DLH Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 1, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Dorian LPG Third Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Additionally, a live audio webcast of today's conference call is available on Dorian LPG's website, which is www.

Operator

Dorianlpg.com. I would like to now turn the conference over to Ted Young, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you, Mr. Young. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Rob. Good morning and thank you all for joining us for our Q3 2024 results conference call. With me today are John Hadjipateras, Chairman, President and CEO of Dorian LPG Limited John Lukouris, Chief Executive Officer of Dorian LPG USA and Tim Hanson, Chief Commercial Officer. As a reminder, this conference call webcast and a replay of this call will be available through February 8, 2024. Many of our remarks today contain forward looking statements based on current expectations.

Speaker 1

These statements may often be identified with words such as expect, anticipate, believe or similar indications of future expectations. Although we believe that such forward looking statements are reasonable, we cannot assure you that any forward looking statements will prove to be correct. These forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties and other factors as well as general economic conditions. Should 1 or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize or should underlying assumptions or estimates prove to be incorrect, Actual results may vary materially from those we express today. Additionally, let me refer you to our unaudited results for the period ended December 31, 3 that were filed this morning on Form 10 Q.

Speaker 1

In addition, please refer to our filings on Form 10 ks, you'll find risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward looking statements. Finally, please also refer to the investor highlights slides posted morning on our website to which we will refer during the call. With that, I'll turn over the call to John Hadjipateras. Thank

Speaker 2

you. And thank you for joining us, John, Luca, Ted, Tim and me to discuss our Q3 financial 24 results. As you will hear in more detail from Ted, in the financial year to date, We are into record average TCE, record spot TCE and record EBITDA. While maintaining a strong balance sheet and capital to invest in our segment and in our decarbonization initiatives, we continue to return capital to our shareholders. Including our recently declared dollar per share dividend, we will have returned over $690,000,000 to shareholders since our IPO.

Speaker 2

As one of the largest share operators in our segment, we believe we are well positioned to continue our profitable performance the LPG sector and beyond. More than 40 ships were absorbed into the fleet in 2023, A 12% addition. This was the largest number of ships delivered in a single year since the delivery in 2016 of 46 ships, which represented 23% of the then existing fleet. Of the 17 new buildings slated for delivery in 2024, 4 have already started trading. We view the market volatility of 2023 and particularly the Big rate spikes as evidence of demand and supply being close to equilibrium.

Speaker 2

The recent near total elimination of waiting times for the Canal, which is still draft restricted, is not sustainable. The Canal Authority is prioritizing container ships and LNG ships over LPG. There are 109 Neo Panamax ships and 73 LNG ships slated for delivery this year. For these reasons as well as the power reduction resulting in slower speeds, which didn't happen last year, we are optimistic. On the XR side, we continue to invest in improving the quality of life of our displaced Ukrainian seafarers and their families.

Speaker 2

We recently introduced a simplified payment system through an e wallet that enables them to receive their monthly allotments quickly and with less hassle. On the social front, we will enter Arshay Yen in a pilot program through the All Aboard Alliance, a global maritime forum sponsored initiative, which will enable accelerated data collection regarding diversity and increased opportunities for all genders at sea. We are evaluating compelling emission saving devices and low friction paints for our ships. During Q3, we painted one of our dry dock ships with silicone paint and have signed new contracts for energy saving devices that will be retrofitted in the coming year. We also continue our real time emission monitoring program and have enhanced the initiative by installing Mann's Echo Torque engine diagnostics tool on 20 of our own chips.

Speaker 2

We have expanded our performance team in Denmark by adding a mechanical engineer. We ordered a new building VLGC, VLAC from Hanwha Shipyard in Korea delivery in 2026 and are investigating opportunities to upgrade some of our existing ships to carry ammonia. John Lycouris will speak further on his topic. Ted, you are full.

Speaker 1

Thank you, John. My comments this morning will focus on our financial position and liquidity, our unaudited third quarter results and our capital allocation decisions. At December 31, 2023, we reported $208,500,000 of free cash, which represented a very solid increase the $192,000,000 reported at the end of September. The $208,500,000 is of course reported after the payment of the $40,000,000 dividend that was declared and paid during the December quarter. As of January 31, we had an unrestricted cash balance of $215,000,000 which is net of the $23,800,000 down payment made on our VLGC AC newbuilding during January 2024.

