Perella Weinberg Partners Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 8, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Perella Weinberg Partners Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all callers have been placed in a listen only mode. And following management's prepared remarks, the call will be open for your questions. Please be advised that today's call is being recorded. And I will now turn the call over to Taylor Reinhart, Head of Communications and Marketing.

Operator

You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and welcome all. Joining me today are Andrew Bednar, Chief Executive Officer and Alex Gottschalk, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to note that this call may contain forward looking statements, including Cruella Weinberg's expectations of future financial and business performance and conditions and industry outlook. Forward looking statements are inherently subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in the forward looking statements and are not guarantees of future events or performance. Please refer to Perrella Weinberg's most recent SEC filings for a discussion of certain of these risks and uncertainties.

Speaker 1

The forward looking statements are based on our current beliefs and expectations, and the firm undertakes no obligation to update any forward looking statements. During the call, there will also be a discussion of some metrics, which are non GAAP financial measures, which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. Cruella Weinberg has reconciled these items to the most comparable GAAP measures in the press release filed today's Form 8 ks, which can be found on the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Andrew Bednar to discuss our results.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Taylor, and good morning. We are pleased to report another quarterly record for the firm. In the Q3, we reported revenues of $278,000,000 up 100% year over year and our year to date revenues at $652,000,000 are up 50% year over year and are the highest 1st 9 months in the firm's history. And with our 4th quarter revenues tracking at a similar level to those seen in Q4 2023, we remain on pace to deliver strong results for the full year 2024. Our results reported today reflect top line growth across our businesses driven by an increase in larger fee events.

Speaker 2

This is an encouraging trend and reflects both our deliberate strategic positioning and business selection optimization as well as a deepening of trusted relationships with both new and existing clients. Our team is firing on all cylinders and the results speak for themselves. I could not be more proud of our teammates and what they have achieved. Our business momentum signals that we are in the early stages of a multi year growth cycle in the transaction markets. Corporate activity which supported our franchise through the down cycle has accelerated and while announced activity from sponsors continues to lag corporates, the desire to transact among sponsors is increasing.

Speaker 2

At the same time, restructuring and liability management support and the need for creative financing solutions remain in high demand. We are seeing these trends across industries and geographies and believe we have increasingly strong tailwinds at our back. Across the firm, we are investing in growth. Since our last call, we have added 2 partners with client coverage in consumer health, wellness, beauty and personal care and in transportation, leasing and logistics. These investments in talent plus others made in prior years are investments in client relationships and are already yielding results.

Speaker 2

We have also continued to invest at the Managing Director level, bolstering that rank with 2 additional hires to deepen our client coverage and strengthen our internal partner pipeline. Our performance to date in 2024 reflects an improving operating environment that even more so represents the underlying strength of our client focused franchise. We are successfully executing on our strategy to achieve scale, while simultaneously solidifying our position as a leader in providing independent advice, especially in larger and more complex situations. Simply put, we are achieving what we said we would and we feel no constraint, rather we see an exceptional opportunity to drive long term growth. We look forward to continuing to deliver superior results for our clients and increased returns for our shareholders.

Speaker 2

Alex, I'll now turn the call over to you to review our financial results and capital management in more detail.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Andrew. Our adjusted compensation ratio for the 1st 9 months was 68% and continues to represent our estimate for our full year accrual. Our adjusted non compensation expense was $38,000,000 for the Q3 and $116,000,000 year to date. Adjusted non compensation continues to trend approximately 10% above last year's level, entirely in line with our expectations. Our adjusted tax rate was 29% for the 1st 9 months and we now anticipate that our tax rate for the full year will be below 30%.

Speaker 3

At the end of the Q3, we had 57,000,000 shares Class A common stock and approximately 31,000,000 partnership units outstanding. Compared to our share count at June 30, our public float increased 9%, while our total shares outstanding only increased 3%, resulting in part from divesting stock based compensation units and from partnership units electing to exchange into Class A common stock. We remain committed to managing our share count to mitigate dilution from stock based compensation. Year to date, we have retired more than 12,000,000 shares and share equivalents through a combination of repurchase, unit exchange for cash and net settlement. We ended the quarter with $335,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments and no debt.

Speaker 3

This morning, we declared a quarterly dividend of $0.07 per share. With that operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank We'll take our first question from Devin Ryan with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning, Andrew and Alex. How are you?

