Haleon Q3 2024 TU Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining the Halion 20 24 Q3 Trading Statements Call. My name is Becky, and I will be your operator today. I will now hand over to your host, Rakesh Patel, Investor Relations Director, to begin. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Becky, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to Helium's conference call for our Q3 trading statements. I'm Rakesh Bhattar, Director, Investor Relations, and with me today is Tudor Tesla, our CFO. Just to remind listeners on the call that in the discussions today, the company may make certain forward looking statements, including those that refer to our estimates, plans and expectations. Please refer to this morning's announcement and the company's U. K.

Speaker 1

And SEC filings for more details, including factors that could lead actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by any such forward looking statements. Today, we will focus on revenue performance and we have also provided brief profit and margin detail on both the reported and an adjusted basis with a full reconciliation, including organic revenue and profit growth in the appendix. Following Sibeth's remarks, we will take your questions. For those listening to our webcast, who would like to ask a question, you can find the dial in details on Phase 3 of today's release. With that, over to Tabeer.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Rakesh, and good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

I'm very pleased to report another strong quarter of consistent delivery, driven by continued share gains from our portfolio of exceptional brands, combined with strong end market execution. Organic revenue growth was 6.1% balance between price and volume mix. Our power brands grew 5.4% with broad based growth across our regions. Our developed markets grew 4% and encouragingly North America saw an improved performance. In emerging markets, we delivered 11% growth with China up double digit.

Speaker 2

Equally important, our growth algorithm continued to deliver. Operating leverage, particularly from organic gross margin expansion together with strong investment into our brands resulted in organic profit growth of 7.4%. This takes us to 9.7% organic profit growth for the 1st 9 months. In the quarter, we continue to make good progress against our capital allocation priorities. We announced an agreement to increase our stake in the China joint venture by 33%.

Speaker 2

We will own 88% with a clear pathway to full ownership. This comes after successful divestments of ChapStick and the nicotine replacement therapy business outside the U. S. Together, these transactions demonstrate our commitment to optimize the portfolio through active brand management. We also completed our GBP 500,000,000 share buyback allocation for the year through an off market purchase from Pfizer.

Speaker 2

As a result, we have now returned over GBP 1,000,000,000 of capital back to shareholders this year. Finally, during the quarter, we raised around £900,000,000 in bonds at attractive rates with strong demand. The proceeds will be used to refinance the $1,750,000,000 bond we have maturing in March next year. Our numbers today are evidence that we're well on track to meet our full year guidance, which I remind you is to grow organic revenues by 4% to 6% and organic profit by high single digits. Turning now to the detail of our 3rd quarter results.

Speaker 2

Looking first at the drivers of revenue growth. Revenue of $2,800,000,000 reflected 6.1% organic growth. This was made up of 3.3% price and 2.8% volume mix. As we expected, pricing in the quarter was stable relative to the Q2. Volume mix accelerated with good improvement in North America and Asia Pacific as defended compared to LOA.

Speaker 2

Importantly, all three regions delivered positive volume mix consistent with the expectations we had previously set out for the second half of twenty twenty four. Net M and A represented a headwind to report revenue of 1.8% as a result of the disposals of Lamicel and Jastate. As a reminder, the divestment of the NRT business outside the U. S. Closed at the end of the quarter and will impact our Q4 reported revenues as I have previously guided.

Speaker 2

Lastly, foreign exchange had a significant impact on reported revenue, reducing this by 4.9%, including one point from hyperinflation economies after we implemented capping from the start of this year. The overall translation impact in the quarter reflected sterling strength against the U. S. Dollar and a number of emerging market currencies. This effect was more pronounced as around 40% of our sales in the quarter occur in September in part due to cold and flu cell in when Sterling was particularly strong.

Speaker 2

Taking these factors together, reported revenue declined 0.6% in the quarter. Coming back to the makeup of revenue growth between price and volume mix. As I've said previously, we expected growth to a bit more weighted towards price this year. Thus 2024 would be a stepping stone towards reaching the healthy balance of price and volume mix that we would normally expect. This is exactly what you have seen as we move through the year with growth in the Q3 now being more balanced.

Speaker 2

To be clear, we will continue to take price as needed and remain confident in our ability to do so given the strength of our innovations, our brands and market positions. Turning now to our performance across the categories. We delivered broad based growth across the categories, which demonstrates the strength and diversity of our portfolio. Organic growth was 6.1% in the quarter and 4.4% in the 1st 9 months. Looking at the detail, starting with oral health, the revenues grew 8.2%, taking our total for the 9 months to 9.3%.

Speaker 2

Our key growth drivers in this category continue to deliver with sensitive and growth underpinned by continued share gains. Our latest innovation, clinical white is performing well and is attracting a younger demographic to the brand. Parodontax grew double digit. Denture care growth normalized as we had predicted, in line with our expectations. VMS grew 3.7% underpin by caltrade, which was helped by our bone up program in China, which is centered around the treatment and prevention of osteoporosis.

Speaker 2

The step down in BMS category growth from the first half of the year related to Centrum comparatives. You will recall that Centrum grew by 14% in the U. S. And 22% in China in Q3 2023. And against those tough comparatives, Centrum sales were broadly flat with the U.

Speaker 2

S. Flat and China down. Performance in China also reflected some channel dynamics, which I'll come back to later. Importantly, Centrum continues to gain share in both these markets and also globally. Pain relief returned to growth in the quarter, up 3.1%.

