Carlyle Secured Lending Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 6, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Carlyle Secured Lending, Inc. 3rd Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session.

Operator

Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Nishal Mehta, Head of Shareholder Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to Carlisle's Secured Lending's conference call to discuss the earnings results for Q3 of 2024. I'm joined by Justin Plough, our Chief Executive Officer and Tom Hennigan, our Chief Financial Officer. Last night, we filed our Form 10 Q and issued a press release with a presentation of our results, which are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Following our remarks today, we will hold a question and answer session for analysts and institutional investors. This call is being webcast and a replay will be available on our website.

Speaker 1

Any forward looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance and any undue reliance should not be placed on them. Today's conference call may include forward looking statements reflecting our views with respect to, among other things, the timing or likelihood of the closing of the proposed merger, the expected synergies associated with the proposed merger, the ability to realize the anticipated benefits of the proposed merger and our future operating results and financial performance. These statements are based on current management expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the Risk Factors section of our 10 ks and our 10 Qs. These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated. CGBD assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements at any time.

Speaker 1

During this conference call, the company may discuss certain non GAAP measures as defined by SEC Regulation G, such as adjusted net investment income or adjusted NII. The company's management believes adjusted net investment income, adjusted net investment income per share, adjusted net income and adjusted net income per share are useful to investors as additional tool to evaluate ongoing results and trends for the company without giving effect to one time or non recurring events and are used by management to evaluate the economic earnings of the company. A reconciliation of GAAP net investment income per share, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure to adjusted NII, can be found in the accompanying slide presentation for this call. In addition, reconciliation of these measures may also be found in our earnings release filed last night with the SEC on Form 8 ks. With that, I'll turn the call over to Justin, CGBD's Chief Executive Officer.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Nishal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for joining. I'm Justin Plop, the CEO of the Carlyle BDCs and Deputy CIO for Global Credit at Carlyle. On today's call, I'll give an overview of our Q3 2024 results and discuss the quarter's investment activity and portfolio positioning. I'll then hand the call over to our CFO, Tom Hennigan.

Speaker 2

In the Q3, our financial performance continued to benefit from stable credit performance as well as the higher base rate environment. During the quarter, we generated net investment income of $0.47 per share and adjusted net investment income of $0.49 per share after adjusting for certain accelerated debt issuance costs related to our CLO reset. Our adjusted NII represents an annualized yield of nearly 12% based on our ninethirty NAV. Our Board of Directors declared a total 4th quarter dividend of $0.45 per share consisting of our base dividend of $0.40 plus a $0.05 supplemental dividend. Our net asset value as of September 30 was relatively flat at $16.85 per share down modestly from the prior quarter.

Speaker 2

Deal activity has continued to strengthen in the second half of twenty twenty four, while repricing activity continued, new issue spreads stabilized in the Q3. This is despite the persistence of increased competition and cross market refinancings between the broadly syndicated and private credit markets. Our originations in the Q3 were up significantly year over year and our pipeline continues to grow. We expect volumes to remain strong in 2025 as the M and A pipeline expands. We continue to benefit from the One Carlyle platform, which differentiates us in the core middle market.

Speaker 2

While increasing origination activity is a positive for our strategy, we remain focused on overall credit performance and maintaining a highly diversified portfolio. As of September 30, our portfolio is comprised of 175 investments in 128 companies across more than 25 industries. The average exposure in any single portfolio company is less than 1% and 94% of our investments are in senior secured loans. The median EBITDA across our core portfolio at quarter end was $85,000,000 As always, discipline and consistency drove performance in the 3rd quarter and we expect these tenants to drive performance in future quarters. I'll now hand the call over to our CFO, Tom Hennigan.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Justin. Today, I'll begin with an overview of our Q3 financial results. Then I'll discuss portfolio performance before concluding with detail on our balance sheet positioning. CGBD had another strong quarter on the earnings front. Total investment income for the Q3 was $56,000,000 modestly lower compared to prior quarter due primarily to a lower average portfolio balance and lower weighted average yields.

Speaker 3

Total expenses of $31,000,000 were flat versus prior quarter as one time expenses associated with the CLO reset offset reduced total interest expense for both a lower average outstanding debt balance and lower rates. The result was net investment income for the Q3 of $24,000,000 or $0.47 per share. Importantly, adjusted for the expenses associated with the CLO reset, adjusted NII was $25,000,000 or $0.49 per share. Our Board of Directors declared the dividends for the Q4 of 2024 at a total level of $0.45 per share. That's comprised of the $0.40 base dividend plus a $0.05 supplemental dividend, which is payable to stockholders of record as of the close of business on December 31.

