Energy Fuels Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 1, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Ina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Energy Fuel's Third Quarter 2024 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session where you will be able to ask one question and one follow-up question should you desire.

Operator

Thank you. Mr. Chalmers, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much. And again, Mark Chalmers, I'm President and CEO of Energy Fuels, and thank you for joining this conference call today. And I can say with absolute confidence that momentum is growing for our company quicker than ever before. On three fronts, uranium production, ramp up, 3 mines are operating, more are planned, rare earths. We've achieved commercial separation, our Phase 1 plant and our expansion projects are advancing.

Speaker 1

The heavy mineral sands and the closing of base resources on October 2, the moving forward of the Donald joint venture FID decision and expiration at Bahia. And on top of that, we have the isotopes. But so it really is an exciting time for energy fuels. And I will go through a presentation as I normally do on the progress in more detail shortly. The conference call will have replays available on the website later today or tomorrow.

Speaker 1

And so people can refer to that if they are not able to attend this call at this point in time. As always, at the end of the presentation, Zena said there will be time for questions. And I have Nate Bennett, our Interim CFO and Chief Accounting Officer and Dave Friedland, our Senior VP and Chief Legal Officer, will also be available to answer any questions that I'm not able to do so. So let's get going. And certainly, this first slide, and I always say I love this slide because it's in close proximity to the White Mesa Mill in San Juan County.

Speaker 1

And really the title Clean Energy starts with us. And I always say on steroids because that has not changed. Next slide. I may be making some forward looking statements as those are included on the Slide 2 in the presentation. Next slide.

Speaker 1

And again, many of you have seen this slide, but really we're building a business around our ability to process uranium. And that is really our advantage that we have that nobody really has out there with exception of perhaps the Chinese. And so our why is really the ability to recover critical elements that contain natural occurring radioactive materials. So when you look at uranium, if we're mining some of our uranium, vanadium projects, Again, the combatant on the Nader is uranium. The rare earth elements contain uranium and other radionuclides.

Speaker 1

Heavy mineral sands have a long history of having radionuclides with monazite, the uranium recycling and medical isotopes, and all built on a very strong financial strength. So again, this is playing to our strengths here. And not having the ability and the knowledge and the licenses and the permits to recover uranium and deal with the radionuclides is our secret weapon here. Next slide. So you look at the company, several high value product lines, uranium, and I've said this many times, we produced 2 thirds of uranium since about 2017.

Speaker 1

We're ramping up these 3 existing mines to a run rate of about £1,100,000 to £1,400,000 by the end of this year, and we will achieve that. The rare earths and most of you are very aware of the requirements. They were the most powerful magnets required for electric vehicles, wind and other technologies. We successfully commissioned our Phase 1 separation plant at the beginning of this year and it has capability up to 1,000 tons per annum, which is equivalent to about 1,000,000 electric vehicles. The heavy mineral sands, I'll talk more on that.

Speaker 1

The addition of that is very exciting to us, really focused on the titanium and zirconium elements, but also the material amounts of monazite that come with the heavy mineral sands securing our sources of molecules going forward. Vanadium, and we don't get a lot of airtime on that currently because price of vanadium is down, but we have the only conventional vanadium plant in North America that can also restart in due course when prices are higher. And our recycling, which is really something that we built the company around over years, that is still there and we're currently recycling uranium, ores as we speak. And that built on the financial strength at quarter close, we had US183 $1,000,000 of working capital. Most of that is in cash and marketable securities and large inventories of uranium and vanadium.

Speaker 1

Next slide. So what we have here and this is what's extraordinary and unusual. We have 3 businesses in 1. We have a U. S.

Speaker 1

Leading uranium company and we have been the U. S. Leading uranium company for decades. And then you have a rare earth element, quickly emerging rare earth element company or sector, which has we believe will have global significance for NDPR and DYNTB, the elements to get the most efficient electric motors out there because of the characteristics of those elements. And then now, heavy mineral sands.

Speaker 1

And we believe we will and are well on the path to being globally significant in the titanium and zirconium areas with the ability to also recover monazite. So that's what energy fuels is. And I always say this, we are valued as a uranium only company, but this is moving forward in leaps and bounds. Next slide. We talk about our Q3 financial highlights.

Speaker 1

Next slide. We had a net loss of $12,000,000 for the quarter. That was really largely result of transaction cost and that was offset a bit by uranium sales. We elected to sell £50,000 of uranium and really we elected not to sell any more than that because the prices were lower. But that is just a matter of timing because we're currently mining this uranium and hauling it to the mill and stockpiling it.

Speaker 1

And so it's really a point of catching up as the mill restarts. And the mill is running right now on uranium feeds from both our alternate feed and some of the low grade material that we had from a project in New Mexico. So we can and are in the position to do potential additional spot sales as required. We don't have any other contractual terms this year and we have some lighter contractual terms next year. So we're really getting the flywheel moving.

Speaker 1

So when you look at it in whole, we have nearly $200,000,000 in liquidity. As I said, working capital of $183,000,000 atquarterend. When you look at our product inventories at current prices, you can add another $10,000,000 or so there. The inventories, we have £235,000 of uranium inventories is finished. About £900,000 of vanadium and we have over £800,000 of work in progress that can be processed at the mill.

Speaker 1

So when you add up the finish and the work in progress, we have north of £1,000,000 of uranium either finished or in the process of being finished. And then in addition to that, we have some rare earth carbonate and we have about 38 tons of NDPR in inventory and no debt, no debt and we're very proud of that. Next slide. So the big news in October was the closing of the transaction acquisition of Base Resources on October 2. We had a separate conference call in that regard a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1

And we were just so excited about that because we think it is the foundation of being a company maker with these other parts of our business strategy. And BASE has now become a wholly owned subsidiary of Energy Fuels. They have a very experienced management team that is proven in the heavy mineral sand business and that comes with this combination, which again we think gives extraordinary momentum and expertise there. And they have an exceptional track record on safety, environmental stewardship and profitability. So with that also comes 100% ownership of the Tolar project in Madagascar, which we believe is one of the best heavy mineral sand deposits globally.

