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Earnings HistoryForecast Bright Horizons Family Solutions EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.11Consensus EPS $1.06Beat/MissBeat by +$0.05One Year Ago EPS$0.78Bright Horizons Family Solutions Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$719.00 millionExpected Revenue$713.16 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.84 millionYoY Revenue Growth+11.30%Bright Horizons Family Solutions Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date11/4/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateMonday, November 4, 2024Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsBright Horizons Family Solutions' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 1, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Bright Horizons Family Solutions Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 4, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 13 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Bright Horizons Family Solutions Third Quarter 20 24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Michael Flanagan, Vice President of Investor Relations. Operator00:00:25Thank you. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:29Thanks, Julian, and welcome to Bright Horizons' 3rd quarter earnings call. Before we begin, please note today's call is being webcast and a recording will be available under the Investor Relations section of our website, brighthorizons.com. As a reminder to participants, any forward looking statements made on this call, including those regarding future business, financial performance and outlook are subject to the Safe Harbor statement included in our earnings release. Forward looking statements inherently involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual operating and financial results to differ materially and should be considered in conjunction with the cautionary statements that are described in detail in our earnings release, 2023 Form 10 ks and other SEC filings. Any forward looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made, and we undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:15Today, we also refer to non GAAP financial measures, which are detailed and reconciled to their GAAP counterparts in our earnings release, which is available under the IR section of our website at investors. Brighthorizons.com. Joining me on today's call is our Chief Executive Officer, Steven Kramer and our Chief Financial Officer, Elizabeth Bolan. Steven will start by reviewing our results and provide an update on the business. Elizabeth Bofall will have a more detailed review of the numbers before we open it up to your questions. Speaker 100:01:40With that, let me turn the call over to Steven. Speaker 200:01:44Thanks, Mike, and good evening to everyone on the call. Before we dive into our financial results, I want to extend our heartfelt sympathies to everyone affected by hurricanes Helen and Milton. While the overall operational impact for Bright Horizons was quite limited, these storms have had a profound effect on many of our educators, families and clients in the affected areas. The devastation is truly heartbreaking and our thoughts are with those impacted. In the face of unimaginable challenges, however, the Bright Horizons spirit continued to show through as employees across the South and Eastern U. Speaker 200:02:20S. Stepped up to support our clients, families and communities during this challenging time. Their dedication and resilience in the face of these natural disasters is truly inspiring. Thank you for embroidering our hard principles and showing such unwavering commitment. Moving on to our results, I was pleased with our overall performance in the Q3. Speaker 200:02:44Total revenue and adjusted EPS came in better than we expected driven largely by our backup care segment through stronger use, revenue and margin performance, while full service and Ed advisory were generally in line with our expectations. Overall, I am proud of our performance so far in 2024 and we are set up well to close the year with strength. To get into some of the specifics on the Q3, revenue increased 11% to $719,000,000 with adjusted EBITDA up 20% to $121,000,000 and adjusted EPS growing 26% to $1.11 per share. In our full service child care segment, revenue increased 9% to $487,000,000 We added 6 centers in the 3rd quarter, including client centers for Colorado School of Mines, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and Yale New Haven Health System. New Moments and centers opened for more than 1 year increased at a low single digit rate in Q3 across our U. Speaker 200:03:49S. And international operations. And average occupancy percentage followed its typical seasonal pattern stepping down sequentially to the low 60s. The UK continued to make operational and financial progress in the 3rd quarter, narrowing its losses as compared to last year. There is still a lot of work to be done in the UK to return our operations to pre pandemic performance levels and beyond. Speaker 200:04:16But this year's gains have been particularly encouraging following the challenges of 2023. I continue to be confident that we have established a solid foundation and set of initiatives to drive continued improvement in 2025 beyond. Let me now turn to backup care, which delivered another outstanding quarter. Revenue increased 18% to $202,000,000 outpacing our expectations for the quarter on stronger employee engagement and use. We also continue to expand our client base with new employer launches including Progressive Corporation and Brookfield Property. Speaker 200:04:58Growth in backup use was robust across traditional care types with notable strength in centers and camps as the care needs for school aged children are particularly acute over the summer break. As we have spoken about in the past, the supply of care is a critical element to achieving our backup growth goals. The operations team again performed exceptionally well this quarter delivering on the supply to meet another record level of use over the short summer period. The investments we have made and continue to make in building supply, new care types and personalized marketing and technology initiatives are bearing fruit and position us well to deliver on our growth goals in the years ahead. Our Education Advisory business grew to $31,000,000 in the quarter. Speaker 200:05:49We added new clients to the portfolio, notably launching Enterprise Holdings and Rice University. However, as we have discussed for the last several quarters, participant growth in our Ed Assist business remains muted. We are continuing to make investments in the team, product and marketing to revitalize our participant growth in 2025 beyond. Before I wrap up, I want to highlight the incredible success of our omni horizon summit, our first in person client event since the pandemic. We were thrilled to welcome clients from across the country and across industries, including leading employers such as Accenture, JPMorgan Chase and Valero. Speaker 200:06:34It was wonderful opportunity for clients to visit our home office, including the June Rehman Early Education Innovation Center, network with each other and hear from HR executives and Bright Horizons leaders who underscored ways that our services support client employees care and education needs. This summit reinforced our commitment to innovation and excellence in employee engagement and productivity, solidifying our position as a leader in the industry. In closing, I'm encouraged by the continued growth and high quality operational delivery we are seeing across our business. Given our results year to date and our current outlook for Q4, we are refining our full year revenue guidance to be approximately $2,675,000,000 representing 11% growth and an adjusted EPS range of $3.37 to $3.42 With that, I'll turn the call over to Elizabeth, who will dive into the quarterly numbers and share more details around our outlook. Speaker 300:07:44Thank you, Stephen, and hello to everyone, who's leaving on the call. Again, to recap the Q3, overall revenue increased 11% to $719,000,000 Adjusted operating income of $89,000,000 or 12.4 percent of revenue increased 34% over Q3 of 2023, while adjusted EBITDA of $121,000,000 or 16.8 percent of revenue increased 20% over the prior year. We ended the quarter with 10 28 centers, adding 6 and closing 10 centers in the 3rd quarter. To break this down a bit further, full service revenue of $487,000,000 was up 9% in Q3 on pricing increases and low single digit enrollment growth. As Stephen mentioned, occupancy levels across our portfolio open for more than 1 year averaged in the low 60s for Q3 as occupancy stepped down sequentially given the typical summer seasonality. Speaker 300:08:44In the center cohorts we've discussed previously, we continue to show improvement over the prior period prior year period. In Q3, our top performing cohort defined as above 70% occupancy improved from 36% of our centers in Q3 of 2023 to 42% in the Q3 of 2024. And our bottom cohort of centers, those under 40% occupied represent 13% of centers, improving from the 17% in the prior year period. Adjusted operating income of $12,000,000 in the full service segment increased $5,000,000 over the prior year. Higher enrollment, tuition increases and improving operating leverage, particularly in our