Mueller Water Products Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 9, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Whit Kincaid. Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on Muir Water Products First Quarter Conference Call. Yesterday afternoon, we issued our press release reporting results of operations for the quarter ended December 31, 2023. A copy of the press release is available on our website, muellerwaterproducts.com. I am joined this morning by Marty Zaