Playa Hotels & Resorts Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 23, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Playa Hotels and Resorts 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Release and Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ryan Hymel with the company. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much, Drew. Good morning, everyone, and welcome again to Playa Hotels and Resorts Q4 2023 earnings conference call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind participants that many of our comments today will be considered forward looking statements and are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from what has been communicated. Forward looking statements made today are effective only as of today, the company undertakes no obligation to update forward looking statements. For a discussion of some of the risk factors that could cause our results to differ, please review the Risk Factors section of our Annual Report on Form 10 ks, which we filed last night with the SEC.

Speaker 1

We've updated our Investor Relations website at investors. Resorts.com with the company's recent releases. In addition, reconciliations to GAAP of the non GAAP financial measures we discuss on today's call were included in yesterday's press release. On the call today, Bruce Wardinski, FLYA's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, will provide comments on the Q4 demand trends and key operational highlights. I will then review the Q4 results and our outlook for 2024.

Speaker 1

Bruce will wrap up the call with some concluding remarks before we turn it over to Q and A. With that, I'll turn it over to Bruce. Great.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ryan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Our 4th quarter results exceeded our expectations, coming in well above the high end of our expected range. The better than expected results were broad based across our segments, driven by strong demand during the high season. Before we dive in, I'd like to remind everyone that Hurricane Fiona hit the Dominican Republic in late September of 2022, causing us to temporarily close the Hyatt Ziva and Zilara Cap Cana and Hilton La Romana Resorts for repairs for a portion of the 3rd and 4th quarters of 2022.

Speaker 2

We estimate this had a $5,400,000 negative impact net of business interruption proceeds on adjusted EBITDA in Q4 2022, but was an approximate 70 basis points benefit to our reported Q4 2022 owned resort EBITDA margin as there were no corresponding revenues accompanying the business interruption proceeds we received. Comparability of our KPIs for the Q4 is further challenged by the fact that the affected resorts reopened for only the highest ADR portion of the quarter. Playa's owned resort EBITDA of $73,600,000 in the Q4 of 2023 included a significant year over year foreign currency exchange headwind of approximately $5,600,000 due to the appreciation of the Mexican peso, a benefit from business interruption proceeds of approximately $900,000 and negative EBITDA at the Jewel Resorts in the Dominican Republic. For Q4 2023, we estimate that the FX headwinds had a negative 250 basis points impact on both our reported owned resort EBITDA margin as well as for our legacy portfolio, which excludes the Jewel Resorts in the Dominican Republic. Adjusting for all of these factors, underlying adjusted EBITDA growth for our legacy portfolio was approximately 6% during the Q4.

Speaker 2

Finally, we have included a breakout of segment financial KPIs excluding the Doctor. Jewel Resorts for the Q4 full year 2023 on Pages 1720 of our earnings release to help you with your modeling and provide a frame of reference for the impact on our financials from these significantly lower ADR Resorts. For our discussion today, commentary on comparable full year 2024 KPIs is synonymous with our legacy portfolio as the Jewel Palm Beach was closed for a portion of Q1 2023 and the Jewel Punta Cana was sold during Q4 2023 and thus would not be comparable for the full year metrics. As we outlined earlier in 2023, our expectation was that the Q1 would represent the highest year over year ADR and EBITDA growth in 2023 as we lap the impact from Omicron in early 2022 and growth would normalize as we enter the second half of twenty twenty three as the base comparison period had less noise. Additionally, based on our pacing and booking data, we were of the belief that the brief slowdown in bookings experienced ahead of the summer travel season was likely the result of pent up demand for European travel, and not indicative of weak demand for traditional winter travel to beach and warm weather destinations.

Speaker 2

This view largely came to fruition during the Q4 of 2020 3 as close to demand during the high season, particularly in Mexico exceeded our expectations and aided our ADR growth as these peak season bookings came at healthy rates. Our results in the Yucatan were quite exceptional on a currency adjusted basis with occupancy nearing 4th quarter 2018 2019 levels. Our Q4 2022 Yucatan ADR reflected multiple favorable true up adjustments. Excluding these adjustments, underlying 4th quarter ADR in the Yucatan increased approximately 2% year over year. The most remarkable aspect of our Q4 in the Yucatan, however, was the continued execution by our operations teams in Mexico, which were able to grow currency neutral margins approximately 100 basis points year over year on modest reported ADR growth.

Speaker 2

As you may recall, following the realignment of key management personnel, we've been revisiting various processes, staffing models and procurement practices since the Q2 of 2023 and the results of our efforts really began to show in the second half of the year as ADR growth moderated. As we've mentioned on previous earnings calls, the process improvement will be iterative and we will continue increasing efficiency where possible to help offset the impacts of rising wages and inflation in various expense categories. We believe we can hold FX neutral margin steady year over year in the Yucatan in 2024 on positive low single digit to mid single digit ADR growth despite underlying wage pressure continuing. In the Pacific, close in demand helped ADR growth in this segment as well, partially offset by year over year occupancy declines as a result of hurricanes Norma and Lydia and our ongoing renovation work. We estimate that hurricanes Norma and Lydia negatively impacted segment EBITDA by approximately $1,000,000 to $1,250,000 in the quarter.

