NYSE:TFPM Triple Flag Precious Metals Q4 2023 Earnings Report $21.94 -0.12 (-0.54%) Closing price 04/17/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$21.98 +0.04 (+0.20%) As of 04/17/2025 04:42 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Triple Flag Precious Metals EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.09Consensus EPS $0.08Beat/MissBeat by +$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/ATriple Flag Precious Metals Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$51.74 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATriple Flag Precious Metals Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/21/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, February 22, 2024Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsTriple Flag Precious Metals' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckAnnual Report (40-F)Annual ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Triple Flag Precious Metals Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 22, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. My name is Abby, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Triple Flag 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded and all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:37Thank you. And I will now turn the conference over to Sean Asmar, Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Asmar, you may begin. Speaker 100:00:47Debbie, thank you, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Triple Flag's 4th quarter and full year 2023 results. Today, I'm joined by our CFO, Sheldon Vandekoye and our Senior Vice President of Corporate Development, James Dendle. Turning to Slide 4, our business continued its strong performance during the Q4 with sales of roughly 26,000 gold equivalent resulting in US38 $1,000,000 of our operating cash flow during the quarter. On a full year basis, our portfolio generated sales of just over 105,000 gold equivalent ounces, delivering within our guidance range and creating a new record for Triple Flag. This strong performance resulted in US154 $1,000,000 in operating cash flow and US159 $1,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA for 2023, both new records for the company. Speaker 100:01:44In December, Evolution Mining acquired an 80 percent interest in the North Park's copper gold mine in Australia in which Triple Flag retains a 54% gold stream and 80% silver stream. Evolution has a long history of operating in Australia and is poised to continue developing and operating North Parks in the exceptional manner that SeaMOC had previously. North Park is a world class asset having a multi decade mine life and great exploration potential and we expect the high grade E31 deposit to drive a significant increase in 2024 estimated stream deliveries for the asset. Additionally, several of our over 200 developments and exploration stage assets continue to advance, highlighted by exploration success at Hope Bay and updated economic studies at Kone and Eskei Creek. Finally, looking forward to 2024, we're establishing a guidance range of between 105,000 averaging over 140,000 gold equivalent ounces. Speaker 100:02:53This builds on Triple Flag's track record of sector leading growth in gold equivalent ounces over the past 7 years, where we've delivered a cumulative annual growth rate of more than 20% since 2017 and continuing with short and medium term growth well in excess of our intermediate peers for comparable capital deployment, which we have reaffirmed an annual average of 140,000 GEOs. I'll now turn it over to Sheldon to discuss our financials for Q4 and the full year 2023. Speaker 200:03:25Thank you, Sean. We had a strong 4th quarter with the portfolio producing over 26,000 gold equivalent ounces, which resulted in us achieving our full year 2023 guidance with a final total of over 105,000 gold equivalent ounces. This resulted in records for both revenues and operating cash flow during 2023, supporting our investment thesis for the Mavericks transaction more than a year ago. Operating cash flow per share is a very key metric for me, and I'm pleased to say that we increased slightly for the year from $0.76 per share to $0.77 per share. This reflects accretive growth for the year. Speaker 200:03:59It was a solid quarter and a solid year. Our dividend has been maintained at $0.21 on an annualized basis, which resulted in Triple Flag paying out over $40,000,000 in dividends to shareholders in 2023. We have increased our dividend every year since our IPO and as the year progresses, we'll consider the potential to continue that track record. In addition to our dividend, we also returned over $28,000,000 to shareholders via share buybacks. As of December 31, 2023, we have 9,900,000 shares of remaining capacity under the current NCIB. Speaker 200:04:33I'd also like to comment on our strong balance sheet. We exited 2023 with just over $40,000,000 in net debt. In Q4, we had operating cash flow of $37,000,000 So our net debt represents just over 1 quarter's cash flow. This positions us very well, allowing us to make capital allocation decisions to benefit shareholders through new acquisitions, share buybacks or dividends. I'll turn now to slide 6. Speaker 200:05:00Our portfolio has shown consistent growth since our inception. 2023 was a record for operating cash flow, free cash flow and adjusted EBITDA, each increasing significantly from 2022 due to the acquisition of Mavericks Metals as well as other royalties acquired during the year such as Stahl and Agbaou. Consistent margins result in efficient translation of revenue and cash flow available to shareholders. Our portfolio has significant embedded production growth. As production grows and further aided by a beneficial gold price environment, we expect our free cash flow to grow due to both the price and the volume impact. Speaker 200:05:39Moving to Slide 7, we have highlighted here 3 very important aspects of our portfolio, namely asset diversification, precious metals focus and a portfolio which is predominantly centered in the Americas and Australia. Our revenue is well diversified across our portfolio. Cerro Lindo and North Park are our biggest contributors during the year, representing 22% 14% of annual revenue respectively. Cerro Lindo was our first investment. In 2016, we invested $250,000,000 in Silverstream. Speaker 200:06:12I am very pleased in Q4, we achieved a significant milestone of having recovered all of our initial investment in Cerro Lindo. Demonstrating the strength of the streaming model, Terralindo has a current remaining mine life of over 8 years. We're going to benefit from this stream for a great deal of time to come. And my expectation is that over time mine life will continue to be extended as it has in the