Lindblad Expeditions Q4 2023 Earnings Report $2.19 -0.32 (-12.75%) As of 04/7/2025 Earnings HistoryForecast Singing Machine EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.53Consensus EPS -$0.30Beat/MissMissed by -$0.23One Year Ago EPSN/ASinging Machine Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$125.36 millionExpected Revenue$127.70 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$2.34 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASinging Machine Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/28/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, February 28, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryMICS ProfilePowered by Singing Machine Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 28, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Lindblad Expeditions 4th Quarter and Full Year Financial Results. My name is Bruno, and I'll be operating your call today. I will now hand over to your host and Chief Financial Officer, Greg Valentine. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, Bruno. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Lindblad's 2023 4th quarter and year end earnings call. With me on the call today is Sven Lindblad, Lindblad's Founder and Chief Executive Officer. Sven will begin with some opening comments and then I will follow with some details on our 2023 financial results and current expectations for 2024 before we open the call for Q and A. You can find our latest earnings release in the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 100:00:51Before we get started, let me remind everyone that the company's comments today may include forward looking statements. Those expectations are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and performance to be materially different from these expectations. The company cannot guarantee the accuracy of forecasts or estimates, and we undertake no obligation to update any such forward looking statements. If you would like more information on the risks involved in forward looking statements, please see the company's SEC filings. In addition, our comments may reference non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:01:27A reconciliation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and other associated disclosures are contained in the company's earnings release. And with that, let me turn the call over to Seth. Speaker 200:01:40Thanks, Craig, and good morning, and thank you all for joining us today. When I returned to CEO of Lindblad Expeditions in June of 2023, I laid out for you a variety of priorities that I believed would usher in a new era for our enterprise. With 8 months now in the rearview mirror, I would like to take a few minutes to discuss the progress we have made in each of these areas, while providing some color on what drove our success this past year and why we are excited about the growth opportunity we have in the months years ahead. 1st and foremost, the new era starts with putting the pandemic definitively behind us. The record financial results we delivered in 2023, including 35% revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA of over $74,000,000 a pretty good indication that we are well on our way to achieving that outcome. Speaker 200:02:37Craig will go through our financial results in a moment, but we took nearly 30,000 guests more than ever before to the remarkable destinations we've been visiting for decades. And most importantly, the guest feedback has been nothing short of extraordinary. All the drivers of our business were up this year led by a 33% increase in guest nights as we began to fully utilize our expanded fleet. As we increased capacity, we also saw meaningful growth in net yield, up 12% to $10.97 per guest night and occupancy take up to 77% from 75% a year ago. I know there is a tendency to focus on occupancy, but in isolation, it is a misleading metric, especially in our business. Speaker 200:03:25Understandably, at the big cruise lines, there is a commitment to 100% occupancy, even if the last percentages represent very low or perhaps even no yield. The reason is obvious. The onboard spend is meaningful in the casino, shops, spas, bars, land excursions, etcetera. So even if you add guests for free, you would be better off. In our case, there is minimal onboard spending, so that approach has absolutely no value. Speaker 200:03:52Also, we are extremely committed to maintaining price integrity given long term ramifications as there is no benefit in adding occupancy of yield decreases proportionately. So price integrity is a key metric and essential to preserve even if occupancies move ahead a bit slower in the short term. The second catalyst of our new era is capitalizing on the massive growth of interest in expedition travel. The pull to connect authentically with nature and culture is growing by the day and there's no other company in this segment with our track record or with our commitment to providing authentic and immersive itineraries. This past November, we further solidified our ability to take advantage of this growth with the extension and expansion of our 20 year old partnership with National Geographic, one of the world's most respected and beloved brands. Speaker 200:04:44This new agreement, which runs through 2,040, will enable us to grow our brand on an international scale and reach more citizen explorers than ever before. Beyond enhancing our shared expertise and the onboard experience for our guests, it will increase the earnings potential of the company by opening larger addressable markets through new worldwide audiences. In short, it will further solidify our position as a leader in expedition cruise and experiential adventure travel, a segment we have been leading for more than 50 years. It also brings with it the power of Disney, the world's largest media and entertainment conglomerate. They have so many different capabilities to promote and activate the market. Speaker 200:05:30And in past months, our team, along with their marketing and sales teams, have been deep into strategy and tactical plans on a regular basis, meeting monthly specific initiatives to drive business. By year's end, we will be able to report with far more accuracy the detail about how the anticipated significant National Geographic and Disney effect about the National Geographic and Disney effect, but harnessing that collective power is extremely exciting at a time with a pull to connect authentically with nature and culture is growing by the day. I firmly believe that this will result meaningful accelerated growth in terms of occupancy, yield protection and expansion of the fleet for years to come. 3rd, in this new era is building our technology to support innovative ways to drive the business. In many ways, 2023 was a year of transition on this front as we launched our new reservation system in May, the final building block in our digital stack transformation, which also included a new CRM, a new connect management system, a new digital asset management system and a new customer data platform. Speaker 200:06:43Not surprisingly, the rollout of the reservation system was complex with numerous challenges that had to be solved. It was certainly distraction for various parts of our organization, but we kept our focus on our guests and have put most of those challenges behind us. We still have a ways to go before we finally exploit the possibilities that these systems provide, but we are already seeing record bookings coming through our website. We are achieving higher conversion rates across all parts of the funnel and we are delivering stronger guest service metrics at our contact center. A 4th pillar in this new era is reconnecting with our community in creative ways and creating the most modern marketing and sales platform to propel growth. Speaker 200:07:28The new agreement with National Geographic and our upgraded technology platform will certainly be a big part of that moving forward, But we are already reaching new audiences with an expanded sales team and upgraded digital lead generation capabilities. We have been focusing on driving 1st timer bookings through elevated search campaigns to capture and convert more prospects than ever before. Growing first timers is critical in that repeat behavior is significant and they become a key community to propel growth. A new era also means bringing R and D back to the forefront in terms of new geographies, new experiences in parts of the world we have been visiting for years and innovating the ways we immerse our guests in these remarkable destinations. For 2024, we have developed a variety of new itineraries specifically designed to attract new guests. Speaker 200:08:25Most are shorter duration in order to get people into the system for the first time. Examples are a multi month commitment in Iceland