Speaker 2

Yes. Good morning, Devin. Hi.

Speaker 3

Good morning.

Speaker 5

Hi. I just want to

Speaker 4

start on just kind of big picture on revenues. Obviously, it's been a great start to 2024, rev up 50%. Year to date, against the backdrop, a pretty modest growth in M and A and that's obviously pretty significantly outperforming other independent investment banks. So I want to just dig in a little bit around what you would attribute the degree of outperformance to? And then Andrew, you mentioned the business is hitting on all cylinders, but at the same time, we're kind of in the early innings of a recovery.

Speaker 4

So just love to kind of maybe think about the kind of the growth algorithm from here and how you guys are feeling after what's a great start to the year? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Devin. Look, we're feeling good and certainly the events of this week gives us even more optimism that we're going to see continued increasing activity in the transaction markets that we're in. So I think that's shared by the industry broadly and was reflected in some of the price moves in our stocks in our industry on Wednesday. We're closing in on $3,000,000,000,000 of announced M and A this year.

Speaker 2

It's going to be up something like 20%. You are correct, we are up more than double that in our business. It continues to reflect our growth story, the fact that we are smaller scale and a faster growing participant in our industry. As I've mentioned in prior calls, we are really well positioned with where the activity has been, which has largely been dominated by corporates rather than sponsors in this early part of the cycle. I do think that will change over time.

Speaker 2

We are a bit more weighted toward corporates and we continue to benefit from that. We've also broadened out our suite of services. Often people call them products. We refer to them as services to our client base. By expanding the product and services set, we're able to capture more of that wallet and deepen our relationships with clients.

Speaker 2

So it's not any one thing, Devin, it's kind of everything. And right now, as I've mentioned, we're firing on all cylinders. That doesn't mean it'll be a straight line up to the right. We all anticipate turbulence and volatility along the way, but the trends are right now very, very clear and very accommodative for future M and A activity for sure.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks, Andrew. And then just one on the contribution of the non M and A businesses, maybe you pick on Restructuring and Liability Management. It seems like you guys have gained some nice market share there. That doesn't always get reflected in the data that we can track easily.

Speaker 4

So I wanted to just maybe get some perspective around how you would frame how much kind of those non M and A businesses are contributing in the current environment, particularly Restructuring and Liability Management, and if you could frame that relative to maybe other periods? And then just given how strong I think those businesses have been, your confidence or thoughts around the ability to grow these non M and A based businesses from here and can that happen in conjunction with an M and A recovery? Thanks.

Speaker 2

You bet. Yes, both businesses are growing. And so both businesses are up. As you know and I've mentioned on prior calls, we don't operate the businesses as business lines and as product or service lines. We are a client centric firm and so we think about clients, we think about coverage and we think about geography, but within industry coverage as a model for how we operate the business.

Speaker 2

So we don't look at product or service line P and Ls. We look at clients and how we're covering our clients. And as I said earlier, expanding the capabilities of the firm when you already have a strong existing client relationship does lead to more revenue opportunities, which we are seeing. And so I'm very, very pleased with the integrated approach that we have with our restructuring and liability management team, with our debt advisory team, with our shareholder analytics and engagement advisory team alongside our traditional M and A business. M and A is largely driving the increases that we're seeing, but it's very much in tandem with our other service lines and restructuring and liability management being a key one.

Speaker 2

We don't make it easy, I know neither does the industry on segmenting that and providing exact detail and I know that public data sources have trouble doing that. But again, for us, we look at it as a client centric model, not as a product or service line.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thanks, Andrew. I'll leave it there and let someone else ask. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Devin.

Operator

Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Brendan O'Brien with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. To start, I want to touch on something you alluded to in response to Evan's question, just on corporate. Corporate M and A has obviously been leading over the past couple of years, leading to some of the belief that you're going to see greater acceleration in sponsor activity from here. However, given the expectation for Trump administration, I was hoping you could help give us a sense as to how meaningful of an impact the tougher antitrust backdrop has been over the past few years and how meaningful of a tailwind that could be going forward?

Speaker 2

Sure. We've been in a pretty tough antitrust review environment and I think it's had two impacts. One is that you've seen some transactions be challenged and some terminated. Now in the context of several 1,000 M and A transactions a year in the United States, There's only been 2 dozen or so enforcement actions and probably under 20 transactions that have actually been terminated due to an antitrust challenge. And as you're well aware, there have been a number of court cases actually that went in favor of the transaction participants against the FTC and the DOJ.

