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Earnings HistoryForecast Theratechnologies EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.06Consensus EPS $0.03Beat/MissBeat by +$0.03One Year Ago EPS-$0.03Theratechnologies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$22.60 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATheratechnologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date10/10/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, October 10, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Theratechnologies Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 10, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Theratechnologies' 3rd Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. We would like to remind everyone that all figures on this call are quoted in U. S. Dollars. Operator00:00:15At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session with analysts. Instructions will be provided at the time for you to queue up for questions. Following the analyst Q and A session, investors wishing to submit a question may do so by clicking the Ask a Question link on the webcast platform. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, Thursday, October 10, 2024 at 8:30 am Eastern Time. Operator00:01:00I will now turn the call over to Julia Schneiderman, Senior Director of Communications and Corporate Affairs at Theratechnologies. Julie, please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:11Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. On the call today will be Theratechnologies' President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Paul Levesque and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Philippe Dubuc. During the Q and A session, they will be joined by Doctor. Speaker 100:01:29Christian Marsolais, Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer and John Leisure, the company's Global Commercial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that remarks today contain forward looking statements regarding the company's current and future plans, expectations and intentions with respect to future events. Forward looking statements are based on assumptions and there are risks that results obtained by Theratechnologies may differ materially from those statements. As such, the company cannot guarantee that any forward looking statement will materialize and you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on them. The company refers current and potential investors to the forward looking information section of Theratechnologies Management's Discussion and Analysis issued this morning and available on SEDAR plus atsedarplus. Speaker 100:02:23Ca and on EDGAR at www.sec.gov. Forward looking statements represent Theratechnologies' expectations as of this morning, October 10, 2024. Additionally, today, the company is using the term adjusted EBITDA, which is not a financial measure under International Financial Reporting Standards or U. S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, adjusted EBITDA excludes the effects of items that primarily reflect the impact of long term investment and financing decisions rather than the results of day to day operations. Speaker 100:03:02Theratechnologies believes that this measure can be a useful indicator of its operational performance and financial condition from one period to another. The company uses this non IFRS measure to make financial, strategic and operating decisions. Reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to net loss is found in our MD and A issued this morning available on SEDAR Plus and on EDGAR at the web addresses mentioned earlier. Investors can also follow the company on LinkedIn and X, formerly Twitter, and sign up for alerts on Theratechnologies' investor website at theratech.com. With that, I would now like to turn the conference over to our President and CEO, Paul Levesque. Speaker 200:03:47Thank you, Judy. Hello, everyone, and good morning. I am pleased to be reporting on Theratechnologies' financial results for the Q3 ended August 31, 2024. As I explained during our Q2 call, we have embarked on the new chapter at Theratechnologies focused on commercializing innovative treatments. This strategic pivot coupled with a cost structure that is fit for purpose has enabled the company to achieve profitability and deliver on our commitment to shareholders to be adjusted EBITDA positive quarter after quarter. Speaker 200:04:25In fact, in a short period of time, the turnaround is nothing short of spectacular. As you have seen today, our Q3 did not disappoint and we have continued to demonstrate strength on the bottom line with an adjusted EBITDA figure of $7,200,000 and a net profit of $3,000,000 Revenues for the quarter are also trending positively, up 8% from the same period last year and driven by our engine of growth EGRIFTA SV. Enrollments, unique patients and unit sold of EGRIFTA SV reached double digit growth year to date compared to the same period last year. In fact, in the last 6 months of EGRIFTA SV has recorded the drug has recorded its best performance in recent history capturing patients and new prescribers at the non precedented rate. By highlighting EGRIFTA SV's unique value proposition, we've been able to differentiate the therapy from weight loss drugs where the focus is on BMI. Speaker 200:05:29EGRIFTA SV reduces visceral abdominal fat, which if left untreated can lead to serious medical condition and is easily identifiable by measurement of waist circumference. Trogarzo remains one of the few options for the management of HIV multi drug resistance. While it has been facing strong competition over Speaker 300:05:53the past year, new prescriptions and refills of Trogarzo have stabilized and we do not expect further declines next year. Now, as previously announced in September, our CDMO responsible for the manufacturing of EGRIFTA SV implemented an unexpected voluntary shutdown following an FDA inspection in order to implement corrective measures to their plant. Speaker 200:06:20As a result, the production of 2 batches of EGRIFTA SB were canceled, thus creating pressure on current inventory. It is important note that the corrective measures have nothing to do with the manufacturing process of our medicine, but rather with the environment in which the product is manufactured. I want to be clear that this situation will have no impact at the patient level in 2024. However, we believe it will have an impact on ex factory sales in the Q4 and in turn total revenue for full year 2024. Given this and considering current trends for Trogarzo, we are changing a top line revenue guidance to be between $83,000,000 $85,000,000 This change does not reflect demand for EGRIFTA ASV, which in recent history has never been so strong across all metrics, new patients, unique patients and unit sold. Speaker 200:07:18The new guidance reflects a constrained supply situation. Despite the circumstances affecting our top line, we're happy to firm up guidance for adjusted EBITDA, increasing it to $17,000,000 to $19,000,000 from $13,000,000 to $15,000,000 This is a result of adapting our cost structure to our new strategic direction of refocusing efforts on commercial activities. With a cash position of close to $39,000,000 and such a robust trajectory for adjusted EBITDA, we are in a strong position to take things to the next level. Looking to 2025, I want to share the latest information we have on the supply of EGRIFTA ASV. Our CDMO has reconfirmed it will resume activities mid October and a manufacturing slot for EGRIFTA ASV scheduled for the week of October 21. Speaker 200:08:15Theratechnologies will file a prior authorization supplement or PES with the review division. The PES will include the remediation plan implemented by our CDMO and we expect