CACI International Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 24, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the CACI International Fiscal 2025 First Quarter Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference call over to George Price, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Mandeep, and good morning, everyone. I'm George Price, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for CACI International. Thank you for joining us this morning. We are providing presentation slides, so let's move to Slide 2. There will be statements in this call that do not address historical fact and as such constitute forward looking statements under current law.

Speaker 1

These statements reflect our views as of today and are subject to important factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from anticipated. Those factors are listed at the bottom of last night's press release and are described in the company's SEC filings. Our Safe Harbor statement is included on this exhibit and should be incorporated as any part as part of any transcript of this call. I would also like to point out that our presentation will include discussion of non GAAP financial measures. These should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for performance measures prepared in accordance with GAAP.

Speaker 1

Let's turn to Slide 3, please. To open our discussion this morning, here's John Mengucci, President and Chief Executive Officer of CACI International. John?

Speaker 2

Thanks, George, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss our Q1 fiscal year 2025 results as well as our updated fiscal 2025 guidance. With me this morning is Jeff McLaughlin, our Chief Financial Officer. Let's go to Slide 4, please. Our Q1 results represent a great start to fiscal 2025.

Speaker 2

We delivered revenue growth of 11%, EBITDA margin of 10.5% and solid free cash flow. In addition, we won over $3,300,000,000 of awards, which represents a 1.6 times book to bill for the quarter and 1.8 times on a trailing 12 months basis. 1st quarter awards were a strong follow-up to a record Q4 and nearly 75% of our awards this quarter were for new work to CACI. During the quarter, we also executed purchase agreements for 2 strategic acquisitions, Azure Summit Technology and Applied Insight. Azure Summit remains on track to close during our Q2, while Applied Insight closed earlier this month.

Speaker 2

Both our strong first quarter organic performance and the addition of Applied Insight enables us to raise our FY 2020 5 guidance and Jeff will provide the financial details shortly. CDPI continues to be well positioned to drive long term growth and free cash flow per share and shareholder value, thanks to our exceptional business development function, our strong execution, our strategy of investing ahead of need and our flexible and opportunistic capital deployment. Slide 5 please.

Speaker 3

Our

Speaker 2

$3,300,000,000 of awards represents another strong quarter of business development performance. Let me briefly highlight a couple of the wins this quarter. We were awarded 2 separate contracts with the U. S. Navy to provide engineering expertise and technology that focused on accelerating the implementation of new capabilities to the warfighter.

Speaker 2

First, a 5 year task order valued at up to $805,000,000 with Naval X, the innovation arm of the Navy and U. S. Marine Corps to support the development and deployment of new technologies in areas such as artificial intelligence, command and control and cyber across their platforms and sensors. 2nd, a 5 year task loader valued at up to $314,000,000 with a naval undersea warfare center to support fleet readiness, accelerate implementation of new technology and enhance cyber resiliency for undersea warfare systems. Slide 6, please.

Speaker 2

Our strong track record of awards is driven by our strategy to address critical and enduring national security priorities, invest ahead of need and differentiated capabilities, bid less and win more and focus on larger longer duration programs. Equally important to the long term success of our business is superior execution after those contracts are won. Strong execution builds a track record of past performance, which together with the other elements of our strategy creates sustainable differentiation and enduring competitive advantage. Let me share a few examples of just how CACI is consistently executing at scale on our large programs. First, the Army's integrated personnel and pay system, which is referred to as Zips Army, is the largest and most complex PeopleSoft implementation in history.

Speaker 2

Since going live, the system has had over 1,000,000 distinct users and supports more than 140,000 users per day. This Army for the first time provides online integrated HR capabilities across the entire Army and is recognized as the model agile program within the service. Next, our enterprise IT as a service program with the Air Force known as ITAS continues to scale. Our new IT service management system has been seamlessly deployed to replace their old system and we are now supporting over 400,000 users exceeding the contract milestone by nearly 60% and tracking to over 600,000 users by the end of this calendar year. And most importantly, customer feedback has been extremely positive on the value, the speed and the responsiveness that we are delivering.

