Beyond Meat Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 6, 2024

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Beyond Meat Third Quarter 20 24 Conference Call. All participants are in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Paul Shepherd, Vice President, FP and A and Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Hello, everyone, and thank you for your participation on today's call. Joining me are Ethan Brown, Founder, President and Chief Executive Officer and Luby Couture, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. By now, everyone should have access to our Q3 2024 earnings press release filed today after market close. This document is available in the Investor Relations section of Beyond Meat's website at www.beyondmeat.com.

Speaker 1

Before we begin, please note that all the information presented today is unaudited and that during the course of this call, management may make forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in these forward looking statements. Forward looking statements in our earnings release along with the comments on this call are made only as of today and will not be updated as actual events unfold. We refer you to today's press release, our quarterly reports on Form 10 Q for the quarter ended September 28, 2024 to be filed with the SEC and our annual report on Form 10 ks for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2023, along with other filings with the SEC for a detailed discussion of the risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward looking statements made today. Please also note that on today's call, management may reference adjusted EBITDA, adjusted loss from operations and adjusted net loss, which are non GAAP financial measures.

Speaker 1

While we believe these non GAAP financial measures provide useful information for investors, any reference to this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Please refer to today's press release for a reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures. And with that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ethan Brown.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Paul, and good afternoon, everyone. The Q3 marked another period of meaningful progress at Beyond Meat. We returned to growth, continued our gross margin expansion and reduced operating expenses to their lowest level in 4 years as we drive the business toward cash flow and profitability objectives. I'll briefly highlight these results before diving deeper into them as I review performance against our 5 priorities in 2024. Net revenues were $81,000,000 for the Q3 of 2024, reflecting a 7.6% increase year over year.

Speaker 2

Notably, compared to the year ago period, net revenue per pound rose 15.8%, including a 22.6% increase in our U. S. Retail channel net revenue per pound and a 10.5% increase in our international retail channel net revenue per pound. Increases were driven by a full quarter benefit of price increases on certain products in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Combined with substantially reduced trade discounts in both U. S. And international retail. These factors generate our highest net revenue per pound since the Q4 of 2022 and importantly, we saw simultaneous improvements in our year over year volume trends in 3 of our 4 sales channels, encouraging sign regarding price elasticity for our brand. These pricing and reduced promotional spending measures were joined by continued COGS improvement to strengthen gross margin, which rose to 17.7% compared to negative gross margin of 9.6% in the Q3 last year.

Speaker 2

Notably, this gross margin also represented a sequential improvement of 300 basis points visavishe2nd quarter of 2024. Operating expenses fell to $45,200,000 as we realized greater efficiencies throughout the organization. This marks a $17,200,000 reduction year over year. Operating expenses were also sequentially down $2,400,000 versus Q2 of 2024. Even as we continue to take measures to further tighten operating expenses, as we've articulated previously, the key goal for 2024 has been to bolster the balance sheet.

Speaker 2

We are not backing off this objective and expect to take measures yet this year to increase the company cash levels. I'd like to now turn to our 5 priorities for 2024. Our first priority is getting leaner and more efficient. Over the past few years, we continue to implement lean management practices and principles. This effort has enabled us to look at our business in new ways, establishing value streams with the intent of working across business functions to deliver higher value more quickly to our customers and consumers.

Speaker 2

Though we have miles to travel, we are seeing proof points. We generated higher gross profit, incurred lower operating expenses and posted a narrower adjusted EBITDA loss on both a year over year and sequential basis. Part of our lean implementation is narrowing the focus around products, markets, specific consumers and messages. Nowhere is this focus more evident than in our emphasis on helping consumers lead healthier lives to great tasting Beyond Meat products. This brings us to our 2nd priority, this year's launch of Beyond 4, our 4th generation Beyond Burger, Beyond Beef and Beyond Dinner sausage.

Speaker 2

As you will recall, these core platforms reflect years of research and development that successfully advanced both taste and nutrition, resulting in recognition by leading health organizations with the products being included in the American Diabetes Association's evidence based nutritional guidelines for its Better Choices for Life program and the American Heart Association's Heart Check Recipe Certification Program. Beyond 4 Burger and Beef products blend protein from yellow peas, brown rice, red lentils and fava beans with avocado oil to deliver 21 grams of clean protein with just 2 grams of saturated fat. By comparison, that's 75% less saturated fat than equivalently sized eightytwenty beef burger. Similarly, Beyond 4 dinner sausage blends protein from yellow peas and brown rice together with avocado oil also delivering 75% less saturated fat than equivalently sized pork sausage. We believe that Beyond 4's clear health messaging and premium ingredients are contributing to our return to growth, where for example, we are seeing year over year increases in base velocity in certain large retailers of our flagship 2 pack burger product.

