Smith & Wesson Brands Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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December 5, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to Smith and Wesson Brands Second Quarter Fiscal 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. This call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Kevin Maxwell, Smith and Wesson's General Counsel, who will give some information about today's call.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good afternoon. Our comments today may contain forward looking statements. Our use of the words anticipate, project, estimate, expect, intend, believe and other similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements. Forward looking statements may also include statements on topics such as our product development, objectives, strategies, market share, demand, consumer preferences, inventory conditions for our products, growth opportunities and trends and industry conditions in general. Forward looking statements represent our current judgment about the future and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by our statements today.

Speaker 1

These risks and uncertainties are described in our SEC filings, which are available on our website along with a replay of today's call. We have no obligation to update forward looking statements. We reference certain non GAAP financial results. Our non GAAP financial results exclude relocation expense and other costs. Reconciliations of GAAP financial measures to non GAAP financial measures can be found in our SEC filings and in today's earnings press release, each of which is available on our website.

Speaker 1

Also, when we reference EPS, we are always referencing fully diluted EPS and any reference to EBITDAS is to adjusted EBITDAS. Before I hand the call over to our speakers, I would like to remind you that when we discuss NICS results, we are referring to adjusted NICS, a metric published by the National Shooting Sports Foundation based on FBI NICS data. Adjusted NICS removes those background checks conducted for purposes other than firearms purchases. Adjusted NICS is generally considered the best available proxy for consumer firearms demand at the retail counter. Because we transfer firearms only to law enforcement agencies and federally licensed distributors and retailers and not to end consumers, NICS generally does not directly correlate to our shipments or market share in any given time period.

Speaker 1

We believe mostly due to inventory levels in the channel. Joining us on today's call are Mark Smith, our President and CEO and Dean MacPherson, our CFO. With that, I will turn the call over to Mark.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kevin, and thanks everyone for joining us today. 2nd quarter results came in below our expectations as overall demand for firearms normalized late in the quarter. Despite these headwinds, we continue to outperform the market and believe we gained share led by our best in class innovation with new products representing 44% of our sales in the period, which I'll cover in more detail in a few moments. From a profitability standpoint, as we've detailed many times before, our unique flexible manufacturing model is designed to quickly react to the volatility that is typical in the firearms industry. And as always, our team executed very well in response to the slowdown, enabling us to again deliver solid adjusted EBITDAs.

Speaker 2

Looking at the overall firearms market as measured by FBI background checks for firearms purchases, adjusted NICS was up 1.1% for our 2nd quarter, but deteriorated significantly as the quarter progressed, including a 5% decline in October. Overall for Smith and Wesson, our units shipped into the channel increased by 8 0.7%, while distributor and strategic retail account inventories largely held flat with only a 2.7% increase indicating strong share growth despite a challenging market. Breaking those numbers down by category, handgun NICS was flat in Q2, while long gun NICS was up 3.6%. For Smith and Wesson, our handgun shipments were up 19.2%, significantly outperforming the market due mostly to very strong demand for our new products led by the entry level price Bodyguard 2.0. On long guns, our shipments were down 26.4%.

Speaker 2

However, I will note that this is largely due to timing associated with channel fill shipments and outperformance of new products in the comparable quarter last year. Removing these outliers, shipments of our core long gun line were down only 4.8%, which is typical this quarter, which is the strongest quarter for hunting products. And since we are just beginning to enter the hunting category with our lever action rifles, the benefit was less impactful on our results. We believe that the primary driver of the demand pressure continues to be inflation. The consumer cautiousness with discretionary spend that we observed in recent quarters was more pronounced during Q2 than we anticipated.

Speaker 2

I will also note that this continued into November as evidenced by the recent mix results. Lower or opening price point product is generally performing better, which is evidence of trade down activity. We are well positioned to navigate this challenging demand environment as we have many times before. By remaining focused on executing against our flexible manufacturing model, we expect to preserve profitability and a strong balance sheet. Additionally, we expect to maintain and gain share through innovation.

Speaker 2

Highlighting this point, our new Bodyguard 2.0 chambered in 380 ACP, which we launched in July, has quickly become one of the most sought after concealed carry pistols in the industry. And we are proud to have won best new handgun of 2024 from the National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers, which represents our largest channel customers and also 2024 handgun of the year from Guns and Ammo Magazine, one of the most popular firearm consumer publications. Additionally, our 1854 lever action rifle continues to perform well and with our planned expansion of this popular line throughout the second half of FY twenty twenty five, we expect this momentum to build even further as the year progresses. Smith and Wesson has proven to be a leader in innovation. With a very strong pipeline of new products and award winning engineering and design team and core value of operational excellence in quality and manufacturing efficiency, innovation will continue to be a strong driver of success.