Speaker 2

In addition, we've met all milestones on our recent network modernization awards, including DIA, ECS3, Army SIPR Mod and Army Gen Mod. CCI is designing and deploying faster, more secure, software defined networks that not only enhance efficiency and reduce cyber vulnerabilities, but are also critical enablers of customer priorities like JADC2 and AI. And finally, we recently began ramping up and executing on our NASA NCAS contract. With this work underway, CECI is now executing the 3 largest agile software development programs in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Government. We continue to see a healthy pipeline of additional opportunities as the government increasingly adopts agile methodologies. Slide 7 please. I'm also pleased with the increasing demand we're seeing for our software defined RF technology. CACI has the right capabilities to meet our customers' critical needs in the current geopolitical environment today because we began to invest ahead of need over a decade ago.

Speaker 2

1st, our spectral program for the Navy has successfully completed the design phase and has shifted to development and integration. This is a major milestone on our program critical to our country's national security strategy. The Navy's goal is to bring enhanced capabilities to the fleet faster and CACI is making that possible. Next, on our TLS Manpack program for the Army, we will begin deliveries against the previously announced $100,000,000 IDIQ this quarter. As a reminder, the TLS Manpack system allows dismounted soldiers to conduct signals detection, direction finding and electronic attack while on the move.

Speaker 2

CACI's technology enables the Army to dominate the electromagnetic spectrum and increasingly critical domain on today's battlefield and one where the U. S. Is still in the early stages of modernization and investment. Our technology can also address counter UAS threats, a capability that was not previously available at the individual soldier level. We expect additional orders in FY 2025 as these critical capabilities are in high demand by our customers.

Speaker 2

Through our strategy of focusing on differentiated software defined technology, we are delivering speed and agility to our customers to address their most critical missions and increasingly setting CACI apart from a wide range of competitors. Slide 8 please. We continue to execute on flexible and opportunistic capital deployment strategy where we evaluate M and A, share repurchases, debt repayment and other actions based on the dynamics we see at the time. Our M and A program focuses on filling gaps in our capabilities, our customer presence and past performance. And on this front, we recently announced 2 fantastic acquisitions.

Speaker 2

First in September, we announced a definitive agreement to purchase Azure Summit. Azure Summit is a provider of innovative high performance RF technology and engineering focused on the electromagnetic spectrum. Strategically, they have established and complementary technology and expand our customer presence. Financially, Ezra Summit will be accretive to CACI's EBITDA margin, adjusted EPS and free cash flow per share in the 1st year. And they have strong ultra alignment with CACI and bring an exceptionally talented workforce.

Speaker 2

In addition, in earlier this month, we completed the acquisition of Applied Insight, a company that fills gaps by enhancing our capabilities and customer presence around cloud migration and AI, particularly in the intelligence community. Applied Insight utilizes repeatable tools and technology that enable faster, more efficient cloud migration, particularly within classified cloud environments. They also have several existing contracts with intelligence community customers to provide AI and machine learning technology development. And financially, they are similarly accretive to CACI in the 1st year like Azure Summit. Slide 9 please.

Speaker 2

We continue to monitor the government fiscal year 2025 budget process closely. As with most years, government fiscal year 2025 began under a continuing resolution, which last through December 20. We've prepared for a number of scenarios, most of which we believe are addressed within our guidance range. We typically do not see a material impact from CRs, though they can sometimes influence the quarter to quarter timing of shorter cycle revenue like our software defined technology deliveries. We continue to see customer demand being driven by geopolitical dynamics, elevated global threat environment and the pacing capabilities of our adversaries.

