Cineplex Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 6, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning all. Good afternoon all and welcome to the Cineplex Q3 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Adam and I'll be

Speaker 1

your operator for today.

Operator

I will now hand the floor to Maher I will now hand the floor to Masa Rajali, VP of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning, everyone. I would like to welcome you to Cineplex's 3rd quarter 2024 earnings release conference call hosted by Ellis Jacob, President and Chief Executive Officer and Gord Nelson, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements being made are forward looking and subject to various risks and uncertainties. Such forward looking statements are based on management's beliefs and assumptions regarding the information currently available. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed in forward looking statements.

Speaker 2

Information regarding factors that could cause results to vary can be found in the company's most recently filed annual information form and management's discussion and analysis. Following today's remarks, we'll close the call with our customary question and answer period. I will now turn the call over to Ellis Jacob.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Martha. Good morning, and welcome to our Q3 2024 conference call. Today, I'd like to focus on a few important factors that are top of mind for our investors. The first is the sustained content supply and consumer enthusiasm for moviegoing. The second is the strength of our diversified businesses.

Speaker 3

And finally, how we are positioned to deliver strong growth and shareholder value into the future. This past quarter, the exhibition industry collectively experienced a continued shift in the box office. Since June, we've enjoyed a steady stream of titles drawing moviegoers into their local theaters. Remarkably, 5 of the top 6 films of 2024 were released since the middle of June. The surge began with Inside Out 2, which became the highest grossing animated film of all time.

Speaker 3

The film generated $653,000,000 at the domestic box office and ignited the beginning of a strong run of titles to the rest of the year. Following closely was Despicable Me 4, which kicked off the Q3 on a high note, becoming the 2nd highest grossing film in the franchise and generating $360,000,000 at the domestic box office. It held a spot in the top five titles of the domestic box office for 7 consecutive weeks. After these 2 incredible family films, Deadpool and Wolverine then stole the show becoming the highest grossing R rated film ever, achieving 6 $37,000,000 in domestic box office revenues and staying in the top 5 of domestic box office for 9 consecutive weeks. In addition to these three incredible titles, Twisters and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice rounded out Cineplex's top 5 titles for the Q3.

Speaker 3

The box office results clearly demonstrate that consumers remain highly enthusiastic about compelling content in theaters. The return of content supply combined with strong moviegoing demand resulted in Cineplex achieving box office revenues of $175,000,000 in the quarter. This represented 98% of 2019 levels and total revenue of $395,000,000 exceeding 2019 levels. Cineplex's total revenues were just shy of 2023 levels by 4.6% as Q3 2023 was the best quarter in our company's history due to the Barbenheimer phenomenon. Although Cineplex underperformed the North American box office relative to 2023, it once again outperformed the North American box office relative to 2019 by nearly 3%.

Speaker 3

When comparing Canada to the U. S. On a year over year basis, it's important to note that certain films did not play in Canada and certain genres performed stronger in the U. S. Than in Canada.

Speaker 3

This will drive fluctuations from quarter to quarter depending on the film mix. We achieved a BPP of $13.19 and a CPP of $9.85 both all time quarterly records. Premium experiences also represented 42.2% of the box office performing better than last year's 35%. Our box office performance and PerPatron growth along with the results from our diversified businesses allowed Cineplex to deliver $47,500,000 of adjusted EBITDAO and $16,400,000 of cash provided by operating activities. This performance enabled us to invest in the business and return capital to shareholders through share repurchases.

Speaker 3

Turning to our 3rd quarter media results. Cineplex Digital Media achieved an impressive 40.3% year over year revenue growth as a result of expanded digital out of home shopping networks and new clients. We're also pleased with our cinema media results, which delivered $1.37 cinema media revenue per patron, an increase of 10.5% compared to Q3 2023. Cinema media remains a compelling space for our advertisers to invest their dollars as it was one of the few media platforms that can capture consumers' undivided attention. Being the only exhibitor in North America that owns its media business creates a significant point of differentiation, ensuring an important revenue stream with high margins, especially now that content supply is returning at a steadier pace.

