Sitio Royalties Q4 2023 Earnings Report Earnings HistoryForecast Sitio Royalties EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.12Consensus EPS $0.16Beat/MissBeat by +$0.96One Year Ago EPSN/ASitio Royalties Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$149.35 millionExpected Revenue$156.67 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$7.32 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASitio Royalties Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/28/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, February 29, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistorySTR ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Sitio Royalties Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 29, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Citiya Royalties Q4 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Chat, and I'll be the coordinator for this call today. After the presentation, there will be a Q and A session where you'll have the opportunity to ask questions. I'd now like to hand over to Ross Wong, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations to begin. Ross, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:28Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:00:30Welcome to the City Speaker 100:00:31of Royalty's 4th quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. If you don't already have a copy of our recent press release and updated investor presentation, please visit our website at www.cidio.com, where you will find them in our Investor Relations section. With me today to discuss Q4 and full year 2023 financial and operating results is Chris Conasenti, our Chief Executive Officer Karrios Tsika, our Chief Financial Officer and Dakt McDavid, our EVP of Corporate Development and other members of our executive leadership team. Before we start, I would like to remind you that our discussion today may contain forward looking statements and non GAAP measures. Please refer to our earnings press release, investor presentation and publicly filed documents for additional information regarding such forward looking statements and non GAAP measures. Speaker 100:01:22And with that, I'll turn the call over to Chris. Speaker 300:01:25Thanks, Ross. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining CITIO's Q4 and full year 2023 earnings call. Before discussing 4th quarter results, I want to provide an update on our return of capital framework, which going forward will include dividends and the ability to layer in share repurchases. And I would like to share some exciting news regarding our first acquisition of 2024. Regarding repurchases, our Board has authorized a $200,000,000 share buyback program, which provides an additional avenue to maximize long term value for our shareholders. Speaker 300:01:57We remain confident in the outlook for our business and believe there is a compelling opportunity to repurchase our shares given this outlook. Under this updated framework, which is effective immediately and applies starting with the Q1 of 2024, we still plan to return at least 65% of discretionary cash flow to our shareholders and to retain up to 35% of discretionary cash flow for balance sheet management and opportunistic cash acquisitions. However, instead of allocating the full 65% of discretionary cash flow exclusively to cash dividends like we've done historically, we intend to pay a minimum dividend equal to 35% of discretionary cash flow and allocate at least 30% of discretionary cash flow to additional cash dividends, share repurchases or a mix of both. Committing to a minimum dividend equal to 35 percent of discretionary cash flow provides our shareholders with the certainty of a minimum cash dividend that is a compelling size while avoiding the pitfalls of setting a minimum dollar amount of dividends. History has shown that fixed minimum dividends expressed in a set dollar amount for a cyclical commodity exposed business turn out to be variable in a commodity price down cycle when companies inevitably cut their so called fixed dividend. Speaker 300:03:11This introduces the risk of the company buying back more stock when it has more discretionary cash flow above the fixed dollar dividend, which is when commodity prices and stock prices are high. Our strategy is designed to avoid having to cut a minimum dollar amount of dividends during cyclical downturns and to avoid the pro cyclical and potentially value destructive behavior of allocating additional capital to repurchases during cyclical upturns. If our new return of capital framework had been applied to the Q4 of 2023, our minimum dividend would have been $0.27 per share, which implies an approximate 5% dividend yield. This would have been roughly 300 basis points higher than the dividend yields for E and P Companies and approximately 3 50 basis points higher than the S and P 500 yield over the last 12 months. Turning to the acquisition I mentioned earlier. Speaker 300:04:00In January, we signed a definitive agreement to acquire over 13,000 net royalty acres in the DJ Basin for $150,000,000 which enhances our overall DJ footprint and exposure to areas with higher levels of activity relative to our legacy assets in the area. As with most of our acquisitions, this deal originated through a relationship with a seller we've known for a while. The seller did an outstanding job of piecing together a differentiated asset base concentrated in the best parts of the DJ Basin. This transaction highlights our proactive approach to portfolio management and prudent capital allocation. By selling smaller scale declining assets in Appalachia and the Anadarko Basin at a nearly 6 times next 12 months cash flow multiple and acquiring higher growth DJ Basin assets at a 4 times next 12 months cash flow multiple, we continue to focus on optimizing capital allocation and generating strong shareholder returns. Speaker 300:04:56I'd now like to turn the call over to Dax McDavid, our EVP of Corporate Development to discuss the highlights of the DJ Basin acquisition and provide an update on other acquisition activities. Speaker 400:05:06Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We're thrilled to kick off 2024 with a compelling acquisition, which we hope is a sign of a more transactable mineral market. This deal is highly accretive on both a near term cash flow and NAV basis and checks all the boxes for what we look for in an attractive acquisition. The acreage has terrific geology, competitive well economics and is under well capitalized operators with great line of sight for future development. The primary operators are Chevron, Oxy and Civitoc, who in aggregate were responsible for more than 95% of the production on these assets in 2023. Speaker 400:05:41In the Q4, these assets produced approximately 2,600 BOE a day with 41 percent oil and generated $8,600,000 of asset level cash flow. As Chris mentioned earlier, this acquisition has a more growth oriented production profile relative to our recently divested assets. From December 2022 to December 2023, monthly production on these assets grew by 89%, a stark contrast to the approximate 7% decline over the same period on these assets we divested in December 2023. At year end, there were approximately 5.1 net line of sight wells and 9.6 net remaining locations, 73% of which were in the Greater Wattenberg field, providing visibility and running room for future development. We were able to underwrite future DJ Basin activity with more certainty relative to other areas in the United States because the Comprehensive Area Plans or CAPS and Oil