NYSE:DUK Duke Energy Q2 2023 Earnings Report Earnings HistoryForecast California BanCorp EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.91Consensus EPS $0.98Beat/MissMissed by -$0.07One Year Ago EPS$1.14California BanCorp Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$6.58 billionExpected Revenue$6.16 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$421.78 millionYoY Revenue Growth-1.60%California BanCorp Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/8/2023TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, August 8, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by California BanCorp Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 8, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Duke Energy Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Glenn, and I'll be the operator of today's call. I will now hand over to your host, Abby Moisinger, Vice President of Investor Relations to begin. Speaker 100:00:22Thank you, Grant, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Duke Energy's 2nd quarter 2023 earnings review and business update. Leading our call today is Lynn Good, Chair, President and CEO along with Brian Savoy, Executive Vice President and CFO. Today's discussion will include the use of non GAAP financial measures And forward looking information. Actual results may be different from forward looking statements due to factors disclosed in today's materials and in Duke Energy's SEC filings. Speaker 100:00:56The appendix of today's presentation includes supplemental information along with a reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures. With that, let me turn the call over to Lynn. Speaker 200:01:06Abby, thank you, and good morning, everyone. Today, we announced adjusted earnings per share of $0.91 for the quarter. For the Q2 in a row, mild weather impacted results. For perspective in the Carolinas, January February were the mildest in the last 30 years. In May June, we're in the top five. Speaker 200:01:26Through June, we're facing a weather headwind of nearly $0.30 Agility measures have been put in place, which add to the $300,000,000 O and M reduction with excellence while maintaining our assets for the future. Brian will provide more on cost management in a moment. We've had an early look at July. And as you would expect, July weather is positive, consistent with the trend across the U. S. Speaker 200:01:56And August September are in front of us. With our largest quarter ahead, we are reaffirming our guidance range for 2023 and we'll have more to say on projected results for the year on the Q3 call. As we look ahead, the fundamentals of our business are strong and we are reaffirming our 5% to 7% growth rate. Turning to Slide 5, you'll see highlights of the strategic portfolio repositioning we've executed over the last decade. With the announcement of the commercial renewables sale, which we expect to close by the end of the year, we're a fully regulated company operating in constructive and growing jurisdictions with a wealth of clean energy investments driving growth for years to come. Speaker 200:02:36The regulatory constructs in our states have also meaningfully improved over this time, Including landmark bipartisan energy legislation passed in North Carolina in 2021. Modern constructs Like those in HB951, allow us to invest for the benefit of our customers, while preserving returns for our investors. We are pleased that today 90% of our electric utility investments are eligible for modern recovery mechanisms that mitigate regulatory lag. Our growth story is an organic one with over $145,000,000,000 of clean energy, grid and LDC investments over the next decade. With the portfolio repositioning complete, our sole focus is on our regulated businesses and the work we have underway to pursue the largest energy transition in our industry. Speaker 200:03:25Let me now turn to Slide 6 to provide an update on our progress in each jurisdiction. In North Carolina, we continue to work toward solution of the Duke Energy progress rate case. We implemented interim rates June 1, subject to refund, With rates for typical residential customers increasing about 5%. We expect the commission to issue an order later this month Final DEP rates going into effect October 1. We're also preparing for the Duke Energy Carolinas hearing, which is scheduled to begin August 28. Speaker 200:03:58Our energy transition in the Carolinas remains a top strategic priority, and we're working diligently on updated resource plans to be filed with the Public Service Commission of South Carolina And the North Carolina Utilities Commission respectively in mid August. Similar to previous filings. The plans are based on significant stakeholder engagement and will outline multiple portfolios, each of which preserve affordability and reliability while transitioning to Cleaner Energy Resources. IRA benefits will be incorporated into the analysis for the first time As well as increasing load from numerous economic development announcements and continued strong population migration into the Carolinas. Our modeling will also reflect higher reserve margins as a result of our continuous evaluation of resource adequacy. Speaker 200:04:50Later this year, we will begin the CPCN process in North Carolina for replacement gas generation. At the same time, solar procurement will continue on an annual basis. In fact, our 2022 solar procurement was recently finalized with nearly 1,000 megawatts to be placed in service by 2027 And our 2023 solar RFP targeting 1400 megawatts was recently approved by the NCUC With bids to be received later this year. Following the resource plan filings, each commission will hear from interested parties through a transparent regulatory as they consider our proposals. We expect an order from the South Carolina Commission in mid-twenty 24 and an order from the North Carolina Commission by the end of Turning to Florida. Speaker 200:05:38We're executing on our investment plan to benefit customers. We've added 300 megawatts of new solar this year and now operate 1200 Megawatts in the state with plans to continue adding about 300 Megawatts per year over the next decade. We're hardening the grid through our storm protection plan and already seeing benefits from improved reliability. With robust customer growth and timely recovery of investments, our Florida Utility continues to deliver strong returns. In Kentucky, we've partnered with Amazon to install a 2 megawatt solar plant On top of their fulfillment center in Northern Kentucky, the largest rooftop solar site in the state. Speaker 200:06:18This partnership supports Carbon reduction goals of both Duke Energy and Amazon. And it's just one example of how we're working with our customers to meet their energy needs. Turning to Indiana, I'd like to take a moment to thank the nearly 2,000 crew members that worked tirelessly over the July 4th holiday Following multiple storms, the widespread storm systems extended across our entire service territory and led to a multi day effort to restore over 300 70,000 outages. And in fact, today in the Carolinas, our crews are also working to restore outages that resulted from the strong storms in the Eastern seaboard And are doing so safely, timely and in close communication with our customers and stakeholders. As with all operations, the safety of our employees, environment and communities remain front and center. Speaker 200:07:06And I'm proud to say that for the 8th consecutive year, We've led the industry in safety as measured by total incident case rate. On the federal side, we're taking advantage of multiple incentives and other