FS KKR Capital Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 27, 2024

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to FS, KKR Capital Corporation's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Your lines will be in a listen only mode during remarks by FSK's management. At the conclusion of the company's remarks, we will begin the question and answer session. At which time, I will give you instructions on entering the queue. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

Operator

At this time, Robert Paun, Head of Investor Relations will proceed with the introduction. Mr. Paun, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to FS KKR Capital Corp's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that FS KKR Capital Corp. May be referred to as FSK, the Fund or the Company throughout the call. Today's conference call is being recorded and an audio replay of the call will be available for 30 days.

Speaker 1

Replay information is included in a press release that FSK issued yesterday. In addition, FSK has posted on its website a presentation containing supplemental financial information with respect to its portfolio and financial performance for the quarter ended December 31, 2023. A link to today's webcast and the presentation is available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website under Events and Presentations. Please note that this call is the property of FSK. Any unauthorized rebroadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited.

Speaker 1

Today's conference call includes forward looking statements and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could affect FSK or the economy generally. We ask that you refer to FSK's most recent filings with the SEC for important factors and risks that could cause actual results or outcomes to differ materially from these statements. FSK does not undertake to update its forward looking statements unless required to do so by law. In addition, this call will include certain non GAAP financial measures. For such measures, reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in FSK's 4th quarter earnings release that was filed with the SEC on February 26, 2024.

Speaker 1

Non GAAP information should be considered supplemental in nature and should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the related financial information prepared in accordance with GAAP. In addition, these non GAAP financial measures may not be the same as similarly named measures reported by other companies. To obtain copies of the company's latest SEC filings, please visit FSK's website. Speaking on today's call will be Michael Forman, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Sam Pietrzak, Chief Investment Officer and Co President Brian Gerson, Co President and Stephen Lilly, Chief Financial Officer. Also joining us in the room are Co Chief Operating Officers, Drew O'Toole and Ryan Wilson.

Speaker 1

I will now turn the call over to Michael.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Robert, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us for FSK's Q4 and full year 2023 earnings conference call. During 2023, FSK accomplished many key objectives. First, our total investment income grew approximately 12% year over year. 2nd, our adjusted net investment income per share increased by approximately 6% year over year.

Speaker 2

3rd, for the full year, FSK generated an ROE of 10%. 4th, we paid $2.95 per share in total distributions in 2023, representing an 11% increase over distributions paid in 2022, equating to a 12% yield on our average net asset value during the year. 5th, we continue to optimizing our capital by amending and upsizing our revolver in October and issuing $400,000,000 of unsecured notes in early November. In terms of our 4th quarter results, we generated net investment income totaling $0.71 per share and adjusted net investment income totaling $0.75 per share. During the Q4, our investment team originated approximately $680,000,000 of new investments, resulting in net portfolio growth of approximately 162,000,000 dollars Our net asset value declined by 1.7% for the quarter, primarily due to specific challenges associated with a few credits, which we will discuss in more detail later in the call.

Speaker 2

From a liquidity perspective, we ended the quarter with approximately $3,900,000,000 of available liquidity. Based upon our overall operating results, our Board has declared a 1st quarter distribution of $0.70 per share consisting of our base distribution of $0.64 per share and a supplemental distribution of $0.06 per share. Also, as we mentioned on our last earnings call in early November, our Board declared a special distribution totaling $0.10 per share. This special distribution will be paid in 2 equal installments of $0.05 per share in the 1st and second quarters of this year and will be paid in addition to our quarterly base and supplemental distributions. Based on the continued trajectory of the company's earnings power, coupled with our view that interest rate reductions will be more muted than some market participants expect, we are pleased to provide forward looking dividend guidance for the full year 20 24 as we currently expect our base and supplemental distributions will total at least $0.70 per share per quarter throughout the year.

Speaker 2

Combining our $0.70 per share quarterly distributions for the full year with our $0.02 per share special distributions to be paid during February May, investors should expect to receive a minimum of $2.90 per share of total distributions during 2024. This equates to an 11.9% yield on our current net asset value and an annualized yield of approximately 14.3% based on our recent share price. While Dan will discuss the current market environment in greater detail, we continue to be optimistic about the significant growth trends within the private credit sector, which we believe will provide meaningful benefits for our industry for many years to come. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Dan and the team to provide additional color on the market and the quarter.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Michael. Looking back on 2023, I am pleased with the results for FSK as we produced an ROE of 10% and we continue to take positive steps rotating our investment portfolio. Looking back on the last 6 years since the establishment of the FSK KKR Advisor, I take great pride in the team's accomplishments as well as the continued growth of the KKR Credit platform, which has current assets under management of $219,000,000,000 Within FSK, we have originated over $22,000,000,000 of new investments and we have an annualized depreciation rate, which includes both realized and unrealized amounts of less than 50 basis points. In terms of the current economic and market environment, with U. S.