Speaker 2

Similar to the Yucatan, the Pacific was able to grow margins on a currency neutral basis by approximately 290 basis points year over year despite significant wage pressure. We expect to continue our renovation work in this segment during 2024, which should further help sustain rate growth in the future as the Hyatt Los Cabos had not had any major renovation work done since the significant renovation that occurred following Hurricane Odile in 2014. In the Doctor, fundamental strength during the Q4 was led by the Hyatt Cap Cana, which continues to be the preeminent resort in one of the top resort markets in the world and was our best performing resort in Q4. Results in the segment were hindered by the Jewel Resorts, which posted a modest loss in Q4. As a reminder, we completed the sale of the Jewel Punta Cana in late December and the Jewel Palm Beach was closed for a significant portion of Q1 2023, which we expect will provide a meaningful year over year increase in EBITDA during Q1 2024.

Speaker 2

The two resorts combined for an EBITDA loss of approximately $15,000,000 in 2023 with the Jewel Palm Beach's loss in the 4th quarter narrowing to just under $1,000,000 We are still actively pursuing a sale of Jewel Palm Beach, but do not have any updates on the status of the sale process at this time. Finally, Jamaica had another solid quarter with occupancy increasing slightly year over year along with mid single digit ADR growth, despite a significant headwind from lower mice group mix year over year. The segment was off to a good start in 2024, but the U. S. State Department's travel advisory notice for Jamaica on January 23 has had a negative impact on the segment near term as cancellations picked up meaningfully.

Speaker 2

Although the warning doesn't pertain to our resorts as much as the major metro areas and the fact that the level of the travel advisory was unchanged from the prior advisory, the press coverage of this advisory notice was significantly greater than prior warnings. Bookings in Jamaica have since stabilized, but the majority of the cancellations were for stays in the coming months and will be difficult to backfill. Given the warning level was not based on any new incidents or data, the impact of this, while unfortunate, will likely be confined to lost bookings in March through June. Looking at demand as a whole, demand for the Q4 of 2023 and beyond improved in July of last year, continued to accelerate through the 3rd quarter and remained healthy in the Q4. In aggregate, during the Q4 of 2023, 47.4 percent of Playa owned and managed transit revenues booked were booked direct, down 460 basis points year over year.

Speaker 2

The decline was driven by fewer World of Hyatt redemption bookings following a spike during the Q1 of 2023 ahead of a change in the conversion rate per point redemptions, which pulled forward quite a bit of demand. We expect this to smooth out over time and believe we are in line with our targeted 50% trainseed direct book revenue mix. During the Q4 of 2023, playaresorts.com accounted for approximately 13.6% of our total Playa owned and managed transient room night bookings, continuing to be a critical factor in our customer sourcing and ADR gains. Taking a look at who is traveling, roughly 43.3 percent of the Playa owned and managed room night space in the quarter came from our direct channels. Geographically, the biggest change in our guest mix during the Q4 was our European and Mexican sourced guest mix, both of which were up nearly 300 basis points year over year.

Speaker 2

Our agent sourced guest mix improved modestly year over year, but remains the most depressed as it is still only approximately 20 5% recovered versus pre pandemic levels. Our Canadian guest mix has remained relatively muted at approximately 60% recovered versus pre pandemic levels. However, there's recently been a significant increase in flight capacity into our markets from Canada for the high season. So I'm optimistic our Canadian guest mix will improve in the coming months. Our visibility remains a critical factor of our success as our booking window was just over 3 months during the Q4.

Speaker 2

In total, while 2023 was a very successful year for Playa on many fronts, we faced significant headwinds that mask the robust performance in our core portfolio. However, our focus on execution and the stellar fundamentals should shine brighter in the near future as the profit headwinds are expected to abate. Starting in the Q1, we will begin to lap the significant profit decline at the 2 JUUL properties in the Dominican Republic. At current U. S.

Speaker 2

Dollar Mexican peso spot FX rates, we expect FX pressure to ease significantly beginning in Q3 2024 and we will be lapping the significant increase in our insurance expense in Q2 2024 as well. Finally, on the capital allocation front, we repurchased approximately $33,500,000 worth of Playa stock during the 4th quarter and an additional $14,600,000 thus far in the Q1, bringing our total repurchases since resuming our program in September 2022 to approximately $245,000,000 or approximately 20% of the shares outstanding. We continue to believe that our significant free cash flow generation is underappreciated given the modest amount of ROI driven CapEx expected in the near term and continued healthy business fundamentals. Once again, I would like to thank all of our associates who have continued to deliver world class service in the face of unexpected challenges and rising operating costs. Their unwavering passion and dedication to service from the heart is what truly sets Playa apart.

