Data I/O Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 24, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Data IO Third Quarter 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr.

Operator

Jordan Darrow, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and welcome to the Data IO Corporation's Q3 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. With me today are the company's President and CEO, Bill Wentworth and Chief Financial Officer and Vice President, Jerry Ng. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that statements made in this conference call concerning future events, results from operations, financial position, markets, economic conditions, supply chain expectations, estimated impact of tax and other regulatory reform, product releases, new industry partnerships and any other statements that may be construed as a prediction of future performance or events are forward looking statements, which involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, which may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. These factors include uncertainties as to the impact on global and geopolitical events, international trade regulations, order levels for the company and the activity level of the automotive and semiconductor industry overall, ability to record revenues based on the timing of product deliveries and installations, market acceptance of new products, changes in economic conditions and market demand, parts shortages, pricing and other activities by competitors and other risks, including those described from time to time in the company's filings on Forms 10 ks and 10 Q with the Securities and Exchange Commission, press releases and other communications.

Speaker 1

The accuracy and completeness of forward looking statements should not be unduly relied upon. Gate. Io is under no duty to update any forward looking statements. And now, I would like to turn over the call to Bill Wentworth, President and CEO of Gate. Io.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much, Jordan. It is an honor to be presiding over this call, which is May 1, with Data IO. While I was appointed to serve on the company's Board of Directors last year, we announced the Managed CEO transition plan in August of this year as President effective September 1 and CEO 1 October. We'll address our recent financial performance for the Q3 ending September 30 later on this call. It may be helpful in discussing my background experiences that are very extremely relevant to the future direction of Data IO.

Speaker 2

I've had 30 years of experience with data programming since a very young age of 16 that began when I worked for my father's distribution company. After getting exposure in the technology industry, I founded Source Electronics, an independent regional programming service provider with a partner in 1988. At Source, I started my career as of Operations and used Data IO's programming solutions extensively through our operations. As Source expanded to become a national independent programming service provider, the semiconductor industry had significant growth in the late '90s early 2000s, which drove Source to expand into international markets. As CEO of Source, we needed financing to expand into international markets, which led to a strategic investment from HIG Capital in April of 2001.

Speaker 2

As we grew the business in the early 2000s, we decided to sell the business to Avnet in 2,008, providing a significant investor return. Fast forward to present day, I see a big opportunity in an industry that I know very well. We intend to address the industry's current challenges. And I'm very excited to lead Data IO given the market opportunities and set the stage for the heightened value creation for our customers, business partners and shareholders. Now let's drill into how we would do this.

Speaker 2

Since recently joining the company, our team has thoroughly engaged in discovery, assessment and planning of new strategies to drive significant value to our customers in the markets we serve today. The initial findings are encouraging as we set a new direction to address our existing markets and serve new markets and DataRail's future growth. DataRail intends to partner with its customers, suppliers and enhance the overall customer experience. The company will be collaborating with our customers, customer base on our vast experience with programming solutions and will develop enhanced business models that could lead to higher margins. Diversification of revenue streams, extremely important in customer segments will be a very important element as our go forward strategy.

Speaker 2

We've identified customers that could lead to additional domains that will diversify our revenue. Currently, Data IO is dominant in the automotive electronics sector. We will be engaging with the electronics supply chain component suppliers who sell to all markets. This engagement will naturally diversify our revenue streams. Leveraging the strong balance sheet, we'll be able to invest in these strategies to move data around should lead to sustained in sustainable growth.

Speaker 2

Thanks to the work of Jerry and his finance team since he came on board last year and as a Board of Directors member, he's been doing a phenomenal job in controlling expenses and really cementing our capabilities around financial controls. Year to date, operating expenses are down by more than $1,000,000 11% from last year. Our cash balance at the end of 3rd quarter is the highest level in 10 quarters. While revenues and bookings were not where we like them to be, as I joined the company, we're optimizing on the areas to be well positioned to implement our new growth strategies for the future. With that, I'd like to pass it over to Jerry Ng for a closer look at our recent financial performance.

Speaker 2

Jerry?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Bill, and good day to everyone. I look forward to outlining and elaborating on our recent financial performance in more detail. My comments today will focus on key points of interest for the Q3 of 2024 and our perspectives looking forward, including market focus, progress on spending efficiencies and balance sheet management. Despite the current automotive market headwinds in the Americas and Europe, Data IO's financial condition remained solid at the end of Q3. We maintained a strong backlog, a healthy balance sheet and a lower operating cost structure, which will contribute to improved future financial performance as the markets recover and as we implement our future transformative plans as Bill commented on earlier.

Speaker 3

Despite the Q3 and year to date revenue shortfalls, cash remained relatively steady at $12,400,000 as of September 30, up $1,000,000 from the $11,400,000 at the end of Q2. Cash benefited from continued strong customer collections and lower operating expenses. We remain a cash generating business as reflected in our positive adjusted EBITDA of $37,000 in Q3. Accounts receivable was $2,600,000 as of September 30, with days sales outstanding or DSO improving to 43 days compared to 55 days at the end of Q2. Inventory at $6,600,000 increased from $5,900,000 at the beginning of the year on lower sales year to date and in anticipation of higher sales from future backlog reductions from bookings closed earlier in the year.

