NASDAQ:RAND Rand Capital Q3 2024 Earnings Report $19.66 +0.23 (+1.16%) Closing price 04/25/2025 03:58 PM EasternExtended Trading$19.08 -0.58 (-2.93%) As of 04/25/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History Rand Capital EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.46Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ARand Capital Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.22 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ARand Capital Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date11/6/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, November 6, 2024Conference Call Time1:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsRand Capital's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 1:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckQuarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Rand Capital Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 6, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings and welcome to Rand Capital Corporation Third Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Operator00:00:27Craig Mikuluk, Investor Relations. Thank you, Mr. Mikuluk. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate your interest in Rand Capital for joining us today for our Q3 2024 financial results conference call. On the line with me are Dan Pemberthy, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Margaret Brechtel, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. A copy of the release and slides that accompany our conversation is available at randcapital.com. If you're following along with the slide deck, please turn to Slide 2, where I'd like to point out some important information. Speaker 100:01:03As you are likely aware, we may make some forward looking statements during this presentation. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ from where we are today. You can find a summary of these risks and uncertainties and other factors in the earnings release and other documents filed by the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents can be found on our website or atsec.gov. During today's call, we'll also discuss some non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:01:32We believe these will be useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. We have provided reconciliations of non GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's earnings release. With that, please turn to Slide 3 and I'll hand the discussion over to Dan. Dan? Speaker 200:01:59Thank you, Craig, and good afternoon, everyone. Rand delivered another strong quarter of performance driven by disciplined execution and strategic positioning in a complex market environment. We achieved robust growth in total investment income, increasing 27% over the prior year period to $2,200,000 This success was fueled by our commitment to building a well diversified income generating portfolio, which included 5 new debt instruments over the year and enhanced fee income. Our net asset value per share rose 3% from the prior quarter and 16% year to date, reaching $27.29 at the end of the Q3. This growth reflects our careful management of a $75,000,000 portfolio now concentrated 74% in debt investments with an overall yield of 13.8%. Speaker 200:03:00These results underscore our focus on creating value through a balanced mix of assets that can weather today's economic headwinds while driving attractive returns. Additionally, we successfully exited several key investments this quarter, including a notable sale of SCIAPS, which provided us with $13,100,000 in proceeds. We have also sold our final positions in 2 public BDCs realizing proceeds of $1,300,000 This further strengthens our balance sheet and also increases our capacity for future investments. We initially allocated this capital to reducing our outstanding bank debt, lowering it by $13,300,000 leaving us with a balance of $3,900,000 outstanding at quarter end. We have benefited from recent Fed rate reduction and our debt paydowns and are seeing lower interest expenses and improved profitability, a positive trend that supports our overall financial performance. Speaker 200:04:05With $24,000,000 in total liquidity, we remain strategically positioned to capitalize on market dynamics as they unfold, making selective high return investments that will further drive growth and long term value. Our success in achieving strategic objectives over the past few years has translated into real benefits for our shareholders as highlighted on slide 4. Over this time, we have steadily increased our dividends with payouts rising from $0.44 per share in 2021 to $0.83 in 2022 and $1.33 in 2023. This year, as of Q3 2024, we have paid total dividends of $0.83 per share. Our 4th quarter dividend announcement is expected in early December. Speaker 200:05:00Our commitment to a robust balance sheet, optimized portfolio and strategic capital deployment gives us confidence in our ability to continue delivering meaningful returns for our shareholders well into the future. Turning to Slide 5, you will see our portfolio's distribution between debt and equity along with the recent changes. Our portfolio now stands at fair value of $75,000,000 spread across 22 businesses. The fair value was down approximately 14% sequentially, which reflects a successful exit from SIOPS along with the stock sales and loan repayments from other portfolio companies. With the close of the SIOPS transaction, we have progressed towards our goal of a more debt focused portfolio. Speaker 200:05:52And as we have already noted, 74% of our