this summer and our recently launched collaboration with Food and Wine Magazine pairing 14 trips along the Colombian Snake Rivers in Washington and Oregon with programming elements, wine selections and specials of guests selected by the editorial staff of Food and Wine. 1 of our biggest initiatives, the biggest initiative, new initiative is a fly in component for 1 of our Antarctic ships creating itineraries that avoid crossing the Drake Passage on some voyages and just one way on others. It also allows for people with more limited time to visit Antarctica. These offerings have literally flown off the shelves and are allowing us to connect with new travelers who wouldn't have been who wouldn't have considered this kind of expedition before. Speaker 200:09:25The last component of the new era I mentioned was maximizing our diverse portfolio of land as well looking for additional expansion opportunities either through new capacity or further diversification of land offerings. The investments we have made thus far in broadening the land portfolio has proven wildly successful, marrying the vision of expertise and entrepreneurial spirit of the founders with the operating and marketing power of Lindblad has grown our land portfolio from EBITDA of just over $3,000,000 when we first acquired Natural Habitat to nearly $23,000,000 in 2023, including nearly 30% growth year on year. This has not only created significant value for our guests and shareholders, but also is a great calling card as we strategically look to find additional companies to join our family. So as you can see, the New Era has clearly begun for Lindblad Expeditions and we are excited to further accelerate that New Era in 2024. We start the year with a strong foundation of future bookings with the Lindblad segment pacing 2% ahead of where we were at the same point in 2023, despite having significantly less carryover business from cancellations during COVID, excluding these carryover bookings, we would be 21% ahead of a year ago. Speaker 200:10:50There are a couple of headwinds to point out for the upcoming year. Due to the gang violence that erupted in Ecuador on January 10, we canceled 2 voyages out of precaution the Q1 and there was some booking instability. Fortunately, Ecuador's young energetic President seems to have quelled the violence and for all practical purposes, the country has largely stabilized. We certainly are feeling no disruption of activity and bookings are returning to a more normal pattern. Another potential headwind in Q2 is the possible rerouting of 1 of our ships around the tip of Africa to avoid the Red Sea due to the recent attacks from Yemen. Speaker 200:11:28We do not operate with guests in the Red Sea, but if we reroute the transit, there would likely be a couple of voyages impacted. While these isolated events are certainly frustrating, we have come to expect a certain amount of external disruption and these short term headwinds pale in comparison to the broader opportunity. As to expedition travel more broadly incorporating adventure travel, this still represents one of, if not the largest growth segment in the travel industry. I get why nature and particularly the concern over its long term future is fueling interest. And while there is much more competition than ever, I believe that a very strong brand inevitably be elevated by expanding interest. Speaker 200:12:14So I'm really excited about the next years as we, together with our partners at National Geographic and Disney, build and grow our business, expand our ideas, our relevance and supporting necessary strategies that help protect environments, communities and history. So many thanks for your time. And now I will turn it back to Craig. Speaker 100:12:36Thanks, Sven. As Sven highlighted, Lindblad delivered record revenue and EBITDA in 2023 as we further ramped operations with broader deployment of our expanded fleet and additional departures across our platform of land based businesses. Speaker 200:12:51As we Speaker 100:12:52have discussed previously, the earnings potential of the company has increased considerably over the last several years with the addition of over 40% more ship capacity and 3 industry leading land operators and the record results we delivered in 2023 demonstrates the opportunity we have across our diverse portfolio of experiential offerings. Before we look ahead, let me take a few minutes to discuss our performance from this past year as we focused on further ramping ship operations, fueling the growth of our differentiated land portfolio and solidifying our overall infrastructure, technological footprint and marketing and sales capabilities to allow us to maximize the earnings potential in the years ahead. Total company revenue for the full year 2023 of 570,000,000 dollars increased $148,000,000 or 35% versus 2022 as we continue to ramp operations with strong growth across both our Lindblad and Land Experiences segments. At the Lindblad segment, revenue of $397,000,000 increased $119,000,000 or 43% year on year, primarily due to a 33% increase in available guest nights from broader utilization of the fleet. Additionally, net yield increased 12% to 10.97 per available guest night due to higher pricing and occupancy expansion to 77% despite the significant increase in available guest nights year over year. Speaker 100:14:20As we further ramp occupancy towards historical levels, you can see both the revenue opportunity and the operating leverage inherent in our marine platform as we attract more and more guests while maintaining strong pricing discipline across the expanded fleet. Similar to our ship operations, our land portfolio is also delivering strong growth, driven by additional departures and guests across each of our 4 unique businesses. Land experiences revenue of $172,000,000 increased $29,000,000 or 20% versus a year ago, led by Natural Habitat's Polar Bear and Africa Trips, Devine's cycling tours across Europe, Classic Journeys walking tours in Italy and Morocco and off the beaten path trips to U. S. National Parks. Speaker 100:15:07The strong revenue growth across both segments generated significant operating leverage in 2023 with total company adjusted EBITDA of 71,000,000 dollars an increase of $83,000,000 versus a year ago, driven by a $78,000,000 increase at the Lindblad segment and a $5,000,000 or 29 percent increase at the Land Experiences segment. Looking a little closer at the cost side of the business, operating expenses before depreciation and amortization, interest and taxes increased $65,000,000 or 15% versus 2022, led by a $39,000,000 or 14% increase in cost of tours versus a year ago, primarily related to operating additional ship and land based itineraries. Fuel costs decreased year on year as increased usage from operating additional trips was more than offset by lower pricing versus a year ago. Fuel was 5% of revenue in 2023 as compared to 7% of revenue in 2022. Sales and marketing costs increased $10,000,000 or 17% versus a year ago, primarily due to higher commissions and royalties related to the increase in revenue and from increased search and direct mail marketing to drive future bookings. Speaker 100:16:22And G and A spending increased 15,000,000 dollars or 17% excluding stock based compensation and one time items versus a year ago, primarily due to higher personnel costs as we ramp operations and increased credit card commissions related to final payments for upcoming itineraries and higher deposits on new reservations for future travel. Total company net loss available to stockholders of $50,000,000 or $0.94 per diluted share improved $66,000,000 versus the net loss available to common stockholders of $116,000,000 or 2.23 dollars per diluted share reported a year ago. The improvement reflects the significant ramp in operations, partially offset by $8,000,000 of additional interest expense, net associated with the higher rates and increased borrowings, mostly related to our debt refinancing in May of 2023 and a $7,000,000 increase in stock based compensation primarily related to the increase in value of Natural Lab Debt. Looking quickly at the Q4 2023, revenue increased 6% compared to the same period in 2022, due in large part to broader utilization of the fleet and additional land trip operations. Available guest nights at the Lindblad segment increased 18% due in large part to an additional transit voyage from Southeast Asia to French Polynesia on the resolution as well as from the timing of dry docks. Speaker 100:17:50As I highlighted on the last call, while taking guests on our transit voyages generates additional revenue on voyages that would normally be non revenue generating, they do have a negative impact on occupancy and yields, which was evident in the Q4 metrics. The decrease in occupancy versus a year ago was predominantly due to the additional transit nights for sale as well as from increased cancellations on our Egypt itineraries due to the Israeli Hamas war. Adjusted EBITDA in the Q4 of $4,000,000 increased $7,000,000 from the Q4 a year ago as the majority of the revenue growth in the quarter fell to the bottom line with operating expenses before depreciation and amortization, stock based comp, interest and taxes up only 1% versus the Q4 a year ago. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the year with 187,000,000 dollars in cash and short term securities, an increase of $58,000,000 versus the end of 2022, primarily driven by the net proceeds of $67,000,000 from the debt refinancing back in May of 2023, which was offset by free cash flow use of about 4,500,000 Speaker 200:19:00Free cash Speaker 100:19:00flow for the year included $25,000,000 in cash from operations led by the improved operating performance, which was partially offset by interest payments of $44,000,000 Please note that cash from operations was also negatively impacted by the use of future travel credits, which made up approximately 8% of ticket revenues in the current year. Cash from operations was more than offset by CapEx of $30,000,000 mostly from routine vessel maintenance as well as from investments in our digital initiatives. Looking ahead, we are excited by the sustained operating momentum across our expanded platform and we anticipate significant growth in 2024, driven by higher occupancies and increased net yields across our fleet, as well as additional travelers across our growing land businesses. The Lindblad segment is in a strong booking position for the upcoming year and the booking momentum has only accelerated with bookings since the start of December for travel in 2024 up over 50% versus the same period a year ago 2023. Additionally, we have already booked over 87% of our full year projected ticket revenues for the year. Speaker 100:20:10Given the strong booking trends we are generating, we expect total company tour revenue in 2024 between $610,000,000 $630,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA between $88,000,000 $98,000,000 Please note that these projections reflect the increased royalty rate associated with the expansion and extension of our National Geographic relationship as well as the impact of the voyage cancellations that Sven mentioned earlier. In addition to the robust P and L growth in 2024, we also anticipate strong free cash flow generation excluding any growth CapEx. Maintenance CapEx is expected to be approximately $25,000,000 to $30,000,000 in the current year, which includes vessel maintenance as well as some additional investments in our digital initiatives. We do anticipate buying part of the minority interest in our land companies during the Q1 and we will continue to explore additional growth opportunities in the year ahead, including further diversifying our product portfolio or opportunistically expanding our fleet to capitalize on the continued growth in the demand for experiential travel. Thanks for your time this morning. Speaker 100:21:14And now Sven and I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. Operator00:21:40We do have our first question comes from Steve Wieczynski from Stifel. Steve, your line is open. Speaker 300:21:49Hi, this is Jackson Gibb on for Steve Wieczynski. So we've seen a fair amount of these disruptions over time how they're magnified by your scale and in some cases the uniqueness and irreplaceability of the destinations you visit. But is there anything about the new expanded Disney deal that might help mitigate that impact by maybe filling the funnel more from the demand side moving forward? Any kind of specifics about how you're thinking about the deal might help mitigate impacts from shifting itineraries would be helpful. Speaker 200:22:32Yes, that's an interesting question. Well, first of all, as a consequence of this new deal with National Geographic and by extension Disney, our marketing prowess or power, if you will, will increase, we believe, rather dramatically. Obviously, we will know more specifically and in greater detail by the end of the year how that manifests itself in terms of combating situations around the world that periodically arise, we will have to see. I mean, one of the things that we have done historically first of all, there's always been if you think about it, going back decades, there's always been something, almost invariably. Every now and then you get through a year where absolutely nothing happens in the world that has any consequence or disrupts you in any way. Speaker 200:23:28But generally speaking, there's always a couple of things, 2 or 3 things that cause you to have to maybe reroute a ship or diminish booking somewhat in certain instances significantly. So most areas we're in are we're not in for extended periods of time, except for places that are traditionally very, very stable Alaska, Galapagos, okay, we had some recent disruption, but that's not historically, there has not been disruption there. Iceland, Antarctica, the Arctic. So we're very conscientious of making sure that we're not in places or in a significant for a significant amount of time that are questionable in terms of the degree to which political influences and such can affect them. So I would say that put it this way, we are going to be strengthened as a consequence of this relationship. Speaker 200:24:31Now we have a triangle in essence. We have national geographic, Disney and ourselves, and that's a real powerhouse. So anything we face should be faced much in a stronger way than we would have without them as part of it. Speaker 100:24:51Yes. Thanks, Sven. Jackson, the other side of this from my perspective is that there's 2 aspects of our business that are pretty unique. One is we certainly have a fair amount of flexibility as Sven kind of highlighted, which is because of we are expedition by nature and we're less reliant on individual ports or resources. We can't take our ships and move them when these disruptions happen as long as there's enough notice to ultimately sell whatever the change ultimately we're going to do is. Speaker 100:25:20The second thing is the company has scaled up pretty dramatically. If you think about where we were back in 2016 before we embarked on our expansion of our overall fleet, the fleet itself is up over 60% in terms of size. And then when you look at the land companies that we've expanded, the company's earnings power has increased so dramatically that these kind of issues, the ones you're seeing in something like Ecuador or potentially in the Red Sea have much less of an impact than they ever have had before. The second thing on that front is we will continue to expand the company. As we continue to increase the scale and diversify the company, these things will continue to have less and less of an impact as we move forward. Speaker 100:25:58So to echo Sven's point, it is something that is inherited in our business, but traditionally the impact has not been significant and it will be even less so here moving forward as we continue to scale. Speaker 300:26:12Okay, awesome. That's super helpful. I guess on the subject of expanding the company, we've seen a couple of your larger peers put in new ship orders, obviously, much different size and scale and different areas of operation. But is that something that you're considering more seriously now? And I guess different way, what would have to happen for it to be the right time to order a new ship to make an addition to the fleet? Speaker 200:26:46Yes. So first of all, it's absolutely clear that the most valuable thing, the single most valuable thing that we can do as a company and are focused on doing as a company is maximizing the inventory that we have already bought and spent money on acquiring, right? So getting the occupancies back up and making sure that the yields are maintained is the primary key element of growth, obviously, internally. So this year, we will learn a lot about what this triangle is and it's the first time I've actually referenced it Speaker 100:27:26in that Speaker 200:27:26way, Disney, National Geographic, what the power of that is. And as soon as we understand that somewhat better, that will accelerate in all likelihood the commitment to acquire new vessels, whether that is acquiring vessels that exist that are no longer viable in the companies where they live or building new ships. Those are 2 avenues. If you think about our fleet broadly, up until 2015, there was that we up until 2017, we had always bought existing ships, modified them and made them suitable for our purposes and then we started building ships. So we only built 4 new ships and we have acquired a lot more than that over time. Speaker 200:28:23And so going forward, we will also be looking at these two