Speaker 2

Advil is benefiting from our ongoing investment in North America, including the launch of our new topical Advil targeted release. PENADOL sales declined reflecting consumption trends against strong base last year, but the brand continues to gain share. Voltaren revenues are flat to a more competitive market situation. Across our local growth brands, Grand Pine South Africa saw strong performance. Respiratory health revenue was up 9.1% with strong growth in teraflu and robitacin.

Speaker 2

As you will remember in the first half, we proactively ran down our inventory in the U. S. Of oral products containing PE. During the quarter, we shipped reformulated cough and cold medicines not containing PE in time for the season. In addition, Otrion performed well, helped by continued strong uptake of our nasal mist innovation.

Speaker 2

The decline in allergy reflected a normal destock after a weak season. Finally, Digestive Health and Other was up 5.9% after we left the destock in North America last year.

Speaker 1

Let me now move to look

Speaker 2

at geographic performance starting with North America. Organic revenue grew 4.8% made up of 2.4% price and 2.4% volume mix. This included the impact of carry forward pricing, which now rolls off. Growth in oral health was led by Sensodyne, which was underpinned by share gains from the launch of clinical wipes. VMS also continued to gain share with emergency up to a single digit and a broadly flat performance in central.

Speaker 2

Pain relief grew mid single digit driven by Advair and Voltaren. Respiratory health was driven by shipments of reformulated cold and flu products and new innovation including soft chews for TerraFlu and Robituxan. Turning to Europe, Middle East, Africa and Latin America. Organic revenue increased 6.1% made up of 5.3% price and 0.8% volume mix. Pricing in Europe was up around 3% running slightly above the rate of inflation.

Speaker 2

Looking to 2025, I would expect price growth in Europe to moderate as inflation comes down. Emerging markets saw stronger pricing as you would expect. Across this segment, there was double digit growth in Middle East and Africa helped by our health brands Centrum and Altruvian. Latin America grew high single digit. Performance in Europe was more mixed with a high single digit revenue growth across Central and Eastern Europe, mid single digit growth in Northern Europe and Germany and Southern Europe was relatively flat.

Speaker 2

Looking at it by category, oral health, we saw strong performance from Sensodyne and Parodontax. We continue to see good consumer uptake for a number of brand innovations including Sensodyne Clinical White and Parodontax Gum Strengthen and PROTECT. In VMS, Centrum was up strongly helped by continued activation and strong end market execution. In pain relief, we saw strong growth from Grand Pine, South Africa, offset by a decline in Panadol against the strong comparative last year and some shipping delays in Middle East and Africa. Voltaren was down given softer consumption trends, particularly in Germany.

Speaker 2

Finally, turning to Asia Pacific. Organic revenue increased 8.2% and was made up of 1.1% price and 7.1% volume mix. Growth in volume mix benefited not only from the passing of the Fenbit comparative, but also from good underlying performance driven by share gains. China was up double digit with continued strength in cultivate and Fenmid. India grew double digit while Australia and New Zealand grew low single digit.

Speaker 2

Looking at performance by category, our health was underpinned by strong growth in Sensodyne particularly in India. We also recently launched Peridontax in the e com channel and China and initial consumer feedback has been encouraging. In VMS, we saw strong performance in Calfrac. Centrum declined against the tough comparative in China last year. It's also worth noting there has been some weakness in the multivitamin category in the pharmacy channel, which is being partly offset by strength in the e com channel.

Speaker 2

As I mentioned, Centro share performance has continued to be strong. In pain relief, sales were driven by Fenvid and Voltaren, which saw strong growth, particularly in China, while Panadol declined. I want to take a moment now to expand our business in China, which is our 2nd largest market after the U. S. We have a strong position as the number 1 multinational in the country and has delivered consistent share gains resulting in attractive growth.

Speaker 2

This reflects the resilience of our overall portfolio, which capitalizes on our local production footprint, our innovation capabilities and our strong route to market, including our e commerce business, which now makes up around 30% of our revenues. As shared earlier, we have agreed to buy an additional 33% stake in the China JV for around £500,000,000 from our JV partners with an option to acquire the remaining 12%. We anticipate the deal to close by the end of the year and be accretive to APS. Full control of the OTC business will have a number of benefits to Halion, including flexible manufacturing across our 2 sites in the country and optimized routes to market. And at a higher level, it further strengthens our position in a huge market where we continue to see exciting growth potential and where we have continued to outperform.

Speaker 2

Turning now to our operating performance. Our growth algorithm is delivering with 6.1% organic revenue growth resulting in gross margin expansion, which enabled strong investment into our brands. This resulted in 7.4% organic profit growth, 30 basis points of margin improvement, despite the benefit of a tax credit in North America last year. Net M and A had a GBP 30,000,000 negative impact mainly from the divestments of Laminophen and ChapStick and was around a 70 basis points drag on margin. Finally, there was GBP 69,000,000 or GBP 120 basis points adverse impact from translational foreign exchange.

Speaker 2

This impact was greater proportionately than the revenue impact given the geographic mix of costs relative to revenue. Taken together, this resulted in a 7.2% decline operating profit and a 23% margin for the quarter. On a year to date basis, we have grown organic profit by 9.7%. This puts us firmly on track to deliver our guidance for high single digit growth for the year. Moving on from the quarterly financials, I'd like to take a moment to revisit our capital allocation priorities and our delivery against these.