and Gas Development Plans or OGDPs, which are filed with the Colorado Energy and Carbon Management Commission and must be approved before development can take place. Speaker 400:06:45The DJ Basin acquisition acreage has exposure to several multiyear caps and OGDPs, which contain 26% of remaining inventory and represent a total of approximately 2,700 NRAs and 2.5 net remaining locations as of December 30 one. These caps and OJJDPs don't guarantee operator activity, but administratively it is challenging for operators to deviate from these plans once they are approved. As you can see on Slide 9 in our earnings presentation, the DJ Basin acquisition acreage is in the core of the play and expands our DJ Basin NRAs by 52% from approximately 25,000 NRAs to over 38,000 NRAs. On a pro form a combined basis, our assets cover approximately 810,000 gross acres or 49% of the entire DJ Basin and 57% of the Greater Wattenberg field, which contains the best rock and is under the most active operators in the basin. These assets are prospective for the Niobrara and Codell, both of which are being co developed across most of the acreage. Speaker 400:07:48Recent public commentary from Chevron, Oxy and Civitas regarding the DJ Basin has been quite positive, indicating that their assets are highly economic. They have also emphasized commitments to deploy capital and grow production in 2024 and beyond with caps and OGDPs. Chevron has underscored their dedication to DJ Basin commenting that their acreage has high cash flow margin, low breakeven barrels and has permits that extend through the late 2029. Assi recently highlighted several positive aspects about the DJ Basin assets as well, including a 32% improvement in well productivity from 2022 to 2023 and an 11% implied annual production growth for the Rockies and other segment based on the midpoint of their 2024 guidance. CITITAS recently disclosed that their 2024 DJ Basin development plan is focused on the highly prolific Watkins area, a region that contains Box Elder, one of the larger caps on the new DJ Basin acquisition acreage. Speaker 400:08:47Watkins area in 2023 relative to 2022, resulting in a 10% higher EURs and 40% higher returns. As of February 19, 75% of the rigs running the entire DJ Basin were on our pro form a position, an increase of 3x relative to the rigs on City of legacy asset. The rigs on our pro form a acreage are exposed to 100% of CDX, Oxy and Verdad's total rig activity in the basin. In addition to the DJ Basin acquisition, we acquired over 500 Permian Basin NRAs in New Mexico in exchange for Class C shares of our stock in December. This transaction was with one of our long standing relationships and is someone from whom we've acquired assets in the past. Speaker 400:09:28Our consolidation strategy continues to be focused on executing relationship driven deals versus broad auction processes, which we believe differentiates Vidyo from many of our peers. I'll now turn the call over to Keri Otsiga, our CFO to discuss Q4 2023 results. Speaker 500:09:45Thank you, Dax. Our assets continue to perform consistently with production from our royalty interest producing an average of 35,000 776 Boe a day in the 4th quarter and 36,338 Boe a day for the second half of twenty twenty three, which is just above the midpoint of our second half twenty twenty three guidance range. Our reported results included 82 days of contribution from our Appalachia and Anadarko assets because the divestiture closed on December 22. Reported 4th quarter production was 47% oil. However, when excluding prior period adjustments, 4th quarter production was 49% oil. Speaker 500:10:26On a pro form a basis, our 4th quarter production was 36,000 623 BOE a day, including a full quarter of production from the DJ Basin and December Permian acquisitions and excluding the production from the divested assets. Horizontal rig count in the Permian Basin and the overall U. S. During the Q4 was down by 4.2% and 3.8%, respectively. We estimate that 7.7 net wells were turned in line on our acreage during the 4th quarter, down from the estimated 9.5 net wells turned in line during the Q3. Speaker 500:11:01We ended the year with an all time company high of 53.4 pro form a net line of sight wells, including approximately 5.1 net wells from the DJ Basin acquisition. The number of net spuds as a percent of total net line of sight wells shifted from 59% at the end of Q3 to 64% at year end, which is usually an indicator of increased near term activity. We reported pro form a 4th quarter discretionary cash flow of 124,000,000 dollars which included $8,700,000 of incremental post October 1 effective date cash flows from the DJ Basin and Permian acquisitions and benefited from a 21% decrease in interest expense versus the Q3 in 2023. Our Board declared a 4th quarter cash dividend of $0.51 per share of Class A common stock based on 65% payout ratio of pro form a DCF, which included an uplift of approximately $0.04 per share from DJ Basin acquisition and Permian acquisition cash flow in the 4th quarter. Similar to the dividend calculation for the Q4 of 2023, we expect to include post effective day cash flow from the DJ Basin acquisition in our calculation of 1st quarter 2024 DCF. Speaker 500:12:18We ended 2023 with an $850,000,000 borrowing base revolver and liquidity of $588,000,000 As a result of the enhancements to our capital structure made during 2023, we have better access to capital and are much better positioned to finance acquisitions going forward. Included in yesterday's earnings press release, we released our full year 2024 guidance. Our 2024 outlook is underpinned by the record number of line of sight wells on our properties. Contribution from the DJ Basin acquisition properties and the caps and OGBBs that Dax mentioned and some higher interest wells are in process of being completed. We're off to a fantastic start to the year with the announced highly accretive DJ Basin acquisition and I'm optimistic about improving trends in the minerals M and A market for 2024. Speaker 500:13:06That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open up the call for questions. Operator00:13:12Thank Our first question today comes from Tim Rezvan from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:13:36Good morning, folks. I hope you all got some sleep last night. My first question, I wanted to ask with the DJ Basin acquisition, when you look at things outside Permian, is there a higher hurdle rate given sort of less industry activity? Or was this a simple sort of arbitrage you saw being able to buy it at 4x cash flow? Speaker 400:14:01Thanks, Sam. This is Bax. No, there's not. We underwrite the returns and we're able to technically underwrite a lot of and all the stations out there. There's not. Speaker 400:14:24So we feel good about that. We do see increase actually from the operators I mentioned earlier in the DJ Basin. We see an increase in activity and we do see them dedicating capital to that basin and we see that basin continue with returns, I mean, go to the other basins as they have opportunity to grow. Speaker 200:14:49Okay. Okay. I understand. I guess visibility on activities is what matters. Okay. Speaker 200:14:53Thank you. If I could pivot, I don't know if this is more for Chris as a Board member or for Carrie. I was curious with this pretty significant change in your cash returns framework, I wonder if you could talk about engagement with shareholders in the last few months as you came to this decision as the Board did? Do you think shareholders kind of wanted this or was this more an idea of the