Speaker 2

Further, we are expanding consumer choice by diversifying our portfolio in new ways. Shortly after our Beyond 4 launch, we introduced Beyond Sun Sausage in 3 delicious and bold flavors. This is the first product that is not intended to replicate beef, pork or poultry and delivers 12 grams of protein from yellow peas, brown rice, fava beans and red lentils with only 1 gram of saturated fat from avocado oil. Beyond Sun Sausage also earned the emblem of the American Heart Association's Heart Check program and the American Diabetes Association's Better Choices for Life program. Recently, we were pleased to showcase for media a product that has been in the works for many years in the Beyond Meat's rapid and relentless innovation program, our whole muscle steak line, Beyond Steak Fillet.

Speaker 2

Beyond Steak Fillet is made with mycelium, a root like structure found in mushrooms, legume protein and a limited number of natural ingredients. I personally love this product not only for its texture and savory taste, but its concise and clean ingredient list coupled with very high levels of protein contrasted with very low levels of saturated fat. More generally, you will increasingly hear Beyond Meat proudly share the process we use to make our delicious plant based meats. The weaponization of the word process, a tactic emphasized in the incumbent industry playbook on how to undermine plant based meat and preserve the status quo has grown long in the tooth. It is past time we put it to bed.

Speaker 2

We plan to do that by applying generous amounts of sunlight to our own process, educating consumers on how we build meat directly from plants. It's a clean process. It's a process that's elegant in its simplicity and it's a process that produces better outcomes for the human body and earth. I'll take a moment here to explain how we make our currently available steak products, Beyond Steak Tips, a delicious and award winning product that graced the cover of Time Magazine upon launch and is available at retailers nationwide. Farmers, including those in the states of North Dakota and Montana grow fava beans.

Speaker 2

The fava beans are harvested and milled and the resulting flour is placed in an air chamber where reflecting different densities and sizes, protein and starch separate. Together with tighter wheat gluten and water, the protein is then run through heating, cooling and pressure. These simple steps of heating, cooling and pressure shape the proteins into the familiar form of muscle or meat. We then mix in natural flavors, colors from vegetable juice and oil. The result is a high protein, low saturated fat product that is clean and processed and label and has earned recognition from the American Heart Association, the American Diabetes Association, the Clean Label Project and has been given Good Housekeeping's Seal of Nutrition.

Speaker 2

This process is one that should indeed be marketed, it should be celebrated in fact. Simply put, it is a better and simpler process than that of industrial factory farmed meat and we expect consumers to agree once they know the facts. One final update on products. Leading up to this re launch, Panda Express initially reintroduced beyond the original orange chicken at 300 stores and recently expanded distribution to nearly 600 locations. It's a delicious product and one I hope you'll go try if you haven't already.

Speaker 2

Our third priority is to support improved gross margin through our U. S. Trade and pricing programs. We are making good progress and the results speak for themselves. As I said earlier, between our pricing actions and significant moderation in trade, net revenue per pound in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Retail channel rose 22.6% as compared to the year ago period. Moreover, we were pleased to see that in aggregate, unit volume stayed well within our expected elasticity range. We are encouraged that the consumer sees value in our products, including in our use of premium ingredients and that our messaging on taste, health and clean label is resonating. Turning now to our 4th priority, the consolidation of our production network, which has substantially been completed on the manufacturing side.

Speaker 2

And in recent months, we've been rationalizing the warehouse footprint that supported these facilities, exiting 5 warehouses in the first half of this year. We are now seeing the benefits in the form of reduced tolling fees, better asset utilization and inventory management, the freeing up of working capital, increased overhead absorption, production and logistic efficiencies and enhanced quality control. These initiatives to reduce COGS, which in Q3 of 2024 reached their lowest levels in just over 3 years, represent meaningful steps up the ladder toward restored and sustained higher gross margin. 5th, we are maintaining our investment focus in Europe and as discussed previously, we're recently able to meet certain shelf life requirements necessary to expand our retail reach in the EU. As a reminder, heretofore, we have been substantially unable to access the retail category in certain attractive EU markets, particularly Germany, where plant based meats are largely refrigerated at a temperature that precluded our participation.

Speaker 2

Having worked several years to meet shelf life requirements, we are thrilled to now be in German retailers, Germany being one of the strongest, in my view, plant based markets in the world. With a clear caution that it's very early days, we are seeing encouraging initial sell through in this important market. Turning now to our foodservice business in the EU. In France, McDonald's launched a new menu option Veggie McPlant nuggets in more than 1500 restaurants bringing our nuggets to one of McDonald's top European markets. The nuggets are currently planned to be a permanent menu addition with France joining Austria, Germany, Malta, the Netherlands, Slovenia, the U.