U. Speaker 300:09:32K. Operations more than offset the $9,000,000 reduction in support received from the ARPA government funding program in Q3 of 2023. For new backup care, revenue grew 18% in the 3rd quarter to $202,000,000 ahead of our expectations of 11% to 13% growth on stronger overall use, which was also reflected in the adjusted operating income of $70,000,000 in Q3 of 2024, which was 35% of revenue. Lastly, our revenue in the Educational Advising segment increased 4% to $31,000,000 dollars and delivered operating margin of 21%. The modest deleverage in operating margins in Q3 over the prior year reflects the investments that we are making in this segment. Speaker 300:10:23Turning to a couple of other components of the income statement. Net interest expense of $12,000,000 in Q3 of 2024 reflects lower average borrowings offset by higher overall net rates on our outstanding debt as compared to Q3 of 2023. The structural effective tax rate on adjusted net income was 27.5% in the quarter. On the balance sheet and cash flow, through September of this year, we've generated $217,000,000 of cash from operations compared to $161,000,000 last year. We made fixed asset investments of $65,000,000 in 2024, similar to the $60,000,000 for the same period in 2023. Speaker 300:11:02We ended the quarter with $110,000,000 of cash and reduced our leverage ratio to 2.1 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA. Now moving on to our 2024 outlook. As Stephen mentioned, we're narrowing our guidance to 24 ranges for both revenue and adjusted EPS to reflect the stronger performance in Q3. We now expect revenue to approximate $2,675,000,000 and adjusted EPS to be in the range of $3.37 to $3.42 a share. In terms of our updated full year outlook by segment, we expect full service revenue to grow roughly 10% to 11%, back up period to grow 14% to 15% and net advisory to be relatively flat compared to the prior year. Speaker 300:11:49Therefore, this full year outlook translates to Q4 overall revenue in the range of $665,000,000 to $675,000,000 and adjusted EPS in the range of $0.88 to $0.93 a share. So with that, Julian, we are ready to go to Q and A. Operator00:12:11Great. Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer And our first question comes from Andrew Steinerman, JPMorgan. Speaker 400:12:43Hi, Elizabeth. Could you just tell us what your organic constant currency revenue growth was in the Q3 post the center closings that you mentioned? And then also mentioned if there's been centers acquired through M and A over the last 12 months? Speaker 300:13:01Sure. So overall, the full service revenue growth was 9.4%. Organic constant currency would have been 8%. The FX was around 100 basis points and M and A was about 50 basis points. Speaker 400:13:17Perfect. Thank you very much. Operator00:13:23Thank you. Our next question comes from Manav Patnaik, Barclays. Speaker 500:13:30Thank you. I think you mentioned that total enrollment growth was low single digits. I know in the past you've given us what the U. S. Growth was and even what the infant and toddler and the older age group was. Speaker 500:13:43I was hoping you could just give us that breakdown just to track how enrollments went this time? Speaker 300:13:49Yes. So broadly speaking Manav, enrollment was pretty consistent both domestically and internationally in that low single digits range. Infant and toddler enrollment has been stronger as we've talked about the last couple of quarters and it's coming more in line with the growth that we're seeing with preschool. So broadly speaking, those statistics kind of came in line, which is why we didn't isolate them. Speaker 500:14:14Okay, got it. And then I know it's still early, but just when we look out into 2025, any moving pieces that perhaps you want to call out? I know it's early to give you guys guide ranges, but just trying to get a first peak there. Speaker 300:14:35So I think your question was, whether we're looking out into 2025. Is that I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you. Yes. Yes. I mean, it's early for us to be we're not providing full guidance for 2025, but understand as we get closer to the end of the year and we're obviously in a process to detail complete our budget. Speaker 300:14:58So we do have some sidelines into where we are thinking. The second half of this year as we just reported for Q3 low single digits enrollment growth that that would be a similar pace for the rest of this year. So similar cadence in Q4 and that's where we would be looking to see enrollment next year in that low single digits as well. Price increases have been in the 5% range on average. We would expect that to be tapering a bit something more like 4% with 100 basis points of gap between tuition and wage increases that we would see. Speaker 300:15:40So that translates to the full service key performance indicators. Backup growth, of course, has been very strong this year, looking at 14% to 15% for the full year. But coming off of these a number of sequential both quarters and years of performance, we'd be looking at something that's more like our historical guided range of low double digits, 10% to 12% in that sustaining the operating margin performance with just a little bit less robust top line growth in that arena. Speaker 500:16:18Okay. Thank you. Speaker 300:16:20Welcome. Operator00:16:23Thank you. Our next question comes from George Tong, Goldman Sachs. Speaker 600:16:28Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. Can you discuss what your expectations are for occupancy rates by the end of this year and the timing for when overall occupancy rates will recover back to pre COVID levels in the 70% range? Speaker 300:16:46Sure. So I'll take a stab at maybe breaking down the piece part of that since it's not a completely uniform answer, George. The overall we're in the low 60s utilization this quarter. We would expect to continue around that range for the rest of this year. So exiting the year in the low 60s, our high watermark tends to be Q2. Speaker 300:17:08And so we would be building back up to that in the early part up above that next year in the first half. Overall, as you heard us talk about the top cohort of our centers are already at their sort of their top enrollment occupancy. So not a lot of gain to be had there. The enrollment growth will come from the other at this point, it's about 55% of centers, but roughly half of the centers that need to get back to a pre COVID occupancy level. We are expecting to see that making very good progress in the mid cohort group. Speaker 300:17:51They are making their way there now and so getting close to those levels in 2025. It's the bottom cohort that is less clear and I think it's too soon to say when the entire group will be back given the more lightning performance of that call it 10% to 15% of centers that are under 40% occupied. That is where the most challenge in getting the enrollment momentum. They're having good enrollment gains, but it's off of a very low base. And so making that progress back toward that 60%, 70% plus range is slower going. Speaker 600:18:29Got it. That's helpful. And just to elaborate on that last point, what would you say is the key challenge around the momentum in that bottom cohort? Is it the work from home dynamic? Is it geography like where these centers are operating? Speaker 600:18:46What are some of the commonalities that this bottom cohort of centers have that you could perhaps address in trying to drive improvement in occupancy? Speaker 300:18:56Yes. I'll let Steven answer that. Yes. Speaker 200:18:58It's a great question. And obviously, we spend a lot of time analyzing this bottom cohort and the centers within. What I would say is that there's no sort of straight through line, right, in terms of either micro geography or sort of where they are in terms of the other aspects of what you would typically think about as an operating center. What I would say is certainly there is a segment of them that are client centers and overall our client centers are higher occupied than our lease construction centers, but there are certainly a segment of them that are client centers. Of course, those client centers are at the discretion of the client. Speaker 200:19:42And so, we earn a fee. Speaker 500:19:45And so to the Speaker 200:19:46extent that they're underutilized, that's at the client's discretion. Then I would say, of the lease consortium, certainly, there is an imbalance between the amounts that are in the UK versus, here in the U. S. So on a relative basis, we see more centers in the UK relative to the size of the portfolio in the UK. On the other hand, we have seen improvement there. Speaker 200:20:11And so overall, while we'd love to be able to say, this is a sort of prototype of what is in the underperforming. Each one we are actioning with very specific actions and ultimately are treating each one individually and are performing and planning against them individually. Speaker 600:20:33Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:20:40Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Meuler, Baird. Speaker 700:20:46Yes. Thank you. Good afternoon. So I mean, it makes sense to me that the enrollment trends would be kind of normalizing towards the long term average as you have more pockets of capacity constraints and more centers in the greater than 70% occupancy bucket. But can you