past. Moving on, the investment thesis for Triple Flag is for a strong pure play royalty and streaming company focused on precious metals. Speaker 200:06:43This has not changed since our inception in 2016. Gold and silver account for roughly 95% of our revenues amongst the highest in the sector. Our portfolio is centered in mining friendly jurisdictions. Jurisdiction matters. Our single greatest country concentration is in Australia. Speaker 200:07:01Our Australian producing assets include North Parks, Fosterville and Beta Hunt as well as a number of smaller contributors, including STAL. I'd like to now turn to Slide 8. Slide 8 sets out our production growth since we were founded in 2016. In 2017, we produced 33,000 gold equivalent ounces. By 2023, that had increased to 105,000 ounces, a 3 times increase and a compound annual growth rate of over 20%. Speaker 200:07:31Looking forward, we expect this growth to continue in 2024 with our 2024 guidance being between 105 1,000,115,000 gold equivalent ounces. We also expect this growth to continue for the next 5 years as we are expecting our gold equivalent ounces to average over 140,000 ounces from 2025 to 2029. Importantly, this is by organic growth from assets already within our portfolio and does not include any additional acquisitions that may occur. This production growth will efficiently translate into increased cash flow for shareholders. Turning now to Slide 9, I'd like to provide some additional guidance on financial metrics. Speaker 200:08:18We've already stated our GEO guidance of 105 due to the processing of higher gold grade open pit material at E31 and the E31 North, which Sean will discuss further. Depletion is expected to be between $70,000,000 $80,000,000 higher than the prior year given the growth in gold equivalent ounce production, while our G and A will be between $23,000,000 $24,000,000 Finally, our Australian cash tax rate for Australian royalties will be approximately 25%, consistent with the 24% rate that was realized in 2023. Over to you, Sean. Speaker 100:09:03Thanks, Sean. I just want to spend a moment talking a bit about North Parks as a cornerstone asset. As mentioned, North Parks was acquired by Evolution Mining in December of last year. North Park is positioned in Evolution's backyard and in one of Australia's most prospective gold copper belts in New South Wales, which I will highlight in a later slide. Evolution brings significant expertise in large scale underground caving operations from its Ernest Henry mine, having a skill set and experience that is well suited for a large scale porphyry operation such as North Parks. Speaker 100:09:37And as you can see on the next slide, mining of E-thirty one open pits at North Parks is well underway and we expect these high gold grade pits to contribute materially to our gold equivalent ounce profile starting this year. On Slide 12, you can see that Evolution has had great success with developing and optimizing prior acquisitions like the Cowal mine, which is proximate to North Park. Since acquiring the mine in 2015 from Barrick, Evolution has successfully delivered sustainable production, reserve and resource growth and major capital projects. The savvy approach to investing and adding mine life and capacity to create shareholder value in a mine regionally proximate to North Park's bodes well for our interest in this mine with our new partner. And we're excited to help investors appreciate the world class quality of our gold and silver stream on this cornerstone asset as evolution shows the market what value they can unlock in the years ahead. Speaker 100:10:32I'll hand over to James now to discuss Hope Bay. Speaker 300:10:36Thanks, Sean. Touching on one of our exploration assets that has generated significant news flow over the last year. Hope Bay is a multi deposit gold project operated by Agnico Eagle, of which Triplefly calls a 1% NSR royalty. Agnico is undertaking an extensive exploration program at Hope Bay with 2023 drilling totaling more than 125,000 meters and 2024 exploration budgets of $22,000,000 focusing on high potential areas of Madrid and Doris. The results from an internal technical evaluation are expected to be reported in 2025 targeting a larger production restart scenario. Speaker 300:11:21On Page 14, you can see the size of the land package at Hope Bay and the multiple deposits and exploration targets that Agnico Eagle has identified. Of particular interest is the target area in the vicinity of Patch 7 in the center of the long section, which has delivered strong results including 16.3 grams a ton gold over 28.6 meters at a depth of 385 meters and 12.7 grams per ton gold over 4.6 meters at a depth of 6 77 meters. As one of the exploration and development stage assets that we were excited about when acquiring Madrix Metals, we're happy to see our thesis play out and look forward to seeing Agnico Eagle continue to develop this project. Back to you, Sean. Speaker 100:12:09Thank you. So as this snapshot demonstrates, Triple Flag's outlook is overwhelmingly positive. With a ramp up 5 power of roughly US660 $1,000,000 in available liquidity, a broad base of 235 assets, our 8 consecutive sales record projected for the year ahead with guidance of 105,000 to 115,000 gold equivalent ounces and a 5 year average annual production outlook of 140,000 gold equivalent ounces. We're excited to continue growing Triple Flag into a leader in the sector with our top sustainability ratings and our prudent capital allocation decisions. With the Board and management team being large shareholders ourselves, we are completely aligned in ensuring the best outcomes for all stakeholders and are looking forward to what 2024 has to offer. Speaker 100:12:56So with that, Abby, please open the floor to any questions. Operator00:13:01Thank you. We'll take our first question from Cosmos Chiu with CIBC. Your line is open. Speaker 400:13:25Thank you, Sean, Sheldon and James, and congrats on a very strong 2023. Maybe my first question is on North Parks. Good to see evolution taking over North Parks. And Sean, you talked about some of the benefits. But I'm just wondering, still early days, but have there been any positive changes at North Parks that you can share with us? Speaker 100:13:52Cosmo, firstly, I think it's a point we had made. Firstly, thank you for the praise. I've got a great team and we're really very proud of them and what this team has achieved. But to your point on North Park, I just want to take a moment because you've traveled this journey with us. I know that we've had perhaps some of the, I'd say, best access and disclosure on North Parks, but really and China, Molly, were great partners. Speaker 100:14:19But they really didn't have the same sort of reporting disclosures that I think we'll