ICON Public Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 22, 2024

There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the ICON Q4 and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Kate Haven.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good day, and thank you for joining us on this call covering the quarter full year ended December 31, 2023. Also on the call today, we have our CEO, Doctor. Steve Cutler and our CFO, Mr. Brennan Brennan. I would like to note that this call is webcast and that there are slides available to download on our website to accompany today's call.

Speaker 1

Certain statements in today's call will be forward looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and information currently available, including current economic and industry conditions. Actual results may differ materially from those stated or implied by forward looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with the company's business and listeners are cautioned that forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance. Forward looking statements are only as of the date they are made, and we do not undertake any obligation to update publicly any forward looking statement, either as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. More information about the risks and uncertainties relating to these forward looking statements may be found in SEC reports filed by the company, including the Form 20 F filed on February 24, 2023.

Speaker 1

This presentation includes selected non GAAP financial measures, which Steve and Brendan will be referencing in their prepared remarks. For a presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, please refer to the press release section titled Condensed Consolidated Statements of Operations. While non GAAP financial measures are not superior to or a substitute for the comparable GAAP measures, we believe certain non GAAP information is more useful to investors for historical comparison purposes. Included in the press release and the earnings slides, you will note a reconciliation of non GAAP measures. Adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and adjusted diluted earnings per share exclude stock compensation expense, restructuring costs, foreign currency gains and losses, amortization and transaction related and integration related costs and their respective tax benefits.

Speaker 1

We will be limiting the call today to 1 hour and would therefore ask participants to keep their questions to 1 each with an opportunity for a brief follow-up. I would now like to hand the call over to our CEO, Doctor. Steve Cutler.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kate, and good day, everyone. ICON delivered strong results in quarter 4 and for the full year 2023 as our team successfully navigated a dynamic environment impacted by several macroeconomic and geopolitical challenges. Through consistent operational delivery, increased scale and our comprehensive suite of solutions, we were successful in securing new partnerships and expanding existing relationships across our customer segments and with the world's top 20 pharma companies in particular. Overall, we continue to experience positive demand trends in our industry. In the Q4, we did see some volatility in RFP activity across customer segments as small biotech was somewhat muted towards the end of the year with some companies continuing to be deliberate with their overall development spend decisions.

Speaker 2

With that said, we are encouraged by the improving sentiment among customers in quarter 1 as well as underlying trends from a funding perspective that suggests a stabilizing market as we've entered 2024. Within the large pharma segment, we continue to see a strong level of opportunities anchored by the strength of our new and existing strategic partnerships. In totality, across all segments, our overall trailing 12 month RFP activity increased in the high single digits in quarter 4 consistent with quarter 3. And this appears to be continuing or even accelerating early in 2024. Given this backdrop and in line with our previous comments, we expect book to bill to be in the range of 1.2 times to 1.3 times on a quarterly basis in 2024 with an overall target of 1.25 times for the full year 2024.

Speaker 2

In quarter 4, net bookings increased 8% on a year over year basis, driving 10% growth in total backlog over quarter 4, 2022. We saw continued strength in demand across our large pharma segment for both full service and FSP solutions as well as excellent performance from our laboratory services business. Our innovative and scale offerings are resonating well with customers and strongly positions ICON for further traction in new and existing customer accounts. To this end, in quarter 4, we were awarded a new full service strategic partnership with a top 20 pharma customer, creating significant new business potential in Phase 1 to 4 studies across a number of therapeutic areas in their portfolio. Our depth of experience in long standing and transformational large pharma partnerships was one of the key criteria for selecting ICON, as well as our collaborative approach in achieving meaningful efficiencies in their development programs.

Speaker 2

In reflecting back on the numerous accomplishments across our organization in 2023, there are several in particular that highlight our commitment to operational excellence. Our efforts in driving forward our ambitious automation agenda resulted in the achievement of greater than 2,000,000 hours of automated activity in 2023 across a number of functions and processes. We have set another goal for automation in 2024, driving to deliver significant further improvement in areas such as critical study startup activities, further automation of our back office activities as well as processes such as data ingestion and review with a target of 3,500,000 hours for the full year. At the time of the acquisition of PRA Health Sciences in July 2021, we set ambitious targets for both synergy realization and total debt pay down. The following 2 year period was characterized by unexpected macroeconomic pressures and challenges in our market.

Speaker 2

Despite this dynamic, we remain consistent in our planned actions and we're able to accelerate both the full cost synergy realization as well as our target leverage ratio ahead of our initial timelines as we closed out 2023. This was all possible, of course, through the efforts of our over 41,000 employees across the world who have worked tirelessly to progress our customers' projects, many of whom have been recognized with prestigious industry awards for their efforts. Turning to review our financial performance in the quarter. ICON delivered a strong set of financial results with revenue growth of 5.3 percent over quarter 4, 2022. Direct fee revenue growth continues to be robust and within the high single digit on a year over year basis, while pass through revenue was slightly below our expectations due to the wind down of COVID related trials in the quarter.

Speaker 2

With strong direct fee revenue growth and lower than expected pass through revenue, we saw a notable uptick in gross margin on a sequential and year over year basis, resulting in a 30.4% margin for quarter 4. On this note, we do anticipate returning to a more normalized gross margin profile of approximately 30% for the full year 2024. On another positive note, ICON again delivered substantial growth on adjusted EBITDA in quarter 4 as SG and A expense was essentially flat on a sequential basis, resulting in a margin of 21.7 percent, well ahead of the midterm target we set back in early 2022. Given the revenue mix shift in quarter 4, our full year 2023 adjusted EBITDA margin of 20.9 percent was stronger than anticipated, an impressive 180 basis point growth in adjusted EBITDA margin in 2023 on a year over year basis. We expect an adjusted EBITDA margin expansion of circa 50 basis points on a full year basis in 2024.

Speaker 2

We continue to successfully execute our capital deployment strategy in the 4th quarter, closing the previously announced acquisition of Phillips Pharma Solutions in October. While this transaction is a small contributor to ICON's overall revenue, it supplements our current medical imaging capability and adds cardiac safety solutions to our service offering, providing our customers with a more integrated service. In addition, earlier this year, we closed the acquisition of Human First, a cloud based technology company focused on accelerating and improving digital health technology selection in clinical trials. The addition of HumanFirst will position us to become the industry leader in integrated clinical outcome assessment solutions, allowing customers to make evidence based decisions to reduce patient burden and enhance data product. Separately, we have a number of capital projects that are in development to bring additional efficiency to critical trial pain points and ultimately deliver more value to our customers.

