Performance Food Group Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 6, 2024

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to PFG's Fiscal Year Q1 2025 Earnings Conference Call. I would now like to turn the call over to Bill Marshall, Vice President, Investor Relations for PFG. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Shelby, and good morning. We're here with George Holm, PFG's CEO and Patrick Hatcher, PFG's CFO. We issued a press release this morning regarding our 2025 fiscal Q1 results, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website atpfgc.com. During our call today, unless otherwise stated, we are comparing results to results in the same period in fiscal 2024. The results discussed on this call will include GAAP and non GAAP results adjusted for certain items.

Speaker 1

The reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to the corresponding GAAP measures can be found in the back of the earnings release. Our remarks on this call and in the earnings release contain forward looking statements and projections of future results. Please review the cautionary forward looking statements section in today's earnings release and our SEC filings for various factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from our forward looking statements and projections. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to George.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Bill. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. It has been a busy beginning to fiscal year 2025 as we have built business momentum, particularly in our Foodservice segment, while closing 2 excellent acquisitions. This morning, I will discuss the early progress we have made on both Jose Santiago and Janney Brothers and then review some highlights from our fiscal Q1. Patrick will then discuss our financial results and outlook for fiscal year 2025.

Speaker 2

I will then provide some closing comments before taking your questions. We are proud of how our organization has performed over the past 3 months. Our three segments have executed our strategy very well and produced strong results. The consumer landscape has provided some challenges, but I am pleased to report that we have started to see signs of stability that we believe could put us on a solid foundation for the remainder of the fiscal year. Before getting into more specifics on our business, I wanted to say a few words about our acquisition activity.

Speaker 2

As we discussed in August, we acquired Jose Santiago early in the fiscal year. Jose Santiago is a leading broad line food service distributor in Puerto Rico with good growth momentum and attractive margins. Over the past 3 plus months, we have worked diligently to integrate their business into PFG's food service operations. This process has gone extremely well due largely to the hard work by the teams at both Jose Santiago and PFG. The team in Puerto Rico is proving to be an excellent cultural fit and has already contributed nicely to PFG's business results in the fiscal Q1.

Speaker 2

In early October, we closed the Cheney Brothers acquisition. I'd like to thank the team at Cheney Brothers as well as PFG for the long hours put in to get this deal across the finish line. We are ready for the early close raising $1,000,000,000 through the issuance of new notes during September, which allowed us to pay down a portion of our ABL facility and provided us with additional borrowing capacity to fund the acquisition. Patrick will discuss the financial details shortly. While it has only been 1 month since the close of the Cheney deal, we have already made a great deal of progress on boarding Cheney's organization.

Speaker 2

We welcome the roughly 3,600 associates from Cheney Brothers to PFG. The Southeast region representing the majority of Cheney's operations has experienced a difficult few months due to the hurricane activity. The focus of our organization has been 1st and foremost on the well-being of our associates. As a food service distributor, we also play an important role in the food supply chain. As an organization, we have been able to ship much needed food supplies across the Southeastern United States and Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2

While it will take some time for these areas to fully rebuild, our businesses are fully operational and continuing to service our customers. I'm proud of the active role our company and associates played in assisting areas impacted by the storms. In addition to supporting organizations like the American Red Cross, Mercy Chefs and World Central Kitchen, our associates stepped up to help each other and the communities where they live and work by volunteering to provide supplies, food and meals to first responders and those impacted. Looking ahead, we are incredibly excited about the opportunity Cheney Brothers brings to PFG. As discussed in August, Cheney's operations complement our legacy business.

Speaker 2

Cheney's strength in Florida, particularly with broad line independent customers, enhances our existing business in the region, which skews more towards the specialty area of the business. The Cheyney Brothers distribution facility in North Carolina rounds out the portfolio, providing us with additional scale across the Southeastern United States. Cheyney Brothers assets, particularly their distribution facilities are exceptionally high quality and state of the art. It is rare to find an asset that is operating at scale, but still has room to grow. Cheney's excess capacity should enable us to accelerate growth, build scale and route density across the Southeast region.

Speaker 2

In August, we provided data showing the positive demographic profile of this region, which is available on our website. Cheney Bros. High exposure to independent restaurants is reflected in constant sales growth, high profit per case and EBITDA margin well above PFG's corporate average. At the same time, we believe that Cheney's relatively low private brand penetration provides a very attractive opportunity to enhance both top line growth and margins. Our legacy foodservice operations have been incredibly successful at expanding our Performance brand offerings to independent restaurants.

Speaker 2

In fiscal year 2014, Performance Brands represented just over 39% of independent brand share. In the most recent quarter, Performance Brands represented nearly 53% of total sales to independent restaurants. Many of you are familiar with the Rhinehart acquisition and the value created from that transaction. Similar to Chaney, Rhinehart was under penetrated in private brands. But in the years since we have owned the operation, we have been able to expand Rhinehart's private brand portfolio penetration to levels that are similar to legacy Performance Foodservice.

Speaker 2

We believe the private brand opportunity at Cheyney is even larger. In fact, our integration strategy for Cheyney is very similar to that of Reinhart. We believe we have acquired a very high quality asset that is on excellent growth trajectory. Our initial efforts were focused on integrating the organization while minimizing any impact to J and D's associates, customers and suppliers. Over time, we will share best practices across the 2 organizations and expect to accelerate sales and profit growth as a combined entity.

