NYSE:OPAD Offerpad Solutions Q4 2023 Earnings Report $1.44 -0.06 (-3.67%) Closing price 04/17/2025 03:58 PM EasternExtended Trading$1.48 +0.03 (+2.08%) As of 04/17/2025 04:26 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Offerpad Solutions EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.57Consensus EPS -$0.42Beat/MissMissed by -$0.15One Year Ago EPS-$7.35Offerpad Solutions Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$240.46 millionExpected Revenue$256.60 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$16.14 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AOfferpad Solutions Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/26/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateMonday, February 26, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsOfferpad Solutions' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Offerpad Solutions Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 26, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon. Thank you for attending the Offerpad 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Matt, and I'll be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call, with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, Taylor Giles with Offerpad. Operator00:00:20Taylor, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:22Good afternoon, and welcome to Offerpad's 4th quarter and fiscal 2023 earnings call. I'm joined today by Offerpad's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Brian Baer and Interim Principal Financial Officer and Senior Vice President of Finance, James Grapp. During the call today, management will make forward looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements are inherently uncertain and events could differ significantly from management's expectations. Please refer to the risks, uncertainties and other factors relating to the company's business described in our filings with the U. Speaker 100:01:00S. Security and Exchange Commission. Except as required by applicable law, Offerpad does not intend to update or alter forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. On today's call, management will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. These metrics exclude certain items discussed in our earnings release under the heading Non GAAP Financial Measures. Speaker 100:01:26A reconciliation of Offerpad non GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures are available in the financial tables of the Q4 earnings release on Offerpad's website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian. Speaker 200:01:40Thank you, Taylor, and thank you all for joining our Q4 2023 call. The past year represented a pivotal moment for the company in terms of our operational advancement and execution capabilities, despite enduring a volatile and challenging macroeconomic landscape. Even with the market difficulties, we cleared through virtually all of our legacy inventory obtained prior to the market transition by the end of the Q2 last year and have seen meaningful improvements in contribution margin in the second half of the year. Our focus is strong in our commitment to our core vision and strengths, which start with the foundation of our cash offer. Our renovate product line alongside our ability to involve agents to be part of our solutions is prospering and our ability to manage our expenses has never been better. Speaker 200:02:27By doubling down on the things we can control, we delivered a solid 4th quarter. Our revenue of $240,000,000 adjusted EBITDA of negative $7,000,000 as well as our 7 12 homes sold were all within guidance. Though we are back to our desired growth trajectory, 2023 brought its share of wins. We demonstrated a clear path towards sustained profitability with adjusted EBITDA up over 1200 basis points year over year. We grew our partnership and ecosystem networks, especially within our agent partnership programs, greatly expanding our coverage. Speaker 200:03:03And we continue to grow our asset light revenue streams, which accounted for more than 35% of our contribution margin after interest in the second half of twenty twenty three. I will discuss these accomplishments, then review our 3 strategic imperatives before transitioning the call to James for an in-depth discussion of the numbers and guidance. During 2023, we improved adjusted EBITDA in each consecutive quarter, while also delivering revenue growth in the last three quarters of the year. We plan to continue these trends and exit 2024 with sustainable adjusted EBITDA profitability and a direct line of sight to positive free cash flow. To do this, we have better defined the scope and deliverables of roles across Offerpad's workforce, continue to enhance our tech stack, expand our partnership programs and we are improving our customer acquisition cost and marketing reach through more efficient spend and partner engagement. Speaker 200:04:00For instance, we are focusing activities and capital in markets yielding the highest returns within our buy box, while optimizing our product lines in our other markets. Offerpad's mission to take the friction out of real estate has always included serving our customers with buying and selling solutions and through additional services that include our asset light revenue streams from listings to Direct Plus to Offerpad renovate. Combined, these accounted for 43% of our unit transactions in 2023 versus 24% in 2022. In fact, we grew revenue in our renovation business by nearly 70% and saw a 100 and 48% increase in closed renovation projects compared to the previous quarter. Altogether, these other services delivered an exceptional incremental contribution margin of nearly $5,000 per home sold in 2023, a significant leap from previous years at less than $1,000 per home. Speaker 200:04:59Our momentum with our B2B clients continues to grow as they rely on our capacity to efficiently deliver top notch renovations, thereby enhancing their own profitability and customer satisfaction. We're now working with national, regional and local clients across the country, including single family and multifamily operators. By allowing our renovation clients to plug into our operations, they gain access to Offerpad's extensive experience, cost savings and commitment to delivering high quality work. As a case point, one of our larger renovate clients in 2023 came to Offerpad because they were dissatisfied with the quality and turnaround time of their home renovations. We executed a pilot program of 30 homes to show them the quality and value we could help them create. Speaker 200:05:44Over 300 homes later, we are their preferred renovation partner. It's this dedication to quality and efficiency that enabled us to generate over $12,000,000 in renovate revenue during our 1st year operating this product line. Our partner network is a key lever in our growth strategy. It encompasses our homebuilder services, our agent partnership program and our agent referral network. By incentivizing partners to leverage Offerpad for property buying, selling and renovations, we expand our reach and serve customers in markets beyond our direct service area. Speaker 200:06:19Since 2019, our agent partnership program has provided an industry leading referral fee to agents whose sellers select our cash offer. With more than 130,000 cash offer requests, the agent partnership program has grown from generating 5% of our overall requests to more than 20% last quarter. This program is tailored to meet consumers at their exact point of need, enabling them to utilize Offerpad in a way that best suits their home selling situation, while also serving as a valuable resource for real estate agents. In late January, we announced major enhancements to the program. The Offerpad Pro tier allows agents to continue to request a cash offer on behalf of their clients and for the first time have the ability to list an acquired home and ready for resale. Speaker 200:07:07Offerpad MAX is our top tier, invite only subscription fee based program designed for highly motivated agents with significant marketing region influence. Max agents will receive the same benefits as pro agents with several added advantages. Importantly, they will gain access to highly qualified sellers in defined zones and they'll have the potential to list other Offerpad owned homes in their zones. Initial available subscriptions have sold quicker than anticipated. Meanwhile, we are swiftly expanding our available zones for Offerpad MAX with plans to expand to additional markets in the near future. Speaker 200:07:42All of this supports our 3 strategic imperatives. 