B&M European Value Retail H1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 14, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

morning, guys. Thank you for coming. Good afternoon, Asia and really good afternoon, America. I think we have, so you guys know, 140 people on the line, okay? So thank you for coming.

Operator

So let me a few introductions before we kick off. I think most of you have already met Gareth Bilton. He will introduce himself in a minute. Incoming Trading Director, he has a big job ahead of him and he is going to do fantastic. So let's wait for Gareth.

Operator

James Q, Retail Director, enrolled since July? Yes. So Gareth is no longer in retail since the summer. James is running the shops. How many years have been there, James?

Speaker 1

Nearly 14 years now.

Operator

Now. Nearly 14 years. So this job is running an operation which has 32,000 people?

Speaker 1

Yes.

Operator

Roughly. So very a lot of continuity, James, used to work for Gareth. So it's been a nice transition. Everybody knows Mike. Some of you have already met once before Leslie Buchanan.

Operator

Leslie, how many years in the business?

Speaker 2

Over the time.

Operator

10 years. Leslie is a senior buyer in home, key category for us. And this is Biani D. I'm not going to pronounce the D because I will embarrass myself. Biani is now the Trading Director in France.

Operator

Executive Director reporting to Anthony the MD. How do you pronounce the last name, Biani?

Speaker 3

Delaunay Cours. Just for the record.

Operator

I'm not going to embarrass myself on that one actually. My French is too basic for that. So you will hear from the team today. So today, I'll really anchor the conversation on 2 fundamental points, which I will keep coming back. EDLP, volume and how we continue to drive prices down.

Operator

It's a continuous process of price deflation year in, year out. You can call it deflation, disinflation, but we're in the business of driving volume through ADLP to continue to give every quarter customers the lowest price, yes? And that's basically the equation. And the second piece, which hopefully comes to life for me, in over 2 years running the business, this is a team effort. And in every results, you are always going to meet part of the senior team.

Operator

And actually, it's all come in. Hello. Please come in. Thank you, Arthur.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

I thought English time was accurate in the good old days. Sorry for that. And it's all around the B and M culture. Yes, it's a very distinct culture. We do things in a very entrepreneurial different way and hopefully it actually comes to life with the guys.

Operator

Okay. So EDLP, volume, continued price reductions. So let me kick us off. I will just highlight a couple of numbers. Half 1, group adjusted EBITDA GBP 274 1,000,000 which is 2% up in the year.

Operator

That shows a high degree of discipline in the business on how we buy, how we sell and how we control the cost lines. Interim dividend 5.3p, 3.9 percent up for the half. And Mike is going to give you some color of actually our dividend payout which is stronger. Anchoring on those two numbers, let me talk the first two bullet points combined what we've done on volume. If you remember what we said at the end of Q1, even before that, by the time we had in June the full year results, I said I detect significant weakness in the market in general and merchandise.

Operator

And I said we had bought in advance to basically take volume market share in general merchandise against the broad competition on what I sense and see as a weakness. You can see it in some of the competitor numbers. You've seen Homebase as an example yesterday. It's a broad market, okay? So we set up Q2 to gain volume market share in general merch.

Operator

So let me just give you an example. What is the main category in home? It's a broad cooking, dine, textiles. It's a very broad area, which is instrumental and the number one category in general merch. Don't take the numbers literally to the decimal, but let me give you the sense of actually the volume we have driven.

Operator

This is just in Q2, okay? Total sales in home roughly grew up in Q2 by £10. And the volumes, units that we drew in Q2 in home is roughly 20%. 10% nominal sales growth total in home and 20% volume in home in the quarter. You've seen the shops EDV everyday value, We've been buying purposefully for 1 year ago, bringing that price point in an organized way to drive that volume, okay?

Operator

And I am pleased to say that general merchandise performed exceptionally well in Q2. Units, pounds and nominal. If you look at it from a broader point of view, roughly if you look at the last 5 years, this business has grown the top line, let's say, rounded up plus 40%. You've seen it in the RNS and I'm going to reiterate it here. Our number of containers over the same period coming in general merch from China is up 40%.

Operator

Top line of the business 40% over 5 years, containers, physical volume and that's tens of thousands of containers up 40%. Don't get distracted because there is mix. There is always a bit of mix change in those containers. But what that tells you is that over 5 years, the inflation in general merchandise cumulatively is nil 0, 0. This is a business that buys and trades in volume.

Operator

We are not in the business of driving or selling inflation. You've seen it on a cumulatively basis over 5 years. There is no inflation in your own merch. You see it in home in Q2. The level of units and volume throughput is twice the nominal pounds coming into the business.

Operator

And the way to think about it is actually quite simple. If you take home, we've grown 20% of units in Q2. I can tell you categorically we're gaining market share. And you see that in the bottom line. So that's kind of the first point I wanted to anchor.

Operator

You will hear from the team how that comes to life. I might feel a bit of Gareth input in here, but just to give you a sense. FMCG, Gareth is going to talk about FMCG in more detail. Current year inflation in FMCG, 0. In fact, it's even marginally negative deliberately.

Operator

So we're in the business of selling EDLP. We don't do high low. We drive volume and units and that is a virtuous circle of B and M. Volume and we're in the business of bringing prices down in an orderly manner to give customers the best value proposition we can in the business we operate. Okay.

Operator

I will jump to the one before last, very smooth transition team. Since I became CEO, I've been running succession in every function. You have Mike as CFO. France is a very strong stable team. Logistics, you've met John Parry and Sharon in Bedford.

Operator

Retail, James is in this role not because of accident. This is probably the guy I spend most of my time in shops, James. That might be a bad thing for him, but we cannot enjoy it. So all of this has been planned for a number of years. And Gareth is absolutely the right person to take over from Bobby, who is retiring in March, current year.

Operator

All of this is planned. Very smooth succession and you can work on the assumption that the transition is largely completed. So Bobby stays in here until March and then he's going to help us on an advisory basis for a number of months on a non exec capacity actually at Garrett need or help on a needs basis. Okay. Think about over 6 months or so consultancy in FY 2026.

Operator

Full year $620,000,000 to $660,000,000 That's a range. And you guys know me by now, I don't shoot at the bottom end. You can read what you think is appropriate on that statement. Full year EBITDA $620,000,000 to $660,000,000 compared to a 53 weeks last year of 6 to 9 and a meaningful 52 weeks of $616,000,000 Okay. That's basically setting the scene.

Operator

You guys can go through slides later. The pipeline in the UK is performing very well. You know we're going to open 45 shops current year. They're in good nick, highly disciplined and they are performing actually quite nicely. So we're going to open the 45 shops, current year at BNM UK, we said.