Speaker 3

During the quarter, we celebrated another win for our media segment. The Canadian out of home marketing and measurement bureau welcomed Cineplex Media as a new member and together with Cineplex Digital Media, they became part of its inaugural mall measurement methodology. With this new accreditation and measurement approach, we ensure our digital out of home clients receive the most value and transparency for their impressions. This further solidifies our leadership in the digital out of home advertising space, as we continue to win new business and roll out new campaigns. The Rec Room and Palladium locations of our LBE business play an important role in strengthening our position and delivering growth and shareholder value.

Speaker 3

During the Q3, our LBE business delivered revenue of $31,100,000 and adjusted store level EBITDA of $7,600,000 We have 3 new LBE locations opening in the Q4, including our first location of The Rec Room in Quebec opening later this month. It will be located at the recently opened Royal Mount District Montreal's newest premium shopping, dining and entertainment destination. It is anticipated to become one of the leading retail developments in Canada. We are also excited to be opening a new Cineplex cinema adjacent to The Rec Room Royal Mound, creating a one stop destination for entertainment. Guests can enjoy amusement games, duck and bowling, augmented reality darts, delicious food and handcrafted signature cocktails, live entertainment and enjoy a movie all under one roof.

Speaker 3

Our Royal Mount Cineplex will consist of 5 auditoriums, all with full recliners, giving our guests the ultimate movie going experience. Later this month, we are also opening a flagship location of The Rec Room on Granville Street in Vancouver. This 45,000 square foot historical location spans 3 floors, each offering a different experience, including a wide range of the latest amusement games, augmented reality darts, axe throwing, dining and bar offerings, live entertainment and events. New to this location on the lower level is The Palms, which is inspired by the historic Granville Street Hotel of the same name founded in 1913. It features a mini golf course, a gorgeous hotel inspired bar, tropical cocktails and a unique variety of bold, flavorful, tropic inspired snacks.

Speaker 3

Lastly, in December, our 4th Palladium location is opening adjacent to a Cineplex Theatre at Fairview Mall in Toronto. Once again, we are creating an entertainment destination for families within a high traffic location, easily accessible by car or transit. In tandem with our new openings, we've developed Make Room For Play as our new brand positioning for The Rec Room to appeal and attract our target demographic. This new positioning came from the belief that The Rec Room is the perfect place to inject more fun and play into day to day life. To launch our new brand positioning, we released a comprehensive campaign aimed at driving awareness and visitation from Gen Zs and millennials.

Speaker 3

The cornerstone of the campaign is a 60 second spot being shown in cinemas across the country. We also redesigned The Rec Room website to deliver a more engaging and elevated platform for our newly defined guest experience. With an attractive return, our LBE business is a meaningful contributor to current and future EBITDAO growth. We see an opportunity to continue investing in the LBE business with the potential to expand to 30 locations across the country, solidifying our leadership position in this entertainment space. As I mentioned earlier in the call, we are seeing excellent revenue from our premium offerings.

Speaker 3

We offer 9 different ways to enjoy a movie at Cineplex, UltraAVX, VIP, recliners, IMAX, D BOX, ScreenX, 4DX, 3 d and Clubhouse. This past quarter, we installed recliners at Cineplex Cinemas Fredericton and opened a ScreenX auditorium at Cineplex Cinemas Coquitlam and VIP in British Columbia. In the Q4, we are opening 2 new IMAX screens, 2 ScreenX screens and 1 UltraAVX screen across the country. In addition to our guests' ability to choose their preferred movie watching experience, our concession offerings are just as important in creating a fulsome experience while also driving revenue. For the ultimate movie fan, merchandise like outlandish popcorn buckets and themed cups have become a customary upgrade and collectible.

Speaker 3

For Deadpool and Wolverine alone, a collection of merchandise offering generated 1 point $3,000,000 in revenue. Our new mobile app, which has achieved a rating of 4.8 with both iPhone and Android users, allows guests to pre purchase their concessions and simply pick up their snacks at the theater. We are seeing a notably higher average per patron spend compared to in person transactions. We believe as adoption grows, this will be an opportunity for further growth in overall concession revenues. A strategy that I'm particularly proud of is the strength of international cinema.