Speaker 2

K. And Ireland and going beyond at McDonald's. Lastly, on behalf of all Beyond Meat employees, we are thankful to be included in Fortune's 2024 Change the World list, the prestigious recognition of the top 52 global companies shaping the future by making a positive social impact. As I look back, the Q3 of 2024 serves

Speaker 3

as a pivotal quarter

Speaker 2

in our company's history. When we went public in 2019, for a short period, it appeared that a disruption of protein markets would proceed unimpeded and would cross the chasm from nice to mainstream without a hitch. Turbulence, much of it generated by a concerted campaign supported by incumbent animal protein and pharmaceutical industries, destabilized the slipstream within which we traveled and we fell from considerable heights. From this challenging vantage point, we faced a fundamental choice on how to respond. And as I've said before, we responded by letting iron sharpen iron.

Speaker 2

We chose to get stronger, including moving our products along the continuum from relative to absolute health benefits, most notably in our Beyond 4 platform and its broad endorsements from leading health institutions and we got leaner and more focused. Today, we are pleased to report a quarter of solid growth, our highest gross margin and lowest cost of goods sold in 3 years and our lowest operating expenses in 4 years. I am more than proud of the team that is delivering these results. Each of me was writing history. I've done my fair share of looking to history to help me understand the arc and outcome of disruptions from the growth of mechanized ice to the sputtering and then commanding rise of alternative energy technology in electric vehicles.

Speaker 2

And to my team, I tell you that history will not only include you, but will reward you for pioneering that which the consumer and the world alike needs. Our journey has not been for the faint of heart, yet our time is ahead of us and we face it wiser, stronger and ready to compete and win as we drive Beyond Meat forward. With that, I look forward to taking your questions later. I will now turn the call over to Luby.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Ethan, and good afternoon, everyone. Before reviewing our quarterly financial results and updating our full year outlook, I would just like to note that Ethan was recently recognized on the inaugural The Independent Climate 100 List 2024. This accolades celebrates 100 global leaders making transformative contributions to the environment. Ethan's inclusion reflects his passion, innovation and visionary leadership in reducing the environmental footprint of global food systems and championing sustainable diets worldwide. On behalf of everyone here at Beyond Meat, we applaud his unwavering commitment to tackling climate change.

Speaker 4

Now let's get to our Q3 results. Net revenues increased 7.6 percent to $81,000,000 in the Q3 of 2024 compared to $75,300,000 in the year ago period, representing our Q1 of year over year growth since the Q1 of 2022. The increase in net revenues was primarily driven by a 15.8% increase in net revenue per pound, partially offset by a 7.1% decrease in volume of products sold. The increase in net revenue per pound was primarily driven by lower trade discounts, price increases of certain of our products and changes in product sales mix, partially offset by unfavorable changes in foreign currency exchange rates. We are pleased to see a sequential improvement in our year over year volume trends despite a tougher year ago comp and a significant increase in net price realization.

Speaker 4

Breaking this down by channel, U. S. Retail channel net revenue increased 14.6 percent to $35,000,000 in the Q3 of 2024 compared to $30,500,000 in the year ago period. The increase in net revenue was primarily due to a 22.6% increase in net revenue per pound, partially offset by a 6.6% decrease in volume of products sold, reflecting soft category demand and price elasticity effects. The increase in net revenue per pound was primarily driven by lower trade discounts and pricing actions, partially offset by changes in product sales mix.

Speaker 4

U. S. Foodservice channel net revenues increased 15.5% year over year to $14,500,000 in the Q3 of 2024, primarily due to a 7.9% increase in volume of products sold and a 7% increase in net revenue per pound. Volume sold benefited from sales of chicken products to a U. S.

Speaker 4

QSR customer that did not occur in the year ago period, while the increase in net revenue per pound was primarily driven by pricing actions and changes in product sales mix, partially offset by higher trade discounts. International retail channel net revenues increased 17 percent to $16,600,000 in the Q3 of 2024, driven by a 10.5% increase in net revenue per pound and a 6% increase in volume of products sold. The increase in net revenue per pound primarily reflected lower trade discounts and changes in product sales mix, partially offset by price changes of certain products and unfavorable changes in foreign currency exchange rates. Volume sold benefited from distribution gains and increased demand for our products in certain geographic regions. Lastly, international foodservice channel net revenues decreased 17.2% to $15,000,000 in the Q3 of 2024, primarily due to a 22.1% decrease in volume of products sold, largely reflecting decreased sales of burger and chicken products to a large QSR customer in the EU.