Speaker 2

Patrick will discuss some of our specific financial goals from the transaction in a moment. The Cheyney Brothers transaction fits nicely with our total PFG strategy to continue to build upon a leading position in the food away from home space. Cheney is another high quality growth asset in the foodservice space and we are excited to add this organization to PFG. Foodservice is an important piece of the total PFG portfolio. However, what defines us are the additional avenues for growth including Vistar and Core Mark.

Speaker 2

The combination of these three units provides a powerful offering that we believe appeals to customers across the food away from home landscape. As our organization continues to grow both organically and through targeted M and A opportunities, PFG is increasingly a leader in the food away from home space. In late October, IFTTT held its national championship event in Orlando, Florida. The event honored some of the industry's safest associates allowing them to compete in a range of skill competitions. PFG had a fantastic showing including 95 associates and over 300 PFG attendees including family and friends to support the event.

Speaker 2

PFG's associates accepted a number of awards across multiple categories within warehouse and transportation events. 4 of our competitors' children were recognized for their essays detailing why their PFG parent was their hero. It's a great event and PFG is proud of participant in leading the industry forward. In October, our Core Mark business displayed its strength in the convenience space at the National Association of Convenience Stores Conference. Core Mark's offerings not only in traditional center of the store convenience, but in food service products tailored to the convenience landscape set PFG apart.

Speaker 2

Our three segments are working together to create cross selling opportunities that we believe will produce additional market share opportunities. Technology is an increasingly important part of our cross segment collaboration and selling. One platform that we are particularly excited about is our customer first digital ordering application. We began discussing this initiative at our June 2022 Investor Day. Since then, we have expanded the offering across the organization and are seeing excellent progress.

Speaker 2

At PFG, we believe that our sales force should always be at the frontline of our selling efforts, a key competitive advantage that has allowed our company to consistently gain market share. At the same time, we have continued to provide our sales team and our customers with the tools, resources and knowledge to help them grow their businesses. Importantly, customer first will eventually be rolled out across all three business segments, allowing cross selling opportunities that we believe will further enhance our value proposition. Overall, I am proud of our organization's performance and believe that we are well positioned to continue executing our growth strategy. I'll now turn it over to Patrick who will review our financial performance and outlook.

Speaker 2

I will then return with some final comments on our quarter and the business environment. Patrick?

Speaker 3

Thank you, George, and good morning. PFG is off to a strong start in fiscal 2025 with net sales results at the upper end of our previously disclosed guidance range and adjusted EBITDA just above the midpoint of our previously disclosed guidance range. We are very pleased with the top line momentum, which has slightly accelerated early in the fiscal Q2, providing a high degree of confidence in our 2025 outlook. Before discussing our fiscal 2025 plan, let's review some highlights from our Q1. PFG's net sales grew 3.2% in the fiscal Q1, a one point acceleration compared to the Q4 of 2024.

Speaker 3

Our top line performance remains balanced between volume improvement and net price realization. Total case volume increased 2.6 percent including a 7.8% increase in total independent restaurant volume. Excluding acquisitions, our total volume increased 1.2% in the fiscal Q1 including a 4.3% gain in our independent restaurant cases. As we enter the fiscal 2nd quarter, we are seeing a slight acceleration in both total and independent case growth, which we believe is a reflection of our customers driving foot traffic and signs of stabilization from the consumer. The total company cost inflation was about 5% for the fiscal Q1.

Speaker 3

Foodservice cost inflation was 3.8% in the quarter, an acceleration from the end of fiscal 2024 due to double digit year over year inflation in poultry and cheese. Cost inflation in the Convenience segment was 7% consistent with the trends seen in the fiscal Q4. Vistar's cost inflation continued to decelerate sequentially and was up 1.9% in the fiscal Q1 on a year over year basis. Inflation was slightly more than anticipated in the quarter, particularly in the Foodservice segment, but we believe we are well equipped to manage the price volatility as a normal course of business. Total company gross profit increased 6.1% in the fiscal Q1, representing a gross profit per case increase of $0.23 in the Q1 as compared to the prior year's period.

Speaker 3

We have continued to see excellent cost control once again led by an outstanding profit performance from Foodservice and Convenience segments. Both Foodservice and Convenience produced double digit adjusted EBITDA growth in the quarter increasing 13.8% and 11.2% respectively. Vistar did see a modest adjusted EBITDA decrease driven by continued lower foot traffic in some of our customers' channels. The balance across our three segments displays our strong diversification strategy. We anticipate Vistar's results to improve towards the back half of the fiscal year.

Speaker 3

We expect to build upon these strong profit results as we move through fiscal 2025, which I will address in a moment when I review our guidance. In the Q1 of fiscal 2025 PFG reported net income of $108,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA increased 7.3% to approximately $412,000,000 above the midpoint of the guidance we announced last quarter. Diluted earnings per share in the fiscal Q1 was $0.69 while adjusted diluted earnings per share was $1.16 a 0.9% improvement year over year. Our effective tax rate of 26.5 percent in the Q1 was up slightly compared to the 26.1 percent rate in the last year's comparable period. Turning to our financial position and cash flow performance.