Speaker 1

And we also I believe it is one of the biggest sources of monazite out there in the world. And I believe in due course, it has the ability to be one of the lowest cost rare earth mines in the world. It is a massive resource. It has opportunity for further expansion. As I mentioned, it's both the titanium and zirconium project containing monazite and xenotime, which are the rare earths that will come along with the mining of that.

Speaker 1

And we believe also represents a source of monazite where effectively because the byproduct of the monazite it comes along for free. And that monazite xenotime that is produced will be processed at the White Mesa Mill facility in Utah. Next slide. So you look at this slide and the blue. And the blue is what we have had for years.

Speaker 1

When you look at the uranium assets that we have, we're headquartered in Denver as many of you know, the White Mesa Mill in Utah. And these are all assets that we've managed for decades. So we have the team in place here in Denver to manage those assets like we have for years. Now in the Southern Hemisphere with the head office in Perth, with base taking the management of the heavy mineral sands, which they've been doing for the last decade plus. Certainly, they have the Tolliar project that we believe is advancing in a very positive way with the Madagascar government.

Speaker 1

There's still we don't have an exact date we can provide, but we still believe we're in a good position there. But also managing the final days of the Qualia project in Kenya and also the base team is already doing work and participating with the Donald joint venture in Victoria, Australia that we're moving towards the FID decision. And they are also weighing in on the exploration at the Bahia project in the Southern Hemisphere or in Brazil. So I think the point I want to make, if people think we're overstretching ourselves, we already have the history of managing the blue in the northern hemisphere, which is really the hydrometallurgy and the uranium projects and the rare earth value add of processing. In the southern hemisphere, the physical metallurgy is being managed by base with their long history.

Speaker 1

And this is where it is a unique combination and that's where it is so complementary to our plans going forward. Next slide. So this is a real interesting slide and Tim Carstens from BASE put this slide together and I really like it. But it shows how on the left hand side, the mines, the uranium mines that we have and then you look at the mineral sands projects that we've accumulated or the relationships we have with companies like Chemours and you see how that kind of marches across here. The uranium goes to White Mesa Mill, gets further, it processed the uranium ores get processed into yellowcake on the right hand side there, the end products.

Speaker 1

And then you also have the monazite also goes to White Mesa, it gets processed into the rare earth oxides. And then you have the heavy mineral sands. And so what we've accumulated here and you can really say we are asset rich as a company is we have the control of our molecules in the ground to go forward to further value adding at White Mesa. Now currently in Phase 1, the White Mesa Mill, the Phase 1 separation plant and the uranium plant are all one plant. I mean, we have separate solvent extraction circuit for the rare earths.

Speaker 1

And in Phase 1, though, we share the mill. When we move to Phase 2, we will separate the mill from the rare earth processing facility and there'll be 2 complete separate facilities. But it isn't holding us back at all when it comes to our current plans for the next few years. So when you look at again this graph and move to the right, the end products as you end up with around 10 critical element products, uranium, vanadium advancing towards medical isotopes, rare earth oxides, titanium and zirconium. And I want to point out that we already know and have produced uranium for years.

Speaker 1

We have produced vanadium for years. The medical isotopes is new. The rare earth oxides, we have demonstrated we can do that commercially, recently with the commissioning of the Phase 1 plant. And then you look at, the base team has a long history of producing the titanium and the zirconium. So this is not a dream here we have folks.

Speaker 1

This is a plan for a world significant critical mineral hub that with the proven expertise and with proven mines and the proven pipeline of mines, we are focused on building something of world significance. Next slide. So we'll talk a bit more about uranium, which has been our core business for decades and will continue to be our core business for decades. Next slide. We have signed have a total of 4 contracts that we have signed to date.

Speaker 1

I mentioned the uranium inventories, the work in progress finished goods. So somewhere north of £1,000,000 of uranium inventory in different stages. We did sell in the Q1 £200,000 under long term contracts for about $75 per pound, but we've also sold this year about £250,000 of uranium on the spot for around $91.50 a pound. Meanwhile, the spot price at the end of the quarter was about 82 dollars This morning, I think it's $79.50 When you look at the merchandise sales price of the under contract versus the spot, I think it was around $84 or something like that $85 So it's certainly been greater than the spot market. And that is one of the advantages having a blend of contracts and ability to sell into the market.

Speaker 1

We're also looking to expand the production and I'll talk about that more with reinitiating drilling at the Nichols Ranch and Production Area 2 and also advancing the Whirlwind project in Colorado. Next slide. So again, many of you have seen these slides where we're ramping up our uranium production over the next year or 2, up to £2,000,000 subject to just the continued strong market environment we're here, the White Mesa Mill. And as I said, uranium ore is going into the mill right now. The Pinion Plain mine in Arizona, the highest grade mine that I know of in the history of the United States.

Speaker 1

We're doing advanced development there and we're also doing drilling in what we call the Juniper zone. We're also working through, I believe in a very collaborative way with the Navajo Nation on the transport. We believe it's very positive and we believe that the concerns the Navajo Nation has had about transport of uranium ore, the negotiations we've been having have been very productive. And we're also trying to tie that in to have a win win with also assisting them with some of the cleanup of the abandoned uranium mines on the Navajo Nation, which are legacy mines, nothing to do with energy fuels, but we're trying to come up with a long term outcome here. It's a positive for the company and for the Navajo Nation and we're very excited about that.

Speaker 1

Nichols Ranch, I mentioned we're doing drilling. We're looking at a restart there in Du Qures. And then LaSalle Complex, we have 2 mines operating there as we speak. And those are uranium, vanadium mines. And as I mentioned, it's not in any of our list, but the Whirlwind mine is also mine that we're looking at advancing.