Speaker 2

National security remains bipartisan and budgets are healthy with an upward bias. CECI is well positioned in areas of enduring demand with deep resilient funding streams. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jeff. Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 4

Please turn to Slide 10. In the Q1, we generated revenue of nearly $2,100,000,000 representing 11.2% growth of which 9.9% was organic. The balance was generated by the 3 acquisitions that we made in our fiscal 2024. First quarter EBITDA margins of 10.5 percent represent a year over year increase of 110 basis points, which was driven primarily by business mix and timing. Adjusted diluted earnings per share of $5.93 were 36% higher than a year ago.

Speaker 4

Greater operating income along with lower interest expense and a lower share count more than offset a higher income tax provision. 1st quarter operating cash flow excluding our accounts receivable purchase facility was $61,000,000 reflecting strong profitability and cash collections, partially offset by some of the working capital factors we discussed last quarter. Days sales outstanding or DSO of 47 days was a slight uptick from Q4's record low as we continue to efficiently manage working capital. Free cash flow of $49,000,000 for the quarter was in line with our expectations. Slide 11, please.

Speaker 4

As John discussed, subsequent to the conclusion of the Q1, we closed on the Applied Insight acquisition and we remain on track to close Azure Summit during the quarter as we previously indicated. Our pro form a leverage following the completion of both transactions will be 3.2 times. As we've demonstrated in the past, the healthy long term cash flow characteristics of our business allow us to quickly delever to our target range. This means that as always, we remain well positioned to continue deploying capital in a flexible and opportunistic manner to drive long term growth in free cash flow per share and shareholder value. Slide 12, please.

Speaker 4

We're pleased to be raising our fiscal 2025 guidance. This increase is due to the ongoing momentum of our organic business as well as the recently completed acquisition of Applied Insight. We're raising our revenue guidance to be between $8,100,000,000 $8,300,000,000 $75,000,000 of this increase is driven by the organic performance of the business, while the balance is from the inclusion of Applied Insight. This represents growth of 8.6% to 11.3% on an underlying basis. In addition, we now expect fiscal 2025 EBITDA margin to be toward the upper end of the high 10s range we previously communicated, driven by the strength of the organic business, increased visibility of some of our software defined technology sales and the inclusion of Applied Insight.

Speaker 4

As a result of our updated revenue and EBITDA margin outlook, we're also increasing our FY 2025 adjusted net income guidance accordingly to be between $515,000,000 five $35,000,000 with an attendant increase in adjusted EPS to be between $22.89 $23.78 per share. And finally, we are increasing our free cash flow guidance to at least $435,000,000 due to higher organic growth as well as the income contribution of Applied Insight net of increased interest expense. Please note that additional details of our updated guidance have been included in our presentation to assist you with your modeling. Additionally, as previously mentioned, Azure Summit will be included in our guidance during our normal cadence once it has closed. We continue to work through the customary closing process and remain confident it will occur during the Q2, most likely sooner rather than later.

Speaker 4

Slide 13, please. Turning to forward indicators, our trailing 12 months book to bill ratio of 1.8 times reflects strong performance in the marketplace. Our record backlog of $32,400,000,000 increased over 21% from a year ago and represents just under 4 years of annual revenue. These metrics provide good long term visibility into the strength of our business. For fiscal 2025, we now expect approximately 89% of our revenue to come from existing programs, with approximately 8% coming from recompetes and just over 3% from new business.

Speaker 4

Progress on these metrics reflects our successful business development and operational performance and yields increased confidence in our expectations for the year. In terms of our pipeline, we have $4,000,000,000 of bids under evaluation around 80% of which are for new business CACI. We expect to submit another $13,000,000,000 in bids over the next two quarters with over 70% of that being for new business. In summary, we delivered outstanding Q1 results and deployed capital in a flexible and opportunistic manner to bring additive capabilities and customer presence to CACI. We continue to win and execute high value enduring work that supports long term growth, increased free cash flow per share and additional shareholder value.

