Hippo Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 7, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Hello and thank you for standing by. My name is Regina and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Braemar Hotels and Resorts Inc. 3rd Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

Operator

After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Deric Eubanks, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to today's call to review results for Braemar Hotels and Resorts for the Q3 of 2024 and to update you on recent developments. On the call today will also be Richard Stockton, President and Chief Executive Officer and Chris Nixon, Executive Vice President and Head of Asset Management. The results as well as notice of the accessibility of this conference call on a listen only basis over the Internet were distributed yesterday in a press release. At this time, let me remind you that certain statements and assumptions in this conference call contain or are based upon forward looking information and are being made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the federal securities regulations. Such forward looking statements are subject to numerous assumptions, uncertainties and known or unknown risks, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated.

Speaker 1

These factors are more fully discussed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The forward looking statements included in this conference call are only made as of the date of this call, and the company is not obligated to publicly update or revise them. Statements made during this call do not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy any securities. Securities will be offered only by means of a registration statement and prospectus, which can be found at www.sec.gov. In addition, certain terms used in this call are non GAAP financial measures, reconciliations of which are provided in the company's earnings release and accompanying tables or schedules, which have been filed on Form 8 ks with the SEC on November 6, 2024, and may also be accessed through the company's website at www.bhrreit.com.

Speaker 1

Each listener is encouraged to review those reconciliations provided in the earnings release, together with all other information provided in the release. Also, unless otherwise stated, all reported results discussed in this call compare the Q3 ended September 30, 2024 with the Q3 ended September 30, 2023.

Speaker 2

I will now turn the call over

Speaker 1

to Richard Stockton. Please go ahead, Richard.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Welcome to our Q3 earnings conference call. I will begin today's call by providing an overview of our business and update on our portfolio and an update on our recently announced shareholder value creation plan. Then Derek will provide a review of our financial results and Chris will provide an update on our asset management activity. Afterwards, we'll open the call for Q and A.

Speaker 3

There are several key themes for today's call. 1st, our urban hotels delivered strong performance again this quarter with impressive comparable RevPAR growth of 6% over the prior year quarter. 2nd, we have no remaining final debt maturities in 2024 and are currently working on a refinancing of our sole 2025 maturity. And third, we're pleased with the progress we have made on our recently announced shareholder value creation plan with the closing of the sale of Hilton and Hoagla Torrey Pines at attractive value and the redemption of approximately $50,000,000 of our non traded preferred. As it relates to our financial results for the quarter, we reported comparable RevPAR of $261 and comparable hotel EBITDA of $24,700,000 It's useful to note that from a seasonality perspective, the 3rd quarter is the weakest quarter in the year for our portfolio.

Speaker 3

Importantly, we continue to be encouraged by the strong performance of our urban hotels, which as I said, achieved RevPAR growth of 6% in the quarter. Regarding our urban assets, RevPAR for the quarter was $213 and comparable hotel EBITDA was $16,400,000 We're seeing strength across all demand segments at our urban properties. Looking ahead, we remain very encouraged by the continued momentum for this segment of our portfolio, and we continue to believe our urban hotels will be the primary driver of growth for our portfolio in the coming quarters. Looking at Framar's capital position, we continue to emphasize balance sheet flexibility. With the recent closing of the sale of the Hilton Hawaiian Torrey Pines, we have now addressed all of our 2024 debt maturities and are currently talking to lenders about our sole 2025 maturity.

Speaker 3

Earlier this year, we announced a shareholder value creation plan, which has 4 components. They are: 1, execute select non core asset sales, including the recent sale of the Hilton La Jolla Torrey Pines 2, the repayment of our remaining 2024 debt maturities 3, a $50,000,000 preferred share redemption program and 4, a $50,000,000 common share buyback authorization. During the quarter, we sold the Hilton La Jolla Torrey Pines for $165,000,000 or $419,000 per key, Including anticipated capital expenditures of $40,000,000 the sale price represented a 7.2% capitalization rate on net operating income for the trailing 12 months ended March 31, 2024. We also continue to evaluate the sale of additional hotel properties. In early August, we closed on a refinancing involving 5 hotels at an attractive rate through a CMBS financing.