Speaker 4

The decrease in volume was partially offset by a 6.2% increase in net revenue per pound, driven by lower trade discounts and pricing actions, partially offset by changes in product sales mix and unfavorable changes in foreign currency exchange rates. Gross profit in the Q3 of 2024 was $14,300,000 or gross margin of 17.7 percent compared to a loss of $7,300,000 or gross margin of negative 9.6 percent in a year ago period. As Ethan noted, this was our highest quarterly gross margin since the Q3 of 2021 and our lowest COGS per pound since the Q2 of that year. In addition to the benefit from net price realization, gross margin in the Q3 of 2024 was also positively impacted by decreased cost per pound resulting from lower inventory provision, reduced logistics costs and lower materials cost per pound. Overall, our cost of production continues to benefit from our network consolidation measures and more efficient inventory management.

Speaker 4

We are commissioning additional finished good production capabilities at our facility in Pennsylvania, which we expect will drive further COGS savings in 2025 and beyond. Turning to operating expenses. Total operating expenses were $45,200,000 in the Q3 of 2024 compared to $62,400,000 in the year ago period. The decrease in operating expenses was primarily due to reduced general and administrative expenses, including a $2,000,000 insurance recovery benefit, reduced non production salaries and related costs and reduced selling expenses. As a result and combined with the year over year improvement in gross profit, loss from operations decreased to $30,900,000 in the Q3 of 2024 compared to $69,600,000 in the year ago period, an improvement of nearly $40,000,000 year over year.

Speaker 4

Below the line, total other income net increased $5,100,000 year over year, primarily reflecting unrealized foreign currency transaction gains, leading to a net loss of $26,600,000 in the Q3 of 2024 compared to $70,500,000 in the year ago period. Net loss per common share was $0.41 in the Q3 of 2024 compared to $1.09 in the year ago period. Adjusted EBITDA was a loss of $19,800,000 or negative 24.4 percent of net revenues in the Q3 of 2024 compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $57,500,000 or negative 76.3 percent of net revenues in the year ago period. Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow highlights. Our cash and cash equivalents balance, including restricted cash, was $134,900,000 and total outstanding debt was $1,100,000,000 as of quarterend on September 28, 2024.

Speaker 4

Inventory increased by approximately $5,600,000 quarter over quarter to $125,200,000 primarily driven by an intentional decision to increase stocking levels of certain finished goods items. However, our overall inventory levels remain substantially below year ago amounts. Looking at cash usage for the quarter, although total cash consumption increased versus the Q2 of this year, our cash conversion cycle and working capital efficiency reflect substantial improvements from prior years. The sequential increase in cash consumption in the Q3 partly reflected large orders from some customers in Q2 ahead of anticipated price increases and promotional periods, which resulted in smaller replenishment of orders and cash collections in Q3. Overall, net cash used in operating activities was $69,900,000 in the nine months ended September 28, 2024 compared to $79,300,000 in the year ago period.

Speaker 4

Capital expenditures totaled $4,500,000 in the 9 months ended September 28, 2024 compared to $8,600,000 in the year ago period. In the 9 months ended September 28, 2024, net cash used by investing activities included $4,100,000 in proceeds from sales of fixed assets compared to $2,500,000 in the year ago period. Finally, I'll conclude my remarks by commenting on our full year outlook, which we are updating as follows. Net revenues for the full year 2024 are 2024 are expected to be in the range of $320,000,000 to $330,000,000 Gross margin is expected to be in the mid teens range. Operating expenses, excluding the $7,500,000 expense relating to the consumer class action settlement accrued in the Q1 of 2024 are expected to be in the range of $180,000,000 to $190,000,000 and capital expenditures are expected to be in the range of $10,000,000 to $15,000,000 Lastly, with regard to our balance sheet, we expect to add additional liquidity through our ATM program by the end of the year and we'll continue to evaluate other alternatives to bolster our balance sheet even further in the New Year.

Speaker 4

And with that, I'll turn the call over to the operator to open it up for your questions. Thank you.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question is from Peter Saleh with BTIG. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks for taking the question. I did want to ask maybe on the gross margin today. The 17.7% rate, it was nice to see a pretty nice improvement there on the gross margin. Can you just give us a sense of if sales stay where they are and given your projections, do you anticipate you think you can hold this type of gross margin as we head into 2025?

Speaker 5

Any thoughts on gross margin next year would be really helpful.

Speaker 2

Sure. No, this is Ethan and I'll take that. I appreciate you asking. So I think it is a function of all the work we've been doing around network consolidation, around reducing logistics costs, taking out material costs and better overhead absorption and things like that. And so I don't think that we would expect to move backwards at all.

