Lions Gate Entertainment Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 7, 2024

There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Lionsgate Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask Please also note, today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Nilay Shah from Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us for the Lions Gate Studios Corporation and Lions Gate Entertainment Corporation fiscal 2025 Q2 conference call. We'll begin with opening remarks from our CEO, John Feltheimer followed by remarks from our CFO, Jimmy Barge. After their remarks, we'll open the call for questions. Also joining us on the call today are Vice Chairman, Michael Burns COO, Brian Goldsmith Chairman of the Television Group, Kevin Beggs Chairman of the Motion Picture Group, Adam Fogelson and President of Worldwide TV and Digital Distribution, Jim Packer.

Speaker 1

And from Starz, we have President and CEO, Jeffrey Hirsch CFO, Scott McDonald and President of Domestic Networks, Alison Hoffman. The matters discussed on the call also include forward looking statements, including those regarding the performance of future fiscal years. Such statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially and adversely from those described in the forward looking statements as a result of various factors. This includes the risk factors set forth in our public filings for Lions Gate Studios Corporation and Lions Gate Entertainment Corporation.

Speaker 1

The companies undertake no obligation to publicly release the result of any revisions to these forward looking statements that may be made to reflect any future events or circumstances. I'll now turn the call over to John.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Nilay, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us. The continued industry disruption, the lingering effects of last year's strikes and a disappointing theatrical box office performance impacted our financial results in the quarter. Within our Television group, our unscripted business is feeling the effects of a continuing market correction. In our film group, the poor box office performance of Borderlands, coupled with softer than anticipated results from other releases in quarter reflected an environment with less margin for error than ever before.

Speaker 2

On Borderlands, nearly everything that could go wrong did go wrong. It sat on the shelf for too long during the pandemic and reshoots and rising interest rates took it outside the safety zone of our usual strict financial models. Several of our other releases in the quarter, though cushioned by financial models that worked as intended, didn't live up to either our standards or our projections. In spite of the above, our business model still works. Risk mitigated film and television slates, efficient production and marketing spends, a diversified portfolio of assets and a strong library that serves as the ballast of our business generating nearly $900,000,000 in trailing 12 month revenue in the quarter.

Speaker 2

But emphasizing the success of our financial models doesn't take the place of also getting the creative right. Under new leadership in our Motion Picture group, we're making good progress in preparing our return to a much stronger and more diversified film slate in fiscal 2026 driven by the tentpoles Michael, Ballerina and Now You See Me 3. Beyond that, Francis Lawrence will be directing our 6th Hunger Games movie after he finishes The Long Walk, the film adaptation of Stephen King's classic novel, as we focus on and take full advantage of one of the most valuable portfolios of brands and franchises in the business. Our film slates include 2 to 3 temples a year in order to create significant incremental value for our library, drive our film and television packages for buyers and in success capitalize on our biggest opportunities for outsized growth. But we will also ensure that when we take bigger swings, we're taking measured swings.

Speaker 2

In addition to the tent poles, we will continue to focus on the films that have done so well for us before. Star driven commercial properties based in many cases on existing IP. In recent weeks, we've announced that Paul Feig will direct Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried in the thriller Housemaid. Challenger's director Luca Guadagnino will shepherd our reimagining of the Lions Gate classic American Psycho. Amazing Spider Man filmmaker Mark Webb will direct Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz in Day Drinker.

Speaker 2

And Academy Award winner, Kae Hwi Kwon will star in the action thriller Fairy Tale in New York from Sisu Director, Jalmari Hellander. As you saw, we recently announced that Dirty Dancing the Musical is scheduled to head to Broadway in spring 2026, a new chapter of an amazing evergreen Lionsgate franchise. Combined with our La La Land stage play shepherded by Wicked producer Mark Platt and also slated for a Broadway opening in 2026. Our upcoming John Wick AAA game in partnership with a major video game developer. The John Wick Experience opening in Las Vegas next month and more than a dozen additional stage plays adapted from Lions Gate films and television series in the works.

