FinWise Bancorp Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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January 29, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the FinWise Bancorp Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I would now like to turn the floor over to the FinWise Bancorp team.

Operator

Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today for FinWise Bancorp's 4th quarter 2023 conference call. Earlier today, we filed our earnings release and posted it to our investor website at investors. Finwisebancorp.com. Today's conference call is being recorded and webcast on the company's website, investors. Finwisebankorp.com.

Speaker 1

On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those discussed today. Forward looking statements represent management's current estimates, Expectations and beliefs and Finrise Bancorp assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to these forward looking statements contained in the company's earnings press release and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hosting the call today are Kent Landbatter, CEO and President of FinWise Bancorp Jim Noon, President of FinWise Bank and Javis Jacobson, Chief Financial Officer. With that, I will turn the call over to Ken.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our Q4 2023 earnings conference call. 2023 was another successful year as our differentiated business model coupled with a disciplined approach and strong execution continue to demonstrate resilience. We produced solid loan originations and delivered positive returns. Specifically for the Q4, we had approximately $1,200,000,000 in loan originations. Credit quality continued to perform as expected and generally in line with industry trends, notwithstanding an increase in non performing loans in the 4th quarter.

Speaker 2

This increase was driven primarily by the continued impact of higher rates on our SBA loan portfolio. While our collateral and portfolio management processes continue to serve us well, The level of net charge offs increased quarter over quarter. We continue to feel positive about the SBA portfolio, its growth and credit characteristics and the level of net charge offs at the bank which have been generally in line with our expectations. Turning to capital, at the end of the Q4, our bank leverage ratio remained significantly above well capitalized regulatory guidelines, which we believe provides us with sufficient capital to continue to support growth. Tangible book value per common share also continued to increase this quarter.

Speaker 2

I would now like to provide a brief update on our key objectives for 2024 and beyond. Our previously communicated strategy of expanding into an Integrated Banking as a Service Bank or BaaS Bank continues to make meaningful progress. To that end, we are very excited about our payment sub and bin sponsorship platforms, which are expected to be operational later in the year. This provides us with key pieces for an integrated BaaS offering. We firmly believe that an integrated BaaS infrastructure coupled with the strength of our regulatory due diligence and oversight functions are key differentiators in the market.

Speaker 2

Longer term, we also believe this expansion could create stickier relationships with our strategic platforms and offer multiple benefits to our business model. These could include additional recurring revenue, diversifying both revenue and deposit composition, More tools to manage our cost of funds through relationship banking and providing additional flexibility to manage our loan mix. This past quarter, we also completed an internal core system conversion as part of our overall business evolution. We believe this conversion should increase our operational efficiency and better position us to meet the needs of our growing organization. Our team worked diligently to complete this process by quarter end and I want to thank them for their effort.

Speaker 2

Turning to our SBA 7 loan program, we are pleased that the business continues to grow and perform as we expected, particularly amidst the higher rate environment that these credits have been managing through. While some market participants expect a potential economic Soft Lending, we believe uncertainties remain at least through the first half of twenty twenty four which could impact industry wide loan originations across all the banks lending products. The external environment notwithstanding, We will remain disciplined and continue to actively manage areas of the business we can control, including our strict underwriting and collateral management As we move ahead, we believe we're at an inflection point in the evolution of our model with the potential to enhance company's long term earnings power. We plan to continue our efforts to expand the business towards an integrated BaaS offering coupled with continued focus on our existing lending programs. In line with our culture, we will be patient and disciplined and our approach to rolling out the new businesses and expect the benefits to accrue over time.

Speaker 2

With that, let me turn the call over to Jim Noon, our Bank President.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Ken. I will now walk through some additional detail on the quarterly originations. The growth and performance of our loan portfolio and credit quality and then discuss progress on our business initiatives. Total loan originations were $1,200,000,000 in Q4 versus $1,100,000,000 in Q3. Our FinTech lending continued a gradual recovery in origination levels during the 4th quarter.

Speaker 1

Our SBA 7 loan originations during the Q4 were lower on a sequential quarter basis, primarily due to reduced application demand for the types of transactions we generally finance as well as our continued adherence The disciplined underwriting. We did not chase loan volume as we always focus on balancing loan growth with credit quality. And as a result, it's all our SBA pipeline contract some quarter over quarter. Moving to our portfolio, our growth in earning assets has continued according to plan. We continued to retain the guaranteed portion of our SBA given the current dynamics where the underlying note rates remained high and secondary market loan sale premiums remained low.

