NASDAQ:GRAL Grail Q3 2024 Earnings Report $26.15 +0.21 (+0.82%) As of 11:39 AM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Grail EPS ResultsActual EPS-$3.94Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AGrail Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$28.65 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AGrail Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date11/12/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, November 12, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsGrail's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 15, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 5:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Grail Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 12, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Grails Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that this conference call is being recorded. Grail Investor Relations, please begin. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, and thank you all for joining us today. On the call are Bob Ragusa, our Chief Executive Officer Aaron Frieden, our Chief Financial Officer Doctor. Joshua Othman, our President and Sir Harpal Kumar, our President, International Business and Biopharma. Before we get underway, I'd like to remind everyone that we'll be making forward looking statements on this call based on current expectations. It's our intent that all statements other than statements of historical fact made during today's call, including statements regarding our anticipated financial results and commercial activity, will be covered by the Safe Harbor provisions for forward looking statements contained in Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended and Section 21 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended. Speaker 100:01:12Forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual events or results may differ materially from those projected or discussed. All forward looking statements are based upon currently available information and GRAIL assumes no obligation to update these statements. To better understand the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ, we refer you to the documents that GRAIL files with the SEC, including the Risk Factors section in GRAIL's most recent quarterly report on Form 10 Q. This call will also include a discussion of GAAP results and certain non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted gross profit or loss and adjusted EBITDA, which are adjusted to exclude certain specified items. Speaker 100:01:55Our non GAAP financial measures are intended to supplement your understanding of Grayle's financials. Reconciliations of the non GAAP measures to most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are available in the press release issued today, which is posted to our website. And with that, I'll hand the call to Bob. Speaker 200:02:14Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us to review results for the Q3. We remain pleased with the demand for Galleri that we are seeing in the pre reimbursement environment. Through September 30 this year, more than 250,000 commercial Galleri tests have been prescribed by more than 12,000 healthcare providers since launch. GRAIL is an established market leader in the field and we are proud of the demonstrated impact that GALRY is having on patients' lives. GALRY was designed for population scale and GRAIL continues to optimize our technology and laboratory infrastructure to enable future growth. Speaker 200:02:51At the end of this year, we will launch the next version of the Galleri test. With the new assay, we have integrated a significant level of automation among other efficiencies to support volume at scale and enable reductions in cost over time. Additionally, our large laboratory facility of approximately 200,000 square feet in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina enables us to scale laboratory capacity substantially from multiple years of growth. We continue to present evidence demonstrating Galleries performance at renowned medical conferences and published the results in leading peer reviewed publications. In September, JCO Precision Oncology published a sub analysis from our CCGA and PATHFINDER studies in prostate cancer. Speaker 200:03:37For prostate cancer, in general, over diagnosis of insulin cancers is a particular concern. The analysis demonstrated that when GALLERY detected prostate cancer, most were high grade and clinically significant and usually indicative of aggressive disease where additional diagnostic evaluation is necessary. These data previously shared at AACR in March build on earlier findings regarding Galleri's preferential detection of aggressive deadly cancers. This is important because any screening paradigm when designed for population scale in addition to standard of care screening should not exasperate over diagnosis of indolent cancers. In October, Garell presented early results from the reflection real world evidence study of GALRY at the Early Detection of Cancer Conference. Speaker 200:04:29In this study, a diverse population of approximately 2,800 veterans from the U. S. Department of Veteran Affairs sites with toxic exposure but with no symptoms suggestive of cancer were evaluated. Initial results show that among study participants, the veteran cohort had a cancer signal detection rate of 1.3% and a positive predictive value of 42.9%. More than half of the cases were identified at early stage of 1 to 3. Speaker 200:04:59To discuss our 2nd quarter financial results, I'll turn it over to Grail's Chief Financial Officer, Aaron Frieden. Speaker 300:05:07Thanks, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to present our results for the Q3. 