Speaker 3

Inflation beginning to stabilize, combined with significant private equity dry powder, pent up demand from an M and A perspective, as well as the desire for private equity fund LPs to see a higher level of return of capital. We expect to see a material increase in private market transaction activity during 2024, which we believe will be weighted towards the second half of the year. As Michael mentioned, private credit continues to be an exceptionally attractive asset class due to its directly negotiated transactions, attractive total returns and significant issuer diversification. As a result, even if the syndicated debt markets become more active during 2024, which we expect they will, we believe private credit structures will continue to be one of the primary avenues for many sponsors, as there is an increasing desire for sponsors to know their lenders. With that said, we are seeing spread compression in the upper end of the middle market with spreads back to January 2022 levels.

Speaker 3

In addition, still elevated interest rates, supply chain disruptions due to the Middle East crisis and inventory destocking could potentially lead to a slowdown in economic growth. These market inputs will require borrowers and lenders to remain cautious during the coming quarters. In terms of our most recent results, this macro backdrop created challenges for a few of our portfolio companies during the Q4. Specifically, Miami Beach Medical Group and Reliant Rehab, two names we have discussed on prior calls, continue to be affected by higher wage pressures and a challenging Medicare reimbursement environment. And while we do not have any meaningful additional exposure to Medicare reimbursement dependent companies, Both of these issuers were placed on non accrual during the Q4.

Speaker 3

Additionally, late in Q4, we received an update from Kellenmeyer Bergenson Services, another name we have discussed on prior earnings calls, which showed a material deterioration in the company's forward earning projections. KBS is a labor intensive facilities maintenance business and the impact of higher interest rates, wage inflation and a loss of certain customers has resulted in restructuring discussions. The first step of the restructuring was completed during the Q4, which resulted in a portion of our investment in KBS being placed on non accrual. We expect the full restructuring to occur in the near term. Our workout team has been active on these names for some time.

Speaker 3

And as Brian will discuss, they have achieved positive results, including significant principal paydowns at par and meaningful progress towards debt restructurings. Turning to investment activity. During the Q4, we originated $680,000,000 of new investments. Approximately 58% of our new investments were focused on add on financings to existing portfolio companies and long term KKR relationships. Our new investments, combined with $518,000,000 of net sales and repayments when factoring in sales to our joint venture equated to a net portfolio increase of $162,000,000 We are pleased with the quality of our new originations.

Speaker 3

During the Q4, our direct lending investments had a weighted average EBITDA approximately $250,000,000 5.3x leverage through our security and a 60% equity contribution, all with a weighted average coupon of approximately sulfur+600. We also continue to see very attractive opportunities at asset based finance with our investments this quarter having a weighted average projected IRR of approximately 14%. One asset based finance investment worth noting is vehicle secured funding trust, which is an approximately $7,000,000,000 secured portfolio of super prime RV loans that we purchased from the Bank of Montreal. Given the scale of our Asset Based Finance business and the experience of the team, we were able to acquire this high quality loan portfolio on attractive terms. While the macro backdrop suggests a continued uncertain economic environment in 2024, we continue to see portfolio company revenue and earnings growth.

Speaker 3

We remain focused on large, high quality borrowers with strong operating margins and significant equity cushions. The weighted average EBITDA of our portfolio companies was $236,000,000 as of December 31, 2023. Additionally, our portfolio companies reported a weighted average year over year EBITDA growth rate of approximately 6% across companies in which we have invested in since April of 2018. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian to discuss our portfolio in more detail.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Dan. As of December 31, 2023, our investment portfolio had a fair value of 14.6 $1,000,000,000 consisting of 2 0 4 portfolio companies. This compares to a fair value of $14,700,000,000 and 200 Portfolio Companies as of September 30, 2023. At the end of the 4th quarter, our 10 largest portfolio companies represented approximately 19% of the fair value of our portfolio, which is consistent with prior quarters. We continue to focus on senior secured investments as our portfolio consists of approximately 58% first lien loans and 66% senior secured debt as of December 31.