Speaker 2

We are well underway in developing a comprehensive planning and oversight capability for site selection and activation that is coupled with improved resource forecasting, designed to deliver enhanced patient recruitment timelines. In addition, we continue to progress our investments in AI and automation. One example is the development of our Firecrest site and investigator database designed to provide in-depth insights to address industry challenges such as investigator and site activity and their overall performance. We were very pleased with the upgraded credit rating we received from Moody's in December. ICON's 2nd upgrade to investment grade rating in the 4th quarter following the S and P Global ratings upgrade in October.

Speaker 2

This important milestone allows us the ability to refinance our variable rate debt and move forward toward a more favorable capital structure that will give us more flexibility from a capital deployment perspective, particularly in the second half of twenty twenty four. We have a definitive plan that has been approved by our Board and will be executed in the first half of this year, allowing us to achieve the targeted total interest expense reduction of approximately $100,000,000 on a year over year basis from 2023. In line with our strategy, M and A remains the priority as the optimal way to deliver shareholder value and we fully intend to utilize the strength of our balance sheet to acquire companies that complement our current services and add to our ability to deliver faster and more efficiently for customers. However, we have also secured approval to opportunistically spend up to $500,000,000 on share repurchases over the next 12 months. Given the positive trajectory from our performance in quarter 4 and current market conditions in the start of this year, we are reaffirming the full year 2024 financial guidance we issued in January.

Speaker 2

We expect revenue to be in the range of $8,400,000,000 to 8.8 $1,000,000,000 an increase of 3.4% to 8.4% over full year 2023. Additionally, we expect adjusted earnings per share to be in the range of $14.50 to $15.30 representing an increase of 13.4% to 19.6% over the full year 2023. I'll now turn it over to Brendan for further details on the financial results. Brendan?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Steve. In quarter 4, ICON achieved gross wins of $2,990,000,000 and recorded $461,000,000 worth of cancellations. This resulted in a solid level of net awards in the quarter of $2,530,000,000 and a net book to bill of 1.22 times. Full year 2023 gross business wins were $11,770,000,000 and cancellations were $1,820,000,000 resulting in the net business wins of $9,950,000,000 and also a net book to bill of 1.22 times. With the addition of the new awards in quarter 4, our backlog grew to a record $22,800,000,000 representing an increase of 2.4% on quarter 3 of 2023 or an increase of 10% year over year.

Speaker 3

Our backlog burn was 9.3% in the quarter, slightly down from quarter 3 levels. Revenue in quarter 4 was $2,066,000,000 This represented a year on year increase of 5.3 percent or 4.1 percent on a constant currency basis. Full year revenue was $8,120,000,000 This represented a year on year increase of 4.9% or 4.6% on a constant currency basis. Overall, customer concentration in our top 25 customers increased from quarter 3, 2023. Our top customer represented 9.5% of total revenue in quarter 4.

Speaker 3

Our top 5 customers represented 27.5 percent, our top 10 represented 43.8%, while our top 25 represented 66.8%. In the full year 2023, our top customer represented 8.9% of revenue, our top 5 customers represented 26.8% of revenue, our top 10 represented 41.4 percent, while our top 25 represented 62.9%. Gross margin for the quarter was 30.4% compared to 29.8% in quarter 3 2023. Gross margin increased fifty basis points over gross margin of 29.9 percent in quarter 4 2022. Full year 2023 gross margin was 29.9 percent and we anticipate this to be a similar level for the full year 2024.

Speaker 3

Total SG and A expense was $180,200,000 in quarter 4 or 8.7 percent of revenue. So that's essentially flat on prior quarter. In the comparable period last year, total SG and A expense was $182,200,000 or 9.3 percent of revenue. Full year SG and A expense was $732,700,000 or 9 percent of revenue, representing improvement of 80 basis points over full year 2022 and a reduction in spend of $24,700,000 Adjusted EBITDA was $448,200,000 for the quarter or 21.7 percent of revenue. Comparable period last year, adjusted EBITDA was $405,000,000 or 20.6 percent of revenue, representing a year on year increase of 10.7%.

Speaker 3

Sequentially, adjusted EBITDA margin improved 70 basis points of our quarter 3 margin of 21%. Full year 2023 adjusted EBITDA was $1,694,100,000 or 20.9 percent, representing very strong growth of 14.5 percent on a year over year basis. Adjusted operating income for quarter 4 was $414,400,000 a margin of 20.1%. This is an increase of 9.7% over adjusted operating income of $377,700,000 a margin of 19.3% in quarter 4 of 2022. Full year 2023 adjusted operating income was $1,568,000,000 a margin of 19.3%.

Speaker 3

This was an improvement of 14.2 percent on full year 2022. Net interest expense was $75,400,000 for quarter 4. Full year net interest expense totaled $315,300,000 in 2023 compared to $209,600,000 in the full year of 2022. The effective tax rate was 15.2 percent for the quarter. The full year 2023 effective tax rate was 15.5%, down from our full year 2022 effective tax rate of 16.5%.

Speaker 3

Adjusted net income attributable to the group for the quarter was $287,500,000 of margin, up 13.9 percent equated to adjusted earnings per share of 3.46 dollars an increase of 10.5 percent year over year. Full year adjusted net income attributable to the group was $1,000,000,000,000 equating to an adjusted earnings per share of $12.79 an increase of 9% year over year. In the 4th quarter, the company recorded 9,700,000 dollars of transaction and integration related costs. Full year transaction and integration related costs were $44,200,000 and full year restructuring costs were $45,400,000 U. S.

Speaker 3

GAAP income from operations amounted to $265,600,000 or 12.9 percent of revenue during quarter 4. Full year U. S. GAAP income from operations amounted to $956,200,000 or 11.8%. U.

Speaker 3

S. GAAP net income in quarter 4 was $216,400,000 or $2.60 per diluted share compared to $1.42 per share for the equivalent prior year period. Full year U. S. GAAP net income was 6 $112,300,000 or $7.40 per diluted share compared to $505,300,000 or $6.13 per diluted share for the full year 2022.