Speaker 2

We remain committed to investing in the business and this remains our priority to drive sustainable long term growth. As you have seen during the year, we have invested in AAP at a healthy rate, up high single digit alongside new innovations and a number of projects to drive growth and efficiencies. We are supporting these investments with our productivity program, which remains on track. Secondly, I have said that we would look at M and A where it is commercially compelling and consistent with our strategy and that we would be active in portfolio management. We have done exactly that with the divestments of ChapStick and the NRT business outside the U.

Speaker 2

S. And we have recycled the capital into increasing our stake in the China JV. Firstly, we're committed to building our track record of delivering attractive shareholder returns and I was pleased to complete the $500,000,000 we allocated to buybacks this year with over 85% of this being bought from Pfizer. Turning now to our 2024 guidance. Based on our good year to date performance and momentum as we enter the Q4, we're confident in our full year outlook.

Speaker 2

We continue to expect to achieve organic revenue growth of between 4% to 6%. We expect another year of positive operating leverage translating to organic profit growth in the high single digits. We continue to face FX headwinds, which as we previously guided to will have around the 4% adverse translation impact on revenue and a 6% to 6.5% impact on adjusted operating profit. This assumes FX rate as of October 3rd, but we remain mindful of the ongoing volatility in the currency markets and we'll update you as usual in our next 8 memoir. There is no change to our net interest expense or tax guidance.

Speaker 2

As I come to the end of my time at Helion, I'm proud to see that we are delivering strong results and that we are continuing on the trajectory we set over the last few years. Our growth algorithm is clearly delivering. We have achieved attractive and above market growth in revenues with resilient volume mix coming to the fore. This has meant that our profit growth algorithm has delivered, particularly over the last few quarters. This in turn has driven strong cash generation, which has supported our ability to delever.

Speaker 2

The strong delivery combined with our disciplined capital allocation actions has resulted in total shareholder return outperformance,

Speaker 3

which

Speaker 2

we aim to continue as we deliver against our medium term financial objectives. So to sum up, we had another strong quarter of consistent delivery driven by continued share gains from our portfolio of exceptional brands combined with strong end market execution. We delivered 7.4% organic profit growth in the quarter, which takes us to 9.7% for the 9 months. And this leaves us well placed to deliver high single digit growth for the year. We're also making good progress on our capital allocation priorities, including investing in the business at healthy rates, proactive portfolio management, recycling capital from lower growth areas into higher growth markets such as China.

Speaker 2

And finally, returning over GBP 1,000,000,000 to shareholders through dividends and share buyback. Finally, I want to share my personal thanks for the support you have given me over the last few years and to share my reflection as I look back on my career as the CFO of the consumer business since 2017 and at Helion. It's been a unique experience to say the least. I feel an enormous sense of pride looking back on what we have achieved, delivering consistently strong results while standing up a new FTSE 20 business. It's the very definition of building the plane while you're flying it, but we did it and Halion is all the stronger for it.

Speaker 2

I've learned a huge amount along the way, both before separation as well as over the last two and a half years. For sure, we've had challenges and it hasn't always been plain sailing, but it's how you navigate those challenges and change that I think really defines you. I've learned something from every experience I've had here, the good and the more challenging. I'm excited about what lies ahead for Halion. The opportunity ahead is enormous.

Speaker 2

Halion is fighting fit and it's going from strength to strength. For my own part, I'm pleased that I'm leaving having delivered on what we promised and having put the overhangs firmly in the rearview mirror. The business is in excellent hands with Don and Halion's executive team and I will be here until the end of the year to support a smooth transition for Don and the finance function. But after that, I'll be cheering the business on from the sidelines knowing that I was one of its founding members. All the very best to all of you.

Speaker 2

Thank you. And now let's turn to questions. Operator, please can you open up the lines?

Operator

Thank you. Our first question is from Guillaume Delmas. Guillaume, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you very much and good morning Tobias and Rakesh. Well, first of all, Tobias, congrats on an absolutely fantastic job over the years at Helion. And thank you very much for your kindness, your insight and also when it comes to me, your patience dealing with me and my questions. So onto my two questions. The first one is on your outlook for 2024.

Speaker 4

I mean in the press release, I think Brian indicates that you are well on track to deliver your FY 24 guidance. Should we interpret this as you being quite comfortable with current consensus expectations that are for almost 5% organic sales growth and 22.5% operating margin for the year? And related to that, with only 2 months left, what are the key sources of uncertainty? I mean, is it mostly cough and cold and foreign exchange? Or any other factors we should take into account?

Speaker 4

And then my second question is on your VMS business. There was a bit of a slowdown in the Q3. Can you just confirm this deceleration is entirely down to a tough comparator for Centrum and therefore that we should expect some sequential pickup as early as Q4? And also if you could shed some light on current category growth for VMS, particularly in the U. S.

Speaker 4

And against that your market share development as in you continue to gain shares thanks particularly to Centrum Silver? Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Guillaume. Only two questions from you? I'm just saying sorry. Good, cool. So let me start with the 24 outlook.

Speaker 2

So look, I think as you pointed out right there, right in Brian's quote, he said we're well on track. I think we're really confident about the year where we are. I think Q3 results you have seen balance between price volume, 6% growth, I think bodes well for the future. You've also seen we continue to gain market share. So I think we're doing well against the market as well.

Speaker 2

And we're also investing heavily in the business. So high single digit growth in A and P. So we're investing behind our brands. We're investing behind the growth. So I think overall, I think I would just say very confident in our ability and you will understand I'm not commenting on where the consensus sits overall.

