Jones Lang LaSalle Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Audra, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q3 2024 Jones Lang LaSalle Incorporated Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

Operator

After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Brian Hogan, Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to the Q3 2024 earnings conference call for Jones Lang LaSalle Incorporated. Earlier this morning, we issued our earnings release, along with a slide presentation and Excel file intended to supplement our prepared remarks. These materials are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Please visit ir.jll.com.

Speaker 1

During the call and in our slide presentation and accompanying Excel file, we reference certain non GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide useful information for investors. We include reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures to GAAP in our earnings release and slide presentation. We also reference resilient and transactional revenues, which we define in the footnotes of our earnings release. As a reminder, today's call is being webcast live and recorded. A transcript and recording of this conference call will be posted to our website.

Speaker 1

Any statements made about future results and performance, plans, expectations and objectives are forward looking statements. Actual results and performance may differ from those forward looking statements as a result of factors discussed in our annual report on Form 10 ks for the fiscal year December 31, 2023, and in our reports filed with the SEC. The company disclaims any undertaking to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements. Finally, a reminder that percentage variances are against the prior year period in local currency, unless otherwise noted. I will now turn the call over to Christian Ulberg, our President and Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Brian. Hello and welcome to our Q3 2024 earnings call. In the Q3, JLL delivered strong financial results, which demonstrated our ability to drive operating leverage across our platform, and we announced strategic action that strengthen our position in our leasing, property management and LaSalle business lines. Beginning with our financial results, our 3 largest business lines, Market Advisory, Capital Markets and Work Dynamics, all delivered double digit revenue growth in the quarter. We saw growth acceleration in leasing and investment sales, debt and equity advisory, and our Work Dynamics segment continues to exceed our expectations.

Speaker 2

These results reflect our strength in transaction markets, but are still in the early stages of recovery and our continued momentum in expanding our services to clients. Importantly, we have demonstrated our ability to drive operating leverage across our platform through continued focus on process efficiency and cost management. The consolidated enterprise adjusted EBITDA increased by 37% and adjusted EPS delivered 60% growth. During the quarter, we announced strategic actions to further improve our leasing offering to clients and to enable our people through enhanced platform tools. To supplement JLL's existing leasing technology, we recently acquired Rais Commercial Real Estate, a San Francisco technology powered brokerage that provides client solutions using a transformative digital real estate platform.

Speaker 2

RAISE strengthens JLL's platform with market leading technology, seasoned brokers and elite engineers to build innovative products for the full leasing lifecycle from transaction and lease management to workplace and portfolio analytics. In addition, in 2025, we will bring together all building management groups under one segment to better capitalize on synergies across platform operations, innovation and client experience. As a result of this realignment, the Property Management business will report to Neil Murray, our WorkDynamics CEO. Following this shift on January 1, our Markets Advisory segment will be renamed Leasing Advisory and our WorkDynamics segment will be renamed Real Estate Management Services and include Workplace Management, Property Management, Project Management and Portfolio Services. Finally, there's high demand for an innovative product offering within LaSalle's U.

Speaker 2

S. Open Ended Core Fund for High Net Worth Investors, JLL Income Property Trust. We have committed a $100,000,000 incremental investment in that fund, which will be used to acquire assets to be syndicated to a 1031 exchange vehicle and recycled across multiple syndication offerings. These vehicles are expected to accelerate the growth of this flagship fund's assets under management over time. I will now turn the call over to Karen to provide more detail on our financial results and our full year outlook.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Christian. Our strong performance in the quarter reflects our focus on differentiating JLL services and improving platform operating efficiency. Our talented teams and the investments we are making in our business are driving superior value for our clients and creating long term stakeholder value. I will now review our operating performance by segments. Beginning with markets advisory, the increase in revenue in the quarter was driven primarily by leasing, which generated double digit growth across most geographies, notably in the U.

