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Earnings HistoryForecast Franco-Nevada EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.95Consensus EPS $0.83Beat/MissBeat by +$0.12One Year Ago EPS$1.02Franco-Nevada Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$329.90 millionExpected Revenue$324.06 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.84 millionYoY Revenue Growth-6.40%Franco-Nevada Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/8/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, August 9, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsFranco-Nevada's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, April 28, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Franco-Nevada Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 9, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to Franco Nevada Corporation's Second Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call and Webcast. This call is being recorded on August 9, 2023. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, We will conduct a question and answer session where you may ask a question through the phone line or webcast. If you are joining by webcast, You may submit a written question for the Q and A session at any time during this call by typing your question in the Q and A section of the webcast platform. Operator00:00:40And I would like to turn the conference over to your host, Candida Hayden, Senior Analyst, Investor Relations, please go Speaker 100:00:47ahead. Thank you, Sylvie. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Franco Nevada's 2nd quarter 2023 results. Accompanying this call is a presentation, which is available on our website atfrancoe nevada.com, where you will also find our full financial results. Speaker 100:01:07The presentation is also available to view on the webcast. During our call this morning, Paul Brink, President and CEO of Franco Nevada, will provide introductory remarks followed by Sandeep Rana, Chief Financial Officer, who will provide a brief review of our results. This will be followed by a Q and A period. Our full executive team is available to answer any questions. Participants may submit questions by telephone or via the webcast. Speaker 100:01:38We would like to remind participants that some of today's commentary may contain forward looking information, and we refer you to our detailed cautionary note on Slide 2 of this presentation. I will now turn the call over to Paul Brink, President and CEO. Speaker 200:01:56Thanks, Candida, and good morning. For Q2, our core assets returned to normal production and deliveries at Cobre Panama and Anapakay caught up from the disruptions in Q1. Revenue from our diversified assets was impacted by lower oil gas and iron ore prices compared to the relative highs of the prior year period. As a result, we expect total GEOs for the year to be at the low end of our guidance range. With the Cobre Panama CP100 expansion physically complete, we started to see the benefit of higher throughput for the quarter And First Quantum expects to exit the year at the 100,000,000 ton per annum throughput rate. Speaker 200:02:36Following public consultation, the refreshed concession contract was signed by the government and First Quantum and is expected to be presented before the National Assembly during the current setting. G Mining continues to do a tremendous job with the construction of the Toca de Zinho gold mine in Brazil. We've now funded $183,000,000 of our total $250,000,000 stream deposit and the project is on track for commercial production in the second half of twenty twenty four. The quarter saw 1st production from a couple of new mines, Argonaut's Magino mine in Ontario And Fortuna's mine in Cote d'Ivoire. Gold Fields expects first production from Solaris Norte in Chile before year end. Speaker 200:03:21We added a number of royalty interests during the period. In Chile, we acquired 2.64% gold royalty on Barrick's Pansco property. We also acquired a 1.5 percent NSR on Hochschild's Mining's Vulcan Gold project, And we increased our holding on Lundin Mining's Casarones copper mine, so we now own a total 0.57 percent NSR on the mine. In Canada, we acquired an additional 1.5 percent NSR on Marathon's Ballantyne Gold project, and we now hold a total 3% NSR on the project. During the quarter, we entered an agreement to provide royalty financing to exploration stage companies in partnership with E. Speaker 200:04:02M. X Royalty Corp. We have great respect for Eumex's team of on the ground geologists, and they'll be responsible for sourcing the transactions. We were active with community contributions over the 3 months. We contributed to Sibanye Stillwater's community initiative in Montana And to the I-eighty fund, which supports small businesses in rural Northern Nevada. Speaker 200:04:26We also partnered with Perpetual Resources to build social capacity at the Stibnite Gold Project. Frank and Vardo is debt free. It's growing as cash balances and at the end of the June, we had $2,300,000,000 in available capital. Our business development team is active. For many operators and developers, royalty and stream financing is currently the lowest cost of available capital. Speaker 200:04:51With high rates debt financing is expensive And there's little depth in the market before new issued gold equity. With that, I'll hand the call over to Sandeep. Speaker 300:05:00Thank you, Paul. Good morning, everyone. Our diverse portfolio continued to generate strong cash flows and high margins during Q2 2023. Antipakay and Cobre Panama return to normal operations and were key contributors to the strong financial performance in the quarter. As well, the remainder of our mining portfolio performed in line with our expectations. Speaker 300:05:24For the diversified assets, the retreat in iron ore and energy prices from 2022 did result in a reduction in diversified revenues and associated GEOs in Q2 2023 compared to prior year. On Slide 4, we highlight the gold equivalent ounces sold for the last 5 quarters. Overall, GEOs sold for 2nd quarter were 168,515, down from Q2 2022. For the quarter, precious metal GEOs were 132,033, up slightly from same quarter last year And up 19% from Q1 2023. For the quarter, the largest contributors for precious metal geos were Antepakay and Cobre Panama. Speaker 300:06:07At Antipakai, geos delivered and sold were higher in the quarter compared to prior year. Following the temporary suspension of operations and constrained logistics Experienced in Q1 2023, operations returned to normalized levels in March, resulting in significantly higher deliveries to Franco Nevada with 19,680 GEOs sold in the quarter compared to just over 10,000 GEOs in Q2 2022. For Cobre Panama, operations ramped back up to full production following an interruption due to export restrictions in first Together with the benefit of additional processing facilities related to the CP100 expansion project, we received strong deliveries from Cobre Panama with 36,650 GEOs sold in the quarter. Marigold and Tasiast were also strong contributors during the quarter due to mine sequencing and higher grades and recoveries respectively. A few assets which performed below expectation were Antamina, Guadalupe and Stillwater. Speaker 300:07:10For Antamina, we had lower geo sold than prior year as the operator was affected by a tropical cyclone that affected Peru's northern region in March 2023. This also affected production in April, which will impact our 3rd quarter deliveries. At Guadalupe, the operator mined less ounces from lands covered by our stream, resulting in lower geos delivered and sold. And our Stillwater production was impacted by an incident that