Speaker 2

Moving now to average selling prices. Overall ASPs were down 8% versus a year ago driven by mix factors as well as increased promotional activity. Hang on ASPs declined 11% reflecting strong sales of the Bodyguard 2 point 0, which has a retail price of around $400 combined with lower sales and revolvers. In contrast, long gun ASPs increased 11% due to the increased sales of lever action rifles relative to the remainder of the long gun line. Additionally, and as expected, the market has become increasingly competitive with substantial promotional activity across the board.

Speaker 2

With our strong balance sheet, we are able to carefully evaluate our participation in promotions and we'll continue to do so thoughtfully. But we do anticipate sustained pressure on ASPs throughout the remainder of the fiscal year from promotional spending. In summary, our disciplined approach to managing the business continues to deliver solid profitability and a strong balance sheet no matter the market conditions. We remain committed to our capital allocation strategy of returning value to stockholders as evidenced by our very healthy quarterly dividend and our repurchase of 1,600,000 shares since the beginning of this fiscal year with 754,000 of those shares purchased in Q2. Finally, and as always, I just want to thank our entire team of dedicated Smith and Wesson employees for tirelessly putting their skills to work every day to make us successful.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn the call over to Dina to cover the financials.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Mark. Net sales for our Q2 of $129,700,000 were $4,700,000 or 3.8 percent above the prior year comparable quarter on the strength of our new Bodyguard 3 80 pistol and lever action rifle. During the quarter, inventory in the distribution channel grew slightly in terms of actual units, but declined significantly in terms of weeks outstanding as expected due to increased volume. Handgun ASPs declined significantly from Q1 levels, reflecting volume growth in The Bodyguard combined with additional promotions. As expected, ASPs for long guns returned to Q4 levels.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, Q1 long gun ASPs were disproportionately high due to the mix of higher priced products and lower overall volume. Gross margin of 26.6% was 1.2% above the comparable quarter last year due to a one time accrual in the prior year quarter for a legal settlement. Excluding this one time accrual, the prior year margin would have been 28% or 1.3% higher than the current year. The current year margin was negatively impacted by the lower average handgun selling prices and higher labor overhead costs. Operating expenses of $27,600,000 for our 2nd quarter were $400,000 lower than the prior year comparable quarter with higher R and D costs and legal expenses being more than offset by the absence of costs associated with the Maribor grand opening event last year.

Speaker 3

The increased sales volume and related margin resulted in net income of $4,100,000 or $0.09 per share. On a non GAAP basis, income per share was $0.11 Cash used in operations for the 2nd quarter was $7,400,000 compared with $2,900,000 in the prior year comparable quarter due to a larger increase in net working capital in the current quarter, partially offset by increased net income. We spent $3,300,000 on capital projects this quarter compared with $34,900,000 in the prior year comparable quarter, primarily due to lower investment in the current year related to the relocation. We expect our capital spending for the year to be between $25,000,000 $30,000,000 In September, our Board approved a new $50,000,000 share repurchase authorization effective when the prior authorization expired. Also during the quarter, we signed a new unsecured $175,000,000 line of credit.

Speaker 3

This new line increased our total available borrowings by $75,000,000 and extended the maturity to October 2029. This new unsecured line of credit has nearly identical terms as our prior line that was set to expire in August 2025 and shows the continued support that we have from our banking partners. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 754,000 shares at an average price of $12.94 for a total of $9,800,000 We paid $5,800,000 in dividends and ended the quarter with $39,100,000 in cash and $100,000,000 in borrowings on our line of credit, which we expect to pay down in the second half. Finally, our Board has authorized our $0.13 quarterly dividend to be paid to stockholders of record on December 19 with payments to be made on January 2. Looking forward to our Q3, based on the softer demand trends we've seen across the industry in recent months, we have reduced our expectations for the second half of fiscal twenty twenty five and now expect full year revenue to be 5% to 10% lower than fiscal 2024.

Speaker 3

Although we are experiencing very strong support for our new products, we are also seeing a more visible impact from inflation on consumer behavior, including trading down to lower priced products for many of our core products. In addition, promotional activity has increased significantly due to market dynamics, creating incremental margin pressure that we expect to result in our full year margin being in line or even slightly below fiscal 2024. Channel inventory is expected to remain stable and we believe that the distribution channel remains cautious and will continue to manage their inventory carefully. For our Q3, we expect our top line to be approximately 10% to 15% lower than fiscal 20 24 with margins a few points lower than the prior year quarter due to increased promotions and lower ASPs. We also expect to see operating expenses at 5% to 10% above the prior year comparable quarter due to investments in research and development, promotions and marketing programs to drive volume related market share.