avenues. Are there existing ships that are suitable to us that need a happy home? Or are there or should we be building new ships? And we will begin looking closely at that in the not too distant future as to which of those avenues is most suitable going forward. Speaker 300:28:50Okay, understood. And if I could just squeeze in one more. I just wanted to get some updated thoughts on how you're thinking about buybacks. You've been unrestricted by from a covenant perspective since February 2023, seem to have fairly ample liquidity. Just wanted to get perspective how you're thinking about share repurchases now? Speaker 100:29:16Sure, Jackson. So I would say we really haven't changed the way we look at share buybacks really since we put our share buyback plan in place prior to the pandemic. And that is when we think about the cash at the company and what we want to do with that cash, our first priority is to grow the business organically. Our second priority is to look for M and A opportunities that will that will ultimately increase the earnings potential of the company here moving forward and increase the opportunity to grow. And then 3rd, we have no hesitation about returning capital to shareholders either through buying back shares or obviously lowering our outstanding debt when we have the ability to do so. Speaker 100:30:00So I would say that's how we weigh all of our cash return at any given moment and we'll continue to do that moving forward. Speaker 300:30:09Got it. That's great. That's all for me. Thank you. Operator00:30:16Our next question comes from Eric Wold from B. Riley Securities. Eric, your line is now open. Speaker 400:30:23Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Just a couple of questions for me. I guess, first, Craig, maybe if we Operator00:30:30think about Speaker 400:30:30the obviously strong growth in EBITDA year over year, we think about the numbers came in towards the lower end of the guidance range that you gave or kind of reaffirmed on the Q3 call. And I know that there's disruption from the Israeli Hamas war, which was known at that time. Can you maybe just kind of give us a sense of kind of what are the biggest factors that kept EBITDA towards the lower end versus possibly getting up towards that higher end? Speaker 100:31:02Sure. Yes, I think you pretty much touched upon it, Eric, more than anything else, right? So when you look at the Q4, everything pretty much came in where we anticipated it to come in from both the revenue and cost perspective, with the exception of the cancellations that came because of the conflict that was happening over the Middle East. So when you ultimately have cancellations, they tend to have a pretty dramatic effect on revenue and tends to fall right to the bottom line. So in the absence of that, numbers certainly would have been a little bit higher, but the expectations for everything else pretty much came in where we thought they would. Speaker 400:31:41Okay, perfect. And then kind of a broader question. I know you've had now a number of months of working with kind of the expanded National Geographic Disney team since you announced the extended agreement. I guess maybe give us if you had more time to work with them, updated sense on, I guess, timing of when you expect kind of the full effect of kind of the Disney travel team to really start working with yours and start pushing the Lindblad tours? How visible do you think this relationship will be to consumers now versus maybe previously? Speaker 400:32:22I mean, how will consumers know that you're a part of or kind of working with being a part of that relationship? And then any sense on how those teams will kind of market your voyages relative to Disney's own mass cruises and kind of how that will be kind of potentially kind of parsed out in kind of their efforts, so to speak? Speaker 200:32:45Yes. So this is a multifaceted answer because it's a multifaceted campaign, if you will. So there are 3 buckets of investment in terms of marketing. 1 is a joint investment between Disney and ourselves, which is managed jointly. There's the National Geographic Expeditions investment and there's our investments, all pulling in the same direction because we have no longer any attribution connected with how business comes in. Speaker 200:33:15We for the 20 years previously, we've had attribution. There's been specific business that's coming through the National Geographic Expeditions channel and through our own and those have different financial mechanisms connected with it. That has been completely eliminated. So we're all pulling in absolutely the same direction. None of us care where the business comes from, which of the channels it comes from and there's value in all of the channels. Speaker 200:33:42So when you think about the addition of Disney, right, you had National Geographic Exhibitions and Lindblad, that's been going on for 20 years. Now Disney comes into the mix as part of it. They have extraordinary distribution channels. When it comes to I mean, they have a huge sales force, for example, that accesses the trade. They have so many sort of distribution avenues where they are intending to showcase Lindblad Expeditions National Geographic. Speaker 200:34:19The teams are meeting regularly once a month on a disciplined basis for an extended period of time to develop strategies and tactics. And periodically, we get together on a wider basis at different levels of engagement between ourselves, the Disney team and the National Geographic Expedition team to deal with longer term issues that we can that we believe can drive the business. So the engagement between the organizations has just been hugely cooperative and very excited and very, very committed to the idea of growing our business together because there's lots of value for all parties if we do that. The good thing about a really, really good agreement is where you are pretty much you pretty much assured that everybody that's part of that agreement gains significant value as a consequence of growth. And that's what this agreement is. Speaker 300:35:24Helpful. Thank you. Thank you both. Operator00:35:39Our next question comes from Alex Fuhrman from Craig Hallum Capital Group. Alex, your line is now open. Speaker 500:35:47Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. It sounds like you're obviously guiding to pretty significant revenue growth this year and the vast majority of the revenue that you're projecting is already on the book. Can you help to square that a little bit with a relatively modest 2% increase in bookings compared to the same time last year? Are you starting to see people maybe book a little bit closer to the departure time now that it's harder for them to cancel or reschedule their voyages? Speaker 100:36:20Yes. So let me touch upon that and then I'll turn it over to Sven for any comments. The 2% increase in terms of revenue today is very misleading because we had this significant pile of money that was in from cancellations that happened cancellations from deferrals that happened during COVID into 2023 that were on the books at this point versus what we're seeing this year, which is we had less of the carry in, but the week on week growth of bookings is so much more significant than it was a year ago in terms of the weekly bookings. So what we're seeing is that 2% Grills number is expanding rapidly every single week. So if I looked at it several weeks ago, it was down and now it's already up and it will continue to head in that direction. Speaker 100:37:08Because again, as I mentioned in my comments, if you look at the bookings from kind of December 1 through today, we're up 50%, five-zero versus where we were in those same bookings a year ago. So the momentum is really, really strong and it has really just continued. So we fully anticipate that that opportunity will continue to expand moving forward. Sven, anything you want to add? Speaker 200:37:32Yes. Well, just to clarify. So we during COVID, we issued a ton of and Craig can give you the actual amount of what's called future travel credits, right? Rather than canceling, they got a credit for the future. So we already received the money and then they were able to travel in the future. Speaker 200:37:53And so last year, a lot of a significant number of those credits were utilized and were part of the considered part of the revenue. So this year, it's all new people by and large, very, very few future travel credits. So in a sense, the 2% is really misleading. If you exclude that particular metric, it'd be more like 20%, 21% ahead and 50% in the last couple of months in terms of future growth. So you got to take that in context. Speaker 500:38:32Okay, guys. That's really helpful. I appreciate that. Thank you both. Speaker 100:38:37Thank you. Operator00:38:42Okay. We have no further questions. So I'd like to hand the call back to you, Craig. Speaker 100:38:49Thank you, operator. Thank you everybody else for joining us today. We appreciate your time as always. If you have additional questions, please reach out. We look forward to hearing from each of you. Operator00:38:58Thank you. Speaker 200:39:00Thank you very much. Operator00:39:04Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Lindblad Expeditions 4th Quarter and Full Year Financial Results. My name is Bruno, and I'll be operating your call today. I will now hand over to your host and Chief Financial Officer, Greg Valentine. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, Bruno. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Lindblad's 2023 4th quarter and year end earnings call. With me on the call today is Sven Lindblad, Lindblad's Founder and Chief Executive Officer. Sven will begin with some opening comments and then I will follow with some details on our 2023 financial results and current expectations for 2024 before we open the call for Q and A. You can find our latest earnings release in the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 100:00:51Before we get started, let me remind everyone that the company's comments today may include forward looking statements. Those expectations are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and performance to be materially different from these expectations. The company cannot guarantee the accuracy of forecasts or estimates, and we undertake no obligation to update any such forward looking statements. If you would like more information on the risks involved in forward looking statements, please see the company's SEC filings. In addition, our comments may reference non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:01:27A reconciliation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and other associated disclosures are contained in the company's earnings release. And with that, let me turn the call over to Seth. Speaker 200:01:40Thanks, Craig, and good morning, and thank you all for joining us today. When I returned to CEO of Lindblad Expeditions in June of 2023, I laid out for you a variety of priorities that I believed would usher in a new era for our enterprise. With 8 months now in the rearview mirror, I would like to take a few minutes to discuss the progress we have made in each of these areas, while providing some color on what drove our success this past year and why we are excited about the growth opportunity we have in the months years ahead. 1st and foremost, the new era starts with putting the pandemic definitively behind us. The record financial results we delivered in 2023, including 35% revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA of over $74,000,000 a pretty good indication that we are well on our way to achieving that outcome. Speaker 200:02:37Craig will go through our financial results in a moment, but we took nearly 30,000 guests more than ever before to the remarkable destinations we've been visiting for decades. And most importantly, the guest feedback has been nothing short of extraordinary. All the drivers of our business were up this year led by a 33% increase in guest nights as we began to fully utilize our expanded fleet. As we increased capacity, we also saw meaningful growth in net yield, up 12% to $10.97 per guest night and occupancy take up to 77% from 75% a year ago. I know there is a tendency to focus on occupancy, but in isolation, it is a misleading metric, especially in our business. Speaker 200:03:25Understandably, at the big cruise lines, there is a commitment to 100% occupancy, even if the last percentages represent very low or perhaps even no yield. The reason is obvious. The onboard spend is meaningful in the casino, shops, spas, bars, land excursions, etcetera. So even if you add guests for free, you would be better off. In our case, there is minimal onboard spending, so that approach has absolutely no value. Speaker 200:03:52Also, we are extremely committed to maintaining price integrity given long term ramifications as there is no benefit in adding occupancy of yield decreases proportionately. So price integrity is a key metric and essential to preserve even if occupancies move ahead a bit slower in the short term. The second catalyst of our new era is capitalizing on the massive growth of interest in expedition travel. The pull to connect authentically with nature and culture is growing by the day and there's no other company in this segment with our track record or with our commitment to providing authentic and immersive itineraries. This past November, we further solidified our ability to take advantage of this growth with the extension and expansion of our 20 year old partnership with National Geographic, one of the world's most respected and beloved brands. Speaker 200:04:44This new agreement, which runs through 2,040, will enable us to grow our brand on an international scale and reach more citizen explorers than ever before. Beyond enhancing our shared expertise and the onboard experience for our guests, it will increase the earnings potential of the company by opening larger addressable markets through new worldwide audiences. In short, it will further solidify our position as a leader in expedition cruise and experiential adventure travel, a segment we have been leading for more than 50 years. It also brings with it the power of Disney, the world's largest media and entertainment conglomerate. They have so many different capabilities to promote and activate the market. Speaker 200:05:30And in past months, our team, along with their marketing and sales teams, have been deep into strategy and tactical plans on a regular basis, meeting monthly specific initiatives to drive business. By year's end, we will be able to report with far more accuracy the detail about how the anticipated significant National Geographic and Disney effect about the National Geographic and Disney effect, but harnessing that collective power is extremely exciting at a time with a pull to connect authentically with nature and culture is growing by the day. I firmly believe that this will result meaningful accelerated growth in terms of occupancy, yield protection and expansion of the fleet for years to come. 3rd, in this new era is building our technology to support innovative ways to drive the business. In many ways, 2023 was a year of transition on this front as we launched our new reservation system in May, the final building block in our digital stack transformation, which also included a new CRM, a new connect management system, a new digital asset management system and a new customer data platform. Speaker 200:06:43Not surprisingly, the rollout of the reservation system was complex with numerous challenges that had to be solved. It was certainly distraction for various parts of our organization, but we kept our focus on our guests and have put most of those challenges behind us. We still have a ways to go before we finally exploit the possibilities that these systems provide, but we are already seeing record bookings coming through our website. We are achieving higher conversion rates across all parts of the funnel and we are delivering stronger guest service metrics at our contact center. A 4th pillar in this new era is reconnecting with our community in creative ways and creating the most modern marketing and sales platform to propel growth. Speaker 200:07:28The new agreement with National Geographic and our upgraded technology platform will certainly be a big part of that moving forward, But we are already reaching new audiences with an expanded sales team and upgraded digital lead generation capabilities. We have been focusing on driving 1st timer bookings through elevated search campaigns to capture and convert more prospects than ever before. Growing first timers is critical in that repeat behavior is significant and they become a key community to propel growth. A new era also means bringing R and D back to the forefront in terms of new geographies, new experiences in parts of the world we have been visiting for years and innovating the ways we immerse our guests in these remarkable destinations. For 2024, we have developed a variety of new itineraries specifically designed to attract new guests. Speaker 200:08:25Most are shorter duration in order to get people into the system for the first time. Examples are a multi month commitment in Iceland this summer and our recently launched collaboration with Food and Wine Magazine pairing 14 trips along the Colombian Snake Rivers in Washington and Oregon with programming elements, wine selections and specials of guests selected by the editorial staff of Food and Wine. 1 of our biggest initiatives, the biggest initiative, new initiative is a fly in component for 1 of our Antarctic ships creating