investments are in debt structures, while the remaining 26% is in equity investments in private companies. Slide 6 highlights our activity this past quarter, including a small follow on debt investments. We did invest $125,000 as a follow on to ITA, a Florida based manufacturer of blinds and shades. With this additional investment, our total holdings in ITA across both debt and equity reached a fair value of $4,900,000 at the quarter end. The bottom half of the slide showcases notable exits for the quarter led by the successful sale of Saia. Speaker 200:06:39As noted, the exit generated $100,000 in total proceeds and this did include $2,100,000 from a debt repayment, dollars 165,000 in interest income and fees and a $10,800,000 in equity return. This transaction resulted in the realized gain of $7,700,000 for Rand. Additionally, we received $1,300,000 in proceeds from the sale of our remaining shares in 2 publicly traded BDCs, Barings and FSKKR. These realized or rather provided realized gains Operator00:07:17of Speaker 200:07:17$249,000 combined. Lastly, we exited our investment in Mesmerize, realizing a loss on an asset previously valued at 0. Turning to slide 7, you will see the diversity of our portfolio and the shifts in our industry allocation since the Q2. These changes reflect both the portfolio adjustments we discussed and the portfolio fair value updates. Notably, our professional services allocation increased from 43% to 50% of our portfolio, while manufacturing decreased from 25% to 16%. Speaker 200:07:58Additionally, with the sale of our BDC stocks, they are no longer represented in this industry mix. We view this industry diversity as a cornerstone of our strategic approach. By maintaining a wide range of sectors within a portfolio, we bolster resilience during economic challenges and better manage risk in our investment portfolio. At the end of the quarter, Slide 8 highlights our top 5 portfolio companies. Notably, Tilson remains our largest fair value investment with a total value of $12,300,000 which has remained consistent with the previous quarter. Speaker 200:08:38Its share of our total portfolio has increased sequentially primarily due to a reduction in total assets resulting from the asset sales we previously mentioned. Additionally, following the sale of SIAPS, ITA has entered the top five rankings. Together, these 5 companies now represent 50% of our overall portfolio at quarter end. With that, I'll turn it over to Margaret to further review our financials in a much greater depth. Speaker 300:09:08Thanks, Dan, and good afternoon, everybody. I will start on Slide 10, which provides an overview of our financial summary for the Q3 of 2024. Total investment income for the quarter was $2,200,000 reflecting a 27% increase compared with the same quarter last year. This growth was primarily driven by a 27% rise in interest income attributed to 5 new interest yielding investments made over the past year. Additionally, we experienced $165,000 increase in fee income, largely due to the SIOP sale that Dan mentioned. Speaker 300:09:48In total, 21 portfolio companies contributed to our investment income during the quarter. On the expense side, total expenses for the 3rd quarter amounted to approximately $1,300,000 up from $810,000 in the prior quarter. This increase included a $533,000 increase in incentive fees expense during the quarter. We did, however, benefit from a 46 $1,000 decrease in interest expenses due to debt pay downs during the quarter. Incentive fees are comprised of 2 components, an income based fee and a capital gains fee, both of which are contingent on meeting specified benchmarks. Speaker 300:10:29The income based fee is calculated quarterly based on the pre incentive fee net investment income with a hurdle rate of 1.75% per quarter or 7% annualized. For the 3 months ending September 30, 2024, this fee accrued at $178,000 with no similar expense incurred in the prior year period. The second component of the incentive fee is the capital gains fee. According to GAAP, we are required to accrue a capital gains incentive fee based on all our realized and unrealized gains and losses. Given the recent performance of our portfolio and realized gains, we recognized a higher accrual this quarter. Speaker 300:11:11When we adjust for accrued capital gains incentive fees, our adjusted expenses, which is a non GAAP financial measure, were $1,000,000 this quarter compared to $851,000 in the Q3 of 2023. Finally, our net investment income for the Q3 increased to $887,000 or $0.34 per share from $799,000 or $0.31 per share in the same period last year. The adjusted net investment income per share also a non GAAP measure that excludes the capital gains incentive fee accrual expense was $0.46 per share representing a 59 percent increase from $0.29 per share in the last year's Q3. On Slide 11, you will see a waterfall graph illustrating the change in net asset value for the quarter. As of September 30, 2024, net assets totaled $70,400,000 representing a 3% increase from the end of the Q2 of 2024. Speaker 300:12:16This change was primarily driven by a net realized gain of $7,200,000 from sales and dispositions of investments, which was partially offset by a $5,500,000 net change in unrealized depreciation of investment. During the quarter, Rand distributed $748,000 in cash dividends to shareholders. Consequently, the net asset value per share as of September 30, 2024 rose to $27.29 per share, up from $26.56 last quarter. As highlighted on Slide 12, we maintain a strong and flexible balance sheet that positions us well for future