Health Catalyst Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 8, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the HealthCatalyst Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you have any follow-up questions, please reenter the queue. So others can hear your questions clearly, we ask that you pick up your handset for best sound quality. I would now like to turn the call over to Adam Brown, Senior Vice President of FP and A and Investor Relations.

Operator

Sir?

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and welcome to HealthCatalyst earnings conference call for the Q2 of 2023, Which ended on June 30, 2023. My name is Adam Brown. I am the Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Financial Planning and Analysis And with me on the call is Dan Burton, our Chief Executive Officer and Brian Hunt, our Chief Financial Officer. A complete disclosure of our results can be found in our press release issued today as well as in our related Form 8 ks furnished to the SEC, both of which are available on the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.healthcatalysts.com. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available following the conclusion of the call.

Speaker 1

During today's call, we will make forward looking statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act $19.95 regarding trends, strategies, the impact of the macroeconomic challenges, including high levels of inflation and high interest rates, the tight labor market, our pipeline conversion rates and the general These forward looking statements are based on management's current views and expectations as of today It should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We disclaim any obligation 3 that will be filed with the SEC. We will also refer to certain non GAAP financial measures to provide additional information to investors. A reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures is provided in our press release. With that, I will turn the call over to Dan.

Speaker 1

Dan?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Adam, and thank you to everyone who has joined us this afternoon. We are excited to share our 2nd quarter 2023 financial performance along with additional highlights from the quarter. I will begin today's call with some summary Commentary on our Q2 results and outlook. We are pleased with our Q2 2023 financial results, including total revenue of $73,200,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $3,500,000 with these results beating the midpoint of our quarterly guidance on each metric. Additionally, we are tracking slightly ahead of our previous full year revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance.

Speaker 2

And as a result, we are raising our 2023 revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance. Inclusive of net new DAS subscription client additions and dollar based retention rate. Now let me highlight some additional items from the quarter. You will recall from our previous earnings calls that we measure our company's performance in the 3 strategic objective The first category improvement is focused on evaluating our ability to enable our clients to realize massive measurable improvement, while also maintaining industry leading client and team member satisfaction and engagement. Let me begin by sharing an example of a client from a recently published case study.

Speaker 2

As women's hospital in Louisiana faced increasing costs Consistent with the broader health system end market, their leadership team understood that they needed a technology solution that would support strategic decision making and provide them with a detailed comprehensive view of their costs. To achieve this goal, Women's Hospital implemented our power costing analytics application, part of our financial empowerment technology suite to enable them to better manage their Leading to improvement in their revenue performance and enhancements in their strategic decision making effectiveness. Our power costing application allowed the women's hospital team to analyze detailed cost data and look at the contribution margin for each of their services, Enabling our leadership team to answer important strategic questions, ultimately utilization of the detailed Cost data from our power costing application empowered the women's hospital team to be awarded $10,000,000 in additional funding From the Department of Health for their OBGYN residency program, likewise, women's identified $2,000,000 in labor cost savings opportunities, The result of decreasing contract labor costs while providing market based salary adjustments for registered nurses and Improving retention of highly qualified nursing staff. Also in the improvement category, we have been fortunate to receive additional external recognition Related to our team member engagement, 1st for the 11th year in a row, HealthCatalyst has been named the best place to work in healthcare by Modern Healthcare.

Speaker 2

Additionally, HealthCatalyst has been included in this year's top workplaces in the healthcare industry list by Energage. Likewise, we are pleased to be for the first time Great Place to Work certified in India, Our recognition of our high team member engagement in this region. Lastly, we are excited to share that Our next strategic objective category is growth, which includes expanding existing client relationships and beginning new client relationships. To summarize, our operating environment continues to align with what we have shared in prior quarters with some slight improvement in recent months. This has translated to a strong first half bookings performance that was consistent with our expectations.

Speaker 2

And during the second half of twenty twenty three, our pipeline continues to grow and our anticipated second half bookings are also in line with our previously shared expectations. As such, we are reiterating our full year 2023 bookings expectations, Inclusive of a dollar based retention rate between 102% 110% and net new DAS subscription client additions in the low double digits. As it relates to our current selling environment, we continue to Similar tailwinds and headwinds that are consistent with what we have described over the last couple of quarters. While health system operating margins continue to be challenged relative to longer term historical levels, we are encouraged to see their operating margins improving Given the budgeting cycles of most health systems and the typical length of our sales cycles, We anticipate this will translate as a midterm bookings tailwind. Related to our full year 2023 bookings expectations, A reminder that we continue to anticipate professional services bookings growth to be higher than technology bookings growth, driven by our tech enabled managed services offering.