Speaker 2

With that, I will turn the call back over to Ryan to discuss the balance sheet and our outlook.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Bruce. Good morning again everyone. I'll begin again with the recap of the segment fundamentals, followed by an overview of balance sheet and expected uses of cash and concluded with our outlook for 2024. Before I begin my review, I'd like to remind everyone that starting in the Q1 of 2023, we elected to reclassify on premise room upgrade revenue from non package revenue to package revenue to be consistent with industry trends. We've recasted prior periods to conform with the current period presentation.

Speaker 1

A reconciliation of these changes made to the prior reporting period for 2021 2022 can be found in our investor deck on Slide 5. As Bruce mentioned, there are some unique items affecting the comparability of our financials in the second half of twenty 23 that I'd like to remind you of before we dive in. 1st, Hurricane Fiona hit the Dominican Republic towards the end of Q3 2022 and caused significant disruption at the Hilton La Romana and the Hyatt Cap Cana, which we chose to temporarily close for a small portion of Q3 2022 and over half of Q4 2022. We shared on our previous earnings calls that we estimate the EBITDA impact to be to Q3 2022 to be roughly $3,000,000 approximately 80 to 90 basis points to resort EBITDA margins. And for the Q4 of 2022, a $5,400,000 EBITDA impact net of business interruption.

Speaker 1

Given the pronounced seasonality of our ADRs during the Q4, these resorts were disproportionately opened during the much higher ADR portion of the quarter skewing our Q4 2022 ADR comparisons. Secondly, the Mexican peso had a very large year over year change during the Q4 of 2023, which negatively impacted our EBITDA by approximately $5,500,000 and resort margins by 2 50 basis points. For full year 2023, the strengthening of the Mexican peso had an approximately $24,100,000 impact on our owned resort EBITDA or 2 60 basis points and a $24,500,000 impact on our total adjusted EBITDA. Thirdly, during the Q4 of 2022, as we've mentioned previously, we had several adjustments that significantly increased the reported Q4 2022 ADRs. The largest of these was related to an advanced pricing agreement rates in the Dominican Republic, which we detailed in our Q4 2022 earnings release on Page 17.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, these adjustments totaled nearly $10 of ADR or 2.5%. 4th, business interruption. We recognized again a gain of roughly $900,000 from BI proceeds during the Q4 of 2023, which increased owned resort EBITDA margins by approximately 40 basis points. As a reminder, for the full year of 2023, we recognized a gain of $6,100,000 from business interruption proceeds and recoverable expenses. And lastly, as we've mentioned, the Doctor jewels, these resorts continue to weigh on the performance of the portfolio in 2023, negatively impacting owned resort EBITDA margins by over 2 50 basis points for the Q4.

Speaker 1

And for the full year 2023, the 2 resorts recorded an EBITDA loss of approximately $15,000,000 and negatively impacted own resort margins by approximately 2 80 basis points. And now moving on to the fundamentals. Before I begin, all references to expense and margin KPIs are on a currency neutral basis unless otherwise stated. Our 4th quarter results were ahead of our expectations as demand steadily picked up throughout the quarter. Higher demand and easing pressure from food and beverage and utilities expenses again on an FX neutral basis as well as our cost efficiency measures led to a reported resort margin decline of about 2 90 basis points, which again included a 2 50 basis point year over year headwind from foreign exchange and a 40 basis point benefit from business interruption proceeds and a 70 basis point headwind from the 2 Jewel Resorts in the Dominican.

Speaker 1

So adjusting for foreign exchange and business interruption in the prior period and this period, our legacy portfolio maintained margins on a year over year basis. The higher demand for ADR gains in the quarter was very broad based with all segments reporting year over year ADR growth excluding the 2 JUUL reserves in the Doctor. On the cost front, food and beverage costs continue to be favorable as a result of lower input prices and cost efficiency efforts by our operations team. Utilities and labor were also favorable in the quarter with the latter reflecting efficiency measures as wage inflation continues to remain a headwind. As Bruce mentioned, we're undertaking efforts to streamline and improve our procurement process across the entire portfolio to take advantage of our scale.

Speaker 1

These efforts are really just beginning to bear fruit from the heavy lifting undertaken thus far in 2023 and we expect the benefits to accelerate as the company moves into 20 24 and beyond as our cost are averaging currently mid single digits to high single digit improvements per category. We estimate that we've only penetrated roughly 30% of the potential addressable procurement savings thus far with half of the savings flowing into our costs during the Q4 of 2023. Now turning to our MICE Group business. Our 2024 net MICE Group business on the books is approximately $62,000,000 up roughly 23% compared to the same time last year. Our MICE business on the books for 2024 is much more balanced versus 2023, which as a reminder had difficult year over year MICE comparisons in the second half versus what we traditionally experienced.

Speaker 1

Finally turning to the balance sheet. We finished the quarter with total cash balance of $272,500,000 and total outstanding interest bearing debt of $1,090,000,000 We currently have no outstanding borrowings on our $225,000,000 revolving credit facility. Our net leverage on a trailing basis stands at approximately 3 times excluding leases. We anticipate our cash CapEx spend for full year 2024 to approximately $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 for the year, partitioned out between $35,000,000 to $40,000,000 for maintenance CapEx and the remainder designated for ROI oriented projects. Also as a reminder, effective April 15, we entered into 2 interest rate swaps to mitigate the floating interest rate risk in our term loan due 2029.