Operator

The foundation for growth in France are in place. I'm happy how France is performing. I've spent the last year and a half with the team putting a lot of the back end to make sure we can continue to grow the business constantly. And you can assume that I'm going to open a higher number of stores next year than the 11, which I will open this year. So this year France will open 11 and it will be higher next year.

Speaker 3

Yes,

Operator

orderly B and M way. You know that we have returned $1,900,000,000 of cash since 2020 to shareholders. This is a highly disciplined business that grows the bottom line and returns cash to shareholders. And I am pleased to formally put on the RNS that share buybacks are underway. We're doing the internal work, it's already in progress.

Operator

It's not a comment. It's formal. So we will continue to return cash to shareholders every year in the appropriate optimal way, okay? And when we have all of this in place, we'll update you basically how we're going to do it. Simple terms, we will redomicile Lux into a different location, but we continue in the LSC as a normal business.

Operator

So share buybacks are coming. Okay? Couple of key points on these slides before I hand it over to Mike. The sales densities of this business are structurally higher than pre pandemic. You can see it in the top of the chart.

Operator

Those sales densities have no inflation, it's volume. You've heard me in general merchandise. We've delivered through this period 40% increase in containers coming from China, which matches the top line. So those blue bars have no inflation. We're not in the business of driving inflation.

Operator

EDLP is designed to lower prices and offer our customers the best price every year. And our growth in stores is highly disciplined. You've heard me before, we went for 51 Wilco shops. We didn't go for 53. I could have chosen 220.

Operator

So the returns and the cash generation of this incremental CapEx is highly productive and Mike is going to bring that to life. So that discipline in volume that translates into the bottom line and the discipline on how we deploy new capital, which delivers best in class in this market return on capital is at the bedrock of the business. Next slide. Our rate is the same. From pre pandemic, the top line of this business has grown by 40%.

Operator

Our volumes in general merchandise have grown by 40%. There is no inflation, and we continue to drive prices for the customer. The reason why that is important is because EDLP volume, structurally higher cell densities or revenue growth is underpinned by units of volume per box. There is no inflation in this box. And the lack of inflation allows us to buy more quantities, sell them at low prices, which are winning prices in the market and does the virtuous circle of retail.

Operator

It's really important that I emphasize this message. We are not in the business of driving inflation guys. It's all around volume. Mike, to you.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Alex. So good to see you all. Thank you for joining us. So we're going to begin with a short overview of our P and L. So group revenues for the 1st 26 weeks were £2,644,000,000 which is 3.7% up

Operator

on last year.

Speaker 4

Driven by the sales growth, adjusted EBITDA before IFRS 16 grew by 2%, up to £274,000,000 which meant our earnings margin, as you can see, was broadly flat at 10.4%. So given the trading environment and the strength of the prior year first half comparator, which was a record financial year, of course, the progress in adjusted EBITDA really does show the resilience of our business model and our growth strategy in driving value for our stakeholders. Further down the P and L, our adjusted diluted EPS stepped back to 14.7p, which is linked to the higher interest charges on our borrowings and also the larger asset base from our store opening program. Moving on to our balance sheet metrics at the bottom of the page. Our net debt ratio stands at 1.2x, which is comfortably in the lower half of our 1x to 1.5x target operating range.

Speaker 4

And including IFRS 16 liabilities, the ratio is 2.5x, again, a resilient position. So looking at our revenue performance in more detail. Firstly, our like for like sales of negative 3.6 percent reflected

Operator

the weather in

Speaker 4

the early part of the springsummer season, the overall consumer environment, but of course, as Alex has already touched on, the trading strategy that we adopt. As Alex has outlined, our trading approach remains to offer customers the lowest prices possible and to drive our profit generation through volume growth. Importantly, the business has been gaining volume momentum across the half, We're particularly pleased with the general merchandise progress that Alex has touched on as we enter the key Golden Quarter period. Secondly, as we outlined in the full year, we've got multiple growth drivers. UK new stores primarily drove the revenue growth in the period, as you can see, but we also have a contribution positive contribution coming through from both France and Air in there.

Speaker 4

So overall, total revenue growth was 3.7%, underpinned by increases in sales volumes with performance strengthening across the period. Moving on to gross margin. The biggest driver was a 66 basis point step on in our U. K. Trading margin.

Speaker 4

This was driven by a favorable mix underpinned by the volumes being driven, beneficial FX rates and again disciplined approach to the limited markdowns that we implemented. Our operations in France and Heron Foods have also shown robust margins. And I'd particularly call out that I'm pleased with our clean springsummer stock exit position because this sets us up well for the next trading year where we know we'll be buying at a comparatively more favorable FX rate year on year. Slide 12. Our adjusted EBITDA increased by 2%.

Speaker 4

That's driven by volume led sales growth across all segments. And as I said at the start, that is 2% growth on a strong first half of a record financial year. B and M UK's EBITDA margin has remained broadly stable despite absorbing the preopening costs for 30 new stores opened in the half and also, of course, the significant increases in hourly wages. France's underlying EBITDA margin is up. However, the reported margin you can see on the screen shows a dip due to the one off costs of a new warehouse management system transition that is now successfully completed.

Speaker 4

Heron Foods continues to report a very healthy 6.7% EBITDA margin. And so as we look at the group result, we see it as all three businesses contributing well to the overall profit performance. Looking at our operating costs. The adjusted costs have increased in nominal terms, primarily due to the expansion of our store estate across the three phases. The most significant increases in U.

Speaker 4

K. Operating costs this year have been driven by the national living wage rate, which rose by nearly 10% for the 2nd consecutive year. And we have a robust approach of using our higher volumes to offset those increases through enhanced productivity. You can see the mitigation has already been significant. And indeed, we estimate that with a flat like for like position in the first half, we would have achieved a stable operating cost margin there in the U.

Speaker 4

K. Our cost base, however, is significantly variable and controllable, which has also helped us maintain our margins during this period. We consistently drive the cost discipline across all our businesses. However, this cost discipline is implemented in a way that protects the integrity of our operating standards, something that James no doubt will touch on. If you visited any one of our stores on any day of the trading period, be it the first, the last or a day in the middle, I think you would find that the operational standards remain the same throughout.

Speaker 4

And protecting our standards and maintaining our cost margin advantage in the industry is critical to our business model. And as we look at upcoming cost pressures, both our targets and our mitigation approach will be no different. So I mentioned the disciplined focus we keep on our financial returns, and I thought it's useful at this stage to update you all on the latest performance of our store opening program. Before today, we most recently updated on a cohort of new store openings through to the end of March 2022. So here, I update that on the 18 months of openings that have followed since that last update given to the market.

