NXP Semiconductors Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 6, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the NXP 4Q 'twenty three Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would like to turn the call over to Jeff Palmer, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations.

Operator

You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Michelle, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to NXP Semiconductors' 4th Quarter Earnings Call. With me on the call today is Curt Sievers, NXP's President and CEO and Bill Betts, our CFO. The call today is being recorded and will be available for replay from our corporate website. Today's call will include forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause NXT's results to differ materially from management's current expectations.

Speaker 1

These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, statements regarding the macro impact on the specific end markets in which we operate, the sale of new and existing products and our expectations for financial results the Q1 of 2024. Please be reminded that NXP undertakes no obligation to revise or update publicly any forward looking statements. For a full disclosure on forward looking statements, please refer to our press release. Additionally, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures, which are driven primarily by discrete events that management does not consider to be directly related to NXP's underlying core operating performance. Pursuant to Regulation G, NXP has provided reconciliations of the non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in our Q4 2023 earnings press release, which will be furnished to the SEC on Form 8 ks and available on NXP's website in the Investor Relations section.

Speaker 1

Now I'd like to turn it over to Kurt. Thank you,

Speaker 2

Jeff, and good morning, everyone. We really appreciate you joining our call this morning. I will review both our quarter 4 and our full year 2023 performance and then discuss our guidance for quarter 1. Beginning with quarter 4, our revenue was $22,000,000 better than the midpoint of our guidance, with the trends in the mobile market performing better than our expectations with Automotive and Industry and IoT performance in line with our guidance and communication infrastructure slightly below our expectations. Taken together, NXP delivered quarter 4 revenue of SEK 3,420,000,000, an increase of 3% year on year.

Speaker 2

Non GAAP operating margin in quarter 4 was 35.6%, 90 basis points below the year ago period and about 20 basis points above the midpoint of our guidance. The year on year performance was a result of solid gross profit growth, offset by higher operating expenses as we continue to invest in new product development. From a channel perspective, we maintained distribution inventory at a tight 1.5 months level, well below our long term target of 2.5 months. In addition, We continue to partner with our direct customers on the normalization of their on hand inventory. For the full year, revenue was SEK 13,280,000,000, an increase of about 1% year on year.

Speaker 2

Passing the revenue growth, we increased our pricing by approximately 8% in 2023, offsetting our higher input costs to maintain our gross profit percentage. And at the same time, our unit volumes were down by approximately 7% through 2023. We believe this underpins our view that we have intentionally undershipped fundamental end demands in order to limit inventory build in the channel and at our direct customers. Full year non GAAP operating margin was 35.1 percent, 120 basis point compression versus the year ago period as a result of the improved gross profit performance, offset by increased operating expenses, primarily in product and system innovation investments. Now let me turn to the specific full year 2023 trends in our focus end markets.

Speaker 2

In Automotive, full year revenue was SEK 7,480,000,000 up 9% year on year, Which is a reflection of higher pricing, strong company specific growth drivers, offset by lower shipment volumes. For quarter 4, automotive revenue was SEK1.89 billion, up 5% versus the year ago period and in line with our guidance. Turning to Industrial and IoT. Full year revenue was SEK 2,350,000,000, Down 13% year on year, a reflection of our tight channel management in a cyclically weak end market offsetting price increases. We saw the trust for the industrial and IoT business back in quarter 1, 2023.

Speaker 2

For quarter 4, Industrial and IoT revenue was €662,000,000 up 9% versus the year ago period and in line with our guidance. In mobile, full year revenue was CAD 1,330,000,000 down 17% year on year because of weak trends and inventory digestion in the handset marketplace. For quarter 4, mobile revenue was €406,000,000 flat versus the year ago period and better than our guidance. Finally, in Communication Infrastructure and Other, full year revenue was €2,111,000,000 up 5% year on year. The year on year growth was due to a combination of increased sales of secured card and tagging solutions, higher pricing and last time buys of select legacy network processor solutions.

Speaker 2

And that was offset by declines of RF power products for the cellular base station market. For quarter 4, revenue was €455,000,000 down 8% year on year and below our guidance. Now like every year, I would like to provide the annual progress update on our 6 accelerated growth drivers, which we highlighted during our Analyst Day in November 2021. Starting with Automotive, the accelerated growth drivers our radar, electrification and our S32 processor family for the software defined vehicle. Looking at our performance in 2023, both the S32 processor family and our electrification solutions are tracking ahead of plan.

Speaker 2

Revenue from radar is tracking below plan as we took strong actions to limit shipments to customers who are digesting inventory. Taken together, the automotive accelerated growth drivers in aggregate are tracking above plan. The underlying core auto business grew in line with our longer term expectations. Within Industrial and IoT, we are tracking below our expected growth range. We believe the underperformance is a reflection of significant cyclical end market weakness and of our disciplined approach to managing the distribution channel.