Speaker 3

This quarter, international programming represented 9.3% of total box office revenues compared to the North American box office at 2.7%. During the Q3, the 2 largest international films for Cineplex was Streets 2, where Cineplex generated 44% of North American's market share and Jet and Julia 3, which became Cineplex's highest grossing Punjabi film of all time. We were able to attract diverse audiences to their favorite international films by leveraging our robust data. The use of data to drive incremental attendance and increased spend will continue to be a key differentiator for Cineplex's future growth. We've invested in building robust data models and marketing automation platforms to drive personalized campaigns.

Speaker 3

We've also developed detailed attendance prediction models that analyze global content to identify what resonates with Canadians. In addition, we have created propensity models using our customer base. By integrating these models and crafting unique personalized campaigns through marketing automation engines, we can enhance relevance and drive incremental visitation and spend. As a reminder, the adjusted EBITDA contribution for each incremental guest is approximately $13.46 encouraging our customer base and the SEEN Plus member population to visit more frequently could equate to significant incremental upside to our business. Before I conclude, I want to provide a brief update on the Competition Tribunal's decision regarding our online booking fee.

Speaker 3

On October 23, we filed a notice of appeal with the Federal Court of Appeal to overturn the Competition Tribunal's decision. With the consent of the Competition Bureau, we have been granted an interim stay of the monetary penalty and have brought a motion to stay the monetary penalty pending completion of the appeal. We continue to emphasize that the on time location is an optional value added service. It provides moviegoers with the convenience of advanced online seat selection, knowing that they have a ticket for a specific showtime and exact seat location before they arrive at a theater. While we disagree with the tribunal's decision, we've been ordered to make changes to our website and we are in the process of doing so.

Speaker 3

We remain confident that our fee was always presented in a clear and prominent manner and fully complied with the spirit and letter of the law. As a reminder, this ruling has no impact on our ability to charge the online booking fee, and we will continue to offer the optional value added convenience of advanced online seat selection to our guests. As we approach the end of 2024, we are generating positive momentum within our business. I am proud to say we have successfully navigated the challenge of film slate supply and it is now behind us. Looking ahead, the Q4 is bringing some remarkable titles, including Wicked Part 1, Gladiator 2, Moana 2, Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rome, Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Mufasa: The Lion King.

Speaker 3

We are optimistic the momentum will continue into 2025 with SWAT shaping up to be a strong year for the film slate, including Captain America, Brave New World, Snow White, Mission Impossible 8, Karate Kid, How to Train Your Dragon, Jurassic World Revert, Superman Legacy, The Fantastic Four First Steps, Wicked Part 2, Zootopia 2 and Avatar Fire and Ash. The upside to a strong film slate means our media business can consistently offer a compelling place for advertisers to invest their dollars and capture our guests' undivided attention. With 3 new LBE locations opening in key markets, our LBE business is set to solidify its position at Canada's destination for play. And the use of our robust data presents a significant untapped potential. To close, we've made tremendous strides to overcome product supply challenges and the 3rd quarter proved we are well on our way to a steadier stream of content now and into the future.

Speaker 3

Our diversified media and LDE businesses are following suit and gaining momentum and scale. As we look forward, we will continue to differentiate ourselves within the market and drive industry leading results. We are confident we will sustain this momentum and are positioned as one of North America's leading entertainment and media destination. With that, I will turn things over to Gord.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Ellis. I am pleased to present a condensed summary of the Q3 2020 4 results for Cineplex Inc. For further reference, our financial statements and MD and A have been filed on SEDAR Plus and are also available on our Investor Relations website at cineplex.com. Our MD and A and earnings press release include a complete narrative on the operational results, so I will focus on highlighting select items in addition to providing commentary on the accounting provision for the Competition Bureau matter, liquidity, capital allocation priorities and our outlook. For my comments on operations, all amounts following will be from continuing operations unless otherwise stated.

Speaker 4

We were pleased to see the return of the supply of film content in the Q3. Our Q3 box office was 98% of pre pandemic Q3 of 2019 and 93% of the record breaking Q3 of 2020 3. As a result of the decline in attendance as compared to the Babenheimer quarter, our total revenue decreased 4.6% to $395,600,000 and our adjusted EBITDA decreased to $47,500,000 in 2024 as compared to the record $74,600,000 in 2023. Let's take a closer look at our segments. In the Film Exhibition and Content segment, attendance declined $2,400,000 or 15.5 percent to approximately $13,300,000 Total revenue decreased 5.3% and segment adjusted EBITDA decreased to $48,800,000 primarily a result of the attendance decline and higher film costs due to the concentration and mix of films.