Speaker 3

In the 1st 3 months of fiscal 2025, PFG generates $53,500,000 of operating cash flow. This includes a sizable investment in candy and tobacco inventory during the quarter in anticipation of future potential price increases. We often invest in increasing the inventory of these two categories because of manufacturer pricing activity, which allows us to generate a holding gain profit. We believe that this is a very efficient use of our balance sheet and cash flow position, generating a high rate of return in future periods. We also increased our capital spending in the quarter to $96,500,000 We've been actively building new capacity in state of the art warehouse facilities as well as building our fleet to support our long term growth.

Speaker 3

Some of the capital spending is a catch up from delays in building and fleet purchases due to disruption in the global supply chain following the pandemic. In fact, we expect over 10 new building projects to come online over the next 12 months. We believe these new facilities will not only support our consistent top line growth, but also incorporate designs and technologies to provide long term cost efficiencies. Our balance sheet remains healthy, supporting our capital projects and M and A activity. Our debt balances increased during the fiscal Q1 reflecting the ABL borrowings used to finance the Jose Santiago acquisition, putting our leverage just above the midpoint of our 2.5 times to 3.5 times target range.

Speaker 3

As you know, we closed the Cheney Brothers acquisition early in the fiscal Q2. As a result, we expect our net leverage to be above the top end of our target range when we close the Q2. We expect to use available cash flow to pay down our ABL facility and bring our leverage back to within our target range over the next several quarters. We feel very comfortable with our debt balance at this time and have historically operated well above our current leverage. With that said, we believe our 2.5 times to 3.5 times target range provides future opportunities to use our balance sheet to finance reinvestment including capital spending, M and A and share repurchases.

Speaker 3

On the topic of share repurchases, during the fiscal Q1, we paid $29,500,000 to acquire 400,000 shares of our company at an average price of $74.69 There is about $181,000,000 remaining on the $300,000,000 share repurchase authorization. While our share repurchase activity remains active, we may execute lower levels of buybacks due to the early closing of the Cheney acquisition as we look to reduce our leverage in the short term. With that said, our share repurchases reflect several factors including market conditions, our share price and relative valuation and we may become more active with our share repurchases depending on those conditions. Turning to our guidance for fiscal 2025. For the full year, we expect net sales to be within the $62,500,000,000 to $63,500,000,000 range.

Speaker 3

We expect adjusted EBITDA to be in a range of $1,700,000,000 to $1,800,000,000 We increased both our net sales and adjusted EBITDA outlook with the close of the Chaney acquisition early October. These ranges include estimated Chaney results representing approximately 12 for the 13 weeks in the fiscal Q2 and a full year's benefit from Jose Santiago. We feel very comfortable with our net sales and adjusted EBITDA targets and have become increasingly optimistic due to improving industry trends. For the 2nd fiscal quarter of 2025, we anticipate net sales to be in a $15,200,000,000 to $15,600,000,000 range with adjusted EBITDA in a $400,000,000 to $420,000,000 range. As a reminder, the Cheney acquisition will only impact 12 weeks versus 13 weeks of the quarter's financial results.

Speaker 3

Our guidance includes the expected benefits from the Cheney acquisition that we discussed in August, notably $50,000,000 in annual run rate synergies by the 3rd full fiscal year following closing and accretion to adjusted diluted EPS by the end of the 1st full fiscal year including year 1 synergies. To summarize, we are very pleased with our start to fiscal 2025. Our underlying business is on a strong footing setting us up well for the future. Meanwhile, we have closed 2 excellent acquisitions since the beginning of the fiscal year and both are expected to add nicely to our growth and margins. Our balance sheet is healthy and we intend to continue to use our financial position to create shareholder value through reinvestment in our businesses along with selective M and A, share repurchase activity and leverage reduction.

Speaker 3

Our capital allocation decisions are always based on marketplace conditions, but at this time we would expect to emphasize debt reduction due to the timing of the Cheney close. I would now like to turn it back to George, who will close with some thoughts about our results and industry. As Patrick mentioned, we're excited about the future of our business.

Speaker 2

All three of our operating segments are executing well despite a challenging external environment. Our Foodservice segment has continued to build market share and grown cases ahead of the industry trends. Convenience continues to pick up momentum. Despite industry declines in convenience, our business outperformed all major categories and was able to increase sales and profit nicely. And as we look out across the landscape, we are starting to see a better backdrop.

Speaker 2

Vistar continues to experience a challenging macroeconomic environment, but we are pleased with the progress they have made on several emerging channels and are confident that they will resume the strong top and bottom line momentum that we are accustomed to seeing. As we look across the landscape, we are pleased to report that over the past few weeks, we have seen an uptick in our volume performance, particularly in independent restaurants and expect our fiscal Q2 to improve sequentially. Keep in mind, we experienced a very strong December in fiscal 2024, but as we enter the back half of the year, we're increasingly confident that we will experience an acceleration in our top and bottom line trends. Our results both with our underlying businesses and the new opportunities that Cheney and Jose Santiago are due to the hard work of our associates across the country. I believe we have some of the best talent in the foodservice industry and I'm confident that we will continue to build upon our position as a leading food service distribution company in the United States.

Speaker 2

Before opening the line to take your questions, I wanted to take a moment to recognize Pat Hagerty ahead of his upcoming retirement. Pat has been part of the Vistar organization for over 30 years, most recently serving as PFG's Chief Commercial Officer. Pat has been an integral part of our company's success for decades. In 2008, he was named President and CEO of Vistar and went on to shape that organization into what it has become today. From the time Pat took the helm of Vistar through the end of fiscal 2024, the organization has expanded into a number of new channels, growing the top line by over 240% and become the highest margin contributing segment to Performance Food Group's bottom line.