Speaker 2

So remember, we serve approximately 80% of the industrial and IoT end markets through our distribution channel To efficiently address the needs of tens of thousands of small customers, the majority of whom are in the Asia Pacific and the Greater China region. Within mobile, we are below our expected revenue growth range for the ultra wideband accelerated growth driver due to the well documented weakness in the Android handset market. However, ultra wideband traction in the automotive market, which is the first well defined use case for ultra wideband is progressing very well. 18 out of 20 automotive platforms have been awarded to NXP And another 15 platforms are evaluating NXP solutions as we speak. And at this point in time, the ultra wideband revenue stream is being driven by about 7 automotive platforms and a few premier handset OEMs.

Speaker 2

Finally, for RF Our amplifiers within communications infrastructure, we are below our expected revenue growth range. The challenge we faced was combination of weaker base station deployments globally in 2023 and the faster than expected OEM transition to Gallium Nitride from LDMOS technology. However, the underlying core portion of communications infrastructure performed very well in 2023 As a result of serving pent up demand for various secure cards and tagging solutions, including RFID for intelligent labels. Taken together, we are ahead of plan for the Communications Infrastructure segment. Now let me turn to our expectation for quarter 1, 2024.

Speaker 2

We are guiding quarter 1 revenue to 3,125,000,000 about flat versus the Q1 of 2023. From a sequential perspective, this represents a deceleration of about 9% at the midpoint versus the prior quarter, which is consistent with our original outlook for quarter 1 to be down in the mid to high single digit range. Our tempered outlook for quarter run reflects typical seasonality compounded by our continued desire to enable the normalization of on hand inventories at our direct customers. And we will continue to hold channel inventory in a tight range. Regarding pricing, we see improving input costs trend versus previous years, which allow us to assume flat pricing for 2024.

Speaker 2

So at the midpoint, we anticipate the following trends in our business during quarter 1. Automotive is expected to be down in the low single digit percent range versus quarter 1 2023 and down in the mid single digit percent range versus quarter 4 2023. Industry and IoT is expected to be up in the mid teens percent range year on year and down in the low double digit percent range versus quarter 4 2023. Mobile is expected to be up in the low 30% range year on year and down in the mid teens percent range versus quarter 4 2023. Finally, communication infrastructure and other is expected to be down in the mid-twenty percent range year on year and down in the low double digit percent range versus quarter 4 2023.

Speaker 2

In review, during 2023, thanks to our company specific end market exposure, We experienced the variations of the semiconductor cycle at distinctly different points of time for the various parts of our portfolio. On the one hand, full year revenue performance in our more consumer oriented segments of Industrial and IoT and Mobile was underwhelming. However, following our tight channel management, these businesses trussed already back in quarter 1 2023 After experiencing a dramatic post COVID reset, ever since we have seen a gradual improvement. And we do think these growth trends should continue throughout 2024. On the other hand, within Automotive and Core Industrial, we experienced solid trends in the early part of 2023, but has entered the multi quarter inventory correction phase with our direct customers starting in the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 2

This should continue through the first half of twenty twenty four. In the second half of twenty twenty four, we expect also in the Automotive and Industrial segments to shift to end demand and resume growth. Regarding our Communication Infrastructure and Other Business, We expect 2024 revenue to decline over 2023 consistent with our prior view we shared on the Q3 earnings call. So as we look ahead to 2024, we do think the macro has deteriorated from our view 90 days ago. We now expect the first half of twenty twenty four will decline versus the first half of twenty twenty three due to longer than anticipated inventory digestion at our direct automotive customers.

Speaker 2

However, we expect our company revenue in the second half of twenty twenty four We'll grow over the first half of twenty twenty four as we believe we will be shipping again to end demand by then. Overall, we have and will continue to manage everything in our control to navigate a soft landing for our business. As such, we have kept a very tight handle on our distribution channel and we are supporting our direct customers to This enables us to take advantage of the cyclical improvement as soon as it materializes per segment. And based on everything I have said, the potential outcome for 2024 should be in the range of a modest annual revenue growth or decline. So now I would like to pass the call to you, Bill, for a review of our financial performance.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Kurt, and good morning to everyone on today's call. As Kurt has already covered the drivers of the revenue during Q4 and provided our revenue outlook for Q1, I will move to the financial highlights. Overall, Our Q4 financial performance was good. Revenue was slightly above the midpoint of our guidance range And non GAAP gross profit was above the midpoint of our guidance range, driven by a higher mix from sales into distribution channel, Even as months of supply in the channel remained flat at 1.5 months or about 6 weeks. I will first provide full year highlights and then move to the Q4 results.

Speaker 3

Full year revenue for 2023 was $13,280,000,000 or up 1% year on year. We generate $7,760,000,000 in non GAAP gross profit and reported a non GAAP gross margin of 58.5%, up 60 basis points year on year. Total non GAAP operating expenses were $3,090,000,000 or 23.3 percent of revenue, slightly above our long term financial model as we continue to invest in our strategy supporting long term profitable growth. Total non GAAP operating profit was 4,660,000,000 Down 3% year on year, this reflects a non GAAP operating margin of 35.1 percent, down 120 basis points year on year and in line with our current long term financial model. Non GAAP interest expense was $283,000,000 Taxes related to ongoing operations were 693,000,000 or a 15.8% non GAAP effective tax rate.

