Digital Turbine Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 7, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Digital Turbine Reports Fiscal 20 24 Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please also note today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Brian Bartholomew, of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to the Digital Turbine Fiscal Year 2024 Q3 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me today on the call to discuss our results are CEO, Bill Stone and CFO, Barrett Garrison. Before we get started, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that our remarks today will include forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are based on our current assumptions, expectations and beliefs, including projected operating metrics, future products and services, anticipated market demand and other forward looking topics.

Speaker 1

Although we believe that our assumptions are reasonable, they are not guarantees of future performance and some will inevitably prove to be incorrect. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statements. For a discussion of the risk factors that could cause our actual results To differ materially from those contemplated by our forward looking statements, please refer to the documents we filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Also during this call, we will discuss certain non GAAP measures of our performance. Non GAAP measures are not substitutes for GAAP measures.

Speaker 1

Please refer to today's press release important information about the limitations of using non GAAP measures as well as reconciliations of these non GAAP financial results to the most comparable GAAP measures. Now I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Bill Stone.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Brian, and thank you all for joining our call tonight. I'm going to break my remarks into 3 areas. First, I want to summarize our December results. 2nd, I want to describe the current state of our technology migrations and operations and changes we are making to improve our execution. And finally, I want to discuss the progress we're making against the future opportunities, which are very encouraging.

Speaker 2

For the December quarter, we achieved $143,000,000 of revenue, dollars 25,000,000 of EBITDA and $0.15 of non GAAP earnings per share. We finished in line with our outlook expectations for our HEP business, but we're below our expectations for our ODS business. We experienced 3 unique issues in our ODS business late in the quarter that were the difference between coming in below versus above our overall outlook. First, despite our forecast in U. S.

Speaker 2

Device sales to continue facing headwinds year over year, they were even more disappointing than what our conservative expectations were. Secondly, we finalized the migration of our cloud hosting platform late in the quarter. The good news is that this is a major milestone is now complete. However, some elements of our software that were working fine on our prior platform We're not performing to the same on the new platform for a few weeks. These issues have now been fixed.

Speaker 2

And finally, we made some changes to our AI machine learning models for the holidays to drive improved engagement from our customers. The good news is that the engagement happened, but it happened at the expense of advertisers willing to pay more money to be on the platform for the holiday season and less focused on engagement. Combined, these three things were the difference between our results being below versus above our outlook. I'll discuss later in my remarks what we are changing to improve our execution going forward, but we do view all three of these issues as temporary in nature and not structural. From a segment perspective, our AGP or Ad Tech business showed sequential growth driven by improved ECPM rates from our advertisers despite our sunsetting of our legacy AdColony Exchange and now we are fully operational on our consolidated DT exchange.

Speaker 2

We are also now seeing growth from our new features such as SDK bidding contributing more material revenues to our business. Bigger picture, we are seeing demand and advertisers return, which is much improved from 12 months ago. In particular, our brand business experienced more than 25% sequential growth despite one of our largest brand advertisers having their own temporary internal issues that impacted their spend on ours and others networks. I'll provide more color later in my remarks how we will continue to grow and scale our AGP business. The ODS business declined by 2% in the quarter, driven by short term issues described above.

Speaker 2

With 1 U. S. Carrier exception that was only marginally up, our U. S. Operators had decline in devices from the prior quarter, which is unusual given it was the holiday selling season.

Speaker 2

We have heard some recent encouraging reports from chipset suppliers On future device volumes, which tend to be lead indicators for future demand, so we are hopeful for better trends into the future. But for now, it is a major headwind and it is reflected in our guidance for the March quarter. In addition to this, we are working to expand our device pipeline. I'm pleased to announce that we are expanding our relationship with Motorola with more devices in more countries and also our relationship with 1 store in Korea that will add nearly 40,000,000 devices with Single Tap capability. Our pipeline remains robust and we look forward to sharing more device supply opportunities into the future.

Speaker 2

Improving revenue per device outside of the United States to mirror where we are seeing the device growth is a top priority for us. We also made progress with different advertisers on Single Tap in the quarter as we continue to expand with new contracts and new advertisers. We are not yet live with our large social media partner pilot. It is not any operational or technical issue preventing us from launch, but a final administrative issue that is being worked on their side. The relationship with that party continues to be positive and becoming more strategic, But we understand the frustration we are all feeling on translating this enthusiasm into revenue.