Speaker 2

I think we continue to show progress in the margin, particularly in 2025, as we have an opportunity to make some smaller investments to increase efficiency in our plants. What you've seen us do, right, is take a very large network of co packers and be able to absorb that into our own footprint with the exception of 2 additional co packers. And in doing so, that's really what's driven that reduction in COGS. And then of course, you have on top of that, the higher pricing and then significantly reduced trade. So all of those things I expect to hold and only improve in 2025.

Speaker 5

Great. And then just as a quick follow-up on the capital raise. Luby, I don't know if there's any more color you can provide in terms of I know you said before year end, so I know here we are a couple of months out. But any more color in terms of how you may go about this or how much you think you may need? And are you thinking you'll raise enough capital just to get you through 2025 and 26 or further?

Speaker 5

Just any other additional color would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker 6

Yes, sure. Yes, look, what we said, right, is that we do intend to add additional cash to the balance sheet before the end of the year. And obviously, the ATM is a vehicle that we have in place that will allow us to do that. But we also did talk about and we've been discussing this now for the last couple of calls about how we're looking to bolster and restructure the balance sheet, right? And so that's probably more of a holistic restructuring of the balance sheet.

Speaker 6

We've been working towards that throughout the year. Frankly, the discussions have taken a little bit longer than we initially anticipated, and so we now expect that to carry over into 2025. But that's something we're certainly focused on. We're not going to, at this point, get into how much we may be looking to raise before the end of the year, etcetera. But I'll just reiterate that, yes, we do intend to put additional liquidity on the balance sheet before the end of the year, and then we're still looking at a more holistic sort of balance sheet restructuring at some point in next year.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Ben Tarrerare with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question, Ethan, Louie. Hi, Ben.

Speaker 2

Hi, Ben.

Speaker 7

Hi, Ben. How are you? So first question maybe was, I'd like to follow-up a little bit on what we're seeing and like Nielsen IRR, II and so on data, because it felt like the performance, particularly volume, was a little worse in U. S. Retail than what you reported.

Speaker 7

So help us maybe reconcile what some of the data showing and then that being so much off from what you just reported in the quarter that just to kind of like helping understand this, what's the sell in, sell out? What might be doing that that maybe the turnover of product from into Beyond 4.0 and so on? So just to help us understand that one, that would be my first piece of question.

Speaker 2

Sure, sure. So I mean, I think, first of all, if you look at the composition of the year over year growth, I think roughly 16% of that in retail is due to an increase in the net revenue per pound. And that was offset by about a 7% decrease in volume sold. And so overall, you have that 15% increase in retail. And I think then you go to foodservice, you see a 15.5% increase, and then international is up 70%.

Speaker 2

We had on the national foodservice side, some turbulence that we can walk you through. But overall, 3 of the 4 segments showing really good growth year over year. What's happening in U. S. Retail is exactly what you, I think, alluded to, which is there's a mismatch between consumption data and sell in data.

Speaker 2

And so we are seeing the benefit of some changes out in retail distribution that allows us to add in revenue that is not necessarily appearing right now in consumption data. Also some of the recording, whether it's spins, etcetera, isn't picking up all of the volume that we pick up in our retail numbers. And so that accounts for some of the difference. But the main one is what you just articulated in asking your question. There's a difference between sell in and the consumption data.

Speaker 2

And so I think you should see more of a true up in the Q4. But overall, I mean, I do want to just pause and give a general view on how well the business did this quarter. If you look at those growth rates, the 15% in retail, the nearly 16% in U. S. Foodservice, international is up 17%.

Speaker 2

If you look at the margin, again, rising to nearly 18% now. The COGS number that we produce was the lowest since 2021. Our operating expenses are the lowest in 4 years. And how that's showing in the income statement, I think is important to look at. We were able to take out a substantial amount of operating expense to bring it down to $45,200,000 which basically cut operating losses more than half once you take into consideration the impact of that gross profit and the reduction in operating expense.

Speaker 2

And we're able to reduce net loss by 2 thirds as well as adjusted EBITDA loss also by 2 thirds. And so both the trajectory of that EBITDA loss as well as the pace, I think, is important to recognize. We're now down an EBITDA loss of 19.8%, on a year ago basis, we were at 57.5 So you can see a very steep curve moving in the right direction. And so that's why we feel so confident about our plan to bring the business into profitability. Can't say when, don't want to imply it's going to be anytime soon, but that is where we're headed.

Speaker 2

And all of these trends you're seeing, the growth, the increase in margin, the reduction in operating expense, and the substantial reductions in net loss and EBITDA loss, all move the business toward where we want it to be. And so I think I'll just take pause for a minute and congratulate the team on that as I did in my remarks.