Speaker 3

Non controlling interests were 25,000,000 And stock based compensation, which is not included in our non GAAP earnings was 411,000,000 Turning to full year cash flow performance, we generated $3,510,000,000 in cash flow from operations and invested $826,000,000 in net CapEx or 6% of revenue. Taken together, this resulted in $2,690,000,000 of non GAAP free cash flow or 20% of revenue. During 2023, We repurchased 5,460,000 shares for $1,050,000,000 and paid cash dividends of $1,010,000,000 or 29 percent of cash flow from operations. In total, We returned $2,060,000,000 to our owners, which was 77% of the total non GAAP free cash flow generated during the year. Now moving to the details of Q4.

Speaker 3

Total revenue was 3,420,000,000 up 3% year on year, modestly above the midpoint of our guidance range. We generate CAD 2,010,000,000 in non GAAP gross profit and reported a non GAAP gross margin of 58.7 percent, up 70 basis points year on year and 20 basis points above the midpoint of our guidance range driven primarily by mix. Total non GAAP operating expenses were $791,000,000 or 23.1 percent of revenue, up $78,000,000 year on year though down $12,000,000 from Q3 and within our guidance range. From a total operating profit perspective, non GAAP operating profit was 1,220,000,000 And non GAAP operating margin was 35.6 percent, down 90 basis points year on year, above the midpoint of our guidance range. Non GAAP interest expense was 69,000,000 With taxes for ongoing operations were $178,000,000 or a 15.5% non GAAP effective tax rate.

Speaker 3

Non controlling interest was $6,000,000 and stock based compensation, which is not included in our non GAAP earnings was 107,000,000 Now I would like to turn to the changes in our cash and debt. Our total debt at the end of Q4 was $11,170,000,000 essentially flat sequentially. Our ending cash balance including short term deposits was $4,270,000,000 up $229,000,000 sequentially due to the cumulative effect of capital returns, CapEx investments and cash generation during Q4. The resulting net debt was $6,900,000,000 And we exited the quarter with a trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA of 5,410,000,000 Our ratio of net debt to trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA at the end of Q4 was 1.3 times And our 12 month adjusted EBITDA interest coverage ratio was 21.6 times. During Q4, we paid $261,000,000 in cash dividends and we repurchased $434,000,000 of our shares.

Speaker 3

Turning to working capital metrics, days of inventory was 132 days, a decrease of 2 days sequentially, while we maintain distribution channel inventory at 1.5 months or about 6 weeks. As we have highlighted throughout the previous year, given the uncertain demand environment, We continue to make the intentional choice to limit inventory in the channel, while keeping inventory on our balance sheet to enable greater flexibility to redirect product as needed. Days receivable were 24 days, down one day sequentially And days payable were 72 days, an increase of 12 days versus the prior quarter due to increased external material sourcing. Taken together, our cash conversion cycle was 84 days and an improvement of 15 days versus the prior quarter. Cash flow from operations was $1,140,000,000 and net CapEx was $175,000,000 resulting in non GAAP free cash flow of $962,000,000 or 28 percent of revenue.

Speaker 3

Turning now to our expectations for the Q1. As Kurt mentioned, we anticipate Q1 revenue to be $3,125,000,000 plus or minus about $100,000,000 At the midpoint, This is flat year on year and down 9% sequentially. We expect non GAAP gross margin to be about 58% plus or minus 50 basis points, driven primarily related to lower distribution sales as we maintain our months of sales in the channel at 1.6 or below. Operating expenses are expected to be about $755,000,000 plus or minus about $10,000,000 Taken together, we see non GAAP operating margin to be 33.9% at the midpoint. We estimate non GAAP financial expense to be about $66,000,000 We anticipate the non GAAP tax rate to be 16.9% of profit before tax, non controlling interest and other will be about 3,000,000 For Q1, we suggest for modeling purposes, you use an average share count of 259,000,000 shares.

Speaker 3

We expect stock based compensation, which is not included in our non GAAP guidance to be $127,000,000 Higher than normal driven by our restructuring activities taken in Q4 as we continue to refine the portfolio. For capital expenditures, we expect to be around 7%. Taken together at the midpoint, This implies a non GAAP earnings per share of $3.17 For full year 2024 modeling purposes, we expect non GAAP gross margin to be around the high end of our long term model of plus or minus the normal 50 basis points. We expect operating expenses to stay within our long term model and fluctuate by quarter driven by annualized merits occurring in the 2nd quarter and variable compensation movements pending actual performance. We suggest for non GAAP tax rate use a range between 16.4% to 17.4%.