Speaker 3

Net accounts receivable was $1,080,000,000 at the 30 1st December 2023. This compares with a net accounts receivable balance of $1,129,000,000 at the end of quarter 3, 2023. DSO was 47 days at December 31, 2023, a decrease of 2 days from September 30, 2023. Cash from operating activities in the quarter was $440,100,000 Free cash flow was an excellent in quarter 4 increasing 24% sequentially and achieving our target of circa $1,000,000,000 for the full year. We were very pleased with the diligent efforts from our team in driving a 7 day improvement in DSO over the course of the year.

Speaker 3

This now brings us back in line with our anticipated range based on our current mix of customers and their payment terms. We will continue to stay focused on billing levels and cash collections as we progress through this year. At December 31, 2023, cash and cash equivalents totaled $380,100,000 and debt totaled $3,780,000,000 leaving a net debt position of $3,400,000,000 This compared to a net debt of $3,730,000,000 at September 30, 2023 and net debt of $4,360,000,000 at December 31, 2022. Capital expenditure during the quarter was $52,700,000 From a capital deployment perspective, we made a payment of $250,000,000 in our Term Loan B facility in quarter 4 and at the end of the quarter with a leverage ratio of 2 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA. We made payment on our Term Loan B facility of $950,000,000 in full year 2023.

Speaker 3

As Steve mentioned, we are pleased to receive the upgrades in our credit ratings from both S and P Global Ratings and Moody's in the 4th quarter. With a return to an investment grade rating, we now have the ability to more favorably refinance our debt and in turn free up more capital to deploy opportunistically for M and A as well as potential share repurchase. Our preferred use of capital remains M and A and we have a healthy pipeline of opportunities we are currently engaged on that are focused on adding scale and capability to strategic areas of our portfolio. Finally, our key assumptions behind the full year guidance remain in place an effective tax rate of 16.5%, free cash flow target of circa $1,100,000,000 CapEx spend in the range of $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 and interest expense of circa $200,000,000 to $230,000,000 all for the full year 2024. Before we move to Q and A, we want to commend the dedicated employees of Icon for their efforts in delivering another year of solid performance and continuing to support our mission in bringing new therapies to patients around the world.

Speaker 3

Operator, we are now ready for questions.

Operator

Thank Thank you. We'll now take our first question. Please stand by. First question is from the line of Justin Bowers from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning, everyone. Could you just remind us what the net service fee revenue growth was in the quarter? And then more broadly, is there a rule of thumb or that we can use to help better understand sort of like what the top line headwind is from a shift to FSP? That's the first question.

Speaker 2

I think it's 2 actually, Justin. But on the direct fee basis, we're at about around about 8%. I think it was at high single digits. That's the number on a direct fee basis. So we feel good about that.

Speaker 2

We had slightly lower pass throughs during the quarter. So that pushes back overall to the 5%. In terms of top line impact of FSP, that's hard to it's really hard to quantify that at this stage. This is a very gradual approach. FSP is a relatively it's not a relatively modest part of our business, although an important part of our business and it contributes at the bottom the contribution level line, it's not too different ultimately to our full service work.

Speaker 2

So while it may have some modest impact on overall margins as it increases. And we'll talk a bit about that as we go through the call and the trends on FSP. It's not as I think we talked about

Speaker 4

200 bps or

Speaker 2

300 bps to 300 bps as a number in terms of impact on a headwind basis over the longer term. But that's it really depends upon the customer and upon the particular contract deal.

Speaker 3

Yes. And of course, as we think about it, we've talked about the fact that we saw that mix there last year. I think we've started off this year with very strong indications that our full service organization is going to grow well in terms of business wins this year. So, and certainly, Justin, of course, it's included in our guidance as given and certainly the midpoints there would include the mix shift if you like to the extent we see that during the course of the current year.

Speaker 4

Appreciate it. That's my 1 or 2. So I'll jump back in queue.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. And this is from the line of Jalendra Singh from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thank you and good morning everyone. So I wanted to follow-up on your macro commentary. It seems you are encouraged by data points and trends you've seen in Q1 thus far, but you're maintaining your outlook, which assume slower CRO industry growth. So is it fair to say that you're not reflecting recent trends in your outlook? And if these trends continue, would you say that will be kind of upside to expectations for the year?

Speaker 2

Yes. I'd characterize it this way, Jalendra, in that I think as we said early in January, on the RFP front, biotech was a little more muted. Large pharma was strong. As we've gone into the first half of the first quarter of this year, we've probably seen the RFPs tick up and the environment sort of move up a notch. So overall, in terms of RFPs in the first quarter, again, the first half of the first quarter, so we're not ready to declare victory.

Speaker 2

And I'm not reporting the Q1 today, but we're seeing sort of mid teens growth on the RFP opportunity. A lot of that through strength in large pharma, some of the strategic partnerships we've talked about are bearing fruit in terms of opportunities. But we're also seeing a modest uptick around mid single digits in the biotech space as well. So we talked about biotech stabilizing and improving and that seems to be playing out in the first as I say, the first very early part of this year. So we're encouraged by that.

Speaker 2

We're not quite ready to change guidance or to get further to get too bullish on that at this point. But we're certainly very encouraged about the positive environment that we see in the 1st part of quarter 1.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then my quick follow-up on the gross margin. Looks like, of course, you expect that to be flat at 30% year over year. Just want to understand the puts and takes there. Are you seeing any pricing pressure from clients, which might be impacting trends, clearly shift to more FSP work is a headwind, but it's very gradual.

Speaker 5

Any offsetting factors you can highlight? Just give us more granular details about the gross margin trends this year.

Speaker 3

Yes, I'll take that one. In terms of the margin progress and profile, obviously, we were very happy with how we ended up the year. And yes, we think that the uncertainty is probably the right way to think about 2024. There are of course mix shifts in the absolute levels of business. To your point, they're quite gradual in terms of really having a significant margin profile impact.

Speaker 3

But we do a lot of work as we've talked about in the past in terms of making sure we're an efficient organization. And that runs from making sure that all of our projects are highly utilized by our staff right down to the concepts of how we use our technology to continue automation and the use of robotics in our organization. And of course that impacts not only on our gross margin, but on our SG and A as well. And so we look to continue that investment and Steve made reference to that in his prepared comments as we go through the course of 2023, I suppose or 2024 I should say. All of that gives us confidence that even with shifting dynamics in our mix of business between full service and FSP, we should be in a good place to be able to maintain that 30% gross margin.

