ICON Public Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 24, 2024

There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Icon P and C Q3 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Please note that you can only ask one question per participant to give everyone the chance to ask a question. And please also note that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kate Haven.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good day, and thank you for joining us on this call covering the quarter ended September 30, 2024. Also on the call today, we have our CEO, Doctor. Steve Cutler our outgoing CFO, Brendan Brennan our incoming CFO, Nigel Clerken and Senior Vice President of Corporate and Commercial Finance, Ymir Lyons. I would like to note that this call is webcast and that there are slides available to download on our website to accompany today's call. Certain statements in today's call will be forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

These statements are based on management's current expectations and information currently available, including current economic and industry conditions. Actual results may differ materially from those stated or implied by forward looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with the company's business, and listeners are cautioned that forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance. Forward looking statements are only as of the date they are made, and we do not undertake any obligation to update publicly any forward looking statement, either as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. More information about the risks and uncertainties relating to these forward looking statements may be found in SEC reports filed by the company, including this Form 20 F filed on February 23, 2024. This presentation includes selected non GAAP financial measures, which Steve and Brendan will be referencing in their prepared remarks.

Speaker 1

For a presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, please refer to the press release section titled Condensed Consolidated Statements of Operations. While non GAAP financial measures are not superior to or a substitute for the comparable GAAP measures, we believe certain non GAAP information is more useful to investors for historical comparison purposes. Included in the press release and the earnings slides, you will note a reconciliation of non GAAP measures. Adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and adjusted diluted earnings per share exclude stock compensation expense, restructuring costs, foreign currency gains and losses, amortization and transaction related and integration related costs and their respective tax benefits. We will be limiting the call today to 1 hour and would therefore ask participants to keep their questions to 1 each in the interest of time.

Speaker 1

I would now like to hand the call over to our CEO, Doctor. Steve Cutler.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kate. Before I begin my remarks on the quarter, I wanted to briefly welcome and introduce our incoming CFO, Nigel Clerkin, who is joining us on the call today. Nigel is an accomplished executive with excellent experience across both biopharma and pharma services organizations in a public and private setting. We are thrilled to have him join our executive team at ICON. In addition, I want to extend my sincere thanks to Brendan as this will be his last call with us concluding a highly successful career at ICON.

Speaker 2

Thank you Brendan for your partnership and many contributions. Moving to the results for the quarter, simply put, ICON's results for the Q3 were not in line with expectations we had previously anticipated. As in any period we forecast, we have a number of risks and opportunities that are identified across our business that generally counterbalance as we progress through and close out the quarter. In this most recent quarter, the identified risks materialize to a greater extent than expected and despite our efforts, the identified opportunities did not offset this impact resulting in a greater deviation from forecasted results than we would typically see. This was due to 3 main reasons.

Speaker 2

1st, we are seeing a small number of top customers who are experiencing continued cost pressures and are implementing actions to manage their development spend more tightly. 2nd, within our biotech business, slower decision making and capital allocation led to award delays and slow trial starts. And finally, we had a large number of project delays and cancellations late in the quarter within our fast burn vaccine area that materially impacted revenue. To provide more detail on each of these challenges, the first was attributable to lower than anticipated revenue contribution from 2 of our largest customers that are undergoing development model transitions, which we have been supporting them with since the start of the year. As we have previously highlighted, we are seeing an increasing emergence of hybrid development models amongst our large pharma customer base, which has uniquely positioned ICON to win a disproportionate share of these large partnership opportunities.

Speaker 2

Heightened focus on portfolio prioritization leading to tighter development spend emerged through the quarter, delaying the expected ramp up of new work that was forecast to begin in their new models. What this has resulted in is studies closing out in their previous model without the counterbalancing revenue from new studies as expected. While this creates pressure from a revenue perspective in the near term, which we have reflected in our full year revenue guidance, we do believe this is an isolated impact that will be increasingly offset by growth outside of these two accounts as we move forward and is underpinned by the revenue growth we've seen outside of these customers, which we expect to be in the mid single digits on a year over year basis for full 2024. The second issue was slower than expected activity in our biotech segment, both from a business development perspective, which impacted our total level of new awards as well as in operational prioritization decisions, which resulted in negative study modifications and delays in study startup that occurred in the quarter. While we continue to see a positive level of overall opportunity flow in this segment, customers continue to operate with caution in terms of the overall use of their capital.

Speaker 2

This is impacting the speed of decision making on both award of new work and how quickly customers are starting new trial activity. We saw several decisions on large award opportunities delay into quarter 4 as customers required additional time to review final scope specifications before making award decisions, which are anticipated to take place this quarter. Lastly, we saw an outsized level of vaccine related cancellations in quarter 3, totaling approximately 20% of overall cancellations, which combined with slower COVID activity is also contributing to the lower than expected revenue in the second half of this year as these programs are fast burning in nature and were expected to start in the quarter. While we are dissatisfied with the performance this quarter and the reduction in guidance for the year, the factors contributing to the results are well understood by our team and we are taking decisive action to manage them appropriately. We will deliver on one of our strengths, which is expertly managing costs.

Speaker 2

This includes aligning our resources in the right locations globally to best support our customers and their critical project as we continue to act as a strategic partner and deliver on our commitments for not just the short term, but their long term needs. We have already implemented plans to improve processes and reduce overall costs across the organization and we expect to see some benefits of these actions in quarter 4 and more fully as we move into 2025. This includes accelerating actions we already undertake as an organization with 40,000 plus employees, assessing spans and layers across our organization to determine optimal levels of oversight and utilization to drive efficiencies. Finally, we continue to increase our adoption of automation and the use of technology across our business to leverage our scale and center of excellence model. We remain confident in the underlying health of our business, the progress we are making in building critical partnerships and our continued ability to deliver for our customers.