Speaker 3

For stock based compensation, we suggest to use $480,000,000 where Q1 is the peak for the year. For non controlling interest, we suggest to use $25,000,000 For capital expenditures, we expect to stay within the long term model of 6% to 8% of sales. In closing, looking ahead into 2024, I'd like to highlight a few focus areas for NXP. 1st, from a performance standpoint, We will continue to navigate a soft landing through a challenging and cyclical demand environment. Therefore, We will continue to be disciplined to manage what is in our control and stay within our long term financial model.

Speaker 3

2nd, Operationally, the Q1 guidance assumes internal factory utilization will continue to be in the low to mid-70s range, a level we expect to hold until internal inventory normalizes. Lastly, we will retire the 1,000,000,000 2024 debt trench when it comes due on March 1 with cash on hand. Finally, There is no change to our capital allocation strategy where we will continue to return all excess free cash flow back to our owners. In addition, since the beginning of Q1, 2024, we repurchased $116,000,000 worth of shares under our existing 10b-fifty one program. Overall, We will remain active repurchasing our shares.

Speaker 3

I'd like to now turn it back to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank Our first question comes from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey guys, thanks for letting me

Speaker 5

ask a question. First on the inventory management in general, Kurt, it sounded a lot like done a great job on the channel side, but the OEM side has gotten a little bit into the excess category. Can you just talk about, I guess on the channel side, do you have any plans for that $500,000,000 coming into the plan in 2024, if that's still the number? And on the OEM side, When do you think that normalizes throughout the year?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, thanks, Ross. Good morning. Indeed, I think the color you put on this is what I would concur with. On the channel side, we feel safe and very much Under control relative to the inventory.

Speaker 2

Let me put it that way. For quarter 1, we have No intention to go beyond the 1.6% range. It will hover between 1.5% and 1.6%. I think we had 1.5% the past two quarters. So consider for Q1 maybe a 1.6, but that's not an increase.

Speaker 2

It's more the precision we can hold that. So no intention to increase general inventory really in the Q1. For the rest of the year, Ross, it isn't much different to how we've put this the past couple of quarters. We will only start to replenish when we see sufficient momentum in the market to justify that. So that means there is neither a guarantee that by the end of the year, we hit the 2.5 inventory, which is our long term target, nor will we do any fast or hectic steps here.

Speaker 2

So we will possibly start because I do assume when we come back to this later in the call, We do expect that there is some market recovery in the second half of the year, so that makes it more likely that we will to replenish the channel by then. But again, it's really something which is a function of the market environment. The size of it is indeed the €500,000,000 which we have discussed before. But again, that is not necessarily a part of our considerations for the annual revenue movement. Now the inventory or the excess inventory at direct customers, indeed, I think we started to try and correct that one back in the Q2 of last year.

Speaker 2

I think that was the first time I also talked on the earnings call that we did A few automotive Tier 1 customers where the majority of that is sitting with having excess inventory. And the fact that we knew by them already, Ross, is thanks to our NCNR system. We and we discussed about these NCNR orders, Which by the way in our case are different to the construct which some of our peers have been using. Ours were annual. Annual means tied to the calendar year.

Speaker 2

So to be very explicit, we currently have no more NCNR orders. So All of that was running out at the end of the calendar year 2023. But those NC and R orders in hindsight were very good Because they let customers call us up and say, we see a problem, we see building inventory. And since that Q2 of last year, we've been busy to try and normalize this In a reasonable cadence, which is also good for our financials. And coming back to your question, yes, we think we will still be busy with that Through the middle of this year, mainly and I would say almost exclusively in automotive.

Speaker 2

So that is something which we only have in automotive. By the middle of this year, that should be behind us. And then we should move from under shipping end demand with direct customers in the automotive to shipping to end demand again In the second half.

Speaker 5

Thanks for that color. And I guess as my second question focusing on the auto side, it was helpful to hear About the 6 growth drivers overall, but in automotive, the radar below plan, EV above and S32 above. You just talk about what your expectations are for those growth drivers in fiscal 2024?

Speaker 2

Well, in principle, I would say if there was No excess inventory and we would be in a normal world, Ross. We stick to our 9% to 14% long term growth, Which includes then the set performance of those growth drivers, Which we specified back in the Analyst Day in November 2021. So they are just moving around a little and that's why we transparently gave color for this past year, pending on the speed of inventory control. And I think You might have noticed that I did say that Radar was actually not performing to Target. The reason here is really that Radar has a relatively concentrated customer base.

Speaker 2

It's almost it's just direct customers There the inventory control was much easier to exercise because it's a very specified product range with a very Non fragmented customer base where it was easier to get a handle on the inventory control. So I dare to say inventory control in radar is already completely behind us, which will make 2024 obviously a much better year. So but on the longer term, on the 3 year horizon, Ross, just assume they all come to the targets which we specified back in November 2021.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Vivek Arya with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Thanks for taking my question. Kurt, last quarter you were good enough to kind of give us a little bit of color 1 quarter ahead. And I was hoping you could share your thoughts on how you see Q2 just generically shaping up flat, up, down sequentially. And then when I take your commentary about the full year, I think you mentioned sort of flattish growth overall. That still suggests Kind of double digit growth in the back half.