Speaker 2

From July 1, 2022 through June 30, 2023, Our tech enabled managed services ARR grew by more than 80% and represents nearly 50 relationship with HealthCatalyst. These long term partnerships include multi year contracts with on average More than $8,000,000 of total ARR per client, which is about 4 times larger than the average ARR per DAS subscription client. Next, I'm excited to announce 2 recent tech enabled managed services contracts. First, we are pleased to have entered into an expanded relationship with a regional health system who has been a client of Health Catalyst For nearly a decade, this 5 year $50,000,000 all access technology and services contract More than quintupled the size of the client's relationship with HealthCatalyst and includes an opportunity for an additional shared success bonus This health system has become one of HealthCatalyst's 10 largest clients. This annual spend level also represents approximately 5 of this client's net patient revenue highlighting the depth of this long term partnership.

Speaker 2

Importantly, this relationship represents a new Tech enabled managed services offering area for us in which we are managing the vast majority of the non clinical staff across this health With another meaningful growth engine in addition to our current tech enabled managed services in analytics and chart abstraction. Additionally, I am pleased to share another significant tech enabled managed services expansion that was signed recently with another health system Who has been a client of HealthCall's for nearly a decade. This new 5 year contract is sized at approximately $60,000,000 And at roughly $12,000,000 of annual recurring revenue, it represents approximately a doubling and the size of this client relationship relative to last year. The expansion is inclusive of an all access technology subscription As well as an expansion to tech enabled managed services within the chart of traction and analytics domains with an emphasis on clinical quality improvement And HealthEquity, we are excited to deepen this long standing partnership and we are encouraged that it represents another meaningful example that demonstrates the strong value proposition of our tech enabled managed services offering. To summarize from a growth perspective, We had a strong first half bookings performance.

Speaker 2

Our pipeline continues to grow and we anticipate our second half bookings performance We'll be in line with our prior expectations. Likewise, we are excited to have announced multiple sizable tech enabled managed services expansion as further evidence of our meaningful traction with clients. Lastly, as you'll hear from Brian later in our prepared remarks, We are pleased to raise our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance for the full year and we continue to feel confident In our long term revenue growth target of 20 plus percent and our long term adjusted EBITDA margin target of 20 plus percent. Additionally, we continue to track well towards our midterm targets, including 10% adjusted EBITDA margin in 2025 and meaningful positive adjusted free cash flow in 2025. We continue to see material operating leverage in our financial model, Inclusive of significant technical managed services expansions that require little incremental operating expenses.

Speaker 2

Likewise, we anticipate seeing more material R and D operating leverage beginning in 2024 as we streamline and work to complete With that, let me turn the call over to Brian. Brian?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Dan. Before diving into our quarterly financial results, I want to echo what Dan shared and say that I am pleased with our 2nd quarter performance. I will now comment on our strategic objective category of scale. For the Q2 of 2023, we generated $73,200,000 in total revenue. This represents an outperformance relative to the midpoint of our And it represents an increase of 4% year over year.

Speaker 3

Technology revenue for the Q2 of 2023 was $47,300,000 representing 4% growth year over year. This Quarterly revenue performance was slightly higher than anticipated in our quarterly guidance due to a few technology environment go lives that generated a deferred revenue catch up occurring earlier than forecasted. Professional services revenue for Q2 2023 was $25,900,000 representing 3% growth relative to the same period last year. For the Q2 of 2023, total adjusted gross margin was 50%, representing a decrease of approximately 500 basis points year over year. In the Technology segment, our Q2 2023 adjusted technology gross margin was 68%, A decrease of approximately 2 70 basis points relative to the same period last year and in line with previously shared expectations.