Speaker 2

I want to spend a few moments describing the changes we're making to improve our short term execution that will drive future growth. Our issue is unique and it is neither the what or the why. We are confident that we are working on the correct items as we can demonstrate product market fit also how to make money on those things we are prioritizing. We also have a very clear vision on the why we are here. Digital Turbine can be a major disruptive force in the alternative app distribution with our unique assets and subject matter expertise.

Speaker 2

Most companies facing headwinds suffer from one of those two issues. We are unique as those are not our issues. Rather, we have 2 things we need to do to improve our execution, which will drive future growth and cash flow. The first is the material we are making on the modernization of our tech stack, which impacts short term results and the second is how we are working to execute. We need to demonstrate the ability on how we ramp new things into the market at scale to replace the exited businesses and the headwinds described earlier in my remarks.

Speaker 2

Those require new systems, new processes and new leadership models. On the tech stack modernization, we have approximately 40% of our product and tech organization working on building for the future versus working on short term non strategic revenues. We're seeing early positive results from these modernization activities with things like our exchange consolidation, Our hosting migrations, new ERP systems and so on now live in the market, but we still have much work to do as we are implementing a lighter, more modular version of Ignite, a new demand side platform or DSP, new back end tools that will scale our AI machine learning efforts on the platform and so on. All of this work is mission critical to build a long term company that will scale to all of our expectations and we have made a conscious decision to prioritize this work. I want to be clear that it does come at the expense of a few items that could drive short term revenue and EBITDA.

Speaker 2

But for long term investors, want to emphasize the importance of finishing the swing on these things and you will see continued progress over the upcoming quarters as we are very close to completing these activities that have been in the works now in some cases for many years. In addition to the system level work, We're also changing our leadership model, our organizational structure, making some leadership changes, changing our internal processes for decision making And finally, improving our focus on the things that are going to drive short and long term growth. And as we change these things, we are confident that the revenue and flow will follow as we know we have demand for our offerings in the marketplace. We are laser focused on these changes, which are being implemented in the current quarter And these how things are working to change the what we're willing to be for the catalyst of returning digital turbine to a growth company. And what makes all of this worth it is the bright future.

Speaker 2

We are uniquely positioned with our on device technology, including our first party data, our AI machine learning tools and Single Tap plus our extensive publisher relationships and our operator and OEM relationships. We've launched our 1st alternative app distribution products, which we brand as DT Hub with 5 operators here in the United States. We are leveraging our Aptoide investment and are generating revenue today. And as a reminder, our equity investment in Aptoide is now approximately 20%. We've also taken a minority investment in Flexion so we can improve our partnership building great alternative app experiences as Flexion is a leading porting source for many alternative apps stores such as Amazon, Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi and many others.

Speaker 2

And finally, many of you may have seen our press release from yesterday that we are also taking an equity stake in OneStore. OneStore is the largest alternative app store in Korea and for context for investors not familiar with them, They generate more revenue than Apple does in Korea for the Apple App Store. We are beginning our relationship with OneStore by enabling Single Tap on all of their and this has 3 benefits. 1 is it will allow us to leverage our DSP to deliver friction free app downloads of alternative app versions to Korean customers. Secondly, it's a way for us to expand scale of developed market device supply versus being constrained with the issues I mentioned here in the United States.

Speaker 2

And finally, we'll look to enhance our partnership with 1 store into the future outside of Korea And combined with our Aptoid and Flexion relationships, we have the building blocks to be a dominant force in the alternative app market. And as a reminder for investors, the Digital Markets Act or DMA will be launching in early March in the EU and we would encourage investors to pay close attention to the launch and the opportunities that it will present. I also want to emphasize that the alternative app strategy is not just about new revenues, but perhaps more importantly will also be a catalyst to return our current business to growth. Today, approximately 50% of our business is driven by user acquisition and 50% driven by in app advertising. Our app providers want to find ways to acquire more users at lower cost with those alternative users and we believe that this will open up new app providers to leverage our ad tech stack as part of the strategy, thereby driving more AGP or Ad Tech revenue growth.