Speaker 3

As we talked about that is our kind of more of our medium term target as well. So we feel good about that. And I think it's that diligence from a project manager perspective and that use of technology that really gives us the comfort on that particular point.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. And this is from the line of Luke Sergott from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks guys. Just to follow-up on that pricing. We hear about the competitive dynamics in the market. You always talk about the pharma industry always sharpening their pencils.

Speaker 6

But as you guys have shifted more towards large pharma, given the lack of biotech funding and RFPs out there, the large CROs are competing on fewer projects. So are you guys seeing fewer projects across large pharma? And then how is that pricing environment among these projects? And is anybody kind of getting a little aggressive on the pricing dynamic?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Luke. We're certainly seeing more opportunities in large pharma, question about that. The RFP dollars that are coming through are very solid and then driving that, as I say, that early 24 mid teens increase in RFP on a trailing 12 month basis. And we are seeing more opportunities as well.

Speaker 2

I think that's partly because of the number of strategic partnerships we have across the industry. I think it's partly because of the number because of the fact that we are now we're seeing a significantly scaled organization. We're a major player in the development space now and we're part of the conversation every time now. Even if we're not specifically a strategic partner with the large pharma, we get that opportunity. So we're seeing more.

Speaker 2

We're seeing more dollars. It's always a very competitive pricing environment. We have to sharpen our pencils. We have to be smart in the way we structure project teams and put projects together, and we do that pretty well. So I'd say the pricing environment hasn't changed dramatically.

Speaker 2

I would say that in our with our opportunities because we are strategic with a number of these customers, our win rate tends to be higher in that part of the market as well. So we win a greater proportion of those dollars than we do in other parts of the market where we're competing with a number of different organizations and there are different perspectives on large versus small CROs, etcetera, etcetera. So we certainly like that large pharma space. Of course, there's always some challenges on pricing, but we believe we're well positioned to be able to accommodate those.

Speaker 6

Great. And then I guess the follow-up there is kind of on the same vein there. You guys put out the 1.25 book to bill guide. I don't remember you guys putting usually a hard target like that. So what's given you the visibility?

Speaker 6

Is it something from the customer class? Like you said, like you can have a visibility into the biotech funding coming back or large pharma or some therapeutic index. Just give us some type of idea of where you're getting that visibility?

Speaker 2

Well, I'd say, first of all, it's a target rather than a guide. That is a Sorry,

Speaker 6

I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

Speaker 2

Let's be clear. That's what we're shooting for. That's what we believe the market will support. So we're basing that on the opportunities we're seeing coming in the door on the build that we have on a more strategic level with some of these midsize and large pharma customers. We're basing it on the stabilization and the improvement as we see in the biotech funding space and our opportunity to win business there, there's a number of things there.

Speaker 2

We feel we're in a good place to be able to benefit from those opportunities. We feel the company's moved along nicely. We've made a lot of progress with the integration in Union with PRA. Much of that is behind us now. We feel very constructive about the medium and longer term future of the organization and the industry for that matter.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks.

Speaker 1

Sorry, I'll just maybe just tack on quickly in terms of the $1,200,000,000 That's really the average target that we're thinking about for the full year. So that's not on every quarter is not going isn't necessarily to say it's 1.25 percent on the mark, but it's still that the range between 1.2 to 1.3 for the full year, which, of course, averages 1.25.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. And this is from the line of Eric Coldwell from Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to hit on staffing and resourcing. I'm curious with the mid single digit revenue growth this year, what kind of hiring needs you might have? How does that look on a gross and net basis, I.

Speaker 7

E. Is turnover improving? Can you give more with less, if you will? And then I know you've done a couple of smaller deals here recently. What where do you think you end up the full year, including the M and A in terms of headcount?

Speaker 7

Thanks very much.

Speaker 2

Sure, Eric. So overall headcount wise, we didn't really increase this year. We were able to get the growth through improvement in efficiency of, as I say, the 41,000 very dedicated employees that we have in the organization. Part of it was I talked about the hours on the automation, 2,000,000 hours when in there, that certainly helped us and we're planning more of that. So resourcing was solid.

Speaker 2

Retention has been very good. In fact, we've seen retention improve month to month, quarter to quarter really for the last couple of years now. So we're down we're well above our retention levels pre COVID now and we feel so the pressure in terms of resourcing is lower than it was. That's helping us from an SG and A point of view. We feel the workforce is engaged and enabled and really making very positive.

Speaker 2

So we're I would say we're a more efficient organization than we were certainly 2 years ago and we continue on that push. As I said, the target was to move automation to close to the 3,500,000 hours, which represents a significant number of people if you convert that to hours. But that's the way we see our sort of our workforce growing mainly through automation and process improvement than through actually adding headcount. Having said that, with the growth projection we have for this year, we will be inevitably adding people, but probably at a lower rate and certainly at a lower rate than we had revenue. So if you can work at those sort of terms, we think we can continue with the efficiencies and with the improvement in the efficiencies, be it utilization, automation, all the rest of it.

Speaker 2

And as we get back and step back in the M and A market, clearly, we'll be bringing on people as we acquire organizations and acquire companies and we'll work that through and we'll work them into the organization. But they'll be again, I think we can say that we'll be increasing revenue at a greater rate than we'll be increasing headcount or the cost of headcount as we go forward.

Speaker 7

That's great. If I could just throw in one follow-up here or different question. The 1.2 to 1.3 book to bill range is consistent with what you've said in the past. I'm curious with this new publicly known contract with BARDA or opportunity with BARDA, Do you have expectations in your annual book to bill related to that? I assume they're fairly modest if so, but I'm just curious how much of that is, I hate to use the term legacy or core because I think these are all core contracts, but non BARDA work, how much of the net book to bill goal is more, I guess, traditional work versus this unique government opportunity?

Speaker 7

And I'll wrap it up there. Thanks.

Speaker 2

We see these we see the occasional BARDA contract coming along, Eric, but there's nothing in Q4. And although there might be some opportunities in the pipeline, we don't think they're going to materially have a major impact on our book to bills across the year. They may have some impact if they come in on a quarterly basis. But across the year, in terms of the aspiration, the target we have for new business awards, it will be very modest or minor. So while they're important for our business and obviously they tend to be vaccine related studies and they give us an opportunity to earn revenue faster than some of the other projects we do.