Speaker 1

On a sequential quarter basis, the 17.1% increase in guaranteed balances of our SBA loans was the primary driver of the 10.2% growth in total loans held for investment. Overall, we continued to be successful in identifying and funding creditworthy businesses in both our SBA and leasing lines, and both contributed meaningfully to our growth in earning assets. Turning to credit quality. The provision for credit losses was $3,200,000 in Q4 compared to $3,100,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential increase in provision was driven primarily by strict adherence to our CECL methodology, an increase in net charge offs in our SBA portfolio and an increase in the qualitative factor overlay that was implemented during Q3 and which remained in place due to the increase in special mention, non accrual and non performing assets.

Speaker 1

During Q4, net charge offs were $3,400,000 compared to $2,200,000 in the prior quarter. The increase was primarily related to our SBA portfolio. As a reminder, during Q3, We had a large recovery of $390,000 The net charge off rate as a percentage of average loans held for investment was 3.8% in Q4 compared to 2.8% in the prior quarter. We continue to believe we are well reserved for potential loan losses with an allowance as a percentage of total loans held for investment of 3.5% at the end of Q4. Non performing loans at the end of Q4 were $27,100,000 compared to $10,700,000 at the end of the prior quarter.

Speaker 1

Of the $27,100,000 $15,000,000 is guaranteed by the SBA and $12,100,000 is the balance of loans which do not carry SBA guarantees. The increase in NPLs versus the prior quarter related primarily to our SBA portfolio, as this program continued to be impacted by the higher interest rate environment. As a reminder, Our SBA note rates adjust calendar quarterly based on a spread over the Wall Street Journal prime rate in place at quarter end. We expect to see additional increases in our NPL balances while the prime rate remains elevated. Further, while $12,100,000 of our NPL balances do not carry SBA guarantees, we believe our strict collateral policies in this portfolio should continue to help mitigate net charge

Speaker 3

offs. Finally,

Speaker 1

let me give you an update on our business initiatives. Within strategic program lending, we executed program agreements with Earnest, a subsidiary of Navient and a leader in the private student lending market. We are humbled by the trust the team at Earnest placed in FinWise to support their growth plans and believe this is a testament to the strength of our offering in the market. We look forward to working with the Earnest team and welcome them to the FinWise family. We are also quite proud of our continued investment in the compliance and risk management infrastructure at the bank.

Speaker 1

We believe this focus, which is at the core of our offering, is embedded in our systems, processes and culture and allows us to continue to provide strong support to our FinTech lending platforms. Lastly, In anticipation of our further expansion into BaaS, we continue to make progress on our payments hub and bin sponsorship products. As Kent mentioned earlier, we anticipate them being operational later in the year. We will continue to provide you with additional details on these initiatives as certain milestones are achieved. Now let me turn the call over to our CFO, Travis Jacobson, to provide more detail on our financial results.

Speaker 4

Thank you and good afternoon. For the 4th quarter, we generated net income $4,200,000 or $0.32 per diluted common share. We posted solid profitability with a return on average assets of 2.9% and a return on average equity of 10.8%. These results were achieved while continuing to invest in infrastructure To support growth and key strategic initiatives, average loan balances comprising held for sale and held for investment loans $396,200,000 during the quarter compared to $354,600,000 last quarter. This increase was primarily driven by continued growth in our SBA 7 and commercial loan programs.

Speaker 4

Average interest bearing deposits were $303,400,000 compared to $255,800,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential quarter increase was driven primarily by an increase in brokered certificates of deposit. As of the end of the quarter, approximately 87 of the bank deposits are either insured, are our own capital or are contractually required in our strategic lending business. Now turning to the income statement. Net interest income for the quarter was $14,400,000 nearly flat versus last quarter.

Speaker 4

Positively, the increase in average balances of loans held for investments substantially offset the impact of higher interest rates and average interest bearing liability balances. Net interest margin was 10.61% this quarter compared to 11.77% last quarter. The decrease was mainly due to a loan mix shift towards loans carrying lower yields in the held for investment portfolio and an increase in the volume of CDs. Non interest income was $6,000,000 in the quarter compared to $5,200,000 in the 3rd quarter. The quarter over quarter increase was primarily due to the change in fair value of our investment in VFG, Partially offset by a decline in other miscellaneous income related to the resolution of a forbearance agreement last quarter, resulting in income which did not recur in Q4.