Speaker 4

And with that, I'll turn the call back over to John.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jeff. Let's go to Slide 14. Overall, this has been a great start to our fiscal year 2025. We continue to successfully execute our strategy and are delivering strong performance as we ramp up large awards we've won over the past few years, along with strong on contract growth from our existing programs. We have added to our differentiated capabilities, customer access and employee talent with our acquisition of Applied Insight.

Speaker 2

As a result, we are pleased to be in a position to raise our fiscal 2025 guidance. In addition, we look forward to closing the Azure Summit acquisition shortly, welcoming them to CACI as well. We are well positioned in the right markets with the right capabilities and remain confident in our ability to drive long term growth, increase free cash flow per share and generate additional shareholder value. I look forward to discussing our business, our strategy and our longer term financial outlook in more detail during our Investor Day at the New York Stock Exchange on November 8. As is always the case, our success is driven by our employees' talent, their innovation and their commitment.

Speaker 2

To everyone on the CACI team, I'm proud of what you do each day and every day for our company and our nation. And to our shareholders, I continue to thank you for your support of CACI. With that, Mondi, let's open the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Scott Micas with Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning and great numbers.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Scott. Good morning. Thank you.

Speaker 5

John, Jeff, I wanted to ask, we saw Minerac had some production issues with their optical communications terminals. They're supposed to be supplying a number of contractors for the Space Development Agency's Tranche 1 satellites. So I was just wondering, have any of their customers reached out to you and could this be an opportunity to gain share either on the Tranche 1 satellite or is this more an opportunity for Tranche 2 and beyond?

Speaker 2

Yes, Scott, thanks. Look in the area of photonics,

Speaker 4

we're

Speaker 2

seeing great success with our technology and strong demand from both government and primes. I'm not going to comment on where the other vendor is at today. I will share though that we have had discussions with other primes around that topic, but I'm not going to go into too many details there. What I would say is and as we have been saying over the last 6 quarters, we're that optical communication terminal provider It's proven, we're deployed, operational and tested in various orbits. As we share with many of the primes, where our technology is the most mature, That's not our words, that's our customers' words and a number of our major OEM primes words.

Speaker 2

They do come to us because we're the most mature and the lowest risk. And we're U. S. Designed and then manufactured. So we're still on track to 6 to 8 times number of deliveries that we did last year.

Speaker 2

I think I shared that during our guidance call. And we're still entertaining additional bids. So there's a long road ahead. It's very sizable and very profitable for us. And as always Scott, we're going to keep an eye and keep an eye around where everybody else is at and have discussions we need to make sure that the end customer is well served.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then I wanted to ask about Azure Summit. It seems like you could open up a lot of new doors for Kake. So are any other products exportable and could this open up a pathway for foreign military sales for Kake?

Speaker 2

Yes, Scott. Look, we're we've been talking about what our international plan is. And you should think about Azure Summit, Switchblade and other products that they delivered to be similar to all everything we've shared in our software based RF tech products. Look, they will be very applicable clearly immediately to all the 5 wise countries that we serve today. They are also very involved in a number of platforms in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Government inventory. So the path to international partnerships there, Scott, is really how do we take our software defined tech, put it into their signal processing rack and get that kit running well and where we can provide much more capability to our U. S. Customers.

Speaker 2

And then the step forward there of course is, have you look at Five Eyes, NATO and Eastern Europe and countries that not only sell our RF tech, but also be selling Switchblade and other products. So it's what drove it was one of the reasons that drove the acquisition. It is some of the gaps that Azure Summit fills and they are coming with a large number of really mission focused top notch engineering and technologists that will really set us well both in the domestic market for expansion there and then as we slowly but very aggressively work into the international market. Thanks,

Speaker 5

Scott. Perfect. Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 2

You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jan Engelbrecht with Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Good morning, John, Jeff and George. Congrats on another set of strong results. I just want to revisit some of the comments you made on the business update call with Azeris Summit and just your position that you'll have on the spectral contract after that transaction closes and any potential sort of future content that you can expand there. I was just looking at the justification documents for the Navy and it looks like essentially the spectral line item doubles from government fiscal year 'twenty five to 'twenty nine. So it looks attractive, but just wanted to get your thoughts there.