We're incorporating IRA tax benefits into resource plans and rate adjustments across our jurisdictions to lower costs for customers. And federal funding from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act creates opportunity to advance new resources and spur economic development. We have put forward multiple proposals through the IIJA, including for methane reduction, carbon capture, long duration storage, hydrogen and grid modernization, and we'll continue to evaluate opportunities as funding is announced. We continue to advocate for federal and state support that recognizes the importance of a responsible energy transition. Speaker 200:07:57And in fact, later today, we will file comments on EPA's proposed 111 rule. While we support EPA's commitment to a cleaner energy future, we believe an orderly transition requires a diverse mix of energy resources and must align with the pace of technology development. We will continue to actively work with policymakers, Industry peers, state partners and others in support of a reliable affordable energy transition. In closing, we've navigated the first half of the year with Agility Taking swift action in the face of record mild weather while maintaining our focus on our strategic priorities. With our portfolio repositioning complete, we offer an attractive fully regulated organic growth proposition. Speaker 200:08:41We have a clear strategy ahead of us as we invest to satisfy By increasing demand for clean, affordable and reliable energy across our growing regions, our long term fundamentals remain as strong as ever, And we're well positioned to deliver sustainable value and 5% to 7% earnings growth over the next 5 years. And with that, let me turn the call over to Brian. Speaker 300:09:01Thanks, Lynn, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with quarterly results and highlight key variances to the prior year. As shown on Slide 7, we reported a 2nd quarter loss of $0.32 per share and adjusted earnings of $0.91 per share. This compares to reported and adjusted EPS of $1.14 $1.09 last year. GAAP reported results include an impairment of Approximately $1,000,000,000 related to the commercial renewable sale, which is reflected in discontinued operations. Speaker 300:09:33Announcing the sale agreements represents a key milestone, And I'm pleased with the progress we've made to date on this important strategic move. Within the operating segments, Electric Utilities and Infrastructure was down $0.14 compared to last year, driven by $0.16 of unfavorable weather. Absent the weather, we saw growth from rate cases and riders and lower O and M, partially offset by lower volumes and higher interest expense. Moving to Gas Utilities and Infrastructure, results were up $0.01 due to higher margins and customer growth. And within the other segment, we were $0.05 lower primarily due to higher interest expense, partially offset by higher market returns on certain benefit plans. Speaker 300:10:17Turning to Slide 8. Cost Management has become part of the Duke Energy DNA and continues to produce sustainable savings. We're leveraging digital innovation, data analytics and process improvements to increase efficiency, making targeted capital investments to reduce maintenance costs And reshaping our operations to streamline work and lower costs. We've established a proven track record. And in 2022, we're an industry leader across Key O and M cost efficiency measures. Speaker 300:10:48Coming into 2023, we implemented a $300,000,000 cost mitigation initiative to address interest rate and inflation headwinds. These reductions, which were incorporated into our base plan, Are focused on corporate and support areas and remain on track. And as we said, 75% of these savings are structural and will be sustainable into future years. As Lynn mentioned, we've seen record mild weather in the first half of the year. We've taken action to offset these pressures, Including launching significant business agility in the Q1. Speaker 300:11:22We're looking to tactical O and M reductions and other levers, including deferring non critical work, Reducing spend on outside services and limiting non essential travel and overtime. We expect about $0.20 of mitigation from these measures We will be thoughtful about these actions, keeping our unwavering commitment to safety, reliability and customer service at the forefront of our approach. Looking ahead, residential decoupling in North Carolina will be fully implemented in 2024. But until then, we will continue to flex the agility muscle that we have done so successfully in the past. Turning to Slide 9. Speaker 300:12:02I'll touch on electric volumes and economic trends. Volumes are down 0.6% on a rolling 12 month basis. In the residential class, customer growth remained robust at 1.8%, but was offset by lower usage per customer. We believe this is partially driven by energy efficiency and a growing trend of returning to the office. In addition, we continue to see most of the weakness in months when weather was extreme. Speaker 300:12:30In these situations, it can be challenging to precisely estimate the weather component of total volume variances. The long term residential growth trajectory remains strong. In fact, residential volumes have averaged just under 1% growth per year for the past 5 years and are 4% above pre pandemic levels. In the commercial class, 2nd quarter volumes are trending above our full year estimate, Supported by continued growth in data centers. In the industrial class, planned investment in our territories continues to be robust. Speaker 300:13:03Many of our large customers are expanding and we partnered with our states to attract over 29,000 new jobs And $23,000,000,000 in capital investment in 2022. These investments represent several key sectors such as battery, EVs and semiconductors, And we expect they will provide around 2,000 megawatts of demand as operations ramp up. The strength of our service territories Was also reflected in CNBC's annual list of America's Top States for Business, where 5 of the states we serve ranked in the top 15 And North Carolina ranked number 1 for the 2nd year in a row. In the near term, Operator00:13:43we've seen Speaker 300:13:44a slight pullback in some of our manufacturing Due to softening demand in certain sectors of the economy, we're monitoring the impact of macroeconomic trends, but the underlying fundamentals, Residential customer growth and commercial and industrial investment continue to support long term growth of roughly 0.5% per year. Moving to Slide 10. Let me highlight some of the credit supportive actions we've taken to maintain balance sheet strength. We continue to collect deferred fuel balances and have filed for recovery of all remaining uncollected 2022 fuel costs. In April, we began recovery of $1,200,000,000 in Florida over 21 months with a debt return. Speaker 300:14:27We also reached settlement with the public staff in our DEC North Carolina fuel proceeding and expect to receive an order in the coming weeks. Per the agreement, we would recover approximately $1,000,000,000 of deferred fuel by the end of 2024. Across our jurisdictions, we're on pace to recover $1,700,000 of deferred fuel costs in 2023 and expect our deferred fuel balance to be back in line with our historical As Lynn mentioned, we expect to complete the sale of our commercial renewables business by the end of the year, And we use proceeds for debt avoidance at the holding company. In addition, about $1,500,000,000 of commercial renewables debt will come off the balance sheet when the transactions close, These actions are credit positive and we expect to see continued balance sheet improvement in 2024 as we recover the remaining deferred fuel costs and see the full year impact of both North Carolina rate cases. Moving to Slide 11. Speaker 300:15:30This year marks the 97th consecutive year of paying a quarterly cash dividend And the 17th consecutive annual increase. Looking forward, we're executing on our strategic priorities and are excited about The path ahead is a fully regulated company. We operate in constructive growing jurisdictions, which combined with our $65,000,000,000 5 year capital Glen give us confidence in our 5% to 7% growth rate through 2027. Our attractive dividend yield, Coupled with long term earnings growth from investments in our regulated utilities, provide a compelling risk adjusted return for shareholders. With that, we'll open the line for your questions. Operator00:16:14Thank you. Please ensure your phone is unmuted locally. With our first question comes from Shahriar Pouwesah from Guggenheim Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:36Hey, guys. Good morning. Speaker 200:16:38Hi, Shar. Speaker 500:16:38Good morning, Shar. Speaker 400:16:40Good morning. Lynn, obviously, Brian, it's been a little bit of a slow start to the year, weather driven, you're not alone. You reiterated guidance, but can you just talk about where you are within the 23 range assuming normal weather and how we should Think about incremental levers, especially given where you are from an O and M perspective. I mean, clearly, in the slides, you show how efficient you are and you've pulled a lot So just curious if you could be a little bit more specific on how much cost mitigation is left for the year, especially if weather doesn't transpire? Thanks. Speaker 200:17:15Sure. Thanks for the question. No question. It's been a mild weather year. And I so I look around the industry, there are other utilities who've Experienced a trend similar to ours, Midwest and some in the Southeast. Speaker 200:17:28We have put mitigation plans in place. As Brian talked about, Sharjah, so deferring non critical work, 3rd party spend, all of those things that you would expect us to attack tactically In 2023, and we see those progressing. We also are on pace with the $300,000,000 of O and M that we targeted to take out of the business coming into 'twenty Great. So I look at all of that and the fact that we have the Q3 of HEV ahead of us and we believe the range We can reaffirm the range. The range still represents the potential we have for 2023, and we'll update within that range at the end of the Q3. Speaker 200:18:08We did highlight that July, we've already had a peak at July. So weather was strong in July, and we've got August September in front of us. I think what's important to recognize here is that we are working every possible lever, including any contingencies that set in the Sat in the plan at the time we developed it. And I would just point to the strategic progress also, Shahriar, that we've made because the fundamentals Of this company remain unchanged. Strong capital growth, strong jurisdictions, and I think that represents a really solid Investment thesis for the future. Speaker 400:18:46Got it. And then, Lynn, last one is, obviously, you reiterated the credit metric targets and lack of equity needs 27 with the current plan. Maybe just a strategy question here is, I guess, how are you sort of thinking about inorganic And more importantly, if a deal does present itself, should we assume that the only equity you'd be looking to raise would be the amount needed Thank you for that acquisition. So should we be concerned around maybe an over equitizing scenario with a potential deal To further right size the balance sheet or do you think that's not really necessary given your trajectory and the rating agency conversations you've been having? Thanks. Speaker 200:19:29There's a lot in that one. Sure. Let me start by saying, what I would like you to take away and really investors The takeaway is that our growth story is an organic one. And I look at all the progress we've made in simplifying the portfolio has brought us to this moment decade in constructive jurisdictions, growing jurisdictions. And at the same time, we've also put in place and worked through energy Policy modernization of regulations, so that gives us a high degree of confidence, so we can execute those plans and deliver returns to investors. Speaker 200:20:10And so when I think about growth for Duke, our sole focus is on this organic plan that's in front of us. And so any idea about M and A has to beat what we have in front of us. And it is an increasingly high hurdle Because of the confidence we have in our plan. So this notion that we're going to over equitize something to chase an asset and Strength in the balance sheet is just not a narrative that is supported by anything that we're focused on here at Duke. Speaker 400:20:41Okay, perfect. That actually answered the question. Thanks, Flynn. Appreciate it, guys. Speaker 200:20:45Thank you. Operator00:20:48Thank you. We have our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:20:59Hey, good morning, team. Thank you very much. Hey, look, I just Speaker 500:21:02wanted to go back to Shoa's question Speaker 600:21:03a moment ago. Hey, good morning, Lynn. Just wanted to go back to Stuart's question on just back half trends, etcetera. Can you elaborate a little bit more on just how you're trending on Versus rates and then also specifically even quarter to date, if you will, July. I mean, it seems like weather may have been pressured again here. Speaker 600:21:20Just Chiming in a little bit on where we stand even through the summer. Speaker 200:21:26So, Julien, let me Give a try and Brian may have heard more in that question than I did. So let me start with 2023 financial plan. Before we start considering The impact of mild weather, the plan was always back end loaded. So if you think about, we are in the midst of rate cases in our largest jurisdiction. We put interim rates into Back to DEP June 1. Speaker 200:21:50Full rates will go into effect October 1. The largest jurisdiction, DEC, interim rates will go in September 1. So the plan was always back end loaded, and I think that's important for you to recognize. And then the mitigation that we've added to that It is obviously going to be back end loaded. You'll begin to see some of it in 3rd quarter, a stronger amount of it in the 4th quarter. Speaker 200:22:14And so, when I think about July, just consistent with what you saw on the front page of every newspaper, hot, hot, hot, it was hot In our jurisdictions as well. So we had a positive weather story in July, and we'll be monitoring August September and give you more on where we are in the range after So hopefully that answered it, Julian. I don't know, Brian, if you have anything to add. Speaker 300:22:38No, thank you. You covered it. Speaker 600:22:43Okay. All right. Excellent. And then just also as a further follow-up, I mean, obviously, just an intense amount of Focus here just with the willingness to engage or any further thoughts on the willingness to engage in inorganic growth, has that changed at all in the last few months as Seeing the backdrop, right, whether utility valuations at large, grown, etcetera, just any further thoughts around that backdrop? Speaker 200:23:08Julian, I would leave you with our sole focus is on organic growth. Sole focus is on organic Because when we look at what we have in front of us and our ability to drive growth with the capital plans that sit in our jurisdictions, we believe That will deliver the greatest value to shareholders. Speaker 600:23:29Excellent. I