Board feeling compelled to step in with shares where they were to support the equity. I'm just curious kind of what eventually got the Board to agree to make this change? Speaker 600:15:28Hey, good morning, Sam. It's Chris. I would tell you this is not Speaker 400:15:32a trade we're trying to Speaker 600:15:33make just because we think the stock is cheap. It's really fundamentally underpinned by our outlook for the business going forward. We did engage with several shareholders. Every time we meet with shareholders, we ask some questions about the capital return framework. So this was an ongoing dialogue with shareholders and at the Board level. Speaker 600:15:50It's been going on for months and incorporated a lot of softball constituents. We're excited about it because when we look at the way the business is coming together for this year, as Carey mentioned, you look at activity under the caps and OGEPs in the DJ, You look at our record level of line of sight wells overall. And then recovering trends in activity in the Permian in the 4th quarter, particularly in October onwards, that gives us a lot of comfort leading into 2024. Speaker 100:16:23The other thing Speaker 600:16:23that we like 2024 too, unlike 2023, is we're seeing some fundamental shifts in the acquisition market. And you can see that evidenced by the acquisition we announced this morning. So we're hopeful that there'll be more of those this year as well. Speaker 200:16:41Okay. Okay. I appreciate color. If I can sneak one last one in, it's maybe more for Carey. As we sort of bake this last acquisition in the model, you see net debt a little shy of $1,000,000,000 leverage still kind of north of 1. Speaker 200:16:58Given the successful refinancing of your debt, what are your updated thoughts on target debt, target leverage? And how do you think about that 65% payout as maybe closing the gap with public peers that pay a higher rate? Thank you. Speaker 500:17:15Sure. Hi, Tim. This is Carrie. We continue to target low leverage, you're right. We're sitting at above a little bit above one times leverage, but we target that low leverage to preserve our financial flexibility and our ability to be opportunistic on cash acquisitions. Speaker 500:17:30After cash acquisitions, we're going to continue to pay down that pre payable debt to maintain that flexibility. As far as the 65% payout goes, I'll let Chris speak a little bit more about this. But we don't intend to change that payout right this second other than the way our capital return is going to work. We're going to continue to pay down that debt and keep that opportunistic flexibility on the debt. Speaker 600:17:59Yes, Tim, it's Rich. I'll just add that I'll leave it to our peers to comment on their payout watch fees. For us, we just felt at our company side, it's appropriate to have the amount of cash retained that we do to manage the balance sheet through cycle and to protect this company instead of other companies going to make their own decisions. But at our size, we feel that 60 5% is an appropriate amount of cash flow to return to shareholders. As we grow, that number may grow. Speaker 600:18:26But we're still far too small to call that time right now. Speaker 200:18:31Okay. Okay. And then do you have a leverage target? Is it 0.75? Do you just want to be sustainably under 1x? Speaker 200:18:37Trying to think about what a steady state kind of level would be. I think, Speaker 400:18:42yes, I mean Yes. I mean Speaker 600:18:43For about Perry's remarks, yes, Perry is right. We want to have low leverage so we can be opportunistic when opportunities present themselves. And so it's not a fixed number, Tim. It's really just we'll take on a little bit of leverage on the balance sheet and the revolver for cash acquisitions, and then we'll pay it down after those acquisitions, and we'll build it back up and pay it down and repeat. Speaker 200:19:07Okay. Okay. Appreciate it. Thanks, everybody. Thank you. Operator00:19:14The next question on the line is from Neal Dingmann from Tuohyst. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:19:20Good morning, thanks for the time. My first question is on expected activity. Specifically, I'm just wondering, given your great line of sight, you talked about all the line of sight wells. And then if you look at sort of the current rig count out there and maybe conversations you all are having with your operators, I'm just wondering if you maybe in broad terms, you or Dak could just speak to your confidence in the continued solid activity, I would call it well into next year if you're anticipating that? Speaker 600:19:49Sure, Neil. Good morning. I'll make a couple of comments and turn over to Dax. So just at a macro level, we did see the rig count decline during the year on our asset and broadly across the U. S. Speaker 600:20:01But that decline for us in the Permian start in June and continued until about October where it started to rebound. So we saw that activity on our asset continue to rebound through the end of the year. And that's how we enter 2024. I'll turn it over to Dax for any more specific comments. Speaker 400:20:19No. Thank you, Chris. That's why we're excited about our DJ acquisition. I mean, especially in the back of all the recent positive commentary from DJ operations in the basin. The activity is driven by 5.9 net line side wells from some of the most active operators in that basin, so the tops, Oxy and Chevron. Speaker 400:20:43So again, we have 9.6 inventory wells in that deal with a 2.5 of which are located with these caps and OGPs, which give you line of you have better line of sight to activity on those inventory wells. So no, we're excited about that. Speaker 700:21:00Great update. And then just my second quick one on M and A. Physically, that maybe for you or Chris, just wondering, we don't see near like you all do the deal flow. Just wondering based on what you're seeing out there, is mineral deal flow still is active as ever and is the price is still again, obviously fantastic price on your DJ. So I'm just wondering are there rational other sort of price tap that's out there that you potentially see? Speaker 600:21:28That's the key question for 2024, Neil. The optimistic time we saw in Q4 were broad auction processes failing. And we like to see that because number 1, we're rarely ever successful at broad auction processes. But number 2, what it does is it tends to reset expectations from sellers. And so to see multiple broad auctions sale in the Q4 is really encouraging for 2024. Speaker 600:21:57As I said, we as a company in our history have executed on probably less than 10 of our 193 plus acquisitions through broad auction processes. Most of what we do is through negotiated transactions like we did with the DJ Basin transaction that we announced this morning. We tend to have more success engaging with people directly and finding solutions and those conversations take years to evolve and exactly when those will culminate in a transaction, but we have multiple conversations like that ongoing right now and we're encouraged for 2024. Operator00:22:46The next question on the line is from Derek Whitfield from Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:22:52Good morning all. Congrats on your DJ acquisition and return of capital initiatives. Speaker 600:22:58Thanks, Eric. Speaker 800:23:00For my first question, I wanted to focus on your 2024 guidance. As outlined, your guidance implies maintenance level activity versus Q4, while line of sight activity implies growth. How would you frame your production trajectory for 2024? Are you guys