see under Evolution. So I guess in the short term, it's only months since Evolution has acquired the business that they've only just put out jaw compliant reserve statements. We expect in the coming months, they're going to be highly motivated to unveil their studies and their vision for this. So, it's premature for us to certainly front run them. But the business is it has multiple ore bodies, it's well set up, E31, E31 North is timed beautifully for this year and next year to deliver very, very material gold ounce growth for our portfolio. Speaker 100:15:02We're actually having dinner with the team on Sunday nights and so we'll get further updates and we're going to keep the market informed. I think just conceptually, one of the great royalties in this sector is Melartic, that's no secret. You think of this asset with a longer life, a similar NAV for our company as it is to Cisco, but really with a growing ounce profile and actually a longer life and that's before evolution have engaged. And it's not to say one is bad, one is good. These are both great assets. Speaker 100:15:32Our job is really to work on the coattails of evolution and what they see, hopefully similar to what they've done at Cowal and to really showcase this asset in the very same way that people come to associate Malartic with the Cisco, it truly is that world class and I think that's what we would like investors to appreciate. I think with Evolution, their track record and also their disclosure obligations that will unveil itself in the weeks and months ahead. I'll see if James or Sheldon have any other comments they wish to add. Speaker 300:16:04Yes, Charles, I'll just reinforce Sean's point. Sea market tremendous operator and really ran North Parks very, very well. And many of the operating team are consistent from Rio Tinto days, CMOC days and now on to Evolution with a few changes here and there. But really, there's some similarity in the operating team. If you look at Evolution's comments publicly, they're focused on the plan as expected. Speaker 300:16:33They point to the size of the mineral inventory. As a reminder, we're talking about a 500,000,000 ton resource that's currently being chipped away at 7,600,000 tons per year. So scope to maybe grow that throughput given the size of the mineral endowment. They've also stated a focus on immediate drilling to target near mine mineralization at surface and also some of the deeper portions of E48. So we think they're looking at it exactly the right way. Speaker 300:17:02We've always been convinced that surface and exploration at North Park is very limited and really was focused on pitfall material. I mean there's tremendous possibility of depth. So I think that reflects quite well with regards to how Evolution is looking at the asset, but we'll see how they go with disclosing their plans over Speaker 100:17:22the course Speaker 300:17:22of the year. Speaker 100:17:24Great. Thanks. And that's I'll give you a flavor. Watch this space, there should be more to come. Speaker 400:17:30Of course, yes. And maybe as a follow-up, on the MD and A yesterday, you mentioned short term at North Park, the growth is coming from E31 and E31 North, the open pits. Longer term, it's potentially coming from the E22 underground. Could you maybe help us understand or describe once again the evolution of the asset, the sort of life of mind of the open pits and what needs to be done in terms of the underground and just kind of wrap it all together for us quickly if possible? Speaker 100:18:07Sure. James, do you want to touch on that? Speaker 300:18:08Yes, sure. And this is a good refresher. If you think about North Park historically, it was a series of relatively small open pits targeting copper mineralization more or less surface back in the mid-90s. Over time those pits have been developed And of course, at the time it was north, then Rio Tinto discovered the deeper rooted porphyry system beneath the pits. And the mines transition progressively from shallow pits to very sophisticated block caves and narrow mines a series of block caves predominantly in a number of supplementary open pits. Speaker 300:18:43So that's been the history of the mine. There are numerous open pit targets across the property. So we'd expect some contribution of open pits to continue into the future. But as you know, Karl, the real sustained growth is from the development of E22. And when you look at E22, we're talking about a grade that's quite in excess from gold point of view versus the current mine grade, so 0.37 grams a ton. Speaker 300:19:13So that provides for a longer period of increased gold output. The open pits at E31 are by design relatively small and relatively short lived. So they'll provide production this year and into the next part of 2025. But really, the set of sustained gold output is from E22, which is an important development that I know evolution is also focused. Speaker 100:19:39Just to James' comment, I think part of the thesis we had, which he sort of alluded to when we did the transaction, we made sure that we had full exposure to the over 1,000 square kilometers of land package. And if you recall, the surface manifestation of those reserves are only on 26 square kilometers, that half a 1000000000 tons or so, with really the opportunity to find more sort of undiscovered material at depth. And even since we've owned this, which has not been a long time, they've been very successful with limited drilling to date in uncovering that. So I'm very excited to see what evolution can do. And when you have a quiet moment, because I know you I'm sure you have lots of time in reporting season, but go back and look our CFO, Eric, when they acquired Cal as a case study, it's just down the road. Speaker 100:20:30It's a very impressive track record of adding substantial value and unlocking value, which I think they're well positioned to do with this mineral endowment here. Speaker 400:20:41Great. Thanks again, Sean, James and Sheldon. Those are my questions. Thanks once again. Speaker 100:20:46That's great. Thanks, Operator00:21:00And we will take our next question from Annie Jekic with Scotiabank. Your line is open. Speaker 500:21:09Good morning, everyone. I think that's me, Tanya, it's not Annie, but it could be Annie today. Question for Sheldon first and then over to you Sean on just the transaction environment. Sheldon, I was a bit surprised about the G and A level this year and I thought we were going to start to see some of the synergies from the Mavericks transaction on some of the G and A. Would you be able to just talk to us a little bit about how you see your G and A going out? Speaker 500:21:38I was just a bit surprised. I thought we'd see a bit of synergies. Speaker 200:21:43Yes. Hi, Tanya. Thanks. And when you're