think that was quite clear. Thank you very much. See you soon, all right? Speaker 200:23:33Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:23:37Thank you. Well, our next Question comes from David Akyol from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:23:47Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 200:23:50Hi, David. Speaker 700:23:52Thanks about the FFO to debt range and the target 13% to 14% for this year. I was wondering if you could give a sense of kind of where in that range you're tracking given some of the pressures that you've been experiencing so far? And also just latest thinking on Timing for when you can get comfortably above that 14% level? Speaker 200:24:15David, I would say the primary pressure in 20 20 3 centers around deferred fuel, and we've given you a sense of how that is tracking. So we're expecting to collect about 1,700,000,000 Of that, in 2023, which will strengthen the balance sheet, we also have the commercial renewable sale, where we'll see proceeds Of about $800,000,000 before the end of the year, that is also credit positive. But as you indicated, weak weather goes the other way. And so Stronger weather in July and hopefully a stronger Q3 will be an offset to that. So we feel like the 13% to 14% range remains An appropriate consideration for 2023 strengthening into 2024. Speaker 200:24:59Would you add anything to that, Brian? Speaker 300:25:01I would say that The final lap of the deferred fuel recovery in 2024 will move us into that 14% range coupled with the North Carolina rate cases that are going to be in place in for the full year in 2024. So those are big catalysts as we look forward. And The IRA benefits will start nearing in larger quantities as we move into the middle part of the decade as well. Speaker 700:25:30Okay, understood. That's helpful. And then secondarily, with interest rates rising again, I'm wondering if that's Representing an incremental headwind to your plan, just how you're managing that exposure on some of your short Term debt outstanding and also refinancings and new debt issuances as they come up. Speaker 200:25:51David, You're rightly focused on that as are we. Interest rates higher for longer, weakness here with mild weather. So we are working through that using all the tools you would expect us to use to minimize the interest expense, but also looking at the levers we have within our financial plan to So it represents something that gets a great deal of attention, and we're working our way through it. And I would again Note that we're reaffirming our guidance range for 2023 and continue to believe we can grow at 5% to 7% over the long term based on the fundamentals in the business. And as we move through these rate cases, I would just also emphasize that interest rates are being reset, as we go through rate cases and that's an important consideration as you know. Speaker 700:26:41Got it. Thanks so much. Speaker 200:26:43Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:26:47We have our next question comes from Jeremy Tonet from JPMorgan. Jeremy, your line is now open. Speaker 500:26:54Hi, good morning. Hi, Jeremy. Good morning, Jeremy. Hi. Just wanted to come back to the drivers to this year, if I could. Speaker 500:27:02And as you noted weather, inflationary pressure, higher Rates all represent headwinds. But I want to go to the load a little bit more. At the beginning of the year, you assumed 12 month retail load growth would be About 0.5%, I think, and whether normal retail low growth right now is down 2.7% year to date. And you expect 2H23 low growth to be flat to 0.5. So just wondering for What trends you're seeing in load that are different than expectations? Speaker 500:27:33Do you expect those to correct over time? And just any color that you could provide there would be helpful. Speaker 200:27:43Yes. Jeremy, let me give a start. I know Brian will have something to add to this. As we look at the various classes, residential load is below our expectation for the year. But I would say to you as we look at residential load, it has been weak in the months when weather has been mild. Speaker 200:28:03So I actually believe we've got some imprecision. We've talked about this. It's hard to figure out what's economy and what's weather. And so we're talking about $0.30 of weather headwind, but that could be a bit higher in that some of the volume weakness in residential is weather related. Commercial has exceeded our expectations. Speaker 200:28:24And so commercial is tracking exactly as we would expect. And then industrial, we've seen some pullback. We've seen pullback in a couple of sectors, but fundamentally, over the long term because of all the growth we're In our industrial and commercial sectors, we think the fundamentals there are strong. So residential, a little bit of a weather story. Commercial on track. Speaker 200:28:47Industrial, a short term Pull back is what I would leave you with. And Brian, how would you add to that? Operator00:28:53Yes. I would say Speaker 300:28:53in the industrial sector, Jeremy, that We're in regular dialogue with our large customers. We talk to them. We understand that with the uncertain economic backdrop, There's some prudent inventory management going on. We've gotten through a lot of supply chain challenges over the past several years and inventory levels are healthier spots. So they're like, well, as we're looking forward, there could be some clouds coming. Speaker 300:29:19So let's just be prudent. So we've seen A slight dial down in usage, but we don't see that persisting into the long term in the future. So I would just take it at that. And The bottom line is that the economic development investment in our territories is strong and it's going to produce Increasing levels of demand for large customers as we look through the middle of the 20s and into the 30s. Speaker 500:29:49Got it. That's very helpful there. And then just kind of coming back to prior questions and bringing a finer point to it. There's Ben Media Stories talking about Duke's interest in PSNC. And so based on what you're saying before, Duke is not interested in PSNC or would that Into your organic growth story. Speaker 200:30:09Jeremy, I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on another company's process. But what I would like to emphasize and have you take away is that our sole focus at Duke is on our organic growth plan. Speaker 500:30:27Got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Speaker 200:30:29Thank you. Operator00:30:33Thank you. With our next question comes from Steve Fleishman from Wolfe Research. Steve, your line is now open. Speaker 300:30:43Good morning, Steve. Hi, Steve. Speaker 800:30:46Hi. Thanks. I think my question main question was answered there. But One other one just on the North Carolina in terms of the DEC case. When might we if you're going to be able to settle that one, what will be the timeline for potential settlement there? Speaker 200:31:06Steve, we're scheduled to be on the stand August 28. Rebuttal testimony was filed at the end of last week. So this is the time frame for discussions. And also in that time frame, we're expecting an order on the DEP case. So A lot of activity here in August and we'll keep you informed every step of the way. Speaker 800:31:30Great. Thank you. That's it. Speaker 200:31:32Thank you. Operator00:31:37Thank you. We have no further questions on the line. I will now hand back to Lynn Good for closing remarks. Speaker 200:31:44Very good. Well, thank you all for your questions today, your interest We'll have a chance to talk with many of you after the call and even visit some of you. We have an active August in front of us And we'll be anxious to share with you not only the results of the rate case, but we have important integrated resource plans being filed this month That, again, will confirm and underpin the investment thesis here at Duke. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Duke Energy Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Glenn, and I'll be the operator of today's call. I will now hand over to your host, Abby Moisinger, Vice President of Investor Relations to begin. Speaker 100:00:22Thank you, Grant, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Duke Energy's 2nd quarter 2023 earnings review and business update. Leading our call today is Lynn Good, Chair, President and CEO along with Brian Savoy, Executive Vice President and CFO. Today's discussion will include the use of non GAAP financial measures And forward looking information. Actual results may be different from forward looking statements due to factors disclosed in today's materials and in Duke Energy's SEC filings. Speaker 100:00:56The appendix of today's presentation includes supplemental information along with a reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures. With that, let me turn the call over to Lynn. Speaker 200:01:06Abby, thank you, and good morning, everyone. Today, we announced adjusted earnings per share of $0.91 for the quarter. For the Q2 in a row, mild weather impacted results. For perspective in the Carolinas, January February were the mildest in the last 30 years. In May June, we're in the top five. Speaker 200:01:26Through June, we're facing a weather headwind of nearly $0.30 Agility measures have been put in place, which add to the $300,000,000 O and M reduction with excellence while maintaining our assets for the future. Brian will provide more on cost management in a moment. We've had an early look at July. And as you would expect, July weather is positive, consistent with the trend across the U. S. Speaker 200:01:56And August September are in front of us. With our largest quarter ahead, we are reaffirming our guidance range for 2023 and we'll have more to say on projected results for the year on the Q3 call. As we look ahead, the fundamentals of our business are strong and we are reaffirming our 5% to 7% growth rate. Turning to Slide 5, you'll see highlights of the strategic portfolio repositioning we've executed over the last decade. With the announcement of the commercial renewables sale, which we expect to close by the end of the year, we're a fully regulated company operating in constructive and growing jurisdictions with a wealth of clean energy investments driving growth for years to come. Speaker 200:02:36The regulatory constructs in our states have also meaningfully improved over this time, Including landmark bipartisan energy legislation passed in North Carolina in 2021. Modern constructs Like those in HB951, allow us to invest for the benefit of our customers, while preserving returns for our investors. We are pleased that today 90% of our electric utility investments are eligible for modern recovery mechanisms that mitigate regulatory lag. Our growth story is an organic one with over $145,000,000,000 of clean energy, grid and LDC investments over the next decade. With the portfolio repositioning complete, our sole focus is on our regulated businesses and the work we have underway to pursue the largest energy transition in our industry. Speaker 200:03:25Let me now turn to Slide 6 to provide an update on our progress in each jurisdiction. In North Carolina, we continue to work toward solution of the Duke Energy progress rate case. We implemented interim rates June 1, subject to refund, With rates for typical residential customers increasing about 5%. We expect the commission to issue an order later this month Final DEP rates going into effect October 1. We're also preparing for the Duke Energy Carolinas hearing, which is scheduled to begin August 28. Speaker 200:03:58Our energy transition in the Carolinas remains a top strategic priority, and we're working diligently on updated resource plans to be filed with the Public Service Commission of South Carolina And the North Carolina Utilities Commission respectively in mid August. Similar to previous filings. The plans are based on significant stakeholder engagement and will outline multiple portfolios, each of which preserve affordability and reliability while transitioning to Cleaner Energy Resources. IRA benefits will be incorporated into the analysis for the first time As well as increasing load from numerous economic development announcements and continued strong population migration into the Carolinas. Our modeling will also reflect higher reserve margins as a result of our continuous evaluation of resource adequacy. Speaker 200:04:50Later this year, we will begin the CPCN process in North Carolina for replacement gas generation. At the same time, solar procurement will continue on an annual basis. In fact, our 2022 solar procurement was recently finalized with nearly 1,000 megawatts to be placed in service by 2027 And our 2023 solar RFP targeting 1400 megawatts was recently approved by the NCUC With bids to be received later this year. Following the resource plan filings, each commission will hear from interested parties through a transparent regulatory as they consider our proposals. We expect an order from the South Carolina Commission in mid-twenty 24 and an order from the North Carolina Commission by the end of Turning to Florida. Speaker 200:05:38We're executing on our investment plan to benefit customers. We've added 300 megawatts of new solar this year and now operate 1200 Megawatts in the state with plans to continue adding about 300 Megawatts per year over the next decade. We're hardening the grid through our storm protection plan and already seeing benefits from improved reliability. With robust customer growth and timely recovery of investments, our Florida Utility continues to deliver strong returns. In Kentucky, we've partnered with Amazon to install a 2 megawatt solar plant On top of their fulfillment center in Northern Kentucky, the largest rooftop solar site in the state. Speaker 200:06:18This partnership supports Carbon reduction goals of both Duke Energy and Amazon. And it's just one example of how we're working with our customers to meet their energy needs. Turning to Indiana, I'd like to take a moment to thank the nearly 2,000 crew members that worked tirelessly over the July 4th holiday Following multiple storms, the widespread storm systems extended across our entire service territory and led to a multi day effort to restore over 300 70,000 outages. And in fact, today in the Carolinas, our crews are also working to restore outages that resulted from the strong storms in the Eastern seaboard And are doing so safely, timely and in close communication with our customers and stakeholders. As with all operations, the safety of our employees, environment and communities remain front and center. Speaker 200:07:06And I'm proud to say that for the 8th consecutive year, We've led the industry in safety as measured by total incident case rate. On the federal side, we're taking advantage of multiple incentives and other We're incorporating IRA tax benefits into resource plans and rate adjustments across our jurisdictions to lower costs for customers. And federal funding from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act creates opportunity to advance new resources and spur economic development. We have put forward multiple proposals through the IIJA, including for methane reduction, carbon capture, long duration