Speaker 4

In addition, our joint venture represented 9.5% of the fair value of our portfolio. As a result, when investors consider our entire portfolio, looking through to the investments in our joint venture, then first lien loans totaled approximately 67% of our total portfolio and senior secured investments totaled approximately 75% of our portfolio as of December 31. The weighted average yield on occurring debt investments was 12.2% as of December 31, 2023, which was flat compared to the yield as of September 30. As a reminder, the calculation of weighted average yield is adjusted to exclude the accretion associated with the merger with FSKR. Including the effects of our investment activity during the Q4, as of December 31, 2023, approximately 87% of our total investment portfolio is comprised of investments originated either by KKR Credit or the FS KKR Advisor.

Speaker 4

From a non accrual perspective, as of the end of Q4, our non accruals represented approximately 8.9% of our portfolio on a cost basis and 5.5 percent of our portfolio on a fair value basis. We believe it is also helpful to provide the market with information based on the assets originated by KKR Credit. As of the end of Q4, non accruals related to the 87% of our total portfolio, which has been originated by KKR Credit and the FS KKR Advisor were 5.1% on a cost basis and 2.6% on a fair value basis. During the Q4, we placed 5 investments on non accrual with a combined cost and fair value of $654,000,000 $422,000,000 respectively. The credit stress we have seen in these names primarily relates to the factors that Dan mentioned earlier.

Speaker 4

Specifically, Miami Beach Medical Group and Reliant Rehab continue to be affected by higher wage pressures and a challenging Medicare reimbursement environment. Miami Beach is the 2nd largest independent provider of capitated primary care services to Medicare Advantage plans in South Florida. Reliant is hired by skilled nursing facilities to provide outsourced physical and occupational therapy and has also been impacted by a post COVID environment where skilled nursing facilities are more reluctant to bring outside personnel into their facilities. During the Q4, we restructured our Alliant $125,000,000 first lien term loan into a cash pay 60 $2,500,000 first out term loan and a $62,500,000 second out term loan, which was placed on non accrual. Due to the proactive work of the KKR workout team, to date we have received par pay downs of over $100,000,000 in Reliant Rehab and $75,000,000 on Miami Beach.

Speaker 4

KBS is a labor intensive facilities maintenance business and the impact of higher interest rates, wage inflation and the loss of certain customers has resulted in restructuring discussions. The first step of the restructuring was completed during the Q4, which resulted in our $366,000,000 1st lien loan exposure being restructured into $166,000,000 first out and a $200,000,000 second out term loan with the second out investment in KBS being placed on non accrual. We expect a full consensual restructuring to occur in the near term, which will result in the lenders equitizing a portion of the second out and taking control of the company. Our 1st lien position in Sleeping Corp of America, which is the largest outsourced provider of street and parking lot sweeping services in the U. S.

Speaker 4

Was placed on non accrual due to poor integration of add on acquisitions and higher than expected customer churn following price increases. We are actively negotiating with the sponsor regarding restructuring, which will result in the sponsor investing a meaningful amount of equity into the company and the majority of the position going back on accrual. Additionally, our preferred stock position in JW Aluminum was placed on non accrual based on the company's total enterprise value, contributing $215,000,000 of cost and $149,000,000 of fair value to our portfolio. JW Aluminum continues to perform well with strong EBITDA growth. However, given our preferred equity position, our current view of enterprise value does not support continuing to accrue on the name.

Speaker 4

In terms of one other portfolio update, Solera, a borrower which switched to PIK accrual from cash accrual 2 quarters ago, returned to cash accrual as expected during the Q4. This change accounted for the majority of the reduction in our PIK interest income recognized during the quarter. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Steven to go through our financial results.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Brian. Our total investment income decreased by $18,000,000 quarter over quarter to $447,000,000 primarily due to the specific portfolio company results Dan and Brian mentioned, as well as lower quarterly asset based finance dividends. The primary components of our total investment income during the quarter were as follows. Total interest income was $368,000,000 a decrease of $6,000,000 quarter over quarter. Dividend and fee income totaled $79,000,000 a decrease of $12,000,000 quarter over quarter.

Speaker 5

Our total dividend and fee income during the quarter is summarized as follows: $51,000,000 of recurring dividend income from our joint venture, other dividends from various portfolio companies totaling approximately $16,000,000 during the quarter and fee income totaling approximately $12,000,000 during the quarter. Our interest expense totaled $118,000,000 an increase of $1,000,000 quarter over quarter and our weighted average cost of debt was 5.4% as of December 31. Management fees totaled $56,000,000 unchanged quarter over quarter and incentive fees totaled $41,000,000 a decrease of $6,000,000 quarter over quarter. Other expenses totaled $10,000,000 during the 4th quarter, a decrease of $1,000,000 The detailed bridge in our net asset value per share on a quarter over quarter basis is as follows. Our ending 3Q 2023 net asset value per share of $24.89 was increased by GAAP net investment income of $0.71 per share and was decreased by $0.39 per share due to a decrease in the overall value of our investment portfolio.