Speaker 3

This total dividend reflects our variable supplemental dividend policy of paying out at least 50% of excess earnings, which allows us to be flexible as the portfolio evolves and base rates fluctuate. Our base dividend coverage of 118 percent for the quarter remains in line with the BDC peer set average and we've consistently out earned our dividend resulting in $1.40 per share of cumulative spillover. At the same time, the total dividend level also represents an attractive yield of nearly 11% based on the recent share price. And looking ahead, we remain confident in our ability to meet and exceed our $0.40 base dividend. That said, the combination of expected lower base rates, tighter new issue spreads and portfolio repricing activity, we do expect to see some contraction in earnings in coming quarters relative to the historical highs we've achieved over the last 2 years.

Speaker 3

On valuations, our total aggregate realized and unrealized net loss was about $5,000,000 for the quarter. The largest contributor was a decline in value at one of the positions in our MMCF JV. However, we successfully exited that position last month at a price materially higher than our 9.30 valuation. And of note, some of our legacy healthcare names continue to improve, highlighted by incremental markups on SPF and Bayside. Turning to credit performance, we continue to see overall stability in credit quality across the portfolio.

Speaker 3

And as previewed on last quarter's call, non accruals decreased to only 0.6% of total investments at fair value as we exited our investment in emergency communications at a price in line with our 6.30 fair value. And we continue to work towards favorable solutions with the other 2 borrowers currently on non accrual status. I'll finish by touching on our financing facilities and leverage. It's been a busy last few months as we continue to improve our positioning on the right side of our balance sheet. As mentioned on last quarter's call in early July, we closed a reset of 20 fifteen-one CLO, extending the reinvestment period and maturity date by 4 years and reducing the cost of debt by more than 20 basis points within that vehicle.

Speaker 3

In September, we successfully received investment grade ratings from both Moody's and Fitch. And then in October, we issued $300,000,000 of unsecured notes with a 6.75% fixed rate, which we swapped to a floating interest rate of SOFR plus 3.23 beginning in August 2025. This transaction further diversifies our financing sources and will repay the 2024 unsecured notes that mature in December, while providing additional capital to fund new investment opportunities. At quarter end, statutory leverage was about 1.05 times and net financial leverage was about 0.9 times. With leverage at the low end of our target range of 0.9 times to 1.25 times, we have capacity to deploy capital into attractive opportunities in an accelerating deal environment.

Speaker 3

With that, I'll turn the call back over to Justin.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tom. As a final point, I'd like to report that the merger between CGBD and Carlyle Secured Lending 3 announced on our Q2 earnings call remains on track to close by the end of the Q1 of 2025 subject to approval from CGBD stockholders and satisfaction or waiver of other customary closing conditions. We continue to have high conviction in the strategic benefits the transaction will provide to CGBD, including an increase in scale and liquidity, a reduction in cost from operational efficiencies and accretion to both earnings and NAV per share. As a reminder, Carlyle has agreed to exchange its existing convertible preferred shares for common stock at a price of NAV rather than the existing dilutive conversion price of $8.92 which will occur shortly before close of the proposed merger. We believe that this exchange is shareholder friendly and demonstrates Carlyle's support for the ongoing success of CGBD.

Speaker 2

We expect to distribute proxy materials related to the merger in the coming months and urge all stockholders to vote in the merger approval process upon receiving a formal notification. As we look toward year end, market demand for private credit remains strong. We continue to focus on sourcing transactions with significant equity cushions, conservative leverage profiles and attractive spreads relative to market levels. With attractive new originations, a stable portfolio and low non accruals, CGBD stockholders are benefiting from the continued execution of our strategy. As always, we remain committed to delivering a resilient, stable cash flow stream to our investors through consistent income and solid credit performance.

Speaker 2

I'd like to now hand the call over to the operator to take your questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank Our first question comes from the line of Bryce Roe from B. Riley.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning. Wanted to just maybe start on the outlook from a portfolio perspective and just get a feel for what the pipeline kind of looks like right now and any thoughts around balance sheet leverage at this point? I think you highlighted that you're at a relatively low point from a balance sheet leverage perspective. And the sister BDC is to the best of my knowledge carrying even lower leverage.

Speaker 4

So just wanted to get a feel for how that could ramp as the 2 BDCs possibly come together, especially in light of some of the commentary around M and A picking up?

Speaker 3

Yes, sure. Bryce, this is Justin. Excuse me.

Speaker 2

I'll take the sort of macro question and then maybe I'll ask Tom to talk about the balance sheet leverage. So the short answer is we're optimistic. Our originations were up last quarter. I think the pipeline I would characterize as meaningful and increasing. We certainly expect M and A activity to continue to pick up in Q4 and in the Q1 of next year.

