Diebold Nixdorf Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 14, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the Q4 2023 Diebold Nixdorf Earnings Call. My name is Alex. I'll be coordinating the call today. I'll now hand it over to your host, Christopher Sikora to begin. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Hello, everyone, and welcome to our Q4 and full year 2023 earnings call. To accompany our prepared remarks, we have posted our slide presentation to the Investor Relations section of our corporate website. Before we begin, I will remind all participants that during this call, you will hear forward looking statements. These statements reflect the expectations and beliefs of our management team at the time of this call, but they are subject to risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. Additional information on these factors can be found in the company's periodic and annual filings with the SEC.

Speaker 1

Participants should be mindful that subsequent events may render this information to be out of date. We will also be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures on today's call. As noted on Slide 3, A reconciliation between GAAP and non GAAP measures can be found in the supplemental schedules of the presentation. With that, I'll turn the call over to Octavio.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Chris, and thank you all for joining us. To get things started today, I wanted to give our Chair, Pat Byrne, another opportunity to share some opening remarks. Pat and the broader Board have been in place for about 4 months now. We have spent that time working closely together to establish our governance framework and align around longer term objectives for the company. So today, I thought it would again be appropriate for Pat to kick us off with some of his early takeaways working with Diebold Nixdorf.

Speaker 2

Afterwards, Jim and I will walk you through our quarterly results. Pat, over to you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Octavio. I'll just make a few comments to provide an update on the Board progress and give you a sense of our excitement for the future of Diebold. We've been working together as a new Board of Directors for several months now and are making very good progress as we completed fiscal year 2023 and set priorities and objectives for fiscal 2024. We're also building strong governance and Board oversight, And the Board and management team are working well together focused on running the company towards consistent and improving operating results, while also building a flywheel that leads to accelerating profitable growth, margin expansion and free cash flow conversion. Octavio and his team are entering 2024 with real momentum and with clear priorities on both operations and multi year transformation agenda.

Speaker 3

As I mentioned last quarter, we believe that the deep old market position in both banking and retail built on strong customer relationships and innovative technology puts us in a strong position to win in the marketplace going forward. We're confident in our 2024 guidance and the long term outlook for the company. We intend to share our views of the market, the Diebold opportunities and our long term plans and targets in a 2024 Investor Day. We're currently planning on doing this Investor Day in the middle of the year and we'll keep you updated on our plans. We're excited about the future of Diebold and working closely with Octavio and his team to drive long term shareholder value.

Speaker 3

Now I'll turn it over to Octavio and to Jim.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Pat. We appreciate you being with us and sharing your thoughts today. We're looking forward to continue working with you and the Board on the journey ahead. So now starting on Slide 4, we have highlighted 4 areas that summarize our positive results in the 4th quarter. First, we continue winning in the market with our leading self-service and automation technology.

Speaker 2

Our based refresh activity as customers are increasingly replacing legacy solutions with our new technology. Demand remains high for our ATM cash recycling and retail self checkout solutions, which are also establishing recurring service revenue and additional software business with a high attach rate. We remain focused on driving innovation that our customers need. The team introduced our AI powered, Vynamic SmartVision shrink reduction solution as we build on our retail self checkout technology deployed in the market. This solution Addresses shrink related challenges in retail using AI and computer vision technology to reduce loss during checkout.

Speaker 2

On the banking side, our teller cash recycler has started shipping in North America. DN's in branch cash recycling solution supports end to end automation across the entire cash ecosystem at the branch from ATMs to the teller line. We continue to view branch automation as a meaningful growth opportunity. With over 70,000 bank branches in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Alone And the consistent drive by banks to reduce operating expenses, we know this offering meets the needs of our customers. Once again, we had another quarter of strong performance as our team remained focused on customers and continue to improve our operational execution. The team can be proud that in each quarter of 2023, We grew revenue and profitability on a year over year basis. Our improved operational execution helped us meet expectations for the year and position us well moving into 2024. Lastly, we achieved another milestone by paying down $200,000,000 of our higher cost term loan and securing a new revolving credit facility.

