year and we're very resolved in terms of delivering very strong results.

Speaker 2

I would say the inflation outlook is improving and that has a potential impact opportunity going forward. So I will summarize the call basically by saying thank you very much for your support of the organization. We're excited about What's going on inside the business? We feel good about the Q3. We feel very good about the opportunity to go ahead and get It's been completed at the end of the fiscal year.

Speaker 2

We've made very significant progress around a range of Activities, the balance sheet, improving profit performance, improving margin performance And solid growth. So we're pleased with where we are, have a lot of work to do and we are committed to delivering for our shareholders. So Thank you very much everybody.

Operator

Thank you for participating. This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.

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