Speaker 2

But I think these words were all very, very carefully chosen and you pointed them out very rightly so. Now you asked about uncertainties for the rest of the year. So look, I mean, we're guiding to organic. So FX isn't a consideration. I can't plan FX.

Speaker 2

If I could, I wouldn't be working here. So I think that's it's going to be what it's going to be. From what we said on FX is very, very clear. We put in the 8 memoir 4 on the top, 6 to 6.5 on the bottom that is unchanged. So no concerns here from that perspective.

Speaker 2

And of course, we'll update you with what happened then compared to October 3 rates as we put out the next Ed memoir at the beginning of the year. So what are the uncertainties against the organic growth? I think cold and flu is an up and down. It could be a bit better, it could be a bit less, you don't know. I mean, ultimately, what's driven cold and flu is, if there's a spike in December or not that drives small up or downside, it's going to be what it's going to be.

Speaker 2

We are ready for the cold and flu season. We have good and healthy sell in. So that's I think all we can do. And then we see how many bucks are going around on that. The other thing that you don't know about is what U.

Speaker 2

S. Retailers are doing. So I think we had a surprise in Q1. We've not seen any movements in Q2 and Q3. So I think from that point, the queue has been stable, but this is another one that I think is a little bit outside of our control to manage.

Speaker 2

So that's probably the bigger things out there. But again, see, look, continued performance and we expect continued outperformance against the market growth rate. Then moving to your BMS question. So yes, BMS was slightly lower in Q3, but I think take a step back 9 months, 7.3% growth overall in the category, Centrum up, the upper end of mid single digit, cultured up double digit. So I think strong year to date performance.

Speaker 2

And you rightly pointed out big comparators and those comparators are gone. They won't be there for Q4, which ultimately means BMS is going to be better in Q4 than it was in Q3. And from a share point of view, we continue to gain share. So I think both globally, but also in the key markets. So and by the way, in a healthy category.

Speaker 2

So the VMS category still grows around mid single digit and we're outperforming that. So it's very much on our long term growth algorithm and also our 9 months sell in with 7% is exactly where it should be growing ahead of the category. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from David Hayes from Jefferies. David, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Good morning all. I'll just go for 2, I guess, as well. So just firstly on the FX, leverage effects. In the quarter, obviously, it was running at about 2 times the sales effect at the operating profit level.

Speaker 3

At the full year, you're going to about 1.5% effectively. So just want to I know we've kind of been through this before a little bit, but just to understand, is there anything specific in the Q3 that accentuates that fall through? Or is it just the absolute numbers being bigger? Or should the effect on the operating profit level be small in the Q4 for some specific reason? And then the second question, just on the China OTC changes, Does anything change in terms of your visibility and running of that business?

Speaker 3

And I guess what I'm getting at there is, have you got visibility on levels of inventory in the market at the moment? And is that something that you may have to look at as you get more control or maybe run that at a leaner levels, you got to get some destocking early next year, anything like that at all that you'd flag that is going on in terms of sort of ongoing due diligence in that process? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, David. So on FX, you're correct. The multiplier was about 2. I mean, first of all, I think you should view that as an outlier and I'll explain in a moment why that is. So the ultimate multiplier reflects a bit the geographic mix of the translation and that of course against where the mix of costs sits as well.

Speaker 2

And what made Q3 a bit unusual is probably is 3 things, right. One is, in Q3 and particularly in the September month, you have when you just look at sort of the biggest exchange rate pair we have, which is the dollar against the sterling, you had last year the lowest points reached in Q3 and actually in the month of September. And this year, we reached pretty much the highest points. You have about a 10% FX difference on the dollar between that. And then what makes this particularly painful for us is that our sales are weighted to September.

Speaker 2

So we sell a lot of the cold and flu in the September month. So we get an over proportionate impact on that. And of course, these cold and flu sales are profitable sales. And then you add to that that there's no A and P against that because we're shipping that stuff being ready for the season, but then we're advertising for it in Q4. And that's also as a result, Q3 has the highest profitability in the year.

Speaker 2

So you get higher sales from shipping in, you get better profitability, but you don't get the cost protection from it because you're not advertising it. And I think that's what I think particular to Q3. So I would see it as a bit of an out layer, because normally you get in the other quarters a bit of more natural hedge on the cost line to offset it. And then the last thing is to remind that we implemented hyperinflation accounting from Q1 of this year. We didn't do it last year.

Speaker 2

We could have and restated last year, but it was not material for the group last year because it only started come up in Q3 and Q4 and we spared ourselves and all of you the pain of doing a restatement of last year. But this means it wasn't there last year, it's this year now. So you get about a 1% on the revenue that comes from this difference and we'll leave that behind us once during Q1 of next year as well. So those are the FX comments. On China OTC, so the good news is on this, we've been running that business, David, right.

Speaker 2

So I think it's a joint venture. It has a joint venture board. We have the joint venture partners of the board, but it was operationally run by our team. So there was while I mean, A, we have control of the business given it being a majority owner, but secondly, we ran it operationally. So I think from that point of view, we have been tracking the sell in performance, the sell out performance.

Speaker 2

We have been setting the sales practices in the market. So I think from that point of view, this isn't sort of what you normally expect in an acquisition where you acquire business that you haven't known. We know this business. By the way, we also ran it for the accounting on this business, all the finances, everything operationally is done by us. But of course, we shared the profits of it and had to agree strategic directions and bigger decisions with the joint venture board.