Speaker 4

As part of our portfolio optimization and rationalization strategy, we closed one location during the quarter, bringing the total to 3 location closures on a year to date basis. Comparing Q3 twenty twenty four to the pre pandemic Q3 twenty 19 period, our theater portfolio has decreased by 10 locations and our theater cash rent paid and payable has decreased 6.8% to $36,500,000 from $39,100,000 The Media segment revenue increased 9.3 percent to $31,300,000 Segment adjusted EBITDA decreased by $2,400,000 to $13,600,000 as a result of a sales mix shift to the lower margin CDM business from the Cinema Media business and by ongoing conversion costs related to the new digital media networks. As compared to the prior year, cinema media revenue decreased 7% to $18,100,000 primarily due to the 15.5% attendance decline. Our digital place based media business had strong results with total revenues up 40.3 percent to $13,300,000 primarily as a result of the addition of Cadillac Fairview to our shopping mall network beginning in 2024. And lastly, in our LBE segment, segment revenues decreased by 9.1 percent to $31,100,000 The Q3 of the prior year 2023 was positively impacted by weather and stay indoor advisories due to wildfires in some of our major markets.

Speaker 4

As compared to 2022, LBE segment revenues were up marginally from $31,100,000 in that period. Store level adjusted EBITDA margins were 24.4% versus 29% in the prior year, primarily as a result of increased volume driving operating efficiencies in the prior year period and the impacts of minimum wage increases. We continue to expect that store level margins for the year will meet or exceed our 25% targets. And at the segment level, segment EBITDA was negatively impacted by pre opening and campaign production costs for a new brand campaign for The Rec Room designed to drive increased awareness and visitation from our target audience. These together totaled approximately $1,100,000 during the quarter.

Speaker 4

I want to now briefly discuss our accounting for the Competition Tribunal's decision in favor of the Competition Bureau and the related administrative monetary penalty of approximately $39,000,000 We continue to believe that our online booking fee fully complied with the letter in the spirit of the law and have filed our notice of appeal with the Federal Court of Appeal. With the commissioner's consent, we were granted an interim stay regarding this payment and we are requesting a stay pending completion of the appeal, also with the commissioner's consent. The agreed upon stay would result in payment being deferred until a decision by the Federal Court of Appeal. Although we strongly believe in our position, we are accruing the full $39,000,000 in our Q3 results. This amount appears in a separate line item on the income statement and balance sheets entitled provision for competition through tribunal's administrative monetary penalty.

Speaker 4

And given its one time nature is excluded from our definition of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA. Should the amount be adjusted or eliminated on final appeal, this amount will be adjusted accordingly at a future date. I would now like to move on and speak to our balance sheet and in particularly our liquidity position. At quarter end, we had $32,000,000 in cash and no drawings under the covenant credit facility, which has a capacity of $100,000,000 With the comprehensive refinancing plan, we have meaningfully pushed out near term maturities and removed restrictions related to covenant testing and no testing was required under the credit facility at quarter end. As we have mentioned previously, our capital allocation priorities include maintenance capital expenditures, continuing to strengthen the balance sheet to achieve our target leverage ratios, investing in growth opportunities and providing shareholder returns in the form of share buybacks and or dividends.

Speaker 4

As we discussed at last quarter end, we saw a strong product pipeline going forward, driving the potential for significant free cash flow generation. We have limited commitments on growth CapEx and we saw a current share price, which we believe did not reflect the intrinsic value of the company. We announced and received approval for normal course issuer bid during the quarter and commenced at the end of the quarter with purchases of approximately $2,000,000 in shares under this program at quarter end. We have repurchased an additional $3,900,000 in shares subsequent to quarter end. Now I'd like to take a few minutes to remind our investors of the world we see going forward.