Speaker 1

We do not consolidate the P and L or balance sheet accounts of the Helios pool, which has the effect of understating our reported cash. As of January 31, 2023, the pool held cash of $36,200,000 And since we have a roughly 86% economic interest in the pool, It equates to cash of approximately $31,000,000 which is not otherwise reported on our balance sheet. With a debt balance quarter end of $623,800,000 our debt to total book capitalization stood at 38.8 percent and net debt to total book capitalization at 25 8%. As we have previously reported, our banks agreed to increase our revolving credit facility from $20,000,000 to $50,000,000 to add a $100,000,000 accordion line for vessel acquisitions to the facility. We are grateful for their support and for their endorsement of our stewardship of their capital.

Speaker 1

We've begun to evaluate various pre and post delivery financing options for our VLGC AC with an aim of maintaining our low debt costs and high level of financial flexibility. Looking forward, we expect our cash cost per day for the coming year to be in the range of $25,000 to $26,000 per day, Excluding capital expenditures for drydocking and potentially upgrades for ammonia capability in our existing fleet, which John will discuss later. For the discussion of our Q3 results, you also may find it useful to refer to the investor highlights slides posted this morning on our website. I would also remind you that my remarks will include a number of terms such as TCE, operating days, available days and adjusted EBITDA. Please refer to our filings for the definitions of these terms.

Speaker 1

For our 3rd quarter chartering results, we achieved a TCE of 76 $1,337 per operating day with a total utilization of 93.6 percent yielding utilization adjusted TCE $71,431 This TCE result represents the best in the company's history. As our entire spot trading program is conducted through the Helios pool, the spot results for Helios are the best measure of our spot chartering performance. For the December 31st quarter, the Helios pool earned a spot TCE of $91,417 per day, which is the highest spot rate the pool has ever earned for a quarter. On Page 4 of the investor highlights material, you can see that we have 5 Dorian vessels on time charter within the pool plus 1 MOL Energia vessel indicating spot exposure of about 75% to 80% for the 27 vessels in the Helios pool. Turning to the quarter ending March 31, 2024, we currently have over 60% of the available days in the Helios pool Booked at a time charter equivalent in excess of $100,000 per day, reflecting the very strong rates booked earlier for voyages that will be carried out this calendar quarter.

Speaker 1

Please note that that rate includes both spot fixtures and time charters. Our OpEx per calendar day excluding drydocking cost was $9,909 which was down somewhat sequentially from the prior quarter. Reductions in lubricants and spares and stores drove the Our time charter in expense for the 4 time charter in vessels came in at $8,400,000 which is lower than budgeted due to some fuel efficiency underperformance claims. Total G and A for the quarter was $7,700,000 and cash G and A, That is G and A excluding non cash compensation expense was about $6,300,000 Of that $6,300,000 about $500,000 included to our Ukrainian seafarers and some employee bonuses. Thus, our core G and A came in at roughly $5,800,000 which is consistent with our expectations.

Speaker 1

Non cash compensation expense for the quarter was $1,400,000 which is consistent with the guidance that we gave last quarter. Our reported adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $133,000,000 which is the best quarterly adjusted EBITDA in our corporate history. Our adjusted EBITDA for the last 12 months is nearly $415,000,000 Turning to debt service, our cash interest expense, which we calculate as the sum of the Line items interest expense excluding deferred financing fees and other loan expenses and realized gain loss on interest rate swap derivatives for the quarter was $7,500,000 a decline of about $200,000 from the prior quarter, reflecting lower average debt and our all in cost of debt of about 4.7%, which I would note is below current floating SOFR rates. Quarterly principal amortization remained steady at 13,300,000 Our trailing 12 month net income is about $304,000,000 and with average book shareholders of equity for the same 12 month period of roughly 9 $1,000,000 we generated a 33.4 percent return on shareholders' equity. We are proud of this result because it not only reflects the strong profitability that our platform can generate, it also shows that we've managed to keep our shareholders equity at an appropriate level, balancing retention of capital while still paying out meaningful dividends to our shareholders.