investments. Total assets decreased by 12% to $79,800,000 primarily due to the sale of SIAB and included approximately $3,400,000 in cash at the end of the quarter. Speaker 300:13:13According to our borrowing base formula, as of September 30, 2024, Rand had $21,100,000 available under its existing $25,000,000 senior secured revolving credit facility. Our outstanding borrowings stood at $3,900,000 with an interest rate of $8,460,000 atquarterend. We believe our strategy in shifting the portfolio to incorporate more income generating investments will enable us to maintain higher dividend levels over time. Rand previously announced its 3rd quarter dividend of $0.29 per share, which was paid on or around September 13, 2024 to shareholders of record as of August 30, 2024. With that, I will turn the discussion back to Dan. Speaker 200:13:59Thanks, Margaret. Moving on to Slide 13. As we look ahead, our strategy remains clear and we are energized by the multiple pathways we have to enhance both our income and value creation. First, we continue to see significant potential in further expanding our debt portfolio. Although we will always have the equity exposure which will provide future long term gain potential. Speaker 200:14:27By building on our history of successful debt investments, we are positioned to drive income growth through targeted strategic originations that align with our long term objectives. We are also committed to deploying available capital efficiently to fuel our growth. Our revolving credit facility provides essential flexibility and recent reductions in Fed interest rates and hopefully some more down the road combined with debt paydowns are already lowering our borrowing costs. These factors together set the stage for what we hope are strengthened profitability and increased dividend potential, both of which are important pillars of our commitment to our shareholders. Optimizing our portfolio holdings is another priority as we assess current market conditions rather to refine positions and maximize future returns. Speaker 200:15:22Additionally, we recognize that our portfolio companies face a complex landscape with inflationary pressures, fluctuating interest rates and M and A challenges. Our role is to support the resilience, helping them navigate these headwinds so they can emerge even stronger. Finally, our commitment to driving shareholder returns is at the core of every decision we make. By growing our investment income, we aim to support increased dividends, contributing to sustainable long term value for our investors. We are excited about the opportunities ahead and confident in our strategic direction to achieve these goals. Speaker 200:16:04Thank you for joining us today and your ongoing interest in Rand Capital. We look forward to updating you on 2 matters. The first is our 4th quarter dividend announcement expected in December and also our quarter and full year 2024 results, which will be reported in March. Have a great day. Operator00:16:28Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallRand Capital Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckQuarterly report(10-Q) Rand Capital Earnings HeadlinesRand Capital Announces First Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call and WebcastApril 23 at 11:29 PM | finance.yahoo.comStocks With Rising Relative Strength: Victory Capital Cl AApril 9, 2025 | msn.comNow I look stupid. Real stupid... 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There are 4 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings and welcome to Rand Capital Corporation Third Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Operator00:00:27Craig Mikuluk, Investor Relations. Thank you, Mr. Mikuluk. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate your interest in Rand Capital for joining us today for our Q3 2024 financial results conference call. On the line with me are Dan Pemberthy, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Margaret Brechtel, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. A copy of the release and slides that accompany our conversation is available at randcapital.com. If you're following along with the slide deck, please turn to Slide 2, where I'd like to point out some important information. Speaker 100:01:03As you are likely aware, we may make some forward looking statements during this presentation. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ from where we are today. You can find a summary of these risks and uncertainties and other factors in the earnings release and other documents filed by the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents can be found on our website or atsec.gov. During today's call, we'll also discuss some non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:01:32We believe these will be useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. We have provided reconciliations of non GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's earnings release. With that, please turn to Slide 3 and I'll hand the discussion over to Dan. Dan? Speaker 200:01:59Thank you, Craig, and good afternoon, everyone. Rand delivered another strong quarter of performance driven by disciplined execution and strategic positioning in a complex market environment. We achieved robust growth in total investment income, increasing 27% over the prior year period to $2,200,000 This success was fueled by our commitment to building a well diversified income generating portfolio, which included 5 new debt instruments over the year and enhanced fee income. Our net asset value per share rose 3% from the