Speaker 4

This is where we achieve or exceed pre pandemic adjusted EBITDA level on 75 80% of pre pandemic attendance levels. With no near term cash taxes due to the NOLs, in this scenario, we could generate in excess of $100,000,000 of free cash flow and use this free cash flow to invest, delever and provide additional shareholder returns. Annualizing our $47,500,000 in Q3 EBITDA gives us comfort that we are in the path to achieving our pre pandemic annualized EBITDA of $209,000,000 In summary, we believe there continues to be a lot to be excited about. With our long history of disciplined operations and capital management, we remain highly focused on creating long term shareholder value. And with that, I'd like to turn things over to the conference operator for questions.

Operator

Thank And our first question comes from Derek Lessard from TD Cowen. Derek, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Yes, good morning, everybody. Glad to hear your voices.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Thanks.

Speaker 1

So again, congratulations on the VPP and CPP metrics. I think some of it was driven by price. So could you maybe just talk about the consumer reaction given the tougher macro backdrop and if you're seeing any changes in consumer behavior?

Speaker 3

Yes. On the BPP, the increase is largely, as we talked about in the script, driven by the premium offerings that we have. And we were over 42% for the quarter, which helped us drive the BPP. And in addition to that, there's some small price increases, which resulted in the highest number that we had. And on the CPP side, we basically got a couple of issues that are beneficial to us.

Speaker 3

1 is the increase in the basket size. There's higher visitation. Then we've also got more product offerings and slightly the price, which all add up to the improvement in the CPP. And then the mobile app is also helping us contribute to that as we see more guests ordering online and resulting in a higher overall CPP. So Gord, anything else?

Speaker 4

Yes. So Derek, just one thing I also want to add and remind people is that during the Q3 of last year, in the month of September, we introduced a cinema day, which is a discounted admission during that period. We noted last year that it adversely impacted the BPP by about $0.36 So without having a sentiment this year with the return of product is and so it's $0.36 for the BPP and roughly $0.14 for the CPP. So a lot of the growth you're seeing year over year is also in part due to that.

Speaker 3

Yes. And there's no negative consumer sentiment on the changes in the prices.

Speaker 1

Okay. That's great color guys. And maybe just following up to that. Going forward, could you maybe just maybe Gord talk about your the cost structure? I think more specifically, are you able to give us some direction on your film costs going forward?

Speaker 1

And then maybe on the SG and A line, you did have some software and professional fees in there. So could you just maybe talk about those cost items going forward?

Speaker 3

Yes. So I'll do film costs and Gord will do the SG and A. So on film costs for the quarter, the reason it was high as it was, was because as we see the top movies in the quarter did a significant amount of the business, which results in a higher cost. Now you may say, well, you had Barbie and Oppenheimer last year, but when you look at the 10 top movies for the quarter, we did a lot more business than the 10 top movies from 2023. So that was one of the reasons for the increased film rental.

Speaker 3

And the other reason is basically with certain studios, we do annual reconciliations. And in 2023, there was a pickup. And in 2020 4, during the quarter, there was a charge. So there's a delta differential between the quarters from the prior year to this year.

Speaker 4

And then on the G and A and the technology related comment, as we also I think we mentioned in the MD and A, as there's a couple of things going on here, Derek. So very similar to everyone else, as you transition to a cloud based environment, costs tend to increase. And as your software providers move from an ownership model to more of a rental model, a SaaS type model, is you're paying regular subscription model rather than paying like a lower maintenance kind of model on your historic software. I also spoke about our use of data and some of the marketing automation platforms that we're putting in place. So there is a cost that we're incurring in terms of implementation fees, professional fees and some additional upfront software fees related to kind of building.

Speaker 4

That's what we're seeing sort of in the current period. Some of that will continue on as we go into a subscription model, but some of the upfront consulting fee will dissipate in the future.

Speaker 1

Okay. And then maybe just to clarify on the film cost, that means we should expect it it should return to historical like over a full year, should return to a historical levels?

Speaker 3

Yes. It should basically moderate. Again, one of the arguments I always say, if we are exceeding our box office and we've got lots of strong films, that's a high class problem. The challenge is during the quarter, if you have only big films and none of the smaller films, it impacts the overall cost. But I think we can look forward to being back to a more moderate level on the film rental side.

Speaker 4

Yes. Jerry, just been curious, partly where yes, sorry, we've

Speaker 5

there's been

Speaker 4

historic periods where films like the first Avatar as an example, where absolutely dominated a quarter and the film rent was up and then it kind of normalized over the course of the full year.