Speaker 2

I would like to personally thank Pat for his decades of service and dedication to our organization. I wish him the best in retirement. Thank you for your time today. We appreciate your interest in Performance Food Group. And with that, we'd be happy to take your questions.

Operator

And we'll take our first question from Mark Carden with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Good morning, guys. Thanks so much for taking the question. So to start, just on the sales force, are you guys seeing much of a normalization on your pace of tires at this point? And has compensation for these tires shifted at all just given the tough

Speaker 5

macro? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. We've been fairly consistent with the growth of our sales force. We're running in the 5% to 6% range. And that's about where our growth has been running of late. So we feel good about what we're doing there and really no big changes from a comp standpoint.

Speaker 2

Our people are commission salespeople, so they to some degree write their own paycheck.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. And then just in terms of on your independent case growth, obviously it picked up a little bit from July. It sounds like you exited the quarter on a high note. How did that play out throughout the quarter from a cadence perspective? And then are you seeing any surprising pockets of strength or weakness from a category standpoint just within your business?

Speaker 2

Yes. We're seeing a point to 2 point increase better than we ran in the Q1 so far. But I want to caution that the 2nd fiscal quarter last year for us, we had 8.7% independent case growth. And December was 10.9%, a strong kind of party season and the calendar fell very well as far as the amount of time between Thanksgiving and Christmas. So that said, each week actually has gotten better since we've gotten into the Q2.

Speaker 2

So we're real confident, particularly confident about the back half of the year. And we're continuing to add people who would like to get a little bit above that range we're at right now that 5% to 6% and more into the seven plus percent increase in salespeople and we're determined to get there. We just have to find the right people.

Speaker 6

Thanks so much, good luck. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Kelly Bania with BMO Capital. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. George, I was wondering if you can just kind of elaborate on the signs of the stability. I mean, you talked about a little acceleration here. I think it sounds like with independents.

Speaker 7

But can you maybe go channel by channel and what you're seeing in consumer behavior? What you think is changing? And then I just had a quick follow-up with respect to Cheney, if we have time.

Speaker 6

Okay.

Speaker 2

At this point, I don't know that how much of our increase that we're experiencing so far this quarter is us just doing a better job or the market itself. I think we'll get a better feel for that as we get some of our market share numbers. But our ability, I guess, to gain share in the independent has been quite consistent. It's just that the market has been down. From what we see, it's somewhere in that 3% negative to the previous year.

Speaker 2

If you look at last year, though, as we got through our fiscal Q2, I'm sure everyone remembers that January was really tough. So we expect to see some better increases as we get further into it. As far as where that growth is coming from, for us, it certainly has not come from casual dining chains. We have some that are really struggling there. We've seen some fast food chains that we supply do better, but they're more at the high end of the QSR.

Speaker 2

And then our independent business is really more towards the high end. And I think that the there's challenges probably in maybe that bottom 20% of income. And we're still seeing those, I would say, more price sensitive QSR chains. We're seeing them continuing to be challenged this year's numbers versus last year's numbers.

Speaker 7

Can you talk a little bit about convenience and Vistar on the same note?

Speaker 2

Sure. I think that there's an adjustment going on there in convenience with price increases. I mean, they're used to price increases. As we've said earlier, they have a 5% inflation rate, which to us is still high. And I think the consumer is just adjusting to that.

Speaker 2

And we're running mid single digit same store sales declines in that business. As far as Vistar goes, we have some challenges in the theater part of our business. Number 1, it being somewhat soft and number 2, we have some competitive challenges there. In retail, we've seen the same thing as far as the traffic not being there. Value stores more so not being there.

Speaker 2

And then we've had several closings of accounts where we had the I guess I would call it the impulse buy business, the product is at the cash register. And then we've seen it in value stores where there's been some fairly heavy closings.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. And I just wanted to ask about Cheney and the integration timeline. Has anything changed with how you approach integrations of acquisitions of that size? And I guess, particularly, I was wondering if you had any color on the cadence of the synergies that you expect kind of year 1, year 2, year 3?

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, the integration, I guess, it depends on how you define integration. But we're doing our best to only do the things that we need to do. We put them through a lot, as you can imagine, with due diligence. They spent some long hours.

Speaker 2

We're just getting the integration done that we need to get done, I guess, as a public company, probably be a good way to put it. And then as far as synergies, I think a lot of those will develop in the 2nd 3rd year. We don't look at getting synergies from the people part of the business. They're running intact, and that's what we want. They're doing very well, by the way.

Speaker 2

I know it's only 1 month, but their sales growth has been really pleasing. And a lot of it will come from brands as we mentioned. But with those brands, first of all, we need to figure out what brands they have today that we would adopt as a company and consider them to be our brands. And then as we offer the product up to them, it's their decision as to whether or not they use our branded products. And that typically takes time, but no different than a Rhinehart situation or a Cormark or Merchants.

Speaker 2

We'll get the synergies. They may come quick, they may come slow. And I mean that, it could be either way. It just depends on what they want to adopt And what's more important than when we get those synergies is how the company continues to perform as part of our company. And sometimes you can get so focused on getting those synergies that it has a negative impact on the company.