Speaker 2

So overall, that part of it has not been the story. To us, the storyline has been the chilling impact that the timeline to closing has created through a stronger muscle from the antitrust regulators. And so if you're in the transaction markets as a participant trying to announce and then close the transaction, the longer timeline to close is a high, high risk proposition because you don't know exactly what you're getting if it's going to take a year or more to get some of these transactions closed. And so the risk reward equation has changed and that's really the big impact over the last 2 years. It's put some transactions on the shelf that I do think will come back.

Speaker 2

And it's and again, been costly in terms of timeline to get things signed and closed. And I do think that under a lighter touch regulator will be an accelerant for the M and A business.

Speaker 5

That's helpful context. And for my follow-up, I just wanted to touch on recruiting. You've been running a bit below your recruiting target over the last couple of years. I understand part of that was a conscious choice to undergo the expense initiative last year. But I want to get a sense as to what you're seeing in the recruiting environment today and how we should be thinking about partner growth from here?

Speaker 2

Yes, we're running a little bit below trend. We said when we went out as a public company back in June of 2021 that we have our targets. It will be a little bit uneven and we're in an uneven period. We're seeing a lot of candidates and we're seeing some very good opportunities. But I think partly that people are so busy at their current firms that it is taking longer to initiate and to vet and then finally to execute and then transition to a different firm.

Speaker 2

And so much like what's happened in the M and A closing pipeline that I just alluded to earlier because of antitrust activity, we see a similar issue in the talent market where it's just taking longer. But the candidates are out there. I think the proposition to move to a platform like ours is still compelling. And I think offers an exciting opportunity for certain segments of the advisory population that's out there. And that's a very, very dynamic market.

Speaker 2

So it's not a winner take all, get it established today type of business. The labor markets and the talent markets are constantly changing and we see new opportunities for talent acquisition coming up all the time. But we do we agree with you. I agree with you that we're a little bit on the lighter side here in 2024, but we're picking that up and picking that pace up for 2025.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And we'll take our next question from Aidan Hall with KBW.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just to start following up there, because you talked about broadening out suite of services and then also kind of the recruiting environment. Can you just touch on some of the areas or put a finer point on it of where you still see some of the biggest needs for Prellis capabilities from kind of building out in white space, if you will? Like where are you really focused on, if you kind of had to give a couple of priority spots?

Speaker 2

Yes, I would say in the near to intermediate term, it's all about expanding our client footprint. And so within our key industry groups, we just have an enormous amount of uncovered space. We have a fantastic brand, thanks to all the hard work of the team in the last 18 years, and we just don't have enough team members to get the brand out into more boardrooms and into more C suites. So we've got a lot of uncovered areas still here in the United States as well as in Europe, our 2 key markets. And we're going to continue to build out our team of client coverage bankers.

Speaker 2

I would say it's probably less so on the service line or product capabilities and maybe some additions there, but we're very, very comfortable with how we've built out our capabilities and now it's just a matter of getting more client coverage bankers and expanding our client footprint.

Speaker 6

Great. That's helpful context. Maybe just kind of taking that into consideration with the comp ratio in your prepared remarks talking about multiyear rebound in activity. Obviously, the growth has been strong and above peers to start the year and recruiting has been below trend. How should we be thinking about the leverage in the system right now and maybe just the way to be framing growth for 2025 as it relates to the comp ratio?

Speaker 2

Yes. Look, we're heading into the back very back part of the year. We've said 68% is our best estimate today for the comp ratio accrual. That's 2 points down from last year. It is below the peer group and we are growing faster than the peer group as evidenced by today's results and the year to date results in particular.

Speaker 2

When we went out as a public company in 20 21, again, we said we'd be in the mid-60s. I think we're not far off from the target. We're getting closer to reassessing our comp ratio, but I think we don't try to pinpoint that to a revenue number because as I've said in prior calls, it is a multi variable equation. We're solving for building a world class business. We're not solving for quarter to quarter.