3rd quarter results were strong with revenue of $28,700,000 up $7,900,000 or 38 percent as compared to Q3 2023. Total revenue for the quarter is comprised of $25,400,000 of screening revenue and $3,300,000 of development services revenue. Development services revenue includes services we provide to biopharmaceutical and clinical customers, including support of clinical studies, pilot testing, research and therapy development. Speaker 300:05:44We see continued demand for our Galleri test and sold approximately 32,600 tests in the Q3, which historically has been our slowest quarter of the calendar due to summer holidays. Screening revenue of $25,400,000 in the Q3 was up 52% as compared with the Q3 of 2023, primarily based on an increase in sales volume in Q3 2024 as compared to the same quarter last year. Net loss for the quarter was $125,700,000 an improvement of 86% as compared to Q2 2023, which was impacted by a large goodwill and intangible asset impairment. We additionally report non GAAP financial measures to enhance investors' understanding of our business. These measures include adjusted gross profit or loss and adjusted EBITDA and exclude accounting impacts related to Illumina's acquisition of Grail. Speaker 300:06:41We encourage investors to carefully consider results under GAAP in conjunction with our supplemental non GAAP information and the reconciliation between these presentations available in our Q3 earnings press release. Non GAAP adjusted gross profit for the Q2 of 2024 was $11,800,000 an increase of $4,800,000 or 68% as compared with Q3 2023. Primary drivers of the increased margin were revenue mix and the efficiencies of scale related to increased gallery volume. Adjusted EBITDA for the Q2 of 2024 was a negative $108,200,000 representing an improvement of $17,900,000 or 14 percent as compared to Q3 2023, and we ended the quarter with a cash position of $853,600,000 We continue to expect reductions in our cash burn in line with the guidance we provided last quarter. In August, we lowered our second half cash burn guidance from $250,000,000 to $220,000,000 Additionally, we guided full year burn for 2025 expected to be approximately $325,000,000 Given our experience through the 1st 9 months, we are narrowing our guidance for gallery sales for 2024 to be between 40% 50% growth when compared to 2023. Speaker 300:08:01As a reminder of the expected impact of the restructuring we announced in the last quarter, we plan for Gallery revenue to grow more moderately after 2024 until we receive broad reimbursement. With our reduced spending profile, our cash balance provides runway into 2028. I will turn it back to Bob for concluding remarks. Speaker 200:08:24Thank you, Aaron. We are a mission driven company and we are focused on improving cancer care and enabling broad use of Galleri. We are focused on our strategic goals, seeking FDA approval of Galleri and pursuing broad reimbursement for Galleri. In terms of upcoming milestones, this year we expect to continue enrollment in the Galleri Medicare or REACH study, drive access to Galleri and advance our commercial and research partnerships. We also anticipate transitioning to a new version of Galleri, which will enable us to scale efficiently as Galleri demand increases. Speaker 200:09:01We are looking forward to the expected readouts of our registrational studies and anticipate results from the first 25,000 participants in the PATHFINDER II study in the second half of twenty twenty five and the full results from the NHS gallery study in 2026. With that, we'll turn the call over to Q and A. Operator, please go ahead. Speaker 400:09:25Thank you. Operator00:09:46Our first question will come from, excuse me, our first question will come from Subbu Nambi with Guggenheim. Speaker 500:09:55Hey, guys. It's Thomas on for Subbu. Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 400:09:59A decade into the GRAIL journey, can you walk through some of the progress that's been made and give a little bit more color on the outlook for GALRY reimbursement, Speaker 500:10:08the test FDA regulatory pathway, and then just your commercial strategy in general, especially that comes to that new test. You know, what comes next? And specifically, when do you expect to be in front of the FDA regulatory pathway, and how long after, would you envision CMS reimbursement? Speaker 600:10:30Thanks for the questions. Fair amount to unpack there. So I guess maybe focusing first on the FDA pathway. So we've now in July completed the study visits for our 2 key registrational studies. So Pathfinder 2, where we've enrolled 35,000 people and the NHS gallery study, we're enrolled 140,000 people on that. Speaker 600:10:57That's the clinical data across that 175,000 people where we will use to submit for our PMA and the submission time is the first half first half of twenty twenty six. And so so, from that, we do expect an advisory committee at the FDA. And so we expect about a 1 year timeline from that, which would drive us into first half twenty twenty seven for FDA approval is the tentative timeline that we're working towards. Is, you know, it's the tentative timeline that we're working towards. You know, as mentioned in the, in the questions of next version of the assay. Speaker 600:11:32So one of the things we recognize is that the Galleri test has always been built for population scale. And with the next version of the assay, we really looked to 2 things. 