Speaker 2

In our large pharma business, we have been successful in renewing all strategic partnerships this year and I'm very pleased to announce the award of another top 10 strategic partnership, which was finalized in quarter 3. ICON was selected for the breadth and depth of our capabilities, including our therapeutic experience and expertise as well as our innovative approach in addressing challenges across the development continuum. The addition of this new competitive win brings our new strategic partnership count within the top 30 farmer to 3 in the past 12 months, clearly showing our momentum in gaining market share in this important space. These relationships are already delivering increased opportunity flow to our pipeline and new awards to our business. We are seeing a notable increase in therapeutic areas such as cardio and metabolic diseases with new award growth increasing over 50% on a trailing 12 month basis, which is helping to offset the drop off in vaccines.

Speaker 2

In quarter 3, we had solid growth in our total backlog of 9.4% on a year over year basis with strength in new awards from laboratory and early phase services. However, there was an increase in total cancellations in the quarter driven by an outsized number of vaccine programs relative to our normal expectations. Relative to when we started this year, we saw more meaningful transitions in our business than anticipated with a significant level of COVID related work moving out of this calendar year. 2 of our large customers undergoing more significant development model shifts with resulting cost pressures and the biotech market that is taking longer to recover and remains cautious. Despite these circumstances, we have still managed the business to drive revenue growth of 5.6 percent excluding COVID related revenue and adjusted earnings per share growth of 13.5% both on a year to date basis.

Speaker 2

We remain encouraged that opportunities across the totality of our business continue to track positively given the contribution from new strategic partnerships as well as increased opportunity flow from Biotech, which we believe is still supportive of holding at least a 1.2 times net book to bill ratio on a trailing 12 month basis. Fundamentally, our view has not changed in our mid to long term outlook for our industry and the opportunity for Icon. We continue to deliver for our customers across all segments of our business and will appropriately manage our business as we transition through what is a more challenging environment in the near term for specific customers and as a result for ICON. As we look forward to 2025, we are not yet issuing specific guidance for the full year, but plan to do so as we normally do in January when we present at the JPMorgan Conference. At a high level, provided the opportunity levels continue through the balance of the year, we would anticipate continuing to target a book to bill of 1.2 to 1.3 times on a trailing 12 month basis.

Speaker 2

We would note that we are seeing an uptick in pass throughs as a more meaningful component of total trial costs even in non vaccine areas of the portfolio, which is expected to start to reflect in our overall revenue mix next year. While there are certain large pharma customers in our portfolio that remain challenged in their spending outlooks for next year, our initial view on growth outside of these specific customers is positive and indicative of our overall development spend growth. While recovery in the biotech segment has been slower than we anticipated relative to start of this year, large opportunities have been increasingly moving into the pipeline and our performance this quarter from a business development perspective will be an important determining factor to growth in this segment for ICON next year. In totality, we would anticipate revenue growth in the low to mid single digit range for the full year, which takes into account the expected headwinds, which we expect will have a greater impact in the first half of the year. We continue to be extremely well positioned to take market share and grow in new and existing accounts as evidenced by the recent strategic partnership wins we have accumulated since our union with PRA.

Speaker 2

The potential for these new partnerships to offset the aforementioned headwinds is very real as we move into 2025 and this in addition to the growth of our strategic customers gives us confidence that ICON will emerge from this transition period even better positioned and diversified across our customer base. We remain committed to our capital deployment strategy, which is focused on executing M and A in the areas of the portfolio we would like to strategically expand our capability and presence, principally in our ancillary businesses such as laboratory services, site and patient solutions as well as select geographic areas such as Asia Pacific. We have opportunities in our pipeline that we are actively engaged on that could be executed in the short term. In addition, we have stated we would opportunistically evaluate deploying capital towards share repurchase, which we did late in quarter 3, totaling $100,000,000 worth of stock repurchased. We have recently secured authorization for a further $250,000,000 for share repurchases, which gives us a total of $650,000,000 now available for further repurchases.

Speaker 2

We anticipate remaining active in opportunistic share repurchases through the balance of this year and beyond. Before I hand over to Brendan, I want to extend my thanks as always to our hardworking and dedicated employees across the globe that are committed to driving our mission and supporting our customers in accelerating their development programs. Brendan?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Steve. In Coric 3, ICON achieved gross business wins of $2,832,000,000 a decrease of 7.3% on a year over year basis. In addition, we reported 504,000,000 warrants cancellations resulting in net awards in the quarter of $2,328,000,000 and net book to bill of 1.15 times. With the addition of the new awards in quarter 3, our backlog grew to a record 24 point $3,000,000,000 representing an increase of 2.1 percent on quarter 2 of quarter 3 of 2024, an increase of 9.4% year over year. Our backlog burn was 8.5% in the quarter, down from quarter 2 levels.

Speaker 3

Revenue in quarter 3 was $2,030,000,000 This represents a year on year decrease of 1.2% or 1% on a constant currency basis. Overall customer concentration in our top 25 customers increased from quarter 2 2024. Our top 5 customers represented 24.8% of revenue in quarter 3. Our top 10 represented 40.6 percent, while our top 25 represented 62.9%. Gross margin for the quarter was 29.5%, a decrease of 40 basis points on quarter 2, 2024.

Speaker 3

Gross margin decreased 30 basis points over gross margin of 29.8% in quarter 3 of 2023. Total SG and A expense was $180,400,000 at quarter 3 or 8.9 percent of revenue. This is an increase of 20 basis points on the prior quarter of 8.7 percent of revenue. In the comparable period last year, total SG and A expense was $180,100,000 or 8.8 percent of revenue. Adjusted EBITDA was $418,800,000 for the quarter or 20.6 percent of revenue.

Speaker 3

In the comparable period last year, adjusted EBITDA was $432,500,000 or 21 percent of revenue, representing a year on year decrease of 3.2 percent, a contraction of 40 basis points in margin. Adjusted operating income for quarter 3 was $383,800,000 a margin of 18.9%. This was a decrease of 4.3 percent on adjusted operating income of $401,100,000 a margin of 19.5% in the quarter 3 of 2023. Net interest expense was $49,400,000 for the quarter. We continue to expect full year interest expense to total approximately $200,000,000 to $210,000,000 in 2024.