Speaker 3

The new loan of $407,000,000 has a 2 year initial term and 3 1 year extension options subject to the satisfaction of certain conditions, taking the final maturity to 2029. The loan is interest only and provides for a floating rate interest of SOFR plus 3.24%. Notably, this financing resulted in us paying off our corporate term loan and credit facility and resulted in a lower cost of capital for the debt on these assets as well as improving our maturity schedule and extending our weighted average maturity. Regarding redemptions of our non traded preferred stock, to date, we have now redeemed approximately $50,000,000 of our non traded preferred stock. As we continue to monitor both our leverage and our liquidity needs, as of the end of the quarter, we have not bought back any common shares.

Speaker 3

In terms of our most recent results, we're pleased to report that comparable RevPAR for our portfolio increased 7.5% in October, with comparable total revenue growth of almost 11%, which sets us up well for 4th quarter performance. Furthermore, our group pace for the Q1 of 2025 is currently up nearly 40%. We are very encouraged with these data points and believe Braemar is in a good position to perform well in both the near and long term. I will now turn the call over to Garrett to take you through our financials in more detail.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Richard. For the quarter, we reported a net loss attributable to common stockholders of $1,400,000 or $0.02 per diluted share and AFFO per diluted share of negative $0.24 Adjusted EBITDAre for the quarter was $18,500,000 At quarter end, we had total assets of $2,200,000,000 We had $1,200,000,000 of loans, which $27,700,000 related to our joint venture partner share of the loan on the Capital Hilton. Our total combined loans at a blended average interest rate of 7.6% taking into account in the money interest rate caps. Based on the current level of SOFR and our corresponding interest rate caps, approximately 23% of our debt is effectively fixed and approximately 77% is effectively floating. As of the end of the 3rd quarter, we had approximately 41% net debt to gross assets.

Speaker 2

We ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalents of $168,700,000

Speaker 1

and restricted cash of $48,500,000 The vast majority of that restricted cash is comprised of lender and manager held reserve accounts. At the end of the quarter, we also had $19,900,000 in due from 3rd party hotel managers. This primarily represents cash held by one of our brand managers, which is also available to fund hotel operating costs. With regard to dividends, we again announced the quarterly common stock dividend of $0.05 per share or $0.20 per diluted share on an annualized basis. This equates to an annual yield of approximately 6.8% based on yesterday's stock price.

Speaker 1

Our Board of Directors will continue to review the company's dividend policy on a quarter to quarter basis. As Richard mentioned, during the quarter, we closed on a refinancing involving 5 hotels. The new loan of $407,000,000 has a 2 year initial term with 3 1 year extension options subject to the satisfaction of certain conditions taking the final maturity to 2029. The loan is interest only and provides for a floating interest rate of SOFR plus 3.24 percent. As part of this financing, we acquired a tranche of CMBS with a par value of $42,200,000 and a rate of SOFR plus 5.2 percent, which lowered our net spread on the $364,800,000 remaining loan amount to Soffeur plus 3.01 percent.

Speaker 1

The loan is secured by 5 hotels, Pure House Resort and Spa, Bartosono Hotel and Spa, Hotel Yountville, the Ritz Carlton Sarasota and the Ritz Carlton St. Thomas. The new loan refinanced the $80,000,000 loan secured by the Pier House Resort and Spa, which had an interest rate of sulfur plus 3.6% and had a final maturity date in September 2026. The $42,500,000 loan secured by the Ritz Carlton St. Thomas, which had an interest rate of sulfur plus 4.35 percent and had a final maturity date in August 2026 and the $200,000,000 corporate term loan and credit facility secured by the Ritz Carlton Sarasota, Hotel Yountville and Bardessono Hotel and Spa, which had an interest rate of sulfur plus 3.1% and had a final maturity date in July 2027.

Speaker 1

Looking ahead, our only 2025 maturity is the loan that includes the Sofitel Chicago, the Clancy, the Notary and the Marriott Seattle, which matures in June. We are in discussions with lenders about the refinancing of this loan and currently expect to have that completed early next year. As of September 30, 2024, our portfolio consisted of 15 hotels with 3,667 net rooms. Our share count currently stands at 73,900,000 fully diluted shares outstanding, which is comprised of 66,500,000 shares of common stock and 7,400,000 OP units. This concludes our financial review.