Speaker 2

We are live today running both app user acquisition campaigns and in app advertising leveraging our technologies into our current results. In other words, improving our present revenues and cash flows are both closely linked to the future strategy. To close out my prepared remarks, our future continues to be very exciting, but we need to improve our short term execution and return our business to growth. We have many specific growth drivers from devices, products, media partners and cost optimization activities in flight that will accomplish that this year. Those things are the things that are going to return DTE to a growth company in the short term while we continue to pursue our very bright longer term vision.

Speaker 2

And with that, that will conclude my prepared remarks and I'll turn it over to Barrett to take you through the numbers.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Bill, and good afternoon, everyone. Total revenue of $142,600,000 in the quarter was flat sequentially and down 12% year on year. Within our on device solutions or ODS segment, revenues of $94,300,000 were down 2% to prior year December quarter. These results were below our expectations we provided on our November earnings call largely due to further softening in U. S.

Speaker 3

Carrier device volumes during the holiday season even against our conservative outlook, combined with the temporary execution issues Bill referenced stemming from certain platform integration efforts. These headwinds were partially by continued strength from improved U. S. Revenue per device growth year on year. Our content media revenues were slightly up sequentially in the quarter.

Speaker 3

And while this part of our business has experienced headwinds from the prepaid content media from a year on year comparison, This headwind was fully lapped in the December quarter. We're encouraged by both the developments of our new partnership to Bill shared and our robust pipeline, providing the opportunity to leverage our existing device footprint and grow revenues on new supply, particularly outside the U. S. In our app growth platform or AGP business, Q3 revenues of $49,200,000 which performed in line with our guidance expectations grew 6.5% sequentially and declined 27% over prior year. We saw improving signs of spend levels particularly within brand evidenced by greater than 25% sequential revenue increases.

Speaker 3

While the overall decline in AGP year on year continues to be impacted in the short term by the consolidation and exiting of certain legacy business lines that we have discussed previously, we're pleased that as of the beginning of this calendar year, the revenue lines have been integrated and fully operational onto our consolidated DT exchange. I'd reiterate Bill's earlier comment that despite the near term headwinds, we're by the platform consolidations we're making to bring the businesses together and expect these actions to have a positive return on our future growth. Our consolidated gross margin was 45% in Q3, which was down 180 basis points sequentially from Q2 and compares to 50% from Q3 in the prior year. Sequentially margins were influenced by modest ODS product mix shifts where we experienced an increase in the mix of certain lower margin products. Last year's Q3 results also include the benefit of a contractual revenue share adjustment with an ODS partner, not repeated in this quarter.

Speaker 3

Within AGB, we saw strength year on year and expanding margins of 500 basis points from improvement in overall brand margins and favorable product mix within the segment. As a reminder, while gross margin rates can fluctuate from quarter to quarter, We generally anticipate long term margin expansion as we continue to execute on our growth strategies. We remain disciplined with expenses and cash operating expenses were $38,800,000 in Q3, a reduction of 6% from prior year and represented 27% of revenues in the quarter. In the period, we incurred lower than normal performance compensation expenses And total GAAP operating expenses were $72,900,000 which were up 4% compared to the prior year, driven primarily by business transformation costs that we've discussed previously, linked to the initiatives focused on integrating the technology platforms and back office systems across our assets. While the recent periods have incurred increased costs due to the completion of these efforts and new growth initiatives, we both the efficiencies and growth to begin to be reflected in our results throughout fiscal 2025 and beyond.

Speaker 3

During this phase, we remain highly focused on operating efficiency and are encouraged by the savings we're realizing from these platform consolidations. Turning to profitability, our adjusted EBITDA of $25,400,000 in the quarter declined $2,200,000 sequentially It was down from $40,000,000 in the prior year, driven primarily from lower revenues and partially offset by a reduction in cash OpEx. Our EBITDA margin of 18% compared sequentially to 19% in the September quarter. Given the inherent operating leverage in our business model, we expect The active focus on expense measures and integration efforts we are taking will strengthen the platform as we return to growth and enable a greater portion of those dollars fall to the bottom line. In the quarter, we achieved non GAAP adjusted net income of 15,700,000 or $0.15 per share as compared to $30,000,000 or $0.29 per share in the Q3 of last year.