Speaker 4

This is a group of 35 stores. It took a required total investment of £50,000,000 to get those open. That is CapEx, of course, fitting out the stores, but it's also the preopening OpEx and it is also the working capital that we include within the financial returns metrics we adopt. So that's the stock on the shelves. Those stores generated last 12 months revenues of GBP 257,000,000 and the contribution including a full allocation of costs be it central costs, be it distribution costs, the profit contribution was GBP 50,000,000 So that is a GBP 50,000,000 profit return on GBP 50,000,000 of investment.

Speaker 4

That is a fully loaded payback of 12 months. On a cash on cash basis, of course, with rent incentives that will typically be available, it is even more rapid. And if you look at where those stores were opened on the map, you can see that there are balanced groups spread across the country and actually spread across the type of stores that we're opening, just showing how well each format within our model works. So moving on to the cash flow. Our post tax free cash flow for the first half was £73,000,000 down from £143,000,000 in the same period in the prior year.

Speaker 4

Two things that drove that change in performance: Firstly, increase in working capital secondly, higher capital expenditure in year on year. I see both of those factors as timing effects. Across the full year, we expect a similar number of store openings as we saw in the financial year 2024, so that's around 45. And so that CapEx number across the full year for new stores will balance out. And then on the working capital side, the working capital investment in the first half has been higher this year because of the earlier shipping of autumn and winter stock.

Speaker 4

And again, we expect to sell that through and end the year with a year on year stock position that only reflects the additional new stores that we're operating. So given the ongoing underlying profit and cash generation progress of the business, the rapid payback of our CapEx spends, we're declaring an increased 5.3p per share interim dividend, up from 5.1p in the prior year. That reflects an updated post IFRS 16 dividend policy where we will aim to pay out a stable or growing ordinary dividend that is near the midpoint of a range of 40% to 50% of post tax earnings. And it really is the resilience of our cash generation and earnings progress that gives us confidence in declaring that increased range. So finally, before I hand back to Alex, it's just worth reiterating what we see as critical in the business from a finance perspective.

Speaker 4

I think the first piece is around the discipline we have in driving profitable and sustainable growth. For us, that means growth is volume led coming from both like for likes and from new stores. Secondly, we see the long term potential for total growth is significant. The returns from our new stores is highly attractive. And attached to that growth focus is a relentless control of our operating costs to retain our customer value proposition and to retain our margins for shareholders as well.

Speaker 4

We have cash discipline. We keep our stock buys tight. We exit each season clean. We maintain our capital light investment base. We're going to carry on operating with a robust balance sheet.

Speaker 4

And together, that means we're going to continue to grow our profits and our cash returns to shareholders. Alex?

Operator

Thank you, Mike. This will take me 5 seconds. This is a team effort. This is already on the website. You've already met John.

Operator

Susie Williams, hands up. Susie is our Group IT Director. How many years in the business, Susie, already?

Speaker 1

Before January.

Operator

IT Systems in this business transformed. Thank you for the hard work, Susie. Pete Warrahas, Group Financial Controller, He stood up with me when I took over. You already know Pete and he's a fantastic team actually, a broad set of skills with depth in each function, okay? And you will hear from Susi.

Operator

We're going to invite Susie to talk about IT in May, John. All right, no pressure. Gareth?

Speaker 5

Thanks, Alex. Good morning. So if you allow me a couple of minutes just to indulge, because I still stood here and talked to most of you before. But usually I stand and talk to you with James Hatton as the Retail Director. So it's different for me to stand and talk about to you as the Trading Director.

Speaker 5

But I guess what a couple of things I wanted to say before I get into the detail is, 26 years in the business, and I've seen the business through lots of different lenses over the years. And to be stood here as the incoming trading director is a real privilege for me. I've seen the business grow from 7 stores on our 1st June. So to be the incoming trading director at this level is a real privilege for me. I'm actually pretty lucky to inherit such an exceptionally strong foundation in that trading function.

Speaker 5

I've got some brilliant buyers, experienced buyers that really know our market well. And I'm really looking forward to building on that foundation and taking the business forward. So I guess, buzzing is probably the phrase you would describe for me for the last few months and the years ahead. So I'm going to share some headlines with you from our function. I'm going to enlist the help of Leslie and Vianney to talk about some detail.

Speaker 5

But I'm going to talk to you about price specifically because fundamental to our business and measuring price is key to us. So we know where we're at and measuring price actually in FMCG and against general merchandise is 2 completely different animals. And I'll talk to you about the difference going forward. But I'll talk to you about FMCG first. So you can see the slide behind me.

Speaker 5

But the first point I'd make is we are religious and obsessive about measuring price in FMCG. We have a weekly rhythm that probably John White, who is our grocery trading controller, would say is that the highlight of his is weak and the bane of his life both at the same time because that index can drive lots of emotion, good and bad. But basically, I'll talk to you about the how we do it and a bit about the why we do it. And how we do it is we religiously measure a broad basket on a weekly basis across the 4 big malts and the appropriate discounts. And then we index that price on a like for like comparison product wise, gram for gram, pound for pound, and we index it.

Speaker 5

And you can see from the slide that our index against those that competition is anywhere between 120127. And it's important to point out that that index is pre loyalty schemes because we don't do loyalty schemes. We leave apps and complexity to others. We prefer an everyday low price model as Alex has talked about and keep it as simple as we can. That said, we can't ignore the impacts of the loyalty scheme.

Speaker 5

You take the competitive loyalty schemes, they make a big difference to their price. So we do measure against that loyalty scheme impact. And even when you take that loyalty scheme impact into account, across that same broad basket, the index is still between 115 and 120, best case to worst case. So we take massive confidence from that, that our price in FMCG on a like for like comparison against the same products gram for gram, we are worst case when you take into loyalty schemes 15% to 20% different and pre loyalty the index is 120% to 127%. So and we audit that and we document it and we're really comfortable with that.

Speaker 5

And Alex has already made a point, but it's important to stress at this point that in our grocery pricing model currently there's 0 inflation, slightly backwards as Alex said. In terms of the how as well and the why, the way we're able to achieve it is, I guess, discipline is the word that I would use. Discipline in EDLP, discipline in SKU count, managing that SKU count and staying as a limited SKU count retailer is really important because what that allows us to do is it allows us to buy in volume. So we constantly review the range, we chop out the tail. If we can't generate volume in a product, then we would rather drop out of the products than not be able to sustain volume or not be able to be competitive.