Speaker 2

And going from a private company where they can pick up their cell phone and call the owner and have a conversation to being part of a large public company, We want to make that as seamless as possible for the people. So we're not overly focused right now on synergies, but we're very confident that those will develop.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from John Heinbockel with Guggenheim. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hey, guys. I want to start with the 10 new buildings, right? So can you sort of talk through what segments they're in? Are they net new facilities? Are they replacements, Automation, right?

Speaker 8

And have you been capacity constrained not from a salesperson standpoint, but from a physical standpoint?

Speaker 2

Yes. We have physical constraints, that is for sure. We don't necessarily have 10 new buildings, okay. We have one that's a replacement building. We have several that are additions to existing buildings.

Speaker 2

Where we have these projects going up, they're almost all in foodservice. We do have a new distribution center for Core Mark, which will be in Houston, Texas. And I might have to turn to Pat on this. I think that's the only one we have that is not foodservice. There's a Vistar expansion.

Speaker 2

Okay. And then maybe So I would make sure we're clear with this. So we have 10, what we would call major projects going on, but not ten new buildings.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then maybe the other thing, right, you had good success, I think, over the past 6 months in all three segments of picking up chunky business, right? I guess non independent. What's your outlook here, right, for the next, I don't know, 6 to 12 or 18 months along those lines? Similar opportunity in those 3 and in particular, right, Core Mark, I know there's chunky stuff out there in RFPs.

Speaker 8

How do you size that over the next year or 2? Is it potentially much bigger than what we've gotten recently?

Speaker 2

We have plenty in the pipeline. We typically don't respond to RFPs. We have a couple within that segment that we are. We would be showing some excellent growth in Core Mark if the same store sales weren't as negative as they are. So we're feeling very good there.

Speaker 2

We have business that we've already signed that we have coming in that we're not shipping yet. And we're experiencing double digit growth in the foodservice part of not only our Core Mark business, but of the business that we do in the convenience stores out of Performance Foodservice. And they've come a long way. Thank you. Yes, our pipeline in foodservice is also fairly good, but our focus right now is heavily on the independent customer.

Speaker 2

We've got some great national account customers that are new. We're continuing to be in conversation with people. But that part of our business, we do have some accounts that are showing some pretty serious declines. And I think it's great that we've been able to overcome that.

Speaker 8

Thank you,

Speaker 2

guys. Thanks, John.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Lauren Silverman with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Thank you very much and congrats on the quarter. I wanted to ask about the EBITDA guide. Raised it about $100,000,000 for Chaney interquarter. I think you guys are it was closer to $159,000,000 on a TTM basis. So is there any change in your expectation for the core business?

Speaker 9

Is there relative conservatism in terms of changing expectations? Just any additional color there would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Lauren, this is Patrick. Thanks for the question. When we looked at the increase in the guidance, your numbers are correct. I mean obviously we're going to get about 38 weeks of Chaney. And but we feel very confident on how the core has been performing.

Speaker 3

As we talked about, we've seen a good Q1 and then we progressed nicely since Q1 on some of our key metrics like independent cases. It's been very early. We just closed Cheney just about a month ago. As George mentioned, we've seen some early numbers and they look good. Jose Santiago is performing exactly where we want them to be.

Speaker 3

So as I mentioned, we see a lot more confidence as we go throughout the progressing of the year. But if you look at that guidance range we gave you, we feel like it's ample room on both sides.

Speaker 2

Yes, I want to make a comment on that as well. At the time that we put that guidance out, we were dealing with the hurricane and another one came after. And that's basically had some effect on the entire distribution area for Cheney. So I thought it made a lot of sense for us to be cautious about that. They are performing extremely well and we'll be looking at our guidance as we go through the year very closely.

Speaker 2

We also have this to deal with as far as we're seeing our growth accelerate and we had such a big December last year as I mentioned earlier. So we're trying to be cautious about that. But as these weeks have been clipping down, we've just seen continued improvement and we haven't seen much of an impact on Cheney from these hurricanes. They've done real well all the way through it. So we'll keep looking at this.

Speaker 2

We'll continue to be cautious, but we'll update our guidance when we find it to be appropriate.

Speaker 9

Very helpful. Appreciate that. And then just a follow-up on the private label penetration that you discussed. So PSG is at I think 53%. Where is Cheney running currently?

Speaker 9

And just looking at Reinhart as a read through, where was Reinhart when you first acquired it relative to where it's running now?

Speaker 2

Well, Reinhart is a different situation than Cheyney. So I'm not going to try not to take too much time with this. But Reinhart's increased their penetration by about 10%. So they were in the 40s, very low 40s, but they were in the 40s. And we've kept a good bit of their portfolio in place and adopted that as our branded products.

Speaker 2

And then over time, they have made some pretty substantial moves into our product offering. With Cheney, we're not in a position where we really know what their percentage is because we don't know which of those brands that we're going to adopt. Now Craig Hoskins and Joe Dobbie and myself, so 3 of our people went to a recent food show that they had and we saw a lot of product that we felt would be a good fit for the company as a whole. So we're going to continue to work with them on that, but I want to emphasize again that it's their choice, which of our brands they adopt. And it is our Opco's legacy Performance One's choice if they adopt some of the ones that are stock that change.