damaged shaft infrastructure in March 2023. This was remediated in April. Speaker 300:07:42However, the decrease in GEOs compared to prior years also reflects a less favorable PGM to gold conversion ratio. Q2 2023 saw continued volatility in commodity prices. Slide 5 shows the average commodity prices for Q2 2023 and prior year. Precious Metals did see an improvement year over year with gold, silver and platinum averaging higher. However, palladium, iron ore and energy prices were down significantly. Speaker 300:08:11A large component of diversified geos and revenue is energy. Production has remained strong and was 25% higher on a BOE basis during the quarter. However, as seen on Slide 6, The bar charts highlight the retreat in oil and gas prices year over year. WTI averaged $73.78 a barrel in 2nd quarter, down 32% versus prior year. Natural gas averaged $2.32 per Mcf, down 69% versus prior year. Speaker 300:08:42As a result, the sharp fall in energy prices impacted our GEO sold generated by our energy assets, which were 28,683 for the quarter compared to $50,387 in Q2 2022. As you will recall, energy prices saw a sharp increase in 2021 and 2022 due to many factors with the largest being geopolitical tension. Slide 7 highlights our total revenue and adjusted EBITDA amounts for the 3 months ended June 30, 2023, 2022. Revenue and adjusted EBITDA have decreased year over year. The decrease is the result of lower contribution from diversified assets, partially offset by better performance from precious metals. Speaker 300:09:26The company recorded $329,900,000 in revenue in 2nd quarter $275,600,000 in adjusted EBITDA. A margin of 83.5 percent was achieved. As you turn to Slide 8, you'll see the key financial results for the company. As mentioned, geos and revenue were lower in the quarter compared to prior year. On the cost side, we had an increase in cost of sales, which was $47,100,000 compared to $45,500,000 in Q2 2022. Speaker 300:09:55The largest component of this is the per ounce fixed cost we pay for stream ounces. We sold 102,785 stream ounces in the 2nd quarter compared to 98,163 a year ago. Depletion increased to $75,100,000 versus $69,600,000 a year ago. Depletion is based on actual mining GEOs sold And barrels of oil equivalent received from energy assets. As we received higher GEOs from Antipakay and Cobre Panama, which are higher per ounce depletion assets. Speaker 300:10:28This resulted in higher overall depletion expense. For Q2 2023, Adjusted net income was $182,900,000 or $0.95 per share compared to $195,800,000 or $1.02 per share in prior year. Slide 9 highlights the continued diversification of the portfolio. As shown, 79% of our Q2 2023 revenue was generated by precious This compares to 69% in Q2 2022. The geographic revenue profile has Being sourced 89% from the Americas. Speaker 300:11:04With respect to asset diversification, Cobre Panama was again our largest revenue generator at 22 And the last chart highlights our operator diversity, Our largest exposure to revenue being generated by any one operator is 22%, which is First Quantum who operates Cobre Panama. Slide 10 illustrates the strength of our business model to generate high margins. On the slide, you can see that cost of sales has remained fairly consistent over the period shown. The amount of cost of sales will depend on the mix of royalty versus stream GEOs, including mining and energy. During Q2 2023, the Cash cost per GEO, which essentially cost of sales divided by gold equivalent ounces sold was $2.80 per GEO. Speaker 300:11:54This compares to $238,000,000 per GEO in Q2 2022. Corporate administration costs, including stock based compensation, was less than 3 percent of revenue for the quarter. The total can fluctuate quarter over quarter, but it's tended to average approximately $8,000,000 each quarter historically. In a rising commodity price environment, we expect to benefit fully as we do not expect our cost structure to change significantly. Slide 11 summarizes the financial resources available to the company. Speaker 300:12:25When including our credit facility of $1,000,000,000 Total available capital at June 30, 2023 is $2,300,000,000 The company is debt free. And on Slide 12, we reiterate our guidance for the year based upon updated commodity prices as highlighted on the slide and our expectations of production from our royalty and stream interest for the second half of the year, we are maintaining our guidance range for total GEO sold of $640,000 to $700,000 However, we expect to be at the lower end of that range due to the conversion of non gold revenue to geos based on our revised commodity prices. And now I'll pass it over to the operator as we are happy to answer any questions. Operator00:13:09Thank And your first question will be from Sahid Tariq at Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:13:40Hi. Thanks for taking my question. As you think about the diversified Commodity prices, so iron ore, energy prices being lower. Does that in any way change what you're focusing on in your deal pipeline? I know in the past you've talked about countercyclical investing. Speaker 400:13:55So I just wanted to kind of tie that in with how the commodity prices are moving. Thanks. Speaker 200:14:02Thanks. More of the point is, as you say, we try to be opportunistic investors. Our focus is always on precious metals, but when we're investing in other commodities, we're looking to get better entry points. That either needs to be based on lower current commodity prices or at least that we can use lower longer term prices in valuing the deal. So when you do have price weakness, that is an opportunity. Speaker 400:14:35Okay. And then just On the balance sheet, just given the strength of the balance sheet, dollars 1,200,000,000 of cash undrawn revolver, Can you just walk us through maybe how you're thinking about just use of capital in the context of there aren't that many large deals Speaker 500:14:53out there? Speaker 400:14:54Just trying to think of how the balance sheet will be utilized. Thanks. Speaker 300:14:59I'm sure it's Sandeep here. Really, there's no change in strategy. Franco has always had a strong balance sheet, and we're happy having cash on the balance sheet. Obviously, dividend is important, But the number one priority is to deploy that capital to add assets. And we know it's a cyclical business. Speaker 300:15:17There's times when our capital will be needed, and there's other times where We might not be as active, so we're happy accumulating cash on the balance sheet. But the second most important thing is the dividend, Which we intend to raise as we have done in the past. Speaker 400:15:35Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:15:38Thank you. Next question will be from Josh Wolfson at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:15:45Yes, thanks. On the global minimum tax with the draft legislation out In Canada, I'm wondering if there's been any further clarity on what the potential impact is and whether this is something that Is expected to be affecting 2024 taxes paid. Speaker 300:16:10Yes, Josh, no change. As we said last quarter, the estimated 3% to 4% of our NAV based on GMT being implemented January 1, no changes. Speaker 600:16:25Okay. And just to confirm that, that is Consistent with, I guess, the initial interpretations of the legislation? Yes, Speaker 200:16:32correct. Speaker 600:16:33Okay. Thanks. And then speaking of countercyclical investing, Fahad is asking, with the Pascua Lama royalty purchase, It's obviously a reasonably well known asset, but a sort of a larger dollar value, I guess, for an option style Royalty, I'm wondering if there's any additional views the company has