Byline Bancorp Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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January 26, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Byline Bancorp Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Carla, and I will be your conference operator today. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. Please note the conference call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to introduce Brooks Rennie, Head of Investor Relations for Byline Bancorp to begin the conference call.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Carla. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for the Byline Bancorp 4th quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. In accordance with Regulation FD, this call is being recorded and is available via webcast on our Investor Relations website along with our earnings release and the corresponding presentation slides. During the course of the call today, management may make certain statements that constitute projections or other forward looking statements regarding future events for the future financial performance of the company. We caution that such statements are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed.

Speaker 1

The company's risk factors are disclosed and discussed in its SEC filings. In addition, our remarks may reference non GAAP measures, which are intended to supplement, but not substitute for, the most directly comparable GAAP measures. Reconciliation for these numbers can be found within the appendix of the earnings release. For additional information about risks and uncertainties, please see the forward looking statement and non GAAP financial measures disclosure in the earnings release. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Alvaro Parashini, President of BioLine Bancorp.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Brooks. Happy New Year and thank you all for joining us this morning to review our Q4 and full year 2023 results. As always, joining me this morning are Chairman and CEO, Roberto Huerincia Tom Bau, our CFO and Treasurer and Mark Fusenato, our Chief Credit Officer. Before we get into the results for the quarter, I want to pass the call on to Roberto to comment on a few items. Roberto?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Alberto. Good morning and best wishes for a healthy and happy New Year to all. I start my remarks by acknowledging Byline shareholder and friend, Dan Goodwin, who passed away in Chicago last weekend. Dan's story as a human being and business leader is simply remarkable. I met Dan almost 14 years ago and most recently interacted with him prior and after the merger between BioLine and Inland Bank.

Speaker 3

It was important to him that we refer to our coming together as a merger, not an acquisition. That alone tells you much about him and his value system. He was pleased with how we negotiated the key points of the merger and he was happy to have become a shareholder of Filan. I think he was happiest when he learned we had selected Pam Stewart has his representative on our board. And if you've met Pam, you would know why that is the case.

Speaker 3

Our sympathy and heartfelt prayers go to his wife and family as well as his extended Inland Bank and Real Estate Group family. We have lost the Chicago Titan, no doubt. Importantly, We have gained so much more for his actions and legacy. A few seconds of silence to honor his memory Thank you. Dan would have been as pleased as I am with the results for the quarter and the full year.

Speaker 3

2023 was a breakout year for BioLine. Our performance, which Alberto and Tom will cover shortly, was excellent and several important profitability metrics Now rank in the top quartile of our peer group. Results and budgets for most banks in 2023 were derailed by the March April events with earnings deviating materially from plans and boards and management teams grasping for ways to justify weaker results on a relative basis. We are proud not to be part of that group and to be able to have delivered within estimates and plan. It took hard work.

Speaker 3

We believe the Chicago banking market will continue to be disrupted by events ranging from smaller banks getting weaker, mergers between larger banks with headquarters and decision making moving outside of state as well as management changes and turnover. That disruption fuels our organic growth And our strategy simply put being home to the best commercial banking talent continues to shine under those conditions. This is easier said than done. When done well, however, from having the right credit and risk processes, Using the right technology, focus on key people practices and nurturing the team that can finish each other's sentences, The strategy is hard to replicate. We are optimistic about the future and the value our franchise can deliver to our shareholders.

Speaker 3

With that said, Alberto, back to you.

Speaker 2

Excellent. Thank you, Roberto. Per our practice, I will start by walking you through the highlights for the full year quarter. I will then pass the call over to Tom who will provide you with more detail on our results. Following that, I'll come back to wrap up with some closing remarks before opening the call up for questions.

Speaker 2

Moving on to Slide 3 of the deck and to start, Before I turn to the highlights, I would first like to thank our employees for their hard work and contributions this past year. 2023 was another solid year for the Company. We navigated through a challenging rate environment, The market disruption stemming from the failure of several institutions earlier in the year and an economy that continued to surprise to the up in terms of growth. Against that backdrop, our diversified business model and continued focus on executing our strategy served us well. In addition, we successfully closed the $1,200,000,000 merger with Inland, converted systems and fully integrated the operation into Byline within the calendar year.

Speaker 2

All in all, 2023 was certainly a busy year. For the year, net income was $108,000,000 or $2.67 per diluted share on revenue of just under $387,000,000 Adjusted for the effects of the merger, our return and profitability metrics were very strong with pre tax preparation ROA of 2 35 basis points, ROA of 145 basis points and ROTCE of just under 18%. Year on year loan growth, inclusive of inland, was strong at 23% And better yet, all the growth was funded by deposits, which grew 26%. Our efficiency ratio improved by over 2 percentage points to 52.6% and 5 percentage points to under 50% on an adjusted basis. Lastly, capital remains strong with TCE ending the year at 9%, CET1 at 10.35% and total capital at 13.4%.