Speaker 3

As compared to prior year, we incurred greater interest expense driven by rising rates and partially offset by lower outstanding debt balance. Our GAAP net loss was $14,100,000 or a negative 0.14 dollars per share based on 103 3,000,000 diluted shares outstanding compared to prior year net income of $4,100,000 or $0.04 per share. $14,100,000 in free cash flows generated for the quarter enabled us to exit Q3 with $49,000,000 in cash after paying down an additional $10,000,000 in debt using free cash flow from operations to further deleverage our debt position. Our debt balance ended the quarter at $376,000,000 drawn on our revolving credit facility. Also in Support of the key growth initiatives we've discussed specifically around the pursuit of our alternative app store, strategic opportunity and realizing the benefits From consolidating and modernizing our tech platforms, we recently amended our credit facility to provide additional and to align our capital requirements with the overall business needs.

Speaker 3

With these enhancements, we are confident in our ability to execute on our growth plans and we continue to focus on balancing growth opportunities and cash flows to optimize financial performance and long term enterprise value. Before covering our outlook, I wanted to provide some visibility into our guidance assumptions. Within our revenue guidance, the headwinds associated with volume device declines to continue into Q4, principally on U. S. Operators.

Speaker 3

While we believe these we believe future devices trends should improve, we've seen accelerating declines early in the March quarter and at this time have limited visibility to the performance of the recent Samsung flagship device launch and therefore we have further tempered our ODS volume expectations. We are optimistic about the future revenue growth from new partners and the successful execution against our pipeline in FY 2025. However, we do not expect material new revenues from these partner launches in our March quarter. I'd also point out as a reminder that In addition to the typical historical seasonal sequential impact experienced in Q4, With the exchange platform migration now completed, there will be approximately a $4,000,000 in sequential revenue migration headwind from the completed exchange platform consolidation in Q4. And as we've highlighted previously, we're encouraged by the future benefits of this integration.

Speaker 3

Now let me turn to our outlook. We currently expect revenue for full year fiscal 2024 to be between $547,000,000 5 $53,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA to be between $90,000,000 $94,000,000 and non GAAP adjusted net income per diluted share to be between $0.50 $0.54 based on approximately 104,000,000 diluted shares outstanding and an effective tax rate of 25 With that, let me hand it back to the operator to open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the question and answer session. And our first question today comes from Darren Aftahi from ROTH MKM. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey guys, thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple if I may. I know the first one may not be an easy one to answer, but it seems like the device headwind is pretty persistent. I'm just kind of curious, Are there any kind of green shoots you're seeing in the market? I know, Barrett, you've made some comments about accelerated declines in the U.

Speaker 4

S, but Any kind of sense for when this kind of reverse itself? 2, Bill, your comments about the tech stack, I'm just kind of curious When are we going to be fully complete with implementation of that? And then just lastly on the open app store initiatives and some of the stuff you're doing and investing in, When do you think that's going to start to have an impact on your P and L in a more material way? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Daryl. I'll jump in on those and Barrett can provide any color. On the device headwinds, yes, here in the United States, we saw double digit year over year declines with our U. S.

Speaker 2

Partners, which was something that we weren't expecting that precipitous of a decline even though we had forecasted 1. That continues to be an issue for us. And as Barrett referenced in his comments, January was off to a slow start, which reflects some of the things you saw in our outlook. The first weekend was encouraging for the S24, although weekend does not make a trend, we'll see, but we want to make sure that we're being Extra cautious regarding that. Based on some of the comments we've heard from chipset suppliers, it sounds like those Device supplies will get better as the year goes on.

Speaker 2

Also as we start seeing anniversarying out of 3 year anniversaries of Lease contracts here in the United States on both Apple and Android devices from the U. S. Operators, I think will also be helpful. And then The thing for us is rather than get focused on those uncontrollables, what can we control? Well, we can control getting more devices in places like Korea that I mentioned.