Speaker 3

This year over year performance was mainly driven by headwinds due to the continued costs associated with transitioning a small subset of our client base From on premise to 3rd party cloud hosted data centers in Microsoft Azure, as well as from costs associated with migrating a subset of our client base for our multi tenant Snowflake and Databricks enabled data platform environment, partially offset by existing clients paying higher technology access fees from contractual built in escalators without a commensurate increase in hosting costs. In the Professional Services segment, our q222adjusted professional services gross margin was 17%, representing a decrease of approximately This quarterly performance was generally in line with the expectations we shared on our last earnings call and primarily driven by new That enabled managed services relationships that start out at a lower at a low gross margin and expand over time. In Q2 2023, adjusted total operating expenses were $32,900,000 As a percentage of revenue, adjusted total operating Adjusted EBITDA in Q2 2023 was $3,500,000 with this performance exceeding the midpoint of our guidance And which represents an increase of $1,500,000 relative to the same period last year. This Q2 2023 adjusted EBITDA results was mainly driven by the quarterly revenue outperformance mentioned previously, along with the timing of some non headcount expenses that we anticipate will be pushed out to the second half of the year.

Speaker 3

Our adjusted basic net income per share in Q2 2023 was $0.05 The weighted average number of shares used in calculating adjusted basic net income per share in Q2 was approximately 56,000,000 shares. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended Q2 2023 with $343,800,000 of cash, cash equivalents and short term investments compared to $363,500,000 at year end 2022. Related to our cash balance, In Q2 2023, we came to a settlement in regards to our previously disclosed litigation with PASCAL Metrics. The total settlement amount was $18,800,000 which was within the anticipated range of outcomes we disclosed last quarter in our 10 Q. In terms of liabilities, the face value of our outstanding convertible notes is a principal amount of $230,000,000 due in 2025.

Speaker 3

As it relates to our financial guidance for the Q3 of 2023, we expect Total revenue between $70,200,000 $74,200,000 and adjusted EBITDA between $2,500,000 And for the full year 2023, we now expect Total revenue between $290,500,000 $295,500,000 At their respective midpoints, This represents an increase of $500,000 compared to the full year revenue guidance we provided last quarter. We also expect full year 2023 adjusted EBITDA between $10,000,000 $12,000,000 At their respective midpoints, this represents an increase of $1,000,000 compared to the full year adjusted EBITDA guidance we provided last quarter. Now let me provide a few additional details related to our 2023 guidance. First, as it relates to our Q3 2023 revenue expectations, We anticipate that our revenue will be slightly down quarter over quarter, primarily driven by the previously mentioned first half One time revenue items and go live that generated a deferred revenue catch up as well as the timing of our revenue generation from net bookings in the first Next, in terms of our adjusted gross margin, we continue to anticipate that our adjusted technology gross margin We'll be in the high 60s in the 3rd quarter. In the professional services segment, we anticipate that our Q3 adjusted professional services gross margin We'll be down a few points compared to Q2 2023.

Speaker 3

The result of new tech enabled managed services revenue, which begins at a low gross margin before expanding over time. Lastly, we anticipate our operating expenses will be slightly up relative to Q2 2023, mainly the results of some non headcount expenses that we now anticipate will occur in Q3 as opposed to Q2 2023. Lastly, let me share a few additional details related to our full year 2023 guidance. As Dan mentioned, we are pleased to be in a position to increase the midpoint of our guidance range for both revenue and adjusted EBITDA. In terms of our adjusted gross margin, we continue to expect that our adjusted technology gross margin will be in the high 60s through 2023.

Speaker 3

For our adjusted professional services gross margin, we anticipate that we'll be in the high teens for the year, primarily as a result of our mix of professional services being comprised of a larger percentage of tech enabled managed services given the strong growth in that segment of our business. With those relationships starting out at a lower gross margin and expanding over time. Lastly, we anticipate our adjusted operating expenses As a percentage of revenue, we'll be down more than 700 basis points year over year, largely the result of our restructuring efforts and meaningful continued operating leverage with the largest year over year reduction occurring in SG and A. With that, I will conclude my prepared remarks. Dan?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Brian. In conclusion, I would like to recognize and thank Our clients and team members without their consistent engagement in and contributions to our shared mission, none of this would be possible. And with that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. The floor is now open Thank you. And our first question will come from Elizabeth Anderson with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Hi, guys. This is Sameer Patel on for Elizabeth Anderson. One question I just wanted to How do we read into this increased revenue guidance given the reiterated net retention rates, at least that range? Does that imply like improving outlook on new customer wins?

Speaker 4

Or are you just expecting to reach maybe slightly higher point within that net retention range that you've shared?