talking about the G and A, you're talking about like the 2023 or the guidance going forward in Q4? Speaker 500:21:50The guidance going forward. Yes, guidance going forward. I didn't really expect it to occur Sheldon in 2023. I thought we would start seeing it in 2024 and beyond. Speaker 200:22:00Yes. So first, we actually have completely delivered the $7,000,000 in synergies. And you can kind of get there just by looking at the executive team spend at Mavericks, the board costs coming down, audit insurance, office space, like so that $7,000,000 has been fully realized. There's a couple of impacts you're going to see as we go forward. So remember, historically, we're a private company. Speaker 200:22:26We went to the public on TSX, and we also started to experience the New York listing costs. So there's additional costs in that regards and that has D and O costs as well as just other compliance costs. And we also became subject to SOX this year. So you'll see our audit report looks a little different. We're actually fully compliant with SOX in 2023. Speaker 200:22:51That's an accomplishment for the team, but it also involves additional costs and expenses. The other thing is the some of the non cash equity compensation from accounting points of view gets treated, it gets moved in over a number of years. And so you end up with a catch up effect there. But I think we're really coming up to really what our run rate is on a G and A front. And even if we grow the portfolio, we wouldn't expect the G and A to have to grow accordingly. Speaker 200:23:22We'll get that gearing effect and just be able to leverage the platform. Speaker 500:23:26Okay. So we should be thinking of this level going forward? Speaker 200:23:30Yes, that's right. Speaker 500:23:32Okay. Thank you for that, Sheldon. I wanted to just talk a little bit about the transaction environment, if I could. And just what are you seeing out there? And size wise, this morning, we've had Newmont put 8 assets on the block. Speaker 500:23:50So just wanted to talk about, could you see yourself participate obviously in those asset sales, some are in Ghana, some are in Australia, some are in the U. S, Canada? Just your thoughts on this environment and your opportunity. Speaker 100:24:06Yes, Tanya, it's kind of interesting if you zoom back. Well, I guess the first answer to your direct question is yes. We have the firepower and indeed the appetite. So if there is a sensible partnership, we'd obviously look to do that. The deal environment, when I step back and I look at some of the issuers reporting just this period, I'm not saying it's necessarily 2014, which was a very interesting period for the sector to deploy meaningful amounts of capital, but it's starting to feel a little like that. Speaker 100:24:39I think we're seeing a number of sectors coming under pressure from a liquidity point of view, some very big issues who have seen substantial declines in pricing. I'm not talking precious, of course, but polymetallics and others. And it does feel to me with the equity capital markets being not the most supportive for the sector and valuations coming under pressure that I think the opportunity set arguably is actually growing. It's growing in a way that absent some magical rebound in the traditional markets, I think it's setting up well for the sector as a whole. We've had multiple site visits already this year. Speaker 100:25:17We're seeing advanced, in some cases, bilateral opportunities, which we may or may not convert on in the sort of tens of 1,000,000 to sort of 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars. And so that's, I'd say, what's on the menu directly. But even in the last 24 hours, I've had direct inbounds on situations that I think are being made possible by the environment I just described. So the only caveat you would have heard me say even a year ago where we were bilateral on some very large transactions is that I think there's with opportunity comes responsibility. And I think it's a great environment for us to be receiving interesting deal flow opportunity. Speaker 100:26:02But we also are very cognizant of just the overall liquidity risk in this rate environment. We're spending a disproportionate amount of time on what happens when things inevitably don't go to script. So that analysis beyond just the simple IRRs and the stable stakes that you would normally expect from us, I think we've amped that up. So I don't know if that answers it, but we're seeing a lot right now. Speaker 500:26:28And what would the size range be and what would be sort of the upper end of what you would be comfortable to do with your balance sheet? Speaker 100:26:36I mean there are some, I'd say, hard to sort of predict probabilities, but some that are in excess of our financing capability, perhaps be looking at partnerships. But we are seeing several, as I say, in the good return sort of multiple tens of 1,000,000 to sort of $100,000,000 to $300,000,000 type snack bracket, which for us is pretty easily financeable. Speaker 500:27:06Yes. So something over $500,000,000 we can see you do. That would be more Yes. Go ahead. Speaker 100:27:13I mean, as you'd appreciate, Tanya, like the guys on this call have a lot of shares in this company. And I think the very idea of like incurring dilution for the heck of it isn't a great idea. You'd have to have something super interesting of scale. And if there was sort of a almost a generational opportunity, you'd obviously think long and hard about that. But you think in our 8 year history, the histogram of opportunities, the largest actual just pure precious streaming opportunity was North Park. Speaker 100:27:44And we could do North Park today again with our capability with the additional cash generation that comes in. So could we see things bigger? I'm sure we could and we just haven't seen one in the last 8 years. No one gets bought to book. Speaker 500:28:01Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Speaker 100:28:04Yes. Thank Operator00:28:14And we have no further questions at this time. So I will now turn the call back to Mr. Sean Asmar for closing remarks. Speaker 100:28:21Debbie, thank you. I think the questions, we've got quality over quantity, which is wonderful. And I think there's a it's probably a reflection of, I think, what should be straightforward and a good set of results. I'll end by just saying thanks again to my team, our Board, our partners and our investors for their trust. I think it's been a great year. Speaker 100:28:43I think when you step back and consider the outlook we've just provided and you consider it in the context of the sector, I think it should show quite well. And I'm truly appreciative of the platform that we have. It's simple. We've got the growth that we've delivered, I think, should be plain for everyone to see over 8 years now. And we've got a lot of firepower like €50,000,000 of debt basically on the balance sheet at this stage. Speaker 100:29:11And at cash run rates of trailing on about $160,000,000 we're extremely well positioned and I'm excited for what lies ahead. So thank you very much. Wish you well for the rest of the day and that's it. Thanks, Abi. Operator00:29:26Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call and we thank you for your participation. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. My name is Abby, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Triple Flag 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded and all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:37Thank you. And I will now turn the conference over to Sean Asmar, Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Asmar, you may begin. Speaker 100:00:47Debbie, thank you, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Triple Flag's 4th quarter and full year 2023 results. Today, I'm joined by our CFO, Sheldon Vandekoye and our Senior Vice President of Corporate Development, James Dendle. Turning to Slide 4, our business continued its strong performance during the Q4 with sales of roughly 26,000 gold equivalent resulting in US38 $1,000,000 of our operating cash flow during the quarter. On a full year basis, our portfolio generated sales of just over 105,000 gold equivalent ounces, delivering within our guidance range and creating a new record for Triple Flag. This strong performance resulted in US154 $1,000,000 in operating cash flow and US159 $1,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA for 2023, both new records for the company. Speaker 100:01:44In December, Evolution Mining acquired an 80 percent interest in the North Park's copper gold mine in Australia in which Triple Flag retains a 54% gold stream and 80% silver stream. Evolution has a long history of operating in Australia and is poised to continue developing and operating North Parks in the exceptional manner that SeaMOC had previously. North Park is a world class asset having a multi decade mine life and great exploration potential and we expect the high grade E31 deposit to drive a significant increase in 2024 estimated stream deliveries for the asset. Additionally, several of our over 200 developments and exploration stage assets continue to advance, highlighted by exploration success at Hope Bay and updated economic studies at Kone and Eskei Creek. Finally, looking forward to 2024, we're establishing a guidance range of between 105,000 averaging over 140,000 gold equivalent ounces. Speaker 100:02:53This builds on Triple Flag's track record of sector leading growth in gold equivalent ounces over the past 7 years, where we've delivered a cumulative annual growth rate of more than 20% since 2017 and continuing with short and medium term growth well in excess of our intermediate peers for comparable capital deployment, which we have reaffirmed an annual average of 140,000 GEOs. I'll now turn it over to Sheldon to discuss our financials for Q4 and the full year 2023. Speaker 200:03:25Thank you, Sean. We had a strong 4th quarter with the portfolio producing over 26,000 gold equivalent ounces, which resulted in us achieving our full year 2023 guidance with a final total of over 105,000 gold equivalent ounces. This resulted in records for both revenues and operating cash flow during 2023, supporting our investment thesis for the Mavericks transaction more than a year ago. Operating cash flow per share is a very key metric for me, and I'm pleased to say that we increased slightly for the year from $0.76 per share to $0.77 per share. This reflects accretive growth for the year. Speaker 200:03:59It was a solid quarter and a solid year. Our dividend has been maintained at $0.21 on an annualized basis, which resulted in Triple Flag paying out over $40,000,000 in dividends to shareholders in 2023. We have increased our dividend every year since our IPO and as the year progresses, we'll consider the potential to continue that track record. In addition to our dividend, we also returned over $28,000,000 to shareholders via share buybacks. As of December 31, 2023, we have 9,900,000 shares of remaining capacity under the current NCIB. Speaker 200:04:33I'd also like to comment on our strong balance sheet. We exited 2023 with just over $40,000,000 in net debt. In Q4, we had operating cash flow of $37,000,000 So our net debt represents just over 1 quarter's cash flow. This positions us very well, allowing us to make capital allocation decisions to benefit shareholders through new acquisitions, share buybacks or dividends. I'll turn now to slide 6. Speaker 200:05:00Our portfolio has shown consistent growth since our inception. 2023 was a record for operating cash flow, free cash flow and adjusted EBITDA, each increasing significantly from 2022 due to the acquisition of Mavericks Metals as well as other royalties acquired during the year such as Stahl and Agbaou. Consistent margins result in efficient translation of revenue and cash flow available to shareholders. Our portfolio has significant embedded production growth. As production grows and further aided by a beneficial gold price environment, we expect our free cash flow to grow due to both the price and the volume impact. Speaker 200:05:39Moving to Slide 7, we have highlighted here 3 very important aspects of our portfolio, namely asset diversification, precious metals focus and a portfolio which is predominantly centered in the Americas and Australia. Our revenue is well diversified across our portfolio. Cerro Lindo and North Park are our biggest contributors during the year, representing 22% 14% of annual revenue respectively. Cerro Lindo was our first investment. In 2016, we invested $250,000,000 in Silverstream. Speaker 200:06:12I am very pleased in Q4, we achieved a significant milestone of having recovered all of our initial investment in Cerro Lindo. Demonstrating the strength of the streaming model, Terralindo has a current remaining mine life of over 8 years. We're going to benefit from this stream for a great deal of time to come. And my expectation is that over time mine life will continue to be extended as it has in the past. Moving on, the investment thesis for Triple Flag is for a strong pure play royalty and streaming company focused on precious metals. Speaker 200:06:43This has not changed since our inception in 2016. Gold and silver account for roughly 95% of our revenues amongst the highest in the sector. Our portfolio is centered in mining friendly jurisdictions. Jurisdiction matters. Our single greatest country concentration is in Australia. Speaker 200:07:01Our Australian producing assets include North Parks, Fosterville and Beta