Speaker 2

Yes, Dan. Thanks. So if

Speaker 4

you look at the work that specs

Speaker 2

that address some of that today, They're on C increment F. So picture that as the next stage of the below deck signal suite that is on all U. S. Navy surface ships. So they are doing the next modification to that kit.

Speaker 2

That is a prime program that they won from a major prime a couple of years back and they're doing just an exquisite job beginning the production run up and the delivery. And that production run goes for the next 4 to 6 years. Spectral then gets built on top of InkF and that's where a lot of AI and machine learning comes in. We're going to process many more signals. And Azure is a subcontractor to us on spectrum.

Speaker 2

So if I zoomed up from those micro comments at a macro level, the next 10 years for surface shifts below deck and you can do with singles Intel, counter UAS and the like is going to come from the combination of CACI and what is now known as Azure Summit. We're very pleased with the work that we've done on spectral. We just were successful at a minimally viable product demonstration and test with the United States Navy. We'll be moving into further development and then getting into the implementation, the integration and the production stage another 12 to 18 months from now.

Speaker 6

Perfect. Thanks, John. That's really helpful. And then just a quick follow-up. Is there any meaningful just changes over the next couple of quarters or maybe the next year or 2 in terms of the contract mix?

Speaker 6

I know you previously called out, is there somewhat pricing which was just probably more fixed price versus the rest of CACI. But any large programs in backlog or new acquisitions that should close that we should think about in terms of fixed prices, the cost plus mix?

Speaker 2

Yes, Dan, I mean other than the fact that all of our software based technology is sold in a very similar manner that Azure's is. So to the extent that their revenue comes with direct tech sales, yes, then we'll see some level of firm fixed price work come up. We did move into a kind of material phase on the iFAS program. So if you look behind the release, you'll see where our time material is a little bit higher, but that's what's driving that. Jeff, anything that you see?

Speaker 4

No, you've got it. And that particularly the MyTAS T and M content will continue to ramp, we expect.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dan.

Speaker 6

Thanks, guys. I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mariana Perez Mora with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Great.

Speaker 7

So my question is around the election. And like I think everyone is kind of like used to a consumer resolution that goes into the end of the calendar year. But if we were to think about more noise around the election, like how you prepare to a longer continuing resolution probably going like into next year? And how can that affect, I don't know, the awarding time or how fast some of the awards that you have recently awarded or even the pipeline of opportunities that is like really exposed to new businesses and consumer resolution caps kind of like the start of those new businesses. How should we think about the impact of a longer consumer resolution?

Speaker 2

Marianne, this is John. Thank you. So when I hear election, I sort of think after the election and where do budgets go and the fact that defense for as long as we've been a country has always been a bipartisan effort. So I sort of work our way through that noise and really focused on budget because that's what we're focused on. Look, I think it's safe to say that CRs in an election year last longer than other CRs, but I've been surprised there in the past.

Speaker 2

How it impacts our business, as I tried to share in my prepared remarks, is that it can impact some of our shorter cycle purchase order based, software product awards. Now having said that, let's take a look at where our customers have gone in that regard. As we announced last quarter and during our guidance call, customers that were traditionally buying our software technology on purchase orders as funding became available have put in place IDIQs where they can do larger scale, larger bulk buys of that technology that we sell in a firm fixed price manner. A perfect example would be TLS Mann Pack, right, where we're building a common software framework that allows dismounted soldiers to do the same kinds of things, signal collection and the like and all the way up to kinetic and non Connecticut attack. But the customer has put in place buying structures where it's not considered any new program, and those programs have been adequately funded.

Speaker 2

So in the areas during my prepared remarks where you heard me talk about, we will look for additional volume or additional awards. Those are not underscore bold impacted by where this budget goes. At a macro level, I like to talk about it in the matter of we're an $8,000,000,000 company with a $250,000,000,000 industrial market throughout the United States government. Not as deep on the federal civilian area, but very, very deep in the intelligence community and the Department of Defense. So a large portion of the market that we can address is very, very rich.