Speaker 2

All of these ratios reflect increases on a year over year basis, notwithstanding the impact of the inland transaction in the Q3. Turning to Slide 4. Results were also strong for the quarter with net income of $29,600,000 or $0.68 per diluted share On revenue of $101,000,000 adjusted for merger related charges, net income was $31,800,000.73 per diluted share. Profitability and return metrics were also solid with record adjusted Pre tax preparation income of $50,200,000 pre tax preparation ROA of 2 27 basis points ROA of 144 basis points and ROTCE at 18%. Revenue was slightly down from the previous quarter but up 20% year on year.

Speaker 2

The revenue decline was driven by lower net interest due to a lower margin as expected offset by higher non interest income stemming from higher servicing income. From a balance sheet standpoint, we saw continued growth in both loans and deposits during the quarter. Loans increased by $81,700,000 or 5% late quarter annualized and stood at $6,700,000,000 as of quarter end. Net of loan sales origination activity moderated from the previous two quarters but remained healthy at $241,000,000 with the increase coming primarily from our C and I and leasing businesses. Payoff activity increased as anticipated and line utilization remained stable at around 55%.

Speaker 2

Our Garmin Guaranteed Lending business continued to originate at a healthy level with $135,000,000 in closed loans, which as expected was higher than the previous quarter. Moving on to the liability side. Deposits grew by $223,000,000 or 12.8 percent annualized and stood at $7,200,000,000 as of quarterend. Non interest bearing deposits account for 27% of our deposit base and overall deposit cost increases are starting to moderate. Tom will certainly provide you with additional color on the margin and our outlook given the market expectations for lower rates this year.

Speaker 2

Expenses remain a focus and were well managed for the quarter coming in at $53,600,000 More broadly, were able to drive down our efficiency ratio and bring our adjusted cost to asset ratio to 228 basis points. This represents a decline of 7 basis points linked quarter and importantly, 43 basis points on a year on year basis. Turning to asset quality. Provision expense came in at $7,200,000 lower than the prior quarter. Charge offs were elevated at $12,200,000 compared to last quarter, reflecting charge offs taken against loans with previously established reserves as they near resolution and a charge on a purchase credit deteriorated loan subject to a credit mark.

Speaker 2

The allowance for credit losses stood at 152 basis points. NPLs increased 17 basis points to 96 basis points. We added additional detail to the NPL chart on Page 11 of the deck so you can distinguish between the and non PCD trends in NPLs. Lastly, front end delinquencies remain flat, notwithstanding the impact of a mortgage servicing transfer completed at the end of the year. We also added additional disclosure on risk ratings, numbers of loans and a balanced stratification for our office portfolio.

Speaker 2

You can find that on Page 17 of the deck in the appendix. We did not repurchase any shares during the quarter. However, our Board approved a new stock repurchase program that authorizes the company to purchase up to 1,250,000 shares of the company's outstanding common stock. The program is an important component of our overall capital management strategy, which includes investments in the business, M and A, share repurchases as well as our regular quarterly dividend. With that, I'd like to turn over the call to Tom who will provide you with more detail on our results.

Speaker 2

Tom?

Speaker 4

Thank you, Alberto, and good morning, everyone. Starting with our loan and lease portfolio on Slide 5. Total loans and leases were $6,700,000,000 on December 31. The increase was across all lending categories with the strongest growth coming from our commercial and leasing teams. Average loan balances increased linked quarter and were higher by 23% on a year over year basis, driven by organic growth and the inland merger.

Speaker 4

We expect loan growth over the course of 2024 to be in the low mid single digits. Turning to Slide 6. Our government guaranteed lending business finished the quarter with $135,000,000 in closed loan commitments, which is up percent 12% on a linked quarter and a year over year basis. At December 31, the on balance sheet SBA 7 exposure was relatively unchanged $453,000,000 Our allowance for credit losses as a percentage of the unguaranteed loan balances was 7.8% as of quarter end, lower as a result of loan upgrades, payoffs and charge offs related to fully reserved loans as Alberto mentioned. Turning to Slide 7.

Speaker 4

We continue to focus on deposit gathering. In the 4th quarter, total deposits increased to $7,200,000,000 up 13% annualized from the end of the prior quarter. We saw robust organic deposit growth of $223,000,000 in the quarter, which was net of a $69,000,000 reduction in brokered CDs. Average deposit balances increased quarter over quarter and were slightly higher by 24%. On a year over year basis, inclusive of inland transaction, excluding the transaction, deposit growth was a healthy 9 0.1% for the full year.