Hunt as well as a number of smaller contributors, including STAL. I'd like to now turn to Slide 8. Slide 8 sets out our production growth since we were founded in 2016. In 2017, we produced 33,000 gold equivalent ounces. By 2023, that had increased to 105,000 ounces, a 3 times increase and a compound annual growth rate of over 20%. Speaker 200:07:31Looking forward, we expect this growth to continue in 2024 with our 2024 guidance being between 105 1,000,115,000 gold equivalent ounces. We also expect this growth to continue for the next 5 years as we are expecting our gold equivalent ounces to average over 140,000 ounces from 2025 to 2029. Importantly, this is by organic growth from assets already within our portfolio and does not include any additional acquisitions that may occur. This production growth will efficiently translate into increased cash flow for shareholders. Turning now to Slide 9, I'd like to provide some additional guidance on financial metrics. Speaker 200:08:18We've already stated our GEO guidance of 105 due to the processing of higher gold grade open pit material at E31 and the E31 North, which Sean will discuss further. Depletion is expected to be between $70,000,000 $80,000,000 higher than the prior year given the growth in gold equivalent ounce production, while our G and A will be between $23,000,000 $24,000,000 Finally, our Australian cash tax rate for Australian royalties will be approximately 25%, consistent with the 24% rate that was realized in 2023. Over to you, Sean. Speaker 100:09:03Thanks, Sean. I just want to spend a moment talking a bit about North Parks as a cornerstone asset. As mentioned, North Parks was acquired by Evolution Mining in December of last year. North Park is positioned in Evolution's backyard and in one of Australia's most prospective gold copper belts in New South Wales, which I will highlight in a later slide. Evolution brings significant expertise in large scale underground caving operations from its Ernest Henry mine, having a skill set and experience that is well suited for a large scale porphyry operation such as North Parks. Speaker 100:09:37And as you can see on the next slide, mining of E-thirty one open pits at North Parks is well underway and we expect these high gold grade pits to contribute materially to our gold equivalent ounce profile starting this year. On Slide 12, you can see that Evolution has had great success with developing and optimizing prior acquisitions like the Cowal mine, which is proximate to North Park. Since acquiring the mine in 2015 from Barrick, Evolution has successfully delivered sustainable production, reserve and resource growth and major capital projects. The savvy approach to investing and adding mine life and capacity to create shareholder value in a mine regionally proximate to North Park's bodes well for our interest in this mine with our new partner. And we're excited to help investors appreciate the world class quality of our gold and silver stream on this cornerstone asset as evolution shows the market what value they can unlock in the years ahead. Speaker 100:10:32I'll hand over to James now to discuss Hope Bay. Speaker 300:10:36Thanks, Sean. Touching on one of our exploration assets that has generated significant news flow over the last year. Hope Bay is a multi deposit gold project operated by Agnico Eagle, of which Triplefly calls a 1% NSR royalty. Agnico is undertaking an extensive exploration program at Hope Bay with 2023 drilling totaling more than 125,000 meters and 2024 exploration budgets of $22,000,000 focusing on high potential areas of Madrid and Doris. The results from an internal technical evaluation are expected to be reported in 2025 targeting a larger production restart scenario. Speaker 300:11:21On Page 14, you can see the size of the land package at Hope Bay and the multiple deposits and exploration targets that Agnico Eagle has identified. Of particular interest is the target area in the vicinity of Patch 7 in the center of the long section, which has delivered strong results including 16.3 grams a ton gold over 28.6 meters at a depth of 385 meters and 12.7 grams per ton gold over 4.6 meters at a depth of 6 77 meters. As one of the exploration and development stage assets that we were excited about when acquiring Madrix Metals, we're happy to see our thesis play out and look forward to seeing Agnico Eagle continue to develop this project. Back to you, Sean. Speaker 100:12:09Thank you. So as this snapshot demonstrates, Triple Flag's outlook is overwhelmingly positive. With a ramp up 5 power of roughly US660 $1,000,000 in available liquidity, a broad base of 235 assets, our 8 consecutive sales record projected for the year ahead with guidance of 105,000 to 115,000 gold equivalent ounces and a 5 year average annual production outlook of 140,000 gold equivalent ounces. We're excited to continue growing Triple Flag into a leader in the sector with our top sustainability ratings and our prudent capital allocation decisions. With the Board and management team being large shareholders ourselves, we are completely aligned in ensuring the best outcomes for all stakeholders and are looking forward to what 2024 has to offer. Speaker 100:12:56So with that, Abby, please open the floor to any questions. Operator00:13:01Thank you. We'll take our first question from Cosmos Chiu with CIBC. Your line is open. Speaker 400:13:25Thank you, Sean, Sheldon and James, and congrats on a very strong 2023. Maybe my first question is on North Parks. Good to see evolution taking over North Parks. And Sean, you talked about some of the benefits. But I'm just wondering, still early days, but have there been any positive changes at North Parks that you can share with us? Speaker 100:13:52Cosmo, firstly, I think it's a point we had made. Firstly, thank you for the praise. I've got a great team and we're really very proud of them and what this team has achieved. But to your point on North Park, I just want to take a moment because you've traveled this journey with us. I know that we've had perhaps some of the, I'd say, best access and disclosure on North Parks, but really and China, Molly, were great partners. Speaker 100:14:19But they really didn't have the same sort of reporting disclosures that I think we'll see under Evolution. So I guess in the short term, it's only months since Evolution has acquired the business that they've only just put out jaw compliant reserve statements. We expect in the coming months, they're going to be highly motivated to unveil their studies and their vision for this. So, it's premature for us to certainly front run them. But the business is it has multiple ore bodies, it's well set up, E31, E31 North is timed beautifully for this year and next year to deliver very, very material gold ounce growth