Speaker 4

Non interest expense in Q4 was $11,400,000 compared to $10,100,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential quarter increase was primarily driven by an increase in salaries and employee benefits due to an increase in the headcount as well as higher professional service expenses as we continue to build out infrastructure to accommodate our growth. The efficiency ratio was 55.8% in Q4 compared to 51.3% for the prior quarter. We continue to expect the efficiency ratio to remain elevated as we further build out our infrastructure to move forward with our strategic initiatives that position the company for long term growth. With a 20.7% leverage ratio, The bank's capital remains significantly above the 9% well capitalized requirement.

Speaker 4

The company's tangible book value per common share to increase to $12.41 compared to $12.04 at the end of the prior quarter. Lastly, the effective tax rate was 28.5 percent for Q4 compared to 26.1% in the prior quarter. With that, we would like to open the call for Q and A. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Andrew Terrell with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 6

Hey, Andrew. Hey.

Speaker 5

Maybe if I could start just on credit quality, any allowance, I guess I was surprised to see a modest move down in the allowance this quarter Given we did see a lift in the non performers and Jim I appreciate the commentary, I think about $15,000,000 of the NPLs were Our guarantee by the SBA, it looks like if I back that $15,000,000 out, you're essentially in your allowance covered 1 for 1 on NPLs versus kind of the non guaranteed portion. I guess, 1, is that fair? And then number 2, if charge offs are running, call it, 3.8% or so this quarter, why not build a reserve to a level kind of higher than 3 50 basis points?

Speaker 6

Yes, no problem. So let me just kind of piece that apart quickly. So yes, generally the Reserve at the end of the quarter is going to be slightly higher than that $12,100,000 unguaranteed balance unguaranteed NPL balance, but it's close, right? It's like 12.9 in the reserve versus 12.1 in unguaranteed NPL balances. And then just as far as the like the trend this quarter, the NPL balances were up.

Speaker 6

The Primary figure to point out is the unguaranteed balances increased by $6,100,000 in the quarter. That was similar to the $6,000,000 incremental increase in unguaranteed NPL balances that we saw in Q3. And it's that quarterly increase was primarily attributable to the SBA portfolio, Andrew. It's really a repricing issue. Remember, these are adjustable rate loans that reprice on a calendar quarterly basis and the speed of those rate increases has been impacting that portfolio.

Speaker 6

So we'll expect to see continued normalization here until the prime rate starts declining. But then your question about the ACL rate, really there's 2 reasons there. First is, We've been disciplined in our CECL methodology. And then the second is because it is a lower risk portfolio than the same time last year. It's lower risk because of the remixing of the portfolio that's happened throughout 2023.

Speaker 6

The two examples that I'd give you are the SBA guarantee balances are now 35% of the portfolio versus 21% at the end of last year. And then the SPHFI balances, which carry a much higher reserve rate, that's the Fintech lending balances that we retained have declined from about 10% of the portfolio to about 5% of the portfolio over the last year. So that's why that 3.5% figure on the ACL reserve is the right figure for the current portfolio.

Speaker 5

Understood. Yes, I guess there's a lot of moving pieces there. I wasn't totally contemplating the kind of positive credit mix shifts seen throughout the year. So that makes sense. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5

If I could ask on the just loan origination volumes, It was good to see a little bit of a step up in the Q4. Can you remind us any kind of seasonality within any of your businesses, specifically some of the larger partners in the Q4 and then just kind of outlook as you look into 2024 From an origination perspective, does it feel like we've kind of had a relative trough here, we could still see some modest declines moving forward?

Speaker 6

Sure. So on the seasonality piece, that's been pretty difficult for us to get a baseline on Just over the last couple of years because there's been so much movement both on the upside and then with some of the larger partners on the downside. So Really pulling out the seasonal factor is hard for us to do. But just generally on the originations in the quarter, That rebound in demand that we saw from the Q1 origination levels

Speaker 1

was a

Speaker 6

little more sustained than we expected. Originations were up a little quarter over quarter and generally stable over the last three quarters. We would just Point out, it's still too early to say that it's likely to continue at that level throughout 2024. And then the reason is that delta from Q1 is mostly related to a sustained rebound from the 1 program we spoke about in Q2. And we don't see broad enough strength across all of our platforms and just the industry in general to change our outlook there.