Speaker 3

The effective tax rate was 16.5 percent in the quarter and we continue to expect the full year 2024 adjusted effective tax rate to be approximately 16.5%. Adjusted net income for the quarter was $279,200,000 a margin of 13.8 percent, equating to adjusted earnings per share of $3.35 an increase of 1.5% year over year. In the 3rd quarter, the company recorded $7,900,000 of transaction integration related costs. U. S.

Speaker 3

GAAP income from operations amended to $285,400,000 or 14.1 percent of revenue during quarter 3. U. S. GAAP net income in quarter 3 was $197,100,000 or $2.36 per diluted share compared to 1.97 dollars per share for the equivalent prior year period, an increase of 19.8%. Net accounts receivable was $1,172,000,000 at the 30th September, 2024.

Speaker 3

This compares with our net accounts receivable bonds of $1,198,000,000 at the end of quarter 2, 2024. DSO was 52 days at September 30, 2024, an increase of 3 days from quarter 3, 2023 and an increase of one day from June 30, 2024. Cash from operating activities in the quarter was $402,700,000 and free cash flow was $359,400,000 in the quarter, an increase of 15% on a year over year basis. We saw a nice improvement in cash collections in quarter 3 despite the ongoing dynamic is present with our customers, particularly large pharma organizations, looking to hold on to cash longer and seeking competitive credit terms. Despite this dynamic, we remain on track to achieve our original full year guidance of free cash flow of circa $1,100,000,000 At September 30, 2024, cash totaled $695,500,000 and debt totaled $3,400,000,000 leaving a net debt position of $2,700,000,000 This compares to net debt of $2,900,000,000 at June 30, 2024 and net debt of $3,700,000,000 at September 30, 2023.

Speaker 3

Capital expenditure during the quarter was $43,300,000 We ended the quarter with a leverage ratio of 1.6 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA. Our key assumptions behind the full year guidance are largely unchanged, an effective tax rate of 16.5 percent, free cash flow target of circa $1,100,000,000 CapEx spend of circa $150,000,000 and interest expense in the range of $200,000,000 to $210,000,000 all for the full year 2024. With all of that said, we'll now open it up for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank We are now going to proceed with our first question. And the questions come from the line of Elizabeth Anderson from Evercore. Please ask your question. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi, guys. Thanks so much for the question. Welcome, Nigel. Can you maybe provide us with a little bit more color on sort of your confidence around Pharma 2025 budgets in terms of your top customers? Like are they you feel like they have good visibility at this point that they've all sort of set their spending and cut levels that you see for those of them who are reducing spending in certain areas, you feel like you have a good grasp on that?

Speaker 4

I just want to kind of understand that a little bit further as we think about, sort of the Q4 and then into 2025? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure, Elizabeth. So I think overall, we see the large pharma market in totality to be growing at a reasonable rate in the sort of low to mid single digits. Obviously, we're more exposed in a couple of cases to a couple of large customers and it's somewhat of a different story. We do believe, I think, as we get into 2025 that we'll see the bottom of that of the slowdown with those particular customers that we have and we'll start to move upwards probably more towards the back end of 2025. So we do have some visibility certainly in terms of one of them, I think we have some clear visibility, but probably at the bottom as we are towards the end of this year.

Speaker 2

The other, it's a little less clear to be very honest. But we do think we're approaching that point. And by the middle of next year, we will be sort of moving on the upslope away from some of the declines we've seen with those particular customers. So overall, I think we see the large pharma market as net positive as I say that 3% to 4%, 3% to 5%. And so we believe we can benefit from that particularly with the strategic partnerships that we've been successful in winning over the last couple of years really.

Speaker 2

And so overall we see it as a medium to long term positive. But we've got some a transition period to work through over the next 2 to 3 quarters.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Michael Cherny from LindeWink Partners. Please ask your question.

Speaker 5

Good morning and thanks for taking the question. Maybe if I can follow on a similar trend to Elizabeth's question, but tied to biotech demand. You're not the only company that's signaling any type of concerns or worries about the state of decision making in the biotech market. As you think through the various different constituencies that you work with across biotech, is there anything that you can glean about various pockets of strength and weakness versus disease state versus status of where these companies sit from a venture funding perspective? Similar to the pharma question, where does that comfort factor lie about the pace of biotech recovery given that obviously market wide it's been a bit slower than we'd all would have anticipated?

Speaker 2

Yes, Michael, that's probably we're probably a little less certain in terms of biotech. We've been calling the end of the biotech challenge for several quarters now. And clearly, as we've seen in this quarter, we're not there yet. We see the same data you do in terms of their funding. They had a good start to the year that it went slow in the middle of the year and then September seemed to be positive.

Speaker 2

And we're getting the same sort of vibes from our customers in terms of their allocation. They seem to be able to raise capital, particularly for good science. But allocating it, they have been they have delayed decisions, they have delayed awards, they've de scoped projects and there has been some uptick in the cancellation side of things. So I don't think we're ready to quite call the end of the challenges in the biotech segment just yet. We do believe, I think long term, it will be positive and we'll move back to a very solid position.

Speaker 2

And I think there's certainly data that would support that. But I think the next again the next 2 to 3 quarters, it remains somewhat uncertain. We do see, as I say, some optimism in the segment in terms of the RFPs numbers we're seeing through. They're solid they're certainly solid enough. There's plenty of opportunity in our pipeline, but it's nailing that opportunity down and converting even those awards into projects that start and that burn revenue at the rate and at the to the extent that we expect is where the challenges lie.

Speaker 2

And I think we're not quite at the bottom of that yet. So I'm sorry if I'm not able to give you sort of full definitive answer on that, but we continue to find that one probably the most challenging aspect of our business.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The question has come from the line of Luke Sergut from Barclays. Please ask your question.