expecting heavier tills in the second half based on Cary's commentary? Speaker 600:23:23Sure. So I'll take that first and Cary, feel free to supplement with any comments you have. So when we look at the line of sight wells, as I said, clearly, it's at record levels for the company. The key is going to be just converting to Till. And what we saw in the Q4 about 7.7 net wells turn in line, down a little bit from the Q3 last year. Speaker 600:23:47As I said, activity on our asset rebounded through the Q4 and we expect that to start to roll through the 1st part of this year. We have a high-site on multiple wells, for example, coming in line just in March here. So there are specific instances where we have some ability to model in specific timing on specific interest that we have. But for the most part, we look at 2024 and it's really something you've heard on all the calls you've been on where operators are really guiding to flat hitch to low single digit type of growth in the Permian. And because our asset covers about 35% of the Permian Basin, you should expect our asset to mirror pretty closely what the Texas side of the Permian Basin does. Speaker 600:24:38And that is not growing at double digits, but it's still showing good sustainable production and in some cases some modest growth and that's what we expect ours to do as well. Speaker 500:24:53And Chris, the only other thing I'll add to that sorry, I would just add one other thing. The only other nuance to remember to you is just net development on our asset can affect annual production rates. While activity can be constant, it just depends on which NRIs get developed. Speaker 800:25:15Makes sense guys. And maybe looking at it a little bit longer term in perspective, given the considerable M and A we've witnessed across the Permian over the last 6 months with Exxon, Oxy and Diamondback, I wanted to ask for your thoughts on the net impact you could have on your business and pace of development as those transactions were Texas heavy? Speaker 600:25:34Yes, it's a good question. The operator mix for our business has really changed over Speaker 400:25:40the last several years. Speaker 600:25:41If you could just rewind the clock a couple of years, you would have seen Callon, PC, Noble, Pioneer, Anadarko in our top 10. And now it's building with Exxon, Chevron, Oxy, Apache, Diamondback and others who have been active in the consolidation business. And really what it's done is it's the effect of putting our minerals being operated in the hands of bigger, better capitalized operators who have more sustainable programs through cycle. So I think impact number 1 is slightly less volatility in activity over time. And what we hope to is in terms of engagement with operators, hopefully changing the conversation between operator and mineral owner over time as we have fewer operators to manage those relationships with. Speaker 600:26:33We can hopefully just have a more direct relationship with them and get better information as we grow. Speaker 800:26:43Chris, if I could ask one more. Just with regards to the $200,000,000 share repurchase program, how would you compare the value of buying your stock today versus the value of M and A opportunities that are available or available in the foreseeable future? Speaker 600:27:01Yes. It's an exercise we go through with every single acquisition evaluation we do. We look at the sensitivities of the potential returns of the acquisitions we're evaluating and compare it against our stock. And so should we make the acquisition we're contemplating or should we make the acquisition of our own minerals and buy our own stock. And so it's an analysis we've done throughout time on our business and we look at it now and say it's a really compelling opportunity based on the dynamics in the market today and also with the outlook we have going forward. Speaker 600:27:33The other nuance here is that this is not an either or decision. We can have compelling acquisition opportunities in front of us and we can execute on share repurchase and buy our own stock, effectively buying our own minerals because the return of capital program is set up such that the buyback is happening within the framework of the 65% return of capital to our shareholders. Speaker 800:27:57Very helpful, Chris. Thanks for your time. Speaker 600:27:59Thank you. Operator00:28:12Our next question is from Noel Parks from Tuohy Brothers Investment. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:28:20Hi, good morning. Good morning, Noel. Speaker 500:28:25Just had a couple of Speaker 900:28:26things. One thing I was wondering about, since there is oil prices haven't been too bad lately, but there does seem to be some macro uncertainty and decision out there about what the year is going to look like. I just wondered in terms of visibility on activity levels, are you seeing any oil hedging trends among your operators, either kind of uniformly across the operators or is wondering if you're seeing any divergences, different flows kind of take a different bite at the apples, trying to figure out whether to protect against downside or try to open themselves up more to potential upside? Speaker 600:29:17Just from different operators, typically it's driven by company size and leverage. Just broadly speaking, you'll see smaller companies and companies with more leverage and larger platform programs to protect being more active with hedging. And the important nuance to remember is that the hedging program that the operators engage in has no impact on the realized prices for So we get the prices at the delivery point that the operator gets. Any sort of financial hedging they do on their side is for their account. And we have the ability to hedge or not hedge on account. Speaker 900:30:00Right, absolutely. I guess I'm just being as you've discussed, we've had consolidation going on in the Permian, different assets heading into different hands. And I guess I'm in the process of trying to sort of picture just what the basin looks like in terms of just operator behavior going forward. And I guess I'm thinking about the cost side and capital discipline. We certainly haven't seen anybody really going crazy with reactivity, either with an established footprint or the companies that have been consolidating. Speaker 900:30:51And so I guess I'm curious to the degree you get a feeling from operators about what they think about the inflation outlook. Just also curious if you're if there's any trends you're hearing and whether that's affecting folks' aggressiveness at all? Speaker 600:31:14Sure. The couple of trends we're seeing, one is just continued march towards higher efficiencies for the operators. They continue to get better and more cost efficient at what they do. And so I think even if you see operators announce a slight decrease in rig counts post acquisition, oftentimes that's compensated for and even potentially increased by efficiency and gain and applied throughout a larger program. And I just I could make a comparison back to history. Speaker 600:31:52There's good M and A and bad M and A for CIFIA when we look at our operator base. The bad M and A for us is where 2 of our large operators get together and flash the combined rig program to a fraction of what it was for either one of those companies standalone. And that's what happened with, for example, with Oxy and Anadarko several years ago. The type of M and A that's happening today is quite good for us where you have healthy companies getting together and just becoming bigger, helps more efficient and more capital efficient. So for us as the mineral owner, we like to see the type of consolidation we're seeing today and we're encouraged by it for our business. Speaker 400:32:32Great. Thanks a lot. Speaker 600:32:34Thank you. Operator00:32:52It appears we have no further questions, so we will conclude the call now. Thank you for your time today. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Citiya Royalties Q4 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Chat, and I'll be the coordinator for this call today. After the presentation, there will be a Q and A session where you'll have the opportunity to ask questions. I'd now like to hand over to Ross Wong, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations to begin. Ross, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:28Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:00:30Welcome to the City Speaker 100:00:31of Royalty's 4th quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. If you don't already have a copy of our recent press release and updated investor presentation, please visit our website at www.cidio.com, where you will find them in our Investor Relations section. With me today to discuss Q4 and full year 2023 financial and operating results is Chris Conasenti, our Chief Executive Officer Karrios Tsika, our Chief Financial Officer and Dakt McDavid, our EVP of Corporate Development and other members of our executive leadership team. Before we start, I would like to remind you that our discussion today may contain forward looking statements and non GAAP measures. Please refer to our earnings press release, investor presentation and publicly filed documents for additional information regarding such forward looking statements and non GAAP measures. Speaker 100:01:22And with that, I'll turn the call over to Chris. Speaker 300:01:25Thanks, Ross. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining CITIO's Q4 and full year 2023 earnings call. Before discussing 4th quarter results, I want to provide an update on our return of capital framework, which going forward will include dividends and the ability to layer in share repurchases. And I would like to share some exciting news regarding our first acquisition of 2024. Regarding repurchases, our Board has authorized a $200,000,000 share buyback program, which provides an additional avenue to maximize long term value for our shareholders. Speaker 300:01:57We remain confident in the outlook for our business and believe there is a compelling opportunity to repurchase our shares given this outlook. Under this updated framework, which is effective immediately and applies starting with the Q1 of 2024, we still plan to return at least 65% of discretionary cash flow to our shareholders and to retain up to 35% of discretionary cash flow for balance sheet management and opportunistic cash acquisitions. However, instead of allocating the full 65% of discretionary cash flow exclusively to cash dividends like we've done historically, we intend to pay a minimum dividend equal to 35% of discretionary cash flow and allocate at least 30% of discretionary cash flow to additional cash dividends, share repurchases or a mix of both. Committing to a minimum dividend equal to 35 percent of discretionary cash flow provides our shareholders with the certainty of a minimum cash dividend that is a compelling size while avoiding the pitfalls of setting a minimum dollar amount of dividends. History has shown that fixed minimum dividends expressed in a set dollar amount for a cyclical commodity exposed business turn out to be variable in a commodity price down cycle when companies inevitably cut their so called fixed dividend. Speaker 300:03:11This introduces the risk of the company buying back more stock when it has more discretionary cash flow above the fixed dollar dividend, which is when commodity prices and stock prices are high. Our strategy is designed to avoid having to cut a minimum dollar amount of dividends during cyclical downturns and to avoid the pro cyclical and potentially value destructive behavior of allocating additional capital to repurchases during cyclical upturns. If our new return of capital framework had been applied to the Q4 of 2023, our minimum dividend would have been $0.27 per share, which implies an approximate 5% dividend yield. This would have been roughly 300 basis points higher than the dividend yields for E and P Companies and approximately 3 50 basis points higher than the S and P 500 yield over the last 12 months. Turning to the acquisition I mentioned earlier. Speaker 300:04:00In January, we signed a definitive agreement to acquire over 13,000 net royalty acres in the DJ Basin for $150,000,000 which enhances our overall DJ footprint and exposure to areas with higher levels of activity relative to our legacy assets in the area. As with most of our acquisitions, this deal originated through a relationship with a seller we've known for a while. The seller did an outstanding job of piecing together a differentiated asset base concentrated in the best parts of the DJ Basin. This transaction highlights our proactive approach to portfolio management and prudent capital allocation. By selling smaller scale declining assets in Appalachia and the Anadarko Basin at a nearly 6 times next 12 months cash flow multiple and acquiring higher growth DJ Basin assets at a 4 times next 12 months cash flow multiple, we continue to focus on optimizing capital allocation and generating strong shareholder returns. Speaker 300:04:56I'd now like to turn the call over to Dax McDavid, our EVP of Corporate Development to discuss the highlights of the DJ Basin acquisition and provide an update on other acquisition activities. Speaker 400:05:06Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We're thrilled to kick off 2024 with a compelling acquisition, which we hope is a sign of a more transactable mineral market. This deal is highly accretive on both a near term cash flow and NAV basis and checks all the boxes for what we look for in an attractive acquisition. The acreage has terrific geology, competitive well economics and is under well capitalized operators with great line of sight for future development. The primary operators are Chevron, Oxy and Civitoc, who in aggregate were responsible for more than 95% of the production on these assets in 2023. Speaker 400:05:41In the Q4, these assets produced approximately 2,600 BOE a day with 41 percent oil and generated $8,600,000 of asset level cash flow. As Chris mentioned earlier, this acquisition has a more growth oriented production profile relative to our recently divested assets. From December 2022 to December 2023, monthly production on these assets grew by 89%, a stark contrast to the approximate 7% decline over the same period on these assets we divested in December 2023. At year end, there were approximately 5.1 net line of sight wells and 9.6 net remaining locations, 73% of which were in the Greater Wattenberg field, providing visibility and running room for future development. We were able to underwrite future DJ Basin activity with more certainty relative to other areas in the United States because the Comprehensive Area Plans or CAPS and Oil and Gas Development Plans or OGDPs, which are filed with the Colorado Energy and Carbon Management Commission and must be approved before development can take place. Speaker 400:06:45The DJ Basin acquisition acreage has exposure to several multiyear caps and OGDPs, which contain 26% of remaining inventory and represent a total of approximately 2,700 NRAs and 2.5 net remaining locations as of December 30 one. These caps and OJJDPs