Speaker 5

Okay, got it. I appreciate it. If I could maybe Just take your temperature on or maybe just wanted to maybe appreciate your line of thinking around retaining incremental strategic program credit that's being generated today. It feels like there's maybe a broader narrative in the market today that kind of the late 'twenty three or current Origination Vintage Paper might end up being some of the better performing from a credit standpoint just as underwriting has tightened with higher rates relative to prior years. So Jim, I kind of appreciate your thoughts on that kind of narrative in the market.

Speaker 5

1, do you And then any appetite right now, I know you're seeing a lot of success in the SBA business and it's really driving higher spread there. Any appetite to bolster the strategic program portion of the loan portfolio?

Speaker 6

So the loan composition that we've been trending towards or that you've seen over the last, call it year, Andrew, I think you should continue to expect from us Over the next few quarters, I don't think you'll see any material change there. The SDHFI portfolio has been Fairly stable as far as dollar balances over the course of the last year. When you the question that you had about vintages, It's hard to answer like, like succinctly. And the reason is it varies across Programs, there are programs where, I would say generally, yes, mid-twenty 2 vintages to make a general statement are Some of the they're worse performing generally than what you saw kind of Q1, Q2 of 2023. I think a lot of the reason for that is the tightening in underwriting, but it varies markedly across programs.

Speaker 6

And just as far as outlook from us in our portfolio, I don't think that you'll see anything different over the next few quarters as far as our

Speaker 5

Okay, perfect. So really the incremental balance sheet growth we should expect should still be more SBA driven?

Speaker 7

Yes.

Speaker 5

Okay. And Javis, if I could ask a couple just on the 1, it sounds like there was a core system conversion in the Q4. I'm just curious, It looks like the other expense line was up a decent amount sequentially. Anything one time from the core system Or anything else, either in the other operating expense or even in the salary and employee benefits in the Q4, we Appreciate. And then it looks like expense growth from an operating standpoint was about 10% in 2023.

Speaker 5

Is that the right level of operating expense growth you would expect moving forward? Just understanding that there's continued kind of reinvestment in the business?

Speaker 8

Yes, Drew. I think we've been talking for the last several quarters now about Making additional investments to improve our business infrastructure and what you're seeing In the non interest expense now, investments in personnel, systems, processes and the new core you mentioned, Those expenses aren't going to go away and we're not quite there yet. We're excited about the progress we've made so far and about our plans to help position the company for long term growth. I wouldn't really call out anything in the Q4 as one time.

Speaker 5

Understood. Okay. And then thoughts on just the overall level of expense growth going forward?

Speaker 8

Again, when we're thinking about the right run rate for expenses, We continue to build and we're not there yet. So, 2023 has been a build year for us. We expect that to continue in 2024. So, I don't think it's unreasonable to think about increasing expenses in 2024.

Speaker 5

Okay. I appreciate it. I will step back in the queue. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Liesch with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. Just wanted to talk about the BIN sponsorship and kind of how that's going to ramp up. I mean signing up Partners can take some time and it sounds like it will be operational late this year. But when do you think we can start seeing revenue hit the bottom line?

Speaker 7

And I guess if you're provided at a high level, What sorts of partners are you targeting for that business?

Speaker 9

Jim, do you want to take that one?

Speaker 6

Yes, no problem. So right now, Andrew, we're looking to be operational later in the year. We don't have a timeline to kind of point to as far as identifying when to really be looking at meaningful revenue contribution. A lot of the work that's been done so far is really on the infrastructure and staffing side. And that'll continue over the course of this year.

Speaker 6

We do expect to have our first handful of customers later this year, but it's really probably in 2025 that, that comes a more meaningful revenue item for us.