Speaker 2

What we will do in China now, what this integration allows us is to merge the field forces. So I think what we have to go through now is an integration of 2 separate field forces into 1 and we believe this will be beneficial, but that's probably the short term noise we have to work through. So I think that's I think where the focus is on this integration, which by the way is already underway. Thanks, David.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Ian Simpson from Barclays. Ian, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Tobias. And just to echo those comments about

Speaker 5

thanks for all your help

Speaker 3

and support over the years. And I very much hope that you have a fantastic time doing something a little bit different in the years to come. Two questions from me, if I may. I wondered if there was anything systemic happening with Panadol because it just seems to be struggling a little bit in quite a few markets. I think you called out Middle East, Africa, some bits of Europe, Australia, I think maybe somewhere in Asia Pac.

Speaker 3

I was just wondering if there's anything kind of competitors turn up the dial or whatever or if it's just a coincidence that a lot of Panadol market seem to turn south at the same time? And then my second question is around iroxone where clearly that's launched pretty recently. So I'm guessing you don't have much in the way of sellout data yet, but fascinating to hear what you do have. But are you able to share anything on retailer uptake of viroxon? How broadly distributed is it in U.

Speaker 3

S. Stores versus your expectations for this point in the launch? Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Great, Ian. Thanks very much. So let me start with Panadol. So Panadol, the good news is in the vast majority of markets we're gaining or maintaining share. So that number is well above the 80% mark.

Speaker 2

So I think from a competitive standpoint, I think we're doing fine. So I think not worried about that. What we have did not get right as we were planning for this year is, we expected we didn't realize that there was still more use of Panadol last year because there was still a tripleemic or RSV was going around in some places, COVID was still going around and cold and flu was going around. And there was more use of those products than we thought there was. So we got a bit surprised by that dynamic this year because we sort of had underestimated that.

Speaker 2

I think that has normalized now. So I think that's now out of the base. And ultimately, the data point on us scaling and maintaining share tells you it's a market dynamic that hits the overall market and not just us. And then look, there were some niggles here or there about Middle East with some shipping delays given the geopolitical and some shipping lanes being blocked. So smaller things like that.

Speaker 2

And in Australia, we had one of the retailers destock a bit, but I think these are small, tiny points. So no concerns on Cannadol and its performance, more normalization that has happened this year and admittedly a bit bigger than we thought it was going into the year. On Aeroxone, so yes, we launched. We started shipments pretty much the first of the quarter day. We pre launched it for e com a few days earlier, but shipping really shipment started very early in the year.

Speaker 2

Way too early to tell. I mean, we've talked before, right, we're building a new category in the new part of the shelf. Uptake by retailers has been very good. So we're well above 80% and sometimes even higher percent of distribution in our biggest customers. All of our big retailers, all the big customers have taken it.

Speaker 2

So I think that's been good uptake on the product and they were also ready to do a shelf reset outside the normal time, which shows there is support. There's good retailer support also in terms of advertising placing of materials in the trade because the retailers agree this is an attractive and unmet consumer need. We fully launched advertising towards the middle of October. So that's when we kicked off advertising and we used the NFL as sort of the big kickoff and we did big advertising during the NFL games that ticked off. And I think that is then you see that then directly translating especially in the e com side into demand.

Speaker 2

So we're starting to see sales come through. So look, distribution is there. We're activating now. So all of that has gone, I would say executionally very well. And then we'll see what comes from it.

Speaker 2

So I think excited about it, but way too early to say where this is going, just given it's a new category. Thanks, Ian.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Rasha Khawan from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning. Thanks, Tobias and Rakesh, and again, congrats Tobias on everything you've done. Thanks for all the help through the last few years and wishing you all the best going forward. Just a couple for me, please, on the U. S.

Speaker 5

So in the slides, you mentioned the overall market in North America improving. Can you speak about what you've been seeing there in terms of underlying trends and what's driving the improvement? And then the second, just on cold and flu. I know Tabisi touched on it a little earlier. It seems early reads are suggesting a slightly weaker trend versus last year and especially kind of if you look at one of the slides that you guys put through.

Speaker 5

I know it's still too early to make a call on season, but what have you seen in terms of retailer purchase patterns in Q3? What type of season are you guys planning for internally? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Good. Thanks, Reshad. So the U. S. Market overall, you remember the last few quarters is that the market is in volume decline and is showing small value growth given the pricing that was rolling through.

Speaker 2

That has improved. The market on a year to date basis is now flat in volume. So it has come back to flat, which means that more in the more recent weeks, gotten to volume growth because the volume decline is offset. So I think that's positive. So we're coming back to volume growth.

Speaker 2

So people are probably beyond the destocking on their pantries. And again, our products are bought on a need basis. So I think we're seeing that supporting the market. And of course, you still have price growth, but of course, that price growth is moderating as we're starting we and all, I think most of the competitors are starting to roll off the price increases they took and also in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Price increases are usually taken at different points in the year usually aligned to shelf reset. So you don't have sort of this one to annual pricing that you have in Europe. So in the U. S. It takes a few quarters to sort of stepwise roll off.

Speaker 2

So I think overall, I think a still the market is flat in volume, but on an improving trend, which is positive. And we've outgrown the market, both in volume terms and of course in value terms as well. So we've been gaining share in the U. S. On a vast majority of our portfolio.

Speaker 2

So I think again that is positive. So I think the Q3 numbers, I think also put sell out and sell in in the same sort of the same range with each other, which is I think which is positive development from my perspective. But look, still early, right.