Speaker 1

The $1 per share dividend declared last week and payable on February 27 to shareholders of record February 5, 2024 brings our total dividends paid to $11.50 per share or nearly $465,000,000 in aggregate. We underscore the call to questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, please standby. We are experiencing technical difficulties and our conference will begin Thank you for standing by, ladies and gentlemen. Ted, please continue.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Rob. Again, we're positive on the long term prospects of our business, but we are mindful of the near term headwinds. With that, I'll pass it over to Tim Hanson.

Speaker 3

Good day, everyone, and thanks for dialing in. As always, the VLCC market created some interesting times for the participants. As the record selling strength of December contrasted sharply with the market during January 2020 The quarter ending December 31 in 2023 saw record breaking high freight levels for VLGCs. The primary drivers of the firm freight market were the widening U. S.

Speaker 3

To Asia arbitrage, several new restrictions applying to the Panama Canal and subsequent vessel routing decisions amidst the uncertainty about the Panama and the Suez Canal transits. Turning first to the arbitrage In North America, production of natural gas liquids continued to increase inventories to record levels. This was amidst an unseasonably warm start to the winter. The increased supply of LPG lowered the U. S.

Speaker 3

Export prices offsetting some of the short term concerns about Asia import demand SLA later was also the latter was also experiencing a warm winter. The effect of the drought in Panama has been widely discussed. The Panama Canal introduced new restrictions on VLGC transits at the end of October. A severe reduction of water level necessitated reduction in daily transits with the cost of booking transits of VLGCs becoming more expensive. By the 1st week of November, auctions for New Panama Canal Transits reached a peak of just under $4,000,000 And some operators faced the real possibility of not being able to secure a northbound transit.

Speaker 3

Vietnamese seas were opting for alternative routes, Some turning around mid Pacific to avoid uncertainty of the Panama Canal and a few opting to balance around South America resulting in increased ton miles as well as impacting lead time for owners and charters in estimating arrival in the U. S. Gulf for loading. The scheduling impact was eventually priced into the freight levels and late currents were fixed almost 2 months forward of the fixing window. The uncertainties about scheduling and the cost impact apply for vessels in both ballast and in Leyden, with charters facing potentially restrictive high auction prices at the Panama Canal or choosing the longer laden passage near the Suez Canal.

Speaker 3

On average, the quarter ending December 23 averaged 25 VLGCs ballasting to the U. S. Gulf via sewers per month. This compared to an average of 13 VLGCs per month on the quarter prior. The Suez Canal routing was preferred reversals in Ballast and Leiden to such as agreed that in December, the Baltic index saw few rates fixed under the agreed index of Houston Cheaper via Panama terms, with the bulk of fixtures being reported on a Houston cheaper via sewers rate.

Speaker 3

The shift in pricing norms made assessment of the market more difficult but testifies to the significant shift in trading routes for the VNDCs over the period. However, Geopolitical tensions in the Middle East made the routing via Suez a short lived solution. When drone and missile attacks in the Red Sea escalated during December, Operators began to decline the Red Sea route on grounds of safety, and VLGCs were pushed towards routing via the Cape of Good Hope. For the first time in several years, more than 10 years is seen ballastened via the Cape of Good Hope in 1 month. As a result, The added ton miles support the freight market in the short term.

Speaker 3

Now reflecting on how conditions can change. At the beginning of January, several factors increased the fleet length. Forecast of a co snap in January in the U. S. Created in anticipation of a sudden increase in domestic LPG consumption, which began to be priced into the product market and reducing the West East arbitrage, one of the key drivers.

Speaker 3

Also, the Far East index prices were on the decline amidst Asian importers anticipating reduced import demand due to lower demand for heating. Therefore, the arbitrage started to narrow, impacting the normal Arbitrage Economics. During January, 6 newbuilding or 29% of the expected deliveries in 2024 We delivered, creating a sudden increase in the vessel supply for the 1st calendar quarter of 20 Congestion in the Panama Canal declined significantly and rapid this month. Contributing factors include the rerouting of VLGCs via Cape, lighter container vessel traffic and increased rainfall in the Panama Canal. In Italy, this unfortunately will create a Temporal oversupply in both the U.

Speaker 3

S. Gulf and Far East ports putting pressure on the rates as we've seen during this quarter, which should normalize as vessel supply is absorbed. Our freight market can be volatile and is subject to a wide range of factors That may influence short term freight rates, but we also have a number of strong cyclical and it's really a factor in our favor. A warmer spring climate in North America will contribute to more LPG supply at more favorable prices. The anticipation going forward is therefore more widening east the west to east Ape.