Speaker 1

And it is not too far from LaSalle, but it's in Colorado. Next slide, you look at the development pipeline. The Sheep Mountain project in Wyoming is an open pit underground mine. It is fully permitted. It's fully permitted.

Speaker 1

It's a very material project. The Roca Honda project, we're advancing the EIS at the Roca Honda, again, very material project. In New Mexico, very high grade for the United States, around 0 point 5% or so, but very high grade. And then the Henry Mountains project, the Bullfrog project, we're also initiating activities there. So this development pipeline in itself is significant and has the ability to increase above that £2,000,000 depending on the timing of those projects when they can be put into production of up to £5,000,000 or £6,000,000 of total production.

Speaker 1

So that is those are very exciting developments and we're moving all these projects forward to be in a position to produce as the uranium market supports. Next slide, we'll talk about the rare earths and heavy mineral sands here. Next slide. And I've talked about the Phase 1 facility that has been commissioned at the White Mesa Mill has the capability to process up to 1,000 tons of NDPR per year. And we had a few other residual costs in there and the costs are about $19,000,000 now.

Speaker 1

I think I'd said $16,000,000 But again, extraordinary to be able to build a facility like that for $19,000,000 Most people ask me to repeat that. And they usually ask 2 or 3 times. 1, it was 16, they go 19, 91, 200, they don't believe it and they can't believe it, but we did it. And the team at the mill did an extraordinary job there. So because of the successes that we've had with our securing of heavy mineral sands projects, We are looking to up rate that Phase 1 production capability up to 6,000 tons of NDPR, which is about equivalent to what Lyoness currently can produce and also be able to recover the DY and the TB in very material quantities.

Speaker 1

Now that is the ability to have the elements required for these electric vehicles of up to about 6,000,000 electric vehicles per year. Now let's put that in context that General Motors and Ford are looking at getting that up to around 2,000,000 electric vehicles per year at each of those. So 6,000,000 is a big number. I want to make another comment too that some people say, well, the EV business isn't moving forward like it should be or was planned to be. But what's interesting is that the plug in hybrids require the same amount of rare earths as an electric vehicle.

Speaker 1

And so we believe that the fundamentals are never been stronger. And so we're going to be in a great position to move forward with that. So we're advancing our focus on feasibility study to ramp up the project. We did the pre feasibility study showing that the operating cost of a kilogram of NDPR around $30 a kilogram. The current price is around $60 And if you get the monozite for a very low cost, which we think through our strategy, we can have what we believe will be very, very attractive operating costs globally and I believe could be very enviable in the business.

Speaker 1

So and we're doing this without diminishing our ability to produce uranium. And I think people still get confused with that, but that is the case. Next slide. So the heavy mineral sands, I already talked about the combination with base October 2, the Tolyara project in Madagascar. And again, I see that as just an unbelievable project to add into our quiver here going forward.

Speaker 1

The Qualia project, as I mentioned, is scheduled to finish mining at the end of 2024 and is getting in the final reclamation mode. We've secured through the combination of the base resource management, the Domino project as I mentioned moving to FID decision in 2025 in Bahia. So really when you look at the heavy mineral sand side of our business, we are getting significant interest around the world. I've had people come up to me and say, you have acquired the projects we wish we had acquired from heavy mineral sands companies. So watch this space.

Speaker 1

Next slide. Yes, looking at our strategy of integration from mining, from cracking, leaching and separation, We have done those already and have the ability to do those. I've mentioned to many of you, we have Deb Benethen from General Motors who joined us and she's helping us with these next steps, metals, alloys towards magnets. We are very focused on advancing our integration strategy to include the metals and alloys. So watch this space.

Speaker 1

You can see the little map of how these projects will feed back into the White Mesa Mill, a global footprint including Chemours. And so we are having a very diversified supply chain or we're building a diversified supply chain for our rare earth business and that gives us some country risk diversification and again building it to a very significant scale. Next slide. So this slide is pretty similar to what we've done in the past, but showing both Donald and Bahia and Tulliar. And when you look at the sum of and the Chemours at the bottom line there in the gray, that gets us, we believe, well placed for up to 6,000 tons of NDPR per year.

Speaker 1

But what we've added on the bottom there is we are advancing our uranium strategy. And we plan to be at that about £1,100,000, £1,400,000 by the end of this year, but building that up over time to about £2,000,000 And then with these other development projects in time and it does take time, we build up with having this uranium strategy advancing rapidly while we're getting all the other pieces into place with our rare earth strategy and our heavy mineral sand strategy. So this is exciting. So you see Phase 1 there and you see Phase 2 there in that 27, 28 and Phase 2 and Phase 3 and we are piloting heavies right now at the White Mesa Mill. So it is an aggressive strategy, but I can say watch this space, watch the momentum and see how we unfold this because now is the time to demonstrate our ability to execute.

Speaker 1

Next slide. So longer term growth opportunities. Next slide, the medical isotopes, I always say that when you're processing uranium ores, you're processing monazite, you solubilize a number of elements. And a couple of the elements that you solubilize is radium-226 and 2 28. We acquired Radtran in August, and there are companies specialized in separating critical isotopes, particularly radium-two twenty six and 2 28 to be used in targeted alpha therapies.

Speaker 1

And we've got a research and development license and we're planning to be recovering research and development quantities of radium-two twenty six later this year or early in 2025. And we're getting very significant interest in the ability to for companies, for pharmaceutical companies looking for sources of radium that they can put their foot on to take to that further chain of making these targeted alpha therapies for cancer treatment. So this is a sleeper. It's still early stages. And I didn't include it in those top 3 that are advancing rapidly, but this is also advancing rapidly.