Speaker 3

It's

Speaker 2

still sort of, I would say, first signs of an improvement, but I wouldn't call that victory yet. On cold and flu, so I put the U. S. Slide in the appendix of my slide deck. And the last few weeks, the 1st few weeks of the season, a little bit up, a little bit down, honestly.

Speaker 2

I mean, I think through the summer, it was slightly higher than the early weeks were slightly lower, it's in the minutiae, right. And when you look at the slide, ultimately what makes the season is the spikes that come and whether there is 2 spikes, 3 spikes and these spikes are double, triple the weekly demand as they spike up. And that's what's going to make the season. So I think from my perspective, way too early to tell. The U.

Speaker 2

S. Might have been a bit less the 1st few weeks. We have other markets across Europe where it's been a bit better. And don't forget the vast majority of our cold and flu cells are outside the U. S.

Speaker 2

So I wouldn't read everything into U. S. Data. The sell in has been good. So I think you saw 9% respiratory growth globally.

Speaker 2

You know the PE effect that reversed out. I mean, that's 4 points on the category for the quarter. So then it's probably mid single digit. And that by the way includes a destocking on allergy as well. So I think very healthy sell in, which actually tells you we've done the right job in March of April and taking the inventory out after the season.

Speaker 2

So retailers were ready to buy into the season and ahead of the season in very similar terms as they have done in the prior year. So and that's all we can do. We can sell in, we're ready for the season. We shipped, we have stuff in our warehouse and then the rest, the box will tell us how they go around and affect some of us more and some of us a bit some of us a bit less. Thanks, Richard.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much. Very clear.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Salim Panuti from JPMorgan. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thank you and congrats Tobias on all your carrier and best of luck to you. My first question is on this volume mix balance that you are mentioning. As we look into the Q4, I'd just like to understand a bit the moving parts. So it seems that you are flagging that pricing will normalize from Q4. Am I right in thinking that?

Speaker 6

And then it means therefore that probably we should see a step up in volume in the Q4. And that's what I would like to if you could help us understand the key driver because I from what you just said, it seems that there was what, a 40 bps basis a 40 basis point benefit on volume in Q3 from that sell in the non piece selling product. So could you, yes, help us understand where the volume step up will come from? And especially as I look at Europe, trying to understand why the volume was quite low versus expectation? My second question, maybe a bit related, but it's on the margin outlook for the year.

Speaker 6

In the first half, your organic margin was up 160 basis points. In Q3, it was up 30 bps. You are flagging more A and P, I believe, in the Q4 in terms of the flu and eroxant. So I was wondering whether we should expect a similar path in margin for the Q4 on an organic basis versus what you deliver in H1? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Celine. Happy to go. So on the moving parts of price and volume. So I think my comments on pricing coming down are probably more for 25, right. So I don't think there is anything there's a stepping stone in price expectation for Q4, right.

Speaker 2

So I think that the reason is Europe has been very stable, right. Step down in Europe was Q1 where you still have the rollover from prior year then all the pricing is largely set for the rest of the year. So you should expect that to be stable going forward. Asia has been pretty stable on it. And I think also in the U.

Speaker 2

S, it's fairly stable. You always have for bigger markets, you might have a point up or down, which depends on the mix you do. It depends on the gross to net you have running through. So I think small moves quarter by quarter, I wouldn't get overly excited about. But I think the most important message for me is about you've seen us coming back to a balance between price and volume is exactly what predicted that the volume growth comes and picks up and that has happened.

Speaker 2

And we will and we see that trajectory continuing into Q4. So and that's why I've also on my slide given you a bit of the history and as we went through the year. And then I would expect going into 2025 much more balance between price and volume. Enlog balance, again, forty-sixty, sixty-forty, it's not exactly a fifty-fifty, but we're getting back to that longer term algorithm that we think there is. But for 2025 look prices and look go back into history longer term pricing usually was around where the inflation was, right.

Speaker 2

So I think as inflation comes down, you would also expect the price impact that's this year receding. And then secondly, of course, we have this rollover effect in Q1 of 2024 that will not repeat in Q1 of 2025. So look, very confident that the volume step up. We have the Ericsson launch. We have we're heavily investing and healthy investing into our brands.

Speaker 2

Our AP investments are good. Our key growth drivers are delivering and we're also leaving some of the comparative drags in Q3 behind us. So I think that all bodes well for continued volume growth going into Q4. And then on your margin outlook, so look, I think, yes, we had more margin growth in half one. I think Q3, just to point out, we had the one time benefit from the tax credit, employee tax credit we got in the U.

Speaker 2

S. That was material for the quarter. It wasn't material for the year. So from that point of view, just that's why 30 bps in Q3 was a bit less than what you would normally see coming through. But yes, you're right, we're investing in the business, right.

Speaker 2

And there's also a bit of timing of efficiencies. So we had efficiencies came through quite strongly in the first half. So I think that's a bit more front loaded than back loaded. Ultimately, I would say take a step back 9.7 percent operating profit growth year to date, very well on track for the year end guidance on that. And I think probably I would take the year to date performance more of an indicator on 9.7% organic profit growth.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Celine. Can I

Speaker 6

just ask on Ebroxel? Yes. So what kind of number are we looking at for the Q1 where you're launching? Are we looking at so run rate of EUR 100,000,000 for 12 months, is it like EUR 25,000,000 per quarter we should be thinking about?