Speaker 2

We can also expand our relationships with some of our other partners. We can take advantage of a pretty attractive competitive environment right now with bringing on new device supply. So we're really focused on doing that right now versus being relying upon some of the Operators here in the United States. On the second question regarding the tech stack, it's going to be a rolling. So every quarter you're going

Operator

to see

Speaker 2

improvements My expectation is, is it over the next 12 months that will be done. But you're going to see material improvements in the next quarter, we get on the call and in the following quarter and the following quarter and so on. It's a super high priority for us because In order to get to the business that we all want to get to a real scalable business, we've got to create a lighter, more modular tech be able to take advantage of all the data science and learnings on that, and those things are in flight. And I'm pleased that we're making good progress. The issue is it's just right now it's cannibalizing some very, very short term issues where we could perhaps have some improved revenues, but it's absolutely not the right thing to do to just get too focused on the short term at the expense of where we want to go with the business.

Speaker 2

And then finally on the App Store P and L, It is already in our business. We're already seeing rough let's call it roughly a 7 figure run rate of revenues from the alternative app store business. I mentioned in my remarks that We're running now campaigns through our pipes in terms of on the ad tech side as well as the in app purchasing side and the user acquisition So this is not academic. It is early days. As we get into 2024, I think you're going to see it to be a more material growth driver and begin building each quarter for us.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Our next question comes from Omar DeSouki from Bank of America. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 5

Hi guys. Thank you for taking my question. I was intrigued by your partnership and your investment

Speaker 6

in 1 store. And I

Speaker 5

was hoping that you could talk about the economics of the deal. For example, what's the fee structure like, price per install, revenue share, things like that? And then secondly, what part of the consumer journey are you going to be involved in with regards to, I guess Korean customers? Is it just going to be the app install or the in app ads or potentially the in app purchases as well?

Speaker 2

Yes, sure, Omar. Yes, so we're viewing our relationship with 1 store. This is really phase 1 of something that we're planning to do something bigger with those guys as we get into future and I think that as the Digital Markets Act becomes live over the next 30 days or We're looking forward to really collaborating with them in the EU with the opening up of the Google Play Store and an applesau there. So I'd kind of stay tuned for something more strategic, more tactically in Korea. We've got to really do 3 things.

Speaker 2

We've got to number 1, we've got to show that we can improve our diaspora. And so as I just answered on the prior question from Darren and this helps us get our tech on about 40,000,000 devices in Korea Immediately, we can do that kind of as one fell swoop. Number 2 is we can drive user acquisition now with Single Tap, So we can be able to acquire more users into the OneStore store with those alternative apps, leveraging our DSP and our single tap capabilities and a friction free way for Korean customers. And then number 3, we can work with the local app publishers in Korea and then get our own in app Advertising tech stack onto those, whether those are games or other types of applications and now it provides a new revenue stream for us on our AGP side. Those are really the things that we're focused on.

Speaker 2

I am not obviously going to disclose any specific terms of how we're working the revenue with 1 store other than to say that I think it's a

Speaker 5

good win win partnership for both sides. And could I just ask as well, How should we think about the strategic value of these deals kind of coming together, right? You have Aptoed, you have OneStore. How do we think about the synergies and the strategic value across regions and with multiple assets now?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think what's important for investors is if you believe that the alternative app store space is going to grow and We're uniquely positioned in partnering with the companies that to bring the capabilities because in order to enable this, there's a lot of things behind the scenes that have to happen, whether that's port in the apps into the alternative versions, managing the payments, doing it in a friction free way with customers, having the publisher relationships to do multi variance. I can go on and on about all the things. But anybody that wants to do that, whether it's us direct, or whether it's with other mega cap tech companies that have ambitions to go do this, there's a lot of those and electricity things that have to happen that make us super uniquely positioned to go out and help enable that. So now having these relationships with these companies Altogether is something that I think is going to make it easier for a one stop shop for any app publisher to come to what we're doing to be able to solve the single biggest issue they have in their P and L, which is the egregious 30% tax that is getting paid to the 2 that are running the duopoly today.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. I appreciate the explanation. Very clear. Thank you.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Dan Day from B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 7

Yes, guys. Thanks for taking the question. So, Bill, in the prepared remarks, you talked about changes in leadership and new work structure. Just it would be great if you could elaborate on that. Would you be planning to bring in totally new people to run certain business lines, just sort of switching around positions or reports?

Speaker 7

Should we get to get a sense of what you're looking to accomplish with those changes?