Speaker 1

But we still have work to do. And so again, watch this space. Next slide. We'll talk a little bit about recycling and our commitment to the community. Next slide.

Speaker 1

You're ahead of me, Kim. We continue to be one of the largest private employers in San Juan County. We currently have about 80 employees at the White Mesa Mill and then we have 35 employees at the Pinon Plain Mine, which is not in San Juan County, but just south of it. And then you have the LaSalle Complex where we have our own uranium mine and the contract mine. And they combined, we've got about 150 people in the uranium space focused right now producing uranium.

Speaker 1

So this is a substantial effort on the uranium production front. I've talked about the advancements when we start looking to the future when we have Phase 2, Phase 3 at the mill, this is going to be a big deal for San Juan County and a big deal for Utah and a big deal for the United States when we have the capacity to produce these world quantity scale low cost critical elements, not one element, but up to 10 elements. And we've all seen how brutal the critical minerals space is when it comes to like lithium, graphite, cobalt, even the uranium. When uranium price went from $105 or $106 to $80 the price of equities is a 25% drop in uranium price and equities dropped around 50%. So it's brutal and we're looking for diversification.

Speaker 1

So when you look at and I mentioned the Navajo Nation with this transport agreement that we're working on, we're still front and center looking at helping the Navajo Nation on a cleanup of some of these abandoned mines. And I believe we can do so much there, which will be a really great outcome for both companies. And as I've mentioned before, the ability of the mill to recover and recycle uranium and vanadium that would have been lost previously disposal is the reason the mill has stood the test of time and is the only operable mill in the United States. The foundation as I've mentioned, we put $1,000,000 into the foundation a few years ago and we've committed 1% of the annual revenues for the White Mesa mill there and all focused on education, environment, wellness and a large portion going to Native American Priorities. Next slide.

Speaker 1

So this last slide on guidance and focus, we're looking at around £150,000 to £200,000 of finished uranium at the end of the year. And the main reason that is down a bit from previous is really just this working out this agreement with the Navajo Nation on the transport, which again, I think we're advancing well on. But meanwhile, we have almost £1,000,000 as I mentioned in inventory finished and work in progress and we're adding to that every day when we catch up. The mill processing will be running well into next year and beyond and there will be a bit of a catch up. So it's really just a lag of getting the material at the site and being able to process it.

Speaker 1

So we don't have any further contract sales this year. We do have some contract sales later next year of around £300,000 So that's not really affecting us at this point in time with getting this ore to the site for further processing. We may consider other spot sales if we feel we want to sell uranium. I talked about the 3 mines that are already operating and the focus to increase that. We mentioned I mentioned the commissioning of the Phase 1 NDPR circuit and the 38 tons of NDPR that's been produced, which we are sending out for qualification with metals and magnet makers right now.

Speaker 1

We have substantial quantities and we usually send them out a couple of kilograms. And if they say they need more, we say, well, you take a ton or 2 tons. And not many people can do that. Full speed ahead on uranium processing while we get these other projects, full speed ahead on Phase 2, Phase 3 and full speed ahead at drilling at Brazil, integrating the base team into the energy fuels team, getting this momentum going on multiple fronts. And it is really an extraordinary time at Energy Fuels.

Speaker 1

So now the last slide and I want to add one comment. The list of molecules is increasing with titanium and zirconium and the rare earths and they all have the common denominator that there is radioactivity somehow involved with them and that is our secret weapon here. Open for questions.

Operator

Thank Your first question comes from the line of Heiko Ihle from H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hey there, can you guys hear me okay?

Speaker 1

Yes, Heiko. We got you.

Speaker 2

Cool. Thanks for taking my questions and congratulations on getting this very transformational deal done. Speaking of, tomorrow it will officially be a month since you closed the base resources deal. Probably a decent amount of time for the teams to get to know each other, work out maybe minor kinks. In that process, have there been any surprises either positive or I assume nothing really negative, but anything positive surprise or negative that you encountered?

Speaker 2

Any efficiencies that you're encountering that maybe you didn't really expect?

Speaker 1

No, Heiko. I think it's all going as scheduled. I mean, we've got to get the teams together and you've got 2 separate companies and it always takes some time to blend that together. I was down at the close for about a week. We've got people going back and forth between both entities.

Speaker 1

And so I don't think there's any surprises. But there's these opportunities like for example, in Brisbane this week on the Donald project, we had a workshop where we had 5 people from base working with the technical experts from Astron and their consultants, looking at all the assumptions being made in the FID process and design and recoveries and operability and all that. So we're putting people to work. I think that's the main thing is we're putting people to work between the two companies. But it is an integration is an integration.

Speaker 1

And what I tell people is we have 2 teams here that are very proud of what they do and how they do. That is a great thing. That's a great thing. So we've got people that want to make things happen and both organizations are doer focused, doer focused, focused on profitability, focused on accomplishing significant things.

Speaker 2

Fair enough. Good answer. Okay. Building on something that came up earlier on this call, you mentioned that you sold £250,000 I think you said $91 in spot market this year. Just following up on that, the long term contracts with utilities that you're currently not even necessarily yours, but just in general, the long term contracts that you're seeing with utilities that are getting done, have there been any changes related to pricing and the duration versus where we would have been call it 12 months ago?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think the utilities are starting to understand that the retreat back to $30, $40 And so if you go back to there was kind of a couple of cycles like when you had the Russian Ukraine conflict, there was like a flurry of contracts that were done month or 2 after that. And those are generally speaking lower price. And then as time has progressed and as uranium prices have gone up to $105,000,000 and stayed there, I think you're definitely seeing an increase in the floors, in the ceilings, and prices are going up. So I think that the utilities are accepting that the nuclear industry is growing, the demand is growing, the focus on data centers, artificial intelligence is growing, the restarts of reactors around the world is growing. And I think they're getting a bit nervous because they see that.