Speaker 6

So I realize visibility is limited and so forth, but any other market color that you can share that gives you the confidence about that sort of double digit growth in the back half would be very useful.

Speaker 2

So good morning, Vivek. Yes, apparently, I was a good man last time relative to the next quarter. I think you just reiterated the pieces which we gave you, but I'm happy to give you A bit more color around those. So we really see the different parts of our revenue Being dependent on the cycle they are exposed to. So all the consumer oriented businesses and that's the IoT We think we left the trough way behind us in the Q1 of last year.

Speaker 2

And other than some seasonal fluctuations, they will continue to grow throughout the calendar year 2024, which has to do that A large part of that is anyway supplies through the channel. So we are not suffering from excess inventory digestion. So we are pretty positive that that part of the company will grow. At the same time, I reiterate what I said last time, The Comms Intra and other business will decline from a year over year perspective. So 24 revenue for Comms Intra And other will be down versus the calendar year 2023.

Speaker 2

I think we discussed at length the bits and pieces in there why that is. And then you come to the blog of Automotive and Core Industrial, where indeed the there is something between first half and second half, which has to do with the inventory digestion at the direct customers in automotive, which I just discussed with the question of Ross a minute ago, Where we do believe the turning point is somewhere around the middle of the year where that over inventory, which is still sitting there, is being digested. If you put all of these pieces together, Vivek, then obviously, half 2 is going to be bigger than half 1. Obviously, half 1 Of this year, of 2024, is going to be down against the half one of last year. And that puts it somewhere in this Flat plusminus range for the full year indeed.

Speaker 2

So the confidence really comes from the view which we have on the inventory digestion on the Automotive and Core Industrial side. At the end, at the very same time, The continued gradual improvement in the consumer oriented businesses where given our tight channel management, we have no excess inventory. This is really where it comes from.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Kurt. And for my follow-up, your industrial trends are in big Industrial and IoT trends are in big contrast to your peers. So I get what you did, right? You were early to spot it. You were under growing in the first half of last year and now you're doing much, much better now.

Speaker 6

But How long can you maintain such a contrast with your peers, right, who are seeing these kind of 20%, 30%, 40% in their industrial and IoT businesses. Is it not apples to apples comparison? When do you think that there is somewhat of a convergence between what your peers are reporting in terms of their industrial Correction versus the strength that NXP is seeing right now?

Speaker 2

Look, Vivek, I, of course, Don't know and cannot judge what exactly they do. But conceptually, the contrast will be alive as long as they need to digest their over inventory in the channel. That's very simple. We don't have that because we never build it. We actually back in the Q2 of 2022, Mind you, Q2 of 2022, that's almost 2 years ago, we started to control the channel and keep it at a 1.61.5 month level.

Speaker 2

We even with that, we troughed them in the Q1 of 'twenty three. So we even went down from this. And since then, we kept it very steady. In the meantime, some of our peers kept shipping half and they just need to correct this. And that contrast will disappear the moment That over shipment they have done there is actually behind them.

Speaker 2

I mean, maybe another number, Birbig, which puts this in perspective, and I We gave you that transparency very intentionally. Last year, NXP as a company did grow 1% in revenue. I also told you that our pricing last year was up by 8%. So that gives you a feel that we had a Pretty significant volume decline last year from a supply perspective. So plus 1% revenue, plus 8% Price gives you a 7% volume decline, which is clearly under shipping, we think against end demand, but certainly against peers.

Speaker 2

I mean, if you just Take the same numbers from peers then many of them who are now having a bit more of a hard time, they just shipped harder through the first at least the 1st three quarters of last year. So under the curve, in the end, it's going to be the same thing. It's a matter of when did you ship and when do you need to reduce shipments. So that's my answer. I don't think other than that there is a fundamental difference, Vivek.

Speaker 2

So I don't want to claim we have a much better industrial business. I think we just had a more disciplined handle on it earlier.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Kurt.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 1

Stacy, are you there?

Operator

Stacy, your line is open.

Speaker 7

Operator, why don't we go to

Speaker 1

the next caller and we'll circle around with Stacy.

Speaker 2

Hello? I can hear you, Sethi. Good morning.

Speaker 7

Yes. That was I don't know what was going on there. Thanks for taking my questions. Had a question on the IoT trend. So it obviously bottomed in Q1 last year.

Speaker 7

I was wondering if you could parse out the recovery trends between the consumer piece And the core industrial, so we all know consumer is getting a little better. Has the increase of the trust from a year ago been all consumer? Or has the general purpose IoT piece started to recover

Speaker 1

as well? Like what are those trends across those two pieces?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Stacy. That's a fair question because indeed The 2 are trending differently. I'd say the IoT piece, which by the way is about 40% of that segment, Has indeed gradually improved since the trough in the quarter 1 of last calendar year. Gradual means it's getting better and better and better, but it's still below the levels it had before the peak.