storage, hydrogen and grid modernization, and we'll continue to evaluate opportunities as funding is announced. We continue to advocate for federal and state support that recognizes the importance of a responsible energy transition. Speaker 200:07:57And in fact, later today, we will file comments on EPA's proposed 111 rule. While we support EPA's commitment to a cleaner energy future, we believe an orderly transition requires a diverse mix of energy resources and must align with the pace of technology development. We will continue to actively work with policymakers, Industry peers, state partners and others in support of a reliable affordable energy transition. In closing, we've navigated the first half of the year with Agility Taking swift action in the face of record mild weather while maintaining our focus on our strategic priorities. With our portfolio repositioning complete, we offer an attractive fully regulated organic growth proposition. Speaker 200:08:41We have a clear strategy ahead of us as we invest to satisfy By increasing demand for clean, affordable and reliable energy across our growing regions, our long term fundamentals remain as strong as ever, And we're well positioned to deliver sustainable value and 5% to 7% earnings growth over the next 5 years. And with that, let me turn the call over to Brian. Speaker 300:09:01Thanks, Lynn, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with quarterly results and highlight key variances to the prior year. As shown on Slide 7, we reported a 2nd quarter loss of $0.32 per share and adjusted earnings of $0.91 per share. This compares to reported and adjusted EPS of $1.14 $1.09 last year. GAAP reported results include an impairment of Approximately $1,000,000,000 related to the commercial renewable sale, which is reflected in discontinued operations. Speaker 300:09:33Announcing the sale agreements represents a key milestone, And I'm pleased with the progress we've made to date on this important strategic move. Within the operating segments, Electric Utilities and Infrastructure was down $0.14 compared to last year, driven by $0.16 of unfavorable weather. Absent the weather, we saw growth from rate cases and riders and lower O and M, partially offset by lower volumes and higher interest expense. Moving to Gas Utilities and Infrastructure, results were up $0.01 due to higher margins and customer growth. And within the other segment, we were $0.05 lower primarily due to higher interest expense, partially offset by higher market returns on certain benefit plans. Speaker 300:10:17Turning to Slide 8. Cost Management has become part of the Duke Energy DNA and continues to produce sustainable savings. We're leveraging digital innovation, data analytics and process improvements to increase efficiency, making targeted capital investments to reduce maintenance costs And reshaping our operations to streamline work and lower costs. We've established a proven track record. And in 2022, we're an industry leader across Key O and M cost efficiency measures. Speaker 300:10:48Coming into 2023, we implemented a $300,000,000 cost mitigation initiative to address interest rate and inflation headwinds. These reductions, which were incorporated into our base plan, Are focused on corporate and support areas and remain on track. And as we said, 75% of these savings are structural and will be sustainable into future years. As Lynn mentioned, we've seen record mild weather in the first half of the year. We've taken action to offset these pressures, Including launching significant business agility in the Q1. Speaker 300:11:22We're looking to tactical O and M reductions and other levers, including deferring non critical work, Reducing spend on outside services and limiting non essential travel and overtime. We expect about $0.20 of mitigation from these measures We will be thoughtful about these actions, keeping our unwavering commitment to safety, reliability and customer service at the forefront of our approach. Looking ahead, residential decoupling in North Carolina will be fully implemented in 2024. But until then, we will continue to flex the agility muscle that we have done so successfully in the past. Turning to Slide 9. Speaker 300:12:02I'll touch on electric volumes and economic trends. Volumes are down 0.6% on a rolling 12 month basis. In the residential class, customer growth remained robust at 1.8%, but was offset by lower usage per customer. We believe this is partially driven by energy efficiency and a growing trend of returning to the office. In addition, we continue to see most of the weakness in months when weather was extreme. Speaker 300:12:30In these situations, it can be challenging to precisely estimate the weather component of total volume variances. The long term residential growth trajectory remains strong. In fact, residential volumes have averaged just under 1% growth per year for the past 5 years and are 4% above pre pandemic levels. In the commercial class, 2nd quarter volumes are trending above our full year estimate, Supported by continued growth in data centers. In the industrial class, planned investment in our territories continues to be robust. Speaker 300:13:03Many of our large customers are expanding and we partnered with our states to attract over 29,000 new jobs And $23,000,000,000 in capital investment in 2022. These investments represent several key sectors such as battery, EVs and semiconductors, And we expect they will provide around 2,000 megawatts of demand as operations ramp up. The strength of our service territories Was also reflected in CNBC's annual list of America's Top States for Business, where 5 of the states we serve ranked in the top 15 And North Carolina ranked number 1 for the 2nd year in a row. In the near term, Operator00:13:43we've seen Speaker 300:13:44a slight pullback in some of our manufacturing Due to softening demand in certain sectors of the economy, we're monitoring the impact of macroeconomic trends, but the underlying fundamentals, Residential customer growth and commercial and industrial investment continue to support long term growth of roughly 0.5% per year. Moving to Slide 10. Let me highlight some of the credit supportive actions we've taken to maintain balance sheet strength. We continue to collect deferred fuel balances and have filed for recovery of all remaining uncollected 2022 fuel costs. In April, we began recovery of $1,200,000,000 in Florida over 21 months with a debt return. Speaker 300:14:27We also reached settlement with the public staff in our DEC North Carolina fuel proceeding and expect to receive an order in the coming weeks. Per the agreement, we would recover approximately $1,000,000,000 of deferred fuel by the end of 2024. Across our jurisdictions, we're on pace to recover $1,700,000 of deferred fuel costs in 2023 and expect our deferred fuel balance to be back in line with our historical As Lynn mentioned, we expect to complete the sale of our commercial renewables business by the end of the year, And we use proceeds for debt avoidance at the holding company. In addition, about $1,500,000,000 of commercial renewables debt will come off the balance sheet when the transactions close, These actions are credit positive and we expect to see continued balance sheet improvement in 2024 as we recover the remaining deferred fuel costs and see the full year impact of both North Carolina rate cases. Moving to Slide 11. Speaker 300:15:30This year marks the 97th consecutive year of paying a quarterly cash dividend And the 17th consecutive annual increase. Looking forward, we're executing on our strategic priorities and are excited about The