Speaker 5

And to bring that to life, if you take the beers, wines and spirits category, for us to be competitive in any real way in beers, wines and spirits, we would have to engage in some deals, high low pricing, loss leaders, and it's not our game. So we stock it as a category. We've got a range that we consider appropriate for our customer, but it's never a category that we're going to push to try to be market leading and because we would have to move away from our core strategy and pricing to do that. So that's an example of how we do it. In the EDLP philosophy, you shouldn't confuse that with a reluctance from us to engage with our brand partners to drive promotions, because clearly we do that.

Speaker 5

We've got strong brand partnerships, but we will enter promotions from a planned and organized and cyclical basis. And the main reason for that is it enables us to drive volume, it enables us to pass on more value to our customers and it drives something new and exciting to the customer, which keeps that FMCG piece rolling. So if I move on to general merchandise, it's more difficult to index price in general merchandise for a number of reasons. 1, comparing like for like products is difficult quite often. So if you take a throw in household textiles, for example, you compare our throw to a Donato or a Home Bargainso or a Tesco, There may be a different size, there may be a different weight, there may be a different thread count.

Speaker 5

It's very different and very difficult to get an exact match. So we index it best we can. That doesn't mean we are any less relentless about benchmarking that price gap. Leslie and her team in home are all over that. And we have to benchmark it because there's a couple of important things to mention about general merchandise as well.

Speaker 5

The difference in quality or size may not be immediately obvious to the customer. And in fact, in some general merchandise categories, that difference in quality might not even be relevant to that customer. If you take a dustpan and brush, for example, I don't think anybody cares too much whether one brand's dustpan and brush has got a heavier plastic weight or a different bristle count in the brush. But I know that dustpan and brush has got to be fit for purpose and the right price because value and price perception in that market is much more important. So that's a bigger focus for us as price as well.

Speaker 5

Our price gap in general merchandise, we are confident after all the benchmarking and measuring that we do is actually stronger in general merchandise than it is in FMCG. We're very comfortable with our price. We're very comfortable in our quality and we are very comfortable in our breadth of range because we think that gives us an edge over some of our competition. And I'm sure Leslie would argue, particularly over recent weeks, that SKU discipline in general merchandise is probably more important than it is in FMCG because generating volume in general merchandise is much more difficult than it is in FMCG. So constantly reviewing those ranges, reviewing that line detail of sales and profit at a line granular detail is fundamental.

Speaker 5

And we will very quickly exit lines from the tail so that we can focus on the volume lines. So we won't get involved messing around with products in general merchandise where we're selling 1 and 2 singles a month because that's not our game. Our game is volume, volume driving value, the value and the cost price upside we pass on to the customer. That's what we're in and that requires a relentless never ending cycle from Leslie and her team. What's consistent with FMCG, FMCG there was that EDLP is our start point in general merchandise.

Speaker 5

Alex talked about the everyday value event. And just to add some color to that, the everyday value event is an event that we planned to close the end of summer season sale. It was almost a new event. And we bought a range of products that was deliberately low priced, retail price. The quality was no different than the standard ranges, but we bought in volume.

Speaker 5

So it was non margin dilutive. We didn't mark down to that price. The margin was built into the cost price and the retails are reflected in the plan, and it generated incremental sales. It was a successful event for us and it helps us transition from 1 series to the next. All of those elements added together meant that we were able to generate exactly what we set out to do.

Speaker 5

We drove we offered fantastic value for money for our customers and strengthened our market share through the value proposition. So I'm going to pass you to Leslie and Beharne in a second to and we'll talk through some product detail. But before I do, just to hold on price for a second because it's a really important point. I think there's 3 points that I would want you to take away from the price. Firstly, value to our customers is always our start point.

Speaker 5

Driving value, getting the right price first time is important. We don't want to mark down to a price we buy good volume, healthy margins, but let us maintain that. And any upside in that volume buying process in the cost price, we are relentless and obsessed with passing that to the customer to drive the value message. That's the first thing I'll ask Jim to take away. The second thing is the volume is the key to unlocking value.

Speaker 5

The more we're able to ramp that volume up, the better cost price we get, the easier it is for us to unlock value and keep that ball rolling and generate value for our customer and continue to take market share. And the last thing is it's always EDLP. We don't do gimmicks. We don't do high lows. We won't ask you to download an app and scan it at the till to get 50p off one thing, which is hard work.

Speaker 5

It's a clear transparent pricing model for our customers that keeps it simple. Mike talked about operating costs and keeping it simple. All of these things are key to our process. They're part of our heritage and we have no intention in changing any of those things going forward. So thanks for listening to me about price.

Speaker 5

I'm going to pass you to Leslie and Vianney, who are going to talk about I'll put your slide on for your chaps. I'm going to talk to you about product and then I'll just come on at the end if that's okay to indulge myself further in a few minutes whilst I've got the chance. Leslie?

Speaker 2

Is that the slide the other way?

Operator

That's yours?

Speaker 3

That's

Speaker 2

mine. Okay. So over 10 years being here, but in the last 6 years, I've been heading up the home ware buying team. So I'm just going to put that color around kind of how we've been buying and what we're doing and what we're moving forward with. So I'm just going to pick up on the EDLP because from a product ranging perspective, that is always the starting point for us.

Speaker 2

So always the starting point of that EDLP. Now I think last time I talked about our Simply ranges. So our Simply ranges are our volume, value core ranges and they are ultimately the foundation of where we start. So that's the starting point. And that's where we start to layer on them the seasonal, the trend and the newness.

Speaker 2

So myself and the buyers and recently Gareth, we have been traveling 4, 5 times a year now. So since September, we've been in Tokyo, we've been in Chicago and we've been in China. And what we're doing out there is just looking for inspiration, what the new colors are, what's coming next, what's new, how can we tweak some of those lines that we've got in the ranges? Now I've brought some trend boards next to me here. So you can see alongside me these are where we've brought all the installation back.

Speaker 2

We've pulled everything together, brought it back to the UK and that's when we start to build the ranges. So trying to build commercial EDLP product into these fun ranges really, they're design led, they've got color, but equally completely commercial for our B and M customers. So these are 3 ranges here. They are seasonally relevant, so they're relevant to the season as in they fit with that time of year, but they are not weather dependent. So real core products at great prices, but a bit of fun.

Speaker 2

Now using our design team has been key because it gives us exclusivity. We've got products that are just exclusive to us and excited to share that we did win some awards this season. So the big Christmas press day, so and I've brought 3 things to show you. So the best award was this one. So this is a snow globe candle, £5 gorgeous fragrance, if you want to have a little sniff on the way out.