1st and foremost, is our mission to take the friction out of real estate, starting with the cash offer. Our second imperative is to continue to make great progress on our asset light product lines, offering end to end services that encompass the entire process of selling, buying and homeownership. Offerpad's 3rd imperative is expanding our partner ecosystem to enhance our reach to meet customers where they are. We are delivering on all three of these imperatives. Speaker 200:08:12Reflected on 2023 and the many challenges and tough decisions we faced, I'm so proud of the OperaPad team, grateful to our customers and partners and optimistic that we are moving toward a return to sustained profitability and growth. We have a robust strategic roadmap, a solid operational foundation and a huge market opportunity ahead of us. I'll now turn the call over to James. With his many years in senior financial leadership at Offerpad, he has taken over the reins as Interim Principal Financial Officer seamlessly. Thank you. Speaker 200:08:44James? Speaker 300:08:45Thank you, Brian. From a financial perspective, our 3 imperatives are producing the results needed to drive business excellence as we expect to achieve sustainable positive adjusted EBITDA this year. In the Q4, we continue to scale back our cost structure and narrow our operating loss. In 2023, our operating expenses when excluding property related selling and holding costs and contribution margin decreased by $69,000,000 compared to 2022. Through continued operating leverage, more efficient advertising spending and expanded partnership channels, we plan to capture an additional $30,000,000 in cost efficiencies in 2024. Speaker 300:09:24We remain diligent about how we allocate our spend to ensure the entire organization is streamlined while we strategically invest to capture our share of the market. We exited the year with a property portfolio in a strong position. We had 9 40 homes in inventory of which only 4.4% were owned over 180 days, with nearly half of those under contract to be sold. This is down from 35% at the end of 2022 as we slowed our acquisition pace and focused on risk management of our legacy portfolio. The homes sold in the quarter had an aggregate time to cash or TTC of 97 days in line with our seasonal expectations. Speaker 300:10:04Q1 should see a slight growth in TTC before again reducing seasonally in the summer quarters of 2024. We acquired 678 homes, which was partially impacted after the quick rise in mortgage rates to above 8% early in the quarter, ultimately resulting in fewer transactions across the market. With rates decreasing through the end of the quarter, in January, we saw better than normal historical increase in request volume, up nearly 60% over December. As a result, acquisition pace has improved to start the year and we anticipate sequential quarterly growth in the Q1. To continue to support our cash offer business, we successfully renewed and extended 3 of our primary credit facilities used to finance our inventory. Speaker 300:10:49As part of these renewals, we maintained key turns around advance rates and funding mechanics, while we adjusted size to align our expected needs over the coming years. Our lenders remain strong supporters of the business and continue to be great working partners. Although our cash offer continues to be the foundation of our operations and results, I'm excited about the momentum of our asset light product lines and how they can transform off of that over time. In the second half of twenty twenty three, our asset light product lines accounted for nearly half of our closed transactions producing 2% of contribution margin. Additionally, the evolution of our agent partnership program opens up several interesting opportunities for us in 2024 By enhancing the Offerpad Pro program to provide even more value to the agent, we anticipate increased agent partnership program driven request volume. Speaker 300:11:39Also, the introduction of the Offerpad MAX offering should allow us to better monetize the requests we generate that fall outside of our buy box, further diversifying our revenue. Turning to the numbers. Revenue in the quarter was $240,000,000 which landed within our guidance range. Our revenue was supported by the sale of 7 12 homes also in line with our expectations. Roughly $10,000,000 of revenue moved from Q4 into Q1 due to the temporary unexpected interruption of 1 of our title partners at the end of the year. Speaker 300:12:10The team did a great job working through the challenge, limiting overall impact to our customers' timeline. Net loss in the quarter was $15,000,000 a 23% improvement from Q3 and an 87% improvement year over year. We've now realized 4 consecutive quarters of improvement in net income. 4th quarter adjusted EBITDA improved to negative $7,000,000 a 47% improvement from Q3 and a 93% or $97,000,000 improvement as compared to Q4 of the prior year. This improvement was significant as we continue to optimize our operating expenses despite a slight decrease in contribution margins in the Q4. Speaker 300:12:51Gross margin for the Q4 was 6.9% compared to 10.2% last quarter and was an improvement from negative 6.6% compared to the Q4 of last year. This was in large part driven by pricing decisions made to move homes with velocity as mortgage rates quickly rose from 7% to over 8% early in the 4th quarter. Total operating expenses decreased 36% from $44,000,000 in Q3 to $28,000,000 in Q4, driven by our advertising spend efficiency and cost management activities. Revenue for the full year 2023 was $1,300,000,000 supported by the sale of 3,674 homes. Net loss for the full year was $117,000,000 a 21% improvement from 2022. Speaker 300:13:392023 adjusted EBITDA was negative $82,000,000 also reflecting a 21% improvement from year. Gross margin for the year was 5.3%, up from 4.6% in 2022. We ended the year with $76,000,000 in unrestricted cash, dollars 277,000,000 in inventory and asset backed debt of $257,000,000 Looking forward to the Q1 of 2024, we're expecting sequential improvements in most major metrics compared to the prior quarter. Sales pace is expected to seasonally improve producing revenue between $245,000,000 $285,000,000 supported by 750 to 850 homes sold. As we invest in growing acquisitions in the Q1, adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between negative $10,000,000 and negative $2,500,000 up almost 90% year over year at the midpoint. Speaker 300:14:34Reflecting on 2023, I'm particularly proud of the team's ability to adapt and manage through a challenging and unpredictable macro environment. This gives me confidence in our ability to execute on our strategic imperatives in 2024, while adapting to the new challenges and opportunities this year may bring. We've made the tough decisions to create a lean organization that's ready to meet our 2024 objectives on our march to return the company to profitability. With that, I'll open the call for questions. Operator00:15:321st question is from the line of Nick Jones with JMP. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:15:38Great. Thanks for taking the questions. 2, if I could. First on how should we think about the path to acquiring 500 homes per month? I think it's a little lighter than maybe what the target initially was. Speaker 400:15:49Is that a goal that's achievable in 2024? And then a follow-up. Speaker 200:15:57Yes. Hi, Nick, it's Brian. On the 500, that's obviously the goal we're looking at. We are very focused on obviously the macro world out there and the dynamics to controlling what we can control. And so we're watching interest rates and what's happening out there, we're focused on buying the type of homes we want in our buy box. Speaker 200:16:17And so if the opportunity is there, we're going to do it. We're more focused on property performance right now than I would say volume of the homes we're buying. And so that's our focus. Speaker 400:16:33Great. And then in the prepared remarks, you talked about $5,000 of incremental contribution margin from kind of other services. How high can that go? Could that as we think about path to profitability, is that a key driver to getting there? And can you kind of contextualize how much more wood the chop there is in adding more dollars to incremental contribution margin? Speaker 200:16:57Yes. I'll jump in and then I'll have James comment on the breakdown there. But the one thing through the adversity that we felt in the real estate over the last year and a half overall, I'd tell you the win that we've had is we've had a lot of time to focus on these asset light products. And if you remember, I've said I wanted to be a solution center for everyone for a long time and we are really getting some headway with a lot of this. And what we've been really focused on is cutting costs and focused on what we can do really well. Speaker 200:17:29And one of those is a lot like specifically on the renovate side, the direct plus side that we'll talk a little bit more about. And then allowing others to plug into Opera Pad some of our services. And so I think and what I'll say that the general the sky is a limit of what we can do on the asset light stuff there. But I think we are just getting started again in this environment as we'll start buying more homes as the market starts to normalize, you'll see those light asset lines start to grow even more and more on I think across the board. And I'll let James talk a little bit more about that. Speaker 300:18:06Yes. Hey, Nick. So I think one thing that's really exciting about what we're seeing in our other lines of business is they're growing at the same time that the Express, like the cash offer business is growing. And so $5,000 of incremental contribution margin per home sold for 2023, that was $7 per home just in the second half of the year. I think long term, we still have overall our 6% to 9% target for contribution margin after interest. Speaker 300:18:34And ultimately, I think where we can get is our goal is to get to 50% of that being driven by the cash offer business and 50% of that coming from the other lines of businesses overall. So still some more room to chop there. I think got a lot of good momentum in some of those businesses, especially like a Renovate business right now. And also we'll just have a key focus on continuing to diversify the loan. Speaker 200:18:56And one thing I'll add there just with the Direct plus business is that the cash offer business, it's really in you almost have to segment out into 2 worlds. One of them is the cash offer business of the homes that we buy. So the customer gets cash offer and Offerpad is going to balance sheet at home. And then the other section is the Direct Plus business, which the customer gets a cash offer. They've got the Offerpad experience up until closing. Speaker 200:19:20Offerpad doesn't close that home. 1 of our direct plus partners will close that home. And so 2 significant paths to that. And like I said, I feel like we're making headway in both and as they continue to grow. Speaker 400:19:36Thanks guys. Operator00:19:38Thanks. Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Day Lee with JPMorgan. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:47Great. Thanks for taking my question. I have 2. The first one on your expectations to reach adjusted EBITDA process for the year. Just to clarify, are you expecting to get adjusted EBITDA for the full year or excess the year at adjusted EBITDA profitable and what macro conditions are you assuming for that? Speaker 500:20:06And then I have a follow-up. Speaker 300:20:09Yes. Hey, so right now, our expectations are for the full year to be adjusted EBITDA profitable. Currently, right now, I think overall from a macro perspective, I'll let Brian go in a little bit more about what he's seeing there. But from a planning standpoint, we're planning around flat prices, flat transaction costs, flat interest rates. So not really trying to bake in any sort of tailwinds from decreasing rates or anything like that. Speaker 300:20:32But overall, kind of expectations throughout the year, rates or anything like that. But overall, kind of expectations throughout the year is following the Q1, a period of investing in inventory growth there, then we should see some sequential increases there and improvements to ultimately produce full year adjusted EBITDA profitability. Speaker 500:20:54Okay, great. I guess, another follow-up. It sounds like you guys are underwriting with a more of a risk off bias in the home that you're acquiring. So if that's true, like what do you guys need to see to, I guess, operate the business with volume in mind as well? Speaker 200:21:14Sorry, the last part, Dave, the last part cut off. What we'd have to see on the website? Sorry, I couldn't hear the last. Speaker 500:21:20I guess, what do you guys need see to drive or operate the business for volume growth as well? It sounded like you guys are operating more for profit focus in mind right now. So what do we need to see for you guys to go after more volume? Yes. Speaker 200:21:38So a lot of it everything we do is assumption based, right, of what the market is doing, each very market specific, product line specific, just in general. And I've mentioned before in different calls that's to ramp up that's to ramp up volume is one of the easiest metrics we can ramp up. I would think more than anything else is the volatility in the mortgage rates. I mean, for example, in the Q4, we saw rates hit almost well, they hit over 8%. And then we saw them they've been down to like the high 6s in November December. Speaker 200:22:14And so more consistency in the mortgage rates would definitely. What's interesting is just when we talk about the macro world, you have sellers that they're obviously locked into their current mortgage and equity of the lock in there, the lock in effect. But then you have buyers on the affordability side. And so but both of them desperately want something to happen. You can just see it. Speaker 200:22:36And as interest rates drop down below 7s, you can see sellers willing to sell and then and you can see buyers that now want to buy. And so that right now is so sensitive. So we're watching that very closely. Just affordability overall, we'll tie into that. So everything is very interest rate driven right now and getting more consistency there. Speaker 200:23:01And again, that doesn't need to go back down to where they were by any means. But it's just more consistency, so you can see the affordability and sellers willing to sell there too. Speaker 500:23:14Great. Thank you. Operator00:23:17Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Ryan Tomasello with Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:23:28Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. It would be helpful if Speaker 500:23:32you can just give us Speaker 600:23:33a quick overview of the revenue model, maybe a