on the potential there or if this is Just sort of a tuck in long term option with no further interpretations at least based on what we've heard from Barrick over the last couple of years. Speaker 200:17:12Josh, it's the we think one of our competitive advantages, given the long dated nature of our portfolio is That we can buy some of these long dated interests. Where we'd like to do it and what we found is Great endowments are the ones that ultimately get developed, also the ones that get better over time. Pasquare is certainly one of those, One of the best undeveloped gold deposits. So I think you're right in thinking of it in a kind of cyclical sense. We've done this before. Speaker 200:17:45A great example was Detour when Placid built that mine As an underground mine had abandoned it and we were able to buy royalty on it in a sense in the darkest days And ultimately, it become a very successful mine. It's the way we like to think about these things. Pass Square is a class of deposit that you'll always have operators Looking to spend capital on it, it's in a good security restriction. Our view is it gets developed over time, And I think it will be a tremendous investment. Speaker 600:18:23Great. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Operator00:18:27Thank you. Next question will be from Iko Ihle at H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead. Operator00:18:37Heiko, please unmute your line. Speaker 700:18:41Sorry, can you hear me now? Speaker 300:18:43Yes, we can hear Speaker 700:18:45you. Hello, Paul. Hello, Sandeep. Sorry about that. Yes, I was on mute as we correctly identified. Speaker 700:18:51I personally thought interest rates would be topping out or potentially even leveling off by now. Clearly, that hasn't really happened. But I was curious what longer term interest rate assumptions that you use in your models given your future funding commitments and things like the expansion of underlying streams And also for future acquisitions, please. Speaker 200:19:12I think in short, we're in a very fortunate position. We don't have any debt. So as rates go up, while many people are constrained, we're not. It really puts us in a position that I think we've got more latitude in our Too dynamic investments than many other people who are constrained by debt. Speaker 700:19:33But I assume that with commitments that you have in the future, You have some sort of internal models that you use to place yourself against your competition, though? Speaker 200:19:47We have our models, but as we don't have debt and typically we don't carry debt as a long term Source of financing, when we've had it, we've repaid it quickly. It doesn't factor heavily into our cost of capital. Speaker 700:20:06Fair enough. I think we'll take this one offline. And then also, Can you provide some color on your plant depletion year by year through 2027? I saw you had the longer term outlook And your presentation, you can just like a rough estimate by year? Speaker 300:20:24I don't have those numbers in front of me Heiko. We can take that offline. Speaker 700:20:28Perfect. And then last one I have. Just looking at the remainder of the year, what assets do you think Might make the biggest difference between plans for your outlook and what we've actually come in. In other words, What do you think is there anything that analysts should be looking at particularly closely? Speaker 300:20:50I think we've reiterated our guidance. So the ranges that we had provided as part of our March guidance, I think we're comfortable that our core assets will achieve those targets, In which case, it results in us meeting our guidance levels in the second half of the year. Speaker 700:21:08Fair enough. Appreciate it. I'll give you guys a callback later. Speaker 300:21:11Okay. Thanks Heiko. Operator00:21:13Thank you. Next question will be from Cosmos Chiu at CIBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:20Great. Thanks, Paul, Sandeep, Santeep. Maybe my first question is on your guidance as well. Paul, as you mentioned, you're now targeting the lower end of your guidance range. You've kind of answered my questions, but I just want to confirm, If I just look at your precious metals guidance, you're actually tracking pretty well. Speaker 500:21:41So the fact that you're targeting for total geos, the lower end, Is that really just due to lower sort of diversified prices, energy prices, iron ore prices? Or is that too simplistic of a way to look at it? Speaker 300:21:56No. Cosmos, you're essentially correct. It's when we did our original guidance, The iron ore price we used was higher than what it's averaged thus far in 2023 and what we're using going forward, Same with the energy prices. And so the other side, gold price is higher than what we had in our original guidance. You get a double impact on converting the non gold revenue to GEOs and that's essentially the reason for guiding to the lower end. Speaker 500:22:26Perfect. And then in terms of some of the corporate development here, you talked about in your MD and A The partnership with EMX Royalties, it's not new, but at least right now, I guess, You're putting a number to it, joint acquisitions, not huge, dollars 5,500,000 on your end. But I guess my question is, what does each of the parties bring to the table? I kind of know the answer, I just want to confirm. And could this lead to something that's bigger down the road? Speaker 500:23:03Or is this really the niche in terms of smaller, Earlier stage royalties, utilizing, say, the technical expertise of the EMX team. Mr. Speaker 200:23:17Kosmos, a couple of things there. We know the team well. We like the team. Part of the DNA of our business Is to keep on bidding on the smaller royalties where we see value. Our issue is how we prioritize our time. Speaker 200:23:32The team most of the time is engaged on bigger transactions. So one of the great benefits for us in this transaction is The AMX team is targeting these transactions. We pay a bit of a carry on the deal. Our capital being available means that they can approach parties with more capital to put to work. So those are the main elements of it. Speaker 200:24:01And the overall strategy here is and a bit to what I alluded to in the overall comment. Capital really is constrained for the gold development sector and particularly for the earlier stage exploration sector. So we think we can profitably put dollars to work in an area that really needs the capital. Speaker 500:24:23That's good to hear. Maybe one last question more asset specific here. Anthropologie in the MD and A, you highlighted the exploration potential here at I got to butcher this. Coralcoheco, so about 10 kilometers away from Antipakay. Could you maybe talk a bit more about that in terms of timing, in terms of upside potential and what we could [SPEAKER CHRISTOPHER MANDEVILLE:] Well, before we take Speaker 300:24:52that, I'd like to. Speaker 200:24:54So, Cosmos, a bit of background on that property. And as you'll recall, the first Mine on that property was Tintaya, mine by BHP. It was a skon deposit. The second, Andapacaya, is a porphyry deposit. So on a parallel trend. Speaker 200:25:19But the grades are slightly higher. So it's a project that the Glenfors note about for quite some time. They've been looking at developing it. They've scoped it out as different iterations of underground and open pit and various proportions of that. They are currently working on building social license with the communities, with their view that Once they know that they've secured that, that they would look to push the project forward in terms of development. Speaker 200:25:52So I don't have an exact timeline on When it might start contributing, but I think the way to think about it is that at least by the time Anda Pekai Comes to an end, there is a replacement deposit and so we would see production continuing for a long period. Speaker 500:26:12Great. Thanks, Paul, Sandeep and team. And clearly, your pronunciation is much better than mine. So I got Thanks again. Operator00:26:22Thank you. Next question will be from Martin Pratier at Veritas Investment Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:26:29Thank you. In terms of the volumes, I look at value volumes that were down by 11% and I was Expecting more. So the question is why and what is the expectation going forward? Speaker 300:26:45Sorry, volumes related to which? Speaker 800:26:48Volume in iron ore volumes. Speaker 300:26:50Okay, Yes. So there was 2 components. 