Speaker 2

We have an opportunity to invest in the upside from a deep portfolio of projects that will create an important incremental revenue stream for our IP outside the four walls of our core businesses. Turning to television, the market correction has impacted both the scripted and unscripted landscape with buyers continuing to order fewer shows and disrupting long standing business models. But we're not letting this slow us down. Lions Gate Television brings to this environment a core group of returning hit series like Ghosts, The Rookie, Acapulco, Mythic Quest, Raising Kanan and BMF and major new properties such as Spartacus, the reimagining of 1 of Starz's biggest original hits, The Hunting Wives based on May Cobb's acclaimed bestseller about obsession, seduction and murder in East Texas, the Twilight TV adaptation Midnight Sun, the John Wick TV adaptation John Wick Under the High Table and the show business comedy The Studio starring, co written, directed and executive produced by Seth Rogen. It's a deep slate of high profile properties that create significant growth opportunities for the future while adding tremendous value to our library.

Speaker 2

In addition, we're refilling our pipeline with more than 40 scripted projects sold to platforms since the start of the year, drawing upon our ability to create new business models, pivot to new buyers and lean into new areas of growth. We expect the pendulum to begin to swing back to a new normal as our platform partners grow their profitability and fine tune their content strategies. In the meantime, our television business is doing everything you would expect us to do reducing costs, consolidating smaller labels to create greater efficiencies in our unscripted business and continuing to evaluate the mix of business models on our scripted slate to mitigate risk and maximize our upside. Turning to Starz, we like where the platform is positioned heading into the separation. Starz remains on track for a $200,000,000 segment profit for the fiscal year after executing a successful rate increase to drive revenue growth in the back half of the year.

Speaker 2

Starz programming is working. PowerBook 2 Ghost broke network viewership records in the quarter, reaching 11,700,000 multi platform viewers and gaining 13% in OTT streams in the second half of its 4th season. With 5 shows reaching between 9,000,000 12,000,000 multi platform viewers a piece, our core group of original hit series compares very favorably with the most successful shows on other platforms. With upcoming hit series Outlander and Raising Kanan engaging both of our core demos, we expect to return to OTT subscriber growth in the back half of the year. On the distribution front, Starz and YouTube TV, one of the fastest growing live TV services in the world, renewed their distribution partnership with a new multi year agreement that also creates new bundling opportunities.

Speaker 2

In addition, Starz announced a deal to bundle BritBox on its own platform as well as on Amazon. Streaming bundles have taken a little longer to materialize than anticipated due to industry disruption and technology issues. However, as they begin to gain real traction, Starz will be able to capitalize on the promise of a bundled world whose benefits include lower churn, reduced marketing costs, increased engagement and significant greater subscriber lifetime value. In the quarter, we announced a new partnership with Applied AI Research Company Runway under which they will have access to a group of our library titles in order to create and train a model for the use of Lionsgate and the filmmakers we designate. The entertainment business is a creative enterprise, but its future growth will require a combination of art and science.

Speaker 2

We believe that AI harnessed within the appropriate guardrails can be a valuable tool to serve our talent. And we believe that over the long term, it will have a positive transformational impact on our business. I'm pleased to report strong progress in the quarter towards full separation of the Studio and Starz with the filing of our preliminary proxy, the Board's recommendation that we collapse our 2 classes of stock into 1 and continued steps to put the necessary financing in place for both companies, which Jimmy will discuss in a moment. We continue to anticipate achieving full separation by the end of the calendar year subject to the timing of regulatory approvals. This is a transitional disrupted and difficult year for our industry.

Speaker 2

We like what lies ahead in an industry that has always moved fast to adopt great new technologies to save money and increase efficiency, where streamers and other platforms will return to being robust buyers of films, television shows and library as they continue to strengthen their balance sheets and regain their footing and where consumers are slowly but surely returning to the habit of going to the movies. But in the meantime, we have to control the things we can, establish the financial and creative models that make sense for a company our size, be shorthanded in our execution and streamline our business by adjusting to the economic realities of the marketplace. Last month, we offered voluntary severance and early retirement packages to Lionsgate's U. S. Employees and approximately eight percent of eligible employees have elected to take advantage of these offers.