Speaker 7

Got it. And then just the on the originations, I know it's hard to say that this is The environment's improved, but you still continue to put up decent numbers and the strategic program fee is still run pretty solidly. I mean, should I guess I'm just trying to figure out like where do you think the low for that fee income item could be like what we saw

Speaker 1

in the Q1 of that of this year? It just seems like there's

Speaker 7

a lot of there's more tailwinds out there that you guys might be Yes,

Speaker 6

I can touch on the originations. I'll give Travis, we want to touch on kind of the key side of that. So it's like the delta that you've seen between Q1 And the subsequent 3 quarters of 2023, Andrew, really came from a rebound with one specific program in our FinTech lending line. That rebound was sustained throughout the course of the year and that was Certainly something that was good for us, But it wasn't something that we were expecting throughout the course of the year. And I think right now, while rate expectations have improved and some of the other like macro Clouds have been lifting.

Speaker 6

We still don't see broad enough strength across all of our platforms and kind of the industry in general to change our outlook. And so this is why we've continued to build our pipeline and launch new partners. And I would point you to Earnest and Navient in Q4 as really one of the goals that we really were trying to hit before the end of the year. So again, as far as origination levels over the course of the next couple of quarters, pointing you to Q1 as a good barometer is still something that we would do near term. And Andrew, as far

Speaker 7

as the

Speaker 8

fee income goes, I just point you to the high correlation Between the strategic program fees and the line item or the originations, we're pretty close to last year Q4 and those fees are pretty similar And the trend is there a little higher this quarter than last quarter and that trend exists as well on the strategic program fees line item in other income.

Speaker 7

Got it. All right. That's helpful. And you've covered the questions I had. I'll step back here.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Thank you. We have a follow-up question from Andrew Terrell with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hey, thanks for the follow-up. Just had one around the capital position. It looks like For the past year or so, I mean, you've obviously had really impressive balance sheet growth. It looks like the leverage ratio is down about 450 basis points or so just throughout the year. I think if I recall the around the high teens, low 20s levels where you like to operate from a leverage perspective, can you just talk about one comfortability with the current capital position today and then maybe tie it into discussion of Whether you see inorganic capital as a solution or is a slowdown in the cadence of near term balance sheet growth more likely outcome?

Speaker 9

So let me take a stab at that one, Andrew. The capital, you know, last year, we did some repurchases and we thought those were good for values for the shareholders because we bought it less intangible book value. But we were always trying to walk the balance between the amount of capital we need to So we continually look at that. Right now, we feel we've got the right level of capital to burn through this while still allowing regulators the comfort of our capital levels being sufficient. So whether this is Organic or inorganic for future capital needs, we're not to that point yet, but we feel comfortable with the capital position we have right now and we'll keep you posted if our thinking changes.

Speaker 5

Great. I appreciate it. And you answered, I think the second part of that question, it was going to be around the buyback. So, I appreciate it, Ken.

Speaker 9

Yes.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions over the phone.

Speaker 3

Operator, we Actually received a few questions via email, as we are now allowing investors to ask questions that way as well. So if there are no further questions on the call, I'll just read out these couple of questions. The first question reads, Regarding the agreement you just announced with Ernest, when do you think that will start to contribute and how big can that be?

Speaker 6

Sure. Thanks, Lauren. I think, first with Ernest, we're really excited about the relationship. We think it highlights the strength of our offering. And we're humbled that Ernest It's trusting us that Spirit had their growth plans.

Speaker 6

We're not going to provide any contract details today and we generally don't details of our program agreements for competitive purposes. Long term though, we think Ernest could be a meaningful contributor. That relationship will take some time to ramp up. But we think we continue to have a strong opportunity to take share, particularly given our compliance and regulatory strength right now.

Speaker 3

Okay. And there was one more. What's the opportunity in banking as a service, especially given the regulatory issues with some of your peers and across the industry?

Speaker 9

Yes, that's a very good question. We've been watching this and as the industry evolves do the regulations that go along with it. And we see this evolution as a very positive outcome that's going to better We've always focused heavily on an appropriate compliance management system at the bank And we've tried to make certain that we're monitoring all of our relationships and their compliance with laws and regulations. Of course, it's almost impossible to be 100% immune from compliance issues. There are some bad actors in any industry, but I think having a very proactive oversight is something that will further evolve the industry And specifically the space, banks that will come out on top will have strong due diligence processes When they bring the partners on board, they have invested in building strong compliance and regulatory processes.

Speaker 9

And I think for us, We've worked on this for a lot of years and these actually create competitive opportunities for us.

Speaker 3

No more questions for your email.

Operator

Thank you. With that, this concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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