Speaker 2

So It's way not there where it used to be, while it is gradually improving. In our case, and I think we revealed that before, A very good portion of that is in China. So think about it as a largely distribution and largely China oriented IoT business. But yes, so the trend starting from the bottom of Q1 last year gradually improving and that's what we continue what we see to continue through the rest of this calendar year. The core industrial part indeed has taken a somewhat different shape.

Speaker 2

Think about it more like automotive, which is now suffering a bit more from over inventory, not much end market weakness. So I would say core Industrial, relatively speaking, is a somewhat less good shape still, which is just phase shifted to the IoT portion. So think about core industrial a bit more similar to what we see in automotive.

Speaker 7

Thank you. My follow-up, I wanted to ask about lead times. Have they normalized to pre COVID levels? And is that part of what's enabling you to keep pricing flat? Do you have just like better control of pricing because you have better control of lead times?

Speaker 7

You've done a lot of competitors that are talking about pricing starting to come down now.

Speaker 2

So first part of the question, Stacy, absolute, yes, lead times are just normal. I mean, forget about supply constraints. We have normal lead times back to the pre COVID times, Which helps a lot also relative to visibility because all of the double ordering and all of the need for NC and RS and all of these things, Just consider them behind us, more back to normal from that perspective. There is no real correlation of that to pricing, Stacy. The pricing, which I quoted to be about flat for this year, From our end, it's mainly a function of the input cost.

Speaker 2

We've been living in that world of sharply rising input cost over the past 3 years. And now it looks more normal. So any view and handle which we have on the input cost for this year is around 0, I would say. And that's also Why we put that forward as the pricing for 2024 and we found acceptance and buy in for that with our customers, Stacy. That's not It's not really correlated with lead times.

Speaker 2

I understand your question if we have more of a commodity portfolio since we don't have that, correlation doesn't really exist.

Speaker 7

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gary Mobley with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. Kurt, you called out some better than expected revenue on the mobile side and you appear to be poised for some Pretty significant year over year growth in mobile in the first half of fiscal year 'twenty four. Is that a function of the Android market being less Bad? Is it largely a function of maybe some traction in ultra wideband? Or is it a function of content gains at your largest mobile customer?

Speaker 2

So Gary, in full transparency, most of all, it's a function of the weak compares of last year. I just have to pull it out. I mean, if you look at our Q1 of last year, it was horrendously low as a function of everything I explained in the last 10 minutes. So very, very clearly, mainly a function of weak compares. However, you mentioned at least one other thing, which is certainly the case.

Speaker 2

We clearly see that the Android inventory digestion is completely behind us. I would almost claim already in Q4, was largely behind us. So in Android, we are shipping to end demand and you could also be somewhat hopeful about the Android market development Going forward. So that is certainly a case. And our premium handset customer is also in, I would say in a decent shape relative to volume developments.

Speaker 2

But that's it. So again, it is very much a function of us trying to get as Quickly as possible to true end demand and not suffering from excess inventory. I mean, that's a good example of where that also helps you then on the other side of the equation quickly come back into growth.

Speaker 8

Thank you for that, Kurt. And Bill, you seem to be calling out 58% gross margin for fiscal year 2024, which is down only 50 basis points from the prior year. And that's quite commendable Considering what's going on in the industry and whatnot, and it seems like you have a lot of gross margin headwinds from utilization mix headwinds and whatnot. Maybe if you can give us some additional color in terms of the offsets, those headwinds and what's Allowing for this gross margin resiliency.

Speaker 3

Sure. Let me just use Q4 as an example in Q1 and then talk to more of those levers, both tailwinds and headwinds. So in Q4, we did slightly better as you know, 20 basis points and really that was driven by that It represented 61% of our sales, up from 57% in Q3. Now in Q1, We're guiding down 70 basis points, primarily driven again by this lower distribution mix and lower slightly lower fall through on the sales. And because we're doing there is we're seasonally adjusting distribution sales.

Speaker 3

So that will be down, but still probably better than a year ago From a mix standpoint, if you remember distribution sales was about 49% in Q1 and I think will be a bit better than that, Which is then offsetting the underutilization. If you recall Q1 from a year ago, we were running in the low 80s and now we're running in the low 70s. So you got some moving parts a year over year compare, but from a quarter over quarter compare, it's really driven by the mix. Now talking about tailwinds and headwinds, you're right. Clearly, if we go below our current utilization levels of the low 70s, that becomes a headwind for us.

Speaker 3

We know that we're managing it to this level. And you can see The last three quarters, we've been running our internal factories, which represent 40% of our internal source wafers. Another obviously headwind is obviously you have lower revenues, you have lower fall through over your fixed cost structure. If we do see lower pricing, again, we're so far we see that we're able to keep the stable and flat from a year over year comparison standpoint, but again, if we do have lower pricing, it's our job to offset that with lower costs and productivity gains. Again, obviously, this is more longer term.