Speaker 4

Our deposit mix continues to moderate as expected with the decelerating pace linked quarter. DDAs as a percentage of total deposits was 27% compared to 28% from the prior quarter and we expect the shift in mix to continue to moderate and stabilized during 2024. On a cycle to date basis, deposit betas for total deposits was 45% and interest bearing deposits was 61%, driven in parts by the repricing of our CD portfolio. In 2023, The CD average maturity rate was 2.32%. For 2024, we expect that CD repricing will have less of an impact given the average rate of the maturing CD book of 4.67%.

Speaker 4

Turning to Slide 8, Net interest income was $86,300,000 for Q4, down 6.7% from the prior quarter. The decrease in NII was primarily due to higher interest expense on deposits and lower accretion income on acquired loans of $5,200,000 offset by loan growth. Our net interest margin remained strong at 4.08% on a reported basis, which was in line with our NII guidance. Accretion income on acquired loans contributed 24 basis points to the margin in the 4th quarter compared to 50 basis points for the prior quarter. Earning asset yields decreased 26 basis points linked quarter driven by lower accretion and an increase in fixed rate loans during the quarter.

Speaker 4

For 2023, net interest income was up $65,000,000 or 25 percent, which translates to the NIM increasing by 31 basis points year over year and ending the full year at a strong 4.31%. Looking forward, given the forward rate curve forecast, we continue to make steps to reduce our asset sensitivity as highlighted in the IRR section. Based on the factors previously discussed, our estimate for net interest income for Q1 is in the range of $83,000,000 to $85,000,000 Turning to Slide 9. Non interest income stood at $14,500,000 in the 4th quarter, up 17% linked quarter, primarily driven by a $2,400,000 improvement in our loan servicing asset valuation reflecting lower discount rates and a $1,200,000 gain in the change in fair value of equity securities. Sales of government guaranteed loans decreased $13,000,000 in Q4 compared to Q3.

Speaker 4

The net average premium was 8.5% for Q4, slightly higher than prior quarter, primarily due to more favorable market conditions and mix of loans sold. Our gain on sale income for Q1 is forecast to be in the $4,500,000 to $5,000,000 range in line with our historical trends of lower loan production in the Q1. Turning to Slide 10. Our non interest expense came in at $53,600,000 for the 4th quarter, down $4,300,000 from the prior quarter, primarily driven by merger related expenses taken in Q3. On an adjusted basis, our non interest expense stood at $50,600,000 $3,000,000 below our Q4 guidance of $53,000,000 to $55,000,000 We continue to manage our expenses tightly and prioritize investments that are more critical to achieving our strategic objectives.

Speaker 4

Looking forward, our non interest expense full year guidance is unchanged at $53,000,000 to $55,000,000 per quarter. Turning to Slide 11. The allowance for credit losses at the end of Q4 was up $101,700,000 down 4% from the prior end quarter. In Q4, we recorded a $7,000,000 provision for credit losses compared to a $9,000,000 in Q3. Net charge offs were $12,200,000 in the 4th quarter compared to $5,400,000 in the previous quarter.

Speaker 4

NPLs to total loans and leases increased to 96 basis points in Q4 from 79 basis points in Q3. NPA to total assets increased to 74 basis points in Q4 from 60 basis points in Q3. And total delinquencies were $36,100,000 on December 31, essentially flat in the quarter. Turning to Slide 12, which recaps our strong liquidity and securities portfolio. Our loan to deposit ratio decreased 182 basis points linked quarters to 93.4%.

Speaker 4

We are pleased with this progress and continue to work towards bringing down this ratio over time. Our available borrowing capacity grew to $2,300,000,000 and our uninsured deposit ratio stood at 26.7%, which remains below all peer bank averages. Notably, we have the highest insured deposits among the proxy peer group as a result of our very granular deposit base. Moving on to capital on Slide 13. Our capital levels at quarter end improved with our TCE ratio at 9.1% and our CET ratio at 10.35%.

Speaker 4

Both ratios improved nicely over the quarter. We grew capital by 29% on a year over year basis and our tangible book value per share increased nicely by 11% in 2023 to $17.98 driven by our positive earnings. Given our strong balance sheet, liquidity and capital position, we believe we are well positioned to grow the business and capitalize on market opportunities throughout 2024. With that, Alberto, back to you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Tom. Moving on to Slide 14, I'd like to wrap up today with comments about the outlook and our strategic priorities for 2024. We entered 2024 on Solid footing and with great momentum. In terms of our strategy and priorities, they don't change much and remain consistent from year to year. We believe we can grow our franchise and continue to create value for shareholders.