Speaker 7

Okay, perfect. That was very clear and complete. And then just real quick following up on the foodservice volume impact that you had in the quarter with that large customer, whoever that might have been on the chicken product. Is that something that carries into the Q4 and beyond? Is that more of a structural problem?

Speaker 7

Or was this something one time in the quarter we should just take as a fact and then move on?

Speaker 2

Sure. So two things going on with chicken and foodservice or chicken and QSRs. 1 is the nearly doubling the store counts of Panda Express in the U. S. And then the other is the entry into France, 1500 new stores in McDonald's with them in Plant Nugget, which is our chicken nugget.

Speaker 2

And so those things we obviously do very favorably. There is noise in the Q3 data for international food service and it is driven as you've identified by large QSR and a couple of things are going on there. One is, we're seeing, in a particular economy that's undergoing its own challenges, we are substantially down in that restaurant in that economy. And so that's one thing that's driving it. The second is more of an inventory loading timing issue where due to some promotions that were being run by the customer in the Q2, they took on a lot of inventory.

Speaker 2

And so we're still seeing sell through of that inventory. And so that created more of a downturn. Those would be the major drivers for that particular customer.

Speaker 7

Okay, understood. Perfect. Thanks for that.

Operator

The next question is from Michael Lavery with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Good evening. Yes. Just was wondering if you could touch on pricing dynamics a little bit better. You had tried lowering price a couple of years ago and still had sales down and didn't really get the volume response.

Speaker 3

Here you've raised it and still have some volume pressure, but sales are up. I guess, 2 parts. 1, certainly seems like this is the better approach. Can you just maybe unpack any of what you've learned? But then also as far as maybe what the TAM in one sense looks like, lowering the price didn't seem to broaden the audience very well.

Speaker 3

Is it really a case of having a smaller target that can you can take pricing against, but that limits maybe how far your volume opportunity goes? It appears that way, is that a fair enough read or are you seeing something else?

Speaker 2

Question. So I've obviously thought a lot about this because we have gone through some interesting pricing moves and reactions. If I look back on what we call toward price parity, I'm not sure it would have mattered what we were pricing the product at the moment that we did that, given what the macroeconomic as well as sort of sector issues were. And so I don't think it really got a good read. There was so much other noise in terms of the campaigns that were being run against the category, incredible competition with all these different players coming in that didn't have great products.

Speaker 2

It kind of just there was a very difficult period for the category. So you couldn't really get great data on pricing that didn't have a lot of other variables in it that were hard to parse out. I will say this though that when we went to a more premium set of ingredients, avocado oil, the red lentils, the brown rice, the fava beans along with the LPs, stripped out certain things and offered the consumer Beyond 4, the elasticity we saw was really encouraging. Like if you look at we did a 22% increase in U. S.

Speaker 2

Retail and pricing, which precipitated only 6.6% decline in volume, right? And so that's a pretty good trade off. And I think it's important too to realize this is somewhat nuanced. It's not like we dropped price on everything and then raised price on everything. That price parity commitment that I made when we went public, we actually fulfilled it in certain markets and with certain customers.

Speaker 2

We are selling to certain customers at a price that is at least I'd say in range with the animal protein equivalent. And so we'll continue to do that where it makes sense for us and where we can still earn decent margin. And so if you think about that, it's really in the foodservice sector, it's some of our largest customers. We can afford to because of the volume, because of the broader relationships, etcetera, we can afford to be more aggressive and go toward price parity. So I think the answer that I'd give to the last part of your question about does this sort of present a niche market where it's only highly affluent people who are buying product.

Speaker 2

Our portfolio is distributed in a certain way, right? And so we have these much lower cost of goods sold products that we can get into these very large accounts, right? And so we'll continue to pursue that angle. But when we introduce a premium product with premium ingredients where the supply chain is still nascent for us, we're going to offer that at a premium price. Over time, you'll see us retire that version, be able to offer more competitive pricing on it and introduce the next version.

Speaker 2

So I don't think this is a case of like, yes, Viomi has just decided to become a niche brand going after affluent customers. It's much more diverse than that, much more nuanced than that in our pricing.

Speaker 3

That's really helpful. And just a follow-up on some of the SKU rationalizations you announced, which if I remember right, we're really getting underway about a year ago. Is that all pretty well done other than kind of ordinary excuse me, clean up and tidying up or should we keep some of that in mind still going forward?

Speaker 2

I think that's exactly what I think about. There's going to be trimming here and there and things of that nature. We obviously want to be maximizing revenue on the smallest number of products that we can. But there's no immediate plans to do any major discontinuation. In fact, you're seeing us do some, I think, interesting product extensions.