Speaker 1

And the thing about the uranium industry is it doesn't respond quickly. It's hard to get project up and it's hard to get through the steps of integration in the nuclear fuel cycle through conversion and enrichment. So yes, I think people are getting used to these higher contract prices and that also creates an opportunity for us going forward.

Speaker 2

Cool. I'll get back in queue. I think I exhausted my questions here. Thanks for taking them and I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Heiko.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Justin Chan from SAP Resource Finance. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hi, Mark. Great to talk to you. Yes, thanks for taking the call. I guess my question is on your thoughts on your inventory and next year, you've got £800,000 in various ore inventories. I guess what's your current thinking on production next year on where we are with spot?

Speaker 3

And maybe could you give us some color on the volumes and timing? Is there any constraints on timing through the year for your contracted uranium sales next year?

Speaker 1

Yes. We haven't given formal guidance for next year yet, Justin. As I said, between finished and work in progress, we've got about £1,000,000 and ore is showing up at the mill every day. I mean, you get to a point to where you try to get in the equilibrium like if we process this in the order of £1,000,000 and we're bringing more material in, it should reach an equilibrium or closer equilibrium in my mind in due course as we get the flywheel going. Our contracts that we have next year are towards the end of the year.

Speaker 1

And as I said, around £300,000 total. So we're pretty wide open. And but the contracts are ramping up the following years, Justin. And but we're going to be looking at contracts, spot, uranium prices, try to maximize it, kind of like what we did this year. We sold $250,000,000 in spot, dollars 200,000,000 under contract.

Speaker 1

And but we're focusing on ramping it up to the couple of £100,000,000 per year, probably the following year or 2, 26 ish, 7 ish, somewhere in there. But we should be I believe we're going to be pushing well north of 1 to 2, what we already said we're going to be doing that by the end of the year. So, but yes, I don't want to give guidance yet and we'll get back to the market due course. Got

Speaker 3

you. Thanks. That's helpful color. And maybe just a bit more as a follow-up on mill activities for next year as you're thinking a bit. So I mean, will most of the year be uranium?

Speaker 3

Will you do you have any more monazite to run a rare earth campaign? And then just trying to get a sense of how you think about the calendar year. Like will the will uranium processing start kind of early in the year? Will it kind of switch between raw earth and uranium? I realize that you don't have guidance.

Speaker 3

I'm just trying to get a sense of maybe your thinking.

Speaker 1

Yes. The focus next year is going to be on uranium production. At this moment, the only monazite we get is from Chemours. And monazite is coming from Chemours right now. I mean, we've got monazite showing up.

Speaker 1

We're just stockpiling it. And that's the unique thing that we have here is we've got this big facility. We've got uranium ores from different mines, different alternate feed and then we've got monazite. So the focus will be on uranium. We don't have any current plans to go back into processing the monocyte.

Speaker 1

That could change depending on what we secure. And so when you look at when we go back into processing monocyte at a larger scale, I mean, kind of be thinking towards like 2027, but there could be a run-in between, depending on how much uranium ore we have to process versus how much monocyte we have to process.

Speaker 3

Got you. Okay. Thanks, Mark. That's really helpful. And I'm sure we'll follow-up at some point after this call.

Speaker 3

Thanks very much. I'll stay on the line.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Justin.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Joseph Reagor from ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, Mark and team. Thanks for taking my questions. I think most of the things were already touched on, but just a few more quick items. 1 on the ongoing negotiations with the Navajo Nations.

Speaker 5

At what point would you guys consider an alternative shipping solution here?

Speaker 1

Really, we think that we're going to get there with the existing shipping highways and whatnot. So yes, I mean, right now, we're very encouraged with how these discussions are going. Big part of it has been education, making them comfortable. And so we think we're going to get there. And as I said, we're looking at something holistic.

Speaker 1

That's a win win for both groups. We're looking at the cleanup, which is very exciting for me. I mean, I think tying sort of there's a tie between those. It's just an extraordinary again, I know I use extraordinary a lot. So, but it'd be a great outcome.

Speaker 1

It'd be a really, really good outcome. And what's interesting too on this whole, these negotiations and stuff is very little cleanup has been able to happen on the reservation because they didn't have a way to deal with the cleanup. And we give an outlet to the Navajo Nation, which we think is very powerful for them. So watch this space, but I don't want people to be fearful that we're not going to get there because I really do think that people in the room talking are trying to get there.

Speaker 4

Okay. Fair enough. And then last thing, just a housekeeping item. Post the special dividend to the base resource shareholders, how much cash did you guys get in the acquisition?

Speaker 1

Let me ask Nate, what do we got?

Speaker 5

So as far as cash goes, so they will continue to operate the quality line and that will wrap up here at the end of 2024. So they're using the cash that they have plus the revenue that they're going to sell in the Q4, which should be around $40,000,000 to $45,000,000 in the Q4. So all of that cash and operations is going to use to wrap up the production in the Q4 and then also to perform the reclamation obligations from the quality mine. So all that stays within base, the cash that they had to finish up operations and the reclamation liability. So we didn't actually transfer any cash or move any cash to intercomputables.

Speaker 5

That clarifies your question.

Speaker 4

Okay. A quick follow-up to that. So will you guys book that revenue on your income statement then since the transaction closed during the quarter?

Speaker 5

That is correct. So we will you will see the Q4 of base resources consolidated into our energy fuels financial statements that we'll file at year end. And that will include just the Q4 and include that revenue that you'll see from base in the Q4.

Speaker 4

Okay, thanks. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Noel Parks from Tuohy Brothers Investments Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, good afternoon. Just wanted to ask about the white mill pre feasibility study. There was a mention in the Q that that was being looked at just for expansion of the oil and output capacity. Please talk about what's involved in that and if you have any sense of timeframe that'd be great.