Speaker 3

S, India and the U. K. And nearly all asset classes. The office sector, which saw both increased deal size and transaction volumes, led the acceleration with 34% growth. Globally, the industrial sector was flat to the prior year quarter, ending a multi quarter trend of declines in the sector as deal size rebounded.

Speaker 3

Large transactions where we've historically had a proportionately higher weighting continue to increase, so it's still below the pre pandemic average. Portfolio expansions in the Americas and Asia Pacific, including incremental pass through expenses, led property management revenue growth. We continue to see growth in active tenant requirements and demand for high quality assets. Combined with the general stability of the OECD Business Confidence Index since earlier this year, we are optimistic for continued pickup in activity. The leasing revenue growth combined with our continued cost discipline drove the 77% increase in markets advisory adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker 3

The timing of prior year incentive compensation accruals also positively impacted year over year profitability. Shifting to our capital markets segment. Revenue grew as improved investor sentiment along with interest rate reductions from many central banks, pent up demand, significant dry powder and improved debt availability, all contributed to an 18% increase in investment sales, debt and equity advisory, excluding net non cash MSR activity. Revenue increased across most geographies, led by the U. S.

Speaker 3

And Europe and nearly all asset classes, with notable growth in hotels, office and industrial. Our global investment sales revenue, which accounted for nearly 40% of segment revenue in the quarter, grew 15%. The U. S. And Europe performed notably better than the respective market activity recorded by JLL Research.

Speaker 3

The capital markets adjusted EBITDA growth was predominantly driven by higher transactional revenues and continued cost discipline. Looking ahead, the global investment sales, debt and equity advisory pipeline is up high single digits compared with this time last year and client engagements continue to increase. Moving next to work dynamics. Revenue growth was led by a 20% increase in workplace management, largely from continued U. S.

Speaker 3

Mandate expansion as Christian referenced. Project management revenue grew as shifts in business mix and a focus on higher margin projects led to lower pass through costs, which offset mid single digit growth in management fees. Portfolio Services demonstrated growth, which was mostly overshadowed by the absence of fees associated with a large transaction in the prior year. The increase in WorkDynamics adjusted EBITDA was primarily attributable to the revenue growth, which more than offset the negative impact from the timing of certain revenue related expense accruals. We started to lap the onboarding of large 2023 Workplace Management new client wins in the Q3.

Speaker 3

So the sustained growth of 29% on a 2 year stacked basis has exceeded our expectations. In project management, we remain focused on securing additional mandates. However, the current level of corporate CapEx spending may dampen near term growth rates. Turning to JLL Technologies. Continued growth in software revenue was more than offset by lower solutions bookings over the past few quarters, which drove the decline in revenue.

Speaker 3

Adjusted EBITDA declined from a year ago as benefits from cost discipline and incremental operating efficiency gains over the past 12 months were more than offset by the lower revenue and a $5,000,000 benefit from an incentive compensation true up in the prior year quarter. In addition, there was a $2,000,000 year over year increase in carried interest accruals associated with our Spark venture funds. We are progressing to sustain profitability within this segment as we balance investing to drive growth. Now to LaSalle. Revenue decreased on the impact of valuation declines within our assets under management over the past 12 months, as well as lower fees in Europe from the structural changes in our business mix we discussed in previous quarters.

Speaker 3

Absent foreign currency exchange movements, assets under management were 7% lower than a year earlier. Valuation headwinds have moderated, but are likely to continue through the balance of 2024. The contraction in LaSalle's adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was driven by the lower revenue and the absence of an incentive compensation true up that benefited the prior year quarter. Though muted compared to normalized levels, capital raising and deployment is up year over year and we are seeing early indications of increased investor interest. Turning to this quarter's free cash flow.