Speaker 5

Our net asset value per share was reduced by our $0.70 per share quarterly distribution and the $0.05 per share special distribution. Some of these activities results in our December 31, 2023 net asset value per share of $24.46 From a forward looking guidance perspective, we expect Q1 2024 GAAP net investment income to approximate $0.73 per share and we expect our adjusted net investment income to approximate $0.71 per share. Detailed Q1 guidance is as follows. Our recurring interest income on a GAAP basis is expected to approximate $348,000,000 We expect recurring dividend income associated with our joint venture to approximate $51,000,000 We expect other fee and dividend income to approximate $30,000,000 during the Q1. From an expense standpoint, we expect our management fees to approximate $55,000,000 We expect incentive fees to approximate $42,000,000 We expect our interest expense to approximate $117,000,000 and we expect other G and A expenses to approximate $10,000,000 And as Michael indicated during his remarks, we currently expect our distributions during the year will total at least $2.90 per share, comprised of $2.80 per share of quarterly distributions and $0.10 per share of special distributions during the first half of the year.

Speaker 5

Our gross and net debt to equity levels were 120% and 113%, respectively, at December 31, 2023, compared to 115% 110% as of September 30, 2023. At December 31, our available liquidity was $3,900,000,000 and approximately 63% of our drawn balance sheet and 44% of our committed balance sheet was comprised of unsecured debt. Additionally, in November, we issued $400,000,000 of 7.875 percent unsecured notes due 2029, further enhancing our balance sheet and liquidity position and extending our maturity ladder. And with that, I'll turn the call back to Michael for a few closing remarks before we open the call for questions.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Stephen. In 2023, FSK shareholders earned a total return of over 30%. And from a forward looking perspective, giving our earnings prospect for the year, we believe we'll continue to provide shareholders with an attractive distribution and total return in 2024. And while we were disappointed with the challenged credits during the Q4, the temporary loss in revenue associated with these companies does not alter the long term view of our ability to continue to provide investors with an above average dividend yield going forward. On behalf of our team, we thank you all for joining the call and for your continued support.

Speaker 2

And with that, operator, we'd like to open the call for questions.

Operator

And our first question comes from the line of John Hecht from Jefferies. Your question please.

Speaker 6

Hey guys, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just on credit, maybe could you just give us an update on Global Jet and then maybe talk about kind of the pipeline of credit as you see other companies within the portfolio that are exposed to either wage pressures or interest rate pressures? And given that inflation and rates are now stabilizing, are those types of issues starting to stabilize as well?

Speaker 3

Yes. Good morning, John. Maybe starting with Global Jet, it's a fair question. It is a decent sized position. It is a name that is on non accrual.

Speaker 3

I think it's just north of 2% of the non accrual balance. I think on the positive side of the story, though, the business continues to perform quite well. I think there's actually not a even delinquent sort of line item in their entire leasing or sort of loan book. So the management team there has done a very good job. That market has held up sort of quite well.

Speaker 3

As you recall, that's more of a Finco who does loan and leasing to the private jet space, which has had no pun intended a good sort of tailwind behind it for the last several years. I think on the credit side, it obviously is sort of a tough quarter with some of these names. I mean, you've got some sector issues with the Medicare reimbursement space. You've got kind of wage inflation, a bit of a common theme. We haven't necessarily seen that abate yet.

Speaker 3

I think we are kind of cautious on kind of macro so that generally, I think the rates for sort of higher will continue to put kind of free cash flow stress on companies. I think those who have the big wage footprint could be a challenge. But I think we are seeing revenue growth across the portfolio. I think there's always going to be a watch list in the credit business of kind of names on it, but there's not really much in the near term sort of watch list that probably has us sort of focused other than the names that we're sort of talking about sort of here on the call today. So I guess just a quick summary, Global Jet Comp feels in a pretty good spot from just an overall credit perspective and kind of mindful about risk, but rest of the portfolio feels okay.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. And then just thinking about 2024, I guess, kind of balancing your cautious outlook along with the other side of the story, which is that there's the deal environment, it looks like it's improving over the course of the year given the, I guess, the private equity framework out there. We kind of maybe balance your perspectives on the leverage that you're willing to put on the book relative to where you are now? And then maybe thinking about interest rates, kind of your willingness or your appetite to use the revolver to fund growth relative to other sources of capital?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, a couple of common questions in there. I mean, I guess, 1st and foremost, we're not going to change, I think, sort of our leverage target, I think we feel comfortable with inside the range we talked about. I think kind of 1.3 percent to 1.1.8 percent to the 1.2 percent feels like a good number. So yes, we do have some room for some growth, but I think we're going to be mindful about going above any sort of target there.