don't guarantee operator activity, but administratively it is challenging for operators to deviate from these plans once they are approved. As you can see on Slide 9 in our earnings presentation, the DJ Basin acquisition acreage is in the core of the play and expands our DJ Basin NRAs by 52% from approximately 25,000 NRAs to over 38,000 NRAs. On a pro form a combined basis, our assets cover approximately 810,000 gross acres or 49% of the entire DJ Basin and 57% of the Greater Wattenberg field, which contains the best rock and is under the most active operators in the basin. These assets are prospective for the Niobrara and Codell, both of which are being co developed across most of the acreage. Speaker 400:07:48Recent public commentary from Chevron, Oxy and Civitas regarding the DJ Basin has been quite positive, indicating that their assets are highly economic. They have also emphasized commitments to deploy capital and grow production in 2024 and beyond with caps and OGDPs. Chevron has underscored their dedication to DJ Basin commenting that their acreage has high cash flow margin, low breakeven barrels and has permits that extend through the late 2029. Assi recently highlighted several positive aspects about the DJ Basin assets as well, including a 32% improvement in well productivity from 2022 to 2023 and an 11% implied annual production growth for the Rockies and other segment based on the midpoint of their 2024 guidance. CITITAS recently disclosed that their 2024 DJ Basin development plan is focused on the highly prolific Watkins area, a region that contains Box Elder, one of the larger caps on the new DJ Basin acquisition acreage. Speaker 400:08:47Watkins area in 2023 relative to 2022, resulting in a 10% higher EURs and 40% higher returns. As of February 19, 75% of the rigs running the entire DJ Basin were on our pro form a position, an increase of 3x relative to the rigs on City of legacy asset. The rigs on our pro form a acreage are exposed to 100% of CDX, Oxy and Verdad's total rig activity in the basin. In addition to the DJ Basin acquisition, we acquired over 500 Permian Basin NRAs in New Mexico in exchange for Class C shares of our stock in December. This transaction was with one of our long standing relationships and is someone from whom we've acquired assets in the past. Speaker 400:09:28Our consolidation strategy continues to be focused on executing relationship driven deals versus broad auction processes, which we believe differentiates Vidyo from many of our peers. I'll now turn the call over to Keri Otsiga, our CFO to discuss Q4 2023 results. Speaker 500:09:45Thank you, Dax. Our assets continue to perform consistently with production from our royalty interest producing an average of 35,000 776 Boe a day in the 4th quarter and 36,338 Boe a day for the second half of twenty twenty three, which is just above the midpoint of our second half twenty twenty three guidance range. Our reported results included 82 days of contribution from our Appalachia and Anadarko assets because the divestiture closed on December 22. Reported 4th quarter production was 47% oil. However, when excluding prior period adjustments, 4th quarter production was 49% oil. Speaker 500:10:26On a pro form a basis, our 4th quarter production was 36,000 623 BOE a day, including a full quarter of production from the DJ Basin and December Permian acquisitions and excluding the production from the divested assets. Horizontal rig count in the Permian Basin and the overall U. S. During the Q4 was down by 4.2% and 3.8%, respectively. We estimate that 7.7 net wells were turned in line on our acreage during the 4th quarter, down from the estimated 9.5 net wells turned in line during the Q3. Speaker 500:11:01We ended the year with an all time company high of 53.4 pro form a net line of sight wells, including approximately 5.1 net wells from the DJ Basin acquisition. The number of net spuds as a percent of total net line of sight wells shifted from 59% at the end of Q3 to 64% at year end, which is usually an indicator of increased near term activity. We reported pro form a 4th quarter discretionary cash flow of 124,000,000 dollars which included $8,700,000 of incremental post October 1 effective date cash flows from the DJ Basin and Permian acquisitions and benefited from a 21% decrease in interest expense versus the Q3 in 2023. Our Board declared a 4th quarter cash dividend of $0.51 per share of Class A common stock based on 65% payout ratio of pro form a DCF, which included an uplift of approximately $0.04 per share from DJ Basin acquisition and Permian acquisition cash flow in the 4th quarter. Similar to the dividend calculation for the Q4 of 2023, we expect to include post effective day cash flow from the DJ Basin acquisition in our calculation of 1st quarter 2024 DCF. Speaker 500:12:18We ended 2023 with an $850,000,000 borrowing base revolver and liquidity of $588,000,000 As a result of the enhancements to our capital structure made during 2023, we have better access to capital and are much better positioned to finance acquisitions going forward. Included in yesterday's earnings press release, we released our full year 2024 guidance. Our 2024 outlook is underpinned by the record number of line of sight wells on our properties. Contribution from the DJ Basin acquisition properties and the caps and OGBBs that Dax mentioned and some higher interest wells are in process of being completed. We're off to a fantastic start to the year with the announced highly accretive DJ Basin acquisition and I'm optimistic about improving trends in the minerals M and A market for 2024. Speaker 500:13:06That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open up the call for questions. Operator00:13:12Thank Our first question today comes from Tim Rezvan from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:13:36Good morning, folks. I hope you all got some sleep last night. My first question, I wanted to ask with the DJ Basin acquisition, when you look at things outside Permian, is there a higher hurdle rate given sort of less industry activity? Or was this a simple sort of arbitrage you saw being able to buy it at 4x cash flow? Speaker 400:14:01Thanks, Sam. This is Bax. No, there's not. We underwrite the returns and we're able to technically underwrite a lot of and all the stations out there. There's not. Speaker 400:14:24So we feel good about that. We do see increase actually from the operators I mentioned earlier in the DJ Basin. We see an increase in activity and we do see them dedicating capital to that basin and we see that basin continue with returns, I mean, go to the other basins as they have opportunity to grow. Speaker 200:14:49Okay. Okay. I understand. I guess visibility on activities is what matters. Okay. Speaker 200:14:53Thank you. If I could pivot, I don't know if this is more for Chris as a Board member or for Carrie. I was curious with this pretty significant change in your cash returns framework, I wonder if you could talk about engagement with shareholders in the last few months as you came to this decision as the Board did? Do you think shareholders kind of wanted this or was this more an idea of the Board feeling compelled to step in with shares where they were to support the equity. I'm just curious kind of what eventually got the Board to agree to make this change? Speaker 600:15:28Hey, good morning, Sam. It's Chris. I would tell you this is not Speaker 400:15:32a trade we're trying to Speaker 600:15:33make just because we think the stock is cheap. It's really fundamentally underpinned by our outlook for the business going