Speaker 2

We do this by growing and expanding customer relationships, pursuing disciplined loan growth, improving the efficiencies of the business to allow for continued reinvestment, maintain credit and capitalizing on market opportunities to both add talent and pursue M and A. Again, we believe we are well positioned to capitalize on opportunities to continue to grow the value of our franchise. And with that, operator, let's open the call up for questions. Thank

Operator

Your first question comes from Nathan Race of Piper Sandler.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi, everyone. Good morning. Everyone is doing well.

Speaker 6

Good morning, Nathan.

Speaker 2

Thanks for taking the

Speaker 5

question. I was hoping to just start off on the charge offs this quarter. Looking through the slide deck, it looked like an office commercial real estate property contributed some of those charge offs. So would be curious maybe to get some additional color from Mark in terms of the outlook for the Remaining portfolio and kind of what you're seeing in terms of potential maturities and how those maturities kind of stack up with cap rates going up and so forth and just overall asset quality outlook within that portfolio?

Speaker 7

We have a good handle on the office maturities Going out the next 2 years and we've been discussing it a lot right now what's coming up the 1st 2 quarters of the year. We're in very good shape. We're actually seeing some opportunities for some of these customers to refinance their office buildings, which is a little bit of a surprise to me. But we're in good shape overall on the office book in terms of a percentage of overall portfolio. So there are going to be situations where some of them are going to be criticized assets.

Speaker 7

But As you know, they're unique and we're going to approach them with a tailored kind of strategy with the customer to see what the outcomes are going to be of any credit issues that we see. On the charge offs, yes, we had a charge off on an office asset. Again, that's part of our strategy that we're using to resolve that particular asset and we're open to achieve those results here during the course 2024.

Speaker 5

Okay, very helpful. Thank you. Maybe changing gears, think about the NII outlook For this year, I apologize if you touched on it in your prepared remarks, Tom, and I didn't catch it. But just in terms of kind of the outlook for Kind of core NII ex accretion over the next couple of quarters assuming the Fed remains on pause and then we're getting a couple of rate hikes in the back of the year the back half of the year, how

Speaker 7

do you kind of see NII trending over the course of 2024?

Speaker 4

Good morning, Nate. In the prepared remarks, I basically we're using the forward curves as our estimate for interest rates and the market is 150 basis points in Fed fund reductions for the year. So given that, with I think the first, fees happening in March, We've given guidance of $83,000,000 to $85,000,000 for NII. And in the supplemental stuff, we have the accretion forecast in the back for your reference Just kind of split that out.

Speaker 5

Okay. So if we do get that Degree of rate cuts this year, it's fair to expect and I would contract, but if we just get maybe a couple in the back half of the year, It's fair to assume maybe a little bit of growth year over year?

Speaker 4

Yes, that could be possible, again, subject to what happens with the Fed and market expectations. On the net interest income page of the deck on Page 8, we provided some information on our interest rate risk sensitive. So you can see both in a ramp scenario and a static scenario what the give up in NII is to the bank's net interest income number. So we provided in a 100 basis point downward. It's about 3.3% in a ramp and it's 2.5% I'm sorry, that's 3.5% on a static and ramp is 2.5% decline and we provided you the quarterly cuts as well on an annualized basis.

Speaker 2

I think Nate to add to what Tom is saying there just more broadly. So I think if you look at kind of what the market has priced in, in terms of rate cuts for 2024. As you can see from the materials, we remain asset sensitive. Certainly, As Tom covered in the prepared remarks, we're seeing moderation in terms of deposit pricing as well as moderation in kind of mix changes. Rate declines certainly will help In that regard, that being said, we remain asset sensitive.

Speaker 2

So, rate declines are going to impact The asset side negatively in the sense that you're going to be repricing assets and that's going to have an impact. That's going to be faster than the reprice and liabilities. That being said, that assumes Kind of the market view in terms of interest rates to the degree that rates move lower or come earlier in the year faster that obviously impacts the margin negatively to the degree that they're slower, It impacts the margin positively. But all in all, we still feel pretty good about our ability to grow assets and continue to expand net interest income.

Speaker 5

Got it. And just within that kind of outlook, If the Fed remains on pause for the first half of this year and just kind of think about the cadence and loan yields from here, I imagine you guys are putting New loans on the portfolio above kind of the rate that we saw or the yield that we saw in the Q4. And would just also be curious to hear in terms of Those 48% of loans that are fixed, what amount of maturities do you have over the next 12 months that could reprice higher?