Speaker 3

We expect only 15 remaining newbuildings to deliver this year. Compared to the Fortitude that were successfully of last year, we expect the newbuildings deliveries to be absorbed based on the forecasted increase in exports. We continue to see LPG take market share from other fuel sources. And in 2024, significant growth in propane dehydration and steam cracking plants are particularly in Asia. The Panama Canal congestion issues are far from solved.

Speaker 3

The daily transit numbers are still 10 transits less per day than in July 23, and it's only expected to revert to the normal levels during the summer. Rerouting of VLGCs and other segments back towards the Panama Canal will again increase the congestion. And in addition to the Via Te Senio buildings, there is expected delivery of 73 LNG and 109 Neo Panamax container ships in 2024. This will increase the demand for passage of the Canal and we also expect congestion to return and to be the known rather than the exception in the canal. Lauterin, we have SUEZ and KA for severe disease thus is expected to become more pronounced in 2024 due to the uncertainties of forecasting the Panama Canal transits and costs.

Speaker 3

Thus, we do remain positive on the medium to long term prospects for our business, while acknowledging that short term volatility is ever present. With that, I'll pass you over to Mr. John LeCouris.

Speaker 4

Thank you very much, Tim. At Dorian LPG, we firmly believe that we should be part of and provide long term solutions to the world's decarbonization objectives and goals. Our investment in scrubbers continues to derive strong returns. Our average daily net savings over the quarter on our scrubber vessels stood at about 3,000 per day, dollars 3,000 per day or about $3,400,000 for the quarter. Fuel differentials between high sulfur and low self procure oil averaged about $202 in the last quarter of 2023.

Speaker 4

The pricing differential of the LPG as fuel versus fuel oil, low sulfur fuel oil stood at about 1 $183 per metric ton, which was helpful to fuel fuel engine vessels when operating with LPG. We now have a total of 14 scrubber fitted vessels and 1 chartered in vessel, And we plan to retrofit another vessel with a scrubber unit in the Q2 of 2024. The installations of energy saving devices and the silicon hull coatings to our vessels have provided significant performance improvements in fuel savings, reduction of the fleet CO2 emissions and improved CII ratings. Besides our vessel Captain John NP, which was originally built as a VLGC VLAC

Speaker 5

As are

Speaker 4

now called, we are upgrading some of our vessels to carry ammonia as it is quite feasible for a good portion of the work fleet to carry out such upgrades. The EU emissions trading system that came into effect in January 1, 2024 is applicable to all ships calling at EU ports. Shipping companies will surrender their year 2024 EU allowances latest by September 2025 and every year thereafter, and it will reflect the CO2 emissions while their vessels were trading in EU waters. In line with end user pays principle, the cost of complying with the EU ETF is passed by the owner to the time charter, who is ultimately responsible for the purchase and transfer of the monthly EU allowances to the owner's account. For spot voyages, we expect the EU allowances to be added to the freight invoice in line with the end users' pays rule.

Speaker 4

In continuation of Dorian's commitment to and improving the company greenhouse gas profile. We have recently invested into companies to seek solutions to climate issues from carbon and methane emissions. Ionada is planning to market a compact modular Carbon capture system for small and midsize carbon emitters that will be applicable to many industries, including marine applications. The patented technology claims 30% better efficiency than conventional carbon capture technologies as it works with a large array of hollow fiber contactor membranes of absorbent solution achieving about 90% capture of carbon dioxide in post combustion flue gases. The second is Ambulon, which focuses on the avoidance of methane gas emissions from wasted resources, such as landfill gas, biogas and waste biomass.

Speaker 4

These emissions instead of being rented or burned on-site are converted into high value carbon negative and carbon neutral fuels like bio LNG, bio LPG, green methanol and green ammonia. The modular and scalable technology can be situated at methane emission sites where it can be transformed into high quality syngas and after treatment consolidated and delivered to the energy, marine and aviation industries. Finally, our recent new building contract to build a new VLGC VLAC at Hanwha Ocean Yard in South Korea is in line with our commitment to employ capital where we see commercial and financial opportunities for investment. We believe that the future green hydrogen economy will largely depend on large quantities of ammonia applying the Cs on dedicated vessels. Besides earning good economic returns in such trades, we also firmly believe that we should be part of and provide long term solutions to the world's decarbonization's objectives and goals.