Speaker 3

Our effective tax rate is expected to be approximately 25%. Due to the changes in the market and the share repurchases that we've already completed, we now expect to end the year with debt levels similar to or slightly above last year with roughly an equivalent amount of cash on hand. Although we expect that cash generation will be lower than our annual target of $75,000,000 our capital spending needs are also lower due to the completion of the relocation and our focus on internal projects. This will allow us to repay a large portion of our outstanding revolver while still investing in our business. As a reminder, our capital allocation plan continues to be invest in our business, remain debt free and return cash to our stockholders.

Speaker 3

With that operator, can we please open the call to questions from our analysts?

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer Our first question is from Steve Dyer with Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hi, guys. This is Matthew Robb on for Steve. Just one for me. Thanks for all the color on the puts and takes in the model. Just on ASPs, it sounds like there's a little bit more pressure in the second half.

Speaker 4

Do you think you can kind of hold the Q2 levels or do you think it's going to come down a little bit more than that across both handguns and long guns?

Speaker 2

Yes, good question. As I this is Mark. As I covered in the prepared remarks, we're going to we will be seeing some pressure from probably some a little bit increased promotional activity, just due to the competitive market. But do believe that's going to be more than offset by mix associated with some new products that we'll be launching here in the beginning of our Q3. So overall for the second half, I think you can kind of anticipate that Q3 will be largely flat on handguns, up a little bit on long guns and then overall for the second half, we'll be actually be up slightly on ASPs for both.

Speaker 4

Okay. Got that. And then just on the channel, you covered it in the comments, but it seems to be mostly the finished goods. What's the confidence level of bringing down inventory in the second half in the backdrop of a probably cooling off gun market?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, obviously, the inventory rose a little bit more than anticipated just simply related to the fact that the market was a little bit softer than we anticipated specifically in the back half of September and into October. But we have a pretty robust sales and operations planning process that we go through on a monthly basis to make sure that our production is aligned with the sales volume. So feel pretty comfortable with being able to bring that inventory back down. And again, I mean strong balance sheet for the company's core focus of ours.

Speaker 2

And so no rush there. No there's no need to kind of jerk the manufacturing plant around. We'll kind of ramp that down and feel very comfortable with the inventory reduction by the end of the year.

Speaker 4

Okay, got it. That's great. That's it for me. Thanks.

Speaker 3

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Rommel Dionisio with Aegis Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. With regards to new product launches, obviously, this is the time of year where the industry is going to aggressively launch as well you guys. I wonder, Mark, if you could just give us an initial feel for I realize it's early, it's still early December, but just maybe give us an initial feel for the proclivity of retailers and distributors to take on inventory, given the backdrop of somewhat challenging inflationary environment? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. Yes, good question, Rommel. I think in this environment, I don't think environment's market is unique in this for consumer goods, but it's all going to be about innovation. And it's been less than I think we've proven over the last couple of years. We definitely are the leader in the marketplace on innovation and that's going to continue to be a focused area of ours.

Speaker 2

So that the proclivity of the retailers and the channel partners to bring on inventory, that's what they're looking for. They're looking for new products. That's where the volume is right now. I mean, the 2 kind of real nice bright spots for us in the Q2 where that Bodyguard 380 that we launched in July, that's quickly become the number one concealed carry pistol in the marketplace and the lever action continues to perform well. So as we continue to keep up that cadence of new product introduction in the back half, we're pretty optimistic that those are going to be a nice price for the second half.

Speaker 5

Okay. Maybe just a quick follow-up, if I could. I noticed obviously the softening consumer demand primarily site inflation there. Was weather a factor? It seemed like it was a really warm fall, early start to this hunting season a lot of key markets in the country.

Speaker 5

So was there any impact from that, would you say?

Speaker 2

No, I wouldn't say so. Actually, Rommel, our August was very strong. August was strong, beginning of September was strong and it kind of started to slow down there in the second half of September into October. So I really do think it's as we covered in the prepared remarks, we believe it's really just related to inflation and just the pressure on discretionary spend with consumers' wallets. And so that really is the primary driver there.

Speaker 5

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Ram.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Mark Smith with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi, guys. A handful of questions for me today. First, I just wanted to walk through the guidance to make sure that I kind of caught everything right here. Just for the year on revenue, you said down 5% to 10%, I believe, and margins similar to last year. Just correct me if I'm wrong on either of those, but then I missed kind of your operating expense guidance for the year.

Speaker 3

We didn't give operating expense guidance for the year. We only gave for the quarter. Quarter will be up 5% to 10%.

Speaker 6

Okay. Perfect. That's what I missed. Thank you. Mark, just wanted to jump back in on ASP, primarily looking at handgun, but maybe kind of across the board in products.

Speaker 6

Can you talk about how much ASP maybe was under pressure due to just success of Bodyguard and maybe the mix of a lower priced item versus maybe just general consumer pullback and them gravitating towards lower priced items, maybe trading out into other brands that aren't that maybe cater to a budget priced handgun as well as kind of any thoughts that you have around used firearm market and how that's maybe showing mix a little bit higher, but maybe not as relevant to makes mix maybe less relevant to what your business is seeing?

Speaker 2

Sure. I think it's probably a little bit of a combination of both, Mark. On the ASPs in terms of trading down to lower priced products and the success of the Bodyguard 380. For us, I mean, I think as I covered in the remarks, I mean, we took share, specifically in handguns. And so I think in terms of the trade down I mean, sorry, the trading out for other brands, I don't think that frankly for us was a factor.

Speaker 2

I think the biggest the bigger factor was just success of that bodyguard, which is great. That's what we want. We want innovation to be driving the bus right now. When it's a challenging environment, whoever's got the best new products is going to win. And right now, we're winning, so that's good.

Speaker 2

On the used gun market, anytime the firearms market kind of starts to stop like this, because yes, that used gun market does tend to tick up a little bit. And so just like it always has, it is picking up a little bit right now.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then you talked about promotional environment a little bit. Maybe give us any indication of how you feel about the rebate programs that you guys kind of ran, it seems like later in the quarter, but still some current ones out there. If you feel like you're getting kind of the bang for your buck on those, how successful that's been kind of response from consumers?

Speaker 2

Yes. As I said in the remarks, I mean, we're pretty thoughtful about it. We're not with the balance sheet strength that we have, we don't have to be reactionary. And so we really make sure we take our time and evaluate it, make sure we're getting we're going to get a return for that dollar spent on rebates and on promotions, whether it be within the channel or targeted towards the consumer. And as far as the 2 that are active right now, they're doing really well for us.

Speaker 2

They're exceeding or meeting expectations. So that's it's working for us to sit back and kind of make sure we take a pretty measured approach to that. That said, as we go forward, we're going to need to continue we're likely going to need to continue to participate there just because it's a more competitive environment.

Speaker 6

Okay. Looking broadly at the industry, you've talked a bit about your kind of inventory levels. Is there any fear or how do you feel about kind of industry inventory levels? Are you seeing kind of stockpiling by retailer distributors things kind of backing up and inventory getting jammed higher than it should be within the industry? Or is the industry being thoughtful, I guess, around inventory?

Speaker 2

Yes. Actually, it's the opposite. They're being very thoughtful. They're not stockpiling at all. We're very comfortable with the inventory levels we see in the channel.

Speaker 2

I think as you know, we measure on a very frequent basis. We're looking at distributor inventory levels and measuring where they're at and making sure they're not getting out of their SKUs. And so and they're not the inventory levels out there are very healthy. We're very comfortable with where they're standing.

Speaker 6

Excellent. And I think the last one for me, maybe a tough one to answer because you can't really quantify it. But as we think about just big picture here and kind of outlook for shooting sports or firearm industry here over the next year or 2? Is there a reason to think that we're maybe past or beyond fear based buying that we saw kind of in the past. We saw kind of a weaker demand into the election than we've seen in the past.

Speaker 6

Obviously, a lot of firearms purchased over the last 4, 5 years here. But just given the mix of kind of government and courts, do you feel like maybe we're past that big spikes in demand just as people fear any increased regulations?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think, look, I think the primary driver obviously right now is the fact that the consumer's wallet and discretionary spend is being pinched by the state of the economy and inflation etcetera and the price of groceries and all the other necessities that the consumers are having to buy and our customers are having to buy. So obviously that outweighed any clear baseline around regulation in this election cycle. However, I think there is still that driver out there of the primary driver has moved to personal protection. And so that definitely is a factor we continue to look at.

Speaker 2

But I think you're accurate in saying that the fear based buying around gun control regulation has abated.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Very helpful. Thank you guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks Mark.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand the floor back over to Mark Smith for any closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator. And thanks everyone for joining us today and your interest in Smith and Wesson. We look forward to speaking with you all again next quarter.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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