NASDAQ:MXCT MaxCyte Q2 2023 Earnings Report $2.55 -0.10 (-3.77%) As of 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast MaxCyte EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.10Consensus EPS -$0.10Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/AMaxCyte Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$9.04 millionExpected Revenue$11.00 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$1.96 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMaxCyte Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/9/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, August 9, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsMaxCyte's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 7, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by MaxCyte Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 9, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by, and welcome to MagSight's Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to hand the call over to the Head of Investor Relations, Sean Menardis. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:31Thank you, Atis, and good afternoon, everyone. My name is Sean Menardis, and I'm the Head of Investor Relations at MaxSight. Thank you all for participating in today's conference call. On the call from ExCyte, we have Doug Dorfler, President and Chief Executive Officer And Douglas J. Sworski, Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:48Earlier today, Maxite released financial results for the Q2 ended June 30, 2023. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Before we begin, I need to read the following statements. Statements or comments made during this call may be forward looking statements Within the meeting, expectations or predictions of future events, results or performance are forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied and any forward looking statements due to a variety of factors, which are discussed in detail in our SEC filings. Speaker 100:01:19The company has no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, whether because of new information, future events or otherwise. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Doug. Speaker 200:01:30Thank you, Sean. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining MaxSight's 2nd quarter 2023 earnings call. I will begin with a We will then open up the call for questions. MaxSight reported $9,000,000 of revenue in the 2nd quarter as we experienced softness in the cell therapy industry. The cell therapy industry has prioritized pipeline programs, which has resulted in nominal growth in R and D spending. Speaker 200:02:03Less R and D spending in the industry, we believe, has resulted from a challenging and evolving macroeconomic environment. Despite this, we are confident in our updated annual outlook 2023 and continue to be excited about the health of our long term business. Our partnership pipeline is robust, highlighted by our 5 partnerships so far this year. Customer engagement remains high and I remain extremely excited about the opportunities for Magnecyte's platform as the premier cell engineering technology and support for the growing industry. You'll note that our 2nd quarter revenues, including Our core business revenues are down from the same quarter last year. Speaker 200:02:43As discussed on last quarter's call, 2023 has been a challenging year for the industry, which has been impacted by multiple macroeconomic factors, including the challenging capital markets environment. The biotech industry continues to prioritize pipeline assets for R and D investment, especially with small Development stage cell therapy companies focused on programs in late stage preclinical and early stage clinical trials. With this backdrop, we are seeing continued cautiousness in capital investments from our customers, resulting in extended Purchasing cycles for instruments and processing assemblies. Our negative growth rate in the first half of twenty twenty three were exacerbated by difficult year over year comparisons, which D. J. Speaker 200:03:29Will discuss in a few minutes. While some of our customers are narrowing their investments, are encouraged by our clinical SBL partners' progress, where we are generally enabling their lead or second assets. These assets remain our partners' active focus for their development investment and progression through the clinic. Outside of these evolving headwinds, Cell therapy industry continues to move briskly toward non viral cell engineering approaches with an increased focus on more complex engineered cell therapies often including multiple engineering steps and molecules across an expanding variety of cells and disease types. We believe these industry trends play to the strength of the MagSight platform, which has driven a continued high level engagement from current and prospective customers. Speaker 200:04:20Our robust pipeline has led to 5 SBL partnerships being signed this year, which supports our view of the value derived from our platform. In July August, we announced 3 new SBL partnerships, including Lyle Immunopharma, Vitoria Biotherapeutics and Prime Medicine, our partnerships with Lyle and Vittoria diversify our Portfolio into new therapeutic modalities, expanding our exposure to next generation autologous CAR Ts from previously only allogeneic CAR Ts. In addition, Lyle expands our exposure to solid tumor indications, which opens up a significant commercial revenue opportunity for MaxCyte. 1st generation autologous CAR Ts including Escargiclib RAYA consists of one engineering set. In certain, you're transducing the CAR into T cells with a viral vector. Speaker 200:05:14As the field evolves to expand the applications for cell therapy, developers are focusing on more complex approaches with additional edits and unique gene editing tools, which has further accelerated the shift in non viral cell engineering approaches. Furthermore, as highlighted in the Lyle and Vittoria partnerships, the field continues to advance complex non viral Cell engineered techniques in both autologous and allogeneic settings. MaxSight is well positioned to address these evolving market trends. The breadth of our SPL partnership funnel is the result of broad engagement with academic clinical translational centers and commercial customers. We have developed new SPL partnerships in both customer segments with Vittoria being the recent example of our work with University of Pennsylvania's GMP translational center. Speaker 200:06:05Victoria is working toward commercializing their proprietary cell therapy 3.0 technology, which was developed out of the University of Pennsylvania. Our partnership with Prime Medicine supports their Prime editing technology platform, which is a novel next generation gene editing tool targeting repair of almost all types of genetic mutations across the broad range of tissues, organs and cell types. Prime Medicine is another example of expanding applications in cell therapy, many of which the MaxA platform is at the forefront of enabling. Given the evolving operating environment, our SBL partners Often narrowing their focus to their lead assets, which they continue to progress through the clinic. The progression through the clinic of such programs and their positive clinical data readouts are critical events in the current funding environment and have led to capital raises in recent months. Speaker 200:07:02We are also seeing our existing partners Pursue new indications, including, for example, the expansion of CAR T applications to autoimmune diseases As cell therapy indications expand into autoimmune or solid tumors, for example, they also require multiple doses. This is where the performance and scalability of the MaxSight platform has a key competitive advantage. Based on our partners' decisions, we believe it's Clear that the MaxLite platform is the platform of choice for innovative cell therapy development. We look forward to the 1st commercial approval of a product enabled by our platform, Vertex and CRISPR's exocell program. Earlier this year, the ExoCell program announced the completion of a