give us a sense of the trends in the 40% to 70% occupancy bucket? Speaker 700:21:08Like what is the same store sales enrollment growth just in that cohort and has it been slowing at all? Speaker 300:21:18I mean, I think the consideration there is that with our average in the low single digits, of course, in the top cohort, very well enrolled and so growing under in the 0% to 1% range because they're so well enrolled. That middle cohort would be mid single digits. And that is where we both have the opportunity to just keep building on that sort of steady. As you say, there's some capacity constraint because of where the children sit together and which rooms have space, but there still is good momentum in that group to continue to enroll. The lower cohort, those that are under 40% enrolled have the most enrollment growth as a percentage of their base. Speaker 300:22:07But it is both a smaller cohort of centers and they're growing Their numbers are the percentages sound high, but they're still a ways away from getting to even to that sort of 50% to 55% breakeven obviously. Speaker 700:22:24And I guess in the middle cohort, has the growth been holding steady? Or as you went through the back to school process this year, was there any deceleration or acceleration? Speaker 300:22:36I think it's been relatively steady. There is a little bit of, at this time of year, the enrollment, the turnover, if you will, from the seasonality, we've gotten back to a much more normalized seasonality cadence. So we certainly did see a little bit slower growth this year, but it's not the 100 basis points, not 500 basis points. Speaker 400:22:59Got it. Speaker 700:23:00And then, was there any meaningful impact either in Q3 or in Q4, from self sourced reimbursed care? And I know you said the operational impact of the hurricanes financially was not overly impactful, but did you see any sort of discernible impact on full service enrollment trends from it? Thank you. Speaker 200:23:23Yes. So I think you were asking about on backup, whether or not we saw self sourced care and then also transition to full time care in terms of enrollment. I think on the backup side, we continue to see a deceleration on the use of what we would call self source care. And that shift has meaningfully gone towards our traditional care types. So from our perspective, that's a really positive trend because obviously in the depths of COVID where we didn't have the network to be able to support the need, we then were providing the financial resources for people to find it on their own. Speaker 200:24:04On the other hand, what we are best at and what we are really proud of is when we can actually deliver the care. And so we've seen definitely a decrease. We did not see a spike in out of network care during this quarter nor did the hurricane sort of bring that out in any meaningful manner. So really the spike that we saw in Q3 was because of the need for centers and camps and then in home care. In terms of enrollment, again, we didn't see any meaningful change in terms of people start dates or things of that nature. Speaker 200:24:47Again, for the most part where our centers are located, they were not impacted for a significant period of time. We only had one center that was closed for any meaningful period of time. And again, that was a client center in Asheville, North Carolina. And within that context, it was again a single center. Speaker 300:25:08Back open now. Yes. Speaker 200:25:10Back open. Okay. Thank you. Speaker 300:25:12Thanks, Joe. Operator00:25:16Thank you. Our next question comes from Toni Kaplan, Morgan Stanley. Speaker 800:25:21Thanks so much. I was hoping you could give a little more quantification on the drivers within the backup care growth. If you could maybe talk about either how much is from new clients versus clients adding days to existing plans, camps, price, whatever factors factors you want to include just really great growth and just wanted to understand it a little bit better. Speaker 300:25:48Sure. So, thanks for the question, Tony. It is, I think simply put it's more utilization by more eligible employees primarily at existing clients rather than it being driven primarily by new clients. We do have new clients who typically are launching care and then they tend to season in over a couple of years. So in here new clients aren't necessarily contributing a lot of velocity to that use growth. Speaker 300:26:18But having the additional care types and options available in ways that are responsive to parents' needs, whether it's from academic tutoring or it's a summer camp program or it's backup care on high holidays or other schools out time. I think that we've been able to reach more employees at different stages of their care needs life. And therefore, as awareness builds, it's more that used by newer users growing that new user space even in clients adding to their basket of uses either. Speaker 800:27:00Great. And I wanted to ask about M and A. Have you started to see any more willingness from independents to sell with some of the COVID programs rolling off? Just anything on the M and A pipeline and what you're seeing within the industry? Speaker 200:27:24Yes. So I mean certainly, Tony, we continue to keep strong relationships with providers that operate high quality programs in locations that are strategic to us. The reality is that many of those programs continue to progress enrollment and are not back to where they were in 2019. And therefore, valuation expectations Speaker 100:27:51at Speaker 200:27:52this point still are mismatched given the financial performance that they enjoy today versus what they may have enjoyed back in 2019. So what I would say is we still see prospects for the future, but in the near term, we continue to be very disciplined and making sure that how we're thinking about valuation and capital allocation is reflective of our long term strategy and not reflective of any need in the short term to be acquisitive beyond what we require. Speaker 800:28:31Perfect. Thanks. Operator00:28:37Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Silber, BMO Capital Markets. Speaker 900:28:44Thanks so much. I actually wanted to ask about Ed Assist. I know it's a relatively small portion of the business, but you talked about, I think you used the terms muted participation growth, I might have been off there. But can you talk a little bit more about that? Is this an industry issue? Speaker 900:29:00Is it an execution issue? And if it's the latter, is there anything what do you think you can do about that? Speaker 200:29:07Yes. It's a great question, Jeff. Thank you. So look, our Ed advisory business has 2 segments, right? One is supporting employee dependence through the college admissions process. Speaker 200:29:20We've been in that business since 2006. And I would say that that business continues to garner clients. We continue to see improvements in participation levels. The larger part of the Ed advisory business is what we call Ed Assist. Ed Assist is focused on employees who are going back to school themselves. Speaker 200:29:40So we manage the tuition assistance programs for employers and ultimately like our other services are participant driven. And so what I would say is that, in the context of sort of what is market versus what is us, I would say that certainly in stronger economic times, it is fair to say that fewer people feel the incentive to go back to school, fewer people feel the need to extend their skills. So I think from a market perspective, we're starting to see a little bit of change as it relates to behavior just generally. In terms of what we're doing, I think that we are very focused on a transformation within that aspect of the business. We want to make sure that we are responding to what employers need and what their employees need in this particular area. Speaker 200:30:33And so we have certainly refreshed the team in that area. We are in the process of investing in the platform and the product. And then finally, we are like we did over many years in backup care investing in the outreach and personalized marketing efforts that really do attract users. And so I would say those are the 3 sort of categories of things we're doing to improve our own situation within EdAdvisory, specifically within Ed Assist. And this year would have been a fairly 0 growth, a little bit of growth over last year. Speaker 200:31:14And then as we enter next year, we're hoping for slightly better than that, but again are really focused on investing in that business for the long term. Speaker 900:31:25All right. That's really helpful. I believe we've got a presidential election in this country tomorrow. I know you really don't get much of your revenues via the federal government, but Vice President Harris had proposed a cap on external childcare costs. I forget the number, but it was a relatively small percentage of total household income. Speaker 900:31:48I don't know if you heard anything more about this. If something like this would happen, what kind of impact could that have on your business? Speaker 200:31:57Yes. Look, I think the reality is that there has been a lot of rhetoric over many years, certainly for the lifetime of this company, having federal government get more involved in childcare and different regulations that they may have suggested. I think the governing factor here is financial, Speaker 