Speaker 1

I'd now like to turn it over to Chris to discuss our asset management activities for the quarter.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Derek. Comparable hotel RevPAR for our portfolio was $2.61 for the 3rd quarter, a 1.6% decrease over the prior year quarter. The year over year decline in RevPAR was primarily driven by 2 key factors. First is the extensive renovation work ongoing at the Ritz Carlton Lake Tahoe. The renovation, which we are in the final stages of completing, will transform nearly every area of the hotel and be completed this quarter, which will position the hotel well for the upcoming festive season.

Speaker 2

The second is the continued normalization of our resort hotels. Despite 3rd quarter resort RevPAR being up 16.2% to the comparable period in 2019, we are still seeing a slight decline in leisure demand year over year. Portfolio wide group revenue increased 14% this year through the Q3 compared to the prior year period. Our urban assets continue to perform well with demand steadily returning to our downtown locations. In the Q3, our urban portfolio achieved growth in total hotel revenue of 8% and growth in occupancy of 4% compared to the prior year period.

Speaker 2

Our asset management team continues to work with our property managers to drive ancillary revenue, which increased 8.3% on a per occupied room basis compared to the prior year quarter. Additionally, our hotels have implemented various initiatives aimed at boosting productivity and efficiency across our portfolio. As a result, overall productivity measured as labor hours per occupied room improved by 40 basis points compared to the prior year quarter. I would now like to spend some time highlighting some of our successes in the quarter. As previously mentioned, group pace continues to accelerate across the portfolio.

Speaker 2

Group rooms revenue for the Q3 finished ahead of the prior year quarter by 14%. With the Q1 pacing ahead by 40%, we are well positioned for the full year of 2025 with group rooms revenue pacing ahead by 13% compared to the prior year. This success is partially attributed to an emphasis on lead generation, which resulted in a 14% increase in leads compared to the prior year quarter despite softening trends industry wide. Our revenue optimization team works diligently with hotel sales teams to optimize group targets and monitor actionable takeaways from lead generation platforms. Notably, 2 of our most recently renovated hotels have seen robust sales performance.

Speaker 2

Our largest hotel, Capital Hilton finished the 3rd quarter with group rooms revenue 31% above the prior year quarter. Additionally, the Ritz Carlton Lake Tahoe, which is currently completing a full transformative renovation has restructured their sales team. The hotel's new sales leader conducted a detailed analysis of the sales and marketing expenses, identifying opportunities to intensify marketing efforts on group and event booking platforms. This initiative led to a 67% increase in lead volume during the Q3 compared to the prior year quarter. As we cited earlier, our urban hotels continue to experience strength as hotel RevPAR for the Q3 grew by 600 basis points compared to the prior year period for these hotels.

Speaker 2

Our Marriott Seattle Waterfront hotel had a successful quarter with a 13% increase in total revenue and an 8% increase in hotel EBITDA compared to the prior year quarter. The hotel implemented a comprehensive strategy to increase its group base, capture market share and drive food and beverage revenue. As a result, during the quarter, the hotel successfully hosted 2 additional large groups in July, while simultaneously pushing rates and allocating premium rooms to leisure customers during the market's peak season. In addition to the hotel's marketing efforts, the team has collaborated closely with local tourism authorities, including Visit Seattle to launch Destination Waterfront, a business development strategy aimed at enhancing the visibility of our Waterfront location in Seattle. This strategy involves developing visual aids and presentations that showcase the transformations occurring in the market and at the hotel.

Speaker 2

These materials were presented to local government officials and internal sales teams enabling us to successfully secure a significant international conference hosted by a U. S. Government agency in September, which generated $376,000 in total revenue for the property. Similar to the rest of the industry, this portfolio typically sees a negative impact during the Q3 of an election year as government business stalls. However, the notary in Philadelphia has seen a benefit from this being an election year based on its location in a key battleground state.

Speaker 2

The hotel successfully capitalized on favorable group and transient demand. At the same time, the notaries achieved significant operational efficiencies by optimizing staffing levels, managing PTO and eliminating task force labor. The increased demand combined with efforts to control costs drove strong third quarter results at this hotel with comparable total revenue increasing by 17% and hotel EBITDA increasing by 38% over the prior year quarter. In late September early October, some of our hotels were impacted by Hurricane Helene in the Southeastern United States and Hurricane Milton, which hit right at the beginning of Q4. Our risk management team proactively handles hurricane procedures by identifying and notifying potentially impacted hotels, allowing them ample time to prepare.