Speaker 2

Comes in 3 colors. And then we've got we won this for the gingerbread at Ben Calendar. So gingerbread, probably one of the biggest things going on at the moment. This comes already filled, but you can use the drawers, you can fill it with yourself. So innovation exclusive to us and designed by us.

Speaker 2

And then finally, I think this is my personal favorite, the movie night in. So £7 you get sweets, popcorn, the cooks put the drinks in, so perfect. And the most fun thing is the tray turns into a tray like you get in the cinema. So exciting and new things going on. Now we've been working through customer moments, so staying completely customer focused obviously is key.

Speaker 2

We recognize our customers have got really busy lives. There's so much going on and we want to take them through the year, through the season. So whether that's spring clean, whether it's the kids going back to school, all the kids going to uni, so much going on and we want to be there for them. What that then allows us to do is bring those events into the stores. It allows us to create a bit of fun in the seasonal space.

Speaker 2

James' team landed for us. And then the most exciting thing is how we get that through social media. So we're super passionate about our social media at the moment. Our buyers absolutely love it. We've TikTok, Instagram, any platform.

Speaker 2

What's fascinating and what is really exciting about social for us is we get so much user generated content. So and what I mean by that is there are so many wannabe influencers out there that they love shopping at B&M, they buy and then they love showing their haul. So everybody wants to like, everybody wants to share. And what that gives us is a lot of content then for us to share with our new customers and equally our existing customers to come in and buy. Now to do all of that, we've got to stay really close to our sourcing.

Speaker 2

And we have some great factories in China, direct sources, but we also have our Hong Kong office as well. So our buyers have such a range and a scope of getting the best cost prices, the best quality, finding the best new product. And that is all done through the traveling and through the trips. Now we're going to do something a bit different this year with Gareth. We'll be signing off our Christmas ranges in the UK.

Speaker 2

And then what we're doing is we'll travel and we'll go into Hong Kong and we will invite our biggest volume factories to come and sit face to face. We'll talk through the quantities we're buying, how much what the product is going to look like, what color it is, what fragrance you want in it. Everything will be done, sat there in that room. So we know we're walking away with the best cost price, the best quality and the best product that we can put into our range. At the same time, leveraging that buying power.

Speaker 2

So with Vianney and his team and on a much smaller scale, Heron, where they will play into some of our events, we will add their volume into ours and that buy so the buying power just becomes really, really impressive for us and then we can drive those cost prices down. And the last thing Gareth already touched on, but SKU discipline, it's very much what keeps our business simple. The granular detail and the level that we will go down to, I think a recent conversation on the bioflowers toilet bushes. So how many toilet bushes are in the range, right? We've got to cut the tail.

Speaker 2

These are the best. These are the volume ones. That's what we keep driving. Take the tail away and we layer the new lines in. So I'm really happy with the progress that we've made on home, but also super excited about what else we can do with it and moving forward with Gareth, bringing those new products again, traveling and keeping the newness flowing, exciting for our customers.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Leslie.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Steve. Yes.

Speaker 5

So it was about France

Speaker 3

U. K. Synergy? Well, so I'm the French trading director. I have more than 15 years of experience in retail business for an international group.

Speaker 3

I worked 6 years in China. I think we for most of you, we met last year. What I can tell you is that B and M culture is so disruptive in France. We talk about discipline. We talk about simplicity.

Speaker 3

And I can tell you that even also in France, we say, sanity, not vanity. And this is very important in our business model. So to make sure that B and M France is not disturbing the UK business, we I mean, Garrett, Leslie and I, we have defined some points of synergies that will drive a mutual growth. So let's go through the three points. So the first one is by operating in 2 different countries, B and M can tap into a broader customer pool sorry, broader pool of consumer insights.

Speaker 3

So that means we can take benefits of the 2 markets. So that's the first point. 2nd, as Leslie mentioned, our teams are traveling together. We go to Europe, we go to China altogether. We have also joined sign off on product ranges that make it more simple the process of buying.

Speaker 3

It's reduced complexity and also we leverage the UK private label portfolio. This is very important. In France, we don't invent any new brands. We take benefits of UK private label. That means we have a consistent brand image of B and M whether you are in France or in UK.

Speaker 3

Last, and this is my favorite topic, I'm passionate about sourcing. So direct sourcing, and I spent years in China visiting factories, this provides a really, really strong competitive edge in the market. When you direct sourcing, you can have a better cost efficiency, you can have supply chain control. Well, in simple words, sorry, we choose a product we want. There is no middlemen between, which is sometimes the case for direct competitor.

Speaker 3

There is a middlemen, yes, but we do buy direct at B and M. And also, what is very important is that we pull the stock when we need it. And we just mentioned that our business is driven by volume, and it's very important to pull the stock when we need it. So we consolidate orders together, and we have a fantastic office in Hong Kong, and this is our share window to grow the business altogether. So to make it simple, we buy together in volume, and we localize what is needed, either for price point reason, because we do have price points with different price points in France or for any specific needs for the French market.

Speaker 3

So I think you can understand that France is successful. We have a double digit growth in transaction. We have a double digit growth in sales volume. And on the top of that, we have now more than 3,000 SKU in FMCG, which can drive footfall for the business. So B and M France is now a scalable business, and later on, Alex will talk about all the investment we did.

Speaker 3

And well, and from my side, I'm very I'm looking forward to also to go to U. S. With James and Alex to meet a few investors in person end of mid France. Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you, Vianney.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Vianney. So just before I sit down, as I said, whilst I've got the podium in a new rollout that takes a couple of minutes, I'm repeating myself. I've been in the business forever and I've seen it through lots of different lenses. So for me to be able to move forward, I am beyond excited about this new role. And because I've been in the business forever, the buying team that we've got, I know most of them already from previous roles.

Speaker 5

So that transition has been smooth. And being able to have that relationship with them from the start, it's enabled the transition and enables us to get some traction quickly. Going forward, buying decisions will sit with me. We're already locked down for springsummer 2025. Volume, value and customer are at the root of those ranging decisions.

Speaker 5

We're just about finalizing autumn, winter 2025 and those same FY 2020.

Operator

Yes, yes,

Speaker 5

well, back in FY 2020 6, autumn, winter 2025. At the back, we're just about ready to sign those off and volume, value and customer will sit at the root of those ranging decisions as well. We've been to Hong Kong and China a couple of times already. Relationships with China are strong as ever. It's a good transition there.

Speaker 5

We are actually we're in January 2026 buying mode. We are Christmas this year is yesterday for us. We're already moving down that road and we're making good progress. We're in a good place to move forward and I'm really excited about pushing it on. So thanks for listening to me.