Speaker 3

The deal environment, we are expecting more robust deal flow just generally in private markets. Obviously, M and A has been quite slow now for approaching 2 years. You do have, I think, a bit of a situation out there where LPs and private equity funds are looking for return of capital. So there is some pressure on what I'd call the selling side. And then there remains a fair amount of dry powder on the buying side.

Speaker 3

And I think the market has been waiting for a belief that inflation has kind of stabilized, which I think Broadstruck would agree with that. I think you're still going to see it in sort of some spots. Our view has been and kind of remains that the rate environment will remain elevated for some period of time. I think the market got a fair amount of euphoria around they're almost pricing in service 6 rate cuts, which we just didn't see. I think you'll see some downward movement in rates, but probably pretty muted during the course of 2024.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. Thanks. Thanks, Justin.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Price Ro from B. Riley. Your question

Speaker 7

please. Thanks. Good morning. Wanted to maybe follow-up on John's question there about the balance sheet use of leverage. Dan, it certainly sounds like you're comfortable maybe going a little bit higher from a leverage perspective.

Speaker 7

But do you want to get a sense for what that leverage might look like, especially with some note maturities that come up here in the second half of '24 and in the first half of 'twenty five. Just trying to get a feel for how the debt stack might look as we get to about this time next year? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. And I'm happy to do that and good morning. I think we're pretty happy with where we sit from a liability perspective. We increased and extended the revolver during the course of 2023. Again, revolver provides a lot of flexibility to us.

Speaker 3

Obviously, we've got a lot of capacity on that. We did the note issuance that we mentioned in our prepared remarks. That was essentially prefunding these kind of near term maturities that are out there. So I think you should see us to remain consistent with how we think about the right side of the balance sheet. The revolver will be important.

Speaker 3

We will keep looking to extend that every so often to keep it more of a long term maturity. We will continue to access the unsecured sort of bond market. We have used CLOs in the past. That may be something else we should consider. But I think we want to be cautious on the liability side, operate with inside that target leverage, be a frequent participant in the market.

Speaker 3

I think those are important pieces of, I think, BDC balance sheets. And I think we've done a good job there over the last several years and we intend to continue that.

Speaker 7

Great. That's helpful color. And then maybe one more just around the spread environment. I mean, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that spreads were back to January 2022 levels. Can you talk about kind of how it might feel with the environment the way it is right now?

Speaker 7

I guess the prepared comments you made about market activity possibly picking up. Do you think that there will be more spread compression from here or a bit of a stabilization going forward?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, obviously the spread moves have been, I think, pretty material sort of both sides, right? Kind of your regular way loan in January of 2022, I would say it would have been 550,575 that gapped out arguably to 675 with kind of more fees and sort of more call pro during the summer of 'twenty three and now you've kind of come back. I think part of that move back has been that lack of deal flow. We've had a pretty decent origination number this quarter inside of FSK and even sort of across the platform, but just that regular way deal volume is lower.

Speaker 3

So I think that there is a bit of a, we'll call it, technical in there. So I think we're getting maybe close to the point of maybe that bottom on sort of spread moves, maybe even see a little bit sort of wider if that volume picks up kind of more normally, but maybe TBD on that. The only point that I would say though is I do think the quality of risk that we're seeing is quite good and what we're getting paid in a total return to the fashion. These loans are still paying roughly 11% when you factor in some amortization of the upfront fee instead of OID. To get paid back on a level for the size of companies that we're seeing for the equity contributions that are below us, it feels like very good risk adjusted return.

Speaker 3

So we're not entirely surprised by that spread move. Usually when your benchmark kind of gaps out, especially as much as it did for how these loans are priced, which is SOFR based, you don't get the benefit of spread wide too, Right? So I think we're not surprised by that move. And I just 11% for this type of risk feels pretty good.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Finian O'Shea from Wells Fargo. Your question please.

Speaker 8

Hey everyone, good morning.

Speaker 3

Good morning Matt. How are you?

Speaker 9

So first question I want to hit on the partial accruals. It looks like we have a couple of new examples with the Kellermeier and Reliant Rehab cases this quarter, but it does seem to be a general practice where you're acknowledging that you won't fully recover the investment you made, but then you carve out a piece that allows you to run interest income through and that can create the impression that you're further super prioritizing your performance fee at the expense of shareholder recovery. So can you outline the thinking in these setups? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. No, happy to Fin. And I would put it in context with maybe just the way a normal restructuring works, right? But just to take these two cases kind of individually, we talked about these in the prepared remarks. I mean on KBS, I think the first step of that restructuring has taken place.

Speaker 3

We expect there to be a consensual sort of handover of that business. So the loan has essentially been right sized for what that amount will be on kind of the go forward basis. Reliant, I think not entirely the same situation, but that loan has been placed and has been restructured into 2 pieces. 1 of those pieces is regular rate cash pay. One of them has the ability for the borrower and the sponsor a and effectively reinvest in the business.

Speaker 3

So I don't think that it's entirely just think when you restructure a company, you are going to put a debt claim back on that company. You are going to sort of own equity in that sort of company on the other side. I'd equate it similar to the situations that are here. The only other point I would note is, it is more likely than not that on the two examples that we just talked about, at least one of them, if not both of them, the pieces that we put on non accrual will pay cash in the coming quarter or coming quarters, but we would just use that to reduce the basis.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thanks. And then just, zooming out a follow on the Advisor joint venture. There's a lot of discussions still on of your success in rotation, but the new FS care advisor is starting to chalk up its own sometimes significant credit losses. So do you think like is it time maybe to look more inward?

Speaker 9

And on that matter, is the partnership model really working the right way for shareholders? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes, and I'm happy to do it. I think the partnership model has worked quite well. And I think, Vin, you got to look at the numbers a bit, right? When we did take over this portfolio, it was and then the entities which should have merged, it was roughly 70 5% sort of legacy assets, 25 percent of the KKR originated. That's 87.13 today the other way, including one of the large positions as part of that $13,000,000 would have repaid in January.

Speaker 3

You look at just total originations, I mean look at $22,000,000 $23 odd 1,000,000,000 of originations inside of FSK since April of 2018 and a 50 basis point or sub-fifty basis point sort of depreciation rate, which is realized and unrealized numbers like that's pretty good. And I look at our kind of performance on the institutional funds that was investing in the same assets, which has that sort of vintage, like those are sort of, I think, pretty strong numbers. So we're not happy with the quarter here. I think we can be honest with that. And we were always expecting a certain amount of either non accruals or challenges in assets that we invested.

Speaker 3

It is a credit book, right? But I do think it's a pretty interesting stat. You look at roughly half of the non accruals are coming from 87% of the portfolio and roughly half of the non accruals are coming from 13% of the portfolio. So we know we're in the business of in the credit business, you need to be right sort of 99 out of 100 times, right? I think these credits, we've got a lot of focus on them from the deal team, the restructuring team, and we're going to look to maximize value there.

Speaker 3

But I think that $22,000,000,000 to $23,000,000,000 is a pretty real number as is that sub-fifty basis point depreciation rate.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Casey Alexander from Compass Point. Your question please.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning. Not to over nitpick, but in relation to Miami Beach and Reliant, Medicare reimbursement has been an area that private credit managers have assiduously avoided. So I'm curious when were those underwritten and kind of what was the base case that made you comfortable that you could underwrite a Medicare reimbursement model? And then how did that get sideways and lead us again through the potential recoveries on this?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, happy to. And then frame them both. I mean, they were both done essentially prior to COVID or at least in kind of the earliest sort of days of COVID. Both of these deals would have been well south of 50 LTV from an equity perspective.

Speaker 3

I think, Casey, one of the interesting things is these were both sponsor owned businesses. The sponsors injected a meaningful amount of additional capital in the sort of post close. That's the reference we made that we got $175,000,000 of par debt pay downs along the way. So I think that's been a good result and we'll make out of a when we think about a net recovery rate on the overall loan sort of much higher and makes these kind of smaller positions to where we sit today. I think that the path to reach is probably still an active dialogue.

Speaker 3

I mean, we have been approached for certain of these or either of them with inbound sort of M and A sort of opportunities or merger opportunities. I think there will be some settling of these businesses over the, we'll call it, the medium to sort of long term, but they were materially impacted from COVID, it's probably specifically Reliance. And we'll do what we can to kind of maximize value. But I would these weren't kind of one off kind of random things. I mean, big name, I think, kind of sponsors in there, larger equity checks.

Speaker 3

We thought we were well downside protected. We've taken real principal dollars off the table along

Speaker 8

the way. All right. Thank you for that. And second, my follow-up question is, stock is now once again at a pretty elevated discount to NAV. Is there an existing share repurchase program?