Speaker 1

Yes. Well, we did this pre feas a year or so ago that was looking at around 3,000 tons of NDPR processing capacity previously. And that was before we had the base transaction whatnot. So because of the successes that we've had with gathering these significant projects that have the ability if they're developed to these larger quantities, we're going to this larger scale. We're currently working with a couple engineering companies, trying to advance the with the engineering companies to help us with those feasibility studies to get to that 6,000 tons.

Speaker 1

We were having discussions with them right now. There's been a lot of work done. We have huge amount of data because of what we've done in the laboratory, what we've done with this Phase 1 commercial operation. So I mean, I believe we'll have a feasibility study in the middle of 25 with this Phase 2 in hand. That's the goal.

Speaker 1

And once we get that in hand and get the flow sheets and whatnot, we're going to advance the permitting with the state of Utah. They're expecting it. This is going to be coming. So assume takes us to the middle of the year to finish up the engineering feasibility work, start going right into permitting to get to permitting. So in that 2027, 2028 time period, when you start seeing material quantities of monazite heavy mineral sands from these projects that we've acquired, the timing in line is quite well.

Speaker 1

Now the one thing that I can say is that because we do have the Phase 1 plant constructed that we do have the ability if we have monazite sooner than that, we can process that. We can shift the mill back into rare earth mode and process that. So it's not very often that you have a uranium plant, a Phase 1 plant, a Phase 2 plant that's work in progress and have that flexibility. So we're in a unique position there to be flexible.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks. That's all I had.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Mike Cusack from Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Yes. Good afternoon, Mark and team. Just one question That new contract that you signed in the quarter with the U. S. Utility, where did the floors and ceilings print on that contract?

Speaker 7

And if you can't give me the exact price to the dollar, I understand I don't want to get you in trouble. Maybe if you could round it to the nearest $5 per pound, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Speaker 1

I don't know if I can round it to $5 a pound. My CFO is shaking his head and I think my lawyer is too. So yes, look, the contract and this is a unique one for us that we have the ability to do contracts that others are not able to. A lot of these companies that are starting up, they need like a 6, 8 year contract because they're trying to get their project financing. And this 4th contract that we signed, it's got a like a 2 year term and then an option to extend for 2 years.

Speaker 1

So it's a 2 plus 2 to 4. And it gives them the ability to kind of put that out another 2 years if they want to. But definitely the floors are increasing and the ceilings are increasing. And Mike, I think you talking to other uranium producers, uranium wannabes producers, they'll confirm that. So but the utilities tell us not to give out those financial terms and so we can't.

Speaker 1

So there is a trend for increasing floors, increasing ceilings, but we have unique flexibility in that we're not having to go out and raise or fund a $500,000,000,000 or $1,000,000,000 project and we can do 2 year, 3 year, 4 year, whatever and it isn't tied to financing. So but it is it's very encouraging and we like this new contract we have. And Curtis was in Kansas City at this last conference and he says utilities are out there. They're out there and they're looking at needing more product. So I believe the trend is going to continue, Mike.

Speaker 7

I appreciate that color. Maybe and I totally understand not being able to provide the dollar amounts. Maybe if I could follow-up though. Would you characterize your material versus other contracts that you're hearing that are being signed? Would you characterize your material is getting a premium or in line with the contract terms more recently?

Speaker 1

I think they're very attractive for our circumstances.

Speaker 7

Fair enough.

Speaker 1

And we're not being penalized. Let's put it that way. Okay. We're not being penalized because we signed the contract. I think they're very attractive to us as a company and how we can fit that into our production profile.

Speaker 7

Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Aaron Vanekan from CU Boulder. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, Mark. Appreciate you taking my question and A couple of quick questions on the rare earth side. So you mentioned that $29.88 per kilogram NDPR processing costs. I just wanted to clarify whether that was driven by the low cost monazite procurement or that it will be driven further down by low cost monazite procurement?

Speaker 1

That's just kind of the cost of it. If you have a ton of monazite and processes at the mill, it's around $30 per kilogram. What the point is that, if you take a project like Tulliara that supports itself without any credit for monocyte. I mean it generates cash, there. Their feasibility study said around $200,000,000 of EBITDA over 38 years or something without any credit for monocyte.

Speaker 1

Now when you look at the PFS that they did on the addition of the rare earths and the monocyte is very, very low strike rate to actually recover the monazite. So depending on how you account for it going forward, if the heavy mineral sand project is really able to carry the load and get monazite for free and transport it to the mill, you can basically add that onto the $30 So if the monozite was actually free delivered, you can say 30 plus 0 if you have to pay for the shipping. There's different ways you get there. But I think the bottom line is we believe that our strategy with the having the molecules in place and having heavy mineral sand projects that stand on their loan without any rare earth credit. This is where it is a poised for a great outcome to have $10 or $20 or nothing on the $30 okay.

Speaker 1

So each project will be different. And as we get these projects advanced, we update our studies and have the ability to disclose this, we'll disclose it to market in due course.

Speaker 8

Got you. Appreciate that, Mark. And then just looking down the timeline for the Phase 2 and 3 for its separation plants, just wondering why yes, what goes into the decision to produce NDPR versus separating those 2 out from each other? Is that just due to the economics of like the price delta between separated ND and separated PR versus NDPR together? And then also just wondering if you could provide like any type of scale on the how much building those Phase 2 and 3 plants will say compared to the $19,000,000 for Phase 1?

Speaker 1

Yes. I think whether we split out and separate to ND and PR separate, and I don't have my mill guy here, but I think the ratio is about 75, 25 or something. It seems to be adequate for most of these metals, alloys and magnet manufacturers, the current ratio. Could they split them out? I think they can.

Speaker 1

But right now we're trying to just keep them together. And as I said, we're doing the piloting on the Phase 3, which is the DUI and the TB as we speak. So I'd have to talk to him about what it would take to split them out separately. But the ratios are, we believe adequate for the market. When you look at the capital costs, we don't have those numbers revised.