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, you have to remember if you're doing fixed rate loans, the market's already kind of priced in the Fed easing. We price for market takers, so to speak. So we price to a spread to the curves. And So in some cases, right, the punitive thing to net interest income right now is fixed rate loans because you tend to lose spread on a marginal cost basis like if you were going to the home loan bank. So I think that You have to be mindful of that whether you do balance sheet hedges or other things to protect the earnings, you're technically layering on some fixed rate loans that They're in the 7.5% range that maybe on a floating rate basis would be higher just given the spread on sulfur.

Speaker 5

Got you. If I could just ask one last one on just kind of the outlook for deposit growth. It looked like you had some nice Core deposit generation in the Q4, is the expectation that core deposit growth will largely follow that kind of low to mid single digit outlook for loans in this year?

Speaker 2

I don't know that we've ever given guidance in terms of deposits, Nate. But As you've been covering us for a long time and I think you know how important we feel deposits are and the ability for us to continue to grow deposits. And I think the plans are to continue to do that. Obviously, That's subject to client preferences. That's subject to doing the right thing for customers.

Speaker 2

And obviously our competitors who are trying to do the same thing. But I think broadly I would say, look, we continue to want to have strategies in place to continue to grow deposits. I think this quarter, as Tom mentioned, we saw a nice decline on our loan to deposit ratio, we want to continue to drive that over time. We're operating We were if you recall, we were operating closer to 95%. We gave guidance that said that we wanted to bring that ratio down over time and we are very much wanting to continue to do that.

Speaker 2

So I think you should Think in the context of continuing to see that ratio come down closer to 90%, even below 90% over time.

Speaker 5

Got you. And was there any seasonality in the core deposit growth in the Q4? Or was it more just kind of blocking and tackling and Ongoing market share gains?

Speaker 4

Blocking and tackling. Yes.

Speaker 2

I think the latter, as you know, we tend to see seasonality. We have obviously a commercial focus in our business inclusive in the liability side. So you have tax payments, you have all those things that tend to happen right around the quarter. So we'll see some seasonality there. But that was not the case at the end of the year.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. I appreciate all the color. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you, Nate.

Operator

Your next question comes from Terry

Speaker 8

Hi. Just maybe start with a question on expenses. If you grow organically, let's say 10% a year, you're going to cross $10,000,000,000 in less than 2 years. So I guess my question is how much of the incremental expenses from crossing $10,000,000,000 are in that current run rate of what $53,000,000 to $55,000,000 And Should I be worried about a step up in 2025?

Speaker 2

I think Let me answer the question maybe in 2 ways. First off is, Terry, we've always kind of run the business on the expectation that we want the company to be able to from a risk management, from a kind of reporting, from a control perspective, not get behind to the growth of the business. And what I mean by that is Over time, we've always consistently invested to make sure that we have the requisite level of controls, the requisite level of investment to keep in conjunction to the growth of the business. So to answer your question, just by the mere fact that at some point we will cross that $10,000,000,000 mark doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to see step function of an increase in expenses that would be, call it, very significant. That being said, Along with growth in assets, along with growth in revenues and the growth in expenses that would correspond with that, I think you can anticipate expenses to increase to continue for us to continue to make sure that we're making the right investments to meet the higher expectations that come with crossing that $10,000,000,000 mark.

Speaker 2

So proportionately, I think we want to continue to operate along the lines of what we've mentioned during our calls. We have always been Keeping an eye on expenses, maintaining discipline around expenses. As you saw this quarter, we saw a nice decline on the cost to asset ratio. We took that to on an adjusted basis to 228 basis points. That's a material decrease from where we were operating last year.

Speaker 2

So We want to make sure that we continue to proportionately gain scale irrespective of if we cross the $10,000,000,000 mark or not. So hopefully that gives you some color in terms of how we think about that.

Speaker 8

Yes. Thanks for the color there. Helpful. And then just kind of getting out of the earnings model, what's it going to take to get utilization rates back to pre COVID levels, which kind of what 62%, 63% and if we get back there, what does that mean to non interest bearing deposit balances? And Is it that case where you got to watch what you wish for?

Speaker 2

So that's a Really good question. The short answer is, Terry, we really don't have a we really don't know. You would have expected that you would have seen utilization revert back by now Post COVID, I think there's a couple of things that are probably coming into play. We're a larger bank now. We're a little different than we were right before COVID.

Speaker 2

So maybe the mix that we have today is slightly different, which could be impacting kind of overall line utilization or call it the line utilization percentage that we report. The second piece is, I'm a little skeptical of mean reversion going back to call it kind of 2019 levels From the fact that given the discrepancy from borrowers with much higher interest rates today. If you were sitting on cash and you had the flexibility, you would probably just pay down the line or you would frankly move the money to a higher yielding alternative. We've seen some of it, but we haven't seen that in mass in our book. So I guess what you're hearing is we're probably a little skeptical of that utilization rate fully mean reverting back to what it was in 2019.