reminder, a refresher of the revenue model behind some of the more meaningful asset light service offerings and the economics from a gross margin perspective? I would assume things like renovation that seem to be a more material driver. And then in addition to that, these various agent partnership programs, just the volume and expense efficiencies, how you measure those relative to funneling volume from more traditional sources? Any added perks around that? It looks like there's a membership fee involved, if that could be meaningful. Speaker 600:24:12Just in general, trying to understand the economics and revenue model behind the non cash offer products. Speaker 200:24:20Sure. I'll give high level and let James get into some of the details there. But yes, from a high level, one thing that we want to accomplish is get our products and services out to more people as fast as we the faster we can and the scale of this fast and especially some of the asset light services. So we've always been focused on giving the customer or the consumer a choice. If they come to us to get a cash offer they could potentially list their home and whatever works best for them at that moment. Speaker 200:24:49And so be able to scale using agents to help us scale those programs As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, that's been scaling fairly quickly. And as we see in even in this market and the landscape seen that even scale even faster is giving agents the ability to plug into a lot of our services and that included that includes our renovation services. So they can basically use our renovation teams to upgrade or upscale a home that they need. But also some of the others are sold in our 60 program that the ability to have the cash offer, been able to list the house on the open market with knowing that they have the insurance at the cash offer in the backdrop. So the agents are like we're scaling that fairly quickly and from when we launched it, we're getting really good feedback and it's scaling very, very fast and some of the zones and other things that we're doing. Speaker 200:25:43But again, we want to find a solution for everybody and that consumes the no matter we want to meet the customer where they're at, whether they want to use an agent directly, we want to be there for them. But I'll let James talk a little bit about the economics side. Speaker 300:25:57Sure. Hey, Ryan. So I guess just to kind of walk through each of them really quickly 1 by 1. On the Renovate side, like you mentioned, we are seeing some really good progress there and good momentum kind of across the board and in various markets. The way the renovation revenue model works is effectively think about an average renovation cost. Speaker 300:26:19Right now, we're in the $15,000 range from an average rental cost to these customers. And then we're capturing a service fee on top of that. It can be anywhere from 20% to 30% or so of a service fee. So this comes through it, call it, 20% gross margin plus or minus. Overall, from an overhead perspective, that's a shared resource from with our Express business with folks in the markets and all that. Speaker 300:26:44So it's a nice kind of value accretive overall business line to tack onto our existing operations. On the direct plus side, like Brian mentioned, from a customer perspective, it's very similar experience overall where the request comes in, we're underwriting the home and we're managing that request all the way up until the time of closing. Effectively, what's happening at closing is we're transitioning or we're assigning over that contract, whoever the ultimate buyer of that home is. And so we're capturing our service fee as the revenue on that for that project or for that home. So really that comes through at a very high gross margin, I think 95% plus type gross margins there, since it's effectively just a service fee coming through. Speaker 300:27:29And then on the listing side, this is where the interesting thing that Brian just talked through. Again, this is also a service fee, so this comes through at a very high overall gross margin there. For leads that we're referring out, the referral fee that's coming through back through is just going to be a percent of the overall sales price that ultimately that agent closed on. So that should come through again 90% plus type gross margin there. And again, the subscription fee is it's our mechanism for being able to engage with those types of very highly motivated, and engaged agents within the market that are willing to invest capital upfront in order to get access to leads and listings and all the other great products and services that Offerpad can offer them there. Speaker 300:28:16So again, as a subscription based type fee coming through, that's another kind of 90% type gross margin ultimately. Speaker 600:28:27Great. Really appreciate all that color. Very helpful. And just a follow-up here. You mentioned another $30,000,000 I think of cost efficiencies you expect to realize in 2024. Speaker 600:28:38Is that mainly driven by the annualization of the expense efficiencies you drove last year or is any of that incremental? If so, any color on where those savings are coming from? Thanks. Speaker 300:28:52Yes, great question. It is a little bit of both. So we did kind of continue to optimize the cost structure through the end of the year. So part of that is going to be coming through from that standpoint. The other part is going to be a lot of our focus and attention invested in our partnership program. Speaker 300:29:10And then overall what that means from a CAC perspective and what we need to invest into kind of direct marketing in order to generate the amount of leads necessary for the business. So I view the annualization part really tied to what the kind of expense management we're doing at the end of the year, but then also carry forward some more marketing efficiencies throughout the year as well. Operator00:29:33Okay. Thanks for taking the questions. Thank you for your question. Thanks, Ryan. Next question is from the line of Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs. Operator00:29:41Your line is now open. Speaker 700:29:44Hey, good afternoon. Thank you for the question. It was encouraging to hear about the renewal extension of the 3 credit facilities. I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the changes in the terms of those facilities. I think you said there was an adjustment on target size. Speaker 700:30:02Like how should we think about how that translates into your home purchase and selling prices on a go forward basis? And could you just remind us what the current capacity is today and what percentage of the capacity was renewed? Thank you. Speaker 300:30:26Yes, great question. So right now where we ended the year from an overall capacity standpoint and don't expect imminent changes right now with the new renewals coming up for a bit of time here is we had about 5 $60,000,000 of committed capacity and another $4.90 ish of uncommitted capacity for a little bit over $1,000,000,000 total. Historically, we've had the ability to flex in and out of our uncommitted capacity overall. But right now with we ended the year with about $260,000,000 of total outstanding debt. We felt that the changes that we made in overall committed capacity were pretty prudent just given our expectations of what we're seeing from a volume perspective of the kind of the balance sheet side of the business there. Speaker 300:31:16So again, feel very good about those renewals that we put in place. Importantly, we maintain those key terms around advance rates and funding mechanics that really allow us to be really efficient with our capital and purchase the amount of homes that we do. Speaker 700:31:32Okay, great. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:37Thank you for your question. The question and answer session has concluded. I will now turn the call over to Brian Baer, Chairman and CEO for closing remarks. Speaker 200:31:49All right. Just really proud of the team and hitting the getting the scale and getting these asset light services the way up and going into 2024. But appreciate to everyone and all their hard work. And thank you for everyone joining the call. Operator00:32:05That concludes the conference call. Thank you for your participation. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon. Thank you for attending the Offerpad 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Matt, and I'll be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call, with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to our host, Taylor Giles with Offerpad. Operator00:00:20Taylor, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:22Good afternoon, and welcome to Offerpad's 4th quarter and fiscal 2023 earnings call. I'm joined today by Offerpad's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Brian Baer and Interim Principal Financial Officer and Senior Vice President of Finance, James Grapp. During the call today, management will make forward looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements are inherently uncertain and events could differ significantly from management's expectations. Please refer to the risks, uncertainties and other factors relating to the company's business described in our filings with the U. Speaker 100:01:00S. Security and Exchange Commission. Except as required by applicable law, Offerpad does not intend to update or alter forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. On today's call, management will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. These metrics exclude certain items discussed in our earnings release under the heading Non GAAP Financial Measures. Speaker 100:01:26A reconciliation of Offerpad non GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures are available in the financial tables of the Q4 earnings release on Offerpad's website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian. Speaker 200:01:40Thank you, Taylor, and thank you all for joining our Q4 2023 call. The past year represented a pivotal moment for the company in terms of our operational advancement and execution capabilities, despite enduring a volatile and challenging macroeconomic landscape. Even with the market difficulties, we cleared through virtually all of our legacy inventory obtained prior to the market transition by the end of the Q2 last year and have seen meaningful improvements in contribution margin in the second half of the year. Our focus is strong in our commitment to our core vision and strengths, which start with the foundation of our cash offer. Our renovate product line alongside our ability to involve agents to be part of our solutions is prospering and our ability to manage our expenses has never been better. Speaker 200:02:27By doubling down on the things we can control, we delivered a solid 4th quarter. Our revenue of $240,000,000 adjusted EBITDA of negative $7,000,000 as well as our 7 12 homes sold were all within guidance. Though we are back to our desired growth trajectory, 2023 brought its share of wins. We demonstrated a clear path towards sustained profitability with adjusted EBITDA up over 1200 basis points year over year. We grew our partnership and ecosystem networks, especially within our agent partnership programs, greatly expanding our coverage. Speaker 200:03:03And we continue to grow our asset light revenue streams, which accounted for more than 35% of our contribution margin after interest in the second half of twenty twenty three. I will discuss these accomplishments, then review our 3 strategic imperatives before transitioning the call to James for an in-depth discussion of the numbers and guidance. During 2023, we improved adjusted EBITDA in each consecutive quarter, while also delivering revenue growth in the last three quarters of the year. We plan to continue these trends and exit 2024 with sustainable adjusted EBITDA profitability and a direct line of sight to positive free cash flow. To do this, we have better defined the scope and deliverables of roles across Offerpad's workforce, continue to enhance our tech stack, expand our partnership programs and we are improving our customer acquisition cost and marketing reach through more efficient spend and partner engagement. Speaker 200:04:00For instance, we are focusing activities and capital in markets yielding the highest returns within our buy box, while optimizing our product lines in our other markets. Offerpad's mission to take the friction out of real estate has always included serving our customers with buying and selling solutions and through additional services that include our asset light revenue streams from listings to Direct Plus to Offerpad renovate. Combined, these accounted for 43% of our unit transactions in 2023 versus 24% in 2022. In fact, we grew revenue in our renovation business by nearly 70% and saw a 100 and 48% increase in closed renovation projects compared to the previous quarter. Altogether, these other services delivered an exceptional incremental contribution margin of nearly $5,000 per home sold in 2023, a significant leap from previous years at less than $1,000 per home. Speaker 200:04:59Our momentum with our B2B clients continues to grow as they rely on our capacity to efficiently deliver top notch renovations, thereby enhancing their own profitability and customer satisfaction. We're now working with national, regional and local clients across the country, including single family and multifamily operators. By allowing our renovation clients to plug into our operations, they gain access to Offerpad's extensive experience, cost savings and commitment to delivering high quality work. As a case point, one of our larger renovate clients in 2023 came to Offerpad because they were dissatisfied with the quality and turnaround time of their home renovations. We executed a pilot program of 30 homes to show them the quality and value we could help them create. Speaker 200:05:44Over 300 homes later, we are their preferred renovation partner. It's this dedication to quality and efficiency that enabled us to generate over $12,000,000 in renovate revenue during our 1st year operating this product line. Our partner network is a key lever in our growth strategy. It encompasses our homebuilder services, our agent partnership program and our agent referral network. By incentivizing partners to leverage Offerpad for property buying, selling and renovations, we expand our reach and serve customers in markets beyond our direct service area. Speaker 200:06:19Since 2019, our agent partnership program has provided an industry leading referral fee to agents whose sellers select our cash offer. With more than 130,000 cash offer requests, the agent partnership program has grown from generating 5% of our overall requests to more than 20% last quarter. This program is tailored to meet consumers at their exact point of need, enabling them to utilize Offerpad in a way that best suits their home selling situation, while also serving as a valuable resource for real estate agents. In late January, we announced major enhancements to the program. The Offerpad Pro tier allows agents to continue to request a cash offer on behalf of their clients and for the first time have the ability to list an acquired home and ready for resale. Speaker 200:07:07Offerpad MAX is our top tier, invite only subscription fee based program designed for highly motivated agents with significant marketing region influence. Max agents will receive the same benefits as pro agents with several added advantages. Importantly, they will gain access to highly qualified sellers in defined zones and they'll have the potential to list other Offerpad owned homes in their zones. Initial available subscriptions have sold quicker than anticipated. Meanwhile, we are swiftly expanding our available zones for Offerpad MAX with plans to expand to additional markets in the near future. Speaker 200:07:42All of this supports our 3 strategic imperatives. 