Speaker 2

But we have to get our arms around exactly what they have and what we want to offer up to them because you don't want to do too much at one time. And quite frankly, as they should be, they're very proud of the brand offerings that they have and we don't want to disrupt that. So I really can't give you a number as to what's right now. By the time we have this next call, you can ask that question again and we'll have it. We'll have a good answer.

Speaker 9

Great. Will do. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Alex Slagle with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning. As a follow-up, I don't know if you could comment on the magnitude of the impact from the hurricanes if there was any. It sounds like you're pretty happy with how things progressed. And then just on Cheney, how fast that closed, which was faster than we expected?

Speaker 5

Were there certain dynamics that allowed to that? Or how did that play out?

Speaker 2

Well, if you look at our position, particularly in Florida, we stayed pretty specialized. The bulk of our business in Florida is pizza business and then chain business. And there's other parts of the country. We're pretty cognizant about kind of sticking to what we can do well with our current facilities and our current position in the marketplace. And I think that led to us being able to get this done quickly.

Speaker 2

And then as far as the impact from the hurricanes, it has been very little. Now we're putting the numbers together as far as the number of accounts that we totally lost, and it's fairly substantial. But what often happens is it just helps the average unit volumes for the people that are still open. And because the biggest impacts are right on the coast, that tends to be a higher percentage of independent restaurants versus chain restaurants. So we're seeing it greater in the independent world.

Speaker 2

Not material though, it's surprisingly not material. They just did a great job of working their way through this.

Speaker 5

Got it. And the cheese inflation, what's your visibility look like on that for the year ahead? And is there any potential implications, cheese or I guess anything else?

Speaker 2

Cheese is still inflated over the previous year, but sequentially cheese has been going down for a couple of months now. That's right.

Speaker 10

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Andrew Wolf with C. L. King. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Thanks. Good morning. This question first is for George. Just looking at the 2 acquisitions combined, Cheney and Jose Santiago, it's not as big as Reinhart, but they're big and it approaches that. So in a general sense, do you see these as similar to be sort of a catalyst for growth, both market share and otherwise in the way that Reinhart was?

Speaker 2

Yes. I see both of them as being very good impactful acquisitions. If you put the 2 together, it does represent more EBITDA than Reinhart did at the time. Now Reinhart, the EBITDA has doubled and I don't expect that to see that happen. These are more matured from an earnings standpoint.

Speaker 2

And actually, the Cheyney is very similar EBITDA margins that to what we have and what we call our full broad line companies, very similar. But there is a big difference and that's that they've been a better grower than some of our big companies have been. I think that the other impact that we'll get from Cheney and that's why it could prove to be the best one that we've done in spite of the incredible earnings growth that Reinhart has put out is I think it's going to have a great impact on our existing distribution centers in that area. We'll run them as kind of 2 separate go to market, but we do now have the opportunity to broaden our offerings in the distribution centers that we have that overlap with them. And we have a lot of experience in overlapping, not as much experience where we purchased someone that was bigger than us in the markets, but we had some of that in Reinhart.

Speaker 2

The upper Midwest was a weak area for us. Reinhart did extremely well. We've coexisted and with slightly different brand offerings and very different total product offerings. And I think that's the same thing that will happen with Cheney. We will coexist.

Speaker 2

We'll add at least one more Cheney distribution center. And I just have just great, great feelings about where Cheney is going to head for us. Great management team, going to their show. I was shocked at how many people that I met there that I've worked with in the past. So that are currently at Cheney.

Speaker 2

So I think they to some degree know us and we know them and it's going to be a good mix.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thanks for that color. Patrick, I wanted to ask about your CapEx, pointing out the CapEx and the 10 projects in different phases,

Speaker 2

if

Speaker 11

you will. You did ramp up CapEx spending last year to nearly $400,000,000 that

Speaker 6

had been running in the

Speaker 11

$200,000,000 So was that obviously, that must have been spending in it going into some of these projects. Could you just talk about what the CapEx kind of budget is from here? Is it going to stay around that $400,000,000 or so?

Speaker 3

Yes, Alex. Thanks for the question. You're right. We did ramp it up a little bit last year. I'm sorry, Andrew.

Speaker 3

Alex. Andrew. Andrew, sorry. I apologize. I apologize.

Speaker 3

Yes. So we did ramp it up last year. These are multiyear projects and some of them are catch up from our ability to get construction done post pandemic, where materials or availability of workers was harder to find. We're seeing that improve a lot lately, which is good. So that's also driving some of the additional expense as these projects start to move along a little faster.

Speaker 3

And we would expect that as we go through the year, we'll see that taper off a little bit. But we have, as we've been describing, a lot of opportunities for growth across all three segments, but particularly in foodservice. So we're going to continue to evaluate each one of our locations and determine if we need to expand them or in some cases even build a new building. One thing we didn't touch on much is we are adding a lot of I shouldn't say a lot. We are adding where appropriate some automation into these buildings.

Speaker 3

We're building into more state of the art facilities when we do greenfield facilities and that provides a lot of efficiencies as well for us. So we take a lot of different things into consideration when we look to add or expand buildings.

Speaker 11

Got it. All right. So one of the takeaways there is the increase in the run rate spending, some of it's catch up, but there's a lot of opportunity. So, all right, I'll work with that. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Jeffrey Bernstein with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you very much. Two questions. The first one is just on the current trends. George, you seem increasingly optimistic in fiscal 2025, noting the improving trends in recent weeks.