Speaker 3

Overall, net working capital at $17,600,000 at the end of Q3 was unchanged from the end of Q2 2024. The company continues to have no debt. Moving to the income statement. 3rd quarter revenue at $5,400,000 was down 17% compared with $6,600,000 from the prior year period. Since the beginning of the year, automotive electronics uncertainty increased and customer capacity expansion has slowed, resulting in lower system shipments in the Americas and Europe.

Speaker 3

Offsetting this headwind was our Asia channel, which grew 29% in Q3 and 26% year to date. While the sales of our systems to the automotive market are below our expectations, we continue to achieve steady performance from our programming centers, industrial markets and recurring revenue offerings. Specifically, our consumables, software and services grew 6% in Q3 and currently represents 50% of our total year to date revenue, which provides a steady base of revenue to help offset the present CapEx softness. Finally, backlog remains strong at $4,700,000 as of September 30, down only $700,000 from the start of the quarter, with further reductions expected as planned customer deliveries occur in the next two quarters. Moving on to gross margin, we achieved 54% in Q3, which is comparable to our prior quarter Q2 and prior year Q3.

Speaker 3

The lower sales volume has hindered our margins due to relatively fixed manufacturing service costs. However, material cost reductions, inventory savings, quality improvements and operational streamlining continue to generate favorable and sustainable impacts. Similarly, I would like to address the continued progress we have made on operating expenses. 3rd quarter operating were $3,200,000 down $334,000 or 9% from the prior year and down $1,300,000 or 11% on a year to date basis. Core personnel, facilities, IT and other outside services costs declined through, of course, prioritization of critical initiatives and overall efficiency improvements.

Speaker 3

This lower and more efficient cost structure has allowed the company to partially mitigate the year to date revenue shortfall, while positioning us to fund critical future market, product and other transformative investments to drive future growth. The company incurred a net loss of $307,000 for Q2, an improvement of $490,000 from the Q2 net loss of $797,000 The Q3 loss was due largely to lower revenue, which again was partially offset by lower operating expenses. Despite the current challenges and its impact on our sales performance, we continue to focus on providing the highest product innovation and quality, service and support and new offerings to our customer. Looking ahead, we expect continued near term market headwinds, which will be partially mitigated by continued backlog reductions in the coming quarters, as well as of course leveraging the progress we have made on managing costs that I have highlighted. Overall, we remain very solid financially with a strong cash position, no debt and again improved cost and operating structure, which enable us to begin implementing our new and reimagined market approach.

Speaker 3

This concludes my remarks for the Q3 of 2024. Before we take questions, we are excited to participate in a few upcoming events. These include the NASDAQ Closing Bell Ring Ceremony scheduled for October 24 in New York and the LD Micro Main Event Conference on October 30. We look forward to seeing you there. Operator, could you please start the Q and A process?

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And the first question will come from David Marsh with Singular Research. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 4

Hi, guys. Thank you for taking the questions and welcome aboard.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 4

So if we could just talk about auto for a minute and maybe you could just talk a little bit more about the pace of activity that you're seeing, whether it be bidding activity or anything else that can give us kind of a better indication of maybe what the timeframe for recovery in demand in that sector looks like?

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. Thanks for the question. It's obviously been a choppy market out there for the last really most of the year. And as you know, EVs drove a lot of content and expansion in that market as well as even hybrids as cars take on more technology as a content of the vehicle. We do believe and we do know that they kind of overshot that a little bit, that caused the slowness.

Speaker 2

It's also the infrastructure of EVs obviously slowing down the pace of that adoption as well. But we have seen some socket module increases in certain areas, which means which is a good sign of some production starting to bleed back in the space. We don't see any significant pace of growth of increase, but we do expect sometime next year to some of that starting to enter back into the market as well as new models coming out. It is a significant amount of our business, but at the same time, it's a market that will continue to grow in the future and it's just paced right now is the best way to describe it. I do believe we're at the kind of the bottom of the trough, still bumping a little bit, but do believe at some time those troughs definitely start to lead back upward.

Speaker 4

And Bill, I think one of the things that I caught on to in your comments that actually is pretty encouraging to me was your mention of kind of broader expansion into more and different end markets. I mean, could you talk about maybe a few that sort of stand out in your mind as maybe low hanging fruit opportunities? I mean, I know that the company has been good in industrial, but beyond that, I don't really know, there's never really been a lot of talk about specific markets highlighted.

Speaker 2

Yes. And another great question, obviously, is I've done a lot of discovery work over the last 60 days. And being in this industry as well as an independent service provider, it's about really inserting yourself in the path of the supply chain, right? I mean, it's great to service on those direct customers, but who can you partner with that can drive significant more system sales, but also other products within our portfolio, such as manual and semi manual systems, which also expands your platform as well. So, examples would be things like the global component distribution companies such as the arrows and the Avnets and EMS contract manufacturers who already have a diversified customer base.