Speaker 2

Yes, absolutely. I think the biggest issue we need to improve our execution is just getting alignment around the organization. So we need to make faster decisions. We need to have clear accountability in what we're driving right now. So one of the things we're going to be doing is moving our business into a GM model, where we'll be able to have clear accountability to make results and drive the short term profit and loss for different business lines each quarter.

Speaker 2

So we're making leadership changes to accomplish that. But this is really about us just getting better focus with our customers and better alignment internally between our different functions. And so we've got to change what we're doing and done a nice job assembling the companies, the legacy companies we've acquired and now have standardized a lot of things of how we've worked versus The legacy DT way versus the AdColony way versus the fiber way and so on. So now we're at a point in that where we can take that standardization and now decentralized that standardization out that's closer to customers and have clear accountability internally to who's making decisions. So what we're doing is really aligned around that.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. Thanks. And then just for me, you've consistently said that U. S. RPD has sit around over $5 for the last few quarters.

Speaker 7

Has that held pretty steady even if devices have been not softer than you thought?

Speaker 2

Yes, device RPDs have been pretty consistent. They were marginally down in the December quarter from the September quarter and that was 100% driven by those 2 execution issues I mentioned earlier in my remarks. If you take out those 2 issues, it would have accreted again.

Speaker 7

All right, great. Thanks for taking the question guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks,

Operator

Our next question comes from Anthony Stoss from Craig Hallum. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 6

Bill, I just wanted to follow-up on your comment about why The Single Tap trial wasn't live. You talked about administrative issues. Can you give us a little bit more color on that when you expect that to be resolved? And then I had a couple of follow ups.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure, Tony. Yes, as we know, we've all been impatiently waiting for us to go live and we'd work through the kind of final tech and ops issues, they may be confident to talk about it. There's a final administrative decision that the partner wants to make with some other considerations that they're looking at bigger picture and they're going through that internal discussion right now. So as soon as that discussion is done, then I expect us to go live with the pilot. I don't have a timeline at least given our past year that I want to commit to on the call today.

Speaker 2

But I would just Consider it to say it's important for both sides to work through that.

Speaker 6

Got it. And then maybe, this is probably more for Barrett. For your March guide, the down sequential revenues, can you break out how much of the decline was from ODS or your expectations versus AGP? Are they both Down equally or is one worse than the other?

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, Tony. Yes, here's what I would say. We obviously don't guide by segment. But I would say Our seasonality is that if you look back at our seasonality for our AGP business, it's relatively constant.

Speaker 3

We even we had a little bit of headwind I mentioned on as we completed the consolidation of the exchange. The real factor that on the changes is kind of an accelerating decline on the Q4 U. S. Devices that we've contemplated in our guidance.

Speaker 6

Got you. And Bill back to you. I was just curious if you could talk about what you're seeing in the competitive environment if OneSource is having issues or not Just what you expect and then I had one last question after that.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think in the competitive environment, obviously there's been a lot of announced changes out there in the market for one of our competitors. So we're looking at that as an opportunity for our business, as we talked about the softness in U. S. Device supply.

Speaker 2

And while we expect that to rebound by some of the things I was talking about with chipset suppliers and flagship devices and all that, We also take matters in our own hands. And so, we're viewing some of those changes happen in the macro environment with some of the competitors as a positive for us. And there's a lot of encouraging things going on in the pipeline right now.

Speaker 6

Got you. And then hopefully you could answer this or give Everybody says it's been a frustrating stock for some time, numbers keep going down. When you look over the next 12 months, so fiscal 2025, would you expect at least revenue growth in 2025 over 2024?

Speaker 3

Tony, your question around run rate growth?

Speaker 6

No. Just Fiscal year 2025 revenues your next call it June through the next March quarter, do you expect growth? Given everything that's going on in the tech stack and the issues that that's created?

Speaker 3

Yes. All the things we're working towards, all the things we have on in our planning and execution that we talked about are to drive growth next year. And that would be the expectation.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Tony.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be ending today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to our CEO, Bill Stone, for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, everyone, for joining the call tonight. Look forward to reporting on our progress against all the points we made on the call tonight and we'll talk to you again on our fiscal 2024 Q4 call in a few months. Thanks and have a great night.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's conference call. We thank you for attending today's presentation.

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