rolling BLA submission to the FDA for sickle cell disease and transfusion More recently at the European Hematology Conference, Vertex presented updated data from exocell showing pivotal trial data for the beta thalassemia and sickle cell disease that met primary and key secondary endpoints. Speaker 200:08:07The pivotal data was integral to the exocele receiving PDUFA dates for sickle cell and beta thalassemia of December 8, 2023 March 30, 2024 respectively. This application approval would be the 1st non viral engineered cell therapy product granted by the FDA and would further validate the utility of MagCyte's platform as the premier enabler of non viral engineered cell therapies. Our unique partnerships provide MaxSight with near, medium term and long term revenue potential where MaxSight has the opportunity Share the performance of partners programs as those programs reach commercialization. To provide more context on the scale of our commercial opportunity, We highlighted this potential on new Slide 15 in our corporate presentation. As you may be aware, we are approaching the 1st wave of partner commercial approvals, which include the potential launch in 2024 of exocell in sickle cell disease and beta thalassemia, followed shortly thereafter by a second commercial wave of 7 potential therapies with expected launch potential between 20252027. Speaker 200:09:21The 2nd wave of therapy spans across blood cancers, including lymphoma and leukemia, Solid tumor and genetic diseases. The 3rd commercial wave potentially includes 8 partnered therapies with a launch window between 2028 in 2,030. The commercial revenue opportunity for MagSight from the success of only a portion of these partner programs is substantial And our portfolio of commercial opportunities continues to grow in preclinical development as well with more than 20 preclinical programs currently being developed by our partners. Additionally, following the signing of 5 strategic partnerships to date this year, The total pre commercial milestone revenue potential has increased by about 30% or $500,000,000 $2,000,000,000 across 23 announced partnerships. In 2023, we focused on effectively fortifying our position The market with targeted investments to support our future growth driven by our customers and expanding SPL partner base. Speaker 200:10:28These investments include enhancing our process development capabilities and ongoing product and technology development to best serve the market. In addition, we continue to make investments in our applications lab, which will enhance our ability to support next generation cell therapy innovators that are pursuing complex cell therapies. We believe these are the right investments to ensure the long term success of MagSight and support the growth of the cell therapy sector. Our expert VLX large scale transfection system launch continues to be focused on working with early access customers to define the value proposition for applications. The potential of the VLX is across several applications such as Transient protein manufacturing and is currently focused on preclinical development and early stage clinical trials. Speaker 200:11:20The key capabilities of the VLX instrument enable customers to shorten development timeline and have broad compatibility, including workflow integration and flexibility. We look forward to further engagement with Early Access customers so we can provide the market with applications data A large scale transfection solution to address current bottlenecks in the bioprocessing market. In summary, our team members are working through an evolving and challenging operating environment this year, which will impact the timing of our customers' Development programs and capital investments. However, we are confident in our updated full year outlook and long term strategic goals. The substantial promise of the cell therapy industry over the long term remains intact. Speaker 200:12:06And importantly, we maintain a high degree of confidence and the value to our technology provides to the industry. We are excited by the potential of the SBL partnerships we signed in 2023 and the robust pipeline of additional opportunities. We are honored to support our partners and believe we remain the partner of choice for non viral cell engineering technology. With that, I will now turn the call over to D. J. Speaker 200:12:32To discuss our financial results. D. J? Speaker 300:12:37Thank you, Doug. Hello, everyone. Total revenue in the Q2 of 2023 was $9,000,000 compared to 9.6 1,000,000 in the Q2 of 2022, representing a 6% decline. In the 2nd quarter, We reported core revenue of $8,300,000 compared to $9,600,000 in the comparable prior year quarter, representing a 14% decline. This includes revenue from cell therapy customers of $6,600,000 and revenue from drug discovery customers of $1,700,000 which both declined 14% year over year. Speaker 300:13:12The decline in revenues was the result of the challenging operating environment oftentimes leading to prioritization of pipeline assets for R and D, causing elongated purchasing cycles from customers in instruments and PAs. Recall that in the first half of last year, the core business at MacSight benefited from some pent up purchasing demand as customers returned to lab work following COVID In addition to strong revenue growth from a later stage SPL partner approaching commercialization, We recognized $800,000 of SPL program related revenue in the Q2 of 2023 As our partners continue their progress through the clinic compared to no material SPL program related revenue in the Q2 of 2022. To provide more color on the core business, instrument and PA sales were down 24% for the first half of twenty twenty three compared to the comparable prior year period. As previously discussed, within the challenging funding environment, we are seeing increased cautiousness in capital investments from our customers resulting in extended purchasing cycles for instruments and PAs. The lower PA utilization seen in the first half of twenty twenty three was primarily impacted by deprioritized research and development programs at earlier stage customers and lower PA demand from a later stage program that has progressed to the regulatory filing stage. Speaker 300:14:42Excluding this particular partner, the PA utilization of our platform by clinical SPL Partners remains a bright spot and grew year over year. Revenues from leased instruments also remained stable with a growth of 2% for the first half of twenty twenty three compared to the prior year period, driven primarily by our SPL partners. Moving down the P and L, gross margin was 85% in the Q2 of 2023 compared to 88% in the second quarter of the prior year. Margins were negatively influenced by the ramp up of in house manufacturing and related production costs. Total operating expenses for the Q2 of 2023 were $20,700,000 compared to $17,200,000 in the Q2 of 2022. Speaker 300:15:31The overall increase in operating expenses was primarily driven by increases in R and D, sales and marketing, headcount and to a lesser extent, legal and strategic consulting expenses. The company continues to invest in commercial sales and marketing operations, Innovative product development, field application scientists, automated manufacturing capabilities as well as business and corporate development to drive long term We finished the 2nd quarter with combined total cash, cash equivalents and short term investments of $216,000,000 and of course, No doubt. Moving to our full year 2023 guidance, we are updating our outlook and now expect core revenue for 2023 to be comparable to 2022. And SPL program related revenue expectations remain unchanged from our previous guidance at approximately $6,000,000 for the year. Our updated guidance incorporates cautiousness around the challenging macro environment and the timing of purchasing patterns from our customers and partners. Speaker 300:16:35As we have discussed previously, the timing of partnership revenue is predicated on our customers' clinical and regulatory progress, and therefore, is fundamentally more difficult to predict than