Speaker 3

The delay of any new product introductions could cause an impact from this quarter or that quarter based on timing. But the tailwinds we have again is higher revenues, if you think about over the 30% fixed cost structure we have. So that falls through. If we replenish our channel back to normal levels, again, Kurt talked about that $500,000,000 it's a richer mix and when we decide to do that, that becomes a tailwind. And then utilization, if we improve our 70% utilization internally going back to more something in the mid-80s, that's a tailwind.

Speaker 3

Another one is something that we talked about as we plan to expand our distribution reach and mass market customers. We don't think we're Doing as good as a job like some of our peers. So that's something that we're going to focus on and do better at and reach more customers. And clearly, we're going to continue to on our productivity gains. And most importantly, longer term is to ramp up our new product introductions, which are accretive to the corporate gross margins today.

Speaker 3

So all in all, I think it's how you manage the tailwinds and the headwinds quarter in and quarter out and we're going to do our best to maintain near the high end of the model as what I said at these type of revenue levels. Helpful. Thanks, Bill.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Francois Bovines with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Thank you very much. I have 2 maybe follow-up to the previous question. The first one is on automotive. I mean, you mentioned that You are basically managing the channel and the shipping at the moment with a more clear picture in the second half of the year, if I have to summarize. Can you quantify maybe how much do you under ship the demand maybe in the last two quarters?

Speaker 9

Because when I look at your auto revenues, it was Up 1% year over year. The production was of cars was obviously much higher. I was wondering if you had any intelligence of how much are you you are undershipping the automotive right now, which Basically would go into your way of a soft down cycle, but I was wondering if you have any quantification on that would be very helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Francois. No exact quantification, but I guess a few pointers. It isn't useful in my view to look at 1 individual quarter. But I think now since the full calendar year 2023 is behind us, You can look at the full year where I think our auto business did grow by 9%.

Speaker 2

I also said that the company has increased pricing by 8%. So let's just assume for a minute that in auto, we did also increase price in that order of magnitude, Which basically puts you almost on a 0 supply increase line last year in automotive. So say 0 growth in automotive last year in supply and units. And that goes against a, what I would call, super bullish automotive year last year with, I think in the end, 9% SAAR increase to 90,000,000 units, a rocking increase In electric cars, I think the XEV cars last year were growing by 45% year over year. So I mean all the good arguments which we've discussed so often for a lot of content increase on top of the 9% SAAR.

Speaker 2

And we should 0. I mean that gives you a feel why we have a very strong view that we already significantly undershipped through all of last year. But at the same time, I mean, it's obvious we have overshipped in the time before. It's just that I believe we started very early With taking a handle on that and controlling that over shipment and throttling it back, I think through all of last year, we have under shipped In the distribution side of automotive, which is 40% of the revenue. And I'd say we've take we started to take more stringent in the Q2 of last year to also control the over shipments in the direct side.

Speaker 2

But that's the one which is not completely done yet. So it's very hard to quantify that Francois because you don't know what size of inventory Individual Tier 1 customers want to keep on the long run. And it's also not a it's not a steady target. I mean, we've discussed with them very often. And these targets in terms of how many weeks of semiconductor inventory they want to keep, first of all, they are ranging widely between different Tier 1s.

Speaker 2

I could call the range here between 2 weeks 18 weeks. It's really all over the place. And it also changes over time. As soon as they see Reason to believe that their business is going to grow again, which means the OEM call offs they are getting, then they want to grow their inventory again. So that's why it's a bit of a moving target.

Speaker 2

But I think for us, the synthesis is that we believe by the middle of calendar year 2024, we have that behind us.

Speaker 9

That's great answer. Thank you. And the second follow-up, I mean, is on the pricing. I mean, you said flattish pricing on 2024. And obviously, it seems to be like better than peers.

Speaker 9

And I understand the commodity part and also the input cost. If we look at the input cost, the electricity is coming down. I mean, obviously, from the peak, you have the silicon wafers coming down. You have the You mature knows that the foundry level that is coming under pressure for many Tier 2, Tier 3 foundries. I was just wondering if the input cost is the main tracker of your pricing, how should we think about 2025 or through the year as we see input costs is also coming under pressure, if you see what I mean?

Speaker 2

Look, a couple of things as well. First of all, I'm glad we get well through 2024. I can't get my head around 25. That's a little early to be honest. Now at the same time, I think you put good pieces together relative to input costs, the one which you didn't put up is the fact that the Tier 1 foundries are still a bit tight lipped But it is to cost decreases.

Speaker 2

And the biggest part of our input is Tier 1 foundries, not Tier 2 and Tier 3 foundries Because we need these Tier 1 foundries for our automotive and core industrial business. And there unfortunately, the trends are not Quite as ambitious as you mentioned them. Over time, Francois, I do believe, say, mid to longer term That the industry will return to low single digit ASP erosion year over year. That is what we had in the pre COVID period in an application specific business like ours. And I think it is reasonable to assume that, that is also going to happen in the mid to longer term future.