Speaker 5

I'm going to pass you over to James who's going to talk about store standards and retail.

Speaker 4

James, you have to say all

Operator

the time that Gary, Leslie and Vianney have used.

Speaker 5

Sorry, no problem.

Speaker 1

Morning. So as Alex touched on at the beginning of the session, I've been with the business 14 years now. I started way back then as a store manager and operated around 10 different stores and opened several new stores in the south of the country. I then went on to do roles as area manager and sort of retail operations. And my most recent role was Retail Operations Director, where I clearly worked closely with Gareth over a number of years and a lot of the projects that we obviously did in stores.

Speaker 1

The key one being, I suppose, the transformation of our store standards that we've seen in the past few years. If I look back even further than that when I joined the business 14 years ago, there's a significant difference in our store standards. So for me, there's no change to that. We prioritize our store standards. It's what our customers deserve.

Speaker 1

It's what our colleagues deserve. And we continue to push on and build those store standards. We're currently running 8 out of 10. You've seen it in the pack. We can push it further than that.

Speaker 1

There's a limit of where we need to go, but we've absolutely got more opportunity to push it further. I spend my whole week in stores, quite a lot of time with Alex on a Sunday down to London, straight up to Liverpool. And also It's

Operator

a long day. It is a

Speaker 1

very long day. And it also involves around 30,000 WhatsApps a day is what I'm currently receiving. So Susie, our IT director, goes through a few phones to me through the year as I fill up the storage. Additionally, I have a separate team outside of my retail field team that now complete 3.50 visits per week. It's a great tool for me because it gives me a real non biased view of my estate every 3 weeks.

Speaker 1

And also, we use it for multiple other elements as well. We get validation of completion of activity. We can use it for a number of things. So we are running 8 out of 10, 350 visits per week, 20,000 WhatsApps. And the main measure the guys are looking for when they're doing these visits is, is it available?

Speaker 1

So every shelf, every day, every shop. Is the store clean? And is the store well priced? They're really simple measures, but that's what we're great at. We keep it simple in stores so that the stores can crack on for trade in their shops.

Speaker 1

So really pleased where standards are currently. The link between retail buying and logistics, I would say, is stronger than ever, and that is really enabling us to land events quicker, more efficiently and at a much lower cost. And this is an example of something we landed this year, EV, where it's all SRP. The store managers loved it, straight on the shelf, easy to implement and easy to move around. So one thing we have introduced is a bit more of a disciplined approach to our secondary space.

Speaker 1

So store managers join our business because they love the autonomy in our stores of being able to trade the shops. But at the same time, we know that our best selling lines are a big percentage of our business. So we put a little bit more discipline for the stores around what they should do with these lines so we can hold the volume in every single shop every week. So that's been a bit of a change. As a store manager, I think you still have a good level of autonomy in your store and you feel you can trade it because that's something we can never lose.

Speaker 1

And when we have store managers join us from competitors or other businesses, quite often, that's why they love joining B and M because it feels like a bit of old school retailing where they can actually trade the shop. And I think my final point, I suppose, is that everything I'm saying, how do I know that it's actually making a difference to our stores and to our colleagues? Well, we're now in our 3rd successive year of a 500 bit reduction on our labor turnover. So 3 years in a row, we've seen that, which is clearly helping me to build a more robust succession plan as we look to open more stores and need more senior management to run these shops. So all in all, we keep it very similar to what we've done in retail.

Speaker 1

It works. I was very lucky to inherit it from Gareth, and obviously, we've done a lot of work for a number of years. We look at standards. We keep availability strong every day. We clean our shops and we price our shops.

Speaker 1

And I've got no doubt now that we're in a great position with some of the new things Gareth will want to do in terms of activity. We'll be able to land them really quick, let's say, at a low cost for our customer to ensure that the product is on the shelf as quick as possible.

Operator

Thank you, James. Okay. I'll pass back to you. I will be very quick, so we can open up to questions and hopefully Dave we can allow an extra 15 minutes or so just to make sure we cover any questions. 20 seconds, that gives you an idea all the store was open last financial year and year to date, highly disciplined.

Operator

Mike has already covered the detail. Every single store we open earns its return. It's highly targeted. We choose a place where we open them. I'm very happy with this pipeline.

Operator

Capacity, we are already on contract. We are going to open rather than calling it a DC, I will call it an import center, Ellesmere Port, it's a big animal, 674,000 square feet, open second half next year. And I'm going to put this in writing and in statement. We only open a DC because we have the volume. Only a mad person would open 674,000 feet if we didn't have the volume.

Operator

Good deal, work in progress, sign, we're building it, fitting it out. It's not a bill. This is not a bid for guys of worry. This is a lease, no dramas, it's low cost, it's all designed to keep pumping that volume on general merch. France, WMS implemented.

Operator

We're already extending the DC, comes into line next year. We're going to be easily adding 60% DC capacity in France going large by the second half. Again, why do we do that? Because we're growing volume, okay? France, the business is trading well.

Operator

We're going to grow the business. I'm very happy with the French senior team. Vianney is a good example. We continue to grow that business with discipline. Heron, it's a great small business.

Operator

We cross fertilize. We learn where it's appropriate. I never talk too much about Heron, but there is not much to say. It's a nicely run business as part of the portfolio that keeps growing with discipline. I'll close with a couple of key messages.

Operator

We're going to trade well. We're going to trade with volume share in Golden Quarter. The stores and the range and the pricing is well set up. The team will deliver between $620,000,000 $660,000,000 current year EBITDA. I never pitch at the low end.

Operator

So you take your own judgment on that and share repurchases are underway. The work is now advanced and when I am ready to update you in the New Year, I will do that, But it's a formal commitment and statement. Open to questions, Dave. Okay. We'll

Speaker 4

go to online first of all, Alex. So we've got one here from Christian. How are price gaps versus the 2 out of the big four, Tesco and Sainsbury's? Are they stable over time or have they diminished?

Operator

I think we've answered that in writing. Garrett has already got into the detail. It's stable and it's in the chart. After this count against the big four, we are as high as 20%, never below 15%. And you're going to assume that the most expensive of the 4, it's at 20%.

Operator

So it's very stable and steady. I think Gareth has answered the question in detail.

Speaker 4

So no big variation from Tesco and Sainsbury's. Correct. 2nd, do buybacks mean you are unlikely to pay special dividends?

Operator

No, we haven't made basically the decision on how we distribute it. That's our recommendation that will come from the CFO at the right time. What we will is continue to distribute excess cash. We generate a lot of cash. And when we are ready to go, Mike will be updating the market how and when we do it.