300:32:19right? Speaker 200:32:19At the end of the day to get the kind of involvement that politicians might suggest is possible requires an outsized amount of resource that government here in this country has never been prepared to invest. I would say that for sure, the U. S. Government has always focused its limited resource in this area to the neediest families, which we certainly support those in most need. But the reality is that the federal government has not gotten involved more broadly in child care. Speaker 200:32:56So again, this is less about which political party and more about just categorically government Speaker 300:33:03here Speaker 200:33:04in the U. S. Just not prioritizing investments in early childhood education beyond those families that are most disadvantaged. Speaker 900:33:14All right. Really appreciate the color, Steve. Thanks. Operator00:33:19Thank you. And our next question comes from Josh Chan, UBS. Speaker 1000:33:24Hi, good afternoon, Steve and Elizabeth. Thanks for taking my questions. On backup care, do you track any metric such as the percentage of allowed days that your customers or your consumers are actually utilizing? Is there anything that you can share with us in terms of baselining where you are in terms of penetrating the total use available days, I guess? Speaker 300:33:51Yes. We do have a variety of component parts that we track, Josh. But I think for us and what we've talked about publicly, it's really been more broad based on overall use because in some respects, the population isn't capped. An individual person may be capped, but the majority of our client partners an arrangement that's on a pay per use. They may have a base fee, but then it's participation and use after that. Speaker 300:34:25And so it's not limited to how many employees may have how many days. So having a variety of care types available at different times and in different ways for employees at different stages of their lives is how we're able to grow some of that participation without regard to people consuming their entire basket. I think anecdotally or just sort of qualitatively, what we see is generally most people who are using a backup care benefit find it useful and they utilize as much as they can. There are some who are more dabblers, but it tends to be a benefit that has good penetration with those who are users. Speaker 1000:35:08That's really helpful color. Thank you. And then on the full service side, how would you characterize fall enrollment trends versus what you're expecting? Any deviations compared to what you think kind of going into the fall enrollment season? Thank you so much. Speaker 300:35:27Yes. So as we talked about enrollment overall for the year being mid single digits and a little bit more robust first half than second half. So broadly speaking, I think the 3rd quarter came in as we would have expected. I think our outlook is cautious and that is in part because of what we've talked about with having space available and the enrollment opportunities in the centers that we that are not as fully enrolled will continue to be more challenging than the enrollment we've been able to get over the last 2, 4, 6 quarters. And so I think that's what informs our outlook for both the rest of this year and then into 2025 being in that low single digits continued growth across that group of centers that are not yet fully back to their pre pandemic levels. Speaker 1000:36:27Great. Thank you for the color and thanks for the time. Thank Speaker 600:36:33you. Operator00:36:43And our next question comes from Faiza Alwy, Deutsche Bank. Speaker 1100:36:48Yes. Hi. Thank you so much. Elizabeth, I just first wanted to clarify and confirm that there's no changes to your margin expectations by segment. I don't think you gave those for the year. Speaker 1100:37:02I think we talked about sort of low to mid single digit operating margin for the full service business and maybe 25% to 30% for backup care. Are we in a similar ballpark style? Speaker 300:37:17Yes. So I think I caught that. We were just having a little bit of microphone issue here. But I think the question on margins for the rest of the year, yes, we would expect backup to continue to be very similar to or not continue to be, but to be for the full year, very similar to where we were in 2023. It will be an elevated level of margin in Q4 compared to the rest of the year. Speaker 300:37:44So, north of 30% we would expect in the quarter, but for the full year in that similar range to where we were in 2023. Full service margins improving from where we were in Q3, still low single digits, but improving from where we are in this quarter. I would note one element we've talked a bit about this overhead, the distribution of overhead between the segments and it's a little bit of a headwind to full service this quarter about 75 basis points. It's a little bit of a tailwind to back up about 175 basis points of tailwind to back up. And so that similar effect would impact them in Q4 and then that will be behind us as we get into 2025. Speaker 300:38:32But broadly speaking, high end and sort of high teens to low double low 20s in the advertising business. Speaker 1100:38:42Okay, great. Thank you. And then hopefully you can still hear me, but I wanted to ask about you gave some color around 20 25 enrollment growth and pricing. And I'm curious if you think there's opportunity to take additional pricing. It seems to me opportunity to take additional pricing. Speaker 1100:39:00It seems to me that the category is Speaker 300:39:04a Speaker 1100:39:04little bit less elastic more broadly, but would love to hear your views on how you're thinking about your pricing strategies? Speaker 300:39:16Yes. I mean, we are I think we're always mindful of the balance in the pricing against the drive for being able to deliver the service and growing enrollment. It has been an environment where we've seen elevated cost structure that we are frankly still working our way through. We made investments in wages and we want to continue to maintain that discipline on price to wage. But we are seeing an environment where we think it varies center by center as you've heard us talk about. Speaker 300:39:52But broadly speaking, the strategy would be to recognize that inflation has tapered some and taking price increase on average with a little bit lower than what we saw this year. We have a time to make those decisions. They're certainly coming up to some January price actions and some April price actions. So we have time to consider those, but that's our general thinking at this point. Speaker 1100:40:21Great. Thank you so much. Operator00:40:27And our next question comes from Harold Anter, Jefferies. Harold, please proceed with your question. Speaker 1200:40:43Hello, sorry, double muted. Yes, this is Harold Lato on for Stephanie Moore. Just on the U. K, I know you've been seeing improvements there. But if you could just provide us with how things are trending there, employment levels there, wage inflation there compared to the U. Speaker 1200:41:02S. And then I guess if you could give us an update on the percentage of centers that you have in the U. K. Now because I know you've been closing centers and with them being on the lowest cohort, just wanted to get a sense of how that's trending. Thank you. Speaker 300:41:22I'll take the closure question. I'm sorry I didn't Speaker 200:41:25I can start with the first piece, which it's fair to say that the UK performance was largely in line with our expectations in the quarter. It was certainly a nice improvement year on year. We talked about the fact that 2023 was a very challenging year in the UK. And so year over year, we've made some good progress. I think we had called out in 2023 that we're going to lose in the full service business about $30,000,000 and we've cut that in half this year. Speaker 200:42:01And so we feel good about the progress that we're making in the UK with still progress to be made. And then maybe Olga will comment on the closure side. Speaker 300:42:12Yes. So we have closed a number of centers this year. We're on track globally to close plusminus 50 centers overall. And the U. K. Speaker 300:42:23Has been certainly part of that strategy rationalizing the portfolio there. We have still circled up some that will are on the docket for closure in 2020 5, but at this point Okay. Speaker 100:42:38For this year close to 15% to 20% or so of this year's closures was in the UK. And when you look at that bottom cohort, Harold, as Stephen mentioned earlier, about the P and L centers in that bottom cohort, about 40% or so are in the U. K, weighted more toward the U. K. There, particularly in the Q3. Speaker 100:42:59But as Elizabeth said, we have some centers that we will we circle it up to close here in Q4 and then also in 2025 in the U. K, if you look to optimize that portfolio there. Speaker 1000:43:14Thank Speaker 1200:43:14you. And then I guess just on the inflation side that you're seeing in the U. K, would you say that it's in line with the U. S? Or would you be pricing a little bit more aggressively in the U. Speaker 1200:43:30K? Just anything there? Thank you. Speaker 300:43:34Yes. So the figure that I gave was a general average around our global operations. So it will vary by both geography and there may be some parts of the U. K. Where we aim a little bit higher and others where we aim lower, but that was encompassing a global view. Speaker 300:43:54Inflation in the U. K. Has been tapering as well. I don't have right hand the exact comparison to the U. 