Speaker 6

All right, great. Thanks guys. I guess as you think about the recovery here and into 2025 and the market kind of being that low single digit growth and you guys typically grow at the high end of that. Is that still a safe assumption here as we think about 2025? And then as you also think about the margin implications here, the flexibility of your model and like that Model 1Hybrid business that you can provide allows a lot of flexibility to scale up and down resources pretty quickly.

Speaker 6

So given this is late in the year, understandably hits in 4Q, but how do you right size those and how we think about that margin progression as the business starts to ramp back up?

Speaker 2

Yes. Luke, as I think we said pretty clearly on the call, we're not going to provide any sort of guidance for next year. We're looking hard at the business certainly over the next 3 or 4 months and we'll provide that guidance in January as we normally do. Having said that, we do believe we can grow next year. It's probably going to be more in the low to mid single digits at this point.

Speaker 2

That's kind of our certainly our expectation. We're not making any projections on margins at this point. You know the mix of our business is changing with the vaccine studies coming through and some uptick in the functional work being counteracted and offset by some progress on the full service, particularly with these new strategic partners that are coming in on a full service basis. So there's puts and calls from a margin point of view in both on both ways. We do as I say, we do expect revenue growth.

Speaker 2

That's what we'll be working for. But at the moment, we're not going to be too specific about that. We will be as we say as we get to JPMorgan in January.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Justin Bowers from Deutsche Bank. Please ask your question.

Speaker 7

Hi, good afternoon. And just pivoting back to large pharma, a 2 part question. On the development model changes into 2025 and then the rest of that customer cohort, the top 20 would then grow?

Speaker 2

To answer your second question first, Justin, I think that's a reasonable way to characterize it. We certainly see growth outside of our top 2, I think at the extent of around 6%. And we're happy to see that. And that's fueled in many cases by more full service work, better margin work. And so we think there's a nice offset on that front.

Speaker 2

In terms of the more functional, is that a permanent? These things are never permanent. These things tend to wax and wane depending on who's in charge of the company and what the operating model de jure is. We have some opportunity, I think, to work in both models effectively in both models. We talked about our hybrid model and our ability because we are the largest functional provider to provide hybrid functional and full service components of any sort of development program or portfolio.

Speaker 2

So we do believe we're very well positioned no matter which way the market goes to be able to prosecute and to win that work. But as I say, at the moment, we're seeing that push towards a more functional approach persisting at least in several of our top customers, but it is being offset to some extent by some movement towards full service in other parts of the business and of course our biotech customers are all full service. So as always, there's puts and calls and there's offset tailwinds and headwinds on this thing. I think generally we feel the market overall will progress nicely if we can prosecute and execute our projects as we believe we can. We believe we can get some modest margin uptick, but that all remains to be seen.

Speaker 2

And as I said, we're not going to be specific about 2025 or beyond just at this point.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Anne Hynes from Nizi Ho. Please ask your question.

Speaker 4

Yes, good morning. Thank you. Just the long term goals you provided at the Visa Investor Day 2027, it seems like the environment has changed. Do you think it's still possible by 2027 what you see now to at least hit maybe the low end? And if you can't do it on the revenue side, would you kick the capital share repurchase to at least hit the EPS goals?

Speaker 2

Yes. That's a question we're looking at very hard. We certainly will be looking at very hard over the next couple of months as we come towards the end of the year. But to give you a high level answer on that, we do believe we're well positioned to be able to achieve those goals. Perhaps towards the lower end of the range and perhaps towards the end of 2027 might be the caveats I would give you.

Speaker 2

But we certainly haven't given up on those goals. We believe we're as I say well positioned in the marketplace to gain market share. We do believe we're gaining market share particularly with these strategic customers. And

Speaker 6

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Speaker 2

we move through this transition period as I said the next 2 to 3 quarters, we believe we're going to be in a good place to be able to accelerate our growth in the more medium term and move back towards achieving the sort of goals we put out at our Investor Day in May. As I said, perhaps more towards the lower end and we're certainly prepared to utilize our balance sheet to prosecute the share buyback options. And we also are very much in the market on the M and A side of things where we can bring in components of the business to supplement what we already have and to improve the performance of what we already have. That's certainly the push on the M and A side of things. So we do believe we've got the tools in the toolkit.

Speaker 2

We do believe we've got the balance sheet and we do believe we've got the people and the strategy to achieve the goals that we set out.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Patrick Donnelly from Citi. Please ask your question.

Speaker 3

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the questions. Wanted to follow-up, I think it was Luke's question on some of the margin stuff. I know you guys talked a little bit about some cost actions. Can you frame up what you guys are going to do on the cost side?

Speaker 3

If the magnitude is possible, that would certainly be helpful. Basically, I was trying to figure out when you look at the second half year, implying EBITDA margin somewhere above 20%. Is that a fair number to think about next year and just the cost out piece would sort of help contextualize that? Thank you guys.

Speaker 2

Yes, Patrick. In terms of cost, I think it has been noted. We've acted fairly quickly to realign our cost base with the work that we have in the backlog and the work that's proceeding in the backlog. Absolute priority for us is to make sure that our customers have the resources they need to get their critical projects done. That is priority absolute number 1.

Speaker 2

And we're very focused on doing it. Having said that, we do recognize that an adjustment on the cost base is important. And we're pulling a number of levers, whether it be spans of control, whether it be looking at where we have an excess of people in certain areas, we are looking very hard at doing that and taking fairly decisive action. So I'll leave it at that. I do believe it will have some impact on quarter 4, not a huge impact, but really that impact will be as we get into 2025.

Speaker 2

And I do believe we have some other areas we can look at as well and we'll it's not just a one off. We're going to continue to look at what we need to do on a cost base. We do it well. It's something I think you would all note is one of our key strengths. We manage our costs very well.

Speaker 2

We don't wait around and then hope for the best. We actually take action and we're doing that right now. And I think that's an important component and something you should take some confidence in that we will address that. Brendan, do you want to address on that? No.