core revenues. And finally, I want to note our strong financial position as we still expect to end this year with approximately $200,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments and no debt. Our cash position is a strategic asset for the company as we are funded well into future profitability, allowing us to focus on realizing the long term potential of our business model. Let me close by saying that overall, we are confident in our updated 2023 revenue outlook, and we believe that our modest cash burn and debt free balance sheet will support our future plans for profitable growth. Now I'll turn the call back over to Doug. Speaker 200:17:28Thank you, TJ. In summary, we are excited about our partnership progress during the first half and are increasingly optimistic about the long term outlook for MacSight and the depth of our partnership pipeline. We are committed to strengthening our opportunity to lead the industry as a premier cell engineering platform technology, supporting the development of advanced cell based therapeutics for patients who may not otherwise have treatment options. As always, we thank our MaxA team as well as our board, suppliers, investors, partners, patience and the amazing industry that we have the honor of serving. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator for the Q and A. Speaker 200:18:10Operator? Operator00:18:13Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Julie Simmons Speaker 400:18:47Thank you very much. A couple of questions, please. Firstly, just about the sort of slightly lighter Cell therapy revenues coming through. Is I was just wondering how much of that is to do with Customers delaying because of sort of financial reasons or do you think there's anything to do with the delays coming through for potentially looking at alternative methods of non viral manufacturers that they could be looking at. Is there any competitive angle to it? Speaker 400:19:16Is that causing any sort of pricing issues That could also be Speaker 300:19:20causing this slowdown. Speaker 200:19:23Hey, Julien, it's Doug. No, we're not seeing Any major competitive issues, there's always some people coming in and out. We have Thermo Fisher in Doing their Xenon, we've had Lonza with their products. So I think it comes in and out. I think when we look at all the data, we look at all the sales reports, it's really based on The belt tightening of the early stage companies, product developers, that's where we're seeing The shortfall, we're still seeing significant strength in the SPL part of our business, but it's these companies that really aren't very well funded. Speaker 200:20:06They're Typically, either just recently received Series A or Series B funding. And it's as you can imagine, it's pretty tough out there and they're all tightening their belts. Speaker 400:20:17Cool. I'm glad there's nothing coming through that's sort of interfering with your lead to the market. And just wondering in terms of Timing versus Q3, Q4, probably one for DJ this one. Normally, there's been a sort of big A boost as far as Q4 is concerned and because companies get towards the end of the year, they're making decisions on these things. Are you looking for a similar sort of profile this year? Speaker 400:20:41Or do you think it's going to be more measured throughout given the first half of last year was so strong? Speaker 300:20:48Thank you, Julie. We're expecting certainly a heavier Q4 and that's based really on looking at the book of business and specific opportunities when we I think that purchases are going to occur. So we do not provide quarterly guidance, as you know, but I would definitely be thinking to wait slightly heavier Operator00:21:20Thank you. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Arias of Stifel. Good afternoon, guys. Operator00:21:36Excuse me. Thanks for Speaker 500:21:37the questions. Doug, one of the details or nuances that seemingly emerge as a part of this belt tightening that you're referring to. It's just been this observation that some companies are pulling back indefinitely and some are just sort of Delaying purchases or extending purchase timelines, can you just talk about what you're seeing from your seat when it comes to The product prioritization that you're talking about? And then the follow-up question for DJ would be sort of along the lines of the last one, which is Looking at the back half of the year, can you just talk about that confidence that you expressed on the revised outlook, Flat for the year, but you're down mid teens so far. So maybe a comment on the extent that the order book is informing The back half view and the visibility that you might have to stepping up to a higher growth number? Speaker 500:22:30Thanks a bunch. Speaker 200:22:32Thanks, Dan. Nice to hear your voice. So a couple of things. One is, when we we're talking obviously, The softness really is in those companies that are not our partners at this point. They're typically, as you know, really early kind of early stage preclinical partners. Speaker 200:22:53We're seeing them pulling back pretty substantially across the board In rationalizing their product portfolio, we've had some of these companies raising Series A and Series B. You've seen their pipeline Charts, they have been dramatically cut over the last, I want to say, 6 to 12 months. Unfortunately, we're seeing layoffs in the field And we're seeing restructuring. We're seeing folks basically abandon certain programs even if they're in late stage preclinical. We're also seeing most recently announcements by companies that they're taking their assets that looked like we're going to have to invest Quite considerably the move through to Pivotal and they're talking about trying to partner those off to Either big companies or other ways of gaining revenue gaining capital for those. Speaker 200:23:48So it's across the board. I don't think we're seeing anything in particular. I think you've covered the Waterfront pretty well. It's all those different things. Speaker 300:23:58In terms of looking at the back half of the year here in revenue, I think we've got good line of sight into how our revenue model gets put together. I think we've already factored in All these headwinds that Doug just mentioned, we've looked at particular pieces of the business and opportunities and we've reflected that in terms of Moving those out of our projections for 2024. So I understand that the first half was down and we need a very reasonable second half to get back to level for in terms of a year over year comparison, but we are reasonably confident in our forecast here with an emphasis on Q4. I think we're working hard to make sure we have a reasonable Q3, but I think looking at the back end of the year, I'd say Q4 is where we're going to make the most Of the deficit up in terms of reaching a comparable level of core revenue for the year versus 2022. And Dan, let me add Speaker 200:24:53to what DJ is saying. I think we're also seeing on the commercial side a significant increase in the amount of activity Going on in the marketplace in the first half of this year, which we really hadn't seen until recently. People back in business, they want to go to meetings, They're attending meetings. We're getting really good attendance at trade shows, booth traffic and a lot of leads coming in. I think also we've made, as you No. Speaker 200:25:19Some investments in sales and marketing over the last, let's say, 6 to 12 months, new salespeople coming into the organization, Finding their way and building their book of business. So I want to add that to the confidence that DJ said as well as the activity we're seeing in the commercial marketplace. Okay. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Operator00:25:47Our next question comes from the line of Jacob Johnson of Stephens. Speaker 600:25:55Hey, thanks. Good afternoon. Maybe a question on The recent SPL additions, looking at some of these companies, they have some decent cash balance, they seem to have I'm just curious, is this something you're being more selective about on your end or do these just happen to be the opportunities Speaker 200:26:22Yes. I think what we're finding is that We're spending a lot more time with folks who have more advanced programs. Obviously, we as our Head of Commercial Operations We do a wallet check before we get too far down the path of some of these negotiations. So I think it's a combination, but I also want to just recognize that Some of these deals we did this year are really kind of pushing the envelope in terms of the whole field of engineered cell therapies. And obviously, the last one with Prime It's an example of us being at the forefront of this whole area. Speaker 200:26:58So maybe that comes with More capital for these companies as we're moving into new more novel ways of treating and potentially curing some of these diseases. Speaker 600:27:13Okay. Thanks for that, Doug. And maybe one for you, DJ, just on kind of OpEx And managing expenses in this environment, obviously kind of a lighter revenue outlook than the start of the year. Are you all trying to manage OpEx a little bit more in this environment like your customers are? Speaker 300:27:38100%. We have although we're moderating our revenue guidance, we're still maintaining a goal here Ending the year with $200,000,000 in cash and equivalents and short term investments. So we are mindful of operating expenses. They did grow year over year for the Q2, but I think that growth is slowing and we're going to continue to work hard to make sure that We treat the cash that we have as a strategic asset and we're going to protect that by being mindful of our spending. At the same time, we still Really believe in the long term viability of this industry that we're supporting and our business model. Speaker 300:28:17And so Perhaps, we'll be mindful on the G and A side, but in terms of investing in R and D and in sales and marketing, I think those are items that we need to And you invest in because again, we want to fully take advantage of the opportunity in front of us. Speaker 600:28:35Got it. Makes sense. Thanks for taking the questions. Operator00:28:43Our next question comes from the line of Matt Larew of William Blair. Speaker 700:28:51Hi. This is Ashley Madelyn Mollman on for Matt. I just wanted to ask about gross margin. I know it's just down a little bit this year year over year and you said some of that was from increased Costs from moving into the new facility and things like that. I'm just wondering how much of the gross margin is tied to the lower revenue volume Versus how much is tied to ramping up in the new facility and additional costs? Speaker 300:29:18The absolute bulk of that relates to A decline in PA margins related to ramping up manufacturing in the facility. Speaker 700:29:28Great. Thank you. And then how do you anticipate that to the cadence of gross margin over the back half of the year? Speaker 300:29:36I think gross margin is going to be heavily dependent obviously on product mix. We also are anxiously awaiting some additional Milestone revenue, which comes at no additional cost to us. So I think the overall gross margin is to be heavily influenced by the achievement of those milestones. In terms of operating margins on the PAs, we'd expect those to Get higher over time as we sort of work through getting the facility up and running, which we're investing in automation and things like that. Operator00:30:19Our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro of BTIG. Speaker 800:30:27Hey, guys. This is Vivien on for Mark. Thanks for taking the questions. So at STLs, You've already beat the high end of your outlook of signing 3 to 4 per year there. So I guess looking beyond the core revenue guide, is Is there any impact to your SPL visibility or funnel? Speaker 800:30:44I think you've talked about the dynamic in the past that factoring in the new additions during the quarter? Thanks. Speaker 200:31:08Could you repeat part of the question? I mean, I didn't so on the SPL revenues, you're asking Which of the SPOs we signed, which of those relationships are around lead asset? Is that the question? There are a lot of questions. Speaker 800:31:25Yes. Just more broadly, I was just asking if there's any impact. Obviously, the guide down was core revenue, but you're still feeling good about STL and the cadence of signing 3 to 4 per year in the coming years. Speaker 200:31:41Yes, absolutely. And we also let's see, we talked about Well, no, we'll talk about that later, I guess. So yes, no, I think that the majority of these programs are their lead asset that they're working with And these are top companies, so we're quite excited about the prospect and the prospects for this year and next year. Speaker 800:32:08Okay, perfect. And then I guess, I know it's difficult to Kind of quantify the contribution from your first partnered approval, but obviously a key topic, Keep upcoming event here. But as we get closer to year end, if we were to maybe model a mid single digit milestone payment And thinking about a low to mid single digit royalty rate in out years, would we be in the right ballpark there? Speaker 200:32:41So we've always said low to mid single digits would be the percentage of the top line of the partner. So when you model that, I think that would be the more appropriate number low to mid for the total and that would include royalties, Instrument leases and single use disposable revenue. Speaker 800:33:04Okay, perfect. Thank you for taking the question. Speaker 200:33:07Thank you. Operator00:33:12Thank you. Our next question comes from the line So just some follow-up questions. Speaker 900:33:37So a follow-up question on the guide. Given that the SPL revenue was maintained at $6,000,000 what gives you guys some confidence on that given the macro softness and longer sales Tycho, you guys Speaker 300:33:54have mentioned. Steve, the question is how confident we are in the $6,000,000 Guide that we're maintaining for the milestone? Speaker 900:34:05Yes, that's right. Speaker 300:34:07I mean, we're very confident in that number. So we've modeled out and risk adjusted that and come up with a few scenarios. We feel pretty good about that, but you can imagine that there is a particular approval that we have our eyes on and that would heavily influence Achievement of that or not. Speaker 200:34:24And I think also, if I can add to that, these companies that we're working with, the SPL partners, generally, they're all pretty well financed. And again, we're working with their 1st or second asset, which is where they're prioritizing their investment right now. So we're not seeing them backing off on us. Speaker 900:34:44Okay, great. And then a follow-up question on the gross margins on the PAs that were impacted based on the In house manufacturing, I'm assuming that's due to scale that you're just amortizing the fixed costs over a smaller number of products. If that's the case, when should we start to see the gross margin impact on that in house manufacturing normalizing? Thank you. Speaker 300:35:10Again, I don't think we have a timetable. I think it is influenced by volume and I think we'd expect that number to trail up. We can't give you specifics on the way we'd sort of cross back into historical margins. I think bringing the manufacturing in house of Some of these PAs did it for a lot of reasons and some of which is related to cost, but a lot of it's related to other items such as they're controlling our own destiny And being able to support our partners in particular. Operator00:35:48Thank you. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Doug Doerfler for closing remarks. Sir? Speaker 200:35:56Okay. Well, thank you all for participating and thank you, operator, and thanks everyone for joining our earnings call today and we look forward to providing an update on the Q3 later this year. Thank you very much. Operator00:36:09This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. 