path ahead is a fully regulated company. We operate in constructive growing jurisdictions, which combined with our $65,000,000,000 5 year capital Glen give us confidence in our 5% to 7% growth rate through 2027. Our attractive dividend yield, Coupled with long term earnings growth from investments in our regulated utilities, provide a compelling risk adjusted return for shareholders. With that, we'll open the line for your questions. Operator00:16:14Thank you. Please ensure your phone is unmuted locally. With our first question comes from Shahriar Pouwesah from Guggenheim Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:36Hey, guys. Good morning. Speaker 200:16:38Hi, Shar. Speaker 500:16:38Good morning, Shar. Speaker 400:16:40Good morning. Lynn, obviously, Brian, it's been a little bit of a slow start to the year, weather driven, you're not alone. You reiterated guidance, but can you just talk about where you are within the 23 range assuming normal weather and how we should Think about incremental levers, especially given where you are from an O and M perspective. I mean, clearly, in the slides, you show how efficient you are and you've pulled a lot So just curious if you could be a little bit more specific on how much cost mitigation is left for the year, especially if weather doesn't transpire? Thanks. Speaker 200:17:15Sure. Thanks for the question. No question. It's been a mild weather year. And I so I look around the industry, there are other utilities who've Experienced a trend similar to ours, Midwest and some in the Southeast. Speaker 200:17:28We have put mitigation plans in place. As Brian talked about, Sharjah, so deferring non critical work, 3rd party spend, all of those things that you would expect us to attack tactically In 2023, and we see those progressing. We also are on pace with the $300,000,000 of O and M that we targeted to take out of the business coming into 'twenty Great. So I look at all of that and the fact that we have the Q3 of HEV ahead of us and we believe the range We can reaffirm the range. The range still represents the potential we have for 2023, and we'll update within that range at the end of the Q3. Speaker 200:18:08We did highlight that July, we've already had a peak at July. So weather was strong in July, and we've got August September in front of us. I think what's important to recognize here is that we are working every possible lever, including any contingencies that set in the Sat in the plan at the time we developed it. And I would just point to the strategic progress also, Shahriar, that we've made because the fundamentals Of this company remain unchanged. Strong capital growth, strong jurisdictions, and I think that represents a really solid Investment thesis for the future. Speaker 400:18:46Got it. And then, Lynn, last one is, obviously, you reiterated the credit metric targets and lack of equity needs 27 with the current plan. Maybe just a strategy question here is, I guess, how are you sort of thinking about inorganic And more importantly, if a deal does present itself, should we assume that the only equity you'd be looking to raise would be the amount needed Thank you for that acquisition. So should we be concerned around maybe an over equitizing scenario with a potential deal To further right size the balance sheet or do you think that's not really necessary given your trajectory and the rating agency conversations you've been having? Thanks. Speaker 200:19:29There's a lot in that one. Sure. Let me start by saying, what I would like you to take away and really investors The takeaway is that our growth story is an organic one. And I look at all the progress we've made in simplifying the portfolio has brought us to this moment decade in constructive jurisdictions, growing jurisdictions. And at the same time, we've also put in place and worked through energy Policy modernization of regulations, so that gives us a high degree of confidence, so we can execute those plans and deliver returns to investors. Speaker 200:20:10And so when I think about growth for Duke, our sole focus is on this organic plan that's in front of us. And so any idea about M and A has to beat what we have in front of us. And it is an increasingly high hurdle Because of the confidence we have in our plan. So this notion that we're going to over equitize something to chase an asset and Strength in the balance sheet is just not a narrative that is supported by anything that we're focused on here at Duke. Speaker 400:20:41Okay, perfect. That actually answered the question. Thanks, Flynn. Appreciate it, guys. Speaker 200:20:45Thank you. Operator00:20:48Thank you. We have our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:20:59Hey, good morning, team. Thank you very much. Hey, look, I just Speaker 500:21:02wanted to go back to Shoa's question Speaker 600:21:03a moment ago. Hey, good morning, Lynn. Just wanted to go back to Stuart's question on just back half trends, etcetera. Can you elaborate a little bit more on just how you're trending on Versus rates and then also specifically even quarter to date, if you will, July. I mean, it seems like weather may have been pressured again here. Speaker 600:21:20Just Chiming in a little bit on where we stand even through the summer. Speaker 200:21:26So, Julien, let me Give a try and Brian may have heard more in that question than I did. So let me start with 2023 financial plan. Before we start considering The impact of mild weather, the plan was always back end loaded. So if you think about, we are in the midst of rate cases in our largest jurisdiction. We put interim rates into Back to DEP June 1. Speaker 200:21:50Full rates will go into effect October 1. The largest jurisdiction, DEC, interim rates will go in September 1. So the plan was always back end loaded, and I think that's important for you to recognize. And then the mitigation that we've added to that It is obviously going to be back end loaded. You'll begin to see some of it in 3rd quarter, a stronger amount of it in the 4th quarter. Speaker 200:22:14And so, when I think about July, just consistent with what you saw on the front page of every newspaper, hot, hot, hot, it was hot In our jurisdictions as well. So we had a positive weather story in July, and we'll be monitoring August September and give you more on where we are in the range after So hopefully that answered it, Julian. I don't know, Brian, if you have anything to add. Speaker 300:22:38No, thank you. You covered it. Speaker 600:22:43Okay. All right. Excellent. And then just also as a further follow-up, I mean, obviously, just an intense amount of Focus here just with the willingness to engage or any further thoughts on the willingness to engage in inorganic growth, has that changed at all in the last few months as Seeing the backdrop, right, whether utility valuations at large, grown, etcetera, just any further thoughts around that backdrop? Speaker 200:23:08Julian, I would leave you with our sole focus is on organic growth. Sole focus is on organic Because when we look at what we have in front of us and our ability to drive growth with the capital plans that sit in our jurisdictions, we believe That will deliver the greatest value to shareholders. Speaker 600:23:29Excellent. I think that was quite clear. Thank you very much. See you soon, all right? Speaker 200:23:33Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:23:37Thank you. Well, our next Question comes from David Akyol from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:23:47Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 200:23:50Hi, David. Speaker 700:23:52Thanks about the FFO to debt range and