Speaker 1

We entered into a 2 3 year contract, both of which have fixed notional amounts of $275,000,000 and carry fixed SOFR rates of 4.05% and 3.71% respectively. Separately, we've implemented foreign exchange hedges on approximately half of our Mexican peso exposure for 2024, which should greatly reduce the volatility of the impact of our reported EBITDA this year. Based on exchange rates at the times we entered into the FX swaps, we estimate the full year 2024 FX impact from the Mexican peso to be approximately $7,000,000 to $11,000,000 But again, with nearly 75% of that impact coming in Q1 of 2024 and nearly 100% of that impact in the first half of the year. On the capital allocation front, as Bruce mentioned, we repurchased an additional $33,500,000 of stock during the 4th quarter, an additional $14,600,000 thus far in Q1 of 2024. Since we began repurchasing shares since last September, we purchased over 32,800,000 shares or as Bruce mentioned nearly 20 of the shares outstanding.

Speaker 1

We still have over $185,000,000 or $180,000,000 remaining on our existing repurchase authorization. And with our leverage ratios at or near 3 times, the anticipated free cash flow generation of the business and the attractive valuation of our stock, we believe repurchasing shares is a very compelling use of capital and intend to use our discretionary capital to repurchase shares going forward depending on market conditions. Now turning our attention to our outlook for 2024. As we mentioned in our release, we expect our full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA to be between $250,000,000 to $275,000,000 which includes the following key considerations and inputs. The first, it assumes ADR growth of mid single digits for the total portfolio and low single digits for the comparable legacy portfolio.

Speaker 1

The driving force of the delta between these two is a positive approximately 360 basis point impact from removing the lower ADR room night in the mix from the recently sold Jewel Punta Cana, partially offset by the ramping occupancy at Jewel Palm Beach. Occupancy, we expect to be up mid single digits mid single percentage points for the total portfolio and up modestly for the comparable legacy portfolio. We expect RevPAR growth of low double digits for the total portfolio and low single digits to mid single digits for the comparable portfolio. We estimate that the disposition of the Jewel Punta Cana and the ramping occupancy at the Jewel Palm Beach contributes approximately 900 basis points to 20 24 RevPAR, with the vast majority of that contribution being from result of disposing of the Juul Punta Cana and only a modest contribution to RevPAR from the Juul Palm Beach, improving occupancy is partially offset by the negative mix of ADR. Again, as we mentioned, we assume FX headwinds of $7,000,000 to $11,000,000 based on current exchange rates.

Speaker 1

And we expect construction disruption impact of approximately mid single digit to high single digit EBITDA in the Pacific and at the Hyatt Zilara Cancun. Inflation, as we mentioned several times on this call, we've been diligently working to improve our efficiency and we believe we've lowered our margin leverage hurdle to approximately 4% ADR rate growth to hold margins flat on a currency and business interruption adjusted basis. And then lastly, we expect a modest negative net impact from annualized and corporate expense increases from 2023, again partially offset by higher and growing fee income from our managed business and the Playa collection fees. And with regards to the cadence, we expect the Q1 to show the most robust profit in the year given the Q1 2023 comparison, which as a reminder included a $5,000,000 loss at the Doctor. Jules.

Speaker 1

So again, to sum this up, at the midpoint, this $250,000,000 to $275,000,000 range represents approximately 1% decline year over year versus the business interruption adjusted $265,800,000 figure that we reported in 2023. So moving on to the Q1. For the Q1 of 20 24, we expect reported occupancy to

Speaker 2

be in the low to

Speaker 1

mid-eighty percent and reported package ADR to decline low single digits year over year basis, again due to the Jewel Palm Beach. However, comparable legacy portfolio ADR is expected to grow low single digits. We expect owned resort EBITDA margins to decline year over year given the continuing FX headwinds in Mexico, which are expected to negatively impact margins by approximately 200 basis points at today's spot rates. Putting it all together, we expect Q1 owned resort EBITDA of $108,000,000 to $114,000,000 via collection and management fee income of roughly $2,000,000 to $3,500,000 corporate expense of approximately $14,000,000 to 15,000,000 dollars which again includes a negative FX impact related to our office in Mexico and finally, Q1 adjusted EBITDA of $98,000,000 to $104,000,000 Given our booking window, we are currently 96% booked for the Q1. I hope that framework helps guide you as you fine tune your models and gives further insight to what we're seeing and expecting.