Speaker 2

We just need to adapt some of our business models and how we manage and service that sector, which we're definitely capable of doing. There's going to be some changes necessary internally to do it as well as we need to do to service those clients. But that automatically diverses the customer base because the arrows and the omniscience are really a really good barometer of what's going on in the global supply chains. So we'll be focusing in on those supply chain partners that serve a broader markets.

Speaker 4

That makes a lot of sense. Let me jump back in the queue and let some others have a shot.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure.

Operator

The next question will come from Michael Cooper, Investor. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

My question is around the executive compensation. Here's a company that for the last 10 years hasn't made any money for shareholders. You've been utilizing our capital for all that time. Anthony Ambrose has pulled over $6,000,000 out of the company in terms of stock options and pay. Last year, you got a raise to $775,000 So I'm just wondering, is this company being run for executives or for shareholders?

Speaker 5

And what is the new CEO compensation package? And what are the what's the philosophy around aligning executive compensation and performance? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. This is Jerry Ng and I will take that particular call. So obviously, most of the threads to your question here, but I will try to keep it at a high level. 1st and foremost, we are managed by the Board of Directors and as part of the Board of Directors, we do have a compensation committee. That compensation committee obviously looks at executive compensation on a recurring and annual basis.

Speaker 3

I believe the committee clearly looks at levels that are market competitive given the level, given the size of the company and so forth. So I think that's one criteria that is very structured and organized. Number 2, part of the comp structure, which is again available in our proxy, it's both a mix of both salary as well as a go through variable compensation, including stock grants. And again, very similarly, that is really looked at closely. A portion of the compensation is tied to obviously salary, a portion is tied to the performance of the company and the performance of the business, which in turn is also then tied to the value we generate for shareholders.

Speaker 3

So I think all those key concerns and points that you've noted, Michael, are things that the Board and the comp committee looks at as we establish and again as we establish compensation for executives.

Operator

The next question will come from Chris Tuttle with Blue Caterpillar. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I wonder if you could elaborate a little bit on the transition to a growth strategy. You've tightened the ship here, did a nice job and wants to down through a cyclical market. But what should we be looking for the company to be back on a growth path? Are there do we need to wait and see some new products announced, new marketing initiatives?

Speaker 6

Or is this just going to be something that shows up in booking growth and maybe you could venture some rough time frames on that?

Speaker 2

Gary, you want to take the first half and I'll color it in.

Speaker 3

Yes, yes, I'll jump in. And Chris, good question. But I will give you a couple of different frames in my response. First frame, short term versus long term. Obviously, we are focused on what we need to deliver today, this month, this quarter and this year.

Speaker 3

And so we have clearly active participation initiatives from our sales marketing and the rest of the organization on how we can drive performance now. Obviously, those initiatives are going to be a little more focused on our current available products and more on how we go to market. So that's clearly an emphasis. Again, we need to balance that with obviously the current market dynamics. At the same time, we clearly have longer term opportunities that Bill and team are looking at that we have indicated.

Speaker 3

Some are going to be on a product level in terms of how we optimize, improve and maybe even emphasize different components of our product line. Some of it is going to be channel. Our Asia market has done really well this year, but our Americas and European market have not. And so there is some go to market initiatives and opportunities that we can improve upon that may deliver results, not maybe necessarily tomorrow, but clearly in the near term. And then, of course, you always get into the discussion around organic versus inorganic.

Speaker 3

And so I think everything is on the table in terms of our focus short term, long term as well as organic and inorganic product versus go to market activities.

Speaker 2

And Chris, to add to that, so I'll go back to kind of my early days in this industry. And then since I've been in this space for a very long time. And when I started source, DataRio was our supplier. They were our only supplier. And the reason why is because one of the things that DataRio did very well back in those days is that their brand, their manual programming centers were given out to a lot of engineering labs and development teams and that's how build up the device library and algorithms.

Speaker 2

And when you wanted to program a part, the option was the brand was Data IO. And so when I look back at that, what brought Data IO to that point of that level of recognition across our industry, when I got here and started to do some discovery work, I'm like, what's going on in that manual and desktop and semi manual systems and what are we doing in that space? How are we broadening our customer base? How are we broadening our device support? And they found a gap.

Speaker 2

And so we're looking at that space and we have products in that space that we can push now. But do they need to be updated? Sure. It's been a little while. So we're looking to look at some of the product gaps.

Speaker 2

They're not huge, but small they're big enough to that if we when we fill them, it will expand our device library and expand the brand. And by doing that and getting in early in those engineering labs, you're expecting early when they go to production, which will lead to system sales. So when I talk about small gap, it seems small, but when you actually execute, it becomes a big growth driver as an example. Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 6

Okay. Yes, that's helpful. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. Would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much, operator. To our listeners and participating in today's event, we trust coming away from this call, you will share in our excitement and enthusiasm, the next phase of growth of Data IO. At this point, I'd like to conclude the call. Enjoy the rest of your day. Goodbye and look forward to seeing some of you out in New York City

Operator

week. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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