Speaker 2

However, This year is a transition year because the input is not yet the input cost and the inflationary environment is just not yet at that level As it used to be in the past. And very important, and I know it's probably very clear, but I just want to reiterate it very clearly. This does not mean falling back to the levels which we had pre COVID. What I'm saying is from the levels which we have achieved now, We possibly have then in the mid to longer term future this very low single digit ASP erosion per year, but we absolutely see no scenario that falls to the levels of pre COVID.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Stanley with Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, thanks guys. Just in terms of the things getting a little bit tougher over the last 3 months. Kurt, is there any way to tell how much of this is, I guess, worsening demand versus a little more inventory than we thought? Any which way or the other on either side of that.

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning, Chris. Yes, clearly, first of all, I confirm what you say. It got worse Over the last 90 days or at least our view on what we are exposed to got worse. I would say the end demand in auto has weakened. I mean, the latest S and P data is now almost a percentage point down year on year in terms of SAAR.

Speaker 2

So that's a little less than it was before. The XCV penetration is A little slowing. Again, it is still up, but it is a little slowing. So these are just gradual movements to the less That we just got a better handle now, what is the remaining size of the excess inventory with our Tier 1 automotive customers, Which we are working down through the first half. So I came off path in percentage which one of the 2 is contributing how much.

Speaker 2

But I'd say it is in that, say, combination of automotive core industrial over inventory and at the same time a weakening macro.

Speaker 4

Great. And for my follow-up, I think so Bill talked about disti being 49% of sales in Q1 of last year and then 61% of sales in Q4. Did I hear that right or is that wrong?

Speaker 3

That's correct, Chris.

Speaker 4

So Yes. Okay. So my question is, your sales grew about, I guess, 10% from Q1 to Q4. And so that would mean your sales into disti grew a lot more than that. Why would that happen if the environment like overall at least outside you guys was a little more difficult?

Speaker 3

Basically, it's matching to the sell through.

Speaker 2

Chris, I think the background here is mainly that The exposure to distribution is larger in our Industrial IoT business. And that is the one where we had seen the trough already in the Q1 of last year. So that gradual improvement throughout the quarters I discussed earlier, That shows up more on the distribution side because those are the segments which had that improvement. There in automotive, is only 40%. As I described, we have now the direct customer excess inventory digestion And distribution is a smaller part.

Speaker 2

So I think it is just a reflection of our exposure to the different end market segments.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thanks for all the color guys.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Josh Wabushalter with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hey, guys. Good morning or good afternoon, depending on where you're sitting. Thanks for squeezing me in. In autos, you've

Speaker 2

heard from a few

Speaker 10

in the supply chain that there's a bit of a push pull going on between OEMs and Tier 1s where the OEMs want the Tier 1s to keep carrying more inventory. Tier 1s are trying to manage their working capital and carry less. I'd just be curious, are you seeing that going on? Is that some The Tier 1s wanting to lower their levels, is that playing into what's going on with some of the digestion you're seeing now? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Oh, Jeshua, absolutely. That's a horrendous fight. The and that's why I said earlier, it is really hard to call the final exact landing place for the size of inventory per Tier 1 because it is a matter of their negotiation with their OEM customers. The midterm trend is that every piece of new business they are winning, OEMs are now often enforcing for the new business to hold a certain amount of inventory for specific semiconductor components. So that becomes very explicit.

Speaker 2

But it's only for new business. So think about it as something which will be layering in over the next couple of years as those new design wins are materializing. That's the way how the OEMs want to get a firm handle on the size of inventory at Tier 1s. At the moment, it's still Wild West Because none of this is really contractually anchored because it's old contracts, which didn't have these articulations, which is why it is indeed all over So that makes it also a bit harder to be precise. Thank you for that.

Speaker 2

Sure. I think you have one more, Joshua?

Speaker 10

Yes, that's okay. I was just maybe for Bill, I was going to ask about the policy on repurchases. I know you mentioned it still returned 100% of free cash flow, but have been running a little bit below that the last couple of quarters. Should we expect after you Pay down the debt in March, that repurchases pick up or is it something more tied to the business environment? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, again, our capital allocation, as I stated, hasn't changed. If I just look over the last 3 years, we returned $8,800,000,000 or 100 and 13% over those 3 years. And you're right, the trailing 12 months 77%, current quarter was 72%. And again, We are we set aside some cash as you all know that we're going to retire some of our debt and deleverage the company here and we think that's a good use of our cash.

Speaker 3

And we're going to continue being flexible on our balance sheet and doing all of the above, dividends, buybacks, debt, As well as small M and A, no changes and we're going to continue to do what we do.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Josh. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, I guess that gets us to the end of the call. So thanks everybody for joining the call this morning. Clearly, continues to be a tough environment Where NXP takes any control possible and I dare to say we have started to take that control especially relative to inventory build Externally and inventory management internally, we started to take that control in a very disciplined manner early. In the mid of 2022 for the distribution side and starting in the Q2 of last year on the direct customer side, which we believe allows us to continue to drive a safe landing and soft landing in this tough environment. Mid and longer term, we continue to be fully focused on the automotive and industrial markets to innovate and drive profitable growth.

Speaker 2

Thank you all.

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