Speaker 2

It's more than enough to support our future growth. I've said over and over, we're in deep and enduring funding streams and there's still a tremendous opportunity for growth. So I don't see the budget going forward, whether it's the President's budget, whether it's a mark from either of the potential new presidents coming into the position. National security priorities are going to drop a lot of what we heard, no pun intended. And I think we'll be fine, but it could move some quarter points around.

Speaker 2

Hopefully that gives you some additional color.

Speaker 7

Thank you. And then a little bit on M and A, if you could discuss like how is the competitive environment, if you have any deals or attractive deals in the pipeline? And especially like do you think there are any areas that you like to be exposed like particular customers and products that you can actually use to penetrate with your software solutions Or like how should we think about that?

Speaker 4

Yes. John will want to add to the strategy and the capability gaps a little bit. But we continue to see a really strong pipeline. We have a lot of opportunities and robust set of opportunities that we're working on. We have mentioned for a year or so that we expected valuation multiples to contract a little bit, which is consistent with our recent experience.

Speaker 4

And I'm going to say somewhat mechanically, we're committed to remaining very patient and disciplined acquirers. We have a very rigorous evaluation criteria. We spend a lot of energy making sure we're applying our precious capital in the right places and we continue to do so. But we see a good rich robust pipeline.

Speaker 2

I don't know about particular capabilities.

Speaker 5

Yes. I mean, I

Speaker 2

think everything is going to be around SIG and EW. We talked about cyber and space, IT modernization. I sort of look back and look at Azure Summit sort of covering down on the SIG and EW and cyber area. I look at Applied Insight covering down on the IT modernization area being able to do just moving even more applications to the cloud at lightning speed, at a much lower risk level. Look, anything that drives our expertise and our technology businesses, clearly we're very focused on the technology side.

Speaker 2

But really no other changes there and I'll foot stop what Chuck mentioned. Disciplined and patient are those words that we've been using over the last few years and I know many of you have been asking when is the next M and A coming. It sort of comes when it when the time is right. It's not highly predictable. But rest assured, we're always out there looking.

Speaker 2

We've looked at over 600 targets in the last 18 months. And we sort of call those down. We're an experienced acquisitive company. We've been doing it for 3 or 4 decades, and it works very, very well for us. So, Arianna, thanks for the questions.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer with Twist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning. This is Sid on for Tobey. Good morning. I'm hoping you can provide any details maybe on what your win rate has looked like recently and maybe if you can call out anything specifically that might be driving it a little bit different than what you've seen historically?

Speaker 2

Yes. When we talk about win rates, we sort of get into a place where we don't like to talk about, right? I've kind of provided some clarity there. Look, I'm going to start off with just how incredibly focused we are on recompete win rates. We're not a fan of losing our current book of business.

Speaker 2

We're not a fan of losing current customers. So we are very, very focused on recompete rates and those traditionally are all greater than 90%. So we actually leak a smaller percentage of next year's growth dollars by losing rate he competes. In fact, what we do more often than not, we win rate competes at larger values, better rates at the size of these. On the technology side, we find that we not only win all the book of business we have, but we traditionally bring other people's book of business along because we are performing exquisitely out there.

Speaker 2

On the new business side, we always say that our overall win rate has to be north of 30% or 40% across everything we chase to be successful. And by any measure the last 6 to 7 years, I'd say we've been quite successful at driving to build ratios at 1 or above over the last 6 to 7 years. We're going to talk at Investor Day frankly around sort of the nuts and bolts of why this works and why we're different. We have a different strategy. We have this big less and win more.