Speaker 2

And so from that point of view, particularly, they have some benefit for our organization. We don't think they're going to be particularly material on an annual basis and not necessarily going to drive that materially drive that book to bill number.

Speaker 7

Thanks very much.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Eric.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. And this is from the line of Patrick Donnelly from Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Steve, I want to pick up on the burn rate that you just mentioned there in terms of just what's in the pipeline. Obviously, I know it varies between things like oncology. Obviously, you mentioned BARDA there.

Speaker 8

Can you just talk about how you're thinking about that burn conversion rate this year and where that trend line is going? And maybe Brendan, I'm sure you can chime in as well, but just curious on how you're thinking about that piece.

Speaker 2

Yes. Pat, I'll give you a bit of an opinion on that and then Brendan can give you some more detail. I mean, we're at about the 9.3% this quarter. It's down a little down what 20 bps from last quarter. It's probably not going up anytime soon, I would say, given the portfolio mix that we have as we've moved away from those vaccine trials at COVID.

Speaker 2

So we're probably going to we're possibly going to trend down 10 bps or so that we're obviously working ways to avoid that and to speed up the current trials we've done and we've got had some success in doing that. But the trend is probably marginally flat or down, I'd say, in the sort of medium short to medium term. Do you want to add?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, I think that's exactly it. I don't have to push that. It's probably as we go through 2024, we probably think about more in that 9.2%, 9.3% range. And that's probably where we'll be.

Speaker 3

And to Steve's point, of course, there's opportunities that if we can get more of that vaccine work in the door that might have a little bit of a help us with a little bit of a tailwind in the back half of the year. But at this stage, we're very much looking at the ranges as outlined.

Speaker 8

Okay. That's helpful. And maybe just following up on one of the earlier questions, Steve, I know you said the RFPs, I think it was mid teens so far this quarter. I mean, it clearly sounds a little more constructive than you sounded at JPM in January. Can you just talk about, I guess, what you saw over the last month, 1.5 months to kind of, I guess, would come out with a little more constructive tone there?

Speaker 8

And again, it sounds like that would shape up well in terms of just how to think about the book to bill for 1Q, I guess, being squarely in that 1Q, 1Q range, but just wanted to talk through what you're seeing over the past month to month and change there?

Speaker 2

Yes, Pat. I mean, I think we have to be a little careful here. RFPs are a marker for new business wins, but they're not a perfect market. We all know that. And so but having said that, what we've seen, as I said, over the 1st 7 or 8 weeks of the year is a nice uptick on a trailing particularly on a trailing 12 month and year on year comparison basis.

Speaker 2

As I said, mid teens across the portfolio, but the majority of it is in the large pharma space. And that to us is good because as I mentioned, we have a better win rate in that. So more dollars and more opportunities and a better win rate means we feel good about where the large pharma space go. Having said that, we're also seeing a more modest, but certainly an uptick in our biotech opportunities. And that's exciting for us as well as we're kind of really making a push on our biotech profile in the industry.

Speaker 2

We have 7,000 people focused on biotech and they actually do focus on biotech. It's not a smoke and mirrors thing with us. We have these people totally dedicated to this space. And so we're doing a bit more talking about that with our customers and I think that's starting to get some traction. And so overall, we feel that we've kind of almost passed the got passed the nadir.

Speaker 2

Past the nadir was the 4th quarter and we're starting to move we've upped it a notch, I think. And it certainly feels to us like we're moving. The trains moved away from the station and we're starting to gain a bit of pace in that area. So overall, as I say, pretty constructive about it.

Speaker 8

Understood. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. This is from the line of Jack Meehan from Nephron Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good morning and good afternoon. I wanted to ask about some of the customer disclosures you provide. So just recently you've had pretty good growth from your largest customer. I was wondering if there are any like themes you would call out or therapeutic areas, just how should we think about the durability of growth here?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think as you could see from the numbers we reported, the largest customer did grow. That was specifically related to a couple of large projects that moved forward pretty quickly in the quarter. And so I don't think we're necessarily seeing that as a sustained trend. Alternatively, the 2% to 5% dropped a little bit, again, as it relates to one particular customer in there where the mix shift was changing a bit.

Speaker 2

So these things change a little bit on a quarter to quarter basis, Jack. I wouldn't get too focused in on that as those are sort of long term trends. We feel we're in a good place with our top 10, top 20 customers. They're all apart from 1 or 2 that they growing. And the ones that aren't growing, it's more a mix shift change rather than anything else.

Speaker 2

And even so, we're seeing more of the business that they're wanting to go into, albeit it's at a different revenue flow. So overall, we feel good. I've said it a number of times. We've made progress on the strategic front with a couple of customers and even others in the large pharma space where we haven't necessarily become a strategic partner with them. We're talking to them about some significant opportunities.

Speaker 2

Some of them are having some challenges as we all know and that has led to probably more strategic discussions around what we can do and how we can help them to get through some of the short or medium term pain that they have to endure. So I know we often think about when customers are having a hard time sort of financially that they necessarily cut costs or cut spending. They can spend in different ways in my experience. And sometimes that can be a significant benefit for us in terms of what they do versus when they're running and growing and their revenues are going up as well. So hard times produce opportunity for us and that's certainly proving the case in 1 or 2 areas on the significant large pharma space.

Speaker 9

Great. And as one follow-up, what's the latest tone you're hearing around the IRA? I think there was a lot of maybe concern or uncertainty around that last year. Do you feel like customers have a greater handle around how that's going to impact their R and D spend plan?

Speaker 2

I haven't heard a lot that's changed since last year. Year. I do think there's some genuine concern from customers around how their organizations are going to handle that. We have a meeting in a couple of weeks with some of our largest customers and that's a topic on the agenda to talk through with. We have some external people coming in, so I'll get a better handle for it then.

Speaker 2

But I don't think things have changed dramatically. I know that it's moved forward in negotiating the pricing. We haven't seen I don't think that's been necessarily a reason for any budget challenges that they've had at this point. These are changes that are going to take some years to work in. And so the short answer to your question, Jack, is not much change really.

Speaker 2

They remain, I think, concerned and somewhat challenged by it, but they're looking at different ways of developing drugs in we talked about doing it in concurrent doing these developments concurrently rather than in series or and that gives us an opportunity to expand the opportunity to get into market faster in multiple indications versus just waiting and doing it and as I say sequentially. So again, sometimes these things and often these things give us opportunity because we represent a possibility of doing things in a different way.