Speaker 2

I think, yes,

Speaker 3

address on that? No. I think just from my perspective here, obviously, this is a big services organization. It takes time to move that ship in terms of cost base. And I think it's appropriate with Steve's comments in terms of ensuring that we have delivery to customers.

Speaker 3

That's obviously a paramount importance to us as an organization. This is kind of a it's a bit of an odd quarter for me because it's very reflective quarter as well as everything else. But over the 19 years, I can tell you definitively, it's not 1 or 2 people that focus on the cost base in ICON, it's everyone. So I think that's something to bear in mind as you go forward here that this organization will continue to challenge itself, continue to push itself. And as Steve said in his opening comments, has the quality and the strategy to do that.

Speaker 3

So I think that's probably without going too far into giving indications on what guidance is next year, but I think that's the point you need to recall.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of David Windley from Jefferies. Please ask your question.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to come back to big pharma with a little different angle. Steve, with the partnerships that you had at the time of the PRA acquisition or merger and the ones that you've won since as you highlighted this morning, you got pretty broad footprint across top 20 or top 25. I guess my question is twofold.

Speaker 8

One is that is how much of the wallet do these partnerships avail you of? And maybe that's mixed in different categories or whatever. But I'm just interested in what cases are you kind of paying the client? And in what cases might you only be in 1 therapeutic area or only in one service or something like that? And then with that footprint and that opportunity to interact with those clients at that higher level and to the point that you made about development model changes, how much of this is kind of major adjustment by big pharma to the outlook that they have loss of exclusivity cycle, a new pricing dynamic in the U.

Speaker 8

S. And really reevaluating returns on invested R and D and repositioning or pivoting pipeline. And the bottom line on this part of the question really is, is it just these 2? Or are we only kind of midway through a lot of big pharma clients doing these types of things? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Right. Okay, Dave. That's quite a question. Let me start with your first one. In terms of the sort of share of wallet or what we do with these strategic, it really does vary.

Speaker 2

I would say in most cases, we are selected as either 1 of 1, 1 of 2 or 1 of 3, perhaps 1 of 4, but it's usually in the sort of up to 3, 1 or 2 cases where the sole provider, but that's not that doesn't happen very often. More cases, it's more 1 of 3. And we do get access to their entire outsourcing portfolio. And so we have the opportunity to bid and we bid usually against the other 1 or the other 2. And if we've been doing the work in Phase 2, we have an inside run.

Speaker 2

And if we've been doing a good job in Phase 2, it's almost a non compete, if that makes sense. And so obviously, it behooves us to execute and to prosecute our trials well with those strategic partners and we build those partnerships and get that work almost on as I say non compete basis. In terms of there are 1 or 2 where it's more therapeutically focused or if you like. But in that case there's probably less competition. So we may be allocated the cardiovascular side of things or the oncology side of things or the metabolic side of things.

Speaker 2

And in that case, we'll get the bid. And unless our pricing is well out of whack or there's some questions, we won't be in a competitive situation. We've already negotiated rate card terms and conditions, etcetera. So it's a less competitive situation, although we're probably we are working within a more narrow slice of their portfolio. In terms of whether these models that we're moving to and we've seen over the last couple of years moving to a part of a major adjustment or response to pricing challenges, IRAs, patent clips, etcetera, That's a hard one to answer, Dave.

Speaker 2

It really is. We do see these sort of models tend to be correlated with certain managers and certain leadership styles. And when new people come into organizations, they tend to apply the management or the outsourcing model that they've seen work before that they like. And so it may be as much to do with the individuals in charge of the development spend and the development organization in the pharma than it is on any sort of particular price pressure or patent cliff etcetera, etcetera. We do see we see things going both ways to a more functional approach.

Speaker 2

Some customers, the more recent wins have been to a more full service approach, again offsetting any pressures on a margin line from the functional. And so it goes both ways. I don't think there's any sort of particular tsunami or any sort of trend that's moving across the industry one way or the other quite frankly. And so we take it in those terms. In terms of customers responding to some of the regulatory challenges that they face inevitably they talk about those and they work through.

Speaker 2

Some move in a more functional basis and some are moving in a more full service basis. And some it's because their pipelines are so full or their requirement to develop drugs is so critical because they're growing so fast that they are tending to outsource and that tends to be in a more full service basis. So I think it's a long way of telling you that it's not particularly correlated with any particular regulatory or external factor. It's a multitude of things and each customer or each farmer has their own set of circumstances and they pick their models based on those.

Speaker 1

I think I'd just add quickly, Dave, that it has presented us though with a lot of opportunity. I think it's fair to say over the last 18 months, we've probably seen more activity, right? That's been caused by some of these concerns from a macro perspective, whether it be IRA or some of the other issues that have come up and caused large pharma to take a hard look at how their development organizations are structured and where they need to get to over time. Obviously, the outlooks are going to be different on a customer by customer basis, but that gives us an opportunity to go in and really fight for or continue to defend our position in existing partnerships and have an opportunity to win new ones. And obviously, we've been successful winning 3 new large partnerships in the last 12 months and that's critical in terms of our growth outlook for the future.

Speaker 1

So it's not necessarily a negative in terms of these customers looking at, looking harder around their development spend and opportunities.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Max Mox from William Blair. Please ask your question.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. I just wanted to make sure I understand the drivers behind the miss on gross bookings versus the miss on revenue here because of all the factors you mentioned at the top of the call, the only one that really struck me as being more tied to new bookings and not burn rate was the awards from small biotech. So can you just walk through kind of what are the key drivers of that shortfall in net bookings specifically? And if it really is just small biotech slowing down on the front end, is it fair to assume that that cohort has taken a meaningful step back over the last couple of months here, just given the size of that booking step down that we saw in the Q3?

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think if you ask me for one the major reason Max on the booking shortfall, it is the delay in decisions particularly from the smaller and biotech customers. They despite the fact that we know the capital markets have been a bit uncertain and a bit volatile That's up and down every month seems to be a different one. But they even the ones that have been able to raise capital, they seem to have there are delays and they do seem to be reprioritizing even some of their current programs. So it really I think it really did come down to slowness in decision making in the biotech segment as the main reason we fell a little short of our target 1.2 to 1.3.