Speaker 2

And if you look at what we launched, it sprouts, what we call the Sun sausage, very high end, very clean ingredient lists. It gets 1 gram of saturated fat that's from avocado oil, good serving of protein, 4 different proteins, red lentils, brown rice, yellow peas, and fava beans. That's doing really well at Sprouts. We were really pleased to see the reaction to that. And then we're going to be expanding distribution on that soon and make an announcement there.

Speaker 2

So where it makes sense for us, we are continuing to expand the portfolio, and particularly toward this health narrative that we've really emphasized and has become a defining differentiation for our brand across the category. We will make tough choices on ingredients and on the overall guardrails that we use to make sure that the customer feels really great about the products they're having and that you see more and more of our products are having the American Heart Association recipe certification program, having more of the American Diabetes Association, clean label project certifications, things of that nature. So when it makes sense to expand that direction, we'll keep doing it.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question is from Ken Goldman with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, thanks and good afternoon. Just a follow-up on Ben's question about the gap between U. S. Retail shipments and Nielsen this quarter. And Ethan, I realize you're saying that some of the outlets we use aren't picking up all of the volume.

Speaker 8

But is it reasonable for us to kind of model a fairly steep reversal in this part of your business in 4Q? And is that if so, is that the main reason why you're guiding to what looks like kind of roughly flattish sales year on year? Again, I understand the timing of shipments happens and so forth. So it's I'm really just trying to get a sense for how deep of a cut we should give to our volume number in the U. S.

Speaker 8

Retail business for the Q4?

Speaker 2

I was actually thinking it the other way, Ken, in the sense of my expectation is that the consumption numbers will start to catch up a little bit with our shipment numbers, because we're adding back in some distribution and things of that nature. But there's all this movement going on in the category from like the fresh section to the frozen section and some products are staying in frozen section, some are staying in the fresh section, some are going to frozen, some are coming out temporarily as they make that transition. So there's just all this movement. So I'd be cautious about giving you guidance on the 4th in terms of what that how that all shake out. But the general idea is that there were some gaps in distribution that occurred and then we're able to secure either new distribution or bring that distribution back on and that seems to be creating the most of the delta in the number.

Speaker 2

And I don't know if, Luby, you want to add to that or

Speaker 4

No, I think you covered it.

Speaker 8

Okay. So just to be and thank you for that Ethan. Just to be clear, the messaging is consumption should improve, but shipments I thought you were suggesting were higher than they otherwise might have been in the Q3. So is there a little bit of a lag in the Q4 on shipments? Sorry to keep hammering this.

Speaker 8

I just want to really get a sense for how much the gap because it was a pretty big gap, as Ben pointed out, in his question.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think it's that way to think about this is the consumption number should be more should be a better reflection of our shipment numbers. The gap should just be smaller. I'm not saying that there'll be any I don't think you'll see a massive fall off on our shipments. I think what you'll see is you'll see a moderation or sorry, improvement in the consumption numbers.

Speaker 2

But this is all speculation.

Speaker 6

Ken, just the other thing to keep in mind is that the non measured channel for us can be pretty meaningful as well. And so that will drive some of the delta that you see there between consumption and shipments.

Speaker 8

Got it. Thank you. And then I wanted to ask also, it's a little early. And Ethan, I know you did kind of hint at, I think, for a continued improvement in the gross margin next year. Just given some of your pricing actions that you've taken, the mix benefits perhaps, some of the limited elasticity.

Speaker 8

Is it reasonable for us to model, total sales growth positive in 2025? Would there be any reason that you can see right now why that wouldn't be the case?

Speaker 2

There's a lot of smiling going on in the room and looking at each other. I mean, you know who I am and how I am. I mean, I'm fully expecting it, but what we're actually going to be saying is something different that we'll have to get a lot of sign offs on. So, but I like the way I like the direction of the business. But it's just way too early for us to model publicly what we think next year is going to look like.

Speaker 8

All I hear is I'm fully expecting it. Nothing else. All the rest was just white color.

Speaker 2

Based on no data.

Speaker 8

Yes, exactly. All right. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from John Baumgartner with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon. Thanks for the question. Good afternoon. Maybe first off, Ethan, just to follow-up on your comments to Michael on the elasticity. Are the consumers buying these products at higher prices?

Speaker 2

Are they mostly existing consumers? I'm just trying to understand the risk that these higher prices and wider gaps in the short term just sort of end up the suiting new consumers and create more work and more delays for you in driving trial and adoption for that 4 platform? We have seen the buyer rate go up. We don't actually have the data as to whether how many are beyond 4 consumers are repeat versus new. But I tell you, I emphasize this in my comments, the biggest thing that is dissuading the consumer from our products and plant based meat is a misperception around the health benefits and around the ingredients, full stop.