Speaker 3

Yes, great question, Sameer. Yes, so the primary drivers of the Increase to our revenue guidance range this year are mainly timing. So we are a little bit ahead of schedule As it relates to, as I mentioned, some client implementations and go lives, and some of the bookings that have rolled through for the year. So that's the primary kind of driver. What you're describing Sameer around kind of the new client environment as well as the dollar based retention rate For us, it's a little bit less impactful in year because of the kind of more back end weighted nature of our bookings this year, which is kind of what we expected coming into 2023, but that growth will be more pronounced as we complete the year and drive toward 2024.

Speaker 2

Got it. Super helpful. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Our next question will come from Vishal Patel with Piper Sandler, your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi. This is Vishal Patel on for Jeff We wanted to ask about the recently proposed lump sum 340B remediation payments to hospitals. From your conversations with customers, are those taming shaping up to be a tailwind for U. S. Health systems perhaps further invest in data analytics?

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 2

It certainly helps. Yes. And I think there are a couple of modest Tailwinds that we're observing across our client base, that's one of the tailwinds. I think there are some other tailwinds in terms of inflationary Pressures coming down a little bit as it relates to labor and supplies, all of which are contributing to a slightly better operating margin environment, which we believe will be a midterm Tailwind for us.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next, we have a question from Daniel Grossleit with Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi, thanks for taking the question. I'm curious how we should think about the services gross margins as we enter into a more normal environment in 2024 and beyond. Given the shift Tech enabled managed services, has this turned into the high teens, low 20s margin business going forward? Do you think you'll eventually get up to The margins that you have achieved prior to the recent downturn. And then as a part of that, can you just maybe give us a little bit more detail around kind of how that Contributes to EBITDA because even though it's lower gross margin, you don't really have any of the set a lot of the set up costs.

Speaker 4

So it might be quicker To add to EBITDA even though gross margins are a bit lower in that product?

Speaker 2

Yes, well said Daniel. I think Both of those points are important. So on the first point, we are continuing to gather data and obviously we're excited To have seen, as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, from July 1 last year through June 30 this year, a really significant growth in tech enabled managed services our Public Services segment, it's growing very rapidly at more than 80%. That is encouraging to us. We see in our pipeline further growth in that kind of opportunity.

Speaker 2

And as we've mentioned with Two examples that we went through, these can be very large contracts and they're also long standing contracts, typically 5 years locked Dan, which is really helpful. To your point, there are many positives and then there are a couple of challenges with regards to those kinds of contracts. One of the challenges is As Brian mentioned early on, gross margin is quite low, sometimes starting as low as around 0%, but then migrating over time Up to the mid-20s as we've shared in the past. That is different from what we talked about when we were public in terms of a long term Pro Services gross margin target more like in the mid-30s. We still do have other Pro Services that we continue to offer that Some of which do have a higher margin profile.

Speaker 2

I think we're early in the process of understanding exactly how this all plays out over time. We're definitely encouraged by the fact that to your second point, those technical managed services, as we sign these large contracts, We're seeing over and over again that they do not require meaningful incremental operating expenses. And as such, even In that scenario where we're getting to more like a mid-20s gross margin profile for the professional services, it also includes meaningful tech subscriptions, Usually, MIGR is the All Access, which is a much higher risk margin profile. And the lack of a requirement of any incremental Meaningful operating expenses leads us to have confidence even in scenarios where tech enabled managed services continues to be a real True on growth engine that we can maintain that long term EBITDA guidance of 20 plus percent.

Speaker 3

Yes. And I'd just add to that, Danny. So We are encouraged to see a little bit more EBITDA progress this year than what we had expected coming into the year. And then in terms of the long term target commentary That Dan was referring to, well, that is an area on the pro services side that we're studying more and we'll likely have more to say as we learn more about the level of demand on the tech enabled side, but what we do continue to feel confident in related to our long term targets that we set at IPO Are the long term revenue growth rate of 20% plus and the long term EBITDA profile of 20% plus.

Speaker 4

Yes. Makes sense. Thanks for the color.

Operator

Daniel? Our next question will come from David Larsen with BTIG. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hi. Congrats on the good quarter. So you signed 2 very large deals, 1 for $50,000,000 1 for 60,000,000 Yes, you described the hospital sort of environment as modest improvement and slight improvement. Just any more color there would be very helpful. I mean, as far as I can tell, that's those are very your contracts, I'm assuming that even at the end of the 5 years, they'll probably renew again.