the target 13% to 14% for this year. I was wondering if you could give a sense of kind of where in that range you're tracking given some of the pressures that you've been experiencing so far? And also just latest thinking on Timing for when you can get comfortably above that 14% level? Speaker 200:24:15David, I would say the primary pressure in 20 20 3 centers around deferred fuel, and we've given you a sense of how that is tracking. So we're expecting to collect about 1,700,000,000 Of that, in 2023, which will strengthen the balance sheet, we also have the commercial renewable sale, where we'll see proceeds Of about $800,000,000 before the end of the year, that is also credit positive. But as you indicated, weak weather goes the other way. And so Stronger weather in July and hopefully a stronger Q3 will be an offset to that. So we feel like the 13% to 14% range remains An appropriate consideration for 2023 strengthening into 2024. Speaker 200:24:59Would you add anything to that, Brian? Speaker 300:25:01I would say that The final lap of the deferred fuel recovery in 2024 will move us into that 14% range coupled with the North Carolina rate cases that are going to be in place in for the full year in 2024. So those are big catalysts as we look forward. And The IRA benefits will start nearing in larger quantities as we move into the middle part of the decade as well. Speaker 700:25:30Okay, understood. That's helpful. And then secondarily, with interest rates rising again, I'm wondering if that's Representing an incremental headwind to your plan, just how you're managing that exposure on some of your short Term debt outstanding and also refinancings and new debt issuances as they come up. Speaker 200:25:51David, You're rightly focused on that as are we. Interest rates higher for longer, weakness here with mild weather. So we are working through that using all the tools you would expect us to use to minimize the interest expense, but also looking at the levers we have within our financial plan to So it represents something that gets a great deal of attention, and we're working our way through it. And I would again Note that we're reaffirming our guidance range for 2023 and continue to believe we can grow at 5% to 7% over the long term based on the fundamentals in the business. And as we move through these rate cases, I would just also emphasize that interest rates are being reset, as we go through rate cases and that's an important consideration as you know. Speaker 700:26:41Got it. Thanks so much. Speaker 200:26:43Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:26:47We have our next question comes from Jeremy Tonet from JPMorgan. Jeremy, your line is now open. Speaker 500:26:54Hi, good morning. Hi, Jeremy. Good morning, Jeremy. Hi. Just wanted to come back to the drivers to this year, if I could. Speaker 500:27:02And as you noted weather, inflationary pressure, higher Rates all represent headwinds. But I want to go to the load a little bit more. At the beginning of the year, you assumed 12 month retail load growth would be About 0.5%, I think, and whether normal retail low growth right now is down 2.7% year to date. And you expect 2H23 low growth to be flat to 0.5. So just wondering for What trends you're seeing in load that are different than expectations? Speaker 500:27:33Do you expect those to correct over time? And just any color that you could provide there would be helpful. Speaker 200:27:43Yes. Jeremy, let me give a start. I know Brian will have something to add to this. As we look at the various classes, residential load is below our expectation for the year. But I would say to you as we look at residential load, it has been weak in the months when weather has been mild. Speaker 200:28:03So I actually believe we've got some imprecision. We've talked about this. It's hard to figure out what's economy and what's weather. And so we're talking about $0.30 of weather headwind, but that could be a bit higher in that some of the volume weakness in residential is weather related. Commercial has exceeded our expectations. Speaker 200:28:24And so commercial is tracking exactly as we would expect. And then industrial, we've seen some pullback. We've seen pullback in a couple of sectors, but fundamentally, over the long term because of all the growth we're In our industrial and commercial sectors, we think the fundamentals there are strong. So residential, a little bit of a weather story. Commercial on track. Speaker 200:28:47Industrial, a short term Pull back is what I would leave you with. And Brian, how would you add to that? Operator00:28:53Yes. I would say Speaker 300:28:53in the industrial sector, Jeremy, that We're in regular dialogue with our large customers. We talk to them. We understand that with the uncertain economic backdrop, There's some prudent inventory management going on. We've gotten through a lot of supply chain challenges over the past several years and inventory levels are healthier spots. So they're like, well, as we're looking forward, there could be some clouds coming. Speaker 300:29:19So let's just be prudent. So we've seen A slight dial down in usage, but we don't see that persisting into the long term in the future. So I would just take it at that. And The bottom line is that the economic development investment in our territories is strong and it's going to produce Increasing levels of demand for large customers as we look through the middle of the 20s and into the 30s. Speaker 500:29:49Got it. That's very helpful there. And then just kind of coming back to prior questions and bringing a finer point to it. There's Ben Media Stories talking about Duke's interest in PSNC. And so based on what you're saying before, Duke is not interested in PSNC or would that Into your organic growth story. Speaker 200:30:09Jeremy, I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on another company's process. But what I would like to emphasize and have you take away is that our sole focus at Duke is on our organic growth plan. Speaker 500:30:27Got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Speaker 200:30:29Thank you. Operator00:30:33Thank you. With our next question comes from Steve Fleishman from Wolfe Research. Steve, your line is now open. Speaker 300:30:43Good morning, Steve. Hi, Steve. Speaker 800:30:46Hi. Thanks. I think my question main question was answered there. But One other one just on the North Carolina in terms of the DEC case. When might we if you're going to be able to settle that one, what will be the timeline for potential settlement there? Speaker 200:31:06Steve, we're scheduled to be on the stand August 28. Rebuttal testimony was filed at the end of last week. So this is the time frame for discussions. And also in that time frame, we're expecting an order on the DEP case. So A lot of activity here in August and we'll keep you informed every step of the way. Speaker 800:31:30Great. Thank you. That's it. Speaker 200:31:32Thank you. Operator00:31:37Thank you. We have no further questions on the line. I will now hand back to Lynn Good for closing remarks. Speaker 200:31:44Very good. Well, thank you all for your questions today, your interest We'll have a chance to talk with many of you after the call and even visit some of you. We have an active August in front of us And we'll be anxious to share with you not only the results of the rate case, but we have important integrated resource plans being filed this month That, again, will confirm and underpin the investment thesis here at Duke. So appreciate your interest in the company and look forward to talking soon.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by