Speaker 2

We have focus on larger and longer duration programs. What we're looking to share with all of our shareholders is really here's what happens when we say we're in 7 markets and here's strategically how we help we focus, how that drives pipeline and how that drives individual captures. We'll be talking about things like Spectra. We'll talk about electronic warfare. We'll be talking about network modernization and sort of give you all that more detailed look at why we are successful there.

Speaker 2

And I know Jerry Parker is hungry to be giving that briefing, to be able to show how we grow today, but also what's behind how we're going to grow into the

Speaker 3

future. All right. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Louie DiPalma with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Good. John, Jeff and George, good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Louie. Good morning.

Speaker 9

Was there any revenue from like 0 margin materials that contributed to the gross margin being flat year over year? I think last year there was $100,000,000 in materials revenue and the gross margin was 31% and it was also 31% this quarter.

Speaker 4

Yes. There was a very small amount, but it was sort of at a routine level that we execute as part of larger programs, not materially. It's more broadly probably attributable to mix and some of the better margin technology areas that we talked about when we talked about the EBITDA margin more broadly.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. And on the counter UAS side of the business, and this is more of a strategy question, but there has been a ton of innovation related to the different geopolitical conflicts on the mitigation side of counter UAS with high powered microwaves, lasers and interceptors. And you have traditionally been more focused on the signals intelligence side. Do you feel a need to have a more end to end system?

Speaker 2

Yes, Louis, thanks. So yes, we've been in the cognizant business for a very long time. And what's equally as important as people read what's out there is we handle group 1 to group 5. And the real threats are Groups 3, 4 and 5. Those are really hard ones.

Speaker 2

Those are the things that whose tactics and procedures and frequencies change every 24 hours. They are larger in nature. They can carry more payloads. They're much more dangerous and they're that they're those groups that have been involved in everything that you all have read and watch the news over. So at the end of the day, the most exquisite and reliable way to detect drones is in the radio frequency spectrum.

Speaker 2

Many drones are going to other methods to be able to launch and then be guided. Many are using wireless, some are going to begin to use satellite. It's sort of I need everybody needs a link at one point or not, even dark drones require cordless to be loaded to them. So I listen and I watch what's going on and you would imagine we're very much engaged at very, very senior levels across the federal government around what we're seeing in all of the conflicts around the globe. So having said all that, we've been in this business for about 2 decades.

Speaker 2

We understand where the state of the art is going. We're not that company that's going to look at Group 1 drones that you buy for $38 that used to be a focus many years back. That's not what's delivering the most destruction around the globe, which is why we're involved at levels that we don't speak about because we can't speak about it. But rest assured when we talk about having exquisite County UAS capabilities that is everywhere from a large scale system fixed site to mobile to man packable, which you heard about on someone else's question earlier in the call. We're that explicit provider.

Speaker 2

There are different business models out there. We've investigated a lot of those different business models. At the end of the day, our solutions come with a combatant commander stamp of approval and a long list of confirmed kills and frankly customers out there today that are less and less needing to use $1,000,000 missile to defeat $1,000 drum. So, I can't comment any specific company. We just talk about ourselves and how we go to market.

Speaker 2

But I believe we have a long firm growth path in our Countywide business.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Larry. And

Speaker 9

is there a lot of a lot more opportunities in the pipeline for counter UAS? I think you suggested that there are more follow on orders expected for the Manpack program. But for the Navy and you already have the Spectral, but are there other opportunities within the Navy for other large platforms for you to be involved?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think when you look at the Azure Summit acquisition, the platforms that they're on both Airborne and seaworthy that will expose us to even more platforms. We like to talk about Conroe AS and other software technologies that we do by service, but the real magic is platforms within each service, right. So it's what platforms can we get our common software baseline. The last thing that I'll share what makes us extremely unique and why we have other growth opportunities, not only in this year's pipeline, which you'll hear at Investor Day, a multiyear pipeline is the fact that we share a common baseline.