Speaker 2

This will provide us with the flexibility we need to manage the seasonality of our business at a lower cost. In addition, We were able to do this because we generated 4th quarter free cash flow of $150,000,000 and ended the year with more than $600,000,000 in cash and short term investments on our balance sheet. Turning to Slide 5. I want to highlight regional trends. We operate a balanced global business and each of our regions contributed to revenue growth in In North America, we continue to see strong adoption of cash recycling technology driving our banking business as well as more retail wins with our self checkout solution in the quick service restaurant space.

Speaker 2

We see additional runway for both these offerings in North America and expect it to be a significant part of our growth story going forward. Additionally, we continue to focus on customer service and quality with higher investment in our service business. In Latin America, cash usage remains strong, supporting demand for both our DN Series cash dispensers and cash recyclers. Growth in Latin America service revenue was a bright spot in 2023 as we continue benefiting from a growing installed base in the region. In Europe, we continue to see an overall stable market for banking.

Speaker 2

In retail, most of our self Checkout shipments represent new placements in the market. This has helped grow our installed base and supports our recurring service business. In Asia Pacific, Middle East and Africa, we are seeing broad growth with our products across the entire region with strength in the Middle East and Africa. We also ended the year on a strong note in India as we delivered about 5,000 units in country after reentering that market with local manufacturing presence in 2023. Now to our full year financial performance on Slide 6, throughout the year, we delivered significantly improved performance by profitably growing revenue, expanding gross margins and driving cost discipline.

Speaker 2

This focus is clearly evident in our performance with total revenue up 9%, Gross margin expansion of 160 basis points and operating expenses down 2% compared to prior year, resulting in operating profit growing approximately 75%. Full year adjusted EBITDA of 401,000,000 is up 43% compared to prior year and adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 300 basis points to 10.7%. We finished the year in line with our expectations and at the high end of our previously communicated outlook range. While I am pleased with our 2023 performance, which demonstrates that we are taking the right steps, we know that we can build upon this and further improve in 2024. With that, I will hand the call over to Jim.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Octavio. Starting on Slide 7, the Q4 was another period of continued improvement that was in line with our expectations. Revenue and profitability were up significantly both sequentially and compared to the prior year. The higher revenue with gross margin expansion is flowing through to the bottom line, resulting in strong year over year growth in operating profit and adjusted EBITDA. Revenue of $1,040,000,000 increased 7.6% and gross margin expanded 3 40 basis points year over year.

Speaker 4

Strong product performance was primary driver behind the gross margin expansion as we continue to drive benefit from our improved supply chain and pricing discipline. Q4 2023 operating expense was up compared to the prior year period. However, note that the prior year period included a non recurring that reduced variable compensation. If not for that adjustment, operating expenses would have been flat year over year. Looking at free cash flow, please note in the prior year period product deferred revenue was elevated relative to historical levels and has now been normalized.

Speaker 4

Q4 2023 free cash flow of $150,000,000 was up $66,000,000 year over year driven by favorable EBITDA performance, better working capital efficiency and meaningfully lower interest. Turning to Slide 8, banking revenue of $750,000,000 was up approximately 9% versus the prior year period, driven by product revenue growth of 19%. Approximately half of the growth came from higher volume with the other half driven primarily by pricing and mix with a small currency benefit. We continue to have consistent demand for our DN Series offering And improved supply chain and logistics conditions have enabled us to deliver on this demand. Service revenue was up approximately 1% versus the prior year, driven by higher product installation revenue.

Speaker 4

As a reminder, ATM deliveries across the industry mostly represent replacement units in the market. So the high product installation activity we saw in the quarter should lead to a stable installed base going forward. Banking gross profit in the 4th quarter increased by $46,000,000 year over year to $202,000,000 This resulted in banking gross margin of 27% in the quarter, which is up 430 basis points year over year. Significant gross margin expansion was due to the continuation of price increase realization, greater input cost control and higher production volume in the quarter. Moving to Slide 9, Retail revenue of $288,000,000 was up 4.5% versus the prior year as we continue to see strong service activity with new placements of self-service units driving higher contract revenue.