prior quarter and 16% year to date, reaching $27.29 at the end of the Q3. This growth reflects our careful management of a $75,000,000 portfolio now concentrated 74% in debt investments with an overall yield of 13.8%. Speaker 200:03:00These results underscore our focus on creating value through a balanced mix of assets that can weather today's economic headwinds while driving attractive returns. Additionally, we successfully exited several key investments this quarter, including a notable sale of SCIAPS, which provided us with $13,100,000 in proceeds. We have also sold our final positions in 2 public BDCs realizing proceeds of $1,300,000 This further strengthens our balance sheet and also increases our capacity for future investments. We initially allocated this capital to reducing our outstanding bank debt, lowering it by $13,300,000 leaving us with a balance of $3,900,000 outstanding at quarter end. We have benefited from recent Fed rate reduction and our debt paydowns and are seeing lower interest expenses and improved profitability, a positive trend that supports our overall financial performance. Speaker 200:04:05With $24,000,000 in total liquidity, we remain strategically positioned to capitalize on market dynamics as they unfold, making selective high return investments that will further drive growth and long term value. Our success in achieving strategic objectives over the past few years has translated into real benefits for our shareholders as highlighted on slide 4. Over this time, we have steadily increased our dividends with payouts rising from $0.44 per share in 2021 to $0.83 in 2022 and $1.33 in 2023. This year, as of Q3 2024, we have paid total dividends of $0.83 per share. Our 4th quarter dividend announcement is expected in early December. Speaker 200:05:00Our commitment to a robust balance sheet, optimized portfolio and strategic capital deployment gives us confidence in our ability to continue delivering meaningful returns for our shareholders well into the future. Turning to Slide 5, you will see our portfolio's distribution between debt and equity along with the recent changes. Our portfolio now stands at fair value of $75,000,000 spread across 22 businesses. The fair value was down approximately 14% sequentially, which reflects a successful exit from SIOPS along with the stock sales and loan repayments from other portfolio companies. With the close of the SIOPS transaction, we have progressed towards our goal of a more debt focused portfolio. Speaker 200:05:52And as we have already noted, 74% of our investments are in debt structures, while the remaining 26% is in equity investments in private companies. Slide 6 highlights our activity this past quarter, including a small follow on debt investments. We did invest $125,000 as a follow on to ITA, a Florida based manufacturer of blinds and shades. With this additional investment, our total holdings in ITA across both debt and equity reached a fair value of $4,900,000 at the quarter end. The bottom half of the slide showcases notable exits for the quarter led by the successful sale of Saia. Speaker 200:06:39As noted, the exit generated $100,000 in total proceeds and this did include $2,100,000 from a debt repayment, dollars 165,000 in interest income and fees and a $10,800,000 in equity return. This transaction resulted in the realized gain of $7,700,000 for Rand. Additionally, we received $1,300,000 in proceeds from the sale of our remaining shares in 2 publicly traded BDCs, Barings and FSKKR. These realized or rather provided realized gains Operator00:07:17of Speaker 200:07:17$249,000 combined. Lastly, we exited our investment in Mesmerize, realizing a loss on an asset previously valued at 0. Turning to slide 7, you will see the diversity of our portfolio and the shifts in our industry allocation since the Q2. These changes reflect both the portfolio adjustments we discussed and the portfolio fair value updates. Notably, our professional services allocation increased from 43% to 50% of our portfolio, while manufacturing decreased from 25% to 16%. Speaker 200:07:58Additionally, with the sale of our BDC stocks, they are no longer represented in this industry mix. We view this industry diversity as a cornerstone of our strategic approach. By maintaining a wide range of sectors within a portfolio, we bolster resilience during economic challenges and better manage risk in our investment portfolio. At the end of the quarter, Slide 8 highlights our top 5 portfolio companies. Notably, Tilson remains our largest fair value investment with a total value of $12,300,000 which has remained consistent with the previous quarter. Speaker 200:08:38Its share of our total portfolio has increased sequentially primarily due to a reduction in total assets resulting from the asset sales we previously mentioned. Additionally, following the sale of SIAPS, ITA has entered the top five rankings. Together, these 5 companies now represent 50% of our overall portfolio at quarter end. With that, I'll turn it over to Margaret to further review our financials in a much greater depth. Speaker 300:09:08Thanks, Dan, and good afternoon, everybody. I will start on Slide 10, which provides an overview of our financial summary for the Q3 of 2024. Total investment income for the quarter was $2,200,000 reflecting a 27% increase compared with the same quarter last year. This growth was primarily driven by a 27% rise in interest income attributed to 5 new interest yielding investments made over the past year. Additionally, we experienced $165,000 increase in fee income, largely due to the SIOP sale that Dan