Speaker 2

So every time we learn something about drones and other unique signals that gets put into everybody's systems at one time. And nobody can match the speed and the power, that we can deliver that, which is why we talk about speed of the flight and speed of the fleet. So yes, there's plenty of work in our pipeline out there. I would assume by I'm almost assured that by next quarter you'll hear about some additional awards. But again, to get whether to cover that in even more detail at the Investor Day coming up.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Louis.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks, John. Thanks, Jeff and good morning. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Connor Walters with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, guys, and good morning. Thanks so much for taking my questions. Yes, I wanted to dig into your margins a little bit more. The strong performance in the Q1, your commentary around the Q2, it certainly derisked the ramp through the remainder of the year. But it kind of suggests that the second half run rate could be down 10, 20 basis points year over year.

Speaker 10

Just curious if that's really conservatism or any other puts and takes you want to call out there?

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks for the question. There is a condition here that we've seen in the last couple of years where our second half has been relatively flat quarter to quarter with higher margins than the first quarter or the first half rather, the first and second quarter. And we see that same pattern continuing this year, although the disparity has become less pronounced. So we still have a stronger second half than first half.

Speaker 4

But the first half of the year, the second quarter that is, the balance of the first half is probably somewhat flattish from where we are today and then a step up for the second half, if that's helpful and not to hopefully that gives you some insight.

Speaker 10

No, that's great. I appreciate that color. And maybe just to dig into cash, I think last quarter we talked about how there was kind of an implied headwind working capital around $100,000,000 for the year. Just curious if that's still the latest thought process and if you could provide any other color around how we bridge to this year versus your fiscal 2024 performance?

Speaker 4

Yes. We continue to see working capital demand. I mean that's all factored in of course to our guide. But the changing nature of the portfolio and if you think about some of the business that where we have growing volume and this will you'll see this again following the Azure acquisition. We are growing in places that require some amount of working capital for the growth.

Speaker 4

Certainly, still a capital light business by any kind of customary industrial standard, but we do have inventory and work in process in a way that the business has historically not had. So that is a factor in our cash guidance.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Thanks so much for taking my questions.

Speaker 4

Yes. You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Strauss with Barclays. Please go

Speaker 2

ahead. Good morning, David.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning. This is actually Josh Korn on for David. Just wanted to ask about the revenue guide. So we've had 3 straight quarters now of 10% or greater growth more with the materials purchases. So what, if anything, is decelerating over the balance of the year to get into the guidance range?

Speaker 3

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, David, thanks. Look, when we did our original 25 guidance and as we spent a fair amount of time during this last quarter doing this updated guidance, we love to talk about guidance with the low end and a high end scenario. Look, we contemplate a number of different scenarios and we really try to focus on what we can control. I think we're confidently executing our strategy. So that's a checkbox for the right hand goalpost.

Speaker 2

But on that budget question earlier, if we look at anything, an extended CR that can delay some software defined tech awards. If there's any other geopolitical or macro uncertainty that sort of enters in, those are sort of left side of the goalpost markers. If we see volume pick up, if we see some additional awards during this year, which clearly we did $3,300,000,000 in the Q1, then that sort of trends us truly towards the upper guide. So I remind we're 97 days into the fiscal year. So we're at the end of the Q1.

Speaker 2

So those are just some macro dynamics as we look at guidance.

Speaker 4

Yes. I don't think I have a lot to add to that. I think you summarized it pretty well. I mean, we do think that we encompass most of the scenarios that we monitor and keep our eye on. And we're early in the year.

Speaker 4

We're encouraged by what we've seen so far here in the Q1. There's a lot of the game left.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks. I'll stick to one.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

That concludes our Q and A session. I will now turn the conference back over to John Mengucci for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Rhondey, and thank you for your help on today's call. We'd like to thank everyone who dialed in or listened to the webcast for their participation. We know that many of you will have potential follow-up questions. Jeff McLaughlin, George Price and Jim Sullivan are available after today's call. Please stay healthy and all my best to you and your families.

Speaker 2

This concludes our call. Thank you all and have a great day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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