Speaker 1

With that, I'll turn it back over to Bruce for some concluding remarks.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks, Ryan. So the year is off to a good start with solid top line growth despite the setback in Jamaica from the travel Pacific, as well as beginning renovation work on our successful Hyatt Resorts in Cancun. We will continue to redeploy the significant free cash flow we generate into share repurchases and our market leading assets, setting us up to accelerate growth beyond 2024. So that concludes our presentation and now we'll open it up for Q and

Operator

A. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Smedes Rose with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hi, thanks. I mean, you have a lot of moving pieces here that will probably take a little time to kind of go through more carefully. But I guess my question is really if you could just speak to underlying kind of demand and booking patterns that you've seen thus far into 2024. I know you gave some EBITDA guidance, but I mean and I guess kind of any impact from the shift in Easter and if that's affecting bookings at all?

Speaker 1

Yes. As Bruce mentioned in his closing remarks, the Q1 is off to a great start. On the Easter front, for us, anytime Easter is further out, it just essentially elongates our high season. So it's a week earlier this year. So the benefit of Easter moves into Q because that's a very important week for us in Santa, particularly in Mexico.

Speaker 1

So that benefits in Q1, but it essentially shortens our high season by approximately a week. And essentially like a week or 2 right after Easter are slower months for us. So longer is better, further out is better. So it has nominal impact on our overall results just from it being a week shorter. But things are off to a really good start.

Speaker 1

Things are pacing well in the first half of the year. I think one of the main points that we want to get across when we think about our margin or our kind of pacing and then just the pace of our growth in 2024, it's pretty evenly balanced. Obviously, the Q1 has some comparability issues because the JUULs were a drag in Q1 of last year and the Palm Beach wasn't open. But generally, the kind of cadence of our RevPAR growth and our top line stats for ADR and for RevPAR are pretty even throughout the year. I do think there's been kind of a return to kind of normal seasonality in our business.

Speaker 1

But other than that, I think it's things are off to a great start. The biggest thing that we needed to monitor, as Bruce mentioned, was the impact of the cancellations from the travel warning from Jamaica. I know we talked to many folks last night. It has already stabilized at least from a it's turned positive again quickly, but we're not back yet to par. So the next kind of couple of months, particularly in March April May will really give us some insight into how well we're able to recover some of that lost business.

Speaker 1

But other than that, things have started off well.

Speaker 3

Thanks. And could you just speak to what you're seeing on the supply side, I guess, specifically in Jamaica, where at least we've heard from other folks that there's quite a bit of construction underway and maybe how you're thinking about that?

Speaker 1

Yes. There is that of all the markets have again planned or at least what's been kind of announced, it's probably the highest number of potential room counts, you're talking kind of mid teens potential rooms being added, again, assuming it all gets done. That market in general has not had an immense amount of supply and I'm talking specifically Montego Bay or has not had a lot of supply over the years. Hello? Yes.

Speaker 1

Okay. So you're still there, Smedes? Okay. We just want to make sure we didn't lose everybody. Sorry.

Speaker 1

For example, that market from 2019 to 2023, its CAGR was less than 2%. So there is a little bit more coming in there. But generally, what's planned is still low to mid single digit room nights in all of our destinations. And again, that assumes that all gets done.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Neet.

Operator

The next question comes from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning everyone. Ryan, Bruce, maybe just to follow-up on Steve's question there. I mean, I guess one question we've asked is just, can you see the same level of improvement in the peaks that you would see in the shoulders? And I know it's a little far out, but I think the surprise has been some of the strength you've seen even as you kind of approach peak season, it seems like things actually accelerated a little bit. So just kind of how do you think about peaks and valleys a little bit?

Speaker 4

Because again, I think Sure. It's a great question, Sean. So I mean, I would say,

Speaker 2

Sure. It's a great question, Sean. So I mean, I would say, if you look back a couple of quarters ago, right, everybody's concern was that the leisure bubble has burst and particularly on our business that the benefits that we got in 2021 and 2022 were diminishing, right? And people were going to Europe or they're not willing to pay the amounts or kind of it was transient kind of demand. Well, I think what's it was more transitory is what I meant.

Speaker 2

But what I think we've really seen is that the demand is still there. It's really strong. And what we in December, what we're seeing so far in the Q1 is incredibly positive for our business. So I think the fear that people had that it was kind of going away or going to greatly drop has not materialized and I don't believe it's going to materialize. So the return to normalization?

Speaker 2

I think it's more just a return to normalization. Sure, return to normalization? I think it's more just a return to normalization. Sure, maybe we'll benefit from an easier comp that's kind of related to that. But I think historically, our business derived a huge amount of our profit in the 1st 4 months of the year and then in December.

Speaker 2

And I think you're kind of going back to that kind of pattern. The good news for us is it is accelerating. So what we saw in the Q4, particularly December and what we're seeing in the Q1 is accelerating. And so I think that bodes well for our business. It's kind of messy as to me, Jeff.

Speaker 2

We've got a lot of moving pieces here and it's hard to kind of discern it. But I think if you just kind of forget about like so many of moving pieces and if you can just focus on the underlying fundamentals, I think it's a positive story.

Speaker 4

Very helpful. Thanks, Bruce. And then my follow-up would just be a little bit more kind of thought around margins. I think we're all increasingly comfortable with the cost and inflation growth at domestic hotels. And Bruce, I know you have a lot of experience and a lot of colleagues and contacts in that world.