Speaker 5

Just any more color would be very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Absolutely. Thanks for the question, David. So we are definitely encouraged to see 2 more examples of really large tech Managed Services contracts and of course over the last 9 months we've seen several of these really meaningful expansions with our existing We're very encouraged by that. Now some of the reason for these large expansions is because tech enabled managed services Offers financial relief. It offers help with regards to financial pressures.

Speaker 2

And so, certainly that par dollar ROI that we're able to offer has helped As to be part of the solution to health systems is facing financial pressure. And as we know, for decades now health systems have had to operate With very low operating margins, see that changing in the foreseeable future at a significant level. So we continue to feel like That tech enabled managed services value proposition of being better, faster and cheaper is very, very compelling and will be a really nice growth engine for us for many years. At the same time, we're also encouraged anytime our client end markets financial condition improves a little bit, it just becomes a little bit easier for us To keep moving forward and expanding the relationship, both with tech enabled management services, but also in other areas as well. So That is nice to see some tailwinds and nice to see some improvements in their operating environment.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then just one more quick one. Did I hear you say that you're going to be managing nearly all of the non clinical aspects of one of your hospital For clients as part of one of these deals?

Speaker 2

You did hear that in the ambulatory space. So all the ambulatory clinics, Non clinical staff, the vast majority of them are now dual employed including a primary employment We're really excited about that. We've talked in the last couple of earnings calls about how important ambulatory operations are our health system clients, so many of them have made strategic moves into the ambulatory space, purchasing clinics and physician practices, But so many are struggling from a financial and operational performance perspective and we've for a number of years provided Technology support to improve ambulatory operations, but this is really a deeper step in that direction of getting right into the trenches And managing most of the staff at these clinics and we do view this as a really exciting new tech enabled managed services offering area for

Speaker 5

Great. Congrats on the quarter.

Speaker 2

Thanks, David.

Operator

Thank you. Next, We have Jack Wallace with Guggenheim Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question. It sounds like we've got 4 pretty substantial client expansions in the Thames agreements so far this year. And thinking about the TENS deals, when we spoke earlier this year, you talked about having some pretty good visibility into when these types of deals might be signed About 1 to 2 quarters out, as we're sitting here in August,

Speaker 3

with the meat of

Speaker 4

the selling season In the back half of the year, what kind of incremental visibility do you have into that 102 to 110 Net dollar retention range and are we shading towards either end of that range at this point? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, Jack. I appreciate the question. It's an important one. So as you mentioned, we have signed several Of these large second Eagleman and Services deals over the last 9 months, there have been 5 inclusive of the Carle Health deal, which is right at the end of last Sure took effect at the beginning of this year.

Speaker 2

So across those, a few patterns that we've noticed have emerged. 1, We do have good visibility as to the likelihood that we will win those contracts. In each case, the number of months Before the actual signing of the contract, we had gotten really good indication that the client had decided that they're going to move forward with us. What we have also realized is it continues to be hard to precisely predict exactly when that contract Signature will occur. And part of the reason for that is these are such large contracts and long standing contracts in terms of being 5 years in nature that often there's a need for us to go through a couple of additional confirmatory steps And often those are really positive.

Speaker 2

It's led for example for me to have the opportunity with multiple clients to interface with Board members Of these clients and get to know and build a relationship with them long term, which is I think long term a wonderful thing, but those things take time. And so We have tried to showcase and share that as we think about the back half of this year, we're excited that our pipeline is growing. We have really meaningful opportunities. And we have a sense that we're tracking well like we've seen in the past in terms of the likelihood that we will win Those contracts and as has been the case and as we've shared in the past, almost all of these opportunities, We are the sole source vendor that's being considered. There's not an RFP process.

Speaker 2

And so it's really a matter of the client deciding we're going to move from From managing these services in house to partnering with Health Catalyst, but we've continued to see like we've seen in these last 5 contracts that we've signed, It is difficult for us to precisely predict the timing of exactly when the contract signs and exactly when the revenue begins. That is one of the reasons why we've shared a wide range of dollar based retention because these are big lumpy deals. And as an example, last year, The Carl Health deal alone swung our dollar base retention by about 4 points. And so At that level, you can see pretty significant impact of one deal from a timing perspective, signing in December January February. And so we haven't updated that range because that dynamic still exists.