itineraries that avoid crossing the Drake Passage on some voyages and just one way on others. It also allows for people with more limited time to visit Antarctica. These offerings have literally flown off the shelves and are allowing us to connect with new travelers who wouldn't have been who wouldn't have considered this kind of expedition before. Speaker 200:09:25The last component of the new era I mentioned was maximizing our diverse portfolio of land as well looking for additional expansion opportunities either through new capacity or further diversification of land offerings. The investments we have made thus far in broadening the land portfolio has proven wildly successful, marrying the vision of expertise and entrepreneurial spirit of the founders with the operating and marketing power of Lindblad has grown our land portfolio from EBITDA of just over $3,000,000 when we first acquired Natural Habitat to nearly $23,000,000 in 2023, including nearly 30% growth year on year. This has not only created significant value for our guests and shareholders, but also is a great calling card as we strategically look to find additional companies to join our family. So as you can see, the New Era has clearly begun for Lindblad Expeditions and we are excited to further accelerate that New Era in 2024. We start the year with a strong foundation of future bookings with the Lindblad segment pacing 2% ahead of where we were at the same point in 2023, despite having significantly less carryover business from cancellations during COVID, excluding these carryover bookings, we would be 21% ahead of a year ago. Speaker 200:10:50There are a couple of headwinds to point out for the upcoming year. Due to the gang violence that erupted in Ecuador on January 10, we canceled 2 voyages out of precaution the Q1 and there was some booking instability. Fortunately, Ecuador's young energetic President seems to have quelled the violence and for all practical purposes, the country has largely stabilized. We certainly are feeling no disruption of activity and bookings are returning to a more normal pattern. Another potential headwind in Q2 is the possible rerouting of 1 of our ships around the tip of Africa to avoid the Red Sea due to the recent attacks from Yemen. Speaker 200:11:28We do not operate with guests in the Red Sea, but if we reroute the transit, there would likely be a couple of voyages impacted. While these isolated events are certainly frustrating, we have come to expect a certain amount of external disruption and these short term headwinds pale in comparison to the broader opportunity. As to expedition travel more broadly incorporating adventure travel, this still represents one of, if not the largest growth segment in the travel industry. I get why nature and particularly the concern over its long term future is fueling interest. And while there is much more competition than ever, I believe that a very strong brand inevitably be elevated by expanding interest. Speaker 200:12:14So I'm really excited about the next years as we, together with our partners at National Geographic and Disney, build and grow our business, expand our ideas, our relevance and supporting necessary strategies that help protect environments, communities and history. So many thanks for your time. And now I will turn it back to Craig. Speaker 100:12:36Thanks, Sven. As Sven highlighted, Lindblad delivered record revenue and EBITDA in 2023 as we further ramped operations with broader deployment of our expanded fleet and additional departures across our platform of land based businesses. Speaker 200:12:51As we Speaker 100:12:52have discussed previously, the earnings potential of the company has increased considerably over the last several years with the addition of over 40% more ship capacity and 3 industry leading land operators and the record results we delivered in 2023 demonstrates the opportunity we have across our diverse portfolio of experiential offerings. Before we look ahead, let me take a few minutes to discuss our performance from this past year as we focused on further ramping ship operations, fueling the growth of our differentiated land portfolio and solidifying our overall infrastructure, technological footprint and marketing and sales capabilities to allow us to maximize the earnings potential in the years ahead. Total company revenue for the full year 2023 of 570,000,000 dollars increased $148,000,000 or 35% versus 2022 as we continue to ramp operations with strong growth across both our Lindblad and Land Experiences segments. At the Lindblad segment, revenue of $397,000,000 increased $119,000,000 or 43% year on year, primarily due to a 33% increase in available guest nights from broader utilization of the fleet. Additionally, net yield increased 12% to 10.97 per available guest night due to higher pricing and occupancy expansion to 77% despite the significant increase in available guest nights year over year. Speaker 100:14:20As we further ramp occupancy towards historical levels, you can see both the revenue opportunity and the operating leverage inherent in our marine platform as we attract more and more guests while maintaining strong pricing discipline across the expanded fleet. Similar to our ship operations, our land portfolio is also delivering strong growth, driven by additional departures and guests across each of our 4 unique businesses. Land experiences revenue of $172,000,000 increased $29,000,000 or 20% versus a year ago, led by Natural Habitat's Polar Bear and Africa Trips, Devine's cycling tours across Europe, Classic Journeys walking tours in Italy and Morocco and off the beaten path trips to U. S. National Parks. Speaker 100:15:07The strong revenue growth across both segments generated significant operating leverage in 2023 with total company adjusted EBITDA of 71,000,000 dollars an increase of $83,000,000 versus a year ago, driven by a $78,000,000 increase at the Lindblad segment and a $5,000,000 or 29 percent increase at the Land Experiences segment. Looking a little closer at the cost side of the business, operating expenses before depreciation and amortization, interest and taxes increased $65,000,000 or 15% versus 2022, led by a $39,000,000 or 14% increase in cost of tours versus a year ago, primarily related to operating additional ship and land based itineraries. Fuel costs decreased year on year as increased usage from operating additional trips was more than offset by lower pricing versus a year ago. Fuel was 5% of revenue in 2023 as compared to 7% of revenue in 2022. Sales and marketing costs increased $10,000,000 or 17% versus a year ago, primarily due to higher commissions and royalties related to the increase in revenue and from increased search and direct mail marketing to drive future bookings. Speaker 100:16:22And G and A spending increased 15,000,000 dollars or 17% excluding stock based compensation and one time items versus a year ago, primarily due to higher personnel costs as we ramp operations and increased credit card commissions related to final payments for upcoming itineraries and higher deposits on new reservations for future travel. Total company net loss available to stockholders of $50,000,000 or $0.94 per diluted share improved $66,000,000 versus the net loss available to common stockholders of $116,000,000 or 2.23 dollars per diluted share reported a year ago. The improvement reflects the significant ramp in operations, partially offset by $8,000,000 of additional interest expense, net associated with the higher rates and increased borrowings, mostly related to our debt refinancing in May of 2023 and a $7,000,000 increase in stock based compensation primarily related to the increase in value of Natural Lab Debt. Looking quickly at the Q4 2023, revenue increased 6% compared to the same period in 2022, due in large part to broader utilization of the fleet and additional land trip operations. Available guest nights at the Lindblad segment increased 18% due in large part to an additional transit voyage from Southeast Asia to French Polynesia on the resolution as well as from the timing of dry docks. Speaker 100:17:50As I highlighted on the last call, while taking guests on our transit voyages generates additional revenue on voyages that would normally be non revenue generating, they do have a negative impact on occupancy and yields, which was evident in the Q4 metrics. The decrease in occupancy versus a year ago was predominantly due to the additional transit nights for sale as well as from increased cancellations on our Egypt itineraries due to the Israeli Hamas war. Adjusted EBITDA in the Q4 of $4,000,000 increased $7,000,000 from the Q4 a year ago as the majority of the revenue growth in the quarter fell to the bottom line with operating expenses before depreciation and amortization, stock based comp, interest and taxes up only 1% versus the Q4 a year ago. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the year with 187,000,000 dollars in cash and short term securities, an increase of $58,000,000 versus the end of 2022, primarily driven by the net proceeds of $67,000,000 from the debt refinancing back in May of 2023, which was offset by free cash flow use of about 4,500,000 Speaker 200:19:00Free cash Speaker 100:19:00flow for the year included $25,000,000 in cash from operations led by the improved operating performance, which was partially offset by interest payments of $44,000,000 Please note that cash from operations was also negatively impacted by the use of future travel credits, which made up approximately 8% of ticket revenues in the current year. Cash from operations was more than offset by CapEx of $30,000,000 mostly from routine vessel maintenance as well as from investments in our digital initiatives. Looking ahead, we are excited by the sustained operating momentum across our expanded platform and we anticipate significant growth in 2024, driven by higher occupancies and increased net yields across our fleet, as well as additional travelers across our growing land businesses. The Lindblad segment is in a strong booking position for the upcoming year and the booking momentum has only accelerated with bookings since the start of December for travel in 2024 up over 50% versus the same period a year ago 2023. Additionally, we have already booked over 87% of our full year projected ticket revenues for the year. Speaker 100:20:10Given the strong booking trends we are generating, we expect total company tour revenue in 2024 between $610,000,000 $630,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA between $88,000,000 $98,000,000 Please note that these projections reflect the increased royalty rate associated with the expansion and extension of our National Geographic relationship as well as the impact of the voyage cancellations that Sven mentioned earlier. In addition to the robust P and L growth in 2024, we also anticipate strong free cash flow generation excluding any growth CapEx. Maintenance CapEx is expected to be approximately $25,000,000 to $30,000,000 in the current year, which includes vessel maintenance as well as some additional investments in our digital initiatives. We do anticipate buying part of the minority interest in our land companies during the Q1 and we will continue to explore additional growth opportunities in the year ahead, including further diversifying our product portfolio or opportunistically expanding our fleet to capitalize on the continued growth in the demand for experiential travel. Thanks for your time this morning. Speaker 100:21:14And now Sven and I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. Operator00:21:40We do have our first question comes from Steve Wieczynski from Stifel. Steve, your line is open. Speaker 300:21:49Hi, this is Jackson Gibb on for Steve Wieczynski. So we've seen a fair amount of these disruptions over time how they're magnified by your scale and in some cases the uniqueness and irreplaceability of the destinations you visit. But is there anything about the new expanded Disney deal that might help mitigate that impact by maybe filling the funnel more from the demand side moving forward? Any kind of specifics about how you're thinking about the deal might help mitigate impacts from shifting itineraries would be helpful. Speaker 200:22:32Yes, that's an interesting question. Well, first of all, as a consequence of this new deal with National Geographic and by extension Disney, our marketing prowess or power, if you will, will increase, we believe, rather dramatically. Obviously, we will know more specifically and in greater detail by the end of the year how that manifests itself in terms of combating situations around the world that periodically arise, we will have to see. I mean, one of the things that we have done historically first of all, there's always been if you think about it, going back decades, there's always been something, almost invariably. Every now and then you get through a year where absolutely nothing happens in the world that has any consequence or disrupts you in any way. Speaker 200:23:28But generally speaking, there's always a couple of things, 2 or 3 things that cause you to have to maybe reroute a ship or diminish booking somewhat in certain instances significantly. So most areas we're in are we're not in for extended periods of time, except for places that are traditionally very, very stable Alaska, Galapagos, okay, we had some recent disruption, but that's not historically, there has not been disruption there. Iceland, Antarctica, the Arctic. So we're very conscientious of making sure that we're not in places or in a significant for a significant amount of time that are questionable in terms of the degree to which political influences and such can affect them. So I would say that put it this way, we are going to be strengthened as a consequence of this relationship. Speaker 200:24:31Now we have a triangle in essence. We have national geographic, Disney and ourselves, and that's a real powerhouse. So anything we face should be faced much in a stronger way than we would have without them as part of it. Speaker 100:24:51Yes. Thanks, Sven. Jackson, the other side of this from my perspective is that there's 2 aspects of our business that are pretty unique. One is we certainly have a fair amount of flexibility as Sven kind of highlighted, which is because of we are expedition by nature and we're less reliant on individual ports or resources. We can't take our ships and move them when these disruptions happen as long as there's enough notice to ultimately sell whatever the change ultimately we're going to do is. Speaker 100:25:20The second thing is the company has scaled up pretty dramatically. If you think about where we were back in 2016 before we embarked on our expansion of our overall fleet, the fleet itself is up over 60% in terms of size. And then when you look at the land companies that we've expanded, the company's earnings power has increased so dramatically that these kind of issues, the ones you're seeing in something like Ecuador or potentially in the Red Sea have much less of an impact than they ever have had before. The second thing on that front is we will continue to expand the company. As we continue to increase the scale and diversify the company, these things will continue to have less and less of an impact as we move forward. Speaker 100:25:58So to echo Sven's point, it is something that is inherited in our business, but traditionally the impact has not been significant and it will be even less so here moving forward as we continue to scale. Speaker 300:26:12Okay, awesome. That's super helpful. I guess on the subject of expanding the company, we've seen a couple of your larger peers put in new ship orders, obviously, much different size and scale and different areas of operation. But is that something that you're considering more seriously now? And I guess different way, what would have to happen for it to be the right time to order a new ship to make an addition to the fleet? Speaker 200:26:46Yes. So first of all, it's absolutely clear that the most valuable thing, the single most valuable thing that we can do as a company and are focused on doing as a company is maximizing the inventory that we have already bought and spent money on acquiring, right? So getting the occupancies back up and making sure that the yields are maintained is the primary key element of growth, obviously, internally. So this year, we will learn a lot about what this triangle is and it's the first time I've actually referenced it Speaker 100:27:26in that Speaker 200:27:26way, Disney, National Geographic, what the power of that is. And as soon as we understand that somewhat better, that will accelerate in all likelihood the commitment to acquire new vessels, whether that is acquiring vessels that exist that are no longer viable in the companies where they live or building new ships. Those are 2 avenues. If you think about our fleet broadly, up until 2015, there was that we up until 2017, we had always bought existing ships, modified them and made them suitable for our purposes and then we started building ships. So we only built 4 new ships and we have acquired a lot more than that over time. Speaker 200:28:23And so going forward, we will also be looking at these two avenues. Are there existing ships that are suitable to us that need a happy home? Or are there or should we be building new ships? And we will begin looking closely at that in the not too distant future as to which of those avenues is most suitable going forward. Speaker 300:28:50Okay, understood. And if I could just squeeze in one more. I just wanted to get some updated thoughts on how you're thinking