Speaker 2

That is the number one issue. And that's the issue that you see us hammering away at again and again and again. And I think as time goes on, you'll see more people understand that. You'll see more people, particularly as documentation comes out about how well orchestrated this was, identify that in fact this was something that the company industry, the meat industry, the pharmaceutical industry that's associated with selling antibiotics to livestock paid people to market about, right? And that is the biggest thing.

Speaker 2

I said it about when we lowered pricing. I'm saying about when we raised pricing. That's what it is. And once we get through that hurdle, because the products obviously look, they taste good, people like the way they taste, we do a ton of tests, we know that data, We know that they're really good for the human body. We've done the test.

Speaker 2

I won't bore you guys again. We're talking about the Stanford study, etcetera. We have another very exciting ongoing study going right now, which I expect to have really good results on. So that's the issue. We have not seen anyone sort of tap out based on pricing.

Speaker 2

People do complain about the prices of our products in general, but that's always been the case. And so I think this particular model of taking premium products, offering them at the right price so we can create a sustainable business. While we do have other products, right, that are selling at a lower cost and a somewhat lower margin for us. That's the right approach. And as we gain more and more success, you can see us differentiate our products more, go into other QSRs and of that nature at a lower price, but still maintain that premium pricing where it matters.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thanks for that. And then in terms of the operating expenses, that middle of the P and L, that's been a focus area. You've made a lot of progress there. And you've had this sort of range bound expense for the last 9 months or so.

Speaker 2

As you consolidate that, how do you think about flexibility for additional efficiencies and OpEx going forward? Are you sort of at the floor now? Are there more efficiencies coming? And then also should we expect maybe some increase there in 2025 with an uptick in marketing or brand reinvestment? So I don't think you should expect an increase.

Speaker 2

You always I'm always looking at the P and L. We're always looking at the P and L and sort of saying, okay, how can we drive this more quickly to profitability? How can we drive it more quickly to cash flow positive? And so I can't give you definitive answer, but we're certainly looking for ways to do that in 2025. And there are some things that are burning off that will help us do that.

Speaker 2

But it's again, I think just like to Ken's question, it's too early. But the expectation is there that, that can be done and will be done. Okay. Thank you, Ethan.

Operator

The next question is from Alexia Howard with Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Good evening. This is Conor Saniglia stepping in for Alexia Howard.

Speaker 2

You don't sound like Alexia.

Speaker 9

Earlier in the year you launched the B4.0 innovation, which is more flavorful. Can you talk a little bit about the innovation, how it's been received by consumers and how it's impacted overall sales? It seems like you report positive second half sales. And I was wondering, if today's results are more a reflection of a strength in this new innovation or strength in more of the legacy products you all have? And then I'll pass it on.

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you for the question. I absolutely think that it is due to a couple of things. 1, so yes, the Beyond 4 platform, if you look, for example, at the 2 pack burger and certain grocers, you do see a pretty sizable expansion of velocity. And we think that's attributable to the entire Beyond 4 narrative and ingredients and positioning and certifications and endorsements from nutritionists, registered dieticians, doctors, national health institutions, things like that.

Speaker 2

So I do think that's working. I think it's also one of the reasons that you're seeing that kind of favorable elasticity in retail. And I think it's also helping the category, right? This is something that needed to be done. We were faced with a pretty big crisis, which is the products that we were developing and producing for reasons of human health and climate, etcetera.

Speaker 2

We're denigrated heavily by a competing campaign against the category. We faced a choice, as I've talked to us before, do we sort of proclaim our innocence or do we just say, we're going to make our health proposition even stronger. And we really moved the product from the kind of relative health positioning visavismeat, 35% less saturated fats, stuff like that, to much more of an absolute offering from a health perspective where it's now 75% less saturated fat, but that's saturated fat coming from avocado oil, which is widely recognized as being kind of a heart healthy oil in the right amounts. And so it's where we're headed as a brand. It's the right thing to do.

Speaker 2

Consumers like it. And I think the big thing is people say, oh, well, you're going to you can't expect to grow just by making the products even healthier. They've got to taste great. And to us, we sort of just I hear that, it's sort of like yes and then what? Of course, we're a food company.

Speaker 2

Our products have to taste great. And so we always test them. Are we improving the taste? And if the taste is in any way taking a step backwards as we make the products even healthier, we don't release it. And so that's why we have this amazing research and development center.

Speaker 2

That's why we have so many folks that are so talented at taking molecules and ingredients from plants and creating the sensory experience of muscle or animal protein.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ethan Brown for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

I don't think I have any other than just let's get back together after the next quarter and I think you'll see we'll continue to take this extremely seriously driving the business toward profitability and hope to be able to report good results next time. Thanks.

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