Operator

Our next question is from David Long from Raymond James. David, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Good morning, David.

Speaker 9

I wanted to follow-up on the deposit discussion. And As you look out for the rest of the year, if we do get some rate cuts, what do you expect out of the deposit beta on the downside at this point?

Speaker 4

That's a good question. I think, again, Subject to the Fed, short term rates are certainly higher today. We're actually inverted right on overnight to 1 year, which we were flat before. So we're already seeing some benefits to repricing some of our, I'll call it, book of CDs that are on the shorter end of the curve. But we have our CD book is about 8.5 months.

Speaker 4

So it's relatively short and we've been positioning the bank to try and adjust, beta is down. Obviously, the CD book will reprice more on an 80 9 85% to 90% reduction. And then the core accounts will continue to operate as we have in our model of in that, call it, Again, some of our products, the rack rates haven't really moved, so you can't really lower those rates. But your high yield money market accounts, certainly, we expect the betas to be pretty substantial on the way down.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thank you, Tom. And then David, just to

Speaker 2

add Two things to what Tom said. I think in Tom's remarks earlier, when you think about that CD book, the average rate on the maturities that we're seeing for 2024 was like 4.67%, I think. So just keep that in mind relative to kind of as Tom said, if the duration of that portfolio is 8.5 months And you have a rate at 4.67. You kind of can see where market rates are. So that gives you a sense In terms of kind of what the reprice would be, all else being equal, if you have declines in rates, Obviously, that's going to come into play, obviously subject to competitive dynamics in the market and so forth.

Speaker 2

But I think to Tom's comments and the comments earlier in the call, I think the Deposit pricing is starting to moderate. I think it will be rate dependent. If we get rates declining faster, obviously, That's going to impact that more in a quicker fashion. If rates lag for a little bit, that's going to be slower. But on that end, to the degree that it's slower than what the market repricing, given our interest rate positioning at this point, That's probably to our benefit as opposed to our detriment.

Speaker 2

So just keep that in mind.

Speaker 4

The only other thing I would add to David is, this quarter, right, we had a significant reduction in our FHLB borrowings And we had a brokered CD mature. So that's $384,000,000 of wholesale type pricing. And That which then ultimately gave us less cash at the Fed, so to speak. So liquidity is still really strong, even improving. So That's going to help just the NII numbers as well.

Speaker 9

Got it. Okay, cool. Thanks. And then wanted to talk M and A just for a second here. The inland deal seems to have gone pretty well, integration mostly done with that.

Speaker 9

First question is, are you seeing a pickup in discussions or serious discussions? And then secondly, What is Byline's appetite to do something else at this point?

Speaker 2

I think let me take the latter question first. I think our appetite is Hi. I think we are certainly open to entertaining M and A. To the prior question, to the first part of the question, in terms of kind of what's the environment for M and A, I think look, I think it's clearly with the rally in rates towards the end of the year, I think a lot of the friction that was causing M and A to be very difficult for a lot of institutions, meaning The impact of AOCI, the impact on interest rate marks on portfolios, that's gotten better. It's not to say that we've reverted back to where it was maybe 18 months ago, but it's certainly gotten better, which I think given the recent announcements that you've seen, I think it's indicative of the fact that M and A and the M and A math, So to speak, it's getting a little bit easier for people.

Speaker 2

So as far as we're concerned, look, we remain we have our kind of our framework for evaluating M and A. We continue to think that there's going to be we think we are a terrific partner for institutions that are looking for A long term partner and we're hopeful that there will be some activity in 2024.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you guys for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Damon DelMonte from KBW.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning, everyone. Most of my questions have been asked and answered, but just a couple of little ones here. Regarding the outlook for expenses here in the Q1, I think the guide was $53,000,000 to $55,000,000 Tom, can you just kind of help walk us From kind of like the operating number of sub-fifty 1 up to that level, is it coming through salaries and benefits or is it data processing? Just kind of looking for some guidance there. Yes.

Speaker 6

Some Just kind of looking for some guidance there.

Speaker 4

Some of it is definitely salaries and benefits. We've had some delays and some hires that we're still Looking to seek out as well as some new teams to bring into the organization from a business perspective. The real estate numbers that came in were a little bit lower than what we originally accrued for and so that won't materialize in 2024. We're trying to give full year guidance there. I think we would expect to be a little bit on the lower side on the guidance side of 53%, maybe for Q1, but absent that, we think just given the spends that we want to make to invest in the business and bring on teams, we're going to have increase cost to do that.