Speaker 2

And yet at the same time, we're So excited about the long term benefits, strategic benefits of these technical benefits and services contracts. As we keep the relationship in a really good place, Yes, they're signing 5 year contracts where they're locked in on both the technology side and on the service side. And so it's worth a little bit of near term uncertainty, Which we can manage over time.

Speaker 4

Got you. That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Eric.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Scott Schoonhouse with KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hi, team. Thanks for all that updated color on the hospital end markets. I thought that was Very nice color from where we talked 90 days ago and very encouraging. I want to focus in on the margin. You talked about the non headcount headwind in the back half.

Speaker 3

Is that related to the Q3 internal marketing event that you guys Due annually. And then built within that is outside of that non headcount related item, you're seeing a lot of leverage, operating leverage Sales and marketing, how should we think about that going forward? Should we continue to see that as we continue to see Strong demand for expansion services mean that you won't need a robust sales and marketing team if your clients are just expanding their services. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Scott. I'll maybe address the second question and then Brian if you want to address the first question. So as it relates to the second question, There are a few examples now that we've gathered quite a bit more data on Techneo managed services contracts that are encouraging to us as it relates to operating leverage. The first certainly that you pointed out is there's meaningful sales and marketing leverage where like we have shared in the past, one really effective account Executive can cover the waterfront of even a very deep and multifaceted existing client relationship. And that was the case, for example, with Carl Health.

Speaker 2

We had one account executive before they expanded from $4,000,000 to $16,000,000 today. We still have one dedicated account executive and they're able to manage that relationship really effectively. So There is really meaningful sales and marketing operating leverage and we see that continuing through these other contracts that we Existing client relationships that are expanding, that is one of the benefits of having the foundation of our growth long term We really focused on expanding existing client relationships. There's just a lot of leverage there and it's generally a very high leverage, High ROI kind of sales and marketing motion and that is our strategy long term. So we are encouraged by that.

Speaker 2

As we also mentioned in the Prepared remarks, that isn't the only place where we see operating leverage. We've already seen some meaningful G and A operating leverage as well where We can take on these large contracts without needing to add a lot of G and A infrastructure. And we also anticipate starting in 2024, some really meaningful R and D leverage as we mentioned in the prepared remarks. So there's multiple facets to what feel encouraging to us As we see, CHEMs is a growth engine moving forward.

Speaker 3

Yes, that's well said. And then just on your first question, Scott, so related to our EBITDA margin kind of trends for the year, we are encouraged to have been in a position to raise our EBITDA margin target for the year Slightly and continue to make progress on, as Dan mentioned, operating expense efficiency and leverage. There is a little bit of seasonality In our non headcount spend, we had some non headcount spend. So to your point, Scott, things like advertising spend, some event Spend things like contractor work on the R and D side that we think has just slipped to the back half of the year rather than the first half of the year, But less so related to the large marking event. Thank you so much for

Speaker 2

all that color. Appreciate it. Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Richard Close with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.

Speaker 1

Hi. This is John Penney on for Richard Close. Thanks for the question and congrats on the quarter. Just a question again and going back to the technical managed services. Just exactly like what exactly is your expectation in terms of timing for like For the gross margins to ramp, like how long do you think it'll take to get to the 20% from the low single digit 0 that you're talking?

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, John. So as we've discussed in the prepared remarks and as we've discussed in prior quarters, Often we begin these technical managed services relationships around 0% gross margin give or take and each contract is a little bit different. But Typically, we start with quite a low gross margin, somewhere in that 0% plus range. And then over the course of a typical 5 year contract, we see gross margin improvement in the tech and implemented services part of that contract where that grows from 0% early In that first year up to that 25% long term target towards the end of that 5 year contract It's important also to note that we also benefit from the fact that there's a technology subscription that's also part of that client relationship.

Speaker 2

And And in each of the cases that we've shared over the past 9 months, our clients have migrated from a little bit more modular Relationship to a more all access type of relationship and that often involves some meaningful tech Expansion at a high gross margin. And so the combination of the tech and the technical managed services is also what really contributes to our Confidence level that with those kinds of relationships, we can still produce a 20 plus percent EBITDA margin.