Speaker 2

I can assure you that we are aligning ourselves with our shareholders in every way and we'll continue to do whatever it takes to drive shareholder value. In closing, we're continuing to make adjustments to our business based on changes in our environment. But our greatest takeaway is that we have to adhere even more rigorously to our diversified and risk mitigated business model, lean even more fully into the growth opportunities offered by our incredible and non replicable portfolio of IP and remain even more faithful to the entrepreneurial spirit, agile posture and strict financial discipline that have always set us apart. Now I'll turn things over to Jimmy.

Speaker 3

Thanks, John, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll briefly discuss our 2nd quarter financial results and provide an update on the balance sheet. For the quarter, Lionsgate's consolidated revenue was $949,000,000 adjusted OIBDA was a loss of $18,000,000 and operating income was a loss of $89,000,000 Reported fully diluted earnings per share was a loss of $0.68 per share and fully diluted adjusted earnings per share was a loss of $0.43 per share. Net cash flows used in operating activities was $82,000,000 while use of adjusted free cash flow for the quarter was $132,000,000 As John noted in his prepared remarks, the recent underperformance of our wide theatrical releases and Borderlands in particular has necessitated a revision to Lionsgate Studios fiscal 'twenty five financial outlook. We now forecast that Lionsgate Studios will generate between $300,000,000 to $320,000,000 of adjusted OIBDA this fiscal year.

Speaker 3

This update outlook primarily reflects the impact of lower segment profit within our Motion Picture Group along with some reassessment of the post strike recovery in our television business. The studio should see strengthening adjusted OIBDA over the next two quarters, driven by an increase in both high margin post theatrical revenue and scripted television series deliveries. With respect to Starz, we continue to anticipate that its North American business will generate $200,000,000 or more of adjusted OIBDA in fiscal year 'twenty five. Now let me briefly discuss the fiscal second quarter performance of our Studio and Media Networks businesses compared to the previous year quarter. Starting with the Studio business, quarterly revenue grew 4.3% year over year to $824,000,000 while Studio adjusted OIBDA was a loss of $6,000,000 Trailing 12 months Library revenue of $892,000,000 was up 2.5% relative to last year's Q2 trailing 12 months revenue.

Speaker 3

Breaking down the Studio businesses, let's start with Motion Picture. Motion Picture revenue for the quarter increased 2.8% year over year to $407,000,000 while segment profit was $2,600,000 Revenue grew due to the increase in film releases, while segment profit was unfavorably impacted by Borderlands and higher P and A spend associated with an increase in number of theatrical leases in the quarter versus the previous year. While Borderlands contractually guaranteed international presales, tax credits and post theatrical film output deals mitigated some of the financial losses on this film, the size of its underperformance was outside the range of outcomes we would expect given the underlying IP, cast and size of the film's budget. As always, we learn valuable lessons from every release, and Borderlands is no exception. We are confident that our go forward processes will help reduce the likelihood of a similar outcome in the future.

Speaker 3

We will continue to refine our wide theatrical release strategy and make adjustments as the industry evolves, and we believe that our overarching motion picture release model can continue to achieve strong financial returns without outsized risk. Moving to TV. Quarterly television revenue of $417,000,000 is up 5.8% year over year, driven by higher deliveries to Starz, while segment profit of $24,000,000 expectedly declined year over year due to the pace of the post strike recovery. Media Networks quarterly revenue was $347,000,000 and segment profit was $27,000,000 Revenue was expectedly down year over year due to the exit from substantially all of our international markets. Quarterly North American revenue of $343,000,000 was essentially flat year over year as OTT revenue growth was offset by linear pressure.