1st and foremost, is our mission to take the friction out of real estate, starting with the cash offer. Our second imperative is to continue to make great progress on our asset light product lines, offering end to end services that encompass the entire process of selling, buying and homeownership. Offerpad's 3rd imperative is expanding our partner ecosystem to enhance our reach to meet customers where they are. We are delivering on all three of these imperatives. Speaker 200:08:12Reflected on 2023 and the many challenges and tough decisions we faced, I'm so proud of the OperaPad team, grateful to our customers and partners and optimistic that we are moving toward a return to sustained profitability and growth. We have a robust strategic roadmap, a solid operational foundation and a huge market opportunity ahead of us. I'll now turn the call over to James. With his many years in senior financial leadership at Offerpad, he has taken over the reins as Interim Principal Financial Officer seamlessly. Thank you. Speaker 200:08:44James? Speaker 300:08:45Thank you, Brian. From a financial perspective, our 3 imperatives are producing the results needed to drive business excellence as we expect to achieve sustainable positive adjusted EBITDA this year. In the Q4, we continue to scale back our cost structure and narrow our operating loss. In 2023, our operating expenses when excluding property related selling and holding costs and contribution margin decreased by $69,000,000 compared to 2022. Through continued operating leverage, more efficient advertising spending and expanded partnership channels, we plan to capture an additional $30,000,000 in cost efficiencies in 2024. Speaker 300:09:24We remain diligent about how we allocate our spend to ensure the entire organization is streamlined while we strategically invest to capture our share of the market. We exited the year with a property portfolio in a strong position. We had 9 40 homes in inventory of which only 4.4% were owned over 180 days, with nearly half of those under contract to be sold. This is down from 35% at the end of 2022 as we slowed our acquisition pace and focused on risk management of our legacy portfolio. The homes sold in the quarter had an aggregate time to cash or TTC of 97 days in line with our seasonal expectations. Speaker 300:10:04Q1 should see a slight growth in TTC before again reducing seasonally in the summer quarters of 2024. We acquired 678 homes, which was partially impacted after the quick rise in mortgage rates to above 8% early in the quarter, ultimately resulting in fewer transactions across the market. With rates decreasing through the end of the quarter, in January, we saw better than normal historical increase in request volume, up nearly 60% over December. As a result, acquisition pace has improved to start the year and we anticipate sequential quarterly growth in the Q1. To continue to support our cash offer business, we successfully renewed and extended 3 of our primary credit facilities used to finance our inventory. Speaker 300:10:49As part of these renewals, we maintained key turns around advance rates and funding mechanics, while we adjusted size to align our expected needs over the coming years. Our lenders remain strong supporters of the business and continue to be great working partners. Although our cash offer continues to be the foundation of our operations and results, I'm excited about the momentum of our asset light product lines and how they can transform off of that over time. In the second half of twenty twenty three, our asset light product lines accounted for nearly half of our closed transactions producing 2% of contribution margin. Additionally, the evolution of our agent partnership program opens up several interesting opportunities for us in 2024 By enhancing the Offerpad Pro program to provide even more value to the agent, we anticipate increased agent partnership program driven request volume. Speaker 300:11:39Also, the introduction of the Offerpad MAX offering should allow us to better monetize the requests we generate that fall outside of our buy box, further diversifying our revenue. Turning to the numbers. Revenue in the quarter was $240,000,000 which landed within our guidance range. Our revenue was supported by the sale of 7 12 homes also in line with our expectations. Roughly $10,000,000 of revenue moved from Q4 into Q1 due to the temporary unexpected interruption of 1 of our title partners at the end of the year. Speaker 300:12:10The team did a great job working through the challenge, limiting overall impact to our customers' timeline. Net loss in the quarter was $15,000,000 a 23% improvement from Q3 and an 87% improvement year over year. We've now realized 4 consecutive quarters of improvement in net income. 4th quarter adjusted EBITDA improved to negative $7,000,000 a 47% improvement from Q3 and a 93% or $97,000,000 improvement as compared to Q4 of the prior year. This improvement was significant as we continue to optimize our operating expenses despite a slight decrease in contribution margins in the Q4. Speaker 300:12:51Gross margin for the Q4 was 6.9% compared to 10.2% last quarter and was an improvement from negative 6.6% compared to the Q4 of last year. This was in large part driven by pricing decisions made to move homes with velocity as mortgage rates quickly rose from 7% to over 8% early in the 4th quarter. Total operating expenses decreased 36% from $44,000,000 in Q3 to $28,000,000 in Q4, driven by our advertising spend efficiency and cost management activities. Revenue for the full year 2023 was $1,300,000,000 supported by the sale of 3,674 homes. Net loss for the full year was $117,000,000 a 21% improvement from 2022. Speaker 300:13:392023 adjusted EBITDA was negative $82,000,000 also reflecting a 21% improvement from year. Gross margin for the year was 5.3%, up from 4.6% in 2022. We ended the year with $76,000,000 in unrestricted cash, dollars 277,000,000 in inventory and asset backed debt of $257,000,000 Looking forward to the Q1 of 2024, we're expecting sequential improvements in most major metrics compared to the prior quarter. Sales pace is expected to seasonally improve producing revenue between $245,000,000 $285,000,000 supported by 750 to 850 homes sold. As we invest in growing acquisitions in the Q1, adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between negative $10,000,000 and negative $2,500,000 up almost 90% year over year at the midpoint. Speaker 300:14:34Reflecting on 2023, I'm particularly proud of the team's ability to adapt and manage through a challenging and unpredictable macro environment. This gives me confidence in our ability to execute on our strategic imperatives in 2024, while adapting to the new challenges and opportunities this year may bring. We've made the tough decisions to create a lean organization that's ready to meet our 2024 objectives on our march to return the company to profitability. With that, I'll open the call for questions. Operator00:15:321st question is from the line of Nick Jones with JMP. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:15:38Great. Thanks for taking the questions. 