to summit in early November. While we expect to have very limited supply of EGRIFTA as we in the latter part of November in terms of ex factory sales, there will be still a 6 week inventory held at the wholesaler and specialty pharmacy level. This will be enough drug to meet patient demand until mid January. The FDA has up to 120 days to approve the PAS and enable the batch to be released. Speaker 200:08:59As such, we took the precautionary step to modify or to notify rather the FDA drug shortage staff of the situation and also advise the market. We are working closely with all stakeholders and remain confident that any impact on patients in 2025 will be avoided. Moreover, we believe that in the 1st part of 2025, we will fully make up for sales not recorded in the Q4 of 2024. We will continue to update the market as things becomes available. Turning to the F8 formulation of tesamorelin, I want to provide an update on our timelines for resubmission to the FDA. Speaker 200:09:47Following our Type A meeting with the FDA, we believe we have addressed all of the agency's questions, including the ones related to immunogenicity and microbiology, and I'm confident these pieces are behind us. We expect to have the file completed shortly and intend to submit by the end of November. The FDA has confirmed a 4 month review. It is also important to note that our CDMO for DF8 is not the same as our manufacturer for DF4. Our team believes strongly in the benefits of TESAM Orlin as the only FDA approved treatment of its kind for people with HIV and lipodystrophy, and we are all hands on deck to bring this new formulation to market and to continue sharing our value proposition in new data. Speaker 200:10:37Next week, 3 Theratechnologies poster will be presented at ID Week in Los Angeles. ID Week is one of the foremost scientific conferences in this field. One poster presents data linking excess visceral abdominal fat or EVAF to increase cardiovascular risk in people with HIV, while a second poster documents how use of tesamorlin to reduce excess visceral abdominal fat can lower cardiovascular disease risk in people with HIV. Another posters of will report on the study design and baseline characteristics of the PROMISE U. S. Speaker 200:11:19Trial, an observational real world study of abelizumab in heavily treatment experienced patients with multidrug resistance. We've also had the recent publications on ebilizumab data in the Journal of AIDS. As people live longer with HIV and with greater exposure to antiretroviral medicines. They may experience higher amounts of excess visceral abdominal fat and risk multidrug resistance. We look forward to sharing our findings with HIV clinicians and researchers into contributing to the scientific and treatment discourse on HIV. Speaker 200:11:58In keeping with our commitment to adding value through medical activities, I would like to provide an update on our ongoing Phase 1 clinical trial of pseudocetaxelzendusortide, our lead investigational PDC candidate. At this time, recruitment for both cohorts in advanced ovarian cancer has been completed. We've had no reports of DLTs including neuropathy and toxicity. 1 patient remains in the trial at the higher dose of 2.5 milligram per kilogram and we plan to share results once the last patient has completed treatment and the overall data analysis is finalized. Our strengthened financial positioning, in particular our bottom line performance and cash position has changed many things for us, opening the door to new possibilities and collaborations. Speaker 200:12:55We have doubled down on our efforts to find new products to market and to enter into partnerships. To this end, we've made significant progress in our search for new products both in the U. S. And in Canada. Based on our experience with EGRIFTA and Trogarzo as well as the commercial capabilities we have built, we are uniquely positioned to in license and bring to market innovative therapies that challenge the standard of care in rare or niche markets. Speaker 200:13:26This requires a specialized set of skills and experience managing regulatory and market access requirements and specialized patient support initiatives. We are confident that Theratechnologies has a compelling value proposition to offer. Our North American focused strategy is very clear and we are confident we can achieve our long term objective of delivering sustained top and bottom line growth and value for shareholders. With this, I'd like to turn the call over to Philippe, who will go over the Pierry's financials in details. Philippe? Speaker 200:14:01Thank you, Paul, and good morning, everyone. Speaker 300:14:04I'm pleased to report that we've recorded another strong quarter, both on the top and bottom lines with net sales of $22,600,000 or 8.4% growth versus the same quarter last year. Furthermore, I want to highlight that the efforts to reorganize the cost structure of the company are continuing to pay off with $7,200,000 of adjusted EBITDA or close to 30% of revenues and we recorded a net profit of about $3,000,000 for the quarter or $0.06 per share. I can now say that we've built a high performing organization that can take on additional challenges as just mentioned by Paul. For the Q3 of fiscal 2024, net sales of EGRIFTA SV reached $16,700,000 compared to $13,200,000 in Q3 of last year, which represents a 27% increase year over year. As mentioned previously, inventory levels have reverted to normal levels and we should continue to see that going forward. Speaker 300:15:13For the 9 month period ended August 31, EGRIFTA revenues have grown 16%, which is supported by our key performance indicators such as new enrollments and total unique patients. Trogarzo net sales in the 3rd quarter amounted to $5,900,000 compared to $7,700,000 for the same quarter last year. The decrease was mainly due to lower unit sales in the quarter as compared to last year, mostly Speaker 400:15:42as Speaker 300:15:42a result of competitive pressures in the multidrug resistant segment of the HIV-one market. This impact is stabilizing as sales of Trogarzo units to pharmacies have grown slightly in Q3 compared to Q2 of this year. In the Q3 of 2024, cost of sales came in at $4,500,000 down from $5,000,000 in the same quarter of last year. EGRIFTA gross margins for EGRIFTA were 91%, which is in line with historical values and Trogarzo margins were at 48% consistent with the terms of the TimeNet agreement. Again in the Q3 of 2024, the rigorous management of spending in R and D, selling and G and A expense helped us achieve our 5th straight quarter of strong adjusted EBITDA as established as an objective early in 2023. Speaker 300:16:40Adjusted EBITDA for the past 4 quarters was $17,400,000 which is why we increased our guidance this morning to $17,000,000 to $19,000,000 for 2024. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be flat to slightly positive in the 4th quarter compared to Q4 of last year, mainly because of the shortfall anticipated to the supply constraints discussed earlier. Although this shortfall will affect our revenues in Q4, patient supply will not be affected until mid January, if at all, as there is inventory both at McKesson, our distributor and at the specialty pharmacy level. R and D expenses again decreased substantially in the Q3 of 2020 4 compared to the same period last year, mostly due to lower spending on our oncology program as well as lower expenses following the near completion of our lifecycle management projects for both EGRIFTA SV and Trogarzo. R and D expenses came in at $2,600,000 versus $5,400,000 last year for a 52% decrease. Speaker 300:17:58Selling expenses came in at $6,300,000 for Q3 compared to $6,700,000 for the same period last year. Selling expenses have stabilized in the past few quarters and should continue at roughly the same level in the next few quarters as the focus on top and bottom line growth remains our main objective. G and A expenses in the Q3 of 2024 amounted to $3,000,000 as compared to $3,700,000 for the Q3 of 2023 or a 19% decrease. The decrease in G and A expenses is largely due to our decision to focus on our U. S. Speaker 300:18:40Commercial operations and on controlling expenses. Again, these expenses are expected to stabilize going forward as evidenced by the similar level of expenses in Q2 of this year. As you can see from our reduction of expenses in R and D and G and A, in the past 6 quarters, we have now rightsized the organization to ensure that we are well on our way in our journey towards showing strong growth in adjusted EBITDA. As a result of this, we are pleased to report adjusted EBITDA in the 3rd quarter of $7,200,000 versus $2,200,000 in the same period last year, a significant improvement of $5,000,000 a combination of top line growth and realignment of spending. Net finance costs in the Q3 amounted to $2,400,000 and include interest of $2,300,000 on the Marathon loan facility. Speaker 300:19:39As per the credit agreement, we have initiated the reimbursement of the principal in August 2024 and the loan will be amortized over a 36 month period. Our strong operations generate solid cash flow enabling us to repay the facility in the contracted amounts of $5,000,000 per quarter. Even considering the 1st monthly repayment of the credit facility, we ended the 3rd quarter on solid financial footing with cash, bonds and money market funds at the end of the quarter amounting to $39,000,000 an increase of close to $3,000,000 over Q2 of 2024 and we ended the quarter with $58,900,000 drawn on the Marathon facility for a net debt position of $20,000,000 I'm also happy to report that we recorded a net profit of $3,000,000 or $0.06 per share in the Q3 of 2024. As Paul briefly alluded to in his remarks, we are revising our guidance this morning for revenues of $83,000,000 to $85,000,000 for fiscal 2024 and increasing our guidance for adjusted EBITDA to between $17,000,000 $19,000,000 even as we include the spending on our oncology program this year, pointing to the continued strong performance of our commercial operations for the remainder of the year. As previously mentioned, any additional spending on oncology after the completion of the Phase 1 trial will be carried out through partnerships. Speaker 300:21:18So this program will no longer affect our adjusted EBITDA in 2025 beyond. With that, Paul will be back for final comments. But first, we will now open the call to take your questions. We will start by taking questions from analysts. Operator? Operator00:21:38We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question today comes from Justin Walsh with Jones Trading. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:22:17Hi, thanks for taking the questions. I was wondering if you can provide any color on the remediation efforts being undertaken by the manufacturer and maybe outline some potential contingency plans if EGRIFTA SP manufacturing does not resume in mid October? Speaker 200:22:35Thank you, Justin for the question. So, it is a complex situation, but we are in discussion almost every day with the manufacturers so that we can confirm the sequence of events that I have highlighted in my speech. And it comes down to making a submission of the PAS filing that will be comprehensive, which will come from the full appreciation of the collective measures. And as soon as we hear back from our CDMO and their interaction with their compliance division, that will give us all ammunition needed to go back to the review division and work with the drug shortage staff to engage with our review division so that they expedite the review. And quite frankly, they don't need to do it in 15 days. Speaker 200:23:29They don't need to do it even in 30 days, we have enough supply at the patient level up the way until mid January. So we are confident that that period of time is long enough for the agency to approve the releasing of the batch that will be produced the week of October 21. So John, when it comes down to handling of the stock that we currently have, what do you have lining up? Speaker 600:23:59Well, this is why we're managing inventory more closely in the Q4 just to ensure that we have equal distribution amongst all our specialty pharmacy partners. And we're working with our patient support program then to ensure we get product to the right location for the right patients. So I think that's how we're managing that Justin. Speaker 300:24:22And just maybe to add to Justin, we do have another slot that is reserved after the 1 in the week of October 21. So we actually have multiple slots coming up. So if that one doesn't happen, there's more in the back of it. Speaker 500:24:39Got it. And I was wondering if there's any sort of comment you can have on color for the timing expectations for the BD activity and potentially accretive assets there? And that's it for me. Thanks. Speaker 200:24:55Yes. Well, I mean, we've been active for a certain period of time and I cannot tell you what I cannot tell you. However, I just want to tell you again that this new situation that we're in when it comes down to being stronger on the bottom line of the firm with a strong cash position and you see the rhythm of the numbers now when it comes down to generating EBITDA. So we are in a much, much in much better position than we used to be. We believe in the capabilities that John and his team have built in the U. Speaker 200:25:32S. You've seen how robust the performance of EGRIFTA is turning to be in an environment that was unsure a year ago. So we're going to build on all of this and quite frankly it hasn't gone unnoticed by some of the biotechs in the U. S. That might need a partner to advance their science. Speaker 200:25:52And I just want to stress again that this organization has a track record for establishing the science. So we do have medical activities on the ground. We're capable of conducting medical to medical sessions so that we can establish new medicines. And there are many firms of our size in the U. S. Speaker 200:26:15That actually specialize in 505s. We sell innovation and we're proud of that and that's the type of product that we're after. So stay tuned for the next phases of announcement, okay? Operator00:26:32The next question comes from Andre Uddin with Research Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:26:38Thank you. Hi, Paul, Philippe, Christian and John. Just in terms of looking at innovative products that you'd add to your portfolio, are you only looking at commercially available assets and with those drugs be in license or required and would you also build the Canadian sales force? Speaker 200:27:00So, we are looking a couple of things. We're looking at the territories we master the most. So obviously the U. S. And Canada, we have capabilities in Canada as you can imagine being located here. Speaker 200:27:15If we need to actually set up a field force either in the U. S. Or Canada, we will. Obviously, the value proposition coming from an in license or acquisition has to be compelling. So we'll look at this very closely and we wanted to be accretive as fast as possible. Speaker 200:27:34So that doesn't mean that there's not going to be any period of time to ramp up to get access and reimbursement. But to answer your question again, what is most important to us is the value proposition. We want to challenge standard of care. And if there are some drugs in the U. S. Speaker 200:27:52That are deprioritized by big pharma or small pharma companies, we are interested in making acquisition of that too. So it could be a mix of what you just mentioned. Speaker 700:28:05Okay, that's