1, nearly fully automate the assay itself to be gets great scalability. And with that also comes cost reduction. So we expect, near term, variable cost reduction from the assay and then longer term as we get volume, we expect fixed cost leverage from the assay. Speaker 600:12:01So we're looking to transition to that new assay at the end of this year. And then on the reimbursement pathway, clearly CMS is an important element of that. There is the MSED law going through Congress right now. In the summer, it had a markup in the House Waste and Means Committee where we had a rather rare and unusual, unanimous vote for it, 38 to 0. And so we're very encouraged by that. Speaker 600:12:32We're encouraged by the large stakeholder groups that are advocating for the bill. You know, one of the things that's very clear is that, you know, cancer is not a partisan issue. So we have bipartisan, bicameral support for the bill. And so we're really highly encouraged by that, plus just the support networks that are and sponsors for the bill. But given the nature of our Congress and any of the lack of productivity in Congress in the last year or so, it's difficult to predict timing on that. Speaker 600:13:05But, you know, we're hopeful that before we get FDA approval, we will have the bill pass and that would give CMS the authority to be able to cover an FDA approved, MSED test. So maybe I'll stop there and see if there's any follow on. Speaker 500:13:22Awesome. Thanks for that color. And then just one more building off of that. You mentioned cash balance. How do you manage your commercial efforts, given everything that you just said and that spend? Speaker 600:13:36Yes. So, I think, one of the things we did in the restructuring in August is we looked at our spend across the organization and really focused on our North Star of getting Galleri FDA approved and reimbursed. Within that we've recognized that as an early stage unreimbursed test that the invest, it's really an investment in commercial. And as you can see from this quarter's results, we know that if we invest in commercial, we can drive sales and drive sales rapidly. In August, we looked at moderating that the amount of investment in there in order to extend our cash runway out into 2028. Speaker 600:14:15And so right now, we're prioritizing that cash runway. And on the commercial side, what we're really looking to is to drive that to be more cost neutral so that the margin generated by the tests that they're selling can cover the, at least cover the commercial expenses. So it's a more moderate approach. We've learned a lot about what works and doesn't work. So we've been able to concentrate our commercial efforts on the most productive areas and pull back from some of the other areas. Speaker 600:14:44And so we think we'll continue to learn as we go even at a more moderated pace. But that is the expectation. Operator00:14:57Our next question will come from Tejas Savant with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:15:03Hi. This is Jason on for Tejas. Thank you for taking our questions. So Grail's gonna be the 1st mover in the MSED market. Obviously, the market right now is very decent and you have to build awareness for technology for both physicians and patients. Speaker 700:15:16So, with potential FDA approval and establishing reimbursement 2 years away, give or take, can you talk about any plans you have to build the MCET market in the next year or 2 before reimbursement? Thank you. Speaker 600:15:29Sure. So, both over the last couple of years, as well as going into the near future, we've looked to really build out how the ecosystem works. And so what we wanted, part of wanting to drive the commercial experience here is to get providers, health systems, you know, very comfortable with the test, know how to operate with the test and really integrate it into their standard practices. And so we've been very successful at that aspect of it. And so we will continue to push on that and understand what resonates with providers, what resonates with patients in terms of you know, how we describe the test. Speaker 600:16:11And then, you know, from a very practical standpoint, you know, making sure our laboratory is able to deliver high quality tests in a very timely manner. So just kind of exercising the whole ecosystem is very important because again, this is a population scale test that's been designed. And so we expect to operate at very high volumes. And so while we're already operating at reasonably high volumes, you know, when we get to the next stage of broad reimbursement, the volumes will go up exponentially, and we'll need to be prepared for