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There are 13 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Bright Horizons Family Solutions Third Quarter 20 24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Michael Flanagan, Vice President of Investor Relations. Operator00:00:25Thank you. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:29Thanks, Julian, and welcome to Bright Horizons' 3rd quarter earnings call. Before we begin, please note today's call is being webcast and a recording will be available under the Investor Relations section of our website, brighthorizons.com. As a reminder to participants, any forward looking statements made on this call, including those regarding future business, financial performance and outlook are subject to the Safe Harbor statement included in our earnings release. Forward looking statements inherently involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual operating and financial results to differ materially and should be considered in conjunction with the cautionary statements that are described in detail in our earnings release, 2023 Form 10 ks and other SEC filings. Any forward looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made, and we undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:15Today, we also refer to non GAAP financial measures, which are detailed and reconciled to their GAAP counterparts in our earnings release, which is available under the IR section of our website at investors. Brighthorizons.com. Joining me on today's call is our Chief Executive Officer, Steven Kramer and our Chief Financial Officer, Elizabeth Bolan. Steven will start by reviewing our results and provide an update on the business. Elizabeth Bofall will have a more detailed review of the numbers before we open it up to your questions. Speaker 100:01:40With that, let me turn the call over to Steven. Speaker 200:01:44Thanks, Mike, and good evening to everyone on the call. Before we dive into our financial results, I want to extend our heartfelt sympathies to everyone affected by hurricanes Helen and Milton. While the overall operational impact for Bright Horizons was quite limited, these storms have had a profound effect on many of our educators, families and clients in the affected areas. The devastation is truly heartbreaking and our thoughts are with those impacted. In the face of unimaginable challenges, however, the Bright Horizons spirit continued to show through as employees across the South and Eastern U. Speaker 200:02:20S. Stepped up to support our clients, families and communities during this challenging time. Their dedication and resilience in the face of these natural disasters is truly inspiring. Thank you for embroidering our hard principles and showing such unwavering commitment. Moving on to our results, I was pleased with our overall performance in the Q3. Speaker 200:02:44Total revenue and adjusted EPS came in better than we expected driven largely by our backup care segment through stronger use, revenue and margin performance, while full service and Ed advisory were generally in line with our expectations. Overall, I am proud of our performance so far in 2024 and we are set up well to close the year with strength. To get into some of the specifics on the Q3, revenue increased 11% to $719,000,000 with adjusted EBITDA up 20% to $121,000,000 and adjusted EPS growing 26% to $1.11 per share. In our full service child care segment, revenue increased 9% to $487,000,000 We added 6 centers in the 3rd quarter, including client centers for Colorado School of Mines, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and Yale New Haven Health System. New Moments and centers opened for more than 1 year increased at a low single digit rate in Q3 across our U. Speaker 200:03:49S. And international operations. And average occupancy percentage followed its typical seasonal pattern stepping down sequentially to the low 60s. The UK continued to make operational and financial progress in the 3rd quarter, narrowing its losses as compared to last year. There is still a lot of work to be done in the UK to return our operations to pre pandemic performance levels and beyond. Speaker 200:04:16But this year's gains have been particularly encouraging following the challenges of 2023. I continue to be confident that we have established a solid foundation and set of initiatives to drive continued improvement in 2025 beyond. Let me now turn to backup care, which delivered another outstanding quarter. Revenue increased 18% to $202,000,000 outpacing our expectations for the quarter on stronger employee engagement and use. We also continue to expand our client base with new employer launches including Progressive Corporation and Brookfield Property. Speaker 200:04:58Growth in backup use was robust across traditional care types with notable strength in centers and camps as the care needs for school aged children are particularly acute over the summer break. As we have spoken about in the past, the supply of care is a critical element to achieving our backup growth goals. The operations team again performed exceptionally well this quarter delivering on the supply to meet another record level of use over the short summer period. The investments we have made and continue to make in building supply, new care types and personalized marketing and technology initiatives are bearing fruit and position us well to deliver on our growth goals in the years ahead. Our Education Advisory business grew to $31,000,000 in the quarter. Speaker 200:05:49We added new clients to the portfolio, notably launching Enterprise Holdings and Rice University. However, as we have discussed for the last several quarters, participant growth in our Ed Assist business remains muted. We are continuing to make investments in the team, product and marketing to revitalize our participant growth in 2025 beyond. Before I wrap up, I want to highlight the incredible success of our omni horizon summit, our first in person client event since the pandemic. We were thrilled to welcome clients from across the country and across industries, including leading employers such as Accenture, JPMorgan Chase and Valero. Speaker 200:06:34It was wonderful opportunity for clients to visit our home office, including the June Rehman Early Education Innovation Center, network with each other and hear from HR executives and Bright Horizons leaders who underscored ways that our services support client employees care and education needs. This summit reinforced our commitment to innovation and excellence in employee engagement and productivity, solidifying our position as a leader in the industry. In closing, I'm encouraged by the continued growth and high quality operational delivery we are seeing across our business. Given our results year to date and our current outlook for Q4, we are refining our full year revenue guidance to be approximately $2,675,000,000 representing 11% growth and an adjusted EPS range of $3.37 to $3.42 With that, I'll turn the call over to Elizabeth, who will dive into the quarterly numbers and share more details around our outlook. Speaker 300:07:44Thank you, Stephen, and hello to everyone, who's leaving on the call. Again, to recap the Q3, overall revenue increased 11% to $719,000,000 Adjusted operating income of $89,000,000 or 12.4 percent of revenue increased 34% over Q3 of 2023, while adjusted EBITDA of $121,000,000 or 16.8 percent of revenue increased 20% over the prior year. We ended the quarter with 10 28 centers, adding 6 and closing 10 centers in the 3rd quarter. To break this down a bit further, full service revenue of $487,000,000 was up 9% in Q3 on pricing increases and low single digit enrollment growth. As Stephen mentioned, occupancy levels across our portfolio open for more than 1 year averaged in the low 60s for Q3 as occupancy stepped down sequentially given the typical summer seasonality. Speaker 300:08:44In the center cohorts we've discussed previously, we continue to show improvement over the prior period prior year period. In Q3, our top performing cohort defined as above 70% occupancy improved from 36% of our centers in Q3 of 2023 to 42% in the Q3 of 2024. And our bottom cohort of centers, those under 40% occupied represent 13% of centers, improving from the 17% in the prior year period. Adjusted operating income of $12,000,000 in the full service segment increased $5,000,000 over the prior year. Higher enrollment, tuition increases and improving operating leverage, particularly in our U. Speaker 300:09:32K. Operations more than offset the $9,000,000 reduction in support received from the ARPA government funding program in Q3 of 2023. For new backup care, revenue grew 18% in the 3rd quarter to $202,000,000 ahead of our expectations of 11% to 13% growth on stronger overall use, which was also reflected in the adjusted operating income of $70,000,000 in Q3 of 2024, which was 35% of revenue. Lastly, our revenue in the Educational Advising segment increased 4% to $31,000,000 dollars and delivered operating margin of 21%. The modest deleverage in operating margins in Q3 over the prior year reflects the investments that we are making in this segment. Speaker 300:10:23Turning to a couple of other components of the income