Operator

Cash will be continued to be distributed. We will optimize it in the right way.

Speaker 4

Okay. How difficult is it to redomicile and are there risks in achieving this?

Operator

No risks require the right leadership, which we have in the business and the work is underway.

Speaker 4

Okay. We'll go to questions in the room. James Anstead first. We'll work from the back half. James

Speaker 6

Anstead from Barclays. Two questions. One, you're very clear, you wouldn't give a current trading update with the first half or full year numbers. But you do make a comment that you're expecting trading momentum to continue to improve in the first half. So I just wonder, can we deduce from that that like for likes are back in positive territory so far in the Q3?

Speaker 6

Any color on that?

Operator

We don't comment on per quarter. It's in writing. We're going to trade with volume momentum. And there is a reason why we don't comment. Dave said that very clearly, you guys will have a good update in January.

Operator

We're going to trade and we will deliver volume market share momentum.

Speaker 5

But just so I understand

Speaker 6

the comment correctly, you're saying that trading momentum has improved from the first half?

Operator

Well, trading momentum has improved in Q2 versus Q1, and we will trade win momentum in Golden Quarter. Okay.

Speaker 6

And then just a clarification on the question about specials because clearly, it doesn't sound that domicile will be that issue

Speaker 1

will be sorted out by

Speaker 6

the end of this financial year. But you already indicated that the ordinary dividend payout ratio is going to move up quite a bit. Just to measure our expectations correctly for January because you've been in a bit of a habit of doing special dividends after Christmas. Should we assume that this January there isn't?

Operator

No, there should be. There should be a special. And it's always subject to Golden Quarter when we trade well. Yes. We do it, absolutely.

Operator

Okay. So the increased dividend payout, Mike, doesn't have no impact on the extra cash distribution. Correct.

Speaker 4

So let's just trade the Golden Quarter. We always come out post the Golden Quarter when we've got the view on the full financial year. This is a highly cash generative business. I'm sure there'll be news to discuss once we finish the break.

Operator

The business as you

Speaker 5

know, James, as

Operator

Mike says, this business generates very high degree of cash and we'll not hold it. Richard, Chamberlain?

Speaker 7

Hi, Richard. Alex, Richard Chamberlain, RBC. 3 for me, please. You've mentioned that the seasonal impact on like for like was less in Q2, but I wondered if you could make an estimate of that. I think you said it was around 1.5 something like that in Q1.

Operator

What I can say about Q2, which we touched earlier, general merchandise volume and value performed very strongly. Okay. And then we set out to do, as you remember, on the back of Q1, particularly on the home areas.

Speaker 7

Sure. And then what will be the likely openings rate in Q3? I understand it's going to moderate, I think, but I wondered if that's going to have any impact on sort of like for like on existing stores because it might put less pressure on inventory, I guess, on the existing estate. We're going to open

Operator

45 for the year. If you look at the council websites from memory, James, we opened 34 already, 35, 34, 34, 34. We're over 35 now. We're going to open the 45 in a year. We never opened in December for obvious reasons.

Operator

We want to trade the shops. We'll open up to the end of November and then we'll resume. So basically the openings in Q4 will be pretty much done.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thanks. And then just a final one, probably for you Mike, would be the dollar sourcing tailwind or the FX tailwind that you're talking about for next year. Can you help us at all with that? Will that go some way to helping offset some of the UK labor and I cost headwinds, I guess?

Speaker 4

We don't comment specifically on what our FX rates will be. I can tell you that they'll be favorable. And I think we do see that benefit coming in, which will help us drive value for customers, 1st and foremost. And that will drive the volume, which will help us offset any inflationary pressures in the business. And I think as we look at the inflationary pressures, that of course will be there.

Speaker 4

We don't see those as being any different to the levels of inflationary pressures we've managed over many years now.

Operator

We manage them through volume, Richard. Okay.

Speaker 7

And presumably, you're already pretty well hedged, are you on the FX? Or you bought cover for

Speaker 4

So we buy cover ahead at least 9 months, no more than 15 months ahead. So we are well covered. It gives the buying teams, it gives Gareth and all of the buyers certainty as to the rates that they're going to be buying products at as and when they're signing off their ranges.

Speaker 7

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Warwick? We can give you the 2 questions. Sharav, guys, it's Cecile on time.

Speaker 5

I just got one. I see if Warwick O'Kane, BNP Paribas. Alex, you talked about the virtuous circle. Do you think that to make the fight, fly will work even harder and stronger, you need to invest in deflation in FMCG? You talked about flat.

Operator

No. Absolutely not. The price is rock solid. We're obsessive about the pricing. The pricing is sacrosanct.

Operator

The price perception and reality isn't changed. Why doesn't that price position move? Because when somebody tries to move, we move. It is sacrosanct. It's at the right level.

Operator

In some departments, we can all of course be a bit more aggressive than others. If we're 17% or 18%, let's say against 1 of the big four, it doesn't mean guys that in every SKU and every department. So we will that's a commercial decision. We do it on a quarterly basis. But now I'm comfortable with the plant's position.

Operator

Thank you, Orest. Isabelle, you

Speaker 7

go next.

Speaker 8

Hello. Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. It's Isabelle Dubreva from Morgan Stanley. So my first question is, you talked about the volumes and the strong price position and home sales being up 10%.

Speaker 8

So could you explain what else happened in the quarter, which meant that the like for like was down 2%, if all of the other components are in place? So why was the like if all of the other components are in place? So why was the like for like negative? That's my first question.

Operator

If I can answer the first question directly, which is reinforcing what I said earlier. The market, most of the competition have been riddled with inflation for a number of years. You have the peak on inflation 2 or 3 years ago. We've never inflated, so we're in the process of going ahead of market to continue to give price point to the customer. And the fact that we don't have any inflation on FMCG, in fact, this is slightly negative and we continue to drive for the customer the price point on general merchandise.

Operator

We're simply driving volume market share with a discipline on margin and the buy and we are driving that volume. And at some point, we will annualize the LFLs. Okay?

Speaker 8

Sorry, to be clear, just to follow-up on Morrick's question. So are you saying there is deflation in FMCG?

Operator

For sure.

Speaker 8

There is.

Operator

Disinflation. Correct. We are driving prices ahead of the market, which is what we do every year. And we choose in which departments we set out to do. So when we exited Q1, you heard me, the big opportunity was in Home 1.

Operator

There will be more to come in Golden Quarter and at the right time we'll update everybody. So the message I want to land on this point is the volume engine room of B and M is around low prices and never sell inflation, we sell volume. And the reason why we can put that price to the customer is because we're buying volume. So we don't rely on inflation. Okay.