Speaker 2

So I would wish it would be simple to model, right? I mean, I think and I think the answer is simply I don't know, right? I think the good news is the retailers have taken the product and it's on shelf. So you get the shelf build that we've done in October and that's positive, right? So that gives you a nice distribution and the first pop in obviously in the reorders, obviously in the repeat, is that coming back and it's a new category that we're building and that's what is the piece that is

Speaker 3

hard to estimate, right. So from my perspective,

Speaker 2

I think, when So from my perspective, I think way too early to indicate that. We'll tell you in Q4 what happens or in the full year results. But I don't think this is one that you can exactly guide on and model that. So now I mean, I said before in investor meetings and with you guys that the reason we're doing this is because it's an unmet consumer need and we believe it's worth building a single market brand to do that. And we would only do this if we would believe there's a potential of $100,000,000 plus in revenue, but that doesn't mean it's going to come tomorrow or in the Q1.

Speaker 2

This will be a slow build, because you're not going to build a new U. S. Brand for $20,000,000 or $30,000,000 of revenue. That's not enough what you need to sustain the brand in the long run, right? So I think we have an ambition that it's $100,000,000 or more, but that's what we have to see as we execute on our plans, yes.

Speaker 2

And I think the execution so far has been good. If you have time, look a bit of the advertising that's out there. I think it is I think the team has done a really good job in starting to land that, but I think it's a new category for us, for the retailer and for the consumer and that will just take a little bit of time.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Alain.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Victoria Petrova from Bank America. Victoria, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much and Tobias, all the best to you and thank you for all your help. I have a couple of small clarification questions. First is on pain relief outside of what we already discussed. First of all, are you happy with your Advil market share? Who are you gaining against specifically in the U.

Speaker 7

S? Is there any more dynamics to expect? And how should we think about market share in Voltaren? It's the performance is mixed. Is there anything in the base just to keep in mind or maybe Advil topical launch impacts it as well?

Speaker 7

And my clarification question is about this benefit of a tax credit in North America. How much was it? I'm not sure I could find it in your last year press release. How should we adjust for it in the Q3? What's the adjusted number would be?

Speaker 7

And you said it's not material for the full year, but again, does it suggest some incremental basis points in Q4 versus Q3 on operating margin side? Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Thanks a lot. So look at Padval in the U. S, I mean, you might remember a year ago, we had a bit of issues and we said we needed to reinvest the brand, reignite it and get to a turnaround and that's what the team has done, right. So I think over the last 12 months this has happened on a year to date basis, we're gaining share and initially going into the year, we're still losing share, which is actually really good because that means in Q3, we're actually outgrowing the market, right. So the pain relief market in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Is healthy and we're growing against it. And by the way, that of course goes against the powerhouse in the U. S, which is Tylenol by KenView. So it is highly competitive.

Speaker 2

And I think we're winning again with Atwell, which is important. And yes, there's new launches coming like topical, which we need to land. But I mean, ultimately the most important thing was getting the core brand back to share growth and that's what has happened, right. And I think if you didn't pull it up to and then you asked about Voltaren, yes, there Germany not going well right now, but I think that's what you always have. Like it's a little bit what happens.

Speaker 2

Adva last year, we turned it around in a portfolio like ours. You always have a brand in the market or a brand in a couple of markets here or there where you have something happening that's either specific to the market or specific to a few markets that then you have to fix. Sometimes it's your own execution, sometimes it's competitive pressures, so or a combination of these. And I think that's totally normal. But the strengths for us is the strengths of this portfolio that ultimately the whole category was still growing 4% with 1% or 2% not doing well.

Speaker 2

And I think that's the benefit. And I think from that point of view, I would not there's nothing to be concerned about. And our policy is we just want to be open about what's going well and what isn't. And

Speaker 3

so

Speaker 2

you can get a bit of a color around what's happening. And I think we're on it and we'll update you as it goes. But I don't think there's a fundamental issue in the pain relief category anywhere to be concerned about. And then on the tax credit, no, we have not disclosed what the numbers are. So you couldn't find it because we said it wasn't materially for the year.

Speaker 2

And as a result, but we wanted to point it out for the quarter because for the quarter it is was a more material number and that's why the margin accretion was in quotation mark only 30 bps in the quarter. So that's just to keep in mind. And yes, this was a Q3 event last year. This drag is not there for the Q4 quarter.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Karol Zutta from Kepler. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Yes. Good morning all. And thanks, Tobias, for all the help of the years. I have two questions. The first one is coming back to the currency impact.

Speaker 8

And we know it's difficult, but what prevents you from basically building up more fixed cost structures outside U. S, Europe and China where the bulk of your fixed costs are? I have recently again a big investment project in the oral business in England. Why not somewhere else? Is Halion less able to find the right talents in these markets?

Speaker 8

Is it the infrastructure? What prevents you from having a more global footprint in other markets? And then the other question is on Digestive Health. That seems to be much more predictable and robust than historically, at least in the most recent quarters. Why is this?

Speaker 8

And how much is Digestus held in that business? Or in other way, are the bigger core brands becoming a bigger part of this business unit? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. Leroy, I lost you on the last one. So you said on Digestive Health. Can you just repeat that?

Speaker 8

Yes. You have to line Digestive and Other and that was always quite choppy. And now it seems robust and more predictable. We know you've sold some lower growth brands. So in relation to that, is it more predictable?

Speaker 8

How much are the core brands between brackets of that unit nowadays?

Speaker 2

That's fine. Thank you, Nav. So on your currency question, you're asking about sort of longer term strategic where the footprint is. So first of all, we're doing exactly that, right. I think as we part of our part of the efficiency program is building up structures, for example, in India, where we shift and we've shifted already quite a few headcounts from the central markets there.