mentioned. Speaker 300:09:48In total, 21 portfolio companies contributed to our investment income during the quarter. On the expense side, total expenses for the 3rd quarter amounted to approximately $1,300,000 up from $810,000 in the prior quarter. This increase included a $533,000 increase in incentive fees expense during the quarter. We did, however, benefit from a 46 $1,000 decrease in interest expenses due to debt pay downs during the quarter. Incentive fees are comprised of 2 components, an income based fee and a capital gains fee, both of which are contingent on meeting specified benchmarks. Speaker 300:10:29The income based fee is calculated quarterly based on the pre incentive fee net investment income with a hurdle rate of 1.75% per quarter or 7% annualized. For the 3 months ending September 30, 2024, this fee accrued at $178,000 with no similar expense incurred in the prior year period. The second component of the incentive fee is the capital gains fee. According to GAAP, we are required to accrue a capital gains incentive fee based on all our realized and unrealized gains and losses. Given the recent performance of our portfolio and realized gains, we recognized a higher accrual this quarter. Speaker 300:11:11When we adjust for accrued capital gains incentive fees, our adjusted expenses, which is a non GAAP financial measure, were $1,000,000 this quarter compared to $851,000 in the Q3 of 2023. Finally, our net investment income for the Q3 increased to $887,000 or $0.34 per share from $799,000 or $0.31 per share in the same period last year. The adjusted net investment income per share also a non GAAP measure that excludes the capital gains incentive fee accrual expense was $0.46 per share representing a 59 percent increase from $0.29 per share in the last year's Q3. On Slide 11, you will see a waterfall graph illustrating the change in net asset value for the quarter. As of September 30, 2024, net assets totaled $70,400,000 representing a 3% increase from the end of the Q2 of 2024. Speaker 300:12:16This change was primarily driven by a net realized gain of $7,200,000 from sales and dispositions of investments, which was partially offset by a $5,500,000 net change in unrealized depreciation of investment. During the quarter, Rand distributed $748,000 in cash dividends to shareholders. Consequently, the net asset value per share as of September 30, 2024 rose to $27.29 per share, up from $26.56 last quarter. As highlighted on Slide 12, we maintain a strong and flexible balance sheet that positions us well for future investments. Total assets decreased by 12% to $79,800,000 primarily due to the sale of SIAB and included approximately $3,400,000 in cash at the end of the quarter. Speaker 300:13:13According to our borrowing base formula, as of September 30, 2024, Rand had $21,100,000 available under its existing $25,000,000 senior secured revolving credit facility. Our outstanding borrowings stood at $3,900,000 with an interest rate of $8,460,000 atquarterend. We believe our strategy in shifting the portfolio to incorporate more income generating investments will enable us to maintain higher dividend levels over time. Rand previously announced its 3rd quarter dividend of $0.29 per share, which was paid on or around September 13, 2024 to shareholders of record as of August 30, 2024. With that, I will turn the discussion back to Dan. Speaker 200:13:59Thanks, Margaret. Moving on to Slide 13. As we look ahead, our strategy remains clear and we are energized by the multiple pathways we have to enhance both our income and value creation. First, we continue to see significant potential in further expanding our debt portfolio. Although we will always have the equity exposure which will provide future long term gain potential. Speaker 200:14:27By building on our history of successful debt investments, we are positioned to drive income growth through targeted strategic originations that align with our long term objectives. We are also committed to deploying available capital efficiently to fuel our growth. Our revolving credit facility provides essential flexibility and recent reductions in Fed interest rates and hopefully some more down the road combined with debt paydowns are already lowering our borrowing costs. These factors together set the stage for what we hope are strengthened profitability and increased dividend potential, both of which are important pillars of our commitment to our shareholders. Optimizing our portfolio holdings is another priority as we assess current market conditions rather to refine positions and maximize future returns. Speaker 200:15:22Additionally, we recognize that our portfolio companies face a complex landscape with inflationary pressures, fluctuating interest rates and M and A challenges. Our role is to support the resilience, helping them navigate these headwinds so they can emerge even stronger. Finally, our commitment to driving shareholder returns is at the core of every decision we make. By growing our investment income, we aim to support increased dividends, contributing to sustainable long term value for our investors. We are excited about the opportunities ahead and confident in our strategic direction to achieve these goals. Speaker 200:16:04Thank you for joining us today and your ongoing interest in Rand Capital. We look forward to updating you on 2 matters. The first is our 4th quarter dividend announcement expected in December and also our quarter and full year 2024 results, which will be reported in March. Have a great day. Operator00:16:28Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by