1 is Vale, the production is usually lower in the first half The year versus the second half of the year. So we've always guided 45% of our GEOs will be in the 1st 6 months and 55% in the 2nd 6 months. But there was lower production at the mines themselves and then with the lower iron ore price resulted in lower Revenue from Vale. Speaker 300:27:19And then when you convert to GEOs at a higher gold price, it results in lower GEOs. So So there's no difference. Speaker 500:27:25No, I'm Speaker 800:27:25not talking to you. I'm talking simply if you take the iron ore number, that's lower, it's 11% lower. And my expectation is that they would produce more. Speaker 300:27:40Yes. So the revenue number is it's our best estimate at this time, Right. So we don't receive a number from Vale. We're making our best estimate. So it could be a case that we'll be making an adjustment in Q3 based upon what the actual First come out from Vale. Speaker 800:27:56And what is expectation going forward? Because that asset was supposed to grow and it doesn't seem to be growing much. Speaker 300:28:03Yes. Obviously, they've had production challenges, which hopefully get rectified. But They have a threshold in late 2024, early 2025, where our royalty there will kick in. So for our for Franco Nevada, we do expect Higher production from that royalty going forward, but that won't kick in until end of 2024. Speaker 800:28:28Okay. And the tax was rather low. This the tax rate was 13%, Which is lower than what I expected. What should I expect in terms of tax for the year? Speaker 300:28:43So the rate was lower because it's a mix of where the income is earned because we had higher stream ounces From Cobre Panama and Antepakay, our Barbados subsidiary was a larger contribution of our net income, which has resulted in a lower tax rate and we had lower energy revenue, which comes out of the U. S. And Canada. Going forward, we typically guide to about 15 Percent effective tax rate. Speaker 200:29:14Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. Thank Operator00:29:18you. Next question will be from Tanya Jakusconek at Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:29:24Hi, yes. Good morning, everyone. Thank you so much for Taking my questions. Just wanted to follow-up on Pascua Lama, if I could. Just wanted to know, does The royalty on the gold and copper cover all of Barrick's reserves and resources on the Chilean side? Speaker 1000:29:45Yes, Tanya, that's right. The royalty applies only to the Chilean side of the border, but it does cover all of the current resources on that Out of the border and in fact there's an area of interest that is broader than Barrick's property position itself. Speaker 900:30:01So if I was to take about like go into Barrick's reserves and resources and take 60% because I kindly I remember it was about 60% The asset sets on the Chilean side versus $40,000,000 on Argentina, would that be how you kind of viewed it when you paid your $75,000,000 on it? Speaker 1000:30:21Yes, you'd have to look at Barrick's disclosure to try to form a view of resources on the Chilean side. Our view was a bit higher than that. We our view is more like 80%. So when we used our when we were looking at our economics, we were using closer to 80% of the resource on the Chilean side. Speaker 900:30:41Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thank you for that. And maybe just again on the M and A front or transaction front. Speaker 900:30:51Paul, should we be surprised to see you do an energy And or iron ore deal ahead of a gold deal right now because the price because of where the prices are? Speaker 200:31:04Tanya, our preference is always to add more precious metal. But we always say we're open to all commodities. It's driven by good deposits. So you shouldn't be surprised if you see an iron ore or an oil and gas deal. You should expect that it would be on a great deposit. Speaker 900:31:25Okay. And on all of these Opportunities that you're looking at, are we still in that sub $500,000,000 range? I'm just trying to still see whether we're in that. I think it was like $100,000,000 to $350,000,000 I forget, but on all of these that you're looking right now, is that the range I should be thinking about? Speaker 200:31:47Yes. Most of what we're looking at is a modest size, so you're accurate. Speaker 900:31:53100 to 300 area? Speaker 200:31:57Yes. Speaker 900:31:58Okay, perfect. And then Sandeep, maybe if I could come to you to just ask about The year so you've given us guidance at 55% of the production, obviously pricing has an impact on the GEOs in the second half of the year. Oil and Gas or the Energy Division to be lower in the second half. Is there anything on the gold side? Is it evenly distributed? Speaker 900:32:24I know Cobre Panama is ramping up. I just don't know what the timing of your sales. Should I be thinking even distribution on the gold side? Speaker 300:32:33At this stage, yes, Ken, I'd expect Q3 and Q4 be pretty similar. Even if Cobre Panama ramps up with a stronger Q4, there's other assets That will do better in Q3 than Q4. It's just we don't have the exact detail by quarter. So I'd say essentially they'll be similar. Speaker 900:32:53Okay. And yes, that's it for me. Thank you so much. Operator00:32:59Thank you. And your next question will be from Brian MacArthur at Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:33:12Hi, good morning and thank you for taking my question. Just following up on PASPLA, can I ask whether the Copper royalty came with the gold royalty and I guess where I'm going with this is whether you paid very much for the copper Royalties that said we bought from different individuals? And really the question then is, do you see something different at Pasco where we'd be getting Copper going forward or was most of the bid price based assuming on the 2.7% NSR goal? Speaker 1000:33:45Yes. Hi, Brian. The royalty that we bought was primarily based on the value in the gold, so the 2.7% NSR at today's gold prices. The copper, the small copper royalty came attached to that. We did buy it through Different sellers, but each royalty had gold and copper in it. Speaker 1000:34:04So the copper was more a tag along. We don't See as much value in the copper royalty at this stage. Speaker 600:34:11Great. That's what I thought. Speaker 1100:34:13And the second part, you talked about it being a sliding scale and you give About $800 but there were some ones around on the property, if I remember, that were scaled pretty aggressively. Is it Still like, can I assume it's just 2.7% above $800,000,000 even if the gold price goes to like many times that And the sliding scale part is on the lower end? Or is there a function as we ramp up through certain higher prices that you get an extra kicker? Speaker 1000:34:41The sliding scale tops out at $800 an ounce. So at today's prices and anything above $800 an ounce, it's 2.7%. We would obviously just get the benefit of the higher gold price in that scenario. Speaker 1100:34:57Great. Thanks very much. Operator00:35:00Thank you. And at this time, we have no other questions registered. Please proceed with any closing or Q and A on the web. Speaker 100:35:09Thank you, Sylvie. There are no questions on the webcast. 