Speaker 3

Yes. And just to add to that,

Speaker 4

we do have a couple

Speaker 3

of data points of clients who have been longer standing in terms of the tech enabled managed services relationship with us that have migrated toward that or to that 25% Tech and Human Managed Services gross margin level. So that's been encouraging. While it's been more of a recent focus for us on some of these newer deals, that does present a bit of a headwind in the second half and into 2024. But as Dan shared, moving to these long term, very deep Strategic relationships that are locked in for 5 years provides us with great visibility as compared to of the more traditional model that we've seen, which has been more of a month to month model. Perfect.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, John.

Operator

Our next question will come from Stan Berenstin with Wells Fargo Securities, your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hi, thanks so much for taking my questions. It looks like your conference has shifted From a typical 3Q to 1Q, a couple of questions on that. I guess, one, how should we think about the timing in terms of the associated expenses here? And then Did that in any way shift your visibility into next year's bookings? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, Stan, for the question. Yes, we did decide to make a shift in the timing of the Healthcare Analytics Summit from September to The winter time, so February of next year will be when we hold that. We do love that event as an opportunity for Our existing clients together for a user group experience and for us to talk about ways in which we can expand and deepen those relationships. And We also opened it up to others who aren't clients of HealthCatalyst to come and view it as an industry event and an opportunity to learn more about Healthcare Analytics.

Speaker 2

So that is an important enabling factor in our ability to continue to keep moving forward with With regards to pipeline conversion and bookings, but we rather anticipate that that will be a nice tailwind in early 2024 that will help us to continue the momentum that we see. As I mentioned in our prepared remarks, we feel Encouraged by the fact that our pipeline is growing. We feel encouraged by the fact that we have the coverage that we need To have reiterated our confidence in the full year bookings expectations both with existing clients from a dollar Great perspective. And with regards to the DAS subscription clients.

Speaker 3

Yes. And just in terms of the timing of the expense, Dan, So most of that expense for the Summit will occur in the Q1 timeframe. There is some as you get kind of prepared for the Summit, Some work that leads up to that. There will be some expense for us this year in the back half, in particular in Q4. But most of that will kind of change In terms of the different quarterly cadence, and again, one of the areas that we continue to be very focused on in terms of Operating expense, streamlining and leverage will continue to be sales and marketing.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Jeff Garro with Stephens. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Wanted to follow-up on the earlier question On the Thames ambulatory win, I'll try to lump a few related questions together. Just curious what the kind of core focus Will be for that non clinical ambulatory staff that you'll be rebadging, categories like data management, quality reporting, intake Revenue cycle come to mind, but curious to hear more from you there. And then also looking to get some color on the shared success possibility, Just any detail on the KPI or type of KPIs that could lead to earning a shared success bonus?

Speaker 6

And lastly, just any color you could add And how the rebate staff can better leverage technology to create the efficiencies and hard dollar ROI that

Speaker 3

you talked about? Thanks. Excellent.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jeff. So we are very excited about this CHEM's ambulatory operations opportunity. And As I mentioned a few minutes ago, we've been for a number of years providing technology support and analytics support so that our clients can understand their ambulatory performance Both financially, operationally and clinically, and we've seen really meaningful opportunities for improvement that we've showcased through our technology. But it's been harder for us to help our clients actually realize the improvement that would lead to improved clinical outcomes, financial and operational outcomes. So this is an opportunity for us to really go deeper.

Speaker 2

And to your point, as we pinpoint opportunities whether There on the revenue and volume side, which there are some greatest hits there that you would typically see in terms of opportunities for productivity improvement Or on the cost side in terms of efficiency management, whether that's labor utilization, Supplies utilization or other factors as well. We have been aware of those specific opportunities. We've highlighted those for clients, But now we're most of the team that can implement the changes necessary to see the improvement. And that leads to your second question As it relates to how is the Shared Success bonus structured? And in this first case, it's quite simple.

Speaker 2

It is focused on us improving the operating income of those clinics. And as we do so, we'll share in the success of the improvement We've seen in that operating profit. So that is a great focusing mechanism for all of us To be aligned in terms of seeing that operational and financial performance, which also can often be driven by clinical improvement in terms of the way that we treat patients. So that's how the shared success bonuses is focused. And then in terms of how we're managing the rebad Yes.