Speaker 3

Higher cash from earnings from improved business performance was more than offset by the repurchase of the loan from Fannie Mae described last quarter, higher cash taxes and working capital headwinds from net reimbursables as a result of workplace management growth. We do not expect the year to date higher cash taxes, the loan repurchase and growth related receivable and net reimbursable headwinds to reverse in the Q4. Shifting to our balance sheet and capital allocation. Liquidity totaled $3,400,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter, including $3,000,000,000 of undrawn credit facility capacity. We issued $800,000,000 under our previously announced commercial paper program, with proceeds used to reduce borrowings on our credit facility and provide interest expense savings.

Speaker 3

As of September 30, reported net leverage was 1.4 times, down from 1.9 times a year earlier due to both a reduction in net debt and higher adjusted EBITDA over the trailing 12 months. Over the medium term, we intend to manage the business to a full year average near the middle of our 0 to 2 times leverage range. During the quarter, we deployed capital towards growth initiatives and repurchased $20,000,000 of shares. Our acquisitions of SKAY in the 2nd quarter and RAISE in mid October are reflective of our targeted M and A strategy within our overall capital allocation framework. Regarding our 2024 full year financial outlook, growth trends in our resilient business lines remain solid, while transaction activity is improving, although nuanced across geographies.

Speaker 3

Together with our cost discipline, ongoing focus on improving operating efficiency and strong year to date performance, we are raising the bottom end of our full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA target range by $150,000,000 Our full year target range is now $1,150,000,000 to $1,200,000,000 which reflects a 7% increase at the midpoint. We continue to see significant growth opportunities ahead to enhance the resiliency of our business, financial returns and cash flow. Christian, back to you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kevin. The increase in our full year target adjusted EBITDA range reflects continued momentum across our 3 largest business segments, which we expect will continue through 2025. We are in early stages of recovery for the real estate capital markets. According to JLL's proprietary global bid intensity index, bid activity further improved in the 3rd quarter from what we saw in the first half of the year, particularly after larger institutional transactions. We believe we are very well positioned to grow revenues in our Capital Markets segment based on the quality of our people and the platform investments we have made over the last several years, which enable higher quality data backed advice to clients.

Speaker 2

I would also like to again highlight the 20% organic growth in workplace management, which exceeded our expectations. This is largely related to expanding the contract scope and achieving KPIs for existing clients, some of which were new 2023 mandates where we delivered strongly against our original commitments. The runway in this business is powerful as we continue to win new mandates, which scale revenues and capitalize on our global full service platform. 2024 marks the 25th anniversary of being lifted on the New York Stock Exchange under the JLL ticker. And to celebrate this occasion, we will be ringing the closing bell on November 13.

Speaker 2

While 25 years is short in the context of a nearly 250 year history, it is an important milestone to recognize our journey as a public company. Alongside delivering the best of JLL to our clients, we are driven to generate strong shareholder value. I would like to thank our colleagues for all you do for JLL. I look forward to what we can achieve together. Operator, please explain the Q and A process.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. We'll go first to Stephen Sheldon at William Blair.

Speaker 4

Hey, thanks. And really nice results here. First, Karen, I think you maybe mentioned the capital markets pipeline is up, if I heard it correctly, high single digits. So just curious how you guys are thinking about maybe the potential cadence of the capital markets recovery as we think about the next 2 to 3 years. What could that potentially look like?

Speaker 2

Hi, it's Christian. Listen, a couple of markets environment has improved pretty steadily over the last couple of months. And so far, we also haven't seen any pause just because of the 10 year treasury going up again over the last couple of weeks. So we expect that to continue. There will be no kind of flat off new deals coming, but we will see a seasonal uptick now in the Q4 and then we expect a continuous improvement over the course of 2025.

Speaker 4

Got it. That's helpful. And then nice to see the acquisition arrays.