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There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to Franco Nevada Corporation's Second Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call and Webcast. This call is being recorded on August 9, 2023. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, We will conduct a question and answer session where you may ask a question through the phone line or webcast. If you are joining by webcast, You may submit a written question for the Q and A session at any time during this call by typing your question in the Q and A section of the webcast platform. Operator00:00:40And I would like to turn the conference over to your host, Candida Hayden, Senior Analyst, Investor Relations, please go Speaker 100:00:47ahead. Thank you, Sylvie. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Franco Nevada's 2nd quarter 2023 results. Accompanying this call is a presentation, which is available on our website atfrancoe nevada.com, where you will also find our full financial results. Speaker 100:01:07The presentation is also available to view on the webcast. During our call this morning, Paul Brink, President and CEO of Franco Nevada, will provide introductory remarks followed by Sandeep Rana, Chief Financial Officer, who will provide a brief review of our results. This will be followed by a Q and A period. Our full executive team is available to answer any questions. Participants may submit questions by telephone or via the webcast. Speaker 100:01:38We would like to remind participants that some of today's commentary may contain forward looking information, and we refer you to our detailed cautionary note on Slide 2 of this presentation. I will now turn the call over to Paul Brink, President and CEO. Speaker 200:01:56Thanks, Candida, and good morning. For Q2, our core assets returned to normal production and deliveries at Cobre Panama and Anapakay caught up from the disruptions in Q1. Revenue from our diversified assets was impacted by lower oil gas and iron ore prices compared to the relative highs of the prior year period. As a result, we expect total GEOs for the year to be at the low end of our guidance range. With the Cobre Panama CP100 expansion physically complete, we started to see the benefit of higher throughput for the quarter And First Quantum expects to exit the year at the 100,000,000 ton per annum throughput rate. Speaker 200:02:36Following public consultation, the refreshed concession contract was signed by the government and First Quantum and is expected to be presented before the National Assembly during the current setting. G Mining continues to do a tremendous job with the construction of the Toca de Zinho gold mine in Brazil. We've now funded $183,000,000 of our total $250,000,000 stream deposit and the project is on track for commercial production in the second half of twenty twenty four. The quarter saw 1st production from a couple of new mines, Argonaut's Magino mine in Ontario And Fortuna's mine in Cote d'Ivoire. Gold Fields expects first production from Solaris Norte in Chile before year end. Speaker 200:03:21We added a number of royalty interests during the period. In Chile, we acquired 2.64% gold royalty on Barrick's Pansco property. We also acquired a 1.5 percent NSR on Hochschild's Mining's Vulcan Gold project, And we increased our holding on Lundin Mining's Casarones copper mine, so we now own a total 0.57 percent NSR on the mine. In Canada, we acquired an additional 1.5 percent NSR on Marathon's Ballantyne Gold project, and we now hold a total 3% NSR on the project. During the quarter, we entered an agreement to provide royalty financing to exploration stage companies in partnership with E. Speaker 200:04:02M. X Royalty Corp. We have great respect for Eumex's team of on the ground geologists, and they'll be responsible for sourcing the transactions. We were active with community contributions over the 3 months. We contributed to Sibanye Stillwater's community initiative in Montana And to the I-eighty fund, which supports small businesses in rural Northern Nevada. Speaker 200:04:26We also partnered with Perpetual Resources to build social capacity at the Stibnite Gold Project. Frank and Vardo is debt free. It's growing as cash balances and at the end of the June, we had $2,300,000,000 in available capital. Our business development team is active. For many operators and developers, royalty and stream financing is currently the lowest cost of available capital. Speaker 200:04:51With high rates debt financing is expensive And there's little depth in the market before new issued gold equity. With that, I'll hand the call over to Sandeep. Speaker 300:05:00Thank you, Paul. Good morning, everyone. Our diverse portfolio continued to generate strong cash flows and high margins during Q2 2023. Antipakay and Cobre Panama return to normal operations and were key contributors to the strong financial performance in the quarter. As well, the remainder of our mining portfolio performed in line with our expectations. Speaker 300:05:24For the diversified assets, the retreat in iron ore and energy prices from 2022 did result in a reduction in diversified revenues and associated GEOs in Q2 2023 compared to prior year. On Slide 4, we highlight the gold equivalent ounces sold for the last 5 quarters. Overall, GEOs sold for 2nd quarter were 168,515, down from Q2 2022. For the quarter, precious metal GEOs were 132,033, up slightly from same quarter last year And up 19% from Q1 2023. For the quarter, the largest contributors for precious metal geos were Antepakay and Cobre Panama. Speaker 300:06:07At Antipakai, geos delivered and sold were higher in the quarter compared to prior year. Following the temporary suspension of operations and constrained logistics Experienced in Q1 2023, operations returned to normalized levels in March, resulting in significantly higher deliveries to Franco Nevada with 19,680 GEOs sold in the quarter compared to just over 10,000 GEOs in Q2 2022. For Cobre Panama, operations ramped back up to full production following an interruption due to export restrictions in first Together with the benefit of additional processing facilities related to the CP100 expansion project, we received strong deliveries from Cobre Panama with 36,650 GEOs sold in the quarter. Marigold and Tasiast were also strong contributors during the quarter due to mine sequencing and higher grades and recoveries respectively. A few assets which performed below expectation were Antamina, Guadalupe and Stillwater. Speaker 300:07:10For Antamina, we had lower geo sold than prior year as the operator was affected by a tropical cyclone that affected Peru's northern region in March 2023. This also affected production in April, which will impact our 3rd quarter deliveries. At Guadalupe, the operator mined less ounces from lands covered by our stream, resulting in lower geos delivered and sold. And our Stillwater production was impacted by an incident that damaged shaft infrastructure in March 2023. This was remediated in April. Speaker 300:07:42However, the decrease in GEOs compared to prior years also reflects a less favorable PGM to gold conversion ratio. Q2 2023 saw continued volatility in commodity prices. Slide 5 shows the average commodity prices for Q2 2023 and prior year. Precious Metals did see an improvement year over year with