for our portfolio. Speaker 100:15:02We're actually having dinner with the team on Sunday nights and so we'll get further updates and we're going to keep the market informed. I think just conceptually, one of the great royalties in this sector is Melartic, that's no secret. You think of this asset with a longer life, a similar NAV for our company as it is to Cisco, but really with a growing ounce profile and actually a longer life and that's before evolution have engaged. And it's not to say one is bad, one is good. These are both great assets. Speaker 100:15:32Our job is really to work on the coattails of evolution and what they see, hopefully similar to what they've done at Cowal and to really showcase this asset in the very same way that people come to associate Malartic with the Cisco, it truly is that world class and I think that's what we would like investors to appreciate. I think with Evolution, their track record and also their disclosure obligations that will unveil itself in the weeks and months ahead. I'll see if James or Sheldon have any other comments they wish to add. Speaker 300:16:04Yes, Charles, I'll just reinforce Sean's point. Sea market tremendous operator and really ran North Parks very, very well. And many of the operating team are consistent from Rio Tinto days, CMOC days and now on to Evolution with a few changes here and there. But really, there's some similarity in the operating team. If you look at Evolution's comments publicly, they're focused on the plan as expected. Speaker 300:16:33They point to the size of the mineral inventory. As a reminder, we're talking about a 500,000,000 ton resource that's currently being chipped away at 7,600,000 tons per year. So scope to maybe grow that throughput given the size of the mineral endowment. They've also stated a focus on immediate drilling to target near mine mineralization at surface and also some of the deeper portions of E48. So we think they're looking at it exactly the right way. Speaker 300:17:02We've always been convinced that surface and exploration at North Park is very limited and really was focused on pitfall material. I mean there's tremendous possibility of depth. So I think that reflects quite well with regards to how Evolution is looking at the asset, but we'll see how they go with disclosing their plans over Speaker 100:17:22the course Speaker 300:17:22of the year. Speaker 100:17:24Great. Thanks. And that's I'll give you a flavor. Watch this space, there should be more to come. Speaker 400:17:30Of course, yes. And maybe as a follow-up, on the MD and A yesterday, you mentioned short term at North Park, the growth is coming from E31 and E31 North, the open pits. Longer term, it's potentially coming from the E22 underground. Could you maybe help us understand or describe once again the evolution of the asset, the sort of life of mind of the open pits and what needs to be done in terms of the underground and just kind of wrap it all together for us quickly if possible? Speaker 100:18:07Sure. James, do you want to touch on that? Speaker 300:18:08Yes, sure. And this is a good refresher. If you think about North Park historically, it was a series of relatively small open pits targeting copper mineralization more or less surface back in the mid-90s. Over time those pits have been developed And of course, at the time it was north, then Rio Tinto discovered the deeper rooted porphyry system beneath the pits. And the mines transition progressively from shallow pits to very sophisticated block caves and narrow mines a series of block caves predominantly in a number of supplementary open pits. Speaker 300:18:43So that's been the history of the mine. There are numerous open pit targets across the property. So we'd expect some contribution of open pits to continue into the future. But as you know, Karl, the real sustained growth is from the development of E22. And when you look at E22, we're talking about a grade that's quite in excess from gold point of view versus the current mine grade, so 0.37 grams a ton. Speaker 300:19:13So that provides for a longer period of increased gold output. The open pits at E31 are by design relatively small and relatively short lived. So they'll provide production this year and into the next part of 2025. But really, the set of sustained gold output is from E22, which is an important development that I know evolution is also focused. Speaker 100:19:39Just to James' comment, I think part of the thesis we had, which he sort of alluded to when we did the transaction, we made sure that we had full exposure to the over 1,000 square kilometers of land package. And if you recall, the surface manifestation of those reserves are only on 26 square kilometers, that half a 1000000000 tons or so, with really the opportunity to find more sort of undiscovered material at depth. And even since we've owned this, which has not been a long time, they've been very successful with limited drilling to date in uncovering that. So I'm very excited to see what evolution can do. And when you have a quiet moment, because I know you I'm sure you have lots of time in reporting season, but go back and look our CFO, Eric, when they acquired Cal as a case study, it's just down the road. Speaker 100:20:30It's a very impressive track record of adding substantial value and unlocking value, which I think they're well positioned to do with this mineral endowment here. Speaker 400:20:41Great. Thanks again, Sean, James and Sheldon. Those are my questions. Thanks once again. Speaker 100:20:46That's great. Thanks, Operator00:21:00And we will take our next question from Annie Jekic with Scotiabank. Your line is open. Speaker 500:21:09Good morning, everyone. I think that's me, Tanya, it's not Annie, but it could be Annie today. Question for Sheldon first and then over to you Sean on just the transaction environment. Sheldon, I was a bit surprised about the G and A level this year and I thought we were going to start to see some of the synergies from the Mavericks transaction on some of the G and A. Would you be able to just talk to us a little bit about how you see your G and A going out? Speaker 500:21:38I was just a bit surprised. I thought we'd see a bit of synergies. Speaker 200:21:43Yes. Hi, Tanya. Thanks. And when you're talking about the G and A, you're talking about like the 2023 or the guidance going forward in Q4? Speaker 500:21:50The guidance going forward. Yes, guidance going forward. I didn't really expect it to occur Sheldon in 2023. I thought we would start seeing it in 2024 and beyond. Speaker 200:22:00Yes. So first, we actually have completely delivered the $7,000,000 in synergies. And you can kind of get there just by looking at the executive team spend at Mavericks, the board costs coming down, audit insurance, office space, like