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Email Address About MaxCyteMaxCyte (NASDAQ:MXCT), a life sciences company, discovers, develops, and commercializes next-generation cell therapies in the United States and internationally. Its products include ExPERT ATx, a static electroporation instrument for small to medium scale transfection; ExPERT STx, a flow electroporation for protein production and drug development, as well as expression of therapeutic targets for cell-based assays; ExPERT GTx, a flow electroporation for large scale transfection in therapeutic applications; and ExPERT VLx for very large volume cell-engineering. The company also provides disposable processing assemblies (PAs) to process and electroporate cells; and accessories supporting PAs, such as electroporation buffer solution and software protocols. It licenses and sells its instruments and technology; and sells its consumables to developers of cell therapies, as well as to pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies for use in drug discovery and development, and bio-manufacturing. MaxCyte, Inc. was incorporated in 1998 and is headquartered in Rockville, Maryland.View MaxCyte ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Tesla Stock Eyes Breakout With Earnings on DeckJohnson & Johnson Earnings Were More Good Than Bad—Time to Buy? 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by, and welcome to MagSight's Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to hand the call over to the Head of Investor Relations, Sean Menardis. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:31Thank you, Atis, and good afternoon, everyone. My name is Sean Menardis, and I'm the Head of Investor Relations at MaxSight. Thank you all for participating in today's conference call. On the call from ExCyte, we have Doug Dorfler, President and Chief Executive Officer And Douglas J. Sworski, Chief Financial Officer. Speaker 100:00:48Earlier today, Maxite released financial results for the Q2 ended June 30, 2023. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Before we begin, I need to read the following statements. Statements or comments made during this call may be forward looking statements Within the meeting, expectations or predictions of future events, results or performance are forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied and any forward looking statements due to a variety of factors, which are discussed in detail in our SEC filings. Speaker 100:01:19The company has no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, whether because of new information, future events or otherwise. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Doug. Speaker 200:01:30Thank you, Sean. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining MaxSight's 2nd quarter 2023 earnings call. I will begin with a We will then open up the call for questions. MaxSight reported $9,000,000 of revenue in the 2nd quarter as we experienced softness in the cell therapy industry. The cell therapy industry has prioritized pipeline programs, which has resulted in nominal growth in R and D spending. Speaker 200:02:03Less R and D spending in the industry, we believe, has resulted from a challenging and evolving macroeconomic environment. Despite this, we are confident in our updated annual outlook 2023 and continue to be excited about the health of our long term business. Our partnership pipeline is robust, highlighted by our 5 partnerships so far this year. Customer engagement remains high and I remain extremely excited about the opportunities for Magnecyte's platform as the premier cell engineering technology and support for the growing industry. You'll note that our 2nd quarter revenues, including Our core business revenues are down from the same quarter last year. Speaker 200:02:43As discussed on last quarter's call, 2023 has been a challenging year for the industry, which has been impacted by multiple macroeconomic factors, including the challenging capital markets environment. The biotech industry continues to prioritize pipeline assets for R and D investment, especially with small Development stage cell therapy companies focused on programs in late stage preclinical and early stage clinical trials. With this backdrop, we are seeing continued cautiousness in capital investments from our customers, resulting in extended Purchasing cycles for instruments and processing assemblies. Our negative growth rate in the first half of twenty twenty three were exacerbated by difficult year over year comparisons, which D. J. Speaker 200:03:29Will discuss in a few minutes. While some of our customers are narrowing their investments, are encouraged by our clinical SBL partners' progress, where we are generally enabling their lead or second assets. These assets remain our partners' active focus for their development investment and progression through the clinic. Outside of these evolving headwinds, Cell therapy industry continues to move briskly toward non viral cell engineering approaches with an increased focus on more complex engineered cell therapies often including multiple engineering steps and molecules across an expanding variety of cells and disease types. We believe these industry trends play to the strength of the MagSight platform, which has driven a continued high level engagement from current and prospective customers. Speaker 200:04:20Our robust pipeline has led to 5 SBL partnerships being signed this year, which supports our view of the value derived from our platform. In July August, we announced 3 new SBL partnerships, including Lyle Immunopharma, Vitoria Biotherapeutics and Prime Medicine, our partnerships with Lyle and Vittoria diversify our Portfolio into new therapeutic modalities, expanding our exposure to next generation autologous CAR Ts from previously only allogeneic CAR Ts. In addition, Lyle expands our exposure to solid tumor indications, which opens up a significant commercial revenue opportunity for MaxCyte. 1st generation autologous CAR Ts including Escargiclib RAYA consists of one engineering set. In certain, you're transducing the CAR into T cells with a viral vector. Speaker 200:05:14As the field evolves to expand the applications for cell therapy, developers are focusing on more complex approaches with additional edits and unique gene editing tools, which has further accelerated the shift in non viral cell engineering approaches. Furthermore, as highlighted in the Lyle and Vittoria partnerships, the field continues to advance complex non viral Cell engineered techniques in both autologous and allogeneic settings. MaxSight is well positioned to address these evolving market trends. The breadth of our SPL partnership funnel is the result of broad engagement with academic clinical translational centers and commercial customers. We have developed new SPL partnerships in both customer segments with Vittoria being the recent example of our work with University of Pennsylvania's GMP translational center. Speaker 200:06:05Victoria is working toward commercializing their proprietary cell therapy 3.0 technology, which was developed out of the University of Pennsylvania. Our partnership with Prime Medicine supports their Prime editing technology platform, which is a novel next generation gene editing tool targeting repair of almost all types of genetic mutations across the broad range of tissues, organs and cell types. Prime Medicine is another example of expanding applications in cell therapy, many of which the MaxA platform is at the forefront of enabling. Given the evolving operating environment, our SBL partners Often narrowing their focus to their lead assets, which they continue to progress through the clinic. The progression through the clinic of such programs and their positive clinical data readouts are critical events in the current funding environment and have led to capital raises in recent months. Speaker 200:07:02We are also seeing our existing partners Pursue new indications, including, for example, the expansion of CAR T applications to autoimmune diseases As cell therapy indications expand into autoimmune or solid tumors, for example, they also require multiple doses. This is where the performance and scalability of the MaxSight platform has a key competitive advantage. Based on our partners' decisions, we believe it's Clear that the MaxLite platform is the