Speaker 3

Got it. Okay. All right.

Speaker 6

That's helpful. Thank you. And then as we think about The provision expense going forward and kind of like a normalized net charge off level, I think you had like 38 basis points Last quarter and that's on the rise from the last 2 years, understandably. But do you think that High 30s, 40 basis point level is reasonable going forward?

Speaker 2

I think we've always said, Damon, Somewhere in the kind of the 30 to 40 basis point range historically, and I still think we're comfortable with that. Keep in mind a couple of things that maybe are a little different today than historically. We added some additional disclosure for PCD loans, I mean those are loans that over time you can expect us to try to move those out of the bank relatively quickly. We'll add to the degree that we take charges related to those. As you know, those are obviously subject to a credit mark.

Speaker 2

So we'll disclose and give you color around that. But back to the first part of your question in terms of kind of Like the underlying rate, I still think that 30 basis points to 40 basis points is reasonable.

Speaker 10

Got

Speaker 6

it. Okay. And then just lastly, looking at the deposit base, do you have any deposits that are tied specifically To index rate, so that if and when the Fed does cut rates, you'll get some relief in that portion of the portfolio?

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, we have some of the deposits we have that are like brokered money market accounts, they're tied to Fed funds and they're on for our balance sheet hedge purposes. So we'll see an immediate benefit from that. And then there's a few clients that are more in the public entity space where we were tied more to an index there. So we'll get definite relief immediately 100%.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. That's all that I had. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks. You're welcome. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Brian Martin from Janney Montgomery Scott.

Speaker 10

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 6

Hey, Brian. Hey, Brian.

Speaker 10

Hey, just a follow-up, Tom. I was going to ask you to Damon's question. Can you walk through what On a rate cut, what re prices on the asset side in immediate or lag? And then on the deposit side, if you can just quantify some of that. Can you give some color on what moves immediately versus it being a lag and just how much of it?

Speaker 4

Well, again, I would point you to Slide 8 where we have our interest rate risk profile. We give you the scenarios of how we've reduced our asset sensitivity on a year over year basis and then what happens in a static 100 basis point decline and a ramp decline of 100 basis points and That would include our assumptions around repricing in both assets and liabilities. So we are asset sensitive and We have in a static 100 basis points, it's $3,000,000 per 25 basis points. So That would be the earnings. That would be the NII give up.

Speaker 4

On an annualized basis. On an annualized basis. So again, subject to the timing, It's challenging because if the Fed as you know, if the Fed eases in March, well, the SBA book gets repriced immediately in April. And if they ease in May, then that actually takes place in July. So timing matters both on the asset side and the liability side.

Speaker 4

And Based on our the forward curves, which we're using for our rate forecast, the expectation is the numbers I quoted you on the NII basis. Okay. But the book is

Speaker 10

And how much of the loan book is variable? Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4

No, it's under 50%. We have 48% in fixed rate and The combination of prime and sulfur are the other parts. So it's kind of fifty-fifty ish. But again, you have investment portfolio that's straight as well. So it's a little bit skewed sixty-forty.

Speaker 2

Yes. And if you even when you think about and I think, Brian, I think this is an important point. So even when you think about the fixed rate component, which let's say it's roughly around 48%, Remember, a lot of those are really commercial loans, which are going to be shorter in Tanner than, for example, a fixed rate mortgage loan. So those are going to be typically, it's Let's assume it's like a 3 year, 3.5 year duration of those assets. So every year you have about a third of that component, roughly speaking, that is going to be repricing as well.

Speaker 2

So just keep that in mind.

Speaker 4

Yes. Okay. You'd say our loan rate is about 22%.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 10

Okay. Just I guess a couple others or 1 or 2 others. Just on the capital, you talked about M and A. As far as the buyback, can you talk about your appetite there versus the M and A? It sounds as though M and A might be More of interest in the short term than the buyback and having the buyback in place if something doesn't pan through on that, but so that was one.

Speaker 10

And then just Secondly, as a follow-up on your M and A outlook, just remind us what if you talk about what are the characteristics of a target that are valued to you today?

Speaker 2

So in terms of the first part of your question, I think Brian, it's just We're very, very consistent in how we think about capital allocation. 1st and foremost, when you think in terms of priorities, It's to support the growth of the business. So we want to make sure that we have more than enough capital to continue to grow our business, continue to invest in the business, talent, infrastructure, etcetera. As it pertains to

Speaker 1

The next

Speaker 2

several categories, the dividend, the M and A or Ultimately, the buybacks, obviously, we want to we're endeavoring to continue to make sure that we're paying our dividend. And M and A is really a function of you need obviously a counterparty that has to be like minded. You need to strike a transaction and that transaction from a return perspective, from an earn back perspective, from a Strategic and also culturally for the business has to make sense. So If all of those categories check we can check the box on those categories, That's basically telling you that we feel like M and A is superior to We have excess capital. We have no better use for it.