Speaker 2

So and just to bring that to life, I mean, when we spun out of GSK, our capability center in India had a headcount of about 100 people. We're up to 700 now. So I think, so we're doing exactly that, but these things will first take time, you're not doing that, you're not doing that overnight, yes. So for us in the FX footprint, I think the biggest block is clearly you have the sterling fixed cost block that is stable and we're addressing that with efficiency program along the way. On your question on the oral care facility, I think, look, this is the crown jewel of our portfolio.

Speaker 2

This is about know how and this is about stability, right. So and I think that you want to have that in one place. And I think when we looked at renewing this facility, and by the way, the facility is 60 years old and is in absolute need, it's not fit for the crown jewel that it is in our portfolio. We made a very conscious decision that this stays in the UK given the know how and the expertise we have and it was not worth risking that. Outside that, in the UK, we have a headquarter, but I think our cost base in the UK isn't that high.

Speaker 2

And then in the other markets actually, we have a pretty broad alignment because our manufacturing footprint largely is in the same currencies or in the same broader regions where the products are also sold, right. So the U. S, over 80% of what we sell in North America is manufactured in North America. China, I think it's over 90% China for China. So there is an alignment.

Speaker 2

And then by the way, we've done something similar with the debt and the earnings. So our currency of debt is broadly aligned with the currency where we borrow on the money. So look, in short, we're doing things, but there is enough these things take time to hopefully minimize some of those exposures, but you will never be able to make them all go away. Then on Digestive Health and Other, so yes, you're right. The other part is getting smaller.

Speaker 2

So now Digestive without other is around 60% of the revenues in that and that's the most stable part of the portfolio, right. I think under Digestive you have brands that are digested you have brands like Tums, which is always has been going very well, next year not so well, but I think in the aggregate and with INO, very confident that this is a more stable category, it's a strategic category for us with a market leader in it and that will grow. Then smoke has gotten smaller because we divested outside the U. S. And then I think also what's left now in skin is actually over the counter medicine, pharmacy sold skin care products like abactroban in China, Afenasil in Europe.

Speaker 2

So core products that sit on the pharmacy shelf and also those tend to be a bit more stable. It was really the smokers health business that was an up and down and also ChapStick, which is more cosmetic product that had the ups and downs, right. And then of course, you still have the U. S. Smokers business, which in my view is still that's going to carry some variability, but it's a much lower share in that category.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Tom Sykes from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Yeah, morning everybody. Excuse me, I appreciate a long pause to try and get things quickly. Just on EMEA LATAM, respiratory has been a substantial growth driver within the division. Would you be able to just explain where you've had the most success in respiratory? It looks like the last couple of years, it's probably been close to 40% of growth in a very high margin category.

Speaker 3

So where has the growth come from, please? And then in your accounts, you released that you had previously reversals of prior year write downs of inventory. I think last year, it's about 74,000,000. I was just wondering what categories is that tended to be in? And is that normally a Q4 phenomena, please?

Speaker 3

All

Speaker 2

right. Thanks, Tom. So first of all, I think on EMEA LatAm. So maybe just to clarify, right, I said, I didn't say 40% of the growth, I said 40% of business in the U. S, right.

Speaker 2

So I think our geographic mix on respiratory is skewed to outside the U. S, right. And I think the reason I said this is that there's a lot of U. S. Market data coming through on cold and flu trends because you get pretty much daily data rolling through from that.

Speaker 2

And I think you shouldn't take at least for our business sort of a read across from what the U. S. Is doing on a daily or monthly basis, right. So for us, respiratory, it's a core part of the portfolio everywhere. It's a core part of the pharmacy business, which is very big in EMEA LATAM because the pharmacist need to have these products on shelves similar to pain relief products.

Speaker 2

You need all the respiratory products on the shelf. And in Europe, we were focusing here on 2 brands. 1 is Terraflu, which is sold into the markets under the brand name of Neo Citron and then on Otravin. And on Otravin, we have a major innovation with nasal mist. So I mean, you all probably know from your childhoods how we all hated nasal drops and nasal sprays because it's like shooting a gun up your nose.

Speaker 2

And we did this new innovation, which is a mess, so which is much easier to take and actually should sort of take this this barrier of using a spray that we all experience as kids and growing up away. And I think that innovation is rolling out across EMEA and LatAm, right. So and then on so and that's where the focus is on EMEA LatAm. I think sell in was quite normal. We sold in ahead of the season as we always do and now we're ready to we're now ready to go and look how the season will evolve, right.

Speaker 2

And then I think on your reversal, I'm not sure about inventory risk. I mean, we reversed a ChapStick impairment because that we had impaired it, we had it impaired a bit more last in prior year and then we got a bit more money for it as we divested it. If that's the one you referred to, if that's not the one maybe we follow-up with Rakesh afterwards Tom and we clarify that question for you.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

We currently have no further questions. So I'll hand back to Tobias for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much. So thanks a lot for your interest. So before we close out the call, I want to formally welcome Dawn Allen to Halion. She officially starts as CFO tomorrow. She's listening to this call and look, please give her the same warm welcome you gave me when I started as CFO a few years ago.

Speaker 2

And also Dawn will be with us at Analyst Drinks later today and also she will be joining me at upcoming investor conference and meeting. So we're both looking forward to seeing you all. So for this today, goodbye and see you all soon. Thank you very much.

Operator

This concludes.

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