statement. Net interest expense of $12,000,000 in Q3 of 2024 reflects lower average borrowings offset by higher overall net rates on our outstanding debt as compared to Q3 of 2023. The structural effective tax rate on adjusted net income was 27.5% in the quarter. On the balance sheet and cash flow, through September of this year, we've generated $217,000,000 of cash from operations compared to $161,000,000 last year. We made fixed asset investments of $65,000,000 in 2024, similar to the $60,000,000 for the same period in 2023. Speaker 300:11:02We ended the quarter with $110,000,000 of cash and reduced our leverage ratio to 2.1 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA. Now moving on to our 2024 outlook. As Stephen mentioned, we're narrowing our guidance to 24 ranges for both revenue and adjusted EPS to reflect the stronger performance in Q3. We now expect revenue to approximate $2,675,000,000 and adjusted EPS to be in the range of $3.37 to $3.42 a share. In terms of our updated full year outlook by segment, we expect full service revenue to grow roughly 10% to 11%, back up period to grow 14% to 15% and net advisory to be relatively flat compared to the prior year. Speaker 300:11:49Therefore, this full year outlook translates to Q4 overall revenue in the range of $665,000,000 to $675,000,000 and adjusted EPS in the range of $0.88 to $0.93 a share. So with that, Julian, we are ready to go to Q and A. Operator00:12:11Great. Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer And our first question comes from Andrew Steinerman, JPMorgan. Speaker 400:12:43Hi, Elizabeth. Could you just tell us what your organic constant currency revenue growth was in the Q3 post the center closings that you mentioned? And then also mentioned if there's been centers acquired through M and A over the last 12 months? Speaker 300:13:01Sure. So overall, the full service revenue growth was 9.4%. Organic constant currency would have been 8%. The FX was around 100 basis points and M and A was about 50 basis points. Speaker 400:13:17Perfect. Thank you very much. Operator00:13:23Thank you. Our next question comes from Manav Patnaik, Barclays. Speaker 500:13:30Thank you. I think you mentioned that total enrollment growth was low single digits. I know in the past you've given us what the U. S. Growth was and even what the infant and toddler and the older age group was. Speaker 500:13:43I was hoping you could just give us that breakdown just to track how enrollments went this time? Speaker 300:13:49Yes. So broadly speaking Manav, enrollment was pretty consistent both domestically and internationally in that low single digits range. Infant and toddler enrollment has been stronger as we've talked about the last couple of quarters and it's coming more in line with the growth that we're seeing with preschool. So broadly speaking, those statistics kind of came in line, which is why we didn't isolate them. Speaker 500:14:14Okay, got it. And then I know it's still early, but just when we look out into 2025, any moving pieces that perhaps you want to call out? I know it's early to give you guys guide ranges, but just trying to get a first peak there. Speaker 300:14:35So I think your question was, whether we're looking out into 2025. Is that I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you. Yes. Yes. I mean, it's early for us to be we're not providing full guidance for 2025, but understand as we get closer to the end of the year and we're obviously in a process to detail complete our budget. Speaker 300:14:58So we do have some sidelines into where we are thinking. The second half of this year as we just reported for Q3 low single digits enrollment growth that that would be a similar pace for the rest of this year. So similar cadence in Q4 and that's where we would be looking to see enrollment next year in that low single digits as well. Price increases have been in the 5% range on average. We would expect that to be tapering a bit something more like 4% with 100 basis points of gap between tuition and wage increases that we would see. Speaker 300:15:40So that translates to the full service key performance indicators. Backup growth, of course, has been very strong this year, looking at 14% to 15% for the full year. But coming off of these a number of sequential both quarters and years of performance, we'd be looking at something that's more like our historical guided range of low double digits, 10% to 12% in that sustaining the operating margin performance with just a little bit less robust top line growth in that arena. Speaker 500:16:18Okay. Thank you. Speaker 300:16:20Welcome. Operator00:16:23Thank you. Our next question comes from George Tong, Goldman Sachs. Speaker 600:16:28Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. Can you discuss what your expectations are for occupancy rates by the end of this year and the timing for when overall occupancy rates will recover back to pre COVID levels in the 70% range? Speaker 300:16:46Sure. So I'll take a stab at maybe breaking down the piece part of that since it's not a completely uniform answer, George. The overall we're in the low 60s utilization this quarter. We would expect to continue around that range for the rest of this year. So exiting the year in the low 60s, our high watermark tends to be Q2. Speaker 300:17:08And so we would be building back up to that in the early part up above that next year in the first half. Overall, as you heard us talk about the top cohort of our centers are already at their sort of their top enrollment occupancy. So not a lot of gain to be had there. The enrollment growth will come from the other at this point, it's about 55% of centers, but roughly half of the centers that need to get back to a pre COVID occupancy level. We are expecting to see that making very good progress in the mid cohort group. Speaker 300:17:51They are making their way there now and so getting close to those levels in 2025. It's the bottom cohort that is less clear and I think it's too soon to say when the entire group will be back given the more lightning performance of that call it 10% to 15% of centers that are under 40% occupied. That is where the most challenge in getting the enrollment momentum. They're having good enrollment gains, but it's off of a very low base. And so making that progress back toward that 60%, 70% plus range is slower going. Speaker 600:18:29Got it. That's helpful. And just to elaborate on that last point, what would you say is the key challenge around the momentum in that bottom cohort? Is it the work from home dynamic? Is it geography like where these centers are operating? Speaker 600:18:46What are some of the commonalities that this bottom cohort of centers have that you could perhaps address in trying to drive improvement in occupancy? Speaker 300:18:56Yes. I'll let Steven answer that. Yes. Speaker 200:18:58It's a great question. And obviously, we spend a lot of time analyzing this bottom cohort and the centers within. What I would say is that there's no sort of straight through line, right, in terms of either micro geography or sort of where they are in terms of the other aspects of what you would typically think about as an operating center. What I would say is certainly there is a segment of them that are client centers and overall our client centers are higher occupied than our lease construction centers, but there are certainly a segment of them that are client centers. Of course, those client centers are at the discretion of the client. Speaker 200:19:42And so, we earn a fee. Speaker 500:19:45And so to the Speaker 200:19:46extent that they're underutilized, that's at the client's discretion. Then I would say, of the lease consortium, certainly, there is an imbalance between the amounts that are in the UK versus, here in the U. S. So on a relative basis, we see more centers in the UK relative to the size of the portfolio in the UK. On the other hand, we have seen improvement there. Speaker 200:20:11And so overall, while we'd love to be able to say, this is a sort of prototype of what is in the underperforming. Each one we are actioning with very specific actions and ultimately are treating each one individually and are performing and planning against them individually. Speaker 600:20:33Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:20:40Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Meuler, Baird. Speaker 700:20:46Yes. Thank you. Good afternoon. So I mean, it makes sense to me that the enrollment trends would be kind of normalizing towards the long term average as you have more pockets of capacity constraints and more centers in the greater than 70% occupancy bucket. But can you give us a sense of the trends in the 40% to 70% occupancy bucket? Speaker 700:21:08Like what is the same store sales enrollment growth just in that cohort and has it been slowing at all? Speaker 300:21:18I mean, I think the consideration there is that with our average in the low single digits, of course, in the top cohort, very well enrolled and so growing under in the 0% to 1% range because they're so well enrolled. That middle cohort would be mid single digits. And that is where we both have the opportunity to just keep building on that sort of steady. As you say, there's some capacity constraint because of where the children sit together and which rooms have space, but there still is good momentum in that group to continue to