that. Speaker 700:16:42Got it. Thank you for that. And then as a follow-up, on version 2 of Galleri, you have mentioned that the main goal is to produce a scalable version of the test. Can you confirm if you anticipate any major performance differences for version 2 compared to the current version? And additionally, can you confirm what bridging studies you might need to do with respect to the studies you're submitting as part of the PMA submission? Speaker 700:17:02Thank you. Speaker 600:17:06Yeah. So we while we expect some minor improvements in the performance from an end user perspective, we would not expect a significant difference in the actual performance of the test. The main drivers here, as we mentioned, scalability and cost on the both studies. And in terms of from an FDA perspective, we're in discussions with them on the appropriate bridging studies for the next version of the assay from the current version. And as we go later on, we'll have similar discussions with the NHS if they want to move forward in the full scale deployment. Speaker 700:17:48Great. Appreciate the time. Operator00:17:52Our last question comes from Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:17:58Hi, guys. This is Mackenzie on for Vijay. Just another question on Operator00:18:00cash burn. How should we be Speaker 400:18:01thinking about phasing of that look at the Speaker 200:18:15Aaron, you want to take that one? Speaker 300:18:17Yes. Great question. So we'd expect cash burn to decrease in subsequent years as we continue to grow revenues and investments in some of the programs that we've been talking about, getting to PMA submission, getting to the next version of the test roll off. Speaker 400:18:37Okay, great. That's helpful. And then I know you talked about in the new version of Gallery, this is supposed to reduce your COGS, but it sounds like it's going to take a little bit of time for that to ramp. So how should we be thinking about how long that ramp to sort of a normalized COGS run rate will take? And and what can we expect on the margin front there? Speaker 300:18:58Yes. So hard to predict right now from a timing perspective. But it's going to be a there'll be an impact to begin with on the variable front. Part of the main driver for that program was to bring down the cost of the test and then increase the throughput. So there'll be some pickup to begin with, but we won't realize the entire benefits of that test, of the cost of that test until we get into significantly more volume than we're at today. Speaker 300:19:29That's something as we transition to that test at the end of this year, run it for the following quarters, we'll be able to give more line of sight to that. Speaker 400:19:40Got it. Thank you. There are Operator00:19:45no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to GRAIL for closing remarks. Speaker 600:19:50I want to thank everyone for joining today's call. Operator00:19:57Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the call. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Grails Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that this conference call is being recorded. Grail Investor Relations, please begin. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, and thank you all for joining us today. On the call are Bob Ragusa, our Chief Executive Officer Aaron Frieden, our Chief Financial Officer Doctor. Joshua Othman, our President and Sir Harpal Kumar, our President, International Business and Biopharma. Before we get underway, I'd like to remind everyone that we'll be making forward looking statements on this call based on current expectations. It's our intent that all statements other than statements of historical fact made during today's call, including statements regarding our anticipated financial results and commercial activity, will be covered by the Safe Harbor provisions for forward looking statements contained in Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended and Section 21 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended. Speaker 100:01:12Forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual events or results may differ materially from those projected or discussed. All forward looking statements are based upon currently available information and GRAIL assumes no obligation to update these statements. To better understand the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ, we refer you to the documents that GRAIL files with the SEC, including the Risk Factors section in GRAIL's most recent quarterly report on Form 10 Q. This call will also include a discussion of GAAP results and certain non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted gross profit or loss and adjusted EBITDA, which are adjusted to exclude certain specified items. Speaker 100:01:55Our non GAAP financial measures are intended to supplement your understanding of Grayle's financials. Reconciliations of the non GAAP measures to most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are available in the press release issued today, which is posted to our website. And with that, I'll hand the call to Bob. Speaker 200:02:14Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us to review results for the Q3. We remain pleased with the demand for Galleri that we