Speaker 2

One of the things we love about Technical Managed Services is it plays to some of our natural differentiated strengths as a best place to work with Very, very high team member engagement. Our last Gallup result put us in the 97th percentile in terms of Our team member engagement relative to a very large benchmark set and we intend to leverage that engagement With these team members to enable them to really help drive the needed operational, financial and clinical changes That will lead to that improved performance. And so we have seen that work in really effective ways in our other tech enabled managed relationships and we're excited to see similar kinds of results as we move into this ambulatory operation space.

Operator

And our next Question will come from Sarah James with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Thank you and congrats on the quarter. It was really interesting earlier you mentioned having the opportunity to talk to some board members of your advisor clients around their strategy of budget setting. Were you able to glean any trends of what market conditions they're looking for is the longevity of those. And if you could give us a reference from the last margin expansion that providers went through. What was sort of the lag that you saw between market conditions changing and an uptick in for contract expansion?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you for those questions, Sarah. So As you would expect, my experience with interfacing with Board members at health system clients is that they are appropriately Long term focused, strategically focused. Want to make sure that as you mentioned in the second part of your question that These health systems are well prepared to make it through upward and downward cycles from a macroeconomic perspective and an inflationary perspective, Etcetera. And so I think that's actually one of the really appealing elements of what we're offering as it relates to technical managed services.

Speaker 2

We're offering great visibility and great predictability for an extended period of time that kind of works their way through some upward and downward Cycles and to one of the other comments made a few minutes ago, our experience thus far while we're excited To structure these contracts is 5 years. Thus far, we've experienced renewal For those clients that have been long standing with us is a very likely option. So these are we believe more like 10 year, 15, 20 year Decisions that our clients are making that these boards are making that provides them with that predictability and visibility Through upward and downward cycles, so that they can manage really effectively important costs and know that They're receiving that cost efficiency from a partner who also cares deeply about those team members because these boards are also very community focused and They care about the impact of employment in their local community and our ability to keep those individuals deployed locally, Keith, and part of the community long term is another really appealing element while also helping the financial sustainability of these health systems. And then The last thing that I think is really appealing to these boards is that these team members become force multipliers.

Speaker 2

They become catalysts, Unintended to enable improvement throughout the broader healthcare ecosystem within that health system. And that leads to even more sustainability by improving clinical outcomes, improving patient outcomes, While also driving operational and financial improvement. And I think those are the elements that these boards are looking for and senior leaders are looking for. And I've heard that personally face to face over and over again. I'm now up to over 150 visits with C Suite Executives and Board members Our top 100 clients and that's really what they're looking for is how do we walk ride through difficult economic cycles and Get to the other side of those with real predictability.

Speaker 2

And to your point, one of the benefits of healthcare is typically The highs aren't quite as high and the lows aren't quite as low through economic cycles. And I think having predictability through those cycles It can be really helpful. And as such, even some small improvements in operating margins can enable More investment in strategic long term areas. And so to your last question, I think we do see the movement over the last Several months as being positive and we see some momentum in terms of the operating margin improvement Yielding a little bit more movement in our pipeline, but it's usually a little bit more muted in healthcare in both directions Than what you might typically see in other industries. As a data point, I

Speaker 3

would just share Sarah, as you see some of that pipeline For us, traditionally, our sales cycles do tend to be longer. So they're around a year on average and they typically kind of align with Fiscal years or budget cycles for health systems are usually July 1 or January 1. So Certainly, we'll take time for some of that kind of improvement to roll through our pipeline and into kind of a bookings cadence over the medium term.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Our next Question will come from Sean Dodge with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hey, good afternoon. This is Tom O'Keler on for Sean. Thanks for taking the question. Just a quick follow-up on the analytics. So I just want to make sure I'm clear on the timing.

Speaker 3

So roughly $2,000,000 to $3,000,000 cost associated with posting that some, but that was already factored into the initial 2023 guidance or was that more recent shift 2024? Thanks. Yes. And it was a little hard to hear you, Thomas. But yes, the Summit event We had been working on early in the year in terms of timing and so generally contemplated that in terms of our guidance for 2023.

Speaker 3

And so that's kind of played out kind of in line with that expectation. Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

All right. Thank you. At this time, there are no further questions in the queue. So I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Dan Burton for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you all for your time and for your interest in HealthCatalyst. We appreciate it and we look forward to staying in touch.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. And this does conclude today's HealthCatalyst 2nd quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Please disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.

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