Speaker 3

Starz implemented a $1 price increase across its existing U. S. Subscribers in the month of September. We expect this price increase will continue to drive an increase in ARPU and sequential revenue growth in the December quarter. North American segment profit of $27,000,000 was down year over year on higher content amortization, reflecting increased Pay 1 and Pay 2 film output, partially offset by lower originals content spend.

Speaker 3

Additionally, we continue to forecast that Starz North America will exit fiscal 'twenty five with OTT accounting for 70% of its revenues. Starz ended the quarter with 12,400,000 North American OTT subs, down 2.6% year over year. We ended the quarter with 20,200,000 total North American subscribers, representing a sequential decline of 1,150,000. Dollars This pressure was expected alongside our September price increase as we focus on driving ARPU and long term revenue growth. Additionally, we continue to expect a return to sequential North American OTT subscriber growth in the December quarter.

Speaker 3

Now let's take a look at the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $2,270,000,000 of net debt at the consolidated company, which reflects $1,640,000,000 at the studio and $622,000,000 at Starz. The increase in studio net debt reflects the expected use of cash associated with both the timing of post strike content spend and the release of 5 wide theatrical films. Starz net debt is meaningfully down from its initial $700,000,000 net debt allocation in May as we delever the Starz business. On a trailing 12 month basis, consolidated landscape leverage at the end of the quarter was 6 times, while stand alone STARZ leverage for its North American business was 3x.

Speaker 3

As we prepare for full separation by the end of the calendar year 'twenty four, we have made substantial progress in establishing the stand alone capital structures for both Landscape Studios and Starz. In the quarter, we closed 2 IP backed facilities collateralized by a portion of our library assets. The first was the previously announced $340,000,000 IP facility supported primarily by the E-one library, while the second is a $455,000,000 IP facility backed by a portion of the Lionsgate library. Both facilities were favorably priced at SOFR plus 2 25 basis points and will travel with Lionsgate Studios upon separation. The proceeds from these capital raises were used to pay down portions of the studio's revolving credit facility and Term Loan B as reflected in our balance sheet at quarter end.

Speaker 3

And just this week, we closed another $265,000,000 on the Lions Gate IP facility and completely paid off the Term Loan B. This marks over $1,000,000,000 of favorably priced asset backed borrowings with an extended tenure of 5 years and significantly rounds out our post separation capital structure. We are also on track to complete the remaining financings that will fund upon separation and complete the capital structures of both Starz and Lionsgate Studios. Looking forward to the remainder of fiscal 2025, as we noted before, we continue to forecast that the consolidated company's adjusted OIBDA and adjusted free cash flow will be second half weighted, driven by a significant increase in television deliveries, post theatrical slate cash flows, Starz price increase and a return to OTT subscriber growth. As such, we expect trailing 12 months leverage should end the year at approximately 4.5 times and 3 times for Landscape Studios and Starz, respectively.

Speaker 3

And now I'd like to turn the call over to Nilay for Q and A.

Speaker 4

Operator, can we open the call up for Q and A?

Operator

Our first question today comes from Thomas Yee from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 5

Thanks so much. I wanted to ask about the evolving film approach. John, you mentioned the balance between big swings, but also a measured approach. How should we think about how you're redefining your zone of comfort? Are we talking about tapping deeper into existing franchises more?

Speaker 5

Or does it revolve around the process oriented approach to production? As you kind of look to build new IP, how should we think about the budget consciousness on the types of films you're willing to green light if that changed at all?

Speaker 6

I'm going to let Adam, Chairman of our Motion Picture Group, answer that. Thanks, Thomas.

Speaker 7

So look, I think it's a combination of all the things that you talked about. I think that the company has done an extraordinary job of being financially think there are ways to incorporate other elements of the company of the Motion Picture Group into the decision making process, so that both creatively and financially, we're taking advantage of best in class. We do have an extraordinary number of franchises that we are going to be leaning into because the audience is asking us for it. The appetite for John Wick theatrically on television in the AAA game space in live experience is extraordinary. The appetite from the audience on Hunger Games is incredible and we're really excited about the book that's coming out and what that means for the future of the Hunger Games franchise, the same with Saw, the same with Highlander.