2, if I could. First on how should we think about the path to acquiring 500 homes per month? I think it's a little lighter than maybe what the target initially was. Speaker 400:15:49Is that a goal that's achievable in 2024? And then a follow-up. Speaker 200:15:57Yes. Hi, Nick, it's Brian. On the 500, that's obviously the goal we're looking at. We are very focused on obviously the macro world out there and the dynamics to controlling what we can control. And so we're watching interest rates and what's happening out there, we're focused on buying the type of homes we want in our buy box. Speaker 200:16:17And so if the opportunity is there, we're going to do it. We're more focused on property performance right now than I would say volume of the homes we're buying. And so that's our focus. Speaker 400:16:33Great. And then in the prepared remarks, you talked about $5,000 of incremental contribution margin from kind of other services. How high can that go? Could that as we think about path to profitability, is that a key driver to getting there? And can you kind of contextualize how much more wood the chop there is in adding more dollars to incremental contribution margin? Speaker 200:16:57Yes. I'll jump in and then I'll have James comment on the breakdown there. But the one thing through the adversity that we felt in the real estate over the last year and a half overall, I'd tell you the win that we've had is we've had a lot of time to focus on these asset light products. And if you remember, I've said I wanted to be a solution center for everyone for a long time and we are really getting some headway with a lot of this. And what we've been really focused on is cutting costs and focused on what we can do really well. Speaker 200:17:29And one of those is a lot like specifically on the renovate side, the direct plus side that we'll talk a little bit more about. And then allowing others to plug into Opera Pad some of our services. And so I think and what I'll say that the general the sky is a limit of what we can do on the asset light stuff there. But I think we are just getting started again in this environment as we'll start buying more homes as the market starts to normalize, you'll see those light asset lines start to grow even more and more on I think across the board. And I'll let James talk a little bit more about that. Speaker 300:18:06Yes. Hey, Nick. So I think one thing that's really exciting about what we're seeing in our other lines of business is they're growing at the same time that the Express, like the cash offer business is growing. And so $5,000 of incremental contribution margin per home sold for 2023, that was $7 per home just in the second half of the year. I think long term, we still have overall our 6% to 9% target for contribution margin after interest. Speaker 300:18:34And ultimately, I think where we can get is our goal is to get to 50% of that being driven by the cash offer business and 50% of that coming from the other lines of businesses overall. So still some more room to chop there. I think got a lot of good momentum in some of those businesses, especially like a Renovate business right now. And also we'll just have a key focus on continuing to diversify the loan. Speaker 200:18:56And one thing I'll add there just with the Direct plus business is that the cash offer business, it's really in you almost have to segment out into 2 worlds. One of them is the cash offer business of the homes that we buy. So the customer gets cash offer and Offerpad is going to balance sheet at home. And then the other section is the Direct Plus business, which the customer gets a cash offer. They've got the Offerpad experience up until closing. Speaker 200:19:20Offerpad doesn't close that home. 1 of our direct plus partners will close that home. And so 2 significant paths to that. And like I said, I feel like we're making headway in both and as they continue to grow. Speaker 400:19:36Thanks guys. Operator00:19:38Thanks. Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Day Lee with JPMorgan. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:47Great. Thanks for taking my question. I have 2. The first one on your expectations to reach adjusted EBITDA process for the year. Just to clarify, are you expecting to get adjusted EBITDA for the full year or excess the year at adjusted EBITDA profitable and what macro conditions are you assuming for that? Speaker 500:20:06And then I have a follow-up. Speaker 300:20:09Yes. Hey, so right now, our expectations are for the full year to be adjusted EBITDA profitable. Currently, right now, I think overall from a macro perspective, I'll let Brian go in a little bit more about what he's seeing there. But from a planning standpoint, we're planning around flat prices, flat transaction costs, flat interest rates. So not really trying to bake in any sort of tailwinds from decreasing rates or anything like that. Speaker 300:20:32But overall, kind of expectations throughout the year, rates or anything like that. But overall, kind of expectations throughout the year is following the Q1, a period of investing in inventory growth there, then we should see some sequential increases there and improvements to ultimately produce full year adjusted EBITDA profitability. Speaker 500:20:54Okay, great. I guess, another follow-up. It sounds like you guys are underwriting with a more of a risk off bias in the home that you're acquiring. So if that's true, like what do you guys need to see to, I guess, operate the business with volume in mind as well? Speaker 200:21:14Sorry, the last part, Dave, the last part cut off. What we'd have to see on the website? Sorry, I couldn't hear the last. Speaker 500:21:20I guess, what do you guys need see to drive or operate the business for volume growth as well? It sounded like you guys are operating more for profit focus in mind right now. So what do we need to see for you guys to go after more volume? Yes. Speaker 200:21:38So a lot of it everything we do is assumption based, right, of what the market is doing, each very market specific, product line specific, just in general. And I've mentioned before in different calls that's to ramp up that's to ramp up volume is one of the easiest metrics we can ramp up. I would think more than anything else is the volatility in the mortgage rates. I mean, for example, in the Q4, we saw rates hit almost well, they hit over 8%. And then we saw them they've been down to like the high 6s in November December. Speaker 200:22:14And so more consistency in the mortgage rates would definitely. What's interesting is just when we talk about the macro world, you have sellers that they're obviously locked into their current mortgage and equity of the lock in there, the lock in effect. But then you have buyers on the affordability side. And so but both of them desperately want something to happen. You can just see it. Speaker 200:22:36And as interest rates drop down below 7s, you can see sellers willing to sell and then and you can see buyers that now want to buy. And so that right now is so sensitive. So we're watching that very closely. Just affordability overall, we'll tie into that. So everything is very interest rate driven right now and getting more consistency there. Speaker 200:23:01And again, that doesn't need to go back down to where they were by any means. But it's just more consistency, so you can see the affordability and sellers willing to sell there too. Speaker 500:23:14Great. Thank you. Operator00:23:17Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Ryan Tomasello with Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:23:28Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. It would be helpful if Speaker 500:23:32you can just give us Speaker 600:23:33a quick overview of the revenue model, maybe a reminder, a refresher of the revenue model behind some of the more meaningful asset light service offerings and the economics from a gross margin perspective? I would assume things like renovation that seem to be a more material driver. And then in addition to that, these various agent partnership programs, just the volume and expense efficiencies, how you measure those relative to funneling volume from more traditional sources? Any added perks around