Speaker 1

Now the fact that we are able to build Phase 1 for $19,000,000 we built it in the existing solvent extraction building. So we didn't have to build a new building. We did put a roof on it and that's included in the cost, I think. So we got a new roof on top of the SaaS X building.

Speaker 7

And we were able to do

Speaker 1

it because we used existing infrastructure. Now looking to the future, and I don't have the feasibility, the pre fees on the $3,000 was like $350,000,000 is that what it was? And so certainly if we double it, it's going to be larger than that. But I think there's also things that you saw what we could do with Phase 1 plant. And we've got some real creative people.

Speaker 6

I have

Speaker 9

an answer from Deb.

Speaker 1

You do. Okay.

Speaker 9

And she says that the magnets measured by an NDPR oxide, but not the individual PR and ND oxide.

Speaker 1

Okay. There you go. Our people are messaging in as we speak on the NDPR question. So we don't have a number, but I think something north of 350, 500 ish. I don't know.

Speaker 1

I don't want to be tied down to a number. But we've got to get the engineering complete. The other thing I want to point out though is that when you look at the cost of doing business in Utah compared to places like Western Australia, We're at a real advantage here because we get water for effectively free. We got good sources of water, power costs are low, labor costs, great work ethic, not fly in fly out, lesser social costs in some of these other jurisdictions will be at a strike rate, will be far, far less than people like Linus and the Luca when it comes to building the plant. So we're not expecting $2,000,000,000 plant here like some of the others.

Speaker 8

Great. Yes. And then congratulations on the $19,000,000 Phase 1, it's really impressive and really appreciate your time today, Mark.

Speaker 1

I think. Yes, and I've seen I won't mention companies, but I know one company is building a pilot plant for $50,000,000 and it won't be a commercial plant, it's a pilot plant to do the same thing.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Puneet Singh from 8 Capital. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, Mark. Just had a question on conventional versus ISR. I know you're prepping the Nichols Ranch ISR, but some of the U. S. Peers have been struggling with ISR.

Speaker 6

Just talk to us about the advantages and disadvantages of each technique from an operational perspective because I know you're pushing the conventional assets first. Just want to understand how that could be a strategic advantage for you. And then I know you mentioned some of the people at site. Maybe just talk to us about how you've been able to fill the labor needed for each asset because that's something that's always talked about for U. S.

Speaker 6

Production as well. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yes. Puneet, as you know, I've got experience with both and a lot of people don't, okay. You get the ISR miners, if that's all they've done. You get the conventional miners, that's all they've done. So I've done both and there are advantages to both.

Speaker 1

Okay. What are the advantages of conventional that gets, I think, underappreciated by the ISR folks is that with the conventional, I can go mine a ton of ore and then I can mine it and I can either not mine it or I can ship it out and put it at the mine on stockpile. I can ship it to the mill and put it in stockpile and then I can process it, but I can stop it at any place. I can stop a conventional mine today. If I said stop the mines, I can stop it right now and they stop.

Speaker 1

That's an advantage. It's an advantage because you're not having to be all in for 5 or 10 years in the cycle to produce a pound of uranium. And people don't appreciate that advantage. And that is one of the reasons we started up our conventional projects. And it's not just the only reason because we see the Pinon Plain mine as high grade mine is very, very cost effective.

Speaker 1

And we also have the ability to start and stop, as I said. When you do ISR, you have to put in the well fields and you have to extract the uranium, takes 2 to 3 years to get the uranium out. Now you're looking at 3, 4 years and you don't get the uranium out if you don't keep going, okay. And then you have to restore those aquifers and that can take a long time. I won't extrapolate there, but it can take a very long time.

Speaker 1

So you're really committing to a pound of uranium for 10 years and you can't start or stop. Now with long term contracts and more security of supply in terms of the people that are going to buy your product, having long term contracts, 8 year contracts, whatever, that starts fitting into the world of ISR better. But the other thing with ISR and I think a lot of people are experiencing in Wyoming is the cost of drilling has gone up significantly, okay. And the cost of putting in a pattern becomes a big part of what it costs you to produce a pound of uranium. So there's they're different animals.

Speaker 1

And then lastly, with ISR, you it can be very variable depending on how the uranium solubilizes underground and comes to the surface. If I mine a ton of ore in a conventional sense, I can literally walk it through the process plant and I can tell at each step what recoveries I'm getting, what my reagent consumptions are, what kind of heat do I need, retention time and everything. So they're very different. So on the ISR front, finding people, I think places like Casper, where you've got 3 or 4 companies competing for bodies is creating issues because people are poaching from each other. And so that makes it difficult for people and with the skill sets of actually operating a successful ISR project.

Speaker 1

When you go down to White Mesa and our uranium mines, Blanding is very stable community workforce, very tight community. And we haven't had any real issues with people getting poached from White Mesa, but also because it's a very tight team that works really well together. Miners, miners are hard to find. We're training a lot of miners. People that call themselves miners aren't necessarily have all the skill sets that are required.

Speaker 1

So it is a different world, Puneet. It is harder to start up now than I have ever seen in my career because the shortage of skills. We're making progress, but it has not been easy. I don't know, I guess, kind of long winded, but and Puneet, if you ever want to take it offline on the pros and cons of ISR, I'm happy to do that with you.

Speaker 6

Yes, yes. I know, right, as you're in, Alex. I just wanted to see the advantage because everybody else do an ISR, right? You're doing conventional starts. So I think you do have an advantage yourself there, but labor has just been hard all around.

Speaker 6

So just had to ask there, but labor has just been hard all around. So just had to ask the question. Thanks. Yes. But there are

Speaker 1

really advantages

Speaker 6

depending on which method is selected and what environment is selected.