Speaker 5

Thanks. And Alex, I'll just

Speaker 4

add that volume comes from total sales. I mean, there's this obsession with like for like. But don't forget, we've got a very good, very profitable new store opening program. And the beauty of a new store opening program is 100% of the sales from that are volume.

Operator

I'll just make one final point in here and then we can move on from this question. I would suggest LFL transactions every single quarter are well ahead of nominal LFLs, which tells me the health of the basket of the health of the footfall. You heard that last year, it was the same in Q1, it's the same in Q2. We are in here, Garrett has been clear, low prices, volume SKU discipline and we will never allow an inch of inflation in the business versus the market. Next question, Dave.

Speaker 8

Can I ask my second question? I had a question about the buybacks or the specials. So depending on which mix you choose, I'm interested in the total extra cash return level that you're thinking about. And my question is, is the free cash flow generation of the business the binding constraint? Or would you be willing to increase the leverage in order to maintain the special, whether that's in a dividend or a buyback form?

Operator

So we're jumping ahead

Speaker 4

to a situation where we have buybacks open to us, which is what we're working on currently. So I don't want to move too far ahead in terms of the guidance we're giving. However, cash generation, as you can see, is very strong each year. We've got a clearly stated leverage policy. We're not changing that.

Speaker 4

So it's 1 to 1.5 times as being the range of where we're operating the business within and targeting the midpoint of that range at this point

Operator

in time. Simple English is no change.

Speaker 4

There's no change, therefore. What we will be doing is optimizing the capital allocation between buyback It's

Operator

not how much we distribute, it's how and when. Next question, Dave.

Speaker 9

Good morning. Vincent Ryan here from Goodbody. Good morning. Two questions for me, please. Firstly, within the guidance range of the $620,000,000 to $660,000,000 appreciate you say you're not aiming for the bottom, but what are the puts and takes to bottom of the range versus the top of the range?

Speaker 9

And then secondly, just in the statement, I think there's a slight change in the statement around margins within France. Appreciate there is a you said there's incremental cost from the warehousing in H1, but is there

Operator

any change? Good question. So look, the range is well underpinned by our cost prices and price position. So margin are pretty comfortable. We have a full tank to trade at the right time with discipline as we always do.

Operator

The cost lines are well controlled. Let me trade the Golden Quarter. As I continue to do exactly what we did in Q2, which is volume throughput, I am comfortable with that range. Without getting into a numbers conversation, I think what I can tell you is that I don't need a high nominal LFL to be comfortable in the range, yes? So why is that?

Operator

Because the volume that is going through a system basically oils the whole machine, yes? Volume is very high. I can keep coming back to Ellis Mipore. I'm not opening 700,000 square feet because I'm pumping oxygen. And I get what I'm saying in between the lines, there's a lot of people pumping out oxygen.

Operator

So let me trade the volume, the stock availability is fantastic. It's on the shelf at the right time, we'll trade it. Yes, that's the first question. And on France basically to be able to continue to grow the business, we basically put the same warehouse management system as we put a few years back in the U. K.

Operator

All done implemented. If you guys have been in IT, there is no IT implementation, which is actually easygoing, is done, all correct and the business is going to trade strongly for the balance of the year. Okay?

Speaker 4

Hi, there. Thanks. Adam Tomlinson from Kepler.

Operator

Hi, Adam. How are you?

Speaker 10

Good. Thanks. Just first question is just on general merch. So you talked about homewares particularly. Can you just give a flavor of some of the development that's gone on in other categories and just how that's changed over the last year or 2 versus last Christmas?

Speaker 10

And the second question is just on pricing. You talked about the U. K. In comparison to the supermarkets. Can you just give a flavor again of how you're positioned in France as well?

Speaker 4

It would be great. Thanks.

Operator

Good question. I think what you will find if you get into the shops, our Christmas seasonal ranges, the pricing is really sharp, Adam. I think you got really in between the lines. We've planned that a year ago. This is not markdown.

Operator

This is not giving away margin. We've planned this for a year ago. So some of what you have seen in home probably you can see it as a customer in the shops. That will be a good example. And in terms of FMCG, as Rory Gas, I'm very cool with the price.

Operator

I won't let them move. France, Vianney, I think France is going to trade well, expect them to trade well. The guys will continue to drive volume. It's the same product really on general merch. And the FMCG as Bieni has said is over not just over 3,000 SKUs that runs a footfall.

Operator

And it's the same dynamic in France that you can expect I expect the team expects from the year. As the sales densities of France continue to converge to the UK, which is actually the objective, the driver of that LFL in France is fundamentally largely customer transaction. Yes. So I always expect the LFL on a yearly basis in France to be driven by full fledged.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 4

A couple more questions online. Why keep net debt? Why keep a net debt balance sheet? And what is the impact of the NI contribution and minimum wage increase on EBITDA?

Operator

If Mike answers the first, I'll answer the second one.

Speaker 4

So we keep a prudent level of net debt within the business because we think it helps drive returns for our shareholders. It's that simple. It's about having a robust balance sheet, but having capital discipline there. Alex?

Operator

NI, what I'm going to say about NI is the opposite of what some competitors have said. A discounter has an advantage cost base relative to higher cost based business and be able to absorb whatever they throw at us. That's what we do in B and M in running the business on an eDLC basis. What I can tell you categorically is that we are not going to drive inflation to pay for NI, because NI is a fairly insignificant number in a tank which is full. We'll continue to drive volume.

Operator

We'll continue to buy and source on an advantage basis and on the record is the business is not going to use inflation to pay for taxation.

Speaker 4

Okay. Any more questions?

Operator

Back to you, Alex. Apologies for the 15 or 20 minutes delay. I think it was important for me that you get to know the team. This is a team exercise. James is already up and running in shops.

Operator

He's enjoying it thoroughly. Gareth is going to be fantastic in this business. It's been a very well succession plan between Bobby and I. And I will be remiss if I don't say that Bobby has been a wonderful partner to work. I've always worked very closely with him and Bobby.

Operator

And actually he leaves when he retires in March, the business in very good hands. This was a joint decision. We knew the characters. We interviewed the right people. We got the best guy to the job.

Operator

So the team is well comfortable. There is depth on that bench. Okay. So read by what I'm saying is that this chap is already making all the decision for next financial year. And in terms of New York, Boston, Chicago, I think Dave, you and I will be flying to U.

Operator

S. To meet a few investors face to face. And this time, I've invited Gianni and James to come with us. So actually they can spend time with them. Thank you for your time.

Operator

Good to see you.

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