are seeing in the pre reimbursement environment. Through September 30 this year, more than 250,000 commercial Galleri tests have been prescribed by more than 12,000 healthcare providers since launch. GRAIL is an established market leader in the field and we are proud of the demonstrated impact that GALRY is having on patients' lives. GALRY was designed for population scale and GRAIL continues to optimize our technology and laboratory infrastructure to enable future growth. Speaker 200:02:51At the end of this year, we will launch the next version of the Galleri test. With the new assay, we have integrated a significant level of automation among other efficiencies to support volume at scale and enable reductions in cost over time. Additionally, our large laboratory facility of approximately 200,000 square feet in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina enables us to scale laboratory capacity substantially from multiple years of growth. We continue to present evidence demonstrating Galleries performance at renowned medical conferences and published the results in leading peer reviewed publications. In September, JCO Precision Oncology published a sub analysis from our CCGA and PATHFINDER studies in prostate cancer. Speaker 200:03:37For prostate cancer, in general, over diagnosis of insulin cancers is a particular concern. The analysis demonstrated that when GALLERY detected prostate cancer, most were high grade and clinically significant and usually indicative of aggressive disease where additional diagnostic evaluation is necessary. These data previously shared at AACR in March build on earlier findings regarding Galleri's preferential detection of aggressive deadly cancers. This is important because any screening paradigm when designed for population scale in addition to standard of care screening should not exasperate over diagnosis of indolent cancers. In October, Garell presented early results from the reflection real world evidence study of GALRY at the Early Detection of Cancer Conference. Speaker 200:04:29In this study, a diverse population of approximately 2,800 veterans from the U. S. Department of Veteran Affairs sites with toxic exposure but with no symptoms suggestive of cancer were evaluated. Initial results show that among study participants, the veteran cohort had a cancer signal detection rate of 1.3% and a positive predictive value of 42.9%. More than half of the cases were identified at early stage of 1 to 3. Speaker 200:04:59To discuss our 2nd quarter financial results, I'll turn it over to Grail's Chief Financial Officer, Aaron Frieden. Speaker 300:05:07Thanks, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to present our results for the Q3. 3rd quarter results were strong with revenue of $28,700,000 up $7,900,000 or 38 percent as compared to Q3 2023. Total revenue for the quarter is comprised of $25,400,000 of screening revenue and $3,300,000 of development services revenue. Development services revenue includes services we provide to biopharmaceutical and clinical customers, including support of clinical studies, pilot testing, research and therapy development. Speaker 300:05:44We see continued demand for our Galleri test and sold approximately 32,600 tests in the Q3, which historically has been our slowest quarter of the calendar due to summer holidays. Screening revenue of $25,400,000 in the Q3 was up 52% as compared with the Q3 of 2023, primarily based on an increase in sales volume in Q3 2024 as compared to the same quarter last year. Net loss for the quarter was $125,700,000 an improvement of 86% as compared to Q2 2023, which was impacted by a large goodwill and intangible asset impairment. We additionally report non GAAP financial measures to enhance investors' understanding of our business. These measures include adjusted gross profit or loss and adjusted EBITDA and exclude accounting impacts related to Illumina's acquisition of Grail. Speaker 300:06:41We encourage investors to carefully consider results under GAAP in conjunction with our supplemental non GAAP information and the reconciliation between these presentations available in our Q3 earnings press release. Non GAAP adjusted gross profit for the Q2 of 2024 was $11,800,000 an increase of $4,800,000 or 68% as compared with Q3 2023. Primary drivers of the increased margin were revenue mix and the efficiencies of scale related to increased gallery volume. Adjusted EBITDA for the Q2 of 2024 was a negative $108,200,000 representing an improvement of $17,900,000 or 14 percent as compared to Q3 2023, and we ended the quarter with a cash position of $853,600,000 We continue to expect reductions in our cash burn in line with the guidance we provided last quarter. In August, we lowered our second half cash burn guidance from $250,000,000 to $220,000,000 Additionally, we guided full year burn for 2025 expected to be approximately $325,000,000 Given our experience through the 1st 9 months, we are narrowing our guidance for gallery sales for 2024 to be between 40% 50% growth when compared to 2023. Speaker 300:08:01As a reminder of the expected impact of the restructuring we announced in the last quarter, we plan for Gallery revenue to grow more moderately after 2024 until we receive broad reimbursement. With our reduced spending