Speaker 5

Sounds good. Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. And this is from the line of Elizabeth Anderson from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, guys. Good morning and thanks for the question. I was wanting to follow-up on some of the demand questions that have been asked before. I think, obviously, one thing people continue to be worried about is like the overall sort of pharma spending environment, whether it's IRA specifically related or something else. It's obviously nice that you have that new strategic partnership.

Speaker 10

That's nice to see. Can you talk about sort of the level of visibility on your strategic partnerships with large pharma and how kind of you could maybe they help you get a sense of sort of where their pipelines are going and help give people a little bit more confidence in the trajectory there? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, I think with our strategic partners, Elizabeth, we do get some visibility on their pipelines. And that's one of the advantages of that partnership. We know what's coming down the pike. We know what therapeutic area we need to ramp up in.

Speaker 2

And through understandings and steering senior steering committee meetings, we're able to work out where we need to be as a partnership. I'm not hearing again at this stage any further concerns on funding or on their R and D spend. If anything, based on the RFP opportunities we've got over the last couple of months and even last quarter, last year and second and third quarter was strong as well, we're seeing more opportunities. So I guess I keep saying it, but as their budgets become perhaps a little bit more constrained or they watch where they're spending their dollars, they do appear to becoming more open to outsourcing and outsourcing even more than they're doing at the moment. So, as I say, I can't add much in terms of where the budgets are and whether it's an increase or decrease.

Speaker 2

We see we read the same data you do in terms of modest increases in R and D spending over the medium to long term. But it's how that money is allocated is really what's important to us. And if anything, I think we're seeing more opportunity in terms of the dollars that are outsourced and the opportunity to penetrate further that market.

Speaker 10

Got it. That's super helpful. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now move to the next question. Please standby. This is from the line of David Windley from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi. Good morning, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to explore margin a little bit. First, just in talking about the FSP shift, you've highlighted that it is very gradual, I get that.

Speaker 11

My sense is that, at least what I'm aware of is that at the gross margin level, the margin difference between full service and FSP would be quite a bit wider and then at the maybe at the EBITDA margin level, you get to that 200 to 300 basis points of margin difference because the SG and A load on FSP is lower. You could correct me if I'm wrong there. So I guess I wanted to understand maybe if you could quantify from a percentage of revenue basis, how gradual is this shift to FSP such that you still think you can keep the gross margin at around 30%. I'll leave it there and come back with a follow-up.

Speaker 3

Dave, I might take a crack at that one just to start off with. As you said, it is a gradual process. And as we think through the impact of this and let's be honest as well and before we said in the start of this year, actually if anything, the scale is probably tipped more towards the full service piece in terms of the opportunity that's out there. So I don't think I'd start off by saying we've seen trends in moving from full service to FSP in the past. I don't know if this is structurally any different from the trends we've seen in the past where some folks move in one direction, some folks move in the other direction.

Speaker 3

So that's probably the first important point to make. I think your commentary is not incorrect in terms of by the time you get the EBITDA, it's minimized. And we've talked about the fact that in excess of 20% of our business is in that kind of FSP share of our revenue portfolio. I mean, we don't see it moving materially enough, I suppose, to really shift the gross margin piece. Certainly, in terms of what we can do, as we've talked about the efficiency as we drive through good utilization of our workforce through the use of automation in terms of balancing out that any kind of mix shift that we have there.

Speaker 3

So I think we're a good organization. We've been doing FSP for a long time. I think we're efficient at how we deliver on our FSP contracts to the point that we can manage this and manage that growth. But I do think it's important to note that I don't think I mean, I'm not even sure we'll see a material shift in terms of the percentage year over year from 2023 to 2024 in terms of the FSP, non FSP business. So it is gradual and it will take time.

Speaker 3

And as I said, we've got other people going the opposite direction as well. We've got people moving away from FSP towards full service. So I'm obviously not going to give you maybe the grind early it's like, but I do think we're very comfortable with as we get through the course of this year being able to maintain those gross margin profiles overall and being efficient as an organization and very accustomed to both models to be able to drop that margin improvement that we talked about 50 bps to the EBITDA line.

Speaker 11

Got it. Okay. And I did note that you said that the incremental partnership was full service, so that probably factors in. My follow-up question is around the automation. I mean, in so much as notwithstanding your answer, this trend of multiyear trend toward FSP, offsetting that with automation seems particularly important and the improvement in your hours of automation seems pretty strategic and critical to your margin expansion strategy over the long term.

Speaker 11

So I've got a 2 parter here. 1, could you give us a sense of the cost of an automation hour versus the cost of a labor hour? And 2, in so much as you finished the Q4 of 2023 higher than you expected and so the full year, you in air quotes kind of pulled forward 20 basis points of margin expansion to 23 to the full year of 2023. Getting to 50 basis points is really more aggressive than or more aspirational than when you gave that guidance the first time and maybe give us the comfort that you still think that full 50 basis points is achievable? Thank you.

Speaker 3

I'll start maybe Dave on I suppose the way we measure those hours that we're talking about there the equivalent hours that people would do. So if this was a job of work, we're talking about removing those hours from the organization. So when we talk about like the 2,000,000, we're talking about 2,000,000 hours of kind of labor time removed from the organization. I don't know if I have a bus hour ratio for you that I can quickly give unfortunately. But what we're talking about is a very substantial amount of hours of our average labor costs removed from the organization.

Speaker 3

And that's a target we think about in terms of how we measure that as an organization and then also how we set a target. I mean, obviously, 2,000,000 hours of people's labor time, even if you say take a blended race and look at our different geographies around the world. And even if you said that this was occurring in lower cost geographies is where you take the automation out, even if you made all those caveats, you're talking about very substantial savings as a result of this type of automation. And so we do think you're absolutely right. It is an important and strategic element of our gross margin development and something that we will be continuing to focus on over time.

Speaker 3

On the second bit and then I'm sure Steve will want to chime in as well. But on the second piece, I think you know as well enough Dave at this point to know that we generally don't talk about targets that we feel we can't hit. So we still do think the 50 bps is right. You're quite right. We ended up better than we thought we would.