Speaker 1

Yes. High class problems are good to have. Thanks guys.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Yaeh Mayaki from Scotiabank.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you for taking my question guys. I wanted to ask you just on the box office cost here. I understand the separation in terms of costs, but is it true to say that more and more we're seeing high cost films being produced, bigger blockbuster movies and less smaller movies. And why is that not a cause for potentially to think that your box office revenue cost will trend towards the higher end of the 50s rather than the low end of the 50% range like you had in the past?

Speaker 5

I'm just trying to like play the devil's advocate here.

Speaker 3

Yes. And what one has to look at is, a lot of the studios have been focusing on the big titles, but now you've got other groups that are coming out with movies. And this year, at our Toronto International Film Festival, we had a lot of movies that will fall into that category that will fill the gaps and also result in lower costs for us. And then you've got the international content, which helps us on an overall basis. So the mix as we move forward will continue to get better for us because we'll have both types of films that will be released during the quarters.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. So my question that I wanted to ask you is first on Media. So if we compare your Media margins in this quarter with a similar level of run rate on the revenue side like Q2 of last year, you were running a little bit lower on margins versus Q2 of last year where you had similar revenue run rate.

Speaker 5

So can you discuss some of the reasons why we're seeing that pressure on margins in Media?

Speaker 4

Yes. So, Mero, it's Gord here. So, with respect to the Cinema Media business, the margins tend to kind of, as I've mentioned historically, hover around the 80% level. So and that's where they can really they continue to be during the quarter. It's

Speaker 3

really on

Speaker 4

the CDM business where as we are rolling out these new mall clients and if you look at the disclosure in the MD and A and I'll just highlight this, it's a revenue mix issue. So our project revenue was up 73%. And so the mix is shifting to project revenue. That includes a lot of the refresh that is going on within our new mall networks and particularly Cadillac Fairview. And so that refresh is going on.

Speaker 4

And so that's Cadillac Fairview's capital. It's an extremely tiny margin on that revenue and then it's also there's some additional cost

Speaker 1

in our perspective as we kind

Speaker 4

of go and implement that refresh across their network. So we have a little bit of a negative impact, and you can kind of see it in just the shift of the mix more to the project side of things. That should dissipate and again the advertising strength of having a refresh network will come back in Q4 and beyond.

Speaker 5

Yes. Okay. That makes sense. Thank you. And my last question is, Gord, you keep bringing up that the company is set up to produce as much free cash flow on a lower attendance base.

Speaker 5

And you mentioned it again in your prepared remarks, the €206,000,000 I think. So but just to compare, if I look at your EBITDA generation this quarter and I compare it to Q3 of 2019, you're running close to 80% of attendance this quarter compared to Q3 2019. So the comparison works out. But you generated $47,000,000 of EBITDA. And back then, you generated $56,000,000 dollars after the sale of P1SG.

Speaker 5

Yes. So let me take

Speaker 4

you through that. Yes, let me take you through it, Maher, okay? So because I know that's a great question and thank you. So let me look at our segments then, so by segment. So in Q3 2024, our exhibition segment generated $49,000,000 of EBITDA at the segment level.

Speaker 4

In Q3 2019, the pre pandemic level period, we generated $50,000,000 So $1,000,000 less of EBITDA, so basically equal, on 75% of the attendance. The media business generated $14,000,000 of EBITDA versus $20,000,000 So the media business is really where we're seeing a bit of the compression, not the exhibition business. And we know in today's environment, there's a challenging media business. So we did roughly 20% less media sales on an attendance decline of roughly 25%. So our media sales did not decline as significantly the attendance and it's a tough media market.

Speaker 4

So we are encouraged about where the media business can go. From the LBE side, we were up marginally from 2% to 5%. And then the corporate costs, the corporate costs were up about $4,000,000 in 2024 versus 2019. Dollars 2,000,000 of that $4,000,000 increase is the change in LTIP and that was due to the share price increase during the quarter. So I get really comfortable when I look at this to say that world is real.

Speaker 4

That media model is going to come back. The corporate costs are being offset by that's where the share price rules. And so, yes, I'm very comfortable that once media the media space comes back and just starts to generate, we're going to be in that world that I described.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you, Gord, for your detailed answer and I appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes, my pleasure.