Speaker 8

And are we at levels where you think the Board would consider starting to act on a share repurchase program given the elevated level of the discount?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, I think we've been active here in the past just in terms of the sheer number of dollars that we have repurchased. Obviously, we've been rewarding shareholders with ensuring we're paying out kind of all the earnings we earned. I think that we essentially declared $0.20 of specials this year, right? So even though you look at our kind of year on year, so the numbers that 10% ROE and you do see a 1.7% to the NAV decline after the specials that's closer to 85 basis points.

Speaker 3

It is a conversation we frequently have with the Board. We'll continue to do that, but it is something we've did in the past and we'll have it under consideration. Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Paul Johnson from KBW. Your question please.

Speaker 10

Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I'm just curious, so any of the non accruals, the new non accruals this quarter, do any of those overlap with the joint venture? And was that I guess what drove the lower mark on the joint venture this quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. So just to level set again, I mean, obviously, we went through the names that we put on non accrual, 5 in total. 2 of those relate to the Medicare reimbursement story, 2 of those relate to the wage kind of inflation piece and maybe some of the roll ups. And JWA was like more of an EB point than a performance point. And then we took two names kind of off non accrual.

Speaker 3

There was some overlap with these names between FSK and the JV. I think KBS and Reliant would have been the bigger of those, but smaller sized dollars kind of in the JV. If you do recall the JV, most of the assets are kind of originated onto the FSK balance sheet and then we're creating that portfolio down at the JV. A little bit strategically based upon the purpose of the JV, but then also just thinking about broader kind of diversification and portfolio management. So a little bit of overlap, but not every day.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thanks. And then, for any of these non accruals, new or existing, I guess, we're talking about KBS, the sweeping. I mean, are any of these in any way related to kind of the downturn in the CRE market, just kind of referring to like lower CapEx and lower property level budgets? Is that are any of these related to that situation?

Speaker 3

It's an interesting question and I think a thoughtful one considering what's going on sort of that office market. It's not a big driver here though. I think the big driver is more wage inflation and then sort of higher interest costs, higher sort of debt costs, creating kind of limited sort of free cash flow. And then when you sort of I think exacerbate that or include that in a situation where KBS had, we'll call it, some revenue volatility. It had extremely strong performance during and right after COVID.

Speaker 3

That was always going to sort of fall off a bit, but probably fell off a little bit more than sort of folks' expectations. So it has to be a certain amount of a factor, but I just don't find it. I just don't think it's material or sort of major one.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thanks. That's helpful. And last one, just kind of stepping back here, just on the pipeline. Just any high level comments you might have on kind of the outlook for the year?

Speaker 10

And just I'm also sort of curious what the pipeline looks like today maybe compared to like a year ago, beginning of last year? That's all for me. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. No, and it's in line with, I think, what we sort of talked about either from the remarks or maybe John hacks to the question. But it feels like it will be a more active 'twenty four. It feels like there's pressure on both sides, for lack of a better word, to do deals. I think the valuation mismatch that existed to get the willing buyer, willing seller there started to sort of fall away.

Speaker 3

Obviously, the syndicated loan markets have started to return. I think that would be highly correlated to just more M and A volumes that are coming through. That is our expectation. I think it will be weighted to the back half of 'twenty four just because as we're seeing more and more kind of processes either being considered or started, It would take time to get those done for the deals assigned, the deals to close. So that would probably point to fundings more in the second half of the year.

Speaker 3

Obviously, that should be accretive to fee income, which has been historically low for us during the course of 2023. Thank you both.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Kenneth Lee from RBC Capital Markets. Your question please.

Speaker 11

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Wondering if you could just share some thoughts around where you think portfolio average interest coverage ratios could trough and perhaps just give us a little color around what you're seeing from portfolio companies in terms of managing across the elevated interest expense there? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks for the question. I think we have sort of trough, right? You start to see sulfur trend down this kind of past quarter, although that number is de minimis, I think it was like 7 basis points on average across the portfolio. I don't as I said before, I don't believe in the 6 rate cuts, but I think you will start to see that, I think, trend out sort of overall.

Speaker 3

So I think we have kind of hit the bottom there. I would note, Ken, for your benefit, I think there's only 7 or 8 names in the portfolio that have an interest coverage less than 1. So that's roughly 200 names, so kind of small sort of percentage there. But I think you'll see that 1.5 sort of start to tick up over the course of 2024. And I think in terms of how they're managing, I think they're doing kind of all they can, sort of pulling the levers they can.

Speaker 3

A decent amount of companies did have a certain amount of hedges, but they were never perfect. A lot of those sort of could be rolling off. So I think it is an environment that portfolio companies, CFOs or the treasurers obviously have a lot to do these days and have to spend a lot of time sort of focused on that. And I think the majority of the portfolio has done a good job with them.