enroll. The lower cohort, those that are under 40% enrolled have the most enrollment growth as a percentage of their base. Speaker 300:22:07But it is both a smaller cohort of centers and they're growing Their numbers are the percentages sound high, but they're still a ways away from getting to even to that sort of 50% to 55% breakeven obviously. Speaker 700:22:24And I guess in the middle cohort, has the growth been holding steady? Or as you went through the back to school process this year, was there any deceleration or acceleration? Speaker 300:22:36I think it's been relatively steady. There is a little bit of, at this time of year, the enrollment, the turnover, if you will, from the seasonality, we've gotten back to a much more normalized seasonality cadence. So we certainly did see a little bit slower growth this year, but it's not the 100 basis points, not 500 basis points. Speaker 400:22:59Got it. Speaker 700:23:00And then, was there any meaningful impact either in Q3 or in Q4, from self sourced reimbursed care? And I know you said the operational impact of the hurricanes financially was not overly impactful, but did you see any sort of discernible impact on full service enrollment trends from it? Thank you. Speaker 200:23:23Yes. So I think you were asking about on backup, whether or not we saw self sourced care and then also transition to full time care in terms of enrollment. I think on the backup side, we continue to see a deceleration on the use of what we would call self source care. And that shift has meaningfully gone towards our traditional care types. So from our perspective, that's a really positive trend because obviously in the depths of COVID where we didn't have the network to be able to support the need, we then were providing the financial resources for people to find it on their own. Speaker 200:24:04On the other hand, what we are best at and what we are really proud of is when we can actually deliver the care. And so we've seen definitely a decrease. We did not see a spike in out of network care during this quarter nor did the hurricane sort of bring that out in any meaningful manner. So really the spike that we saw in Q3 was because of the need for centers and camps and then in home care. In terms of enrollment, again, we didn't see any meaningful change in terms of people start dates or things of that nature. Speaker 200:24:47Again, for the most part where our centers are located, they were not impacted for a significant period of time. We only had one center that was closed for any meaningful period of time. And again, that was a client center in Asheville, North Carolina. And within that context, it was again a single center. Speaker 300:25:08Back open now. Yes. Speaker 200:25:10Back open. Okay. Thank you. Speaker 300:25:12Thanks, Joe. Operator00:25:16Thank you. Our next question comes from Toni Kaplan, Morgan Stanley. Speaker 800:25:21Thanks so much. I was hoping you could give a little more quantification on the drivers within the backup care growth. If you could maybe talk about either how much is from new clients versus clients adding days to existing plans, camps, price, whatever factors factors you want to include just really great growth and just wanted to understand it a little bit better. Speaker 300:25:48Sure. So, thanks for the question, Tony. It is, I think simply put it's more utilization by more eligible employees primarily at existing clients rather than it being driven primarily by new clients. We do have new clients who typically are launching care and then they tend to season in over a couple of years. So in here new clients aren't necessarily contributing a lot of velocity to that use growth. Speaker 300:26:18But having the additional care types and options available in ways that are responsive to parents' needs, whether it's from academic tutoring or it's a summer camp program or it's backup care on high holidays or other schools out time. I think that we've been able to reach more employees at different stages of their care needs life. And therefore, as awareness builds, it's more that used by newer users growing that new user space even in clients adding to their basket of uses either. Speaker 800:27:00Great. And I wanted to ask about M and A. Have you started to see any more willingness from independents to sell with some of the COVID programs rolling off? Just anything on the M and A pipeline and what you're seeing within the industry? Speaker 200:27:24Yes. So I mean certainly, Tony, we continue to keep strong relationships with providers that operate high quality programs in locations that are strategic to us. The reality is that many of those programs continue to progress enrollment and are not back to where they were in 2019. And therefore, valuation expectations Speaker 100:27:51at Speaker 200:27:52this point still are mismatched given the financial performance that they enjoy today versus what they may have enjoyed back in 2019. So what I would say is we still see prospects for the future, but in the near term, we continue to be very disciplined and making sure that how we're thinking about valuation and capital allocation is reflective of our long term strategy and not reflective of any need in the short term to be acquisitive beyond what we require. Speaker 800:28:31Perfect. Thanks. Operator00:28:37Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Silber, BMO Capital Markets. Speaker 900:28:44Thanks so much. I actually wanted to ask about Ed Assist. I know it's a relatively small portion of the business, but you talked about, I think you used the terms muted participation growth, I might have been off there. But can you talk a little bit more about that? Is this an industry issue? Speaker 900:29:00Is it an execution issue? And if it's the latter, is there anything what do you think you can do about that? Speaker 200:29:07Yes. It's a great question, Jeff. Thank you. So look, our Ed advisory business has 2 segments, right? One is supporting employee dependence through the college admissions process. Speaker 200:29:20We've been in that business since 2006. And I would say that that business continues to garner clients. We continue to see improvements in participation levels. The larger part of the Ed advisory business is what we call Ed Assist. Ed Assist is focused on employees who are going back to school themselves. Speaker 200:29:40So we manage the tuition assistance programs for employers and ultimately like our other services are participant driven. And so what I would say is that, in the context of sort of what is market versus what is us, I would say that certainly in stronger economic times, it is fair to say that fewer people feel the incentive to go back to school, fewer people feel the need to extend their skills. So I think from a market perspective, we're starting to see a little bit of change as it relates to behavior just generally. In terms of what we're doing, I think that we are very focused on a transformation within that aspect of the business. We want to make sure that we are responding to what employers need and what their employees need in this particular area. Speaker 200:30:33And so we have certainly refreshed the team in that area. We are in the process of investing in the platform and the product. And then finally, we are like we did over many years in backup care investing in the outreach and personalized marketing efforts that really do attract users. And so I would say those are the 3 sort of categories of things we're doing to improve our own situation within EdAdvisory, specifically within Ed Assist. And this year would have been a fairly 0 growth, a little bit of growth over last year. Speaker 200:31:14And then as we enter next year, we're hoping for slightly better than that, but again are really focused on investing in that business for the long term. Speaker 900:31:25All right. That's really helpful. I believe we've got a presidential election in this country tomorrow. I know you really don't get much of your revenues via the federal government, but Vice President Harris had proposed a cap on external childcare costs. I forget the number, but it was a relatively small percentage of total household income. Speaker 900:31:48I don't know if you heard anything more about this. If something like this would happen, what kind of impact could that have on your business? Speaker 200:31:57Yes. Look, I think the reality is that there has been a lot of rhetoric over many years, certainly for the lifetime of this company, having federal government get more involved in childcare and different regulations that they may have suggested. I think the governing factor here is financial, Speaker 300:32:19right? Speaker 200:32:19At the end of the day to get the kind of involvement that politicians might suggest is possible requires an outsized amount of resource that government here in this country has never been prepared to invest. I would say that for sure, the U. S. Government has always focused its limited resource in this area to the neediest families, which we certainly support those in most need. But the reality is that the federal government has not gotten involved more broadly in child care. Speaker 200:32:56So again, this is less about which political party and more about just categorically government Speaker 300:33:03here Speaker 200:33:04in the U. S. Just not prioritizing investments in early childhood education