platform of choice for innovative cell therapy development. We look forward to the 1st commercial approval of a product enabled by our platform, Vertex and CRISPR's exocell program. Earlier this year, the ExoCell program announced the completion of a rolling BLA submission to the FDA for sickle cell disease and transfusion More recently at the European Hematology Conference, Vertex presented updated data from exocell showing pivotal trial data for the beta thalassemia and sickle cell disease that met primary and key secondary endpoints. Speaker 200:08:07The pivotal data was integral to the exocele receiving PDUFA dates for sickle cell and beta thalassemia of December 8, 2023 March 30, 2024 respectively. This application approval would be the 1st non viral engineered cell therapy product granted by the FDA and would further validate the utility of MagCyte's platform as the premier enabler of non viral engineered cell therapies. Our unique partnerships provide MaxSight with near, medium term and long term revenue potential where MaxSight has the opportunity Share the performance of partners programs as those programs reach commercialization. To provide more context on the scale of our commercial opportunity, We highlighted this potential on new Slide 15 in our corporate presentation. As you may be aware, we are approaching the 1st wave of partner commercial approvals, which include the potential launch in 2024 of exocell in sickle cell disease and beta thalassemia, followed shortly thereafter by a second commercial wave of 7 potential therapies with expected launch potential between 20252027. Speaker 200:09:21The 2nd wave of therapy spans across blood cancers, including lymphoma and leukemia, Solid tumor and genetic diseases. The 3rd commercial wave potentially includes 8 partnered therapies with a launch window between 2028 in 2,030. The commercial revenue opportunity for MagSight from the success of only a portion of these partner programs is substantial And our portfolio of commercial opportunities continues to grow in preclinical development as well with more than 20 preclinical programs currently being developed by our partners. Additionally, following the signing of 5 strategic partnerships to date this year, The total pre commercial milestone revenue potential has increased by about 30% or $500,000,000 $2,000,000,000 across 23 announced partnerships. In 2023, we focused on effectively fortifying our position The market with targeted investments to support our future growth driven by our customers and expanding SPL partner base. Speaker 200:10:28These investments include enhancing our process development capabilities and ongoing product and technology development to best serve the market. In addition, we continue to make investments in our applications lab, which will enhance our ability to support next generation cell therapy innovators that are pursuing complex cell therapies. We believe these are the right investments to ensure the long term success of MagSight and support the growth of the cell therapy sector. Our expert VLX large scale transfection system launch continues to be focused on working with early access customers to define the value proposition for applications. The potential of the VLX is across several applications such as Transient protein manufacturing and is currently focused on preclinical development and early stage clinical trials. Speaker 200:11:20The key capabilities of the VLX instrument enable customers to shorten development timeline and have broad compatibility, including workflow integration and flexibility. We look forward to further engagement with Early Access customers so we can provide the market with applications data A large scale transfection solution to address current bottlenecks in the bioprocessing market. In summary, our team members are working through an evolving and challenging operating environment this year, which will impact the timing of our customers' Development programs and capital investments. However, we are confident in our updated full year outlook and long term strategic goals. The substantial promise of the cell therapy industry over the long term remains intact. Speaker 200:12:06And importantly, we maintain a high degree of confidence and the value to our technology provides to the industry. We are excited by the potential of the SBL partnerships we signed in 2023 and the robust pipeline of additional opportunities. We are honored to support our partners and believe we remain the partner of choice for non viral cell engineering technology. With that, I will now turn the call over to D. J. Speaker 200:12:32To discuss our financial results. D. J? Speaker 300:12:37Thank you, Doug. Hello, everyone. Total revenue in the Q2 of 2023 was $9,000,000 compared to 9.6 1,000,000 in the Q2 of 2022, representing a 6% decline. In the 2nd quarter, We reported core revenue of $8,300,000 compared to $9,600,000 in the comparable prior year quarter, representing a 14% decline. This includes revenue from cell therapy customers of $6,600,000 and revenue from drug discovery customers of $1,700,000 which both declined 14% year over year. Speaker 300:13:12The decline in revenues was the result of the challenging operating environment oftentimes leading to prioritization of pipeline assets for R and D, causing elongated purchasing cycles from customers in instruments and PAs. Recall that in the first half of last year, the core business at MacSight benefited from some pent up purchasing demand as customers returned to lab work following COVID In addition to strong revenue growth from a later stage SPL partner approaching commercialization, We recognized $800,000 of SPL program related revenue in the Q2 of 2023 As our partners continue their progress through the clinic compared to no material SPL program related revenue in the Q2 of 2022. To provide more color on the core business, instrument and PA sales were down 24% for the first half of twenty twenty three compared to the comparable prior year period. As previously discussed, within the challenging funding environment, we are seeing increased cautiousness in capital investments from our customers resulting in extended purchasing cycles for instruments and PAs. The lower PA utilization seen in the first half of twenty twenty three was primarily impacted by deprioritized research and development programs at earlier stage customers and lower PA demand from a later stage program that has progressed to the regulatory filing stage. Speaker 300:14:42Excluding this particular partner, the PA utilization of our platform by clinical SPL Partners remains a bright spot and grew year over year. Revenues from leased instruments also remained stable with a growth of 2% for the first half of twenty twenty three compared to the prior year period, driven primarily by our SPL partners. Moving down the P and L, gross margin was 85% in the Q2 of 2023 compared to 88% in the second quarter of the prior year. Margins were negatively influenced by the ramp up of in house manufacturing and related production costs. Total operating expenses for the Q2 of 2023 were $20,700,000 compared to $17,200,000 in the Q2 of 2022. Speaker 300:15:31The overall increase in operating expenses was primarily driven by increases in R and D, sales and marketing, headcount and to a lesser extent, legal and strategic consulting expenses. The company continues to invest in commercial sales and marketing operations, Innovative product development, field application scientists, automated manufacturing capabilities as well as business and corporate development to drive long term We finished the 2nd quarter with combined total cash, cash equivalents and short term investments of $216,000,000 and of course, No doubt. Moving to our full year 2023 guidance, we are updating our outlook and now expect core revenue for 2023 to be comparable to 2022. And SPL program related revenue expectations remain unchanged from our previous guidance at approximately $6,000,000 for the year. Our updated guidance incorporates cautiousness around the challenging macro environment and the timing of purchasing patterns