Speaker 7

So we're going to continue to be super financially disciplined, but there will be an extra emphasis not only in what we make, but in what we develop to make sure that we are aligned with creative production, with physical production, with marketing, with distribution and with our filmmakers to bring the right kinds of films to the market.

Speaker 5

Okay, understood. And then the decision to streamline the U. S. Workforce, can you help us think through how much of that is addressing what sounds like maybe a little bit of a greater rationalization at TV versus with anything going on at Film Restars? Any help with how that flows through and which areas or even business functions particularly you're seeing as an opportunity to run more efficiently would be helpful.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 6

Yes. Again, 8% just in our v serve. I think that's part of overall rightsizing our business. When you have a trough in the business in the overall environment, when you have this disruption, I think we want to be as aligned with our shareholders as we can be. And I think this is an opportunity we have to be a little smarter about our business, be a little bit more efficient.

Speaker 6

I would say that the nonfiction business is a little structured differently than most of our business in the sense you carry a fair amount of overhead, which typically gets applied against lots of episode. And in this quarter, we actually didn't get 2 big orders that we expected. But overall, I think that this is an opportunity we have to, as I say, right size our business, rethink about some of the ways we are structured and wait for the cycle to swing back to where we think it's going to swing back to.

Speaker 5

And any update on E1? I mean, I think the trailing 12 month library revenue, Jimmy, you cited, is that down year over year if you strip that out? And maybe just give us an update on the path towards $60,000,000 and whether or not we're continuing to see that or if the broader TV pressure you're seeing is also affecting E1 as well? Thank you both.

Speaker 8

Yes, let me take the trailing 12 months first. Remember that while E1 certainly has been fully integrated and is definitely

Operator

helping our trailing 12 months library

Speaker 8

as we would have our trailing 12 months library as we would have expected. Keep in mind in the prior comp, the prior year included Schitt's Creek which was a fairly outsized very nice amount in the prior trading 12 month comp. So actually, we're up despite that. And certainly, E1 helps, but we're seeing very strong library sales. Jim Packer and his team's killing it.

Speaker 8

They've integrated completely the E-one. We like this asset. It's a great asset. It's a great team over there. We're tracking well.

Speaker 8

We successfully integrated this completely into our business both on TV side from the Rookie to Recruit Yellow Jackets and then obviously I spoke to the library sales. So very happy with that asset.

Speaker 6

Yes, this is Jim. I would say one thing, the Rookie is really proving to be a long term asset for us that is requiring a little bit of work to renegotiate. I think in our top 10 countries, we're redoing all the deals, but I think you'll start to see some real returns. We're already trending above my budget and I'm feeling very optimistic.

Speaker 5

Thanks so much.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Thomas. Operator, go ahead.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Cahall from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Maybe first just Jeff, can you talk about how you saw churn perform in the quarter when you took the price increase? Was it in line with your expectation? And then as you look out to next year, what are you planning to deflate? You do anything different as you enter this period of the separation?

Speaker 9

How are you feeling about the $200,000,000 in EBITDA? And can you grow off that? And also what does cash conversion of that EBITDA look like as I think you'll look to delever. I know that's a lot in there Jeff. And then on the TV side, just maybe this is a question for Kevin, but Warner Brothers talked today about a lot of momentum that they're seeing in their TV production studio.

Speaker 9

So I do wonder if maybe some of the challenges aren't necessarily industry wide. Do you worry that you're losing market share in Watercooler Originals in particular? Or what do you think you can do to increase the success rate at TV Production, especially as studio looks to separate? Thank you.

Speaker 10

Hi, Stephen, it's Jeff. Thanks for the question. Look, I think we as we talked about, we put a dollar rate increase into the business this quarter. I think the team did a phenomenal job of executing that with a lot of executing that with a lot of learning from last year's rate increase. So we came in right on actually our expectation in terms of the downward pressure on the business in terms of subscribers.