Speaker 3

And so that's a more ambitious target. As I've said earlier in the call, I think it's more around kind of keeping that gross margin in that 30 ballpark and seeing continued leverage on our SG and A. And as of course, you saw an absolute dollar decrease in $22,000,000 to $23,000,000 of $25,000,000 on our SG and A. So we've got a great experience there and an amazing team that helps us deliver that leverage. And it's that kind of leverage we're looking for, not quite that level of leverage.

Speaker 3

We don't need to absolute dollar drop as we go into 2024, but we certainly need to see the vast majority of the leverage on the 50 bps come from SG and A over the course of the year. And I think we've got a good plan to achieve that. I don't know, Steve, if you want to add.

Speaker 2

No, I think you said it all.

Speaker 11

You're right. Thank you. I do know you to be very good at that. You're right. Thanks.

Speaker 2

You bet.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. And this is from the line of Max Schlot from William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, good afternoon.

Speaker 12

Thanks for taking our questions. Just a couple of quick ones for me here. So on direct fee versus pass through revenue, I think it's been a couple of quarters now where pass through revenue has been a pretty meaningful headwind on the top line. Just wondering if you can give us direct fee revenue growth in total for 2023 versus pass throughs? And then what you have embedded for each of these buckets in the top line guide for 2024?

Speaker 12

Now I'll just go ahead and ask my follow-up since it's related. How much of the margin improvement this year came from that mix shift to direct fee revenue? And then how are you thinking about the impact to margins from this potential mix shift in 2024? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Max, I'll maybe give a crack in terms of the 2022 over 2023 piece. Obviously, you've talked about direct fee being more on the high single digits. And as you can see, you obviously can read what we did from a pass through inclusive number for the full year. So yes, there was a continued headwind from pass through as we came through the course of 2023. That has been somewhat of the consequence of the kind of vaccine and then moving more towards our more traditional, let's call it, therapeutic mix of more oncology, more orphan type therapies that have longer durations.

Speaker 3

And so we've seen that as a headwind over the last couple of years, it's not peculiar to 23. We do feel like we're coming we're getting to the shorter yards on that. We talked about our the mix of that probably still being to some extent a headwind as we go into 2024, but not to the same extent as we've seen in 2023 particularly. And we've also talked about our expectation around our COVID, non COVID mix is probably not dissimilar in the 3% to 4% range both in 2023 and in 2024. So, yes, we would like to think it will step down a little bit in terms of a headwind as we go into 2024.

Speaker 3

But of course, we'll see how that plays out during the course of the year and we'll give you more granularity on that as we go through. The second part of the question, sorry, I didn't scribble it down. Mix shift. Mix shift. We talked about yes, exactly.

Speaker 3

We'll give you I think as we go through the course of the year that mix shift will give you a bit granularity. Sounds good. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. And this is from the line of Anne Hynes from Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hi, good morning. I just want to focus on capital deployment. I know in your prepared remarks you talked about M and A. Do you have unannounced M and A in your guidance would be my first question. My second question would be maybe types of assets you're looking for that maybe you need to bulk up.

Speaker 13

And then with the share repo, that's not I know that's not in guidance. And how do you balance M and A versus share repo for this year?

Speaker 2

Okay. And the answer to your question is no. And your first question anyway, we don't have any M and A in our guidance. So just to be clear on that. In terms of New M and

Speaker 1

A, sorry, just new M and A, the previously announced M and A obviously is in there from Phillips and

Speaker 2

That's right. Yes. Yes, that's in there. Yes, previously announced, yes, but there's nothing new in there. In terms of how we're looking at share buyback, we're at kind of a pivotal point with the organization.

Speaker 2

We've done, I think, a very good job in paying down our debt. We're 2 times adjusted EBITDA. Now that's a good place to be. And quite frankly, we want we want to remain within kind of 1.5 to 2.5. So as we have some potential we still got to make another payment this quarter in terms of our debt.

Speaker 2

We'll be working hard to restructure that and get ourselves into a situation of certainty on what our interest payments will be. And we talked about the $100,000,000 improvement, our reduction in interest rate fees for 20 24 versus 2023. And as we do that, as we move and particularly we get towards the second half this year, the M and A area is going to is becoming much more important. And so we're actively looking at the moment because these things take a little time at a number of areas on the M and A front. We've talked about being getting building out our Telecare site network and being stronger in that space.

Speaker 2

The labs represent an opportunity for us, whether it be in the specialty labs or the central lab. So our lab is not within the top 3 at the moment. We'd like to be within the top 3 and so we see some opportunity there. And then there are some other sort of round sites and patients and services around concierge services around even areas like devices. There are a number of areas we're looking at very hard from an M and A.

Speaker 2

And that remains as we get and restructure our debt and move forward with that, the M and A becomes our priority for capital deployment. The share buyback is there and we've, as I say, received authorization from the Board to do that. And we'll deploy that. We'll use that as and when we see fit opportunistically. And particularly, if we don't find anything on the M and A front that we feel we can execute effectively and at a reasonable price.

Speaker 2

But at the moment, we feel there are some opportunities out there to buy organizations and capabilities that really fit with our organization, fit with our capabilities and really allow us to prosecute clinical trials faster, better and more efficiently for customers and that remains the absolute priority.

Speaker 13

Great. And just on your revenue guidance, there is a wide range. And can you just go through what gets you to the low end and what gets you to the high end What are the big variant factors?

Speaker 3

Yes. I'll take that, Ann. There is a wide range and we'll be narrowing that as we go through the course of the year without doubt. And we may even think about that in quarter 1 and quarter 2. I think we were still looking at a market, certainly when we set the guidance, that will have some elements of uncertainty in it.

Speaker 3

And we were trying to really reflect that. There are obviously some opportunities. Steve made reference to the fact that there could be some additional vaccine work that could burn quickly through that and that might help us to get up into the higher end of the range. And likewise, there's always a risk of cancellations in this nature of the business. That's just the nature of the world, right?