Speaker 2

Having said that, as I indicated in my comments, there are some good opportunities in the pipeline and the RFP flow continues to be solid across both segments of our market, both large pharma and biotech. And so is it a I'd like to think it's a one off and a short term issue. But as I said previously, again, the biotech segment is a bit volatile at the moment and I'm not quite sure we're ready to call the end of that volatility or uncertainty. So that may well continue. But I do think that going forward, as I say, 1.2 to 1.3 on a trailing 12 month basis is a very achievable goal for us.

Operator

We're now going to proceed with our next question. Your questions come from the line of Michael Ryskin from Bank of America. Please ask your question.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for the question. This might be related to your last point just now on net bookings and some of the volatility in Biotech. But earlier in your prepared remarks, you kind of talked about 2 things that happened during the quarter, both risks materializing to a greater extent and some of the opportunities not offsetting. So just trying to think about the revised guide for 2024 and your comments about low single digit, mid single digit for 2025.

Speaker 10

Maybe putting it this way, are you more worried about the risks being more protracted? And I'm thinking about the 2 pharma that you talked about the reprioritization there. Or do you feel less confident in some of the opportunities offsetting? Which of those two components did you adjust more when revisiting the guide?

Speaker 2

Yes, that's a good question, Michael. In our business, there are always risks and there are always opportunities. And as I said in my prepared remarks, this quarter for the first time in probably 55 or 60 quarters that I've been involved in the company, there really was a very substantial difference in what played out. The risks well outweigh the opportunities. I think going forward, we'll reformulate and relook at what those risks and opportunities are and be able to be a little bit more accurate, if that's the right word, in terms of how we think the work's going to go and how it's going to come in.

Speaker 2

Quarter 3, as you all know, is probably the most challenging quarter in the year given that August is very quiet. Our customers are away, sites are away. It's sometimes difficult to get the information you're looking for. And then everyone comes back in September and down to a number of key decisions as to whether you make your book to bill number or not. And so it is a challenging quarter and when things don't hit and they don't go as we'd expect that the very short term impact plays out as it has for us in this quarter.

Speaker 2

I don't see going forward that we're going to have this sort of quarter. In fact, I would hope we're not going to see this sort of quarter on a regular basis. We've got a pretty good track record as I said over the last 50 or 60 quarters So we've been reporting at least that I and Brendan have been involved in reporting. And we feel our track record is pretty good. I don't think 1 quarter changes that.

Speaker 2

I recognize some disappointment and I certainly the quarter is not up to our expectations. But I don't think our process is fundamentally broken. I think we need to just look at ourselves a little bit more closely and make sure that we are projecting and forecasting in a way that is reflective of those risks. But I don't see the risks necessarily outweighing the opportunities anymore so going forward than they have in the past.

Speaker 1

I think importantly, Mike, we are anticipate we have reflected that in the forecast for Q4 in terms of that impact, obviously, from those issues we saw that came up in Q3, continuing in Q4. And obviously, we've anticipated that in terms of the updated guide. So we haven't made any different assumptions around opportunities outweighing that in a different way than what had played out this quarter.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Dan Leonard from UBS. Please ask your question.

Speaker 11

Hi, thanks. Another question on large pharma demand, which I think is similar to David's. As we're all trying to guess who is customer number 2, we can come up with half a dozen names that fit the descriptor in your press release, which is what begs the question on whether this issue is really isolated or not. So are there some examples you can share where perhaps the headlines that we're reading aren't really mapping to your experience in your revenue growth with the customers? And if I can ask a second part, same question.

Speaker 11

Elsewhere in the R and D supplier landscape, looking at equipment suppliers, for example, they've been talking about large pharma weakness for a good 18 months now. So what comfort do you have that there is some pig through the Python phenomenon going on here where you're just getting hit with a lag? I think we could be talking about this for a good while longer.

Speaker 2

Dan, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Do you want to run that for me again, please?

Speaker 11

Yes. The first question, so you mentioned 2 customers in large pharma, right? And one of them, I guess, we can presume is Pfizer and we're all trying to guess who is customer number 2. And we're looking at your descriptors around pipeline prioritization and development models and just trying to map those to headlines. There's half a dozen names that investors can readily come up with, which is what is begging the question on whether or not the issues are isolated.

Speaker 11

And I wonder if one of the ways to address that is perhaps you could share examples where there have been some negative headlines, but you're still growing despite that because of all the reasons you just talked about earlier, if that would help add some comfort?

Speaker 2

All right. Let me have a crack at that. We're not going to we don't talk about specific customers, at least we don't name specific customers, you know that. But I think it's we believe they are the issues that we have with these customers are isolated to them. And it's not that they are the only ones moving in the direction they are, whether changing their development model or moving towards a more functional approach.

Speaker 2

It is the issue for us, of course, is that they are very significant customers for us and they're both going in the same direction at a similar rate of knots. And so that's the specific issue that we have. And to be a bit more specific, as they change their model, we anticipate we certainly anticipated a decline in revenues from a certain part of their business in terms of their full service work. What we also expected was a much more significant uptick in their functional business. And that's really where the what hasn't happened so much.

Speaker 2

And so the sort of differential, if you like, has become much more expanded than we anticipated at the beginning of the year and even as we went midway through the year. So that's it's that differential of what they would we thought they would award us versus what they have and that's really because they haven't been doing that work because of the budget cuts. I think they've been cutting back on their pipeline. And so it is very specific. We do believe it is somewhat it is totally isolated to these.

Speaker 2

So it's not that others aren't moving in as they're doing similar things, but they're certainly not having the sort of impact that they have on our portfolio and our level of work. So I hope that helps you to clarify that. In terms of the other some other customers or other sorry companies in related industries and their commentary on the large pharma models, I can't comment specifically on their businesses or what they do. We don't see this as a sort of something that's going to extend further. We do see it as a relatively isolated issue that's happening, as I say, with 2 of our largest.