Speaker 2

Maybe can you talk to

Speaker 4

them about how you plan to leverage those capabilities across your existing leasing business? And then any detail on does that come over with any material revenue or what are the general profit implications there? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. RAISE is primarily a tenant representation leasing brokerage firm and the uniqueness is that they have developed a technology platform for use by our own brokers as a workflow tool, but it also provides a direct digital experience to clients. They are active in a couple of markets so far. It's a fairly small business, so the amount of revenue which is coming over is nice, but not meaningful for our overall leasing platform. But the attractiveness is that we are going to roll out that workflow tool to all our leasing brokers across the U.

Speaker 2

S. Over the course of the next 18 months and that will make them much more productive, but it also changes the experience for our clients.

Speaker 4

Great. Appreciate the detail and congrats on the results again.

Speaker 3

Yes. Let me just add a bit on the you asked the second part of the question around, did it come with any revenue and how do we think about profitability. So from a revenue perspective, relatively small amount is around 1% of our overall fee revenues in leasing. But how we're approaching this given the desire to roll this out across our entire leasing platform is to focus on making

Speaker 2

room

Speaker 3

in our overall expense profile by cutting other investments that we were previously making to focus on achieving attractive margins for this overall business as we absorb it into JLL. So we will generate a very attractive ROIC from our perspective within 3 years and then with cost offsets we're making our minimum ROIC hurdles achieved from year 2 onwards.

Operator

We'll go next to Anthony Paolone at JPMorgan.

Speaker 5

Yes, thanks. And nice quarter. So just a question on margins. I mean, it just looks like just backing into your guidance for the year that you'll land this year in the 14s in terms of margin and it's shaken out to be a pretty good year. Your long term range is 16% to 19%.

Speaker 5

And so I was wondering if you could just 1, tell us if that still feels like the right level we should be thinking about over time? And 2, what do you think needs to happen in terms of just the broader market to get there?

Speaker 3

1st, maybe I start by commenting on a little bit more color on the full year, in the range that we're providing. So we have given a range, the midpoint of our range is based on our transaction business pipelines at this point, which reflects typical seasonality in Capital Markets, slightly suppressed seasonality in leasing and then a continuation of the trends that we're we've seen in our resilient business lines and just calling out that we're mindful of overlapping new client wins in Workplace Management and also some really strong growth there. So that's the midpoint. If you think about the low end of our range, that's contemplating a slowdown in transaction activity from what we're experiencing to date. And that could result from any macroeconomic, geopolitical or interest rate risk that manifest in the market in the coming weeks.

Speaker 3

And then the high end of our range contemplates a more meaningful pickup in transaction activity, most notably in leasing. So that's how we're thinking about full year 2024. We do expect continued momentum going into 2025 based on the trends we're seeing today and we'll give more specifics on expectations for overall 2025 after the Q4. And I will call out that the midterm margin range that we previously communicated did assume some level of recovery in the transactional business lines overall.

Speaker 5

Okay. So but that 16% to 19%, you still need we should still think about that as needing a further recovery beyond kind of what we've been seeing recently in sort of leasing in capital markets?

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then, can you maybe just talk about capital allocation and where you see using your cash at this point?

Speaker 3

Yes. So from a capital allocation perspective, no change to what we've previously communicated on that topic. We're focused on continuing to reduce our leverage to the midpoint of our overall target range to reinvest in our business organically and then to pursue select M and A and share repurchases.

Speaker 2

Okay. That's all I got. Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

We'll go next to Michael Griffin at Citi.

Speaker 6

Hey, thanks. Just on the leasing numbers for this quarter, wondering if I get some more context, particularly around the office portion. Are you noticing if most of the demand is coming from the higher quality space or has there been maybe incremental demand from not top of the tier market product? And then have decision makers, they've been kicking their can down the road for the office space needs for a couple of years now, have they firmed up their expectation for office footprints?

Speaker 3

Yes. So a few different questions in there. I guess the first one is what trends do we see in office broadly in this quarter? So certainly, we still are seeing a focus on the highest quality office assets and that's a trend that has really persisted over the last several quarters. One notable thing that we're continuing to see is the increase of larger transaction sizes overall and that's something we've talked about that they had been more muted.

Speaker 3

They still remain. If you look at the U. S. Office transactions over 100,000 square feet are still below pre pandemic historical averages by about 50%, but we did see a meaningful uptick of around 45% in this quarter. So that's a notable trend overall.

Speaker 3

The second part of your question, which could you repeat? I'm sorry, I forgot it.

Speaker 6

Yes. No problem. Just have you noticed if space tenants are more confident in signing leases as opposed to kicking the can down the road?

Speaker 3

Yes. So we have seen some more signs of confidence. I guess a couple of different things we're looking at. There's sort of what has been signed and then what is the overall outlook. The what has been signed, we look at the availability rate relative to the overall vacancy rate.

Speaker 3

So the availability rate will include leases that have been signed but not yet commenced. So that will include both downsizing, expansions, right, overall net new leasing. Importantly, in the U. S, the availability rate has decreased for the first time since the pandemic. So we find that to be really notable and encouraging.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Karen. Appreciate the color there. And then maybe just some more insights into U. S. Capital markets activity.

Speaker 6

You called out that it was up about 30% year over year. That seems pretty strong to me. I mean, anything you're seeing in the U. S. From a growth perspective or investor interest that might have contributed to that relative to kind of the other regions?

Speaker 2

Sure. I mean, 1st and foremost, the U. S. Market is usually the market which is reacting the fastest on any kind of change in the market environment. And so it went down first and it will come up first.

Speaker 2

Secondly, if you look at the capital markets from a global perspective, the investable markets are unfortunately shrinking in the world and there's a tremendous amount of capital out there international investors, and they will look to invest into the U. S. Probably more so than invest into any other market at this point in time. So we see this significant demand coming from those type of investors into the U. S.

Speaker 2

Market, and that will be a strong support into 2025. We still have this kind of bifurcation between the different asset classes. Multifamily is still by far the strongest, but we see now that the interest in offices is starting to increase. The challenge there is that there is very little new product coming to the market. And so there is a focus on the super high quality products, and we see now much more of a competitive environment for those type of products when they come to market.

Speaker 6

Great. That's it for me. Thanks for the time.

Operator

We'll move next to Alex Kramm at UBS.

Speaker 7

Yes. Hey, good morning, everyone. Just on work dynamics, I think you mentioned a couple of times that you've exceeded your expectations here so far this year. I know you're lapping some of the onboarding and I think Christian you made a comment about benefiting really from the things that you had put in place in 2023. So just wondering if you look forward here over the next year, if you how you think about the expectations in general And maybe you can talk about competition in that space as well?

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. I mean the performance of our overall Work Dynamics business and specifically the Workplace Management business have been very, very strong in the Q3 again, frankly exceeding our own expectations. The underlying trend going forward is still very positive. You are asking about the competitive environment. The amount of companies who can really provide a global experience to our clients is very limited.

Speaker 2

And so we expect continuous strong demand from our services from existing clients, but as we have seen in the Q3 again from a lot of new clients coming to market. And so we are just very happy about the outlook and will continue to put a lot of focus and emphasis on that business going forward.

Speaker 7

All right. Fair enough. And then maybe a little bit of a nitty gritty question here on the margin side, in particular in Capital Markets. Given the strong performance, I think I would have expected the incrementals to be a little bit better year over year. I think leasing was really strong, but in capital markets, certainly softer.

Speaker 7

So is there anything one time ish going on there? Should we think about the incrementals similarly in the 4th quarter, which obviously a very strong order for capital markets expectations?

Speaker 3

Yes. So from quarter to quarter, you can see some level of anomaly in the longer term average incremental margins that we experienced in certain business lines. And that certainly holds true for capital markets. The things that can impact that are really a mix of business both by geography and by service line and then certainly timing of expenses which could impact the margin profile in a particular quarter. If you look at year to date for Capital Markets and you adjust out for the $18,000,000 Fannie Mae loan expenses is around just over 40% year to date, which is really more in line with the historical average incrementals of 35% to 40%.