Speaker 4

Solid growth in scope product revenue was by lower ePOS revenue as retailers continue to transition towards higher value self checkout solutions. Retail gross profit in the 4th quarter increased year over year to $74,000,000 This resulted in retail gross margin of 25.6% in the quarter, which is up 100 basis points compared to the prior year driven mostly by product gross margin expansion from a favorable mix of higher SCO units. On Slide 10, this is a more complete view of the changes in our cash position over the last five quarters that we wanted to share today, which is aligned to how we manage the business. In the past, we have had significant quarterly volatility in our free cash flow. Aside from the impacts related to the financial restructuring in 2023, these swings have historically been driven by a number of factors, including seasonality in our earnings, a working capital cycle that historically resulted in significant cash use through the 1st 3 quarters of the year and payments related to restructuring and transformation efforts.

Speaker 4

We believe that exiting 2023, We are now in a better position to more efficiently manage free cash flow and purge some of the historical volatility that has been present in our through improved commercial and operating rigor. Going forward, we will deliver meaningfully better free cash flow conversion As we manage working capital more efficiently, lower cash interest payments and manage cash spent on restructuring and transformation initiatives with a strong focus on returns. As Octavio mentioned in his opening, we paid down $200,000,000 on our term loan and secured a revolving credit facility, which should result in approximately $15,000,000 of savings in annual net interest. This is just the beginning of the improvements we expect to realize as we believe we have many opportunities ahead of us to show continuous improvement. Again, free cash flow was a source of $150,000,000 in the quarter, which is up $66,000,000 compared to the prior year period.

Speaker 4

And it is our expectation in each quarter of 2024 to show year over year improvement in free cash flow. On Slide 11, turning to our outlook for 2024. We expect to profitably grow revenue in the low single digit range. We consider this to be a more normalized revenue growth rate for the company going forward and we feel good about hitting this target due to our backlog visibility and recurring nature of service and software revenue. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be in a range of $410,000,000 to $435,000,000 which is benefiting from continued gross margin expansion and disciplined operating expense control.

Speaker 4

Looking at the quarterly cadence for the year, We expect the split between the first half of the year and second half of the year to be approximately 40% versus 60%, which reflects an initial improvement in our efforts to more linearize the year compared to 2023. Lastly, The outlook contemplates free cash flow conversion of greater than 25%. As I mentioned, we plan to execute on working capital improvements And we'll continue to opportunistically lower debt costs, all while growing EBITDA and expanding margin to generate higher free cash flow conversion. To close my remarks, we are entering 2024 with improved operating momentum and are well positioned as we work to deliver on our outlook. Now I will turn the call back to Octavio.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jim. Wrapping things up on Slide 12. Let me walk you through an early view of our continuous improvement journey. It all starts with our people, We make Diebold Nixdorf a great company. We are taking a fresh perspective with several initiatives planned To reinforce that we're a people first organization, we will empower our teams to drive continuous improvement Through trust, transparency and a shared commitment to excellence, the company strives to attract, develop and retain exceptional people.

Speaker 2

As a result, a strong team will deliver profitable revenue growth, winning new customers and increasing wallet share through crisp commercial execution. In addition, we will accelerate growth through focused innovation for our customers by executing on our R and D pipeline to maintain our technology leadership. We will continue expanding margin while exceeding customer expectations. Accelerating the adoption of remote diagnostic and resolution, Simplifying our product set to reduce component cost and complexity and implementing an industry leading operating expense profile will drive improved profitability. Finally, we will execute on the levers that Jim outlined earlier to improve free cash flow conversion.

Speaker 2

Improving quarterly linearity will continue to be an area of focus. These four components Help us build the flywheel for our growth and continuous improvement and will help us better visualize and achieve our longer term objectives. As we conclude our prepared remarks, I am excited about the future of Diebold Nixdorf as we start our continuous improvement journey. I look forward to sharing more with you throughout the year as we achieve this objective. Lastly, I wish to thank our customers for their ongoing support.

Speaker 2

We are committed to providing best in class solutions to help achieve positive business outcomes. And I remain incredibly proud of our Diebold Nixdorf employees around the world. Our team continues to focus on what is the most important, our customers, all while improving operational execution. And with that operator, please open the call for Jim and me to take questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question for today comes from Matt Summerville of D. A. Davidson. The line is now open.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Excuse me. A couple of questions. You talked a little bit about product gross margins in the prepared remarks. I'm curious a couple of things.