gold, silver and platinum averaging higher. However, palladium, iron ore and energy prices were down significantly. Speaker 300:08:11A large component of diversified geos and revenue is energy. Production has remained strong and was 25% higher on a BOE basis during the quarter. However, as seen on Slide 6, The bar charts highlight the retreat in oil and gas prices year over year. WTI averaged $73.78 a barrel in 2nd quarter, down 32% versus prior year. Natural gas averaged $2.32 per Mcf, down 69% versus prior year. Speaker 300:08:42As a result, the sharp fall in energy prices impacted our GEO sold generated by our energy assets, which were 28,683 for the quarter compared to $50,387 in Q2 2022. As you will recall, energy prices saw a sharp increase in 2021 and 2022 due to many factors with the largest being geopolitical tension. Slide 7 highlights our total revenue and adjusted EBITDA amounts for the 3 months ended June 30, 2023, 2022. Revenue and adjusted EBITDA have decreased year over year. The decrease is the result of lower contribution from diversified assets, partially offset by better performance from precious metals. Speaker 300:09:26The company recorded $329,900,000 in revenue in 2nd quarter $275,600,000 in adjusted EBITDA. A margin of 83.5 percent was achieved. As you turn to Slide 8, you'll see the key financial results for the company. As mentioned, geos and revenue were lower in the quarter compared to prior year. On the cost side, we had an increase in cost of sales, which was $47,100,000 compared to $45,500,000 in Q2 2022. Speaker 300:09:55The largest component of this is the per ounce fixed cost we pay for stream ounces. We sold 102,785 stream ounces in the 2nd quarter compared to 98,163 a year ago. Depletion increased to $75,100,000 versus $69,600,000 a year ago. Depletion is based on actual mining GEOs sold And barrels of oil equivalent received from energy assets. As we received higher GEOs from Antipakay and Cobre Panama, which are higher per ounce depletion assets. Speaker 300:10:28This resulted in higher overall depletion expense. For Q2 2023, Adjusted net income was $182,900,000 or $0.95 per share compared to $195,800,000 or $1.02 per share in prior year. Slide 9 highlights the continued diversification of the portfolio. As shown, 79% of our Q2 2023 revenue was generated by precious This compares to 69% in Q2 2022. The geographic revenue profile has Being sourced 89% from the Americas. Speaker 300:11:04With respect to asset diversification, Cobre Panama was again our largest revenue generator at 22 And the last chart highlights our operator diversity, Our largest exposure to revenue being generated by any one operator is 22%, which is First Quantum who operates Cobre Panama. Slide 10 illustrates the strength of our business model to generate high margins. On the slide, you can see that cost of sales has remained fairly consistent over the period shown. The amount of cost of sales will depend on the mix of royalty versus stream GEOs, including mining and energy. During Q2 2023, the Cash cost per GEO, which essentially cost of sales divided by gold equivalent ounces sold was $2.80 per GEO. Speaker 300:11:54This compares to $238,000,000 per GEO in Q2 2022. Corporate administration costs, including stock based compensation, was less than 3 percent of revenue for the quarter. The total can fluctuate quarter over quarter, but it's tended to average approximately $8,000,000 each quarter historically. In a rising commodity price environment, we expect to benefit fully as we do not expect our cost structure to change significantly. Slide 11 summarizes the financial resources available to the company. Speaker 300:12:25When including our credit facility of $1,000,000,000 Total available capital at June 30, 2023 is $2,300,000,000 The company is debt free. And on Slide 12, we reiterate our guidance for the year based upon updated commodity prices as highlighted on the slide and our expectations of production from our royalty and stream interest for the second half of the year, we are maintaining our guidance range for total GEO sold of $640,000 to $700,000 However, we expect to be at the lower end of that range due to the conversion of non gold revenue to geos based on our revised commodity prices. And now I'll pass it over to the operator as we are happy to answer any questions. Operator00:13:09Thank And your first question will be from Sahid Tariq at Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:13:40Hi. Thanks for taking my question. As you think about the diversified Commodity prices, so iron ore, energy prices being lower. Does that in any way change what you're focusing on in your deal pipeline? I know in the past you've talked about countercyclical investing. Speaker 400:13:55So I just wanted to kind of tie that in with how the commodity prices are moving. Thanks. Speaker 200:14:02Thanks. More of the point is, as you say, we try to be opportunistic investors. Our focus is always on precious metals, but when we're investing in other commodities, we're looking to get better entry points. That either needs to be based on lower current commodity prices or at least that we can use lower longer term prices in valuing the deal. So when you do have price weakness, that is an opportunity. Speaker 400:14:35Okay. And then just On the balance sheet, just given the strength of the balance sheet, dollars 1,200,000,000 of cash undrawn revolver, Can you just walk us through maybe how you're thinking about just use of capital in the context of there aren't that many large deals Speaker 500:14:53out there? Speaker 400:14:54Just trying to think of how the balance sheet will be utilized. Thanks. Speaker 300:14:59I'm sure it's Sandeep here. Really, there's no change in strategy. Franco has always had a strong balance sheet, and we're happy having cash on the balance sheet. Obviously, dividend is important, But the number one priority is to deploy that capital to add assets. And we know it's a cyclical business. Speaker 300:15:17There's times when our capital will be needed, and there's other times where We might not be as active, so we're happy accumulating cash on the balance sheet. But the second most important thing is the dividend, Which we intend to raise as we have done in the past. Speaker 400:15:35Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:15:38Thank you. Next question will be from Josh Wolfson at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:15:45Yes, thanks. On the global minimum tax with the draft legislation out In Canada, I'm wondering if there's been any further clarity on what the potential impact is and whether this is something that Is expected to be affecting 2024 taxes paid. Speaker 300:16:10Yes, Josh, no change. As we said last quarter, the estimated 3% to 4% of our NAV based on GMT being implemented January 1, no changes. Speaker 600:16:25Okay. And just to confirm that, that is Consistent with, I guess, the initial interpretations of the legislation? Yes, Speaker 200:16:32correct. Speaker 600:16:33Okay. Thanks. And then speaking of countercyclical investing, Fahad is asking, with the Pascua Lama royalty purchase, It's obviously a reasonably well known asset, but a sort of a larger dollar value, I guess, for an option style Royalty, I'm wondering if there's any additional views the company has on the potential there or if this is Just sort of a tuck in long term option with no further interpretations at least based on what we've heard from Barrick over the last couple of years. Speaker 200:17:12Josh, it's the we think one of our competitive advantages, given the long dated nature of our portfolio is That we can buy some of these long dated interests. Where we'd like to do it and what we found is Great endowments are the ones that ultimately get developed, also the ones that get better over time. Pasquare is certainly one of those, One of the best undeveloped gold deposits. So I think you're right in thinking of it in a kind of cyclical sense. We've done this before. Speaker 200:17:45A great example was Detour when Placid built that mine As an underground mine had abandoned it and we were able to buy royalty on it in a sense in the darkest days And ultimately, it become a very successful mine. It's the way we like to think about these things. Pass Square is a class of deposit that you'll always have operators Looking to spend capital on it, it's in a good security restriction. Our view is it gets developed over time, And I think it will be a tremendous investment. Speaker 600:18:23Great. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Operator00:18:27Thank you. Next question will be from Iko Ihle at H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead. Operator00:18:37Heiko, please unmute your line. Speaker 700:18:41Sorry, can you hear me now? Speaker 300:18:43Yes, we can hear Speaker 700:18:45you. Hello, Paul. Hello, Sandeep. Sorry about that. Yes, I was on mute as we correctly identified. Speaker 700:18:51I personally thought interest rates would be topping out or potentially even leveling off by now. Clearly, that hasn't really happened. But I was curious what longer term interest rate assumptions that you use in your models given your future funding commitments and things like the expansion of underlying streams And also for future acquisitions, please. Speaker 200:19:12I think in short, we're in a very fortunate position. We don't have any debt. So as rates go up, while many people are constrained, we're not. It really puts us in a position that I think we've got more latitude in our Too dynamic investments than many other people who are constrained by debt. Speaker 700:19:33But I assume that with commitments that you have in the future, You have some sort of internal models that you use to place yourself against your competition, though? Speaker 200:19:47We have our models, but as we don't have debt and typically we don't carry debt as a long term Source of financing, when we've had it, we've repaid it quickly. It doesn't factor heavily into our cost of capital. Speaker 700:20:06Fair enough. I think we'll take this one offline. And then also, Can you provide some color on your plant depletion year by year through 2027? I saw you had the longer term outlook And your presentation, you can just like a rough estimate by year? Speaker 300:20:24I don't have those numbers in front of me Heiko. We can take that offline. Speaker 700:20:28Perfect. And then last one I have. Just looking at the remainder of the year, what assets do you think Might make the biggest difference between plans for your outlook and what we've actually come in. In other words, What do you think is there anything that analysts should be looking at particularly closely? Speaker 300:20:50I think we've reiterated our guidance. So the ranges that we had provided as part of our March guidance, I think we're comfortable that our core assets will achieve those targets, In which case, it results in us meeting our guidance levels in the second half of the year. Speaker 700:21:08Fair enough. Appreciate it. I'll give you guys a callback later. Speaker 300:21:11Okay. Thanks Heiko. Operator00:21:13Thank you. Next question will be from Cosmos Chiu at CIBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:20Great. Thanks, Paul, Sandeep, Santeep. Maybe my first question is on your guidance as well. Paul, as you mentioned, you're now targeting the lower end of your guidance range. You've kind of answered my questions, but I just want to confirm, If I just look at your precious metals guidance, you're actually tracking pretty well. Speaker 500:21:41So the fact that you're targeting for total geos, the lower end, Is that really just due to lower sort of diversified prices, energy prices, iron ore prices? Or is that too simplistic of a way to look at it? Speaker 300:21:56No. Cosmos, you're essentially correct. It's when we did our original guidance, The iron ore price we used was higher than what it's averaged thus far in 2023 and what we're using going forward, Same with the energy prices. And so the other side, gold price is higher than what we had in our original guidance. You get a double impact on converting the non gold revenue to GEOs and that's essentially the reason for guiding to the lower end. Speaker 500:22:26Perfect. And then in terms of some of the corporate development here, you talked about in your MD and A The partnership with EMX Royalties, it's not new, but at least right now, I guess, You're putting a number to it, joint acquisitions, not huge, dollars 5,500,000 on your end. But I guess my question is, what does each of the parties bring to the table? I kind of know the answer, I just want to confirm. And could this lead to something that's bigger down the road? Speaker 500:23:03Or is this really the niche in terms of smaller, Earlier stage royalties, utilizing, say, the technical expertise of the EMX team. Mr. Speaker 200:23:17Kosmos, a couple of things there. We know the team well. We like the team. Part of the DNA of our business Is to keep on bidding on the smaller royalties where we see value. Our issue is how we prioritize our time. Speaker 200:23:32The team most of the time is engaged on bigger transactions. So one of the great benefits for us in this transaction is The AMX team is targeting these transactions. We pay a bit of a carry on the deal. Our capital being available means that they can approach parties with more capital to put to work. So those are the main elements of it. Speaker 200:24:01And the overall strategy here is and a bit to what I alluded to in the overall comment. Capital really is constrained for the gold development sector and particularly for the earlier stage exploration sector. So we think we can profitably put dollars to work in an area that really needs the capital. Speaker 500:24:23That's good to hear. Maybe one last question more asset specific here. Anthropologie in the MD and A, you highlighted the exploration potential here at I got to butcher this. Coralcoheco, so about 10 kilometers away from Antipakay. Could you maybe talk a bit more about that in terms of timing, in terms of upside potential and what we could [SPEAKER CHRISTOPHER MANDEVILLE:] Well, before we take Speaker 300:24:52that, I'd like to. Speaker 200:24:54So, Cosmos, a bit of background on that property. And as you'll recall, the first Mine on that property was Tintaya, mine by BHP. It was a skon deposit. The second, Andapacaya, is a porphyry deposit. So on a parallel trend. Speaker 200:25:19But the grades are slightly higher. So it's a project that the Glenfors note about for quite some time. They've been looking at developing it. They've scoped it out as different iterations of underground and open pit and various proportions of that. They are currently working on building social license with the communities, with their view that Once they know that they've secured that, that they would look to push the project forward in terms of development. Speaker 200:25:52So I don't have an exact timeline on When it might start contributing, but I think the way to think about it is that at least by the time Anda Pekai Comes to an end, there is a replacement deposit and so we would see production continuing for a long period. Speaker 500:26:12Great. Thanks, Paul, Sandeep and team. And clearly, your pronunciation is much better than mine. So I got Thanks again. Operator00:26:22Thank you. Next question will be from Martin Pratier at Veritas Investment Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:26:29Thank you. In terms of the volumes, I look at value volumes that were down by 11% and I was Expecting more. So the question is why and what is the expectation going forward? Speaker 300:26:45Sorry, volumes related to which? Speaker 800:26:48Volume in iron ore volumes. Speaker 300:26:50Okay, Yes. So there was 2 components. 