Speaker 10

You can see ARPU does spike year over year, and so we're actually seeing that start to flow through the business, so we feel very good about that. Coming into the second half of the year, when we bring Outlander back in about 20 days, then into Raising Cannon with this film slate, I think we feel very good about healthy OTT growth in both the 3rd and the 4th quarter. So we feel very good about the $200,000,000 to finish this year. Heading into post separation, I think there's a lot of opportunity for us to build back our library and start to actually put some owner economics on the business. I do feel good about that $200,000,000,000 as kind of a baseline for the business in the next couple of years.

Speaker 10

But I do also think that you'll start to see as we normalize out of the strike in the COVID period and our cash payments start to really align again with our amortization schedule, you'll start to see higher conversion of unlevered free cash flow against the $200,000,000 So I'd expect that to be somewhere in the 70% range as we move forward. There is a little tail at the end of this year for some of the international shutdowns that is still pushing that free cash flow conversion a little down, but we'll work through that and get to a really good state of free unlevered free cash flow conversion against the $200,000,000 And to your other question, I think as the business continues to have been a very disruptive period and what we're seeing in D. C, I think it gives a lot of opportunity for us to do things that really help focus our business and help grow our business.

Speaker 11

Just it's Kevin speaking. Just to follow on the questions about the overall scripted and TV market. I was really encouraged by the comments that we read today from Warner Discovery. And we're certainly seeing lots of green shoots in the development side. John touched on it in his opening remarks, but we're over 45 projects sold in new developments since the end of the strike.

Speaker 11

That cadence seems to be increasing and we're moving some of those toward conversion, which is really important to get from development into production. With 2 big players destabilized, Paramount until the SkyDance deal concludes, Warner who's been struggling, but it looks like they're turning a corner. These are key buyers for us. And as they resolve and move into more stability, that's great for us, but we're not waiting around for that. We're finding new buyers.

Speaker 11

We touched on it. USA is back in Descriptive. We're there. MGM Plus, we have a big series with Robinhood there. We've got originals through our Canadian subsidiary at Hallmark Plus.

Speaker 11

We're out there beating the bushes every day to find new buyers. Our long term partnership with SARS is stronger than ever. We have 3 distinct franchises, the most powerful of which, pardon the pun, is Power and the Power verse. But right behind it are is the BMF franchise and we're into a fantastic first season of production on Spartacus, which is moving into post production right now. We have really high hopes around it and what that's going to do for the partnership for years to come.

Speaker 11

And Jim touched on the Rookie, which is one of the key drivers behind the E-one acquisition. The Rookie from an original perspective and a strong current department getting renewals is really important. We had a short strike shortened 1st season. We have a full season of season 7 that we're in the middle of making. We're in discussions about spinning it off.

Speaker 11

And we renewed and made an overall deal with the talented showrunner creator behind the rookie Alexi Holly, which has led to other development all around town in addition to his strong work on The Recruit, which will premiere sometime in early 'twenty five on Netflix. So all those things we're leaning into in addition to our own IP, Twilight John touched on, John Wick moving into television. These are all things we're excited about and feel that we're quite competitive in the premium space.

Speaker 12

Thank you. Thanks,

Operator

Stephen. Operator, could we

Speaker 4

get the next question please? Our next

Operator

question comes from Barton Crockett from Rosenblatt. Please go ahead with your question. Okay, great.

Speaker 13

Yes, thank you. A couple of questions if I can. One is just on this market correction in TV production to kind of understand a little bit better what happened and how you see this resolving. As I understood it going, one of the issues like a year plus ago coming out of the pandemic was really supply driven, right? We weren't able to make shows and that kind of suppressed results for a little bit.

Speaker 13

And then, but now we're talking about a demand driven kind of dynamic that there's not enough demand for shows, although maybe that's resolving now. But these networks are still operating. They still need content. So how is it that they're not buying shows, but they're still putting content on air? Is that making stuff in house, just rerunning stuff longer, buying from other suppliers?