so that $7,000,000 has been fully realized. There's a couple of impacts you're going to see as we go forward. So remember, historically, we're a private company. Speaker 200:22:26We went to the public on TSX, and we also started to experience the New York listing costs. So there's additional costs in that regards and that has D and O costs as well as just other compliance costs. And we also became subject to SOX this year. So you'll see our audit report looks a little different. We're actually fully compliant with SOX in 2023. Speaker 200:22:51That's an accomplishment for the team, but it also involves additional costs and expenses. The other thing is the some of the non cash equity compensation from accounting points of view gets treated, it gets moved in over a number of years. And so you end up with a catch up effect there. But I think we're really coming up to really what our run rate is on a G and A front. And even if we grow the portfolio, we wouldn't expect the G and A to have to grow accordingly. Speaker 200:23:22We'll get that gearing effect and just be able to leverage the platform. Speaker 500:23:26Okay. So we should be thinking of this level going forward? Speaker 200:23:30Yes, that's right. Speaker 500:23:32Okay. Thank you for that, Sheldon. I wanted to just talk a little bit about the transaction environment, if I could. And just what are you seeing out there? And size wise, this morning, we've had Newmont put 8 assets on the block. Speaker 500:23:50So just wanted to talk about, could you see yourself participate obviously in those asset sales, some are in Ghana, some are in Australia, some are in the U. S, Canada? Just your thoughts on this environment and your opportunity. Speaker 100:24:06Yes, Tanya, it's kind of interesting if you zoom back. Well, I guess the first answer to your direct question is yes. We have the firepower and indeed the appetite. So if there is a sensible partnership, we'd obviously look to do that. The deal environment, when I step back and I look at some of the issuers reporting just this period, I'm not saying it's necessarily 2014, which was a very interesting period for the sector to deploy meaningful amounts of capital, but it's starting to feel a little like that. Speaker 100:24:39I think we're seeing a number of sectors coming under pressure from a liquidity point of view, some very big issues who have seen substantial declines in pricing. I'm not talking precious, of course, but polymetallics and others. And it does feel to me with the equity capital markets being not the most supportive for the sector and valuations coming under pressure that I think the opportunity set arguably is actually growing. It's growing in a way that absent some magical rebound in the traditional markets, I think it's setting up well for the sector as a whole. We've had multiple site visits already this year. Speaker 100:25:17We're seeing advanced, in some cases, bilateral opportunities, which we may or may not convert on in the sort of tens of 1,000,000 to sort of 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars. And so that's, I'd say, what's on the menu directly. But even in the last 24 hours, I've had direct inbounds on situations that I think are being made possible by the environment I just described. So the only caveat you would have heard me say even a year ago where we were bilateral on some very large transactions is that I think there's with opportunity comes responsibility. And I think it's a great environment for us to be receiving interesting deal flow opportunity. Speaker 100:26:02But we also are very cognizant of just the overall liquidity risk in this rate environment. We're spending a disproportionate amount of time on what happens when things inevitably don't go to script. So that analysis beyond just the simple IRRs and the stable stakes that you would normally expect from us, I think we've amped that up. So I don't know if that answers it, but we're seeing a lot right now. Speaker 500:26:28And what would the size range be and what would be sort of the upper end of what you would be comfortable to do with your balance sheet? Speaker 100:26:36I mean there are some, I'd say, hard to sort of predict probabilities, but some that are in excess of our financing capability, perhaps be looking at partnerships. But we are seeing several, as I say, in the good return sort of multiple tens of 1,000,000 to sort of $100,000,000 to $300,000,000 type snack bracket, which for us is pretty easily financeable. Speaker 500:27:06Yes. So something over $500,000,000 we can see you do. That would be more Yes. Go ahead. Speaker 100:27:13I mean, as you'd appreciate, Tanya, like the guys on this call have a lot of shares in this company. And I think the very idea of like incurring dilution for the heck of it isn't a great idea. You'd have to have something super interesting of scale. And if there was sort of a almost a generational opportunity, you'd obviously think long and hard about that. But you think in our 8 year history, the histogram of opportunities, the largest actual just pure precious streaming opportunity was North Park. Speaker 100:27:44And we could do North Park today again with our capability with the additional cash generation that comes in. So could we see things bigger? I'm sure we could and we just haven't seen one in the last 8 years. No one gets bought to book. Speaker 500:28:01Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Speaker 100:28:04Yes. Thank Operator00:28:14And we have no further questions at this time. So I will now turn the call back to Mr. Sean Asmar for closing remarks. Speaker 100:28:21Debbie, thank you. I think the questions, we've got quality over quantity, which is wonderful. And I think there's a it's probably a reflection of, I think, what should be straightforward and a good set of results. I'll end by just saying thanks again to my team, our Board, our partners and our investors for their trust. I think it's been a great year. Speaker 100:28:43I think when you step back and consider the outlook we've just provided and you consider it in the context of the sector, I think it should show quite well. And I'm truly appreciative of the platform that we have. It's simple. We've got the growth that we've delivered, I think, should be plain for everyone to see over 8 years now. And we've got a lot of firepower like €50,000,000 of debt basically on the balance sheet at this stage. Speaker 100:29:11And at cash run rates of trailing on about $160,000,000 we're extremely well positioned and I'm excited for what lies ahead. So thank you very much. Wish you well for the rest of the day and that's it. Thanks, Abi. Operator00:29:26Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call and we thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by