Speaker 5

To that absolute level, that 25.5 realizing their seasonality to the business, how sustainable is that relative trend in improvement, is there still incremental price capture to be had? Is your Driving down, I would expect driving down backlog over the course of the year. And then you didn't address services gross margins, Those headed in the wrong direction. So talk a bit about that and then I have a follow-up. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Matt. So let me start with product. So we continue to see very strong demand for both Our DN Series recyclers, our DN Series self checkout solutions. So we're I think that that's the good news. Technology is being adopted by customers.

Speaker 2

Customers like the product set and they continue investing in it. You're right, there's a level of seasonality in our business. So you might see slight variations in our gross margin quarter over quarter. But I would tell you that our intention is to keep the trend that we've been on, which is continue improving our overall gross margins. Even though we made significant progress in our supply chain and our efficiency, we're just at the beginning of our journey.

Speaker 2

I'm super excited as we announced a few weeks ago, we've hired a new operating excellence leader for the company, Frank Bauer, who will Help us in this journey and continue accelerating the improvement in all our operations, and that leads me to service. Our service business, and this is very important to me, is a people driven business. So we need to make sure that we're delivering the highest quality for our customers and that we're creating an environment where all our people can thrive and be successful. So in Q4 and as we manage the portfolio of hardware, where service is creating the solutions that we have. We've invested heavily in our service infrastructure, particularly in North America.

Speaker 2

So we're battling some of the secular trends around the difficulty of hiring people, the difficulty of retaining people. But in this balance, we want to make sure that as we're battling those things, we're keeping the customer at the center of our actions and making sure we delivered excellent service to them. So our goal is we will continue working on improving our service margins. It's clearly an area of opportunity for company, we're all aware of it and we want to do that while we continue to improve our service. So our commitment for the year is to Getting back to our historical service margin levels as the year progresses, but doing that in a way that we continue serving our customers with Exos.

Speaker 5

Thank you for that. And then I just what's your view For the market overall, I know Diebold is not going to disclose units anymore, but if we think about just the global ATM market, The global self checkout market, what do you expect in terms of unit growth roughly in 2024 relative to 2023? And how do you think about Diebold going forward in terms of your ability to reduce Diebold's reliance on hardware cycles? Thank you.

Speaker 2

So let me start with self checkout this time as retail is a very important business for us. So Matt, I think there is no doubt that consumer preferences keep shifting and the ability to offer options at self checkout, Whether it's assisted self checkout, self checkout continues to be important. And there's, as I mentioned, new technologies that We keep adding to the self checkout process to make that a frictionless thing, both for our retailers and for the consumers of our retail. So really changing the way people shop and the experience at the self checkout. So we can we see this market to be one of continuous growth.

Speaker 2

There is no whether it's labor, whether it's customer experience, self checkout helps improve that. So we continue to see that market as growing at a Very healthy clip. Remember, we've been traditionally a small provider, even though now we've gained significant share or at least that's what we believe will happen when the analysts report these things. Remember, as I mentioned in our remarks, every self checkout that we Deploy is basically a new placement for us or has been for the past year. So we're growing and gaining that market and we see that market as continuing to expand.

Speaker 2

On the banking side, And again, that's why I tried I know you like this question around the markets. That's why I tried to add us the regional color now. It's a varied business. There's clearly mature markets that are growing at a slower rate. There's some markets that are growing at a faster rate.

Speaker 2

I would say overall, I would characterize the market as one that is stable and growing a couple of percentage points 1 year, higher value products like recyclers that provide significant value for customers. And what's also important is that we view That when you think of the cash ecosystem at the branch level, you can't only just think about the ATM. You need to think about the teller line. As banks think of a different way to serve customers, it's all about this cash ecosystem in the branch. And we've now entered with our teller cash recycler into this market.

Speaker 2

So that should help us accelerate a little bit of the growth that we that Probably a flattish ATM market will provide in the coming years. So that's kind of the view on the market. What are we doing to Again, I don't think we have undue reliance on hardware services or software. We have a solution set that basically gets bought in conjunction by customers. So no customer wants an ATM or they want an ATM, they want the service associated with that.