Speaker 2

And therefore, we can look to the buyback to return that capital back to shareholders. So I would think about that in that priority. And then you asked a question about targets. I think when you When we think about targets today, obviously, we're a slightly larger company. We've grown as a company over time, But we still think that kind of the target market is somewhere between $250,000,000 $300,000,000 to up to about $4,000,000,000 in the Greater Chicago Metropolitan market, That comes about to around 50 targets in that category today.

Speaker 2

And that I would say would be kind of continues to be our target market.

Speaker 10

Got you. Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe just one for Mark on the credit side. Just With the can you comment, Mark, just if on the change, if there was any?

Speaker 10

And if you put this in the deck, and I missed it, I apologize, the special mentioned credits, kind of how they trended from 3rd to 4th quarter and then just areas that I guess you're paying closer attention to today given some of the dynamics the last 90 days or so in the market.

Speaker 7

Special mention credits, you said? Okay. Well, special mention credits, they just there was an increase, But we also had good resolutions in that area also. We continue to see good resolutions. But at the same time, we're dealing with a lot of our PCD credits that have moved, in terms of rating.

Speaker 7

And I expect that to be a lot of the same activity we're going to see this year. There'll be ins, there'll be outs. But some of the moves we're making strategically on these credits that we want to either exit or look to upgrade is going to be the key. Can we execute those strategies which are unique to each particular deal? And I think we can.

Speaker 7

There's no trend in terms of What particular asset class is in the criticized book? We're not seeing one area that where we're seeing a big increase. It's just There's been things in the commercial book. There's been things in the SBA book. There's been things that have popped up in different asset classes, but no trends.

Speaker 10

Okay. I'm not

Speaker 7

sure if

Speaker 2

they had

Speaker 10

the question or not. Yes, broadly just the trend is what I'm looking was trying to get arms around, so the head of the ins and outs helps. And just in terms of areas you're maybe Watching more closely this year, in the near term, can you give any commentary on that?

Speaker 7

I'm watching obviously like everybody else in this country office carefully. Even though that's not a big part of our portfolio, we a lot of time looking at it, upcoming maturities, appraisal values and what our sponsors are saying about those assets. And then the SBA book is still dealing with the higher rates that impacts their customers. And that is not going to ease up too quickly. So we have to keep an eye on that portfolio also to see if these companies can continue to sustain their payments at those rates that they've had to deal with for the last 18 months.

Speaker 10

Okay, got you. That's helpful. And maybe just last big picture question for Alberto. Just Alberto, if you look at Talking about last year being a breakout year for Byline, if you look at where you feel like the greatest opportunity for Byline is this year, Kind of given the market conditions today, can you just speak broadly to that where you feel like you guys and your business model can really excel Today, is there any certain areas that are more you can be more opportunistic this year?

Speaker 2

I think the short answer, Brian, is yes. And I would say we remain Very optimistic about the current market position that we have here in Chicago. To give you an example, so And I think we might have touched on this at some point towards the latter, maybe the second quarter call or the third quarter call Where there seemed to be a lot of you were hearing the word risk weighted asset diets primarily coming from larger super regionals or larger regional banks in anticipation of potentially kind of the Basel III endgame, where we saw a lot of people in the market simply closed their doors to new opportunities. And We are a relationship oriented bank. We want to be able to be there for clients and lend through the cycle.

Speaker 2

And we certainly saw opportunities to do that over the course, particularly the latter part of 2023. I think some of that will continue into 2024. I also think, As you well know, we benefit from any type of disruption in the market when it comes to customers And also importantly for us, when it comes to our ability to pick up high quality banking talent, We anticipate that we will see opportunities to do that and we expect to do that in 2024. So we're Optimistic about our ability to grow going forward and our ability to continue to add talent and customers in the market.

Speaker 10

Got you. Okay. Thank you for taking all the questions and great year.

Speaker 9

Thank you, Brian. Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you for your questions today. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Alberto Parracini for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you, Carla, and thank you all for joining the call today and for your interest in Byline. We look forward to speaking you again next quarter. And before we leave, I just want to Brooks, want to give you a heads up on our conference schedule for the first half of the year. Thanks, Alberto.

Speaker 1

Yes, for investors this quarter, we plan on attending the KeyBW Conference, along with the Piper Sandler West Coast Conference. With that, that concludes our call this morning. Hope everyone has a nice weekend. Goodbye.

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