Speaker 4

The other thing, Brian, the other thing that we've seen is for our more acquisitive companies, sponsor raising junior capital typically pick preferred or something like that to continue to drive acquisition strategies and growth. So as well as sponsors contributing equity on their own. So we're definitely seeing some junior capital support in certain companies.

Speaker 11

Got you. Very helpful there. And just one follow-up, if I may. Wonder if you could just talk about what you're seeing around either covenants or documentation for investments, especially within the upper middle market segment? Yes.

Speaker 3

I think, Ken, documentation I think is held, right? I think people know that we're in I like to say we're in the storage business in direct lending and private credit, so they're not in the moving business. So I think things like collateral stripping or other terms like that have kind of not made their way into the market. I think covenants is a little bit more sort of case specific. I think as we've just been more and more active in sort of larger size deals, I mean the EBITDA numbers I spoke on in the prepared remarks, dollars 250,000,000 plus, You're getting less access to what I would call financial covenants, but you're lending to better companies, which I think we're sort of comfortable with that.

Speaker 3

I don't think those size numbers though will necessarily be sustainable, right? As companies have access to the public market, some of them will take that. I think we'll average more down in line with what our historical kind of medians or weighted average numbers have been. But there will be certain parts of or certain sort of sectors or size of companies where we would only do the deal with the financial covenant. Larger companies, I think we'll be a little bit more flexible there because we're going to like the credit risk.

Speaker 11

Got you. Very helpful there. Thanks again.

Speaker 3

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes from Tuohy Securities. Your question please.

Speaker 1

Yes, thank you. Good morning. Looks like you had some good success with the asset based finance in the quarter. Is there anything there that was just kind of opportunistic or is there more activity?

Speaker 3

Yes. And thanks for the question, Mark. A little bit more, I'd say, activity. The one deal I mentioned in the prepared remarks, the high FICO sort of loan book out of BMO, we were pretty excited about that $7 odd,000,000,000 portfolio. We're pretty constructive on the prime and sort of super prime part of the consumer sort of portfolios about this.

Speaker 3

I think we're happy to be in that. The 2 other names just you have it that probably drove that. We talked about on prior calls the deal with PayPal in Europe, that transaction funded. So we're happy to see that getting off to a good start. And then we did do a receivables facility.

Speaker 3

I think there was a press release out there on it for a company, Weber. So those were the 3 big drivers. But we do think that's a really interesting space right now. We do think what's going on with the regional banks in the United States allows us to potentially acquire assets or fill certain voids. So that's an area we're spending a lot of time on.

Speaker 1

Understood. And then you talked about some pressure on spreads in the I think for larger deals. Does that extend down to the middle market, smaller deals?

Speaker 3

Yes, we do see it kind of extending. I mean, I think we're our definition of upper end of the middle market is pretty broad, right? We're thinking about companies historically in the kind of 50 to 150 context. Obviously, we've been above that with the numbers that we quoted in the remarks around the deal flow in Q4. I do think it's an important point though to think about what the total return is on these deals versus the risk you're taking versus where you're sitting in the capital structure as sort of still pretty darn interesting risk adjusted returns, but spreads kind of definitely did move in Q4 downward.

Speaker 3

Understood. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Robert Dodd from Raymond James. Your question please.

Speaker 12

Good morning. If I can ask another kind of another question about the JV, right? So if we look at the BDC, total income dropped 3.5%, I think this quarter. But within the JV, it was down more than double that, north of 8%. Yes, there's some same exposure in Reliant, KBS, MOWANO, where the dividend is dropping.

Speaker 12

But can you walk us through about what's driving that greater decline at the JV than you're experiencing at the BDC? And given that the guidance for the dividend for Q1 is down again, it appears maybe whatever is driving that isn't over yet. So can you give us any color on that?

Speaker 3

Yes. It's a fair question. I think part of it and Steve and Lily might want to sort of add to this as well. But part of it was just a certain amount of larger fee income or ABF dividends on names that were probably overweight in the joint venture flowing through in Q3 than they were in Q4. There's nothing kind of broader than that visavis kind of the rest of the portfolio there.

Speaker 3

If anything, I think we've got room to grow the joint venture, room to sort of increase kind of dividends that can be paid out there over the coming quarters or during the overall kind of 2,000 sort of 24. But if you have any of that stuff, that's exactly it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to Dan Pietrzak for any further remarks.

Speaker 3

Well, thank you all for joining the call today and the support during 2023. If you do have any follow ups, please let us know. We're very happy to spend the time. Thanks and have a good day.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good

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