Speaker 6

And I would assume that's already reflected in today's guidance. So it's not as if you're already expecting upside to that. But just trying to reconcile, I think you said the independent case growth was 7.8% growth in the Q1. It seems like you've already seen an acceleration in the fiscal Q2, so presumably higher single digit. But I'm just trying to juxtapose that against I think you made a comment that you're growing in line with the sales force, which is more like 5% to 6%.

Speaker 6

So I'm just trying to flush out the differences in those numbers in terms of what your outlook is for independent case going forward from here, whether it's that the sales force number is going to accelerate or the independent case growth is going to pull back or how we should interpret those two comments? And then I had one follow-up.

Speaker 2

Well, Yes. When I look at our current organic independent growth, we're running somewhere between 1% 2% over what we ran in Q1. And it's accelerated each week. It's gotten slightly better. So that gives us some good confidence.

Speaker 2

We recognize that we're up against tougher comparisons as we get into the end of November and the month of December, but we also recognize we're up against very easy, I guess, would be the way to put it comparisons in January unless there's just some extreme weather situations. So it makes it a little bit tough for us to project. As far as the growth in the sales force right now, it is running about the same as our growth in that 5% to 6% range. That's not using Q1 organic, that's using where we're at so far in fiscal Q2. And those numbers are without Cheney and without Jose Santiago.

Speaker 6

Got it. So perhaps I was exaggerating, I guess, right, the independent case growth of 7.8%. You're saying if you just look at the organic component of that, what would that number be?

Speaker 2

4.3 percent. 4%. 4%. 3%.

Speaker 6

Got you. Okay. So you're seeing a 1% to 2% increase off of that 4.3%, which would put you in kind of 5% to 6% and that's roughly where you're running from a sales force perspective? Exactly. Understood.

Speaker 6

Thank you for the clarification. And then in terms of the cash usage outlook, Patrick, I know you said, well, with Cheney now your leverage is north of 3.5. I'm just curious if you'd quantify what it is, But your time frame to get back within that 2.5 to 3.5 times, it sounds like I think you said a couple of quarters. I wasn't sure if that was implying you'd be within that range at that time. But if that's the case, I think last quarter you said you still you plan to exhaust is now I guess $181,000,000 left to share repurchase authorization by year end fiscal 2025.

Speaker 6

Should we now assume as you're focused more on debt that you wouldn't necessarily exhaust that authorization this year anymore? How should we think about that cash usage and the leverage level?

Speaker 3

Yes. As I mentioned, the leverage level is exceeding our 3.5 times. I said several quarters we'll be back is what we're projecting into that 3.5 or less times leverage. And as far as the share repurchase goes, as I mentioned as well, since we did close Chaney in October, which is a little earlier than what we had originally modeled, we'll probably focus I mean we will focus on debt reduction and the share repurchase program will probably see less activity as a result.

Speaker 6

Got it. And just to clarify for fiscal 2025, do you give interest expense and D and A guidance? I know the interest expense quarter is a little off guard, but obviously you got moving pieces with your leverage levels. So any directional color on interest expense and D and A for 2025?

Speaker 3

Yes, we don't give guidance, but what's going on with interest expense is really it's a function of obviously financing Jose Santiago, but that was more than offset by the EBITDA, but also capital leases. In addition to investing in buildings, we've also been investing in our fleet and that goes through capital leases and that does come in as interest expense and then just overall borrowings. And then on depreciation, it's also really a function of growth. It's again these new buildings coming online. And that's primarily the two drivers of those things.

Speaker 6

We should assume what we saw in the fiscal Q1 is more of a reasonable run rate going forward? Or was there some unusual that drove that higher?

Speaker 3

No. It's we're experiencing somewhat similar as I mentioned at the buildings and fleet. There were some backlogs due to availability of tractor trailers and units. We're seeing that supply chain improve now. So we are seeing delivery of larger number of units.

Speaker 3

So there will be a catch up here and then it should again taper off. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Brian Harbour with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Thanks. Good morning, guys. Real quickly, you commented on cheese, but is your food inflation outlook any different for this year? Do you think it is more towards kind of the higher end of what you spoke about?

Speaker 3

No. I would really honestly food inflation, it was a little higher in the quarter, but we're already seeing it taper off a little bit from there. I would expect that we're going to see low single digits for food, similar for Vistar. And convenience will be a little bit more elevated, but probably mid single digits.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thanks. And Vistar, I know this has sort of year over year margin pressure. I don't know if that was partly the business that was acquired or the kind of the channel mix that you alluded to. Could you sort of talk more about that just with regards to margin progression and also kind of what you think drives some of the improving sales trends in the second half?

Speaker 3

Yes. It's a lot to do with channel mix and also just the consumer trends that are out there and working with our customers. So that's what's driving some of the margin pressure with Vistar. What we see in terms of even the balance of this quarter, but going into the second half is they are going to see some recovery in theaters. We mentioned that was one of the things that was softer earlier.

Speaker 3

And then going forward, we do believe that they have a lot of things they're working on. They have a lot of potential new channels that they're exploring, new customers and that's what's going to drive their improvement in the back half of the year.