Speaker 2

And in building world class business, we're going to take decisions on talent and investment. Partially that investment is in new talent acquisition and people joining the firm in the near term. But also as I've mentioned on prior calls as well, we do have a longer ramp up than we've seen historically, partly as a result of market environment that hopefully consistent with my comments earlier about acceleration in M and A, we're hopeful that the ramp up also declines from what we've experienced certainly in the last 2 or so years. So when we talk about investment, it's not just the current year talent acquisition, it's also new partner promotion and it's prior talent that's joined the platform that's just taking a bit longer to get up to peak performance. As I've said also, Adrien, we the employees and partners of this firm own a lot of stock.

Speaker 2

We are the largest group of shareholders, something over 40 percent now. We're very aligned with our shareholders. We look very carefully at share count, very carefully at comp ratio, return of capital, all the things that you'd want in good shareholder alignment we have and comp ratio is very much on that list to think about what's a balanced approach. And I think we've struck the right balance between the growth and investment we're making and what we deliver to shareholders.

Speaker 6

Appreciate the color. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Aiden.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from James Yaro with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Just two quick ones on election related impacts. I know you mentioned this a little bit earlier, Andrew. If we see a much steeper yield curve, I think some of which has already happened in the past few days, does this impact M and A activity at all? And then I think one of key questions under the incoming administration is tariffs.

Speaker 7

Maybe you could just speak to what the potential impact of these could be on your business if at all?

Speaker 2

Sure. Thanks, James. I may be a little bit of a minority on this. I think sponsors will come back, but I do think it's going to be a bit slower than maybe we would all hope. And I think the rate environment is probably going to be less accommodative than certainly what that part of our market was used to several years ago.

Speaker 2

So the rate picture has certainly changed. We've gone from an increasing cycle to now a decreasing cycle. But my own view is that there are a lot of continued inflationary pressures. You're going to have a government that's going to borrow more and spend more. And I think that's going to make it very, very challenging to actually bring down base rates.

Speaker 2

And so I think it's going to put some pressure on sponsors that are not going to get the tailwind of financing costs and they're going to have to find value through just grinding through EBITDA expansion in order to drive valuation and drive exits. So it's not a terrible story. It's just not as good of a backdrop, I think, as I see in the corporate world, which I do think will still continue driving the M and A markets.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you. That's very helpful. Maybe just on near term revenue question, I think you noted that the 4Q24 revenues expect to be closer to the $213,000,000 I you put up in 4Q 2023. I think that suggests revenue be down sequentially.

Speaker 7

Maybe you could just speak to whether there was any sort

Speaker 2

of pull forward into this quarter

Speaker 7

and separately whether perhaps there was uncertainty ahead of the election that is impacting the revenue sequentially?

Speaker 2

We all saw in the industry a little bit of a slowdown in just engagement and activity for a month or so, but not a tremendous lead up to the election where there was a cessation completely of activity. So I think it's a minor speed bump on the election. And now as I mentioned earlier, you've got very significant accelerants that we haven't seen in some time. So it will more than make up for that brief slowdown. We did pull forward based on our accounting policies, transactions that closed in the 1st 2 days of Q4 were pulled forward to Q3.

Speaker 2

It was a little bit over $25,000,000 And so that has an impact on how we see the Q4 period. I feel very, very good about the overall strength of our year end and strength going into 2025. But we do think that the Q4 period is looking more like a Q4 2023. And as I said earlier in comments, we're on a good trajectory overall with secular growth, but there'll be some unevenness and choppiness along the way that doesn't bother us. It's sort of in the business we're in.

Speaker 7

Very clear. Just a really quick one here. I think in the press release you noted that you have $57,000,000 of Class A common stock and $31,200,000 of partnership units. Should we read that to mean that you have $88,200,000 of end of period share count and that's the starting point for the Q4? Any other nuances that we should be thinking about around the share count going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes, that's a good read. Actually, I'll defer to Alex to address that question James directly.

Operator

Yes. Hi, James.

Speaker 3

Yes, so that's correct. The ending share count for the period was the 88,200,000.

Speaker 7

That's very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the Q and A portion of today's call. I would now like to turn the call back over to Andrew Bednar for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for joining us today. We appreciate the opportunity to speak with you and we look forward to executing further on our strategic plan with support from our clients and from you, our investors and also with the intense focus of our entire team here at Perella Weinberg. We hope you all have a successful AMTA-twenty four. Wish you a wonderful holiday season and we look forward to connecting again on our February call.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes the Perella Weinberg Partners Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call and Webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.

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