Speaker 4

So I think we all know they're up against, which is probably the lower bound of mid single digit, let's call it 4 odd percent inflationary pressure is probably what many companies we talk to are looking for. The question for Playa is more what's let's leave FX out of it because we know that's separate. But like excluding FX, what's different for Playa? Is the wage pressure you face a little higher just given what's going on in the local dynamics there? Is that offset by procurement?

Speaker 4

Just help us think about the layers that are a little different given your portfolio and your exposures.

Speaker 1

Yes. You hit that on the head. So excluding the effects of FX as kind of we look out to 2024, we expect call it kind of 4% to 4.5% OpEx growth. The biggest contributing factor to that at least in 2024 is labor costs mostly in Jamaica. They actually did a large minimum wage increase in the second half of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1

It was 44%. And so you're lapping, you're annualizing that figure in 2024. And they've also changed around some of the smaller just smaller cent minimum wage or benefits and PTO and things like that in Mexico. But the Jamaica kind of catch up is the largest impact. So the nice part is once you get through this year, you start to lap some of the impacts of that because when you look back at kind of trends and you go back the last 10 years of when they've raised, usually after a big kind of catch up raise like that, you're probably not going to see another big jump immediately the next year.

Speaker 1

And the same thing we've seen in Mexico and in Dominican, it's usually every couple of years they move minimum wage or something like that. So, Jamaica is the biggest focus. Insurance, it will be it's still too early to tell, but it should be far better from everything we've seen from initial meetings with insurers. We'll be things And then to your point, some of the things that we've done on procurement and staffing have really helped us lower that margin and leverage point to your point. I mean, if you don't mind, I mean, I mentioned before those reductions on the procurement side, there it's mid single digit, high single digit savings per category and that drove savings in 2023 for basically the back half of the year of about $1,500,000 And so if you annualize that, it's roughly 2,500,000 dollars And so essentially that relates to that results in roughly 20 to 25 basis points of annualized cost savings and we're only 30% of the way through.

Speaker 1

So now if you kind of extend what we're planning to attack in 2024, where we're targeting another 20% to 25% of the cost basis, If it all goes well, cumulatively by the end of 2024, we will have reduced our cost base by roughly 30 to 35 basis points permanently with more to attack from there. So to your point, there's we can't do a whole lot about labor, other than staffing, which we're not going to yank out a bunch of staff. So our focus is on what we can control and that's procurement and some of the staffing that we do in the shoulder periods. So I know that's a long answer, but that's kind of what we're facing at least in our markets versus what the guys in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Are facing.

Speaker 4

Very clear. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks, Bruce.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Sean.

Operator

The next question comes from Chad Beynon with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Nice results. Thanks for taking my question. Bruce, with respect to, I guess, non same store growth, you talked about some of the ROI projects that you're working on in Mexico to kind of elevate the rankings and ratings within those categories. But beyond this, how are you thinking about kind of where the opportunities could be, whether it's in the mid range, like what you had announced with Wyndham, maybe additional luxury ROI projects in the current portfolio or maybe expanding beyond this?

Speaker 5

How are you just thinking about kind of the next 5 years where you want additional focus to be? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. Perfect, perfect, Chad. And you adding the next 5 years is perfect because literally we are have a major focus internally on the next 5 years of CapEx, okay, and what we can do with our existing portfolio. We have great opportunities in the existing portfolio and they're kind of in 3 different kind of buckets, okay. One is what you talked about, okay, where can we just do ROI projects that improve our ability to get higher rates, And that can be rooms renovations, that can be adding amenities, there can be a number of things that are in kind of in that bucket.

Speaker 2

The second bucket is rooms addition. We have a couple of different locations where we have the ability to add rooms and there is no higher kind of incremental ROI than adding rooms because you don't have to add a significant amount of infrastructure. You may add some amenities, but it's not like the basics that you have to add everything. So there are 2 in particular that we're focused on where we can add probably net or combined probably 250, 300 more rooms. So that's the kind of projects that we're very, very focused on.

Speaker 2

And then the final one is something that is kind of less sexy, but it's very beneficial and that's really kind of things that save us costs in the biggest area there. I mean, Ryan's talked a lot about the procurement will continue. There's not a lot of CapEx associated with that. That's more processes and staffing. But there is another area and that is in energy.

Speaker 2

And the opportunities are pretty significant because historically in the Caribbean in these kind of markets, you're really relatively inefficient. It's like you boating diesel fuel to islands at very high cost and then you're running kind of inefficient diesel fuel generators to generate electricity. Whether we're doing it at the resort or local groups are doing it at their utilities, it's the same impact and it's very inefficient. And it's also relatively adverse to the climate. So the benefit is we can do some projects.