Speaker 2

So we're very, very focused on the deployment that we need to do prior to the merger. And I think that the market is it's coming our way in that respect in terms of deal volume. Now of course, there is downward pressure on spreads, but that's market wide phenomenon. We're really focused on deploying it to great credits and that's really what we're going to try to do over the next 6 months. Specifically on the amount of leverage, Tom, do you want to comment on that where we are?

Speaker 3

Yes, absolutely, Bryce. And our target at merger close is 1.1 across the combined entities. And as of 930.9 atcgbd. But right now our pipeline, Justin noted, very solid on the new deal front. Repayments looking a little bit lighter this quarter, at least that's our current crystal ball So right now we're closer to 0.95 times and by quarter end we think we'll be north of 1.0, at least that's based on our current visible pipeline right now.

Speaker 3

So we think we're well on our way to achieving that 1.1 rough target when we get to the merger consummation in the Q1.

Speaker 4

Okay. And Tom, just to be clear, the 0.95 and the 1.0 comment you just made that is just CGBD specific or is that pro form a?

Speaker 3

Just CGBD.

Speaker 4

Yes. Okay. And then maybe just some commentary around the repayment volume. Certainly appreciate that the pipeline looks strong. And as you progress towards the end of the year, deals are coming together from an origination perspective.

Speaker 4

Is that continuing are you continuing to see pressure from a repayment perspective? I think if I just kind of look at maybe the last 7 quarters, you've had kind of repayments that have outpaced originations. So just trying to get a feel for how that could change in the dynamic that will make that change?

Speaker 3

Yes. We do see that reversing this quarter based on just higher overall volume on the new deal side and then difficult to time repayments, but at least as of right now in terms of known repayments in the book, it's lighter this quarter than it's been the last couple of quarters.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then Justin, you made a comment kind of early in your prepared remarks about spreads stabilizing. I think we've heard a lot about spread compression in the space and have heard a couple of comments here recently that spreads feel like they're stabilizing. Any maybe expand that comment for us a little bit if you don't mind?

Speaker 2

Sure. I mean, I would say that for our typical 1st lien or unitranche deals, we did see significant reduction in kind of the 12 months ending in the summer at the

Speaker 3

end of

Speaker 2

Q2. Since then stabilization in the let's call it SOFR 500 to 550 area that we seem to be sticking there a little bit. Now who knows what the future will bring. And I will say that as rates go down, if they go down more towards the kind of 4% terminal value that the market is predicting, we may even see spreads widen out a little bit of history as Eddie indicated. Typically, when we see reductions in base rates, we do get a little bit of spread widening.

Speaker 2

So I think there's reason to believe based on the deal flow that we have and based on the reduction in rates in September and maybe tomorrow, that spreads may stick where they are and maybe even widen a little bit.

Speaker 3

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Melissa Weddle from JPMorgan.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions today. You've addressed a lot of them. I was hoping that you could touch on trends that you're seeing just in terms of fundamentals. And I apologize I missed it earlier.

Speaker 5

But in terms of revenue growth and EBITDA, what are you seeing within the portfolio? And what are you seeing within the opportunity set, to deploy new capital?

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say fundamentals are strong. The companies in our book as a general matter and they continue to grow revenue, they continue to grow EBITDA across the market, the level of distress is on the lower end. There are always credits that we're eyeing, of course, that have idiosyncratic issues. But across the book, I would say it's a relatively benign credit environment.

Speaker 2

Companies seem to have survived the significant rise in rates over the past couple of years, generically better than I think the market expected. So from a credit perspective, we're relatively pleased with where the market is and the new opportunities we're seeing. We're seeing good companies. There are strong credits. We like the companies we're seeing.

Speaker 2

I'd characterize the market overall right now as pretty constructive.

Speaker 5

Okay. And just to put maybe a finer point to it. In terms of revenue growth versus EBITDA growth across your portfolio generally, are you seeing one growing faster than the other? And any general range that you could provide? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Melissa, I think when you go back 2 years, 3 years when inflation started to hit, definitely the top line was growing faster than the bottom line. We saw 12 months, 18 months ago that reversed where finally margins were catching up and we saw margin expansion. So you go back a couple of quarters, we had revenue and EBITDA growth in the low single digit low double digits, 10%, 12%. We've seen that slow down a little bit and probably just based on inflationary pressures going away.

Speaker 3

So we're seeing those growth rates and margins stabilize in more than mid single digits. So still healthy growth, just probably not we'll call it the inflation driven higher overall growth rates we were seeing, let's say, a number of quarters back.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would now like to turn the conference back over to Justin Plough for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you everyone for joining us today. We really appreciate all your attention and we will speak with you next quarter. Thank you so much. That will conclude the call.

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