Speaker 2

We work though with all of the large pharma customers and across the totality, as I said, of the business, we feel pretty good about where that's going and we certainly feel pretty good about the opportunity to gain market share. We believe we're doing that and we believe going forward we'll be able to do that more and we'll reflect that more in our growth rates in the more mid to long term than we will in the short term. We're still working through, as I said, this transition period as we move that pig through the snake, to sort of coin your analogy. We believe we're going to be in a good position to grow the entirety of that segment in a more consistent and a more long term manner. So overall, I'll keep saying it, we see medium to long term constructive and positive on the market and on our ability to grow within it.

Speaker 2

It's a transition period here for 2 to 3 quarters that we're working through. And as you've seen from our guidance, we've got a challenging quarter in Q4 to deliver and we're going to do that. And then we'll move into next year and on the basis of what we got in January, we'll give you a flavor for what's going to happen then.

Operator

We're now going to proceed with our next question. And it comes from the line of Jaylendra Singh from Tuohy Securities. Please ask your question.

Speaker 12

Thank you and thanks for taking my questions. Just a quick clarification, which could be just yes or no answer. That low to mid single digit growth rate for 2025, is that just organic or you're including M and A there? And then my main question on backlog burn rate decline of 60 basis points sequentially. Can you share some details around how much of this drop was driven by business mix versus like some of the non vaccine related opportunities not converting to revenues in the quarter?

Speaker 12

And how do you think about these non vaccine opportunities coming back in the future? Just trying to understand how should we think about burn rate beyond Q4? Clearly, Q4 looks like similar to Q3, but thinking about the long term burn rate expectations.

Speaker 2

Yes. Okay. So as I think about low to mid Jalinder, we think about organic on that front. So I'll just be straight up with you on that one. That's our expectation.

Speaker 2

That is not guidance. All right. I want to reiterate that is not guidance. We haven't done that. We'll do that in January.

Speaker 2

So hold your horses on that one. But that's where we normally place our expectations. In terms of vaccines and burn, as I said from our previous call, we pushed out some significant vaccine work into next year. That has I guess some positives and some challenges for us. As you know, the mix of direct fee and pass through changes, The pass throughs go up quite substantially with that work which has some pressure on our margins certainly in the first half of the year as that work burns through.

Speaker 2

But then on the positive side of course it does burn quickly significantly faster than our sort of normal rate of burn. And so with that in mind, we would expect and look to see a modest a very modest overall improvement in our burn rate, assuming that work happens. That work's been a bit volatile and it's been pushed back. And so at the moment it's happening. The initial stages of those trials are underway.

Speaker 2

We are recruiting patients albeit in a fairly modest way and that was always the plan. So that work has started and we do expect it to come into next year. But as I say, this vaccine work is notoriously volatile and challenging, but it does help us very much from a burn point of view and an ability to push a reasonable growth rate in 2025. I hope that answers your question.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Eric Coldwell from Baird. Please ask your question.

Speaker 13

Thank you. Why is unbilled revenue up 45% year over year? And have you sold receivables this period or year to date? And then my follow-up or other add on here is what company did you buy at the end of 3Q? And what is the impact of that?

Speaker 13

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Hey, Eric. It's Brandon here. I might take the first part of the first two parts of that question. Just in terms of the unbilled position, this is just part of this is the market we live in. Now we've seen a lot of and obviously this is predominantly driven by the large pharma customers as well in relation to their new contracting procedures over the last 12 months.

Speaker 3

We have seen them pushing out the milestones again trying to have fewer milestones in contracts. And sometimes certainly on new works that has that definitely has impacted us from an absolute perspective in terms of that unbilled level. I think you see from the cash receipts in the quarter, obviously, we're still in good nick and still targeting to make the free cash flow target for the year. But absolutely, it's a matter of focus for the organization as we go forward. I think one of the other compounding factors is we have seen less upfront elements of pass through payments.

Speaker 3

When they're looking at balance sheets of our size, you don't see that many people are kind of volunteering this piece. In terms of listen, we manage our debtor book appropriately over time. I think that is fair. I think we have done a decent job at that. Some of the large customers have payment methodologies that immediately put you into looking at things like customer programs effectively that have some elements of cost to them.

Speaker 3

That is fair. But that's just the way they're operating at this level now. And we've seen that from a couple of our large customers. So to that extent, we operate with them in those models, albeit it's not widespread across the book of business. And I think then on the second Yes.

Speaker 2

I mean, I'll take that. We did make a relatively modest size acquisition relating to an organization in Eastern Europe to supplement our Eastern European capabilities. They work in the biotech segment. They work in the functional segment. They made an immaterial contribution to Q3.

Speaker 2

And frankly, it's a relatively small contribution to Q4 as well. But that's the source of the majority of the increase in headcount. We also see an uptick in our functional services group when we brought on some billable or revenue generating people from our functional group in the quarter. And that's also part of that increase in headcount. So I hope that explains that to you, Eric.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Matt Sykes from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question.

Speaker 14

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just going back to the identified opportunities that didn't materialize in the quarter. Were there any specific themes to why those didn't materialize? Was it price?

Speaker 14

Was it reach? I mean anything that you can kind of call out that the reason why those didn't materialize or there was really a case by case basis? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Matt, every case is different. I think if there was one thing, it was really around the biotech segment and some uncertainty about whether they were able to get in some cases get funding for the work and that's always a factor. Well, it's often a factor with some of these companies. They're cautious with what they have. They're looking to look at their development programs and make sure that they're developing the right indication and there's some delays around that, as I say, delays around funding or gaining funding from it as well.

Speaker 2

So it really has to say, it was more a biotech thing and it was probably more around the availability of finance. We obviously talk to our customers before we take awards and certainly before we start projects and make sure that they are well funded, that they have the capital to do that. We're very cautious about that, making sure that their balance sheet and that they have that money. That we didn't sort of hold up or not take an award on that basis at all. But it really is, I think, reflective of the continued challenges within the funding environment that caused those delays.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Jack Meehan from Nephron Research. Please ask your question.