Speaker 2

We've done a couple to evaluate it, but I think there's great opportunities to do that from mini turbines, liquefied natural gas opportunities, solar opportunities, a number of things that can really diminish our costs, lower our costs on the energy side. So they're really high returning projects. And we'll look at whether we spend the money or whether the outside firm spends money, it's somewhat irrelevant, whatever deal makes the most sense, but that's another area we're going to be focused on. So as we look at the next 5 years, I think you're going to see us come back with more definitive plans. So hopefully by either the next earnings call or the one after that, you will see us laying out things that we're going to be focused on in order to drive growth because it's critical.

Speaker 2

During the pandemic, a lot of projects got put on the back shelf and the world was so uncertain. And now it's pretty clear that our business is very, very robust. The brands continue to be incredibly interested in trying to penetrate and do more deals. The existing competition is improving their properties, so we need to improve ours. And that's where our focus is going to be.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks. And then more near term, just kind of on the travel warning situation in Jamaica. I guess looking at previous periods when items like this have happened, what generally happens? Is there price discounting for kind of the low to mid end guys and luxury players like yourself hold pricing and sacrifice occupancy?

Speaker 5

And then to your point, maybe the booking patterns recover? Or is there discounted pricing for a longer period than maybe you would hope for from some of the others?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think the only real example of something where you had to discount pricing was way back in 2019. These usually have a short shelf life. And again, we've got very disciplined revenue management team and they're not going to just quickly start adjusting rates to just get somebody in the door. We had our bookings turn negative for about a week. They're turned positive, although they're not picking up as much as they would normally, right, but it's slowly building.

Speaker 1

And so essentially, what was taken out was potential occupancy on the books, but our rate on the books for those periods remains essentially flat to where we were at prior to that. So this we expect to be shorter term and so we'll have a lot more information on how that stabilized by the time we get to our

Speaker 2

next earnings call. And there's 2 kind of mitigating things that our commercial team has done, which I think have been really positive. One is for the people who canceled in Jamaica, we reached out to them and try to sell them to Mexico and the Dominican Republic and we've had some success there. And obviously there's no discounting of rates for that kind of business. And then the second thing is focused on some local group business, Jamaican group business, which again, you don't have to discount because it's kind of a different market.

Speaker 2

But we're not going to overreact to this. I mean, it's pretty ridiculous from State Department viewpoint, absolutely nothing changed and they didn't change. It was a level 3 and still a level 3. Why they felt the need to put that out? I have no idea.

Speaker 2

But like Ryan said, the shelf life of these things tends to be relatively short lived. Yes.

Speaker 1

That market was doing really well prior to that, just where we were pacing and how we were building January. So we just view this as an aid into the potential upside from that market. And so we'll have more information when we're back in May.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you both. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Chad. Thanks, Chad.

Operator

The next question comes from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for all the details so far. So I go in a slightly different direction. You guys reviewed the mix of business. I think you said you picked up somewhere European and locally Mexican sourced.

Speaker 6

Can you maybe remind us, I know there's been a lot of focus on non packaged RevPAR and some of the kind of premium and upgrade options. Can you kind of remind us which geographies would be the best contributors to that if you get more recovery? Thanks. The highest

Speaker 1

paying it's generally the highest paying customers, which generally at a high level are the Americans. And so I remember a lot of people when they first get introduced to all inclusive and they assume that somebody who comes in our low season who's paying a cheaper package rate is more likely to spend on additional incidental items. It's the opposite. The people have the money, pay the highest rates, pay the highest for non package.

Speaker 6

Okay. Sure. Fair enough. And then, Bruce, you guys, when I look at the Playa collection and management fees, I think you'd put in about $11,000,000 in the full year of 2023, which I think was about a double over 20 22. And so the question is kind of how much focus do you have?

Speaker 6

I know you're doing a lot of things with Playa Collection. I don't know what the management contract opportunities are. But also, are there any other forms of, I guess, of ownership that are out there? Are there any kind of joint venture possibilities to get you a little bit more really just a little bit more, I guess, top line but also EBITDA from external growth?

Speaker 2

Sure. No, Chris, it's a great question. Like I said, when I responded to Chad on the 5 year plan, we're definitely focused on driving more growth, right? And so a lot of it is just going to come from the portfolio because to be realistic, that's going to move the needle more than anything else, okay? On the management contract side, it doesn't move the needle that much and it will be a factor, but it won't be a significant factor.

Speaker 2

Where the Playa collection is, that's to be determined. I think that can be a nice kind of bump in kind of unexpected surprise. We should be fully rolled out to every one of our resorts within literally within the next few weeks, okay. And so it's going to be nice that now we will have the sales center open across our entire portfolio and we'll see how that applied collection sales ramp up, Okay. So that's I think a positive.

Speaker 2

With regards to kind of what you said, joint ventures or other things, absolutely, we are looking at those kind of opportunities. It's not always the simplest or quickest things to get done because of more interesting characters in our space probably than in traditional more institutional markets. But there are some good opportunities and I'm hopeful that in the near future we'll be able to make some announcements.

Speaker 4

And again, it's not going to

Speaker 2

be like those will be massive kind of EBITDA growth opportunities, but I think there'll be like the Playa Collection, nice incremental growth to our core portfolio. But we're really focused on, okay, here's where we are today. The business is incredibly solid as we've said. Now how do we just kind of continue to improve, improve our revenues, improve our EBITDA growth, improve our margins. I think that's where the focus is going to be.