profile, our cash balance provides runway into 2028. I will turn it back to Bob for concluding remarks. Speaker 200:08:24Thank you, Aaron. We are a mission driven company and we are focused on improving cancer care and enabling broad use of Galleri. We are focused on our strategic goals, seeking FDA approval of Galleri and pursuing broad reimbursement for Galleri. In terms of upcoming milestones, this year we expect to continue enrollment in the Galleri Medicare or REACH study, drive access to Galleri and advance our commercial and research partnerships. We also anticipate transitioning to a new version of Galleri, which will enable us to scale efficiently as Galleri demand increases. Speaker 200:09:01We are looking forward to the expected readouts of our registrational studies and anticipate results from the first 25,000 participants in the PATHFINDER II study in the second half of twenty twenty five and the full results from the NHS gallery study in 2026. With that, we'll turn the call over to Q and A. Operator, please go ahead. Speaker 400:09:25Thank you. Operator00:09:46Our first question will come from, excuse me, our first question will come from Subbu Nambi with Guggenheim. Speaker 500:09:55Hey, guys. It's Thomas on for Subbu. Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 400:09:59A decade into the GRAIL journey, can you walk through some of the progress that's been made and give a little bit more color on the outlook for GALRY reimbursement, Speaker 500:10:08the test FDA regulatory pathway, and then just your commercial strategy in general, especially that comes to that new test. You know, what comes next? And specifically, when do you expect to be in front of the FDA regulatory pathway, and how long after, would you envision CMS reimbursement? Speaker 600:10:30Thanks for the questions. Fair amount to unpack there. So I guess maybe focusing first on the FDA pathway. So we've now in July completed the study visits for our 2 key registrational studies. So Pathfinder 2, where we've enrolled 35,000 people and the NHS gallery study, we're enrolled 140,000 people on that. Speaker 600:10:57That's the clinical data across that 175,000 people where we will use to submit for our PMA and the submission time is the first half first half of twenty twenty six. And so so, from that, we do expect an advisory committee at the FDA. And so we expect about a 1 year timeline from that, which would drive us into first half twenty twenty seven for FDA approval is the tentative timeline that we're working towards. Is, you know, it's the tentative timeline that we're working towards. You know, as mentioned in the, in the questions of next version of the assay. Speaker 600:11:32So one of the things we recognize is that the Galleri test has always been built for population scale. And with the next version of the assay, we really looked to 2 things. 1, nearly fully automate the assay itself to be gets great scalability. And with that also comes cost reduction. So we expect, near term, variable cost reduction from the assay and then longer term as we get volume, we expect fixed cost leverage from the assay. Speaker 600:12:01So we're looking to transition to that new assay at the end of this year. And then on the reimbursement pathway, clearly CMS is an important element of that. There is the MSED law going through Congress right now. In the summer, it had a markup in the House Waste and Means Committee where we had a rather rare and unusual, unanimous vote for it, 38 to 0. And so we're very encouraged by that. Speaker 600:12:32We're encouraged by the large stakeholder groups that are advocating for the bill. You know, one of the things that's very clear is that, you know, cancer is not a partisan issue. So we have bipartisan, bicameral support for the bill. And so we're really highly encouraged by that, plus just the support networks that are and sponsors for the bill. But given the nature of our Congress and any of the lack of productivity in Congress in the last year or so, it's difficult to predict timing on that. Speaker 600:13:05But, you know, we're hopeful that before we get FDA approval, we will have the bill pass and that would give CMS the authority to be able to cover an FDA approved, MSED test. So maybe I'll stop there and see if there's any follow on. Speaker 500:13:22Awesome. Thanks for that color. And then just one more building off of that. You mentioned cash balance. How do you manage your commercial efforts, given everything that you just said and that spend? Speaker 600:13:36Yes. So, I think, one of the things we did in the restructuring in August is we looked at our spend across the organization and really focused on our North Star of getting Galleri FDA approved and reimbursed. Within that we've recognized that as an early stage unreimbursed test that the invest, it's really an investment in commercial. And as you can see from this quarter's results, we know that if we invest in commercial, we can drive sales and drive sales rapidly. In August, we looked at moderating that the amount of investment in there in order to extend our cash runway out into 2028. Speaker 600:14:15And so right now, we're prioritizing that cash runway. And on the commercial side, what we're really looking to is to drive that to be more cost