Operator

The next question comes from Drew McReynolds from RBC. Drew, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks very much. Good morning. Gord, I know we've chatted about this before. With respect to the Cineplex Digital Media business, obviously, in your MD and A, you break it down by project revenues and other revenues, and then there's kind of subcategories of those 2 buckets. And just want to kind of better understand or at least get an update, what's generally recurring, what's transitional in terms of contract deployment, etcetera.

Speaker 6

Can you just kind of break that down for us just to help us kind of model this going forward?

Speaker 4

Yes. So always and again,

Speaker 5

so if we look at

Speaker 4

the Q3, then we had $13,300,000 in total revenue, which about $7,700,000 was what we categorize as other, which really includes the advertising, the network management fees, the creative content fees and basically those I would consider as more recurring type. Project revenues are always there. So we're always deploying new hardware, brands are refreshing their stuff. Those are always there, but they're a lower margin source. So as you go forward, we're seeing the and you can kind of see the lumpiness of the project revenue quarter in and quarter out.

Speaker 4

But it's the other revenues that you're focusing on the recurring and that's where we're looking to drive value and drive margin.

Speaker 1

Okay. Super.

Speaker 6

And then just back to the last question. On the media business, maybe if you can flush out just where the pockets of industry weakness would be? And obviously, the year over year performance of Cineplex Media revenue exceeded the year over year performance of Attendance. Is that kind of outperformance there sustainable? And if so, what are kind of the drivers that you're doing to basically over index on the pure attendance side of things?

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes. So look at, Drew, there's a number of factors in play here. And I'll just also comment that NCM reported yesterday, and again, we had significant sort of outperformance relative to what they did during the Q3. We've chatted a bit about our media and our sort of strategy as we go forward. Part 1 was we sort of we morphed to a CPM based model a few years ago as we went into the pandemic.

Speaker 4

This year and again this impacted margins a little bit is what we've launched and published a Lumin study, which talks about attention. And you can all relate to sort of a world where impressions are less relevant. People impressions you may be able to count them, but it's actually someone actually paying attention and seeing what that ad is. So attention has become the new statistic. We published that Lumen study earlier this year.

Speaker 4

And in that study, we demonstrated that the attention statistics, so who notes and actually notes an ad is 8 to 9 times higher than it is for a digital ad. So that's kind of step 2 as we're focusing on this new metric that's critical to advertisers' attention and we're selling that we can drive more attention to or Sigmund drives more attention. I will also make a comment that during tough advertising climates, brands look and reevaluate their spend. If they need to cut back is they want to cut back on what they would call inefficient spending. So having this Lumin study out there at this time is going to help us go forward.

Speaker 4

And then lastly, what we will look to do next year is when you look at the mix of spending is we tend to be either lumped into a digital out of home bucket, which is a relatively small bucket. And we want to get media planners to either create a new category for cinema spend or take away share from the digital spend, which is significantly growing. So that's the 3rd prong of our strategy, which provides us a lot of comfort going forward that we're going to drive great strength in our media business. So hopefully that helps.

Speaker 6

Yes. No, that does Gord. And then with respect to just the broader ad market, obviously, the digital lens is predominantly dominated by U. S. Media companies now.

Speaker 6

But on the traditional side, where are you seeing kind of category pockets of strength and weakness? And are you kind of still broadening the category breadth of who would advertise in cinema? Just kind of more broadly the market dynamic would be helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes. So we absolutely do that. And 2 big areas where we see some great growth opportunities is auto. And if you remember, we're seeing them come back and you'll see them come back in the Q4. The pandemic, they had supply chain challenges.

Speaker 4

They're typically a big category for us. And the other one that's out there is pharma. You see a lot about pharma, you see a lot of pharma advertising on traditional linear stations and they are very that's another category where we're seeing lots of growth and opportunity for us.

Operator

Okay. Thanks very much.

Speaker 3

Thank

Operator

you. We have no further questions. So I'll hand the call back to Ellis Jacob.

Speaker 3

Thank you again for joining the call this morning. We are excited about the strong film slate for the balance of 2024 and into 2025 and beyond. We look forward to sharing our Q4 results in February 2025. Have a great day. Thank you.

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Cineplex Q3 2024
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