1 is Vale, the production is usually lower in the first half The year versus the second half of the year. So we've always guided 45% of our GEOs will be in the 1st 6 months and 55% in the 2nd 6 months. But there was lower production at the mines themselves and then with the lower iron ore price resulted in lower Revenue from Vale. Speaker 300:27:19And then when you convert to GEOs at a higher gold price, it results in lower GEOs. So So there's no difference. Speaker 500:27:25No, I'm Speaker 800:27:25not talking to you. I'm talking simply if you take the iron ore number, that's lower, it's 11% lower. And my expectation is that they would produce more. Speaker 300:27:40Yes. So the revenue number is it's our best estimate at this time, Right. So we don't receive a number from Vale. We're making our best estimate. So it could be a case that we'll be making an adjustment in Q3 based upon what the actual First come out from Vale. Speaker 800:27:56And what is expectation going forward? Because that asset was supposed to grow and it doesn't seem to be growing much. Speaker 300:28:03Yes. Obviously, they've had production challenges, which hopefully get rectified. But They have a threshold in late 2024, early 2025, where our royalty there will kick in. So for our for Franco Nevada, we do expect Higher production from that royalty going forward, but that won't kick in until end of 2024. Speaker 800:28:28Okay. And the tax was rather low. This the tax rate was 13%, Which is lower than what I expected. What should I expect in terms of tax for the year? Speaker 300:28:43So the rate was lower because it's a mix of where the income is earned because we had higher stream ounces From Cobre Panama and Antepakay, our Barbados subsidiary was a larger contribution of our net income, which has resulted in a lower tax rate and we had lower energy revenue, which comes out of the U. S. And Canada. Going forward, we typically guide to about 15 Percent effective tax rate. Speaker 200:29:14Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. Thank Operator00:29:18you. Next question will be from Tanya Jakusconek at Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:29:24Hi, yes. Good morning, everyone. Thank you so much for Taking my questions. Just wanted to follow-up on Pascua Lama, if I could. Just wanted to know, does The royalty on the gold and copper cover all of Barrick's reserves and resources on the Chilean side? Speaker 1000:29:45Yes, Tanya, that's right. The royalty applies only to the Chilean side of the border, but it does cover all of the current resources on that Out of the border and in fact there's an area of interest that is broader than Barrick's property position itself. Speaker 900:30:01So if I was to take about like go into Barrick's reserves and resources and take 60% because I kindly I remember it was about 60% The asset sets on the Chilean side versus $40,000,000 on Argentina, would that be how you kind of viewed it when you paid your $75,000,000 on it? Speaker 1000:30:21Yes, you'd have to look at Barrick's disclosure to try to form a view of resources on the Chilean side. Our view was a bit higher than that. We our view is more like 80%. So when we used our when we were looking at our economics, we were using closer to 80% of the resource on the Chilean side. Speaker 900:30:41Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thank you for that. And maybe just again on the M and A front or transaction front. Speaker 900:30:51Paul, should we be surprised to see you do an energy And or iron ore deal ahead of a gold deal right now because the price because of where the prices are? Speaker 200:31:04Tanya, our preference is always to add more precious metal. But we always say we're open to all commodities. It's driven by good deposits. So you shouldn't be surprised if you see an iron ore or an oil and gas deal. You should expect that it would be on a great deposit. Speaker 900:31:25Okay. And on all of these Opportunities that you're looking at, are we still in that sub $500,000,000 range? I'm just trying to still see whether we're in that. I think it was like $100,000,000 to $350,000,000 I forget, but on all of these that you're looking right now, is that the range I should be thinking about? Speaker 200:31:47Yes. Most of what we're looking at is a modest size, so you're accurate. Speaker 900:31:53100 to 300 area? Speaker 200:31:57Yes. Speaker 900:31:58Okay, perfect. And then Sandeep, maybe if I could come to you to just ask about The year so you've given us guidance at 55% of the production, obviously pricing has an impact on the GEOs in the second half of the year. Oil and Gas or the Energy Division to be lower in the second half. Is there anything on the gold side? Is it evenly distributed? Speaker 900:32:24I know Cobre Panama is ramping up. I just don't know what the timing of your sales. Should I be thinking even distribution on the gold side? Speaker 300:32:33At this stage, yes, Ken, I'd expect Q3 and Q4 be pretty similar. Even if Cobre Panama ramps up with a stronger Q4, there's other assets That will do better in Q3 than Q4. It's just we don't have the exact detail by quarter. So I'd say essentially they'll be similar. Speaker 900:32:53Okay. And yes, that's it for me. Thank you so much. Operator00:32:59Thank you. And your next question will be from Brian MacArthur at Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:33:12Hi, good morning and thank you for taking my question. Just following up on PASPLA, can I ask whether the Copper royalty came with the gold royalty and I guess where I'm going with this is whether you paid very much for the copper Royalties that said we bought from different individuals? And really the question then is, do you see something different at Pasco where we'd be getting Copper going forward or was most of the bid price based assuming on the 2.7% NSR goal? Speaker 1000:33:45Yes. Hi, Brian. The royalty that we bought was primarily based on the value in the gold, so the 2.7% NSR at today's gold prices. The copper, the small copper royalty came attached to that. We did buy it through Different sellers, but each royalty had gold and copper in it. Speaker 1000:34:04So the copper was more a tag along. We don't See as much value in the copper royalty at this stage. Speaker 600:34:11Great. That's what I thought. Speaker 1100:34:13And the second part, you talked about it being a sliding scale and you give About $800 but there were some ones around on the property, if I remember, that were scaled pretty aggressively. Is it Still like, can I assume it's just 2.7% above $800,000,000 even if the gold price goes to like many times that And the sliding scale part is on the lower end? Or is there a function as we ramp up through certain higher prices that you get an extra kicker? Speaker 1000:34:41The sliding scale tops out at $800 an ounce. So at today's prices and anything above $800 an ounce, it's 2.7%. We would obviously just get the benefit of the higher gold price in that scenario. Speaker 1100:34:57Great. Thanks very much. Operator00:35:00Thank you. And at this time, we have no other questions registered. Please proceed with any closing or Q and A on the web. Speaker 100:35:09Thank you, Sylvie. There are no questions on the webcast. 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