from our customers and partners. Speaker 300:16:35As we have discussed previously, the timing of partnership revenue is predicated on our customers' clinical and regulatory progress, and therefore, is fundamentally more difficult to predict than core revenues. And finally, I want to note our strong financial position as we still expect to end this year with approximately $200,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments and no debt. Our cash position is a strategic asset for the company as we are funded well into future profitability, allowing us to focus on realizing the long term potential of our business model. Let me close by saying that overall, we are confident in our updated 2023 revenue outlook, and we believe that our modest cash burn and debt free balance sheet will support our future plans for profitable growth. Now I'll turn the call back over to Doug. Speaker 200:17:28Thank you, TJ. In summary, we are excited about our partnership progress during the first half and are increasingly optimistic about the long term outlook for MacSight and the depth of our partnership pipeline. We are committed to strengthening our opportunity to lead the industry as a premier cell engineering platform technology, supporting the development of advanced cell based therapeutics for patients who may not otherwise have treatment options. As always, we thank our MaxA team as well as our board, suppliers, investors, partners, patience and the amazing industry that we have the honor of serving. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator for the Q and A. Speaker 200:18:10Operator? Operator00:18:13Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Julie Simmons Speaker 400:18:47Thank you very much. A couple of questions, please. Firstly, just about the sort of slightly lighter Cell therapy revenues coming through. Is I was just wondering how much of that is to do with Customers delaying because of sort of financial reasons or do you think there's anything to do with the delays coming through for potentially looking at alternative methods of non viral manufacturers that they could be looking at. Is there any competitive angle to it? Speaker 400:19:16Is that causing any sort of pricing issues That could also be Speaker 300:19:20causing this slowdown. Speaker 200:19:23Hey, Julien, it's Doug. No, we're not seeing Any major competitive issues, there's always some people coming in and out. We have Thermo Fisher in Doing their Xenon, we've had Lonza with their products. So I think it comes in and out. I think when we look at all the data, we look at all the sales reports, it's really based on The belt tightening of the early stage companies, product developers, that's where we're seeing The shortfall, we're still seeing significant strength in the SPL part of our business, but it's these companies that really aren't very well funded. Speaker 200:20:06They're Typically, either just recently received Series A or Series B funding. And it's as you can imagine, it's pretty tough out there and they're all tightening their belts. Speaker 400:20:17Cool. I'm glad there's nothing coming through that's sort of interfering with your lead to the market. And just wondering in terms of Timing versus Q3, Q4, probably one for DJ this one. Normally, there's been a sort of big A boost as far as Q4 is concerned and because companies get towards the end of the year, they're making decisions on these things. Are you looking for a similar sort of profile this year? Speaker 400:20:41Or do you think it's going to be more measured throughout given the first half of last year was so strong? Speaker 300:20:48Thank you, Julie. We're expecting certainly a heavier Q4 and that's based really on looking at the book of business and specific opportunities when we I think that purchases are going to occur. So we do not provide quarterly guidance, as you know, but I would definitely be thinking to wait slightly heavier Operator00:21:20Thank you. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Arias of Stifel. Good afternoon, guys. Operator00:21:36Excuse me. Thanks for Speaker 500:21:37the questions. Doug, one of the details or nuances that seemingly emerge as a part of this belt tightening that you're referring to. It's just been this observation that some companies are pulling back indefinitely and some are just sort of Delaying purchases or extending purchase timelines, can you just talk about what you're seeing from your seat when it comes to The product prioritization that you're talking about? And then the follow-up question for DJ would be sort of along the lines of the last one, which is Looking at the back half of the year, can you just talk about that confidence that you expressed on the revised outlook, Flat for the year, but you're down mid teens so far. So maybe a comment on the extent that the order book is informing The back half view and the visibility that you might have to stepping up to a higher growth number? Speaker 500:22:30Thanks a bunch. Speaker 200:22:32Thanks, Dan. Nice to hear your voice. So a couple of things. One is, when we we're talking obviously, The softness really is in those companies that are not our partners at this point. They're typically, as you know, really early kind of early stage preclinical partners. Speaker 200:22:53We're seeing them pulling back pretty substantially across the board In rationalizing their product portfolio, we've had some of these companies raising Series A and Series B. You've seen their pipeline Charts, they have been dramatically cut over the last, I want to say, 6 to 12 months. Unfortunately, we're seeing layoffs in the field And we're seeing restructuring. We're seeing folks basically abandon certain programs even if they're in late stage preclinical. We're also seeing most recently announcements by companies that they're taking their assets that looked like we're going to have to invest Quite considerably the move through to Pivotal and they're talking about trying to partner those off to Either big companies or other ways of gaining revenue gaining capital for those. Speaker 200:23:48So it's across the board. I don't think we're seeing anything in particular. I think you've covered the Waterfront pretty well. It's all those different things. Speaker 300:23:58In terms of looking at the back half of the year here in revenue, I think we've got good line of sight into how our revenue model gets put together. I think we've already factored in All these headwinds that Doug just mentioned, we've looked at particular pieces of the business and opportunities and we've reflected that in terms of Moving those out of our projections for 2024. So I understand that the first half was down and we need a very reasonable second half to get back to level for in terms of a year over year comparison, but we are reasonably confident in our forecast here with an emphasis on Q4. I think we're working hard to make sure we have a reasonable Q3, but I think looking at the back end of the year, I'd say Q4 is where we're going to make the most Of the deficit up in terms of reaching a comparable level of core revenue for the year versus 2022. And Dan, let me add Speaker 200:24:53to what DJ is saying. I think we're also seeing on the commercial side a significant increase in the amount of activity Going on in the marketplace in the first half of this year, which we really hadn't seen until recently. People back in business, they want to go to meetings, They're attending meetings. We're getting really good attendance at trade shows, booth traffic and a lot of leads coming in. I think also we've made, as you No. Speaker 200:25:19Some investments in sales and marketing over the last, let's say, 6 to 12 months, new salespeople coming into the organization, Finding their way and building their book of business. So I want to add that to the confidence that DJ said as well as the activity we're seeing in the commercial marketplace. Okay. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Operator00:25:47Our next question comes from the line of Jacob Johnson of Stephens. Speaker 600:25:55Hey, thanks. Good afternoon. Maybe a question on The recent SPL additions, looking at some of these companies, they have some decent cash balance, they seem to have I'm just curious, is this something you're being more selective about on your end or do these just happen to be the opportunities Speaker 200:26:22Yes. I think what we're finding is that We're spending a lot more time with folks who have more advanced programs. Obviously, we as our Head of Commercial Operations We do a wallet check before we get too far down the path of some of these negotiations. So I think it's a combination, but I also want to just recognize that Some of these deals we did this year are really kind of pushing the envelope in terms of the whole field of engineered cell therapies. And obviously, the last one with Prime It's an example of us being at the forefront of this whole area. Speaker 200:26:58So maybe that comes with More capital for these companies as we're moving into new more novel ways of treating and potentially curing some of these diseases. Speaker 600:27:13Okay. Thanks for that, Doug. And maybe one for you, DJ, just on kind of OpEx And managing expenses in this environment, obviously kind of a lighter revenue outlook than the start of the year. Are you all trying to manage OpEx a little bit more in this environment like your customers are? Speaker 300:27:38100%. We have although we're moderating our revenue guidance, we're still maintaining a goal here Ending the year with $200,000,000 in cash and equivalents and short term investments. So we are mindful of operating expenses. They did grow year over year for the Q2, but I think that growth is slowing and we're going to continue to work hard to make sure that We treat the cash that we have as a strategic asset and we're going to protect that by being mindful of our spending. At the same time, we still Really believe in the long term viability of this industry that we're supporting and our business model. Speaker 300:28:17And so Perhaps, we'll be mindful on the G and A side, but in terms of investing in R and D and in sales and marketing, I think those are items that we need to And you invest in because again, we want to fully take advantage of the opportunity in front of us. Speaker 600:28:35Got it. Makes sense. Thanks for taking the questions. Operator00:28:43Our next question comes from the line of Matt Larew of William Blair. Speaker 700:28:51Hi. This is Ashley Madelyn Mollman on for Matt. I just wanted to ask about gross margin. I know it's just down a little bit this year year over year and you said some of that was from increased Costs from moving into the new facility and things like that. I'm just wondering how much of the gross margin is tied to the lower revenue volume Versus how much is tied to ramping up in the new facility and additional costs? Speaker 300:29:18The absolute bulk of that relates to A decline in PA margins related to ramping up manufacturing in the facility. Speaker 700:29:28Great. Thank you. And then how do you anticipate that to the cadence of gross margin over the back half of the year? Speaker 300:29:36I think gross margin is going to be heavily dependent obviously on product mix. We also are anxiously awaiting some additional Milestone revenue, which comes at no additional cost to us. So I think the overall gross margin is to be heavily influenced by the achievement of those milestones. In terms of operating margins on the PAs, we'd expect those to Get higher over time as we sort of work through getting the facility up and running, which we're investing in automation and things like that. Operator00:30:19Our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro of BTIG. Speaker 800:30:27Hey, guys. This is Vivien on for Mark. Thanks for taking the questions. So at STLs, You've already beat the high end of your outlook of signing 3 to 4 per year there. So I guess looking beyond the core revenue guide, is Is there any impact to your SPL visibility or funnel? Speaker 800:30:44I think you've talked about the dynamic in the past that factoring in the new additions during the quarter? Thanks. Speaker 200:31:08Could you repeat part of the question? I mean, I didn't so on the SPL revenues, you're asking Which of the SPOs we signed, which of those relationships are around lead asset? Is that the question? There are a lot of questions. Speaker 800:31:25Yes. Just more broadly, I was just asking if there's any impact. Obviously, the guide down was core revenue, but you're still feeling good about STL and the cadence of signing 3 to 4 per year in the coming years. Speaker 200:31:41Yes, absolutely. And we also let's see, we talked about Well, no, we'll talk about that later, I guess. So yes, no, I think that the majority of these programs are their lead asset that they're working with And these are top companies, so we're quite excited about the prospect and the prospects for this year and next year. Speaker 800:32:08Okay, perfect. And then I guess, I know it's difficult to Kind of quantify the contribution from your first partnered approval, but obviously a key topic, Keep upcoming event here. But as we get closer to year end, if we were to maybe model a mid single digit milestone payment And thinking about a low to mid single digit royalty rate in out years, would we be in the right ballpark there? Speaker 200:32:41So we've always said low to mid single digits would be the percentage of the top line of the partner. So when you model that, I think that would be the more appropriate number low to mid for the total and that would include royalties, Instrument leases and single use disposable revenue. Speaker 800:33:04Okay, perfect. Thank you for taking the question. Speaker 200:33:07Thank you. Operator00:33:12Thank you. Our next question comes from the line So just some follow-up questions. Speaker 900:33:37So a follow-up question on the guide. Given that the SPL revenue was maintained at $6,000,000 what gives you guys some confidence on that given the macro softness and longer sales Tycho, you guys Speaker 300:33:54have mentioned. Steve, the question is how confident we are in the $6,000,000 Guide that we're maintaining for the milestone? Speaker 900:34:05Yes, that's right. Speaker 300:34:07I mean, we're very confident in that number. So we've modeled out and risk adjusted that and come up with a few scenarios. We feel pretty good about that, but you can imagine that there is a particular approval that we have our eyes on and that would heavily influence Achievement of that or not. Speaker 200:34:24And I think also, if I can add to that, these companies that we're working with, the SPL partners, generally, they're all pretty well financed. And again, we're working with their 1st or second asset, which is where they're prioritizing their investment right now. So we're not seeing them backing off on us. Speaker 900:34:44Okay, great. And then a follow-up question on the gross margins on the PAs that were impacted based on the In house manufacturing, I'm assuming that's due to scale that you're just amortizing the fixed costs over a smaller number of products. If that's the case, when should we start to see the gross margin impact on that in house manufacturing normalizing? Thank you. Speaker 300:35:10Again, I don't think we have a timetable. I think it is influenced by volume and I think we'd expect that number to trail up. We can't give you specifics on the way we'd sort of cross back into historical margins. I think bringing the manufacturing in house of Some of these PAs did it for a lot of reasons and some of which is related to cost, but a lot of it's related to other items such as they're controlling our own destiny And being able to support our partners in particular. Operator00:35:48Thank you. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Doug Doerfler for closing remarks. Sir? Speaker 200:35:56Okay. Well, thank you all for participating and thank you, operator, and thanks everyone for joining our earnings call today and we look forward to providing an update on the Q3 later this year. Thank you very much. Operator00:36:09This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by