Speaker 2

We then preemptively align with the hotels on preparation procedures such as identifying low spots, adding sandbags, removing debris and strapping down equipment. All of our hotels have access to generators in case of a power outage. These procedures have helped us to force strong relationships with disaster relief companies who provide quick aid to our hotels with cleanup. While we did sustain damage to the beach club at our Ritz Carlton Sarasota due to the storm surge that pushed sand up to our pool deck level and some roof damage caused by high winds, we experienced minimal operational impact to the hotel during the Q3. Moving on to capital expenditures.

Speaker 2

During the Q3 of 2024, we completed several transformative renovations at the Ritz Carlton Lake Tahoe. These upgrades included the relocation and expansion of the living room bar, which now serves as a centerpiece of the space. We also completed significant upgrades to the fitness center, meeting spaces and outdoor pool area, including the addition of 3 luxury cabanas, which are expected to enhance the guest experience and generate strong ROI through increased poolside revenue. Additionally, we completed the restaurant refresh at the iconic Jack Dusty and the Ritz Carlton Sarasota. Progress continues at the Four Seasons Resort Scottsdale where we are converting underutilized back of house space into an Epicurean retail market offering guests continuous access to curated food and beverage selections to drive incremental revenue for the property.

Speaker 2

In the Q3, we also initiated comprehensive updates to the beachfront restaurant at the Ritz Carlton St. Thomas but expect the completion by year end. Looking ahead to the Q4, we plan to begin renovations at our fine dining restaurants at the Ritz Carlton Lake Tahoe and Ritz Carlton Reserve Dorado Beach. Additionally, we will start construction on 5 luxury beachside cabanas at the Ritz Carlton St. Thomas, which are expected to enhance the guest experience and generate strong incremental revenue.

Speaker 2

For 2024, we expect capital expenditures to range between $70,000,000 $90,000,000 as we continue to invest in key renovations and strategic upgrades across our portfolio.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Chris. In summary, I'd like to reiterate that we continue to be pleased with the performance of our hotels, in particular, the continued strong performance of our urban properties. We also remain well positioned with a solid balance sheet and promising outlook. We look forward to updating you on our progress in the quarters ahead. This concludes our prepared remarks and we'll now open the call for Q and A.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Our first question will come from the line of Jonathan Jenkins with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. First one for me, when you look at the quarter, can you maybe talk about the underlying impact of mix shift to more BT demand and how that strong group outlook could impact that mix going forward? And maybe if you could just remind us what your normal mix, historical mix has been in the past?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Jonathan. Our historical mix, we've done typically anywhere from 25% to 30% group business. I think as we look at how our group pace is layered in the year for next year 2025, we're very happy. So Q1 is typically our strongest quarter from a RevPAR standpoint because we have festive season that impacts a lot of our resorts we run very high ADRs in that quarter.

Speaker 2

However, from an occupancy standpoint, Q1 is actually where we run a lower occupancy than other quarters. And so we prefer a group base in that quarter. As we kind of dive deeper into the quarter, March is historically the softest month within Q1 and that's where we have our largest group pace increases year over year. Group pace currently for the month of March is up over 70% the prior year. And so we're very happy with kind of our group pace, not only that it's just up double digits for the full year, but also when you kind of zoom in where it's layered throughout the year and throughout the Q1.

Speaker 2

From a mix standpoint, we are seeing softer leisure trends, softer leisure demand on the weekends, especially impacting our resorts. Corporate continues to increase. Our corporate revenue was up 12% year on year, and we're seeing that in nearly all markets. The only exception I'd say is San Francisco, which continues to be very, very challenged. They had soft citywide production this quarter.

Speaker 2

They've seen office vacancy rates increase to an all time high. And we're certainly seeing that in our BP pace there. But if you exclude that hotel on the whole, corporate demand is very strong for us.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. I appreciate the color there. And maybe on that line of thinking, I'm curious if you think that strength is kind of a shift or inflection higher in demand post Labor Day for corporate demand? Or is it a continuation of the steady improvement you've seen kind of throughout the year?