Speaker 15

Thank you. Steve, a question for you. As you look at the large pharma pressure, do you think any of this relates to customers assessing their concentration of work with Icon? So I look back, when you

Speaker 11

did the PRA deal, it was probably the

Speaker 15

most seamless CERO acquisition I've ever seen. But there's been this question of whether maybe sponsors are rightsizing their budgets, maybe Icon is seeing some disproportionate pressure because of the concentration went up with PRA, even though you're a few years into the deal. I was curious if that's come up at all. And then one question for Brendan. Can you just the comment on the growing roll of pass throughs in 2025, is there a way to think about what that might mean in terms of a drag relative to revenue growth?

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, Jack. In terms of the concentration of customers, I think it would be fair to say that 1 or 2 have looked at if PRA and ICON were significant providers in the previous mix and now we've come together, they've looked at that and they've been in 1 or 2 cases brought on another competitor. I think that's what we expected and that's happened. In most of the cases, at least in the cases I can think of that that's happened, we've continued to outperform and we've continued to deliver. And that it probably has been the source of some challenge in terms of continued revenue growth within those customers.

Speaker 2

But we feel like we've continued to develop. But yes, so as you do these unions and you get access to other customers through the scale that we've been developing and we've been pretty clear and upfront about the new strategic partners we brought on, there has been 1 or 2 cases I think been an extra competitor brought in. It's not that we've gone out. It's an extra competitor that's brought in, which has increased or at least made the competition to continue.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think, Jack, your question probably relates to my answer on the last one, which is we're not seeing the same quantum of book from payments on pass throughs anymore. But that doesn't change the quantum of pass throughs. It just changes the cash flow. So in terms of how that impacts next year, we haven't seen any decrease in the absolute quantum of pass throughs that we're seeing as an organization.

Speaker 3

And as a consequence, there's no additional drag as a result of change in mix of pass throughs. But that remains relatively consistent. The only thing that pushes that up and down, of course, as we've talked about a little bit is vaccines and particularly COVID studies, which obviously might have an impact depending on the timing of ZYN.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Casey Woodring from JPMorgan. Please ask your question.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you for fitting me in. Just curious to hear what you guys are seeing in terms of the preclinical and discovery pipeline working its way through to clinical here in this current volatile environment. Wondering if this is really just a 2 to 3 quarter dynamic or transition period as Steve you kind of referred to it as working through several customers rightsizing budgets or if this is really the start of a longer slowdown in pipeline progression just based on what you're seeing on the preclinical side? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure, Casey. Unequivocally, we believe this is related to our those 2 larger customers and the biotech uncertainties and the vaccines, it's not something we're seeing flowing through from preclinical. The link between preclinical and our particularly large Phase 2, Phase 3 business is pretty tenuous in the short to medium term. Perhaps in the very long term, you might get some sort of but there's such an attrition rate of compounds from the preclinical into the early clinical and Phase II that you've got to have an enormous impact on preclinical, I think really to impact the clinical stage work. So I would completely reject any thesis that that's playing into this.

Speaker 2

It really is, we believe, a fairly isolated and relatively short term issue that we're working through here. And we expect that within the next 2 to 3 quarters, we'll be moving well through it.

Speaker 1

Yes. And I'll just add quickly, actually in the early phase, more in the Phase 1 space, it's actually been quite good in terms of overall activity, particularly on the award front. We called that out, obviously, in addition to labs as being a nice performer for us in the quarter. So actually, we're not seeing that even on the early end, early stages of our business. Good point.

Operator

We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Charles Rhyee from TD Cowen. Please ask your question.

Speaker 16

Yes, thanks for squeezing me in. Just Steve, you mentioned earlier about capital deployment and you're looking at a bunch of opportunities in the short term. Can you give us a little bit more sense? Would these be more material than the one that you just talked about in Eastern Europe? Maybe

Operator

and

Speaker 16

I guess the follow on to that is anything to suggest that you couldn't do both M and A and buyback shares given where your leverage is currently?

Speaker 2

I'll answer your second question first, Charles. No, we believe we can do both. We believe our balance sheet is and our cash collections have been excellent this quarter. So we believe we're in a strong position from a balance sheet point of view to be able to deploy either in M and A and or in share buyback and we'll be opportunistic certainly on the share buyback side of things. The size of the M and A opportunities we're contemplating, they're not huge that are transformational.

Speaker 2

They are similar size to the one I described previously. We are looking to supplement and to improve our current operations. So whether it be in the lab space, whether it be in the patient or site space, potentially in late phase real world, those sorts of areas are the areas that we think we can make a sensible acquisition that can actually improve

Speaker 6

our overall performance. So it's more than just what

Speaker 2

we bring in from a revenue and EBITDA. Performance. So it's more than just what we bring in from a revenue and EBITDA point of view. It's what we can synergistically get from a revenue and obviously from a cost, but from a revenue and a performance point of view. If we can prosecute our projects better for our customers, we are able to burn revenue all that good stuff you will know about that.

Speaker 2

So those are the sorts of areas we're looking at, areas where we can really turbocharge if you like our clinical operations particularly in the Phase 2, Phase 3 area and burn that work, get that work done for our customers more effectively and more efficiently. So those are the areas we look at.

Operator

In the interest of time, we will end the question and answer session. And I will hand back to Steve Gessler for closing remarks. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you, operator, and thank you all for attending the call today. We're not where we anticipated to be at this point of the year. And when you look at the underlying business, excluding the factors that we outlined, we are continuing to outperform the market and our market position does continue to get stronger as we expand the number of partnerships we have within the top 30 pharma group. And we are obviously very focused on continuing to help our customers who are under pressure to structure their development organizations in a more efficient way for their pipelines of the future.

Speaker 2

So overall, we remain very constructive on our mid term growth prospects and optimistic that we can progress our performance over the short term very effectively. Thanks all for attending.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.

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