neutral so that the margin generated by the tests that they're selling can cover the, at least cover the commercial expenses. So it's a more moderate approach. We've learned a lot about what works and doesn't work. So we've been able to concentrate our commercial efforts on the most productive areas and pull back from some of the other areas. Speaker 600:14:44And so we think we'll continue to learn as we go even at a more moderated pace. But that is the expectation. Operator00:14:57Our next question will come from Tejas Savant with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:15:03Hi. This is Jason on for Tejas. Thank you for taking our questions. So Grail's gonna be the 1st mover in the MSED market. Obviously, the market right now is very decent and you have to build awareness for technology for both physicians and patients. Speaker 700:15:16So, with potential FDA approval and establishing reimbursement 2 years away, give or take, can you talk about any plans you have to build the MCET market in the next year or 2 before reimbursement? Thank you. Speaker 600:15:29Sure. So, both over the last couple of years, as well as going into the near future, we've looked to really build out how the ecosystem works. And so what we wanted, part of wanting to drive the commercial experience here is to get providers, health systems, you know, very comfortable with the test, know how to operate with the test and really integrate it into their standard practices. And so we've been very successful at that aspect of it. And so we will continue to push on that and understand what resonates with providers, what resonates with patients in terms of you know, how we describe the test. Speaker 600:16:11And then, you know, from a very practical standpoint, you know, making sure our laboratory is able to deliver high quality tests in a very timely manner. So just kind of exercising the whole ecosystem is very important because again, this is a population scale test that's been designed. And so we expect to operate at very high volumes. And so while we're already operating at reasonably high volumes, you know, when we get to the next stage of broad reimbursement, the volumes will go up exponentially, and we'll need to be prepared for that. Speaker 700:16:42Got it. Thank you for that. And then as a follow-up, on version 2 of Galleri, you have mentioned that the main goal is to produce a scalable version of the test. Can you confirm if you anticipate any major performance differences for version 2 compared to the current version? And additionally, can you confirm what bridging studies you might need to do with respect to the studies you're submitting as part of the PMA submission? Speaker 700:17:02Thank you. Speaker 600:17:06Yeah. So we while we expect some minor improvements in the performance from an end user perspective, we would not expect a significant difference in the actual performance of the test. The main drivers here, as we mentioned, scalability and cost on the both studies. And in terms of from an FDA perspective, we're in discussions with them on the appropriate bridging studies for the next version of the assay from the current version. And as we go later on, we'll have similar discussions with the NHS if they want to move forward in the full scale deployment. Speaker 700:17:48Great. Appreciate the time. Operator00:17:52Our last question comes from Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:17:58Hi, guys. This is Mackenzie on for Vijay. Just another question on Operator00:18:00cash burn. How should we be Speaker 400:18:01thinking about phasing of that look at the Speaker 200:18:15Aaron, you want to take that one? Speaker 300:18:17Yes. Great question. So we'd expect cash burn to decrease in subsequent years as we continue to grow revenues and investments in some of the programs that we've been talking about, getting to PMA submission, getting to the next version of the test roll off. Speaker 400:18:37Okay, great. That's helpful. And then I know you talked about in the new version of Gallery, this is supposed to reduce your COGS, but it sounds like it's going to take a little bit of time for that to ramp. So how should we be thinking about how long that ramp to sort of a normalized COGS run rate will take? And and what can we expect on the margin front there? Speaker 300:18:58Yes. So hard to predict right now from a timing perspective. But it's going to be a there'll be an impact to begin with on the variable front. Part of the main driver for that program was to bring down the cost of the test and then increase the throughput. So there'll be some pickup to begin with, but we won't realize the entire benefits of that test, of the cost of that test until we get into significantly more volume than we're at today. Speaker 300:19:29That's something as we transition to that test at the end of this year, run it for the following quarters, we'll be able to give more line of sight to that. Speaker 400:19:40Got it. Thank you. There are Operator00:19:45no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to GRAIL for closing remarks. Speaker 600:19:50I want to thank everyone for joining today's call. Operator00:19:57Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the call. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by