Speaker 4

And now, I would like to pass it over to John Hijapateras for the closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much, John. We're happy to take questions from anyone who cares to ask them, please.

Operator

Thank Thank you. Our first question will be coming from the line of Omar Khad with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Hey, guys. Good morning. Congrats, obviously, on a very strong and I guess record quarter. And Ted, I just wanted to ask if you could repeat maybe the guidance figure you mentioned for the bookings to date.

Speaker 5

Did you say it was 100,000 For 60% of the quarter?

Speaker 1

Yes, that's correct, Omar, in excess of $100,000 and in excess of 60% of the days.

Speaker 5

And that includes the TCs?

Speaker 1

That includes the pool TCs.

Speaker 5

Okay. All right. Thank you. And then Just wanted to ask maybe and I know Tim you touched on this, but obviously last year was a very, very strong year for BLGC. You had the big jump in USA Sports, you had the Panama Canal, which really all of that offset the new buildings.

Speaker 5

And as you mentioned, The fleet was fully absorbed in. So far things have corrected over the past few weeks and perhaps look to have maybe overshot to the downside. And especially in relation to where, say, the low point was at this time last year, what do you see as driving the pullback in rates? And When can we start to expect things to turn around?

Speaker 2

Tim, yes. You watched Tim, so I let Tim out. We have the same answer anyway. Yes, yes.

Speaker 3

Yes. So I mean, you're right. We have a lower point now than the drop of last year. And we are kind of seeing these drop always in the Q1 at some point, but This year, it was very quick and dramatic, but also coming from an exceptionally high point. So You would say the stars was aligned in one direction and now they are in the other direction.

Speaker 3

I think that what we see is both an overreaction. And as I mentioned in the end, I think we will see U. S. Inventory is still Very, very high. So even with the cold winter, it would not create the same worries that you have seen before of the U.

Speaker 3

S. Running out of gas. So I think the pricing will align again quickly as soon as The worst cold is over. And also one of the other factors is the Panama Canal, which We see every year that after the festive seasons in the U. S, the number of transits decline in the especially for the container business that they are less busy passing in January and up to the Chinese holiday.

Speaker 3

So we see also that situation as a temporarily blip, and we think that it will return CO2 being congestions being the norm rather than the exceptions. And as John mentioned, more newbuildings on LNG and containers. So we see this coming, and we still see the transits are still way lower than it was Last year, the number of transits available and if you think that the new canal today only takes around 7 a day Transit. So if you add 100 and 170 some ships, Well, if you have the VLGCs 100 and almost 200 ships more for that, that can use a canal next year And mainly of them is that is the main trade route and we see these congestions coming So I think to your question, when will we see a return?

Speaker 2

We think

Speaker 3

pretty soon within this quarter we will see this align because I think it's been overshot on the downward side. So we do see these things correcting themselves. But we're coming into the holidays In China soon, so that always put a little bit of a damp on the market. And also There are some cargoes unsold under the water also, Iranian tons that seems to be a problem To clear, so it could take a little while before we see the bounce back. But still within this quarter, we do expect this to crack up.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tim. Thanks. Thanks. I would just add that we can never really tell which quarter it's going to happen. We can give you What we think is guidance over an average for the rest of the year or whatever, but Hopefully, the market will react.

Speaker 2

And the question is when it bounces, how well it bounces. So, as I said, I think before, when the market starts falling, they kind of forget where to stop. So I think we're going to hit on quickly and then bounce back. Omar, there you go. Maybe you go.

Speaker 2

John. You were looking for a target.

Speaker 5

Yes. No, that's very helpful. And that makes John, what you just said and obviously Tim, very good color. Appreciate you kind of going into detail there. I did just a couple more for me and I'll turn it over.

Speaker 5

Maybe just first, sorry, next question is just on the Red Sea. Clearly, it's been very, very topical and front and center really over the past few weeks. How would you size up the impact of what's going on in the Red Sea with the diversions? How do you size up that impact on the VLGC trade, stay in comparison to what we've been seeing or had seen in the Panama Canal last year?