beyond those families that are most disadvantaged. Speaker 900:33:14All right. Really appreciate the color, Steve. Thanks. Operator00:33:19Thank you. And our next question comes from Josh Chan, UBS. Speaker 1000:33:24Hi, good afternoon, Steve and Elizabeth. Thanks for taking my questions. On backup care, do you track any metric such as the percentage of allowed days that your customers or your consumers are actually utilizing? Is there anything that you can share with us in terms of baselining where you are in terms of penetrating the total use available days, I guess? Speaker 300:33:51Yes. We do have a variety of component parts that we track, Josh. But I think for us and what we've talked about publicly, it's really been more broad based on overall use because in some respects, the population isn't capped. An individual person may be capped, but the majority of our client partners an arrangement that's on a pay per use. They may have a base fee, but then it's participation and use after that. Speaker 300:34:25And so it's not limited to how many employees may have how many days. So having a variety of care types available at different times and in different ways for employees at different stages of their lives is how we're able to grow some of that participation without regard to people consuming their entire basket. I think anecdotally or just sort of qualitatively, what we see is generally most people who are using a backup care benefit find it useful and they utilize as much as they can. There are some who are more dabblers, but it tends to be a benefit that has good penetration with those who are users. Speaker 1000:35:08That's really helpful color. Thank you. And then on the full service side, how would you characterize fall enrollment trends versus what you're expecting? Any deviations compared to what you think kind of going into the fall enrollment season? Thank you so much. Speaker 300:35:27Yes. So as we talked about enrollment overall for the year being mid single digits and a little bit more robust first half than second half. So broadly speaking, I think the 3rd quarter came in as we would have expected. I think our outlook is cautious and that is in part because of what we've talked about with having space available and the enrollment opportunities in the centers that we that are not as fully enrolled will continue to be more challenging than the enrollment we've been able to get over the last 2, 4, 6 quarters. And so I think that's what informs our outlook for both the rest of this year and then into 2025 being in that low single digits continued growth across that group of centers that are not yet fully back to their pre pandemic levels. Speaker 1000:36:27Great. Thank you for the color and thanks for the time. Thank Speaker 600:36:33you. Operator00:36:43And our next question comes from Faiza Alwy, Deutsche Bank. Speaker 1100:36:48Yes. Hi. Thank you so much. Elizabeth, I just first wanted to clarify and confirm that there's no changes to your margin expectations by segment. I don't think you gave those for the year. Speaker 1100:37:02I think we talked about sort of low to mid single digit operating margin for the full service business and maybe 25% to 30% for backup care. Are we in a similar ballpark style? Speaker 300:37:17Yes. So I think I caught that. We were just having a little bit of microphone issue here. But I think the question on margins for the rest of the year, yes, we would expect backup to continue to be very similar to or not continue to be, but to be for the full year, very similar to where we were in 2023. It will be an elevated level of margin in Q4 compared to the rest of the year. Speaker 300:37:44So, north of 30% we would expect in the quarter, but for the full year in that similar range to where we were in 2023. Full service margins improving from where we were in Q3, still low single digits, but improving from where we are in this quarter. I would note one element we've talked a bit about this overhead, the distribution of overhead between the segments and it's a little bit of a headwind to full service this quarter about 75 basis points. It's a little bit of a tailwind to back up about 175 basis points of tailwind to back up. And so that similar effect would impact them in Q4 and then that will be behind us as we get into 2025. Speaker 300:38:32But broadly speaking, high end and sort of high teens to low double low 20s in the advertising business. Speaker 1100:38:42Okay, great. Thank you. And then hopefully you can still hear me, but I wanted to ask about you gave some color around 20 25 enrollment growth and pricing. And I'm curious if you think there's opportunity to take additional pricing. It seems to me opportunity to take additional pricing. Speaker 1100:39:00It seems to me that the category is Speaker 300:39:04a Speaker 1100:39:04little bit less elastic more broadly, but would love to hear your views on how you're thinking about your pricing strategies? Speaker 300:39:16Yes. I mean, we are I think we're always mindful of the balance in the pricing against the drive for being able to deliver the service and growing enrollment. It has been an environment where we've seen elevated cost structure that we are frankly still working our way through. We made investments in wages and we want to continue to maintain that discipline on price to wage. But we are seeing an environment where we think it varies center by center as you've heard us talk about. Speaker 300:39:52But broadly speaking, the strategy would be to recognize that inflation has tapered some and taking price increase on average with a little bit lower than what we saw this year. We have a time to make those decisions. They're certainly coming up to some January price actions and some April price actions. So we have time to consider those, but that's our general thinking at this point. Speaker 1100:40:21Great. Thank you so much. Operator00:40:27And our next question comes from Harold Anter, Jefferies. Harold, please proceed with your question. Speaker 1200:40:43Hello, sorry, double muted. Yes, this is Harold Lato on for Stephanie Moore. Just on the U. K, I know you've been seeing improvements there. But if you could just provide us with how things are trending there, employment levels there, wage inflation there compared to the U. Speaker 1200:41:02S. And then I guess if you could give us an update on the percentage of centers that you have in the U. K. Now because I know you've been closing centers and with them being on the lowest cohort, just wanted to get a sense of how that's trending. Thank you. Speaker 300:41:22I'll take the closure question. I'm sorry I didn't Speaker 200:41:25I can start with the first piece, which it's fair to say that the UK performance was largely in line with our expectations in the quarter. It was certainly a nice improvement year on year. We talked about the fact that 2023 was a very challenging year in the UK. And so year over year, we've made some good progress. I think we had called out in 2023 that we're going to lose in the full service business about $30,000,000 and we've cut that in half this year. Speaker 200:42:01And so we feel good about the progress that we're making in the UK with still progress to be made. And then maybe Olga will comment on the closure side. Speaker 300:42:12Yes. So we have closed a number of centers this year. We're on track globally to close plusminus 50 centers overall. And the U. K. Speaker 300:42:23Has been certainly part of that strategy rationalizing the portfolio there. We have still circled up some that will are on the docket for closure in 2020 5, but at this point Okay. Speaker 100:42:38For this year close to 15% to 20% or so of this year's closures was in the UK. And when you look at that bottom cohort, Harold, as Stephen mentioned earlier, about the P and L centers in that bottom cohort, about 40% or so are in the U. K, weighted more toward the U. K. There, particularly in the Q3. Speaker 100:42:59But as Elizabeth said, we have some centers that we will we circle it up to close here in Q4 and then also in 2025 in the U. K, if you look to optimize that portfolio there. Speaker 1000:43:14Thank Speaker 1200:43:14you. And then I guess just on the inflation side that you're seeing in the U. K, would you say that it's in line with the U. S? Or would you be pricing a little bit more aggressively in the U. Speaker 1200:43:30K? Just anything there? Thank you. Speaker 300:43:34Yes. So the figure that I gave was a general average around our global operations. So it will vary by both geography and there may be some parts of the U. K. Where we aim a little bit higher and others where we aim lower, but that was encompassing a global view. Speaker 300:43:54Inflation in the U. K. Has been tapering as well. I don't have right hand the exact comparison to the U. S, but we certainly seen some of the particularly acute areas like energy and food have some of that pressure has come out of the environment, but services still remain high and there Speaker 100:44:13are a number of Speaker 300:44:14pressures on the labor side that we continue to balance with the tuition increases that we do considering the challenges of the overall labor environment supply as well as wage. Speaker 200:44:30Okay. Great. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you all very much for joining the call and have a great pre election evening.Read morePowered by