Speaker 2

So we're optimistic. And at the same time, we will continue to repurchase our stock if kind of the stock price stays in the range that it's been in the last 18, 24 months. I think you'll see us continue to do that and it's a pretty significant value enhancer as well. So those are the areas that we're focused on.

Speaker 6

Okay. Yes, thanks. Very helpful.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Chris. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

And the final question today comes from Tyler Batory with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Good morning. Big picture question first. I think for a lot of companies, we're trying to figure out what's normal in this post COVID world after several years where things were not normal. So this commentary on comp RevPAR growth this year, low single digit to mid single digits, is that normal?

Speaker 7

Is that what you would expect in terms of growth longer term? Could there be upside to that range? And then the balance of ADR and occupancy, it sounds like this is mostly rate driven limited occupancy. What are your latest thoughts on balancing occupancy and ADR going forward?

Speaker 1

Our thoughts on that and the yield management strategy hasn't changed essentially at a high level. We're still focusing on seeding some occupancy in favor of rate, protecting the guest experience, protecting our guest satisfaction scores, which ultimately allows you to at a minimum maintain rate if not continue to drive it. So yes, low to mid single digit RevPAR growth feels normal. And of course, like you said, it's mostly driven by ADR. There will be increases in our occupancy this year, but it's mostly because of the ramping from Palm Beach or the removal of Ploom TECHNOP from last year.

Speaker 1

But the legacy portfolio should be modestly up because I think we're pretty happy with where things sit as far as occupancy and our ability to yield. If something dramatically change, which as you heard Bruce and me say a few times, if the consumers repented to change or the world change or the aversion to mean, which we're not seeing and don't expect, then maybe we would reconsider our occupancy versus ADR. But today, we don't see a reason to do so.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then how about just this longer term perspective comp are low single digits to mid single digits. I mean, do you think that's is that what you consider normal?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think that's normal. And then going back to the question of where we're going to be investing, okay. So like one of the projects we're going to we have land at one of our resorts we can add about 110 rooms. And so it's really going to be a hotel within a hotel, right?

Speaker 2

And those will be premium rooms. And so those are going to get higher rates. And that's a lot of the focus that we've had. Again, we put so many projects on the back burner in 20, 2021, even 2022 that the world was so uncertain. But now we're looking to rapidly other non package revenue opportunities that we're looking at.

Speaker 2

We've had some success recently and we're hoping to do more of that, things that will drive that growth. So if you take that normal, which I do think, it's kind of the low single digit, kind of mid single digit increases are normal. And then you add 100, 200, 300 basis points with some of these projects, not maybe on the whole portfolio, but in individual resorts and all, I think you'll start to see very healthy and attractive growth opportunities. And more importantly than anything else, EBITDA growth, right? It's going to flow through.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 7

And then multipart question on the FX topic. It sounds like you have some hedges in place. I'm assuming that's not something that you had in the past. So just help us think about that. Help us think about the sensitivity here.

Speaker 7

I mean, if the peso is 16% or 18%, what that might mean for the guide? And then another question that I get from a lot of new investors to the story might be helpful to address in this public forum. Just why is the appreciation of the peso a drag? If you could just talk through all the mechanics there, it would be helpful.

Speaker 1

Yes. It's a translation issue because we report our functional currency is USD and roughly 60%, 65% of our Mexican expenses locally are denominated in peso, the biggest one being wages, We're obviously paying people in peso. We're spending a lot from vendors and food and beverage locally. And so it gets converted. So you divide it by a lower number, when it gets converted to USD, it's higher.

Speaker 1

So on as far as the hedge that we put in place, so just in January, we hedged about 50% of our Mexican peso exposure. And so essentially we sold volatility. So and that's how you get to the ranges, right? So if we hadn't done anything and our exposure was not hedged and the peso stayed at $17,000,000 for the year, it's approximately $9,000,000 hit year over year. Because we sold some volatility and assuming that our expense base stays exactly as we have forecasted, is some upside to that, meaning that the lower end of that range is call it $7,000,000 So there is kind of $2,000,000 to $2,500,000 that we were paid to put that FX hedge in place because of where the curve sat at the time.

Speaker 1

The upper bound range of that is if our expenses or expense base is higher than we thought for some reason than our forecast, so that would bring you to the other end of that. So we've kind of used the midpoint of $9,000,000 if we had no hedge at a spot rate of $17,000,000 But if it stays at 17 and our expenses are exactly as we think that moves to the lower end of that range to closer to $7,000,000 And again almost entirety of that is captured in the first half of the year. The impact of that is almost higher than first half of the year.

Speaker 7

All right, great. Very helpful. Thank you for the detail.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Alex.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Bruce Wardinski for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks everyone for participating. I think we covered a lot of material. Hopefully, it's useful and we appreciate your interest in Playa. Thank you very much.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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