about buybacks. You've been unrestricted by from a covenant perspective since February 2023, seem to have fairly ample liquidity. Just wanted to get perspective how you're thinking about share repurchases now? Speaker 100:29:16Sure, Jackson. So I would say we really haven't changed the way we look at share buybacks really since we put our share buyback plan in place prior to the pandemic. And that is when we think about the cash at the company and what we want to do with that cash, our first priority is to grow the business organically. Our second priority is to look for M and A opportunities that will that will ultimately increase the earnings potential of the company here moving forward and increase the opportunity to grow. And then 3rd, we have no hesitation about returning capital to shareholders either through buying back shares or obviously lowering our outstanding debt when we have the ability to do so. Speaker 100:30:00So I would say that's how we weigh all of our cash return at any given moment and we'll continue to do that moving forward. Speaker 300:30:09Got it. That's great. That's all for me. Thank you. Operator00:30:16Our next question comes from Eric Wold from B. Riley Securities. Eric, your line is now open. Speaker 400:30:23Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Just a couple of questions for me. I guess, first, Craig, maybe if we Operator00:30:30think about Speaker 400:30:30the obviously strong growth in EBITDA year over year, we think about the numbers came in towards the lower end of the guidance range that you gave or kind of reaffirmed on the Q3 call. And I know that there's disruption from the Israeli Hamas war, which was known at that time. Can you maybe just kind of give us a sense of kind of what are the biggest factors that kept EBITDA towards the lower end versus possibly getting up towards that higher end? Speaker 100:31:02Sure. Yes, I think you pretty much touched upon it, Eric, more than anything else, right? So when you look at the Q4, everything pretty much came in where we anticipated it to come in from both the revenue and cost perspective, with the exception of the cancellations that came because of the conflict that was happening over the Middle East. So when you ultimately have cancellations, they tend to have a pretty dramatic effect on revenue and tends to fall right to the bottom line. So in the absence of that, numbers certainly would have been a little bit higher, but the expectations for everything else pretty much came in where we thought they would. Speaker 400:31:41Okay, perfect. And then kind of a broader question. I know you've had now a number of months of working with kind of the expanded National Geographic Disney team since you announced the extended agreement. I guess maybe give us if you had more time to work with them, updated sense on, I guess, timing of when you expect kind of the full effect of kind of the Disney travel team to really start working with yours and start pushing the Lindblad tours? How visible do you think this relationship will be to consumers now versus maybe previously? Speaker 400:32:22I mean, how will consumers know that you're a part of or kind of working with being a part of that relationship? And then any sense on how those teams will kind of market your voyages relative to Disney's own mass cruises and kind of how that will be kind of potentially kind of parsed out in kind of their efforts, so to speak? Speaker 200:32:45Yes. So this is a multifaceted answer because it's a multifaceted campaign, if you will. So there are 3 buckets of investment in terms of marketing. 1 is a joint investment between Disney and ourselves, which is managed jointly. There's the National Geographic Expeditions investment and there's our investments, all pulling in the same direction because we have no longer any attribution connected with how business comes in. Speaker 200:33:15We for the 20 years previously, we've had attribution. There's been specific business that's coming through the National Geographic Expeditions channel and through our own and those have different financial mechanisms connected with it. That has been completely eliminated. So we're all pulling in absolutely the same direction. None of us care where the business comes from, which of the channels it comes from and there's value in all of the channels. Speaker 200:33:42So when you think about the addition of Disney, right, you had National Geographic Exhibitions and Lindblad, that's been going on for 20 years. Now Disney comes into the mix as part of it. They have extraordinary distribution channels. When it comes to I mean, they have a huge sales force, for example, that accesses the trade. They have so many sort of distribution avenues where they are intending to showcase Lindblad Expeditions National Geographic. Speaker 200:34:19The teams are meeting regularly once a month on a disciplined basis for an extended period of time to develop strategies and tactics. And periodically, we get together on a wider basis at different levels of engagement between ourselves, the Disney team and the National Geographic Expedition team to deal with longer term issues that we can that we believe can drive the business. So the engagement between the organizations has just been hugely cooperative and very excited and very, very committed to the idea of growing our business together because there's lots of value for all parties if we do that. The good thing about a really, really good agreement is where you are pretty much you pretty much assured that everybody that's part of that agreement gains significant value as a consequence of growth. And that's what this agreement is. Speaker 300:35:24Helpful. Thank you. Thank you both. Operator00:35:39Our next question comes from Alex Fuhrman from Craig Hallum Capital Group. Alex, your line is now open. Speaker 500:35:47Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. It sounds like you're obviously guiding to pretty significant revenue growth this year and the vast majority of the revenue that you're projecting is already on the book. Can you help to square that a little bit with a relatively modest 2% increase in bookings compared to the same time last year? Are you starting to see people maybe book a little bit closer to the departure time now that it's harder for them to cancel or reschedule their voyages? Speaker 100:36:20Yes. So let me touch upon that and then I'll turn it over to Sven for any comments. The 2% increase in terms of revenue today is very misleading because we had this significant pile of money that was in from cancellations that happened cancellations from deferrals that happened during COVID into 2023 that were on the books at this point versus what we're seeing this year, which is we had less of the carry in, but the week on week growth of bookings is so much more significant than it was a year ago in terms of the weekly bookings. So what we're seeing is that 2% Grills number is expanding rapidly every single week. So if I looked at it several weeks ago, it was down and now it's already up and it will continue to head in that direction. Speaker 100:37:08Because again, as I mentioned in my comments, if you look at the bookings from kind of December 1 through today, we're up 50%, five-zero versus where we were in those same bookings a year ago. So the momentum is really, really strong and it has really just continued. So we fully anticipate that that opportunity will continue to expand moving forward. Sven, anything you want to add? Speaker 200:37:32Yes. Well, just to clarify. So we during COVID, we issued a ton of and Craig can give you the actual amount of what's called future travel credits, right? Rather than canceling, they got a credit for the future. So we already received the money and then they were able to travel in the future. Speaker 200:37:53And so last year, a lot of a significant number of those credits were utilized and were part of the considered part of the revenue. So this year, it's all new people by and large, very, very few future travel credits. So in a sense, the 2% is really misleading. If you exclude that particular metric, it'd be more like 20%, 21% ahead and 50% in the last couple of months in terms of future growth. So you got to take that in context. Speaker 500:38:32Okay, guys. That's really helpful. I appreciate that. Thank you both. Speaker 100:38:37Thank you. Operator00:38:42Okay. We have no further questions. So I'd like to hand the call back to you, Craig. Speaker 100:38:49Thank you, operator. Thank you everybody else for joining us today. We appreciate your time as always. If you have additional questions, please reach out. We look forward to hearing from each of you. Operator00:38:58Thank you. Speaker 200:39:00Thank you very much. Operator00:39:04Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by