Speaker 3

So as we get more certainty, certainly, we'll be narrowing that range as we get into the year. But certainly, I would always say to people that when asked, midpoint is as good a place as any, right? So if you're trying to do your modeling, that's where I'd send you to.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

And we'll now take our next question. This is from the line of Jack Wallace from Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hey, thanks for taking my question. I'll keep this brief. I was just wondering given the market dynamics and sort of pressures facing your customers, particularly the largest ones, if there's any incremental appetite utilizing risk based monitoring? And if we'll follow-up to that if some of your investments in AI could be an accelerant for that? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. So Jack, as I understand your question, is there any incremental appetite for risk based monitoring based on some of their financial challenges? I mean, I wouldn't necessarily associate risk based monitoring with financial challenges. I mean, risk based monitoring is part of what we do on a normal basis now, where we focus our attention and our resources on sites or patients or areas of the data collection process that has the greatest risk. And we use particularly off-site and our IT technology, some of our newest IT technology to identify data that perhaps needs further scrutiny.

Speaker 2

And it is a more efficient way of doing it. So to that extent, you're getting we're spending our customers' dollars more effectively and more efficiently. But I think of it in those terms rather than as a cost reduction way of doing things. It's just a more effective way of deploying dollars around the clinical monitoring processes is what I put. Does that answer your question?

Speaker 12

Yes. No, that does. I appreciate it. Thank you. Yes.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take the next question. This is from the line of Dan Leonard from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Thank you. Just a couple of cleanups. First off on the COVID work, could you remind me what percentage of your backlog at this point is COVID and how you expect sales to trend in 2024?

Speaker 1

Hey, Dan, they're well aligned in terms of the backlog and the percentage of revenue in that range of 3% to 4% for the full year.

Speaker 14

Thank you. And the other cleanup, can you give an acquisition sales contribution figure in the quarter, if you did I missed it, from the deals you've already announced? And then how much is in that 2024 guide?

Speaker 3

It's not huge. I mean, circa 10 in the quarter, it will be in that ballpark for the full year in terms of 10% a quarter is not far off.

Speaker 14

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take the next question. This is from the line of Derik de Bruin from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 15

Hey, thanks for taking the question. This is Mike Ryskin on for Derik. Same thing, a couple minor cleanups. One is just could you clarify exactly what the pricing assumption is for 2024? I know you talked about price qualitatively, but if you could quantify it.

Speaker 15

And then also on the interest expense, the $100,000,000 year over year, all that makes sense. And you talked about some of the payments coming over the course of the year. But just anything on pacing as we go through the year just from modeling when should we when and how should we base that through the year? Thanks.

Speaker 3

On the pricing piece, Mike, it very much depends. There's no straight answer to that one. Of course, we have inflationary increases in most of our contracts and we have those negotiations with our customers at the start of the year. They obviously follow kind of CPI index in terms of inflationary pieces. So that's a conversation that happens every year.

Speaker 3

It's progressing around this time of the year again, but each new business will depend on the individual customer. And on the $100,000,000 of the I mean, I would say probably more back ended. We want to try to get all this sorted out in H1. So I would say stepping down quarter by quarter, but probably more dramatically in the second half.

Speaker 7

Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. And we have one more question. This is from the line of Casey Woodring from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Great. Hi. Thank you for squeezing me in. A lot has

Speaker 4

been asked, but want to follow-up

Speaker 12

on the strategic partnership questions. Just wondering how many of those types of partnerships you have now? And is there a way to size this new opportunity that you called out this quarter and then the total opportunity of those partnerships in aggregate? And then also just what gives your full service offering a competitive advantage in winning those types of partnerships? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Just a minor question at the end there, Casey, is a competitive advantage of us over the industry. Let me start with the strategic partnership. We're not ready to sort of size it at that stage. We think of these things as being at least ultimately at least at the sort of $200,000,000 in revenue annually. That's what our expectation is as you become a strategic partner with a top 20, top 30 pharma company.

Speaker 2

I don't have a number for what the entire strategic partnerships give us at least not on the top of my head. We are what we would call strategic with a significant majority of the top 20 pharma companies at the moment. And I think we talked about when we got together with PRA 18 months ago or so, 20 months ago, I think we had 13 on. We've advanced that by several now, something like 16 or so. So we've made some significant progress there.

Speaker 2

And importantly, there are a number of companies, while we haven't necessarily signed an MSA or become a strict, we are talking to them and we are getting opportunities from them. So often this is a process that can take a year or 2, not just to win the partnership or to be considered a strategic partner, but ultimately as the business ramps up with this. So these are things that don't aren't going to have a sort of an immediate impact on our revenues, but we are seeing certainly opportunities. And they are to be quite honest, starting to drive those RFP improvements that I talked about. In terms of competitive advantage, we're a scale player now.

Speaker 2

And our union with PRA that's now, let's say, 20 months ago is more like 30 months ago, isn't it? Middle of 2021 has made a major contribution to that. I would say the people that we brought on have made a major contribution to our organization. And as a scale player within the clinical development space, we have the technology, we have that those resources, that depth and breadth of capability. We have the platforms, the decentralized platforms.

Speaker 2

And that really gives us a ticket to the table pretty much every time now. So there are very few of these sort of partnership discussions we're excluded from whereas I can certainly look back 5 years ago and say we probably didn't make it to the table in a number of instances. And so that's changed. Now in terms of specific advantages over our bigger competitors, I would say our site network is one that gives us some opportunity. And I think the technology that we have and that we've been able to deploy around our site network be it OneSearch or some of the technology that we've been public about as well has also given us some advantage over that.

Speaker 2

And then you look at the mix of service. We have our functional services group is a significant one. Our full service is a significant one. The focus that we have in the biotech segment versus the all of those things, I think are important as we contemplate strategic partnerships with large companies and as we compare ourselves against our competitors, our larger competitors, everyone has something. And in our business, it's a multifactorial sort of there's no one sort of key advantage that puts you ahead.

Speaker 2

There's no intellectual property or anything like that for us unfortunately. We have to rely on our wits and our brains and the decisions we make in a number of factors, even down to the project manager who runs the project. So there are lots of things that are important for us as we go up, whether it be a strategic partnership or a normal project. But they're all important and we think we compete very well in that space now.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 12

Okay.

Speaker 2

So I think thank you, operator. I think we're done with the questions. Appreciate the questions from everyone. So thank you for joining the call today. Your continued interest and for your continued interest in ICON, we're excited, certainly very excited for the opportunity ahead.

Speaker 2

We believe we're at a really pivotal point in our company's development now. And I think that's been evidenced by some of the things we've some of the comments we've made today around those strategic partnerships and the opportunities that we have going forward. So thank you for the questions and have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the conference for today. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect. Speakers, please stand by.

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