forward. We did engage with several shareholders. Every time we meet with shareholders, we ask some questions about the capital return framework. So this was an ongoing dialogue with shareholders and at the Board level. Speaker 600:15:50It's been going on for months and incorporated a lot of softball constituents. We're excited about it because when we look at the way the business is coming together for this year, as Carey mentioned, you look at activity under the caps and OGEPs in the DJ, You look at our record level of line of sight wells overall. And then recovering trends in activity in the Permian in the 4th quarter, particularly in October onwards, that gives us a lot of comfort leading into 2024. Speaker 100:16:23The other thing Speaker 600:16:23that we like 2024 too, unlike 2023, is we're seeing some fundamental shifts in the acquisition market. And you can see that evidenced by the acquisition we announced this morning. So we're hopeful that there'll be more of those this year as well. Speaker 200:16:41Okay. Okay. I appreciate color. If I can sneak one last one in, it's maybe more for Carey. As we sort of bake this last acquisition in the model, you see net debt a little shy of $1,000,000,000 leverage still kind of north of 1. Speaker 200:16:58Given the successful refinancing of your debt, what are your updated thoughts on target debt, target leverage? And how do you think about that 65% payout as maybe closing the gap with public peers that pay a higher rate? Thank you. Speaker 500:17:15Sure. Hi, Tim. This is Carrie. We continue to target low leverage, you're right. We're sitting at above a little bit above one times leverage, but we target that low leverage to preserve our financial flexibility and our ability to be opportunistic on cash acquisitions. Speaker 500:17:30After cash acquisitions, we're going to continue to pay down that pre payable debt to maintain that flexibility. As far as the 65% payout goes, I'll let Chris speak a little bit more about this. But we don't intend to change that payout right this second other than the way our capital return is going to work. We're going to continue to pay down that debt and keep that opportunistic flexibility on the debt. Speaker 600:17:59Yes, Tim, it's Rich. I'll just add that I'll leave it to our peers to comment on their payout watch fees. For us, we just felt at our company side, it's appropriate to have the amount of cash retained that we do to manage the balance sheet through cycle and to protect this company instead of other companies going to make their own decisions. But at our size, we feel that 60 5% is an appropriate amount of cash flow to return to shareholders. As we grow, that number may grow. Speaker 600:18:26But we're still far too small to call that time right now. Speaker 200:18:31Okay. Okay. And then do you have a leverage target? Is it 0.75? Do you just want to be sustainably under 1x? Speaker 200:18:37Trying to think about what a steady state kind of level would be. I think, Speaker 400:18:42yes, I mean Yes. I mean Speaker 600:18:43For about Perry's remarks, yes, Perry is right. We want to have low leverage so we can be opportunistic when opportunities present themselves. And so it's not a fixed number, Tim. It's really just we'll take on a little bit of leverage on the balance sheet and the revolver for cash acquisitions, and then we'll pay it down after those acquisitions, and we'll build it back up and pay it down and repeat. Speaker 200:19:07Okay. Okay. Appreciate it. Thanks, everybody. Thank you. Operator00:19:14The next question on the line is from Neal Dingmann from Tuohyst. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:19:20Good morning, thanks for the time. My first question is on expected activity. Specifically, I'm just wondering, given your great line of sight, you talked about all the line of sight wells. And then if you look at sort of the current rig count out there and maybe conversations you all are having with your operators, I'm just wondering if you maybe in broad terms, you or Dak could just speak to your confidence in the continued solid activity, I would call it well into next year if you're anticipating that? Speaker 600:19:49Sure, Neil. Good morning. I'll make a couple of comments and turn over to Dax. So just at a macro level, we did see the rig count decline during the year on our asset and broadly across the U. S. Speaker 600:20:01But that decline for us in the Permian start in June and continued until about October where it started to rebound. So we saw that activity on our asset continue to rebound through the end of the year. And that's how we enter 2024. I'll turn it over to Dax for any more specific comments. Speaker 400:20:19No. Thank you, Chris. That's why we're excited about our DJ acquisition. I mean, especially in the back of all the recent positive commentary from DJ operations in the basin. The activity is driven by 5.9 net line side wells from some of the most active operators in that basin, so the tops, Oxy and Chevron. Speaker 400:20:43So again, we have 9.6 inventory wells in that deal with a 2.5 of which are located with these caps and OGPs, which give you line of you have better line of sight to activity on those inventory wells. So no, we're excited about that. Speaker 700:21:00Great update. And then just my second quick one on M and A. Physically, that maybe for you or Chris, just wondering, we don't see near like you all do the deal flow. Just wondering based on what you're seeing out there, is mineral deal flow still is active as ever and is the price is still again, obviously fantastic price on your DJ. So I'm just wondering are there rational other sort of price tap that's out there that you potentially see? Speaker 600:21:28That's the key question for 2024, Neil. The optimistic time we saw in Q4 were broad auction processes failing. And we like to see that because number 1, we're rarely ever successful at broad auction processes. But number 2, what it does is it tends to reset expectations from sellers. And so to see multiple broad auctions sale in the Q4 is really encouraging for 2024. Speaker 600:21:57As I said, we as a company in our history have executed on probably less than 10 of our 193 plus acquisitions through broad auction processes. Most of what we do is through negotiated transactions like we did with the DJ Basin transaction that we announced this morning. We tend to have more success engaging with people directly and finding solutions and those conversations take years to evolve and exactly when those will culminate in a transaction, but we have multiple conversations like that ongoing right now and we're encouraged for 2024. Operator00:22:46The next question on the line is from Derek Whitfield from Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:22:52Good morning all. Congrats on your DJ acquisition and return of capital initiatives. Speaker 600:22:58Thanks, Eric. Speaker 800:23:00For my first question, I wanted to focus on your 2024 guidance. As outlined, your guidance implies maintenance level activity versus Q4, while line of sight activity implies growth. How would you frame your production trajectory for 2024? Are you guys expecting heavier tills in the second half based on Cary's commentary? Speaker 600:23:23Sure. So I'll take that first and Cary, feel free to supplement with any comments you have. So when we look at the line of sight wells, as I said, clearly, it's at record levels for the company. The key is going to be just converting to Till. And what we saw in the Q4 about 7.7 net wells turn in line, down a little bit from the Q3 last