that? It looks like there's a membership fee involved, if that could be meaningful. Speaker 600:24:12Just in general, trying to understand the economics and revenue model behind the non cash offer products. Speaker 200:24:20Sure. I'll give high level and let James get into some of the details there. But yes, from a high level, one thing that we want to accomplish is get our products and services out to more people as fast as we the faster we can and the scale of this fast and especially some of the asset light services. So we've always been focused on giving the customer or the consumer a choice. If they come to us to get a cash offer they could potentially list their home and whatever works best for them at that moment. Speaker 200:24:49And so be able to scale using agents to help us scale those programs As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, that's been scaling fairly quickly. And as we see in even in this market and the landscape seen that even scale even faster is giving agents the ability to plug into a lot of our services and that included that includes our renovation services. So they can basically use our renovation teams to upgrade or upscale a home that they need. But also some of the others are sold in our 60 program that the ability to have the cash offer, been able to list the house on the open market with knowing that they have the insurance at the cash offer in the backdrop. So the agents are like we're scaling that fairly quickly and from when we launched it, we're getting really good feedback and it's scaling very, very fast and some of the zones and other things that we're doing. Speaker 200:25:43But again, we want to find a solution for everybody and that consumes the no matter we want to meet the customer where they're at, whether they want to use an agent directly, we want to be there for them. But I'll let James talk a little bit about the economics side. Speaker 300:25:57Sure. Hey, Ryan. So I guess just to kind of walk through each of them really quickly 1 by 1. On the Renovate side, like you mentioned, we are seeing some really good progress there and good momentum kind of across the board and in various markets. The way the renovation revenue model works is effectively think about an average renovation cost. Speaker 300:26:19Right now, we're in the $15,000 range from an average rental cost to these customers. And then we're capturing a service fee on top of that. It can be anywhere from 20% to 30% or so of a service fee. So this comes through it, call it, 20% gross margin plus or minus. Overall, from an overhead perspective, that's a shared resource from with our Express business with folks in the markets and all that. Speaker 300:26:44So it's a nice kind of value accretive overall business line to tack onto our existing operations. On the direct plus side, like Brian mentioned, from a customer perspective, it's very similar experience overall where the request comes in, we're underwriting the home and we're managing that request all the way up until the time of closing. Effectively, what's happening at closing is we're transitioning or we're assigning over that contract, whoever the ultimate buyer of that home is. And so we're capturing our service fee as the revenue on that for that project or for that home. So really that comes through at a very high gross margin, I think 95% plus type gross margins there, since it's effectively just a service fee coming through. Speaker 300:27:29And then on the listing side, this is where the interesting thing that Brian just talked through. Again, this is also a service fee, so this comes through at a very high overall gross margin there. For leads that we're referring out, the referral fee that's coming through back through is just going to be a percent of the overall sales price that ultimately that agent closed on. So that should come through again 90% plus type gross margin there. And again, the subscription fee is it's our mechanism for being able to engage with those types of very highly motivated, and engaged agents within the market that are willing to invest capital upfront in order to get access to leads and listings and all the other great products and services that Offerpad can offer them there. Speaker 300:28:16So again, as a subscription based type fee coming through, that's another kind of 90% type gross margin ultimately. Speaker 600:28:27Great. Really appreciate all that color. Very helpful. And just a follow-up here. You mentioned another $30,000,000 I think of cost efficiencies you expect to realize in 2024. Speaker 600:28:38Is that mainly driven by the annualization of the expense efficiencies you drove last year or is any of that incremental? If so, any color on where those savings are coming from? Thanks. Speaker 300:28:52Yes, great question. It is a little bit of both. So we did kind of continue to optimize the cost structure through the end of the year. So part of that is going to be coming through from that standpoint. The other part is going to be a lot of our focus and attention invested in our partnership program. Speaker 300:29:10And then overall what that means from a CAC perspective and what we need to invest into kind of direct marketing in order to generate the amount of leads necessary for the business. So I view the annualization part really tied to what the kind of expense management we're doing at the end of the year, but then also carry forward some more marketing efficiencies throughout the year as well. Operator00:29:33Okay. Thanks for taking the questions. Thank you for your question. Thanks, Ryan. Next question is from the line of Michael Ng with Goldman Sachs. Operator00:29:41Your line is now open. Speaker 700:29:44Hey, good afternoon. Thank you for the question. It was encouraging to hear about the renewal extension of the 3 credit facilities. I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the changes in the terms of those facilities. I think you said there was an adjustment on target size. Speaker 700:30:02Like how should we think about how that translates into your home purchase and selling prices on a go forward basis? And could you just remind us what the current capacity is today and what percentage of the capacity was renewed? Thank you. Speaker 300:30:26Yes, great question. So right now where we ended the year from an overall capacity standpoint and don't expect imminent changes right now with the new renewals coming up for a bit of time here is we had about 5 $60,000,000 of committed capacity and another $4.90 ish of uncommitted capacity for a little bit over $1,000,000,000 total. Historically, we've had the ability to flex in and out of our uncommitted capacity overall. But right now with we ended the year with about $260,000,000 of total outstanding debt. We felt that the changes that we made in overall committed capacity were pretty prudent just given our expectations of what we're seeing from a volume perspective of the kind of the balance sheet side of the business there. Speaker 300:31:16So again, feel very good about those renewals that we put in place. Importantly, we maintain those key terms around advance rates and funding mechanics that really allow us to be really efficient with our capital and purchase the amount of homes that we do. Speaker 700:31:32Okay, great. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:37Thank you for your question. The question and answer session has concluded. I will now turn the call over to Brian Baer, Chairman and CEO for closing remarks. Speaker 200:31:49All right. Just really proud of the team and hitting the getting the scale and getting these asset light services the way up and going into 2024. But appreciate to everyone and all their hard work. And thank you for everyone joining the call. Operator00:32:05That concludes the conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by