great. Thanks, Paul. And just in terms of EGRIFTA, do you plan on setting up a backup facility going forward? Speaker 200:28:15Did it, do you want to take that question? No, I Speaker 300:28:18don't think we'll need to. First of all, we're hoping to launch the F8 next year. We have another manufacturer. And what we'll do is build up a solid inventory so that we have 1 or 2 years of material. So it's so expensive to set up these manufacturers that it's much cheaper to keep more inventory than less. Speaker 700:28:46Okay. And just to clarify, if you follow your PAS in early November, would the review actually take up to 4 months or is based on the FDA shortage, office, would do think it's going to be shorter than that? Speaker 200:29:03Well, we absolutely believe Andre that we have and we will have the information needed to accelerate the review. Unfortunately, they have not confirmed that to us and it's not a surprise quite frankly because they have to hear back from the compliance division first. And the compliance division is working with our CDMO and they need to see the finalization, the final report of their corrective measures. So this is a stepwise approach. What makes me believe that we're not going to face drug shortage at the patient level is that they have sufficient time to review our PAS submission until we actually run out of medicine mid January. Speaker 200:29:48I would not understand why they would in that case knowing that we could face drug shortage, I would not understand why they would actually take up their 120 days. That's specifically why the drug shortage staff exist. And all the divisions have to work together. So I'm absolutely confident that we'll find all the information needed to convince them to review our PF filing in a period of time that will not actually lead to drug shortage. Speaker 700:30:26Okay. That's good. And just in terms of TH-nineteen oh two, can we get an approximate timeline and when the final data would be out? Is that going to be in 2024 calendar year or 2025, do you think? Speaker 200:30:42Christian, do you want to provide an update? Speaker 400:30:45Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely, Adi. First of all, Adi, we are it's progressing well. As you know, we had some AEs when we're administering the drug every 3 weeks now that it is the new regimen on a weekly basis with 1 week break, 3 weeks of treatment followed by 1 week break at the highest dose, which is the 2.5 milligram per kg, which was similar, you remember the 300 milligram per meter square of the 3 weeks. We don't see any VLT, which is a very good sign. Speaker 400:31:16It shows that eventually we can probably give more drug. And in terms of the overall analysis, it should probably come towards the later part of this year. Speaker 700:31:26Okay, that's great. Thanks. That's it for me. Operator00:31:40The next question comes from Louise Chen with Cantor. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:31:47Good morning, everyone. This is Kirby on for Luis from Cantor. Thank you for taking our questions. First, can you discuss the strategy to ensure the sustainability of your EBITDA and bottom line performance that you've been able to generate the last few quarters? Secondly, given the current status on EGRIFTA supply from a growth perspective, how might EGRIFTA sales growth look like in 2025 versus this year? Speaker 800:32:13Thank you. Speaker 200:32:15So second question I'm going to ask John in a moment, but Fidip for the first part, do you want to go ahead please? Speaker 300:32:21Sure. So as I said in my speech, Kavy, the structure the operating structure that we have right now is really ideal for both Trogarzo and EGRIFTA. So it's not that we've been cutting costs and to the detriment of generating new scripts and top line, we're really ideally positioned. So we see any growth in top line in the next year or 2 will flow straight to the bottom line. We're not going to have to spend a lot more. Speaker 300:32:57The cuts that we took did not affect any of our operating performance. So we're in a really good position. John? Speaker 600:33:07Yes. So in terms of performance for next year, we do anticipate that sales would be a little bit lighter early in Q1, but we think that would just completely reverse, so later in the quarter. So we have roughly 2.5 weeks at our wholesaler. We have 30 days roughly in the at the specialty pharmacy level. So that's 6.5 weeks of inventory. Speaker 600:33:33When that gets depleted down to very low levels, we'll just see very large orders later in the quarter. So assuming things go as Paul laid out, then Q1 should be basically a wash. Speaker 200:33:48So this is important to stress again. Ex factory sales will be affected in the Q4, which is not related to demand. And as soon as we actually have the release of that batch, we will make up for sales. And we have enough in the distribution pipeline for 6 weeks. So we have until mid January to be able to serve our patients. Speaker 900:34:16Got it. That's helpful. Thanks so much. Operator00:34:23This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Paul Levesque. Speaker 300:34:31Before we turn over to Paul, there's a few questions on the webcast. So one is on Trogarzo, John. Please give us more color on why you expect Trogarzo sales to stabilize in 2025? Speaker 600:34:50Well, as we look at unique patients and where they are trending, it has sort of stabilized in the last 4 to 5 months. Plus, you see sort of as we had more patients earlier on, as more patients drop off, we're getting more patients dropping off than we are coming in, you see a more rapid decline. But as that begins to stabilize moving forward, then we see things leveling off. So our what we anticipated in terms of enrollments, we're right there. So we're not seeing any further decline in enrollments. Speaker 600:35:27And so we anticipate going forward that things have sort of leveled out where they are. Speaker 300:35:33And there's a question also, how would you characterize your ability to meet the loan covenants with Marathon? So right now, there's 2 main covenants, the liquidity covenant, which is at $17,500,000 and we have $40,000,000 in the bank. So we're fine there. We're also building quite a cushion on the adjusted EBITDA line covenant because this is a rolling 12 month covenant. And as we continuously beat our own expectations, we're building more of a cushion. Speaker 300:36:07And there's a second part to this question, have you had discussions on waivers? We haven't because we don't need them. Obviously, if the EGRIFTA shortage goes into 2025 deeper in the year, we'll definitely have to talk to them, but that's really not the plan right now. So we're in Speaker 200:36:25very good position with the Marathon credit facility. And that's it, Paul, for questions. So you can Well, thank you everyone for attending the call today. Our bottom line is strong as demonstrated by nearly $12,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA year to date and the increase to our guidance. No doubt, we will continue to maximize our profitability through the sustained growth of EGRIFTA SV and the planned expansion of our product portfolio. Speaker 200:36:56We are seizing every opportunity to leverage our commercial experience and expertise across North America and I look forward to updating you on key developments. Again, thank you for your support and have a great day. Operator00:37:16The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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Email Address About TheratechnologiesTheratechnologies (NASDAQ:THTX), a biopharmaceutical company, focuses on the development and commercialization of various therapies to address the unmet medical needs in the United States, Canada, and Europe. The company offers EGRIFTA SV for the reduction of excess abdominal fat in human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)-infected patients with lipodystrophy; and Trogarzo for the treatment of HIV-1 infection in heavily treatment-experienced adults with multidrug-resistant HIV-1 infection failing their current antiretroviral regimen. Its pipeline products include F8 Formulation that is in Phase 2b/3 clinical trials for studying tesamorelin for the treatment of nonalcoholic steatohepatitis; multi -dose pen injector for the administration of tesamorelin; SORT1+ Technology Platform for the development of proprietary peptides for cancer drug development targeting SORT1 receptors; Sudocetaxel Zendusortide, which is in Phase 1 Clinical Trial for various solid tumor types, including HR+ breast, triple negative breast, ovarian, endometrial, melanoma, thyroid, small cell lung, and prostate cancers. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Theratechnologies' 3rd Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. We would like to remind everyone that all figures on this call are quoted in U. S. Dollars. Operator00:00:15At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session with analysts. Instructions will be provided at the time for you to queue up for questions. Following the analyst Q and A session, investors wishing to submit a question may do so by clicking the Ask a Question link on the webcast platform. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, Thursday, October 10, 2024 at 8:30 am Eastern Time. Operator00:01:00I will now turn the call over to Julia Schneiderman, Senior Director of Communications and Corporate Affairs at Theratechnologies. Julie, please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:11Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. On the call today will be Theratechnologies' President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Paul Levesque and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Philippe Dubuc. During the Q and A session, they will be joined by Doctor. Speaker 100:01:29Christian Marsolais, Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer and John Leisure, the company's Global Commercial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that remarks today contain forward looking statements regarding the company's current and future plans, expectations and intentions with respect to future events. Forward looking statements are based on assumptions and there are risks that results obtained by Theratechnologies may differ materially from those statements. As such, the company cannot guarantee that any forward looking statement will materialize and you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on them. The company refers current and potential investors to the forward looking information section of Theratechnologies Management's Discussion and Analysis issued this morning and available on SEDAR plus atsedarplus. Speaker 100:02:23Ca and on EDGAR at www.sec.gov. Forward looking statements represent Theratechnologies' expectations as of this morning, October 10, 2024. Additionally, today, the company is using the term adjusted EBITDA, which is not a financial measure under International Financial Reporting Standards or U. S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, adjusted EBITDA excludes the effects of items that primarily reflect the impact of long term investment and financing decisions rather than the results of day to day operations. Speaker 100:03:02Theratechnologies believes that this measure can be a useful indicator of its operational performance and financial condition from one period to another. The company uses this non IFRS measure to make financial, strategic and operating decisions. Reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to net loss is found in our MD and A issued this morning available on SEDAR Plus and on EDGAR at the web addresses mentioned earlier. Investors can also follow the company on LinkedIn and X, formerly Twitter, and sign up for alerts on Theratechnologies' investor website at theratech.com. With that, I would now like to turn the conference over to our President and CEO, Paul Levesque. Speaker 200:03:47Thank you, Judy. Hello, everyone, and good morning. I am pleased to be reporting on Theratechnologies' financial results for the Q3 ended August 31, 2024. As I explained during our Q2 call, we have embarked on the new chapter at Theratechnologies focused on commercializing innovative treatments. This strategic pivot coupled with a cost structure that is fit for purpose has enabled the company to achieve profitability and deliver on our commitment to shareholders to be adjusted EBITDA positive quarter after quarter. Speaker 200:04:25In fact, in a short period of time, the turnaround is nothing short of spectacular. As you have seen today, our Q3 did not disappoint and we have continued to demonstrate strength on the bottom line with an adjusted EBITDA figure of $7,200,000 and a net profit of $3,000,000 Revenues for the quarter are also trending positively, up 8% from the same period last year and driven by our engine of growth EGRIFTA SV. Enrollments, unique patients and unit sold of EGRIFTA SV reached double digit growth year to date compared to the same period last year. In fact, in the last 6 months of EGRIFTA SV has recorded the drug has recorded its best performance in recent history capturing patients and new prescribers at the non precedented rate. By highlighting EGRIFTA SV's unique value proposition, we've been able to differentiate the therapy from weight loss drugs where the focus is on BMI. Speaker 200:05:29EGRIFTA SV reduces visceral abdominal fat, which if left untreated can lead to serious medical condition and is easily identifiable by measurement of waist circumference. Trogarzo remains one of the few options for the management of HIV multi drug resistance. While it has been facing strong competition over Speaker 300:05:53the past year, new prescriptions and refills of Trogarzo have stabilized and we do not expect further declines next year. Now, as previously announced in September, our CDMO responsible for the manufacturing of EGRIFTA SV implemented an unexpected voluntary shutdown following an FDA inspection in order to implement corrective measures to their plant. Speaker 200:06:20As a result, the production of 2 batches of EGRIFTA SB were canceled, thus creating pressure on current inventory. It is important note that the corrective measures have nothing to do with the manufacturing process of our medicine, but rather with the environment in which the product is manufactured. I want to be clear that this situation will have no impact at the patient level in 2024. However, we believe it will have an impact on ex factory sales in the Q4 and in turn total revenue for full year 2024. Given this and considering current trends for Trogarzo, we are changing a top line revenue guidance to be between $83,000,000 $85,000,000 This change does not reflect demand for EGRIFTA ASV, which in recent history has never been so strong across all metrics, new patients, unique patients and unit sold. Speaker 200:07:18The new guidance reflects a constrained supply situation. Despite the circumstances affecting our top line, we're happy to firm up guidance for adjusted EBITDA, increasing it to $17,000,000 to $19,000,000 from $13,000,000 to $15,000,000 This is a result of adapting our cost structure to our new strategic direction of refocusing efforts on commercial activities. With a cash position of close to $39,000,000 and such a robust trajectory for adjusted EBITDA, we are in a strong position to take things to the next level. Looking to 2025, I want to share the latest information we have on the supply of EGRIFTA ASV. Our CDMO has reconfirmed it will resume