Speaker 2

They want the software associated with that. So clearly, as we package these components together, we will allow customers to either buy the components individually, buy them in a predefined solution for them or buy them as a service. We keep growing as well in our managed services business, allowing customers to outsource important parts of their operation to us. So As we provide customers this flexibility of choice, we see that some of them might opt to move to more of an outsource model, while others will might remain committed to them running their own operations as they drive significant value from our technology. So I would say that we're optimistic that we will have for that by providing customer choice, We can continue driving growth in our business.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Octavio.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Matt Bryson of Wedbush Securities. Matt, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks for letting me ask the question. The 40% -0.60 percent split in terms of free cash flow, and if you can give us Kind of a similar split or a way to think about how revenues might progress through 2024?

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Matt. What I would say is that The relative split on that on revenue is going to roughly align. I think that as we think about That cadence, right, they're roughly going to fall in line with each other. So I wouldn't expect for there to be a material deviation in terms of How we think about revenue and then it's kind of its flow through to EBITDA and then to free cash flow.

Speaker 4

So again, not precise numbers, right, given the fact that we're not giving quarterly guidance, but I would think about those as being Fairly well correlated.

Speaker 6

Got it. And if revenues don't so much or product shipments don't dip so much. Can we expect that the benefit on the gross margin line from having higher volumes continues Kind of throughout the course of 2024 or is there something of a dip in the first half As revenues are a little bit higher or a little bit lower and then it picks back up in the back half?

Speaker 4

Are you talking about are you talking about product gross margins? Just to make sure that I understand the product

Speaker 6

gross margins on the ATM side in particular.

Speaker 4

Yes, I wouldn't expect for there to be a dip in the first half as you laid out. I think that As Octavio just said, right, there's certainly seasonality when we think about what the Q4 yielded on the product gross margin side. But As we move into 2024, when we think about the quarters in 2023, we would expect for there to be improvement on a quarterly basis And for us to be in, call it, the low 20s on a fairly consistent basis. So no, we did not expect

Operator

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 6

Okay. And I guess just staying on that theme, I mean, when I think about those product gross margins, I think at one point there had been the hope that with the DN Now series, there'd be a bit of an expansion from here. Is there a longer term goal that you can talk about there or that you've talked about there?

Speaker 2

So I'll take that one, Matt. So what you'll see us talking about is this continuous improvement mindset that we're implementing in our company. So Where we are today is not the end goal that we have. Our goal is to continuously improve revenues, margin and free cash So we're trying to create this flywheel effect in our company where you constantly see us do it taking small incremental steps, but accelerating our progression. So as Pat mentioned in his opening comments, we will have an Investor Day later in this first half of the year where we will highlight those longer term goals.

Speaker 2

But again, the idea is, We're at the beginning of the journey, not at the end of the journey. So from here on, you should expect us to continuously improve.

Speaker 6

And I guess the last one for me, Octavio, is obviously an impressive Q4 and relatively robust guide for 2024. I think when we enter 2023 backlog covered the year for 2024, you're talking about backlog covering about 3 quarters of the year. So you guys having very good visibility. But at the same time, can you kind of do you have confidence that as backlog works down that you're able to maintain revenues at current levels and there's not a dip once you work through backlog. I know that'd be like 2025, 2026, but just talk to where backlog is today and kind

Speaker 2

of how you look at that moving forward? Sure, Matt. So probably the easiest answer is yes. I am confident that revenues will not dip as we accelerate backlog conversion. We still see a strong demand environment for all our products.

Speaker 2

So revenue for the as you said, 3 quarters of the rev Product revenue is covered by backlog. Again, different regions have different rates of acceleration in orders, But we feel confident in the plan that we put forward. And remember, one of our goals is also to normalize our backlog, which also creates benefits in some of our working capital, inventory planning, collections. So the goal that I've Stated for quite some time now and we're starting to get closer to that is to have 2 to 2.5 quarters of revenues in backlog at any given time. So when you think that we ended the year with $1,150,000,000 1 $200,000,000 of backlog.

Speaker 2

We still could probably normalize or reduce backlog as we accelerate revenue a little bit, But then keep it consistent at that level. So we're confident on how that's going to play out through the year.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we currently have no further questions. I'll hand back to Chris Sikora for any further remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you again for participating in today's call. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me in Investor Relations and have a good rest of your day. Thanks.

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