Speaker 13

And then what was really behind that? If you can elaborate, I'd be curious. That's one question. And then on a separate note, just I know that you guys were under due as part of the separation, you need to raise some new financing at Starz to replace some of the debt that's moved over to the studio from Starz. And I just wondered if you could elaborate on what's happening with that process, just given some of the volatility in markets generally and some of the concerns around stars, just how you're progressing with that?

Speaker 11

Okay. It's Kevin. I'll jump into Part 1. Yes, the demand is there, but the financial constraints go along with it. So from an original's perspective, what you're finding is orders that maybe get shortened instead of 22, it's 16 or 8 instead of 10 making those dollars go further.

Speaker 11

Or can you do that same show for a lot less and take it to a less expensive production location or one with generous tax subsidies? Every potential angle is on the table. We're shooting here in Los Angeles. Shooting all over the world. We're looking for advantages.

Speaker 11

The shows that we have the franchises I touched on together with Starz, we're always looking to see if we can bring the ultimate net budget price downward to give Jeff and his team more flexibility. The good news is that when they move into the library world, we have a vast library, which Jim can speak to because that often becomes an alternative to original is buying library, which is a little more predictable and less expensive than the original. So either way, we want to be a programming solution to our network and platform partners to the extent that we can make that as many originals as possible, drive revenue, earnings and build library is our first choice. But we have to be flexible and kind of go with

Speaker 8

the market. And Barton with regards to part 2 of your question with respect to our financings, we're in the process. We're very confident we're layering in 2 very good capital structures here. You've seen us execute on the bonds, which are in place at both Starz as well as the studio layered in a $1,000,000,000 of IP facilities that we just completed. We were oversubscribed, travels with the studio, great pricing.

Speaker 8

We're in a process right now with Starz on the term loan A. Having very good conversations with our banks and I'm very confident about closing that out as well. And on the studio side, we'll lay in their traditional borrowing base facility and all of this will happen in the next several weeks and we'll have teed up for funding and separation.

Speaker 13

Okay, great. Thank

Speaker 4

you. Thanks, Barton. Operator, could we get the next question, please?

Operator

Our next question comes from David Joyce from Seaport Research Partners. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 12

Thank you. I had a bigger picture strategic question, if I could get your thoughts, John and Michael on this. With Comcast looking at strategic alternatives or separating out its cable networks and now we've had a there's a pending change administration in DC. I was just wondering what your views are on consolidation in the industry, what could make sense going forward, especially in light of you soon having the studios and stars as separate entities?

Speaker 6

Thanks. Yes. Thank you, David. Well, to start with, obviously, the key rationale for separating the businesses is to allow each of them to prosper in its own in their own space and focus on their core business and give them optionality. I think it's obvious there's huge dislocation about to happen in the business.

Speaker 6

I think certainly some people are going to start questioning whether this idea of vertical integration really works, whether taking away the natural tension between buyer and seller is really the best way to allocate resources. But for sure, there's going to be a lot of movement of pieces, I believe, out of these conglomerates. And I think after the dislocation, there's going to be a lot of relocation. And so what I would say in general after our separation is there's going to be a lot of optionality, flexibility. And I would say within the conversations that I think will be going on M and A and strategic change.

Speaker 6

I would say if you ask me will both of the size of our business be involved in those conversations and I would say I think that's extremely likely.

Speaker 12

All right. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4

Thanks, David. Operator, could we get the next question, please?

Operator

Our next question comes from Brent Pinter from Raymond James. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 14

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I saw reports on a delay with the Michael film. So just curious where you are in the process on that film and would be good to get updates on the other big tent poles for next year, Ballerina and Now You See Me. And then any thoughts on how that delay maybe affects the rest of the theatrical slate for next year?

Speaker 7

Yes. Hey, it's Adam. Thanks for the question. We have obviously poured through all of the dailies on Michael, and they are extraordinary, but we have yet to see a first cut of the film. It was always the most hyper aggressive possible target for April, but we wanted to claim the space if, in fact, we were going to be ready for it because there's been a lot of interest on the large formats of having that movie.