Speaker 6

All right. Very good. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Operator

We'll go next to Peter Abramowitz at Jefferies.

Speaker 8

Thanks for the time. Yes, I just wanted to dive a little deeper into Karen's comment around the pipeline for investment sales and debt and equity advisory up high single digits. I guess just trying to frame how we should think about that. Is that kind of how you're thinking about revenue growth into the Q4? And then potentially that's kind of what you're building on into 2025?

Speaker 2

Well, as we said before, the overall environment is continuously improving in our Capital Markets business, and that is true for the investment sales side as well as it is for the debt advisory side. So I'm not quite sure that I completely get your question where you want to have us to be more specific here. It's the outlook is very positive on all areas in our Capital Markets business, and we continue to win market share in that business.

Speaker 8

Right. I guess I'm just trying to understand whether that's sort of a proxy for what you expect your revenues to be up in that line in the Q4 when you say high

Speaker 1

single digits?

Speaker 3

No, no, no, it's not.

Speaker 8

Okay. Got it. Got it. And then one on the leasing side, one of the themes in office, I think from especially earlier in this year is pent up demand coming off of the sidelines from deals that were sort of put aside in 'twenty three, whether it was recession fears or the regional banking fears. So that seems to have helped the market in 2024.

Speaker 8

I guess just curious how you're thinking about sort of that segment of office leasing, whether that's something that's sustainable into 2024 and any other themes we should be thinking about into 2025 as you sort of plan around for what you're expecting?

Speaker 3

Yes. So if we think we're largely through a lot of the initial pent up demand and people are pushing to take decisions now, one of the things we look at is the OECD confidence index because that tends to be a leading indicator for the 2 to 3 quarter period of time in terms of what will happen in terms of new decisions being taken. That's holding steady. So we feel good about that and it has been positive for the last few quarters and we're seeing that continue. Some of what we expect to see is continued RTO impacts for the Fortune 100 companies.

Speaker 3

The average return to requirements have increased from a year ago at 2.2 days per week to 3.3 days per week. And so we see expect to see some more positive momentum there as well. And so we don't at this stage expect any major deviations from the trends we're seeing in office, which is falling is different to what's happening in industrial leasing at the moment.

Speaker 8

Got it. And I guess if I could ask one more, what are your expectations around industrial leasing? I know it's been maybe a weaker spot on the leasing side, Joe. So just I know you mentioned in the slide deck declining delivery, so that should help on the supply side, but any other thoughts to frame how we should think about industrial leasing into 2025?

Speaker 3

Yes. Industrial leasing, it's an interesting one because we're saying, oh, it's slowing and there's reduced growth levels, but it's off at an extremely high starting point. And so leasing volumes are down, demand has moderated and continues to moderate. Right now, activity is in line with pre pandemic averages though and the long term outlook remains favorable as we work through some of the current demand pullback. For the U.

Speaker 3

S. Specifically, just to give a little bit more color, leasing volumes are down 26 percent year over year and the vacancy rose slightly, but it's still at 6.8%, right? So it's still a healthy vacancy rate there. And then we're seeing an uptick in pre leasing of new construction. The pre leasing rates in the quarter improved modestly to around 40% of space under construction and are still positive rental growth in the U.

Speaker 3

S. At just over 3%. So some softness relative to where it's been that we expect will persist here for a bit, but no meaningful change to the medium and longer term strength that we expect in industrial markets.

Speaker 8

All right. That's all for me. Congrats on a great quarter.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jade Rahmani at KBW.

Speaker 2

Thanks so much. Based on

Speaker 9

what you're seeing so far, would you characterize the outlook for commercial real estate recovery as modest or potentially very strong? Past cycles where interest rates were lower, we did see sharp recoveries. So

Speaker 1

just want

Speaker 9

to get a sense for how you think about things.