Speaker 1

And there are people that say ISR is the only way to mine and it's slow. Conventional is also a good and proven methodology. And in a lot of cases, it's the only methodology to be used. And in our cases like Pinyuan, you're not going to ISR Pinyuan, you're going to mine it conventionally. And Cameco is conventional.

Speaker 1

And Olympic Dam is conventional.

Speaker 6

Yes, exactly. Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Dave Koslett. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hey, thank you very much. Well, I've got about 8 questions. But I want to concentrate because I was an investor about 6 years ago at Linus and I gave up because of Malaysia issues and stuff like that. But and when you got involved with Bahia, I said, oh my God, this is so great. We really need RE production here in the United States to get us away from relying on China for permanent magnets.

Speaker 10

In any case, so it's a huge step. It's going to take a lot of money. It's going to take and you're around the world involved in it. But when I started looking at your news, you were involved with a company called Nano Powders and all their scientists came from Cabot Corp. Associated with your pre getting before you got actually into extracting, NDPR out of monazite.

Speaker 10

How important has their contribution been to what you're doing there? Kind of sounds like you're a more conventional asset leach still. I mean, it sounded like from a news release that the technology that they were trying to develop for you would be your technology and you would control it, might give you a competitive advantage. And if not, you can possibly even sell it to other people because let's face it, breaking down something that's so permanent like Monazite, mother nature has been trying to break it down for 1,000,000 of years and it's kind of what's left. And getting particular atoms out of it, it's not like getting jelly beans out of a can of sugar.

Speaker 10

So where did the Nano Powders deal fit fit in? And or is it behind you? Because I think you spent a decent amount of money

Speaker 6

on it. Go ahead.

Speaker 1

Well, there's a couple of things. There's Neo performance that we started working with early on when we announced we're getting into the rare earth business in 2020. And that was where we made a carbonate. We shipped it to Estonia back in the days, Konstantin was CEO. And yes, we still have a relationship with Neo and we look at what the opportunities are in the future.

Speaker 1

But nanoscale powders, that was kind of an R and D initiative that we explored that we didn't go forward with. We still have

Speaker 6

some

Speaker 1

issues of what actually one of the guys who was involved with Nanoscale Powders was has passed away. But so there's the Neo relation No, that answers

Speaker 10

my question. That answers my question.

Speaker 6

I

Speaker 10

thought maybe what was going on at White Mill was somewhat secret because you had keys to unlock monazite that other people didn't have, okay. But it's a it doesn't sound like that's the case.

Speaker 1

Yes. The keys we have is that we can process this at White Mesa Mill. We can recover the rare earth and uranium. We can deal with the radionuclides. We have the tailings facilities.

Speaker 1

And that and you said you were early investor in Linus. Now Linus also mines monozite, but it's not monozite sand, it's hard rock monozite. And yes, they've had significant problems with the Malaysian government on the residuals. And I don't know where that is at this point in time, but that's one of the reasons they did a crack and leach facility in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia, which was a challenge for them because of the cost of building a facility and the availability of watcher and acid and people and all that. So, yes, I mean, processing monazite for us is not a big issue at all because we want more radioactivity like uranium because we can monetize it.

Speaker 1

And it's about the same grade as our mines like LaSalle or Pandora. And that's an attribute that we welcome to be able to recover that uranium.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Justin Chan from SEP Resource Finance. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hi, Mark. Hopefully, I'm not breaking the rules too badly with the second question here. Just I saw in the quarterly, there's some commentary on Bahia and I think it said 7,000 to 10,000 tons of monazite, which sounds like a lot of the kind of the scoping work you've done starting to define what the project looks like. I was wondering if you could give us more color on the work you've done and what how the project is shaping up?

Speaker 1

Yes, I'm just going back and see what I did say here. We had but here we said 3 to 5 and then we said Donald is up to 7 in Phase 1. Well, okay. So you wanted me to talk about Bahia then?

Speaker 3

Yes. Yes. I just I mean, I think I could be wrong, but it was the first time I've seen kind of numbers put around scale there.

Speaker 1

Yes. Well, I'm looking at Page 19 in the presentation of 3 to 5. But the Bahia project, we bought a Sonic drill rig, and we're using that right now. We've got a large land position there. We hired a Rio Tinto Brazilian, and we've got, I don't know, 10 employees down in Brazil.

Speaker 1

We've also had support from base go to Brazil looking at the exploration program. We're also advancing towards the permits for putting that project into place, doing a lot of the whatever the studies that are required for that. It is still early stages. We've got to get to resource and we're focused on getting to resource in 2025. And also getting, as I said, support from base with their expertise in that regard.

Speaker 1

So it's moving forward at a significant pace, but it's earlier stages than like the Donald project and the Tulliar project. They have more data, more study, more feasibility work, more permits. I mean Donald project effectively permitted. And so yes, there are 3 different animals. Let's leave it at that.

Operator

Thank you. No further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Mr. Mark Chalmers for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Yes, thank you. Yes, my closing comments are that was a lot of questions and that's good. Happy to get that kind of interest in what we're doing. What we're doing is different than others. I think that people are starting to understand the significance of what we're doing.

Speaker 1

We're playing a long game here, not a short game. We're building a company for the future. And that company, we are focused on being, as I said, world significant, low cost, with these multiple elements. And we are proud of that. We're driving our bus.

Speaker 1

And we believe that the focus that we're taking, we think that as this becomes clear to investors that gives us an opportunity for further rerates in the stock and appreciation for the strategy. So appreciate our current shareholders. I look forward to new shareholders and I look forward to giving more updates in due course, which I'm really excited and looking forward to doing. I just we've got a lot of work to do and we're going to keep focused on that, and look forward to our future updates. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you for participating in the Energy Fuels Conference Call. Please reach out to the company directly for any additional investment questions. You may now disconnect.

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