Speaker 2

It's not so obvious, Omar, because the trade through the canal through the Suez Canal was almost kind of caused by the congestion through in Panama. Also the so the Suez Canal itself, I'm not sure. The Red Sea trade The main VLGC trade out of the Red Sea is out of Jordan. And in Jordan sorry, not out of Jordan, out of Saudi Arabia, Yanbu and Jordan has absorbed some of the cargoes that would otherwise have gone east from Yanbu. And that has displaced some cargoes that would have come from the state.

Speaker 2

So that is a negative on the ton mile. On the other hand, Saudi could divert the loading of the cargo from Jordan to Rastanura, which probably will happen. So that total number of ships coming out of the Red Sea was I think, 4 to 5 a month out of Yanbu, representing about 30% of the exports from Saudi Arabia. So it's not it's Because we're in a flux, I don't think it's easy to kind of predict what the eventual impact of The hostilities in that region will be.

Speaker 5

Got it. No, that's

Speaker 2

It is value that I don't know.

Speaker 5

Well, I appreciate you attempting to or at least summarizing all that because that's helpful context as well. Thanks, John. And then maybe just final one for me, just on the new building and just kind of thinking about, John LaPruestra comments about Outfitting the existing fleet to carry ammonia. I guess just one, the question on that would be, what does the cost look like to upgrade for ammonia? And then also in terms of the new building, is there a price difference in ordering a VLAC versus a VLGC?

Speaker 5

And maybe just I guess the multiple questions, but what's the difference between the VLAC and the VLGC, I guess going forward?

Speaker 4

Yes. Hi, Mark. It is a cost that over a number of ships is going to be quite low, But we are doing we have been looking into this for some years now, and we think that it is significantly less than $5,000,000 and probably even lower than that when it is amortized over a number of ships. So it is something that is, let's say, it takes time, But it is not a significant cost to carry out those conversions.

Speaker 2

Omar, we're mindful of that because as it applies to our not all our ships, but some of our ships, it also applies a good number of the world fleet. So, people we shouldn't get too carried away with new building dedicated Ammonia carriers, one of the good part of the fleet, the existing fleet of VLGCs could be, maybe less efficient than a new ship, but they could still carry ammonia with some modifications and upgrades.

Speaker 5

Understood. Okay. Well, thank you. I appreciate the time. I'll turn it over.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Austin Wogan with Family Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Speaker 6

Hey guys. Just a quick question from me. As you just Your rates have been quite high over the last couple of months, and this winter are astonishingly high. But You booked $91,000 roughly on the spot and pool for the Q4. But again, that's not really up at the highest as we saw spot rates go to $140,000,000 Now you're talking about the $100,000 Which I guess makes sense as ship owners take some coverage on the way up.

Speaker 6

But my question is now We spot rate indices now below cash breakeven levels and close to OpEx. What kind of levels are you fixing up today? Does it work differently on the way down as well?

Speaker 1

Well, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, just to be clear, The results that we mentioned going forward, there is a measure of time charterships in there, which are lower. The spot market rates that are booked in that forward number are they're very attractive. And as for current fixing, look, that's pretty commercially sensitive information. We as a general matter don't really comment on it.

Speaker 1

But Tim wants to give a little bit more he may, but I'd say in general when we've talked when he's described his strategy to us, Look, our guys have been proven to be pretty good at figuring out when cargoes are going to be available and how many ships are going to be available to meet the lake in and kind of flexing our planning around that. Tim, if you want to add anything to that, feel free or not.

Speaker 3

Yes. You can say that the drop was pretty Quick. So only things that has been fixed was kind of like what was in the front. So as you say, you take a couple on the way down, but Actually, we had fixed pretty far forward already. So we didn't have much to fix in the fixing window when market dropped.

Speaker 3

So most of our positions comes only available more than a month ahead from now. So as the market has been dropping, then people doesn't fix that far ahead. So we're not really that much in the fixing window yet. So we'll see if it turns around before we get there, but yes.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Okay. And just to add on, are you fixing window now in the market in general? Is that early March now? Or where are we now?

Speaker 2

Sorry, but we don't want to go too much into That's what the market mechanics.

Speaker 1

It's commercially sensitive. Yes.

Speaker 2

Okay. Understood. Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks,

Operator

session. I'll now turn the call over to John Hadjipateras for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Rob. Thank you for your questions. My are too valued questioners. And have a good quarter. Happy February and See you next time.

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