Speaker 2

Yes. I should comment on that a little bit too. We're experiencing mix change with that business. Our Green Rabbit business is quite high on the gross margin area because we don't take possession of a lot of the product that we sell. And that's a business that we're real serious about.

Speaker 2

We like to get distribution centers such that we can get to almost all the country in one day. So that's another one of those things down the road here that we'll be spending some more money on. Our theater business has been weak, but that is the lowest gross margin business that we have in Vistar and the value business that has been weak. Our gross margin is okay on it, but the gross profit per case because the case cost is so low is also on the low end of what we do in Vistar. So there's a whole lot of noise going on with it.

Speaker 2

But the mix is always going to have an impact there.

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Edward Kelly. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning guys. I was curious on the convenience business. Could you maybe talk a little bit about your ability to grow EBITDA in that business on the decline that you're seeing in case volumes? And then how do you think about the outlook for the rest of this year if volumes are going to remain soft, the drivers to potentially continuing to grow EBITDA, if that's possible in that backdrop?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, I don't have a great crystal ball on this one, but I'll give you what where I think I'd see us going. Our ability to grow EBITDA in spite of low sales growth has been because of mix. Once again, I guess, it's my favorite word today. But our foodservice business is growing very well.

Speaker 2

It's at a higher margin. The tobacco business is experiencing about double the decline that it had for several years. I think part of that is just that we got through that COVID period of time and the volumes did not go down during the heavy stay at home periods. And I think they're making up, I guess, a little bit for lost time. So as far as an outlook, we have more new business coming on.

Speaker 2

We're doing much better in independent with inconvenience. We're doing much better in foodservice. The volumes, I think, will come back as people get used to a little higher price point. And I guess the only potential headwind is that we made great progress as far as our expense ratios and our productivity in both warehouse and delivery. And I think that we're going to continue to do that, but from a comparison standpoint, not at the rate that we did last year.

Speaker 2

So I see us continuing to do well on the EBITDA line. It will come more from growth in the future here and it will come less from expense ratio declines.

Speaker 10

Great. Just a follow-up on independent case volume. So it seems like momentum in the business is improving. Just curious as to how you think about getting back to that 6% to 10% organic independent case volume growth. I mean, you do have that tougher December compare, but we're coming off an election and then comparisons look like they get quite a bit easier as you get into the back half of this year.

Speaker 10

Just curious as to how you're thinking about that target, George?

Speaker 2

Well, the way I model it out, okay, which is a little bit back of the envelope, but last year we hit our 6% just barely and it was front end loaded. And this year I see us getting to that again, it'll just be a little bit more back end loaded. But of late, I have developed a lot of confidence that 6% to 10% because we don't have that much ground to make up and we're experiencing some nice increases.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks guys.

Speaker 10

Thanks. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Peter Saleh with BTIG. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Hey, great. Thanks for taking the question. George, I wanted to ask if you could elaborate a little bit more on digital ordering tool, how broad based it is today, maybe the penetration adoption today and what you're expecting as you go through 2025 or fiscal 2025? And just some of the benefits, if you can highlight some of those, that would be helpful. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Yes. I'm going to just give you a couple of comments. I'm going to turn that over to Patrick. He's a little closer to it than I am. We continue to see a higher percentage of our foodservice independent customers that want to enter their own orders.

Speaker 2

We were probably a little late to the game as far as getting the right digital program in place, but we feel real good about what we're doing. And if you go to our other businesses, they're getting close to having everybody on the system. So it's really been beneficial for us that it saves some time for the salespeople. We make sure they're still out there and still doing their job. And it's really been helpful in our Vistar part of the business.

Speaker 2

So with that, Pat, I'll have you give maybe some better numbers. Yes,

Speaker 3

I'll just add a little more color. One, as you go to again, we track in multiple different ways. 1, we're converting off of older legacy systems in each of our segments and then we're also tracking how many new customers that weren't ordering on one of our platforms are now converting to the platform. And we've been really pleased, especially around Vistar, they've converted almost 100%. They're just waiting for some additional capabilities to be added to the system so they can convert the balance of their customers that were traditionally on the system.

Speaker 3

And then they're continuing to add more and more new customers every day with the downloads we're seeing from the mobile app are very pleasing. And then on the foodservice side, it's a very similar story. They've done an excellent job of converting the independent customers that we're ordering on one of our legacy systems. They are also converting other regionals and nationals as well. And we're continuing to see more and more adopt the new system.

Speaker 3

And we expect convenience to go live with their platform which is all called Customer First in Q1. And the difference of those 2 is they're just adding some additional capabilities on the convenience side that don't exist currently in the platform for Vistar Foodservice. But all in all, we're really pleased with the progress. The feedback from the customers has been very positive and we will continue to just continue to add capabilities based on customer feedback and salespeople's feedback.

Speaker 13

Can I just follow-up? Does Cheyney have its own digital ordering tool or will they be adopting yours?

Speaker 2

They have their own. They're somewhat similar to us and that their salespeople control a good bit of the ordering process. But today, just to give you how wide the difference is, I've recently had conversations where I've talked to a salesperson who 100% of his orders come in through the digital program generated by the customer. And we have several that it's 0%. So our salespeople have little different go to market strategies.

Speaker 2

What I see over time is slow but steady adoption of the customer using the system and placing their order digitally.

Speaker 13

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. And it appears that we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the program back over to Bill Marshall for any additional or closing remarks.

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