year. Speaker 600:23:47As I said, activity on our asset rebounded through the Q4 and we expect that to start to roll through the 1st part of this year. We have a high-site on multiple wells, for example, coming in line just in March here. So there are specific instances where we have some ability to model in specific timing on specific interest that we have. But for the most part, we look at 2024 and it's really something you've heard on all the calls you've been on where operators are really guiding to flat hitch to low single digit type of growth in the Permian. And because our asset covers about 35% of the Permian Basin, you should expect our asset to mirror pretty closely what the Texas side of the Permian Basin does. Speaker 600:24:38And that is not growing at double digits, but it's still showing good sustainable production and in some cases some modest growth and that's what we expect ours to do as well. Speaker 500:24:53And Chris, the only other thing I'll add to that sorry, I would just add one other thing. The only other nuance to remember to you is just net development on our asset can affect annual production rates. While activity can be constant, it just depends on which NRIs get developed. Speaker 800:25:15Makes sense guys. And maybe looking at it a little bit longer term in perspective, given the considerable M and A we've witnessed across the Permian over the last 6 months with Exxon, Oxy and Diamondback, I wanted to ask for your thoughts on the net impact you could have on your business and pace of development as those transactions were Texas heavy? Speaker 600:25:34Yes, it's a good question. The operator mix for our business has really changed over Speaker 400:25:40the last several years. Speaker 600:25:41If you could just rewind the clock a couple of years, you would have seen Callon, PC, Noble, Pioneer, Anadarko in our top 10. And now it's building with Exxon, Chevron, Oxy, Apache, Diamondback and others who have been active in the consolidation business. And really what it's done is it's the effect of putting our minerals being operated in the hands of bigger, better capitalized operators who have more sustainable programs through cycle. So I think impact number 1 is slightly less volatility in activity over time. And what we hope to is in terms of engagement with operators, hopefully changing the conversation between operator and mineral owner over time as we have fewer operators to manage those relationships with. Speaker 600:26:33We can hopefully just have a more direct relationship with them and get better information as we grow. Speaker 800:26:43Chris, if I could ask one more. Just with regards to the $200,000,000 share repurchase program, how would you compare the value of buying your stock today versus the value of M and A opportunities that are available or available in the foreseeable future? Speaker 600:27:01Yes. It's an exercise we go through with every single acquisition evaluation we do. We look at the sensitivities of the potential returns of the acquisitions we're evaluating and compare it against our stock. And so should we make the acquisition we're contemplating or should we make the acquisition of our own minerals and buy our own stock. And so it's an analysis we've done throughout time on our business and we look at it now and say it's a really compelling opportunity based on the dynamics in the market today and also with the outlook we have going forward. Speaker 600:27:33The other nuance here is that this is not an either or decision. We can have compelling acquisition opportunities in front of us and we can execute on share repurchase and buy our own stock, effectively buying our own minerals because the return of capital program is set up such that the buyback is happening within the framework of the 65% return of capital to our shareholders. Speaker 800:27:57Very helpful, Chris. Thanks for your time. Speaker 600:27:59Thank you. Operator00:28:12Our next question is from Noel Parks from Tuohy Brothers Investment. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:28:20Hi, good morning. Good morning, Noel. Speaker 500:28:25Just had a couple of Speaker 900:28:26things. One thing I was wondering about, since there is oil prices haven't been too bad lately, but there does seem to be some macro uncertainty and decision out there about what the year is going to look like. I just wondered in terms of visibility on activity levels, are you seeing any oil hedging trends among your operators, either kind of uniformly across the operators or is wondering if you're seeing any divergences, different flows kind of take a different bite at the apples, trying to figure out whether to protect against downside or try to open themselves up more to potential upside? Speaker 600:29:17Just from different operators, typically it's driven by company size and leverage. Just broadly speaking, you'll see smaller companies and companies with more leverage and larger platform programs to protect being more active with hedging. And the important nuance to remember is that the hedging program that the operators engage in has no impact on the realized prices for So we get the prices at the delivery point that the operator gets. Any sort of financial hedging they do on their side is for their account. And we have the ability to hedge or not hedge on account. Speaker 900:30:00Right, absolutely. I guess I'm just being as you've discussed, we've had consolidation going on in the Permian, different assets heading into different hands. And I guess I'm in the process of trying to sort of picture just what the basin looks like in terms of just operator behavior going forward. And I guess I'm thinking about the cost side and capital discipline. We certainly haven't seen anybody really going crazy with reactivity, either with an established footprint or the companies that have been consolidating. Speaker 900:30:51And so I guess I'm curious to the degree you get a feeling from operators about what they think about the inflation outlook. Just also curious if you're if there's any trends you're hearing and whether that's affecting folks' aggressiveness at all? Speaker 600:31:14Sure. The couple of trends we're seeing, one is just continued march towards higher efficiencies for the operators. They continue to get better and more cost efficient at what they do. And so I think even if you see operators announce a slight decrease in rig counts post acquisition, oftentimes that's compensated for and even potentially increased by efficiency and gain and applied throughout a larger program. And I just I could make a comparison back to history. Speaker 600:31:52There's good M and A and bad M and A for CIFIA when we look at our operator base. The bad M and A for us is where 2 of our large operators get together and flash the combined rig program to a fraction of what it was for either one of those companies standalone. And that's what happened with, for example, with Oxy and Anadarko several years ago. The type of M and A that's happening today is quite good for us where you have healthy companies getting together and just becoming bigger, helps more efficient and more capital efficient. So for us as the mineral owner, we like to see the type of consolidation we're seeing today and we're encouraged by it for our business. Speaker 400:32:32Great. Thanks a lot. Speaker 600:32:34Thank you. Operator00:32:52It appears we have no further questions, so we will conclude the call now. Thank you for your time today. You may now disconnect your lines and enjoy the rest of your day.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by