Speaker 2

That's a pretty wide range between modest and very strong. I would place it exactly into the middle. It's certainly better than modest, but I wouldn't say it's very strong. But the outlook is positive for 2025.

Speaker 9

And you commented that so far you haven't seen any impact from higher treasury rates on transaction pipeline. But do you expect higher treasury rates to dampen the outlook, particularly for multifamily?

Speaker 2

At least for the probably next couple of quarters, I don't think that we will have any negative impact from higher treasury rates. I expect to see an increased demand across all asset classes for our Capital Markets business. Whatever the interest rates will do longer term, if it goes up too far, then that may have an impact on multifamily because that is a sector which is still very much driven by domestic investors. But on the other hand, as I alluded to earlier, office, industrial and large retail is also very interesting for international investors and they are coming to the U. S.

Speaker 2

From an allocation point of view and they are less impacted whether the interest rates are 50 basis points higher or lower.

Speaker 9

In terms of the announcement to strengthen building operations and focus on digital leasing capabilities, Now what went into the thinking there, if you could explain more about the strategic rationale?

Speaker 2

So you're talking about our property management realignment?

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 2

We are constantly looking at our organizational design and any opportunities to capture further synergies and to drive a better experience for our clients and frankly also to become more productive as a platform. And this is exactly what we are doing here. The primary goal is to drive those synergies across our platform innovation and client experience, because our Property Management business provides a pretty similar expertise and has a pretty similar operating model as our Workplace Management business, which sits within Work Dynamics. And so that's the reasoning why we are putting that under one leadership. And we also believe that it makes JLL just easier to understand because these operationally similar businesses are now grouped together under one P and L.

Speaker 9

Lastly would be just around 2025. I know you haven't given any outlook, you'll do that next quarter. But in terms of growth expectations, do you think something similar to what we saw this quarter is reasonable to extrapolate? I think most are assuming around 15%, 20% growth in leasing and capital markets at least for next year. Just wondering if you think the growth is sustainable?

Speaker 3

Yes. Why don't we'd prefer to see the full results of the year before we comment on growth rates to extrapolate into 2025. So we're all clear on the baseline we're starting from for that conversation. So stay tuned.

Speaker 9

Thank you very

Operator

much. We'll move next to Patrick O'Shaughnessy at Raymond James.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. Can you speak to the relative importance to the industry of the short end of the rate curve versus the long end of the curve? So as we think about the long end moving up in recent weeks, but expectation of the Fed to continue cutting the Fed funds rate, how does the net impact of that impact the industry?

Speaker 2

That's a great question. I'm not sure that anybody has a scientific answer to that. Short term interest rates are obviously very relevant for any kind of developments. They are relevant more so on the high end opportunistic market, so the high yielding products versus the core assets, long term holders are relating more to the long term end. So that makes it so difficult to translate that into the amount of business we can expect from those interest rate movements and how relevant they are for us.

Speaker 2

But I would go back to what I said earlier. Overall, the trend line we see around interest rates is favorable for the recovery of the capital markets environment, and we expect that to be the case even though we see that uptick on the 10 year rates over the last couple of weeks, but I wouldn't get overly concerned about that looking forward.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you. And then you took out or you borrowed €800,000,000 of commercial paper in the quarter and paid down most of your credit facility. Can you speak to the rationale of switching your borrowing methodology a little bit?

Speaker 3

Sure. I'll take that. It's really to reduce the overall interest rate on our outstanding borrowings. That was approximately a 60 basis points differential and benefit.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you.

Operator

And that concludes our Q and A session. I will now turn the conference back over to Christian Albrecht for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you for that. With no further questions, we will close today's call. On behalf of the entire JLL team, we thank you all for participating on the call today. Karen and I look forward to speaking with you again following the Q4.

Operator

And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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