activities mid October and a manufacturing slot for EGRIFTA ASV scheduled for the week of October 21. Speaker 200:08:15Theratechnologies will file a prior authorization supplement or PES with the review division. The PES will include the remediation plan implemented by our CDMO and we expect to summit in early November. While we expect to have very limited supply of EGRIFTA as we in the latter part of November in terms of ex factory sales, there will be still a 6 week inventory held at the wholesaler and specialty pharmacy level. This will be enough drug to meet patient demand until mid January. The FDA has up to 120 days to approve the PAS and enable the batch to be released. Speaker 200:08:59As such, we took the precautionary step to modify or to notify rather the FDA drug shortage staff of the situation and also advise the market. We are working closely with all stakeholders and remain confident that any impact on patients in 2025 will be avoided. Moreover, we believe that in the 1st part of 2025, we will fully make up for sales not recorded in the Q4 of 2024. We will continue to update the market as things becomes available. Turning to the F8 formulation of tesamorelin, I want to provide an update on our timelines for resubmission to the FDA. Speaker 200:09:47Following our Type A meeting with the FDA, we believe we have addressed all of the agency's questions, including the ones related to immunogenicity and microbiology, and I'm confident these pieces are behind us. We expect to have the file completed shortly and intend to submit by the end of November. The FDA has confirmed a 4 month review. It is also important to note that our CDMO for DF8 is not the same as our manufacturer for DF4. Our team believes strongly in the benefits of TESAM Orlin as the only FDA approved treatment of its kind for people with HIV and lipodystrophy, and we are all hands on deck to bring this new formulation to market and to continue sharing our value proposition in new data. Speaker 200:10:37Next week, 3 Theratechnologies poster will be presented at ID Week in Los Angeles. ID Week is one of the foremost scientific conferences in this field. One poster presents data linking excess visceral abdominal fat or EVAF to increase cardiovascular risk in people with HIV, while a second poster documents how use of tesamorlin to reduce excess visceral abdominal fat can lower cardiovascular disease risk in people with HIV. Another posters of will report on the study design and baseline characteristics of the PROMISE U. S. Speaker 200:11:19Trial, an observational real world study of abelizumab in heavily treatment experienced patients with multidrug resistance. We've also had the recent publications on ebilizumab data in the Journal of AIDS. As people live longer with HIV and with greater exposure to antiretroviral medicines. They may experience higher amounts of excess visceral abdominal fat and risk multidrug resistance. We look forward to sharing our findings with HIV clinicians and researchers into contributing to the scientific and treatment discourse on HIV. Speaker 200:11:58In keeping with our commitment to adding value through medical activities, I would like to provide an update on our ongoing Phase 1 clinical trial of pseudocetaxelzendusortide, our lead investigational PDC candidate. At this time, recruitment for both cohorts in advanced ovarian cancer has been completed. We've had no reports of DLTs including neuropathy and toxicity. 1 patient remains in the trial at the higher dose of 2.5 milligram per kilogram and we plan to share results once the last patient has completed treatment and the overall data analysis is finalized. Our strengthened financial positioning, in particular our bottom line performance and cash position has changed many things for us, opening the door to new possibilities and collaborations. Speaker 200:12:55We have doubled down on our efforts to find new products to market and to enter into partnerships. To this end, we've made significant progress in our search for new products both in the U. S. And in Canada. Based on our experience with EGRIFTA and Trogarzo as well as the commercial capabilities we have built, we are uniquely positioned to in license and bring to market innovative therapies that challenge the standard of care in rare or niche markets. Speaker 200:13:26This requires a specialized set of skills and experience managing regulatory and market access requirements and specialized patient support initiatives. We are confident that Theratechnologies has a compelling value proposition to offer. Our North American focused strategy is very clear and we are confident we can achieve our long term objective of delivering sustained top and bottom line growth and value for shareholders. With this, I'd like to turn the call over to Philippe, who will go over the Pierry's financials in details. Philippe? Speaker 200:14:01Thank you, Paul, and good morning, everyone. Speaker 300:14:04I'm pleased to report that we've recorded another strong quarter, both on the top and bottom lines with net sales of $22,600,000 or 8.4% growth versus the same quarter last year. Furthermore, I want to highlight that the efforts to reorganize the cost structure of the company are continuing to pay off with $7,200,000 of adjusted EBITDA or close to 30% of revenues and we recorded a net profit of about $3,000,000 for the quarter or $0.06 per share. I can now say that we've built a high performing organization that can take on additional challenges as just mentioned by Paul. For the Q3 of fiscal 2024, net sales of EGRIFTA SV reached $16,700,000 compared to $13,200,000 in Q3 of last year, which represents a 27% increase year over year. As mentioned previously, inventory levels have reverted to normal levels and we should continue to see that going forward. Speaker 300:15:13For the 9 month period ended August 31, EGRIFTA revenues have grown 16%, which is supported by our key performance indicators such as new enrollments and total unique patients. Trogarzo net sales in the 3rd quarter amounted to $5,900,000 compared to $7,700,000 for the same quarter last year. The decrease was mainly due to lower unit sales in the quarter as compared to last year, mostly Speaker 400:15:42as Speaker 300:15:42a result of competitive pressures in the multidrug resistant segment of the HIV-one market. This impact is stabilizing as sales of Trogarzo units to pharmacies have grown slightly in Q3 compared to Q2 of this year. In the Q3 of 2024, cost of sales came in at $4,500,000 down from $5,000,000 in the same quarter of last year. EGRIFTA gross margins for EGRIFTA were 91%, which is in line with historical values and Trogarzo margins were at 48% consistent with the terms of the TimeNet agreement. Again in the Q3 of 2024, the rigorous management of spending in R and D, selling and G and A expense helped us achieve our 5th straight quarter of strong adjusted EBITDA as established as an objective early in 2023. Speaker 300:16:40Adjusted EBITDA for the past 4 quarters was $17,400,000 which is why we increased our guidance this morning to $17,000,000 to $19,000,000 for 2024. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be flat to slightly positive in the 4th quarter compared to Q4 of last year, mainly because of the shortfall anticipated to the supply constraints discussed earlier. Although this shortfall will affect our revenues in Q4, patient supply will not be affected until mid January, if at all, as there is inventory both at McKesson, our distributor and at the specialty pharmacy level. R and D expenses again decreased substantially in the Q3 of 2020 4 compared to the same period last year, mostly due to lower spending on our oncology program as well as lower expenses following the near completion of our lifecycle management projects for both EGRIFTA SV and Trogarzo. R and D expenses came in at $2,600,000 versus $5,400,000 last year for a 52% decrease. Speaker 300:17:58Selling expenses came in at $6,300,000 for Q3 compared to $6,700,000 for the same period last year. Selling expenses have stabilized in the past few quarters and should continue at roughly the same level in the next few quarters as the focus on top and bottom line growth remains our main objective. G and A expenses in the Q3 of 2024 amounted to $3,000,000 as compared to $3,700,000 for the Q3 of 2023 or a 19% decrease. The decrease in G and A expenses is largely due to our decision to focus on our U. S. Speaker 300:18:40Commercial operations and on controlling expenses. Again, these expenses are expected to stabilize going forward as evidenced by the similar level of expenses in Q2 of this year. As you can see from our reduction of expenses in R and D and G and A, in the past 6 quarters, we have now rightsized the organization to ensure that we are well on our way in our journey towards showing strong growth in adjusted EBITDA. As a result of this, we are pleased to report adjusted EBITDA in the 3rd quarter of $7,200,000 versus $2,200,000 in the same period last year, a significant improvement of $5,000,000 a combination of top line growth and realignment of spending. Net finance costs in the Q3 amounted to $2,400,000 and include interest of $2,300,000 on the Marathon loan facility. Speaker 300:19:39As per the credit agreement, we have initiated the reimbursement of the principal in August 2024 and the loan will be amortized over a 36 month period. Our strong operations generate solid cash flow enabling us to repay the facility in the contracted amounts of $5,000,000 per quarter. Even considering the 1st monthly repayment of the credit facility, we ended the 3rd quarter on solid financial footing with cash, bonds and money market funds at the end of the quarter amounting to $39,000,000 an increase of close to $3,000,000 over Q2 of 2024 and we ended the quarter with $58,900,000 drawn on the Marathon facility for a net debt position of $20,000,000 I'm also happy to report that we recorded a net profit of $3,000,000 or $0.06 per share in the Q3 of 2024. As Paul briefly alluded to in his remarks, we are revising our guidance this morning for revenues of $83,000,000 to $85,000,000 for fiscal 2024 and increasing our guidance for adjusted EBITDA to between $17,000,000 $19,000,000 even as we include the spending on our oncology program this year, pointing to the continued strong performance of our commercial operations for the remainder of the year. As previously mentioned, any additional spending on oncology after the completion of the Phase 1 trial will be carried out through partnerships. Speaker 300:21:18So this program will no longer affect our adjusted EBITDA in 2025 beyond. With that, Paul will be back for final comments. But first, we will now open the call to take your questions. We will start by taking questions from analysts. Operator? Operator00:21:38We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question today comes from Justin Walsh with Jones Trading. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:22:17Hi, thanks for taking the questions. I was wondering if you can provide any color on the remediation efforts being undertaken by the manufacturer and maybe outline some potential contingency plans if EGRIFTA SP manufacturing does not resume in mid October? Speaker 200:22:35Thank you, Justin for the question. So, it is a complex situation, but we are in discussion almost every day with the manufacturers so that we can confirm the sequence of events that I have highlighted in my speech. And it comes down to making a submission of the PAS filing that will be comprehensive, which will come from the full appreciation of the collective measures. And as soon as we hear back from our CDMO and their interaction with their compliance division, that will give us all ammunition needed to go back to the review division and work with the drug shortage staff to engage with our review division so that they expedite the review. And quite frankly, they don't need to do it in 15 days. Speaker 200:23:29They don't need to do it even in 30 days, we have enough supply at the patient level up the way until mid January. So we are confident that that period of time is long enough for the agency to approve the releasing of the batch that will be produced the week of October 21. So John, when it comes down to handling of the stock that we currently have, what do you have lining up? Speaker 600:23:59Well, this is why we're managing inventory more closely in the Q4 just to ensure that we have equal distribution amongst all our specialty pharmacy partners. And we're working with our patient support program then to ensure we get product to the right location for the right patients. So I think that's how we're managing that Justin. Speaker 300:24:22And just maybe to add to Justin, we do have another slot that is reserved after the 1 in the week of October 21. So we actually have multiple slots coming up. So if that one doesn't happen, there's more in the back of it. Speaker 500:24:39Got it. And I was wondering if there's any sort of comment you can have on color for the timing expectations for the BD activity and potentially accretive assets there? And that's it for me. Thanks. Speaker 200:24:55Yes. Well, I mean, we've been active for a certain period of time and I cannot tell you what I cannot tell you. However, I just want to tell you again that this new situation that we're in when it comes down to being stronger on the bottom line of the firm with a strong cash position and you see the rhythm of the numbers now when it comes down to generating EBITDA. So we are in a much, much in much better position than we used to be. We believe in the capabilities that John and his team have built in the U. Speaker 200:25:32S. You've seen how robust the performance of EGRIFTA is turning to be in an environment that was unsure a year ago. So we're going to build on all of this and quite frankly it hasn't gone unnoticed by some of the biotechs in the U. S. That might need a partner to advance their science. Speaker 200:25:52And I just want to stress again that this organization has a track record for establishing the science. So we do have medical activities on the ground. We're capable of conducting medical to medical sessions so that we can establish new medicines. And there are many firms of our size in the U. S. Speaker 200:26:15That actually specialize in 505s. We sell innovation and we're proud of that and that's the type of product that we're after. So stay tuned for the next phases of announcement, okay? Operator00:26:32The next question comes from Andre Uddin with Research Capital. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:26:38Thank you. Hi, Paul, Philippe, Christian and John. Just in terms of looking at innovative products that you'd add to your portfolio, are you only looking at commercially available assets and with those drugs be in license or required and would you also build the Canadian sales force? Speaker 200:27:00So, we are looking a couple of things. We're looking at the territories we master the most. So obviously the U. S. And Canada, we have capabilities in Canada as you can imagine being located here. Speaker 200:27:15If we need to actually set up a field force either in the U. S. Or Canada, we will. Obviously, the value proposition coming from an in license or acquisition has to be compelling. So we'll look at this very closely and we wanted to be accretive as fast as possible. Speaker 200:27:34So that doesn't mean that there's not going to be any period of time to ramp up to get access and reimbursement. But to answer your question again, what is most important to us is the value proposition. We want to challenge standard of care. And if there are some drugs in the U. S. Speaker 200:27:52That are deprioritized by big pharma or small pharma companies, we are interested in making acquisition of that too. So it could be a mix of what you just mentioned. Speaker 700:28:05Okay, that's great. Thanks, Paul. And just in terms of EGRIFTA, do you plan on setting up a backup facility going forward? Speaker 200:28:15Did it, do you want to take that question? No, I Speaker 300:28:18don't think we'll need to. First of all, we're hoping to launch the F8 next year. We have another manufacturer. And what we'll do is build up a solid inventory so that we have 1 or 2 years of material. So it's so expensive to set up these manufacturers that it's much cheaper to keep more inventory than less. Speaker 700:28:46Okay. And just to clarify, if you follow your PAS in early November, would the review actually take up to 4 months or is based on the FDA shortage, office, would do think it's going to be shorter than that? Speaker 200:29:03Well, we absolutely believe Andre that we have and we will have the information needed to accelerate the review. Unfortunately, they have not confirmed that to us and it's not a surprise quite frankly because they have to hear back from the compliance division first. And the compliance division is working with our CDMO and they need to see the finalization, the final report of their corrective measures. So this is a stepwise approach. What makes me believe that we're not going to face drug shortage at the patient level is that they have sufficient time to review our PAS submission until we actually run out of medicine mid January. Speaker 200:29:48I would not understand why they would in that case knowing that we could face drug shortage, I would not understand why they would actually take up their 120 days. That's specifically why the drug shortage staff exist. And all the divisions have to work together. So I'm absolutely confident that we'll find all the information needed to convince them to review our PF filing in a period of time that will not actually lead to drug shortage. Speaker 700:30:26Okay. That's good. And just in terms of TH-nineteen oh two, can we get an approximate timeline and when the final data would be out? Is that going to be in 2024 calendar year or 2025, do you think? Speaker 200:30:42Christian, do you want to provide an update? Speaker 400:30:45Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely, Adi. First of all, Adi, we are it's progressing well. As you know, we had some AEs when we're administering the drug every 3 weeks now that it is the new regimen on a weekly basis with 1 week break, 3 weeks of treatment followed by 1 week break at the highest dose, which is the 2.5 milligram per kg, which was similar, you remember the 300 milligram per meter square of the 3 weeks. We don't see any VLT, which is a very good sign. Speaker 400:31:16It shows that eventually we can probably give more drug. And in terms of the overall analysis, it should probably come towards the later part of this year. Speaker 700:31:26Okay, that's great. Thanks. That's it for me. Operator00:31:40The next question comes from Louise Chen with Cantor. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:31:47Good morning, everyone. This is Kirby on for Luis from Cantor. Thank you for taking our questions. First, can you discuss the strategy to ensure the sustainability of your EBITDA and bottom line performance that you've been able to generate the last few quarters? Secondly, given the current status on EGRIFTA supply from a growth perspective, how might EGRIFTA sales growth look like in 2025 versus this year? Speaker 800:32:13Thank you. Speaker 200:32:15So second question I'm going to ask John in a moment, but Fidip for the first part, do you want to go ahead please? Speaker 300:32:21Sure. So as I said in my speech, Kavy, the structure the operating structure that we have right now is really ideal for both Trogarzo and EGRIFTA. So it's not that we've been cutting costs and to the detriment of generating new scripts and top line, we're really ideally positioned. So we see any growth in top line in the next year or 2 will flow straight to the bottom line. We're not going to have to spend a lot more. Speaker 300:32:57The cuts that we took did not affect any of our operating performance. So we're in a really good position. John? Speaker 600:33:07Yes. So in terms of performance for next year, we do anticipate that sales would be a little bit lighter early in Q1, but we think that would just completely reverse, so later in the quarter. So we have roughly 2.5 weeks at our wholesaler. We have 30 days roughly in the at the specialty pharmacy level. So that's 6.5 weeks of inventory. Speaker 600:33:33When that gets depleted down to very low levels, we'll just see very large orders later in the quarter. So assuming things go as Paul laid out, then Q1 should be basically a wash. Speaker 200:33:48So this is important to stress again. Ex factory sales will be affected in the Q4, which is not related to demand. And as soon as we actually have the release of that batch, we will make up for sales. And we have enough in the distribution pipeline for 6 weeks. So we have until mid January to be able to serve our patients. Speaker 900:34:16Got it. That's helpful. Thanks so much. Operator00:34:23This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Paul Levesque. Speaker 300:34:31Before we turn over to Paul, there's a few questions on the webcast. So one is on Trogarzo, John. Please give us more color on why you expect Trogarzo sales to stabilize in 2025? Speaker 600:34:50Well, as we look at unique patients and where they are trending, it has sort of stabilized in the last 4 to 5 months. Plus, you see sort of as we had more patients earlier on, as more patients drop off, we're getting more patients dropping off than we are coming in, you see a more rapid decline. But as that begins to stabilize moving forward, then we see things leveling off. So our what we anticipated in terms of enrollments, we're right there. So we're not seeing any further decline in enrollments. Speaker 600:35:27And so we anticipate going forward that things have sort of leveled out where they are. Speaker 300:35:33And there's a question also, how would you characterize your ability to meet the loan covenants with Marathon? So right now, there's 2 main covenants, the liquidity covenant, which is at $17,500,000 and we have $40,000,000 in the bank. So we're fine there. We're also building quite a cushion on the adjusted EBITDA line covenant because this is a rolling 12 month covenant. And as we continuously beat our own expectations, we're building more of a cushion. Speaker 300:36:07And there's a second part to this question, have you had discussions on waivers? We haven't because we don't need them. Obviously, if the EGRIFTA shortage goes into 2025 deeper in the year, we'll definitely have to talk to them, but that's really not the plan right now. So we're in Speaker 200:36:25very good position with the Marathon credit facility. And that's it, Paul, for questions. So you can Well, thank you everyone for attending the call today. Our bottom line is strong as demonstrated by nearly $12,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA year to date and the increase to our guidance. No doubt, we will continue to maximize our profitability through the sustained growth of EGRIFTA SV and the planned expansion of our product portfolio. Speaker 200:36:56We are seizing every opportunity to leverage our commercial experience and expertise across North America and I look forward to updating you on key developments. Again, thank you for your support and have a great day. Operator00:37:16The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by