Speaker 2

Yes, there was a slight acceleration kind of post Labor Day, but we've seen strength in growth year on year. It hasn't quite been as strong as we saw in Q3 And we did see some acceleration kind of post Labor Day to the segment.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you for that. And maybe to follow on the commentary on the election, you noted the strength at the notary, but can you maybe talk about for the overall portfolio kind of how the election has impacted kind of demand here in November?

Speaker 2

Yes. In D. C, we've got Capitol Hilton saw some softening to government segments and some other segments in November. We saw some softening broadly in advance of the election. There was a lot of uncertainty around how the election would turn out and government and government related travel did decline.

Speaker 2

We're hopeful that kind of post election that's behind us there's a big acceleration. I will see say that Capital Hilton in particular we've mitigated some of that with our group pace. They're looking very well from a group standpoint. We've also seen very strong demand, very strong ability to capture high ADRs kind of coming out of our renovation where they continue to just set records at the hotel. I got a stat from our team that 5 of the hotel's best months ever in the history of the hotel happened within the last year.

Speaker 2

And so the hotel is performing well, but to government specifically your question around election impact, we did see a softening there in D. C.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's excellent color. And then maybe last one for me, if I could. Can you talk about the transaction market broadly in terms of volume and pricing? Has there been any closing in the gap between buyer and seller expectations or any other moves as of late given the interest rate movement here in September or since September?

Speaker 4

And maybe adding to that, has there been any change in the refi conversations that you've been having?

Speaker 3

Yes, Jonathan, I'll handle that on the transaction market and I'll let Derek talk about financing market. Look, I think everything that we've seen over the last 2 months has been very positive for the transaction market. There are no more buyers modeling in recession risk for next year. It's now that the Fed has started cutting rates, people are modeling in that forward curve. So all these things are helpful.

Speaker 3

That said, there's just aren't a lot of data points just yet. That said, we typically or I shouldn't say typically, but from time to time, we'll ask brokers their opinion of value on our assets. And I can tell you we have been extraordinarily surprised on the upside as those numbers have come back, which suggests that there is definitely some firming of cap rates, certainly at least in the eyes of the brokers. So as I mentioned, our intention is to sell another 2 hotels That will take place next year. It's a long process to sell a hotel averaging 6 or 9 months.

Speaker 3

But hopefully we'll be able to capitalize on what I would consider to be a very constructive transaction market right now.

Speaker 1

Yes. And then on the financing side, I would say we've seen spreads continue to come down some. There's plenty of debt capital out there available. We've seen a lot of hotels get financed in the CMBS market. And so that's been an attractive source of capital.

Speaker 1

Banks for the most part, the large banks continue to be on the sidelines. We're not seeing them very active, which is kind of frustrating because they're the cheapest source of capital and you'd like to see them being more active in allocating capital out. But I suspect that's probably a function of issues with other types of commercial real estate on their balance sheet. But the market's attractive and we've held off on doing some financings until the market was more attractive and feel like we're well positioned and it's an opportune time to be in the market to address the maturity that we have and we feel very good about our maturity schedule. Thankfully, we've got very few maturities that we're looking at and the one that we are working on, we're getting plenty of interest in.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's very helpful color. Thank you for all the insights, everyone. That's all for me.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Sheldon.

Operator

And we'll take our next question from the line of Daniel Hogan with Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I know you mentioned briefly that there wasn't too much damage from the hurricane impact, but is there a 4Q impact that you're expecting, just in terms of demand impact?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Daniel. The majority of the impact that was sustained was to the Beach Club. There was some damage there, as I mentioned, with kind of the storm surge and the water levels and the sand that it moved upwards into the pool areas. We did have some group cancellations in October.

Speaker 2

We're estimating an impact of I'd say anywhere from $500,000 to $700,000 at that hotel. So it was impactful in terms of October business. Luckily for us, you heard Richard cite kind of our October results and the rest of the portfolio performed so well that it outran that and more than offset it. So a lot of the impact was isolated at that hotel to October, but we're very happy with how the portfolio performed as a whole for that month.

Speaker 5

All right. That's it for me. All the other questions are asked. Thanks for your time.

Operator

And that will conclude today's question and answer session. I'll hand the call back to management for any closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Well, thank you all for joining us on our Q3 earnings call and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

Operator

That will conclude today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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