Speaker 7

But we were never going to race that movie to have it come out before it's ready. The truth is that our filmmaking team has had extraordinary success with Bohemian Rhapsody in that late fall corridor. And given the quality of the movie and what everyone sees as the financial opportunity of that movie, it just made perfect sense to slot it into that corridor, have the opportunity to use all of the summer for trailer play. We just could not be more excited in what that opportunity is going to be, and we expect in the next few weeks, we'll start to actually see early cuts of the film. Ballerina had an extraordinary trailer launch.

Speaker 7

I think the audience was incredibly excited to see what felt like a real John Wick companion movie and getting to see Keanu joining Anna in that movie sparked a lot of enthusiasm and the early response in terms of the number of views and in terms of early tracking on that movie are encouraging. And that movie, we fully expect will stick to the June corridor. And the screenings of the movie, after we did some enhancements, have been very, very encouraging as well. And we just wrapped production on time and slightly under budget on Now You See Me, Ruben Fleischer, another A plus extraordinary director, did a tremendous job. I was just at the American film market that's in Las Vegas this year and had a chance to show our foreign partners the footage that we have crafted from that film, and there was immense excitement and enthusiasm, and that is already dated for November.

Speaker 7

So the slate is coming together. We also dated Good Fortune in the October corridor, and I will tell you that, that movie has screened absolutely extraordinarily well. Also a very easy recruit for that movie. People are really excited to see what Keanu and Aziz and Seth together have done. So we are very much looking forward to what next year has to offer.

Speaker 14

Great. And then on the AI partnership with Runway, can you just talk a little bit about how that came about and who initiated it and what tangible benefits you expect? And then what's been the feedback so far from the creative community?

Speaker 7

It started with us doing a lot of due diligence

Speaker 15

in the world of AI and we very much sparked to runway as they did to us. And I guess if I were going to paraphrase Wayne with Tresky, we think our partnership is with them is going to propel us to where the puck is heading as opposed to where it is. So we're excited about what we're doing together. We're not talking a lot about it. We've made such a few public comments about it, but we think this is very much going to enhance filmmaking and become an incredible tool for the community.

Speaker 7

And this is Adam. I would just add on to say that I think there were some questions when it was first reported. But I think once we clarified for our filmmaking partners, for our talent partners, exactly what this was, how it would be used, what it is and what it isn't, we've had great support and our filmmakers are using it already.

Speaker 14

Great. Thanks everyone.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Brent. Operator, could we get the next question please?

Operator

Yes. We do have an additional question. This comes from Patrick Schull from Barrington Research. Please go ahead with your question. Hi, thank you.

Operator

On the theatrical releases, I was wondering if the how the performance in the quarter is kind of causing it maybe a reevaluation like how you pursue your marketing efforts. I understand like efficiencies and that is very important. I was wondering if it's more difficult to break through in the current environment and just what sort of reevaluation you guys are undertaking?

Speaker 7

Yes. Thanks for the question. I think look, I think the reevaluation has more to do with what movies we decide to make and at what prices rather than rethinking marketing. The truth is when you look at the non tentpoles that have succeeded over the course of the last quarter, there is no real correlation that you could identify between how much money was being spent and what the results were. Terrifier did a ton of business with a sub $1,000,000 P and A spend.

Speaker 7

Long legs did a tremendous business on a very modest spend and a bunch of movies that spent significantly more than we tend to spend in similar genres performed at a disappointing level. So I think making movies that can be creatively great, but that also carry with them a marketing proposition with filmmakers and talent that will force the audience to pay attention. It will never force an audience to see something they don't want to see. But making sure that you're green lighting movies that the audience will have to focus on and pay attention to and make a conscious choice about, I think what has happened here is to narrow the funnel that is going to ultimately determine what gets through, but not radically change how we're doing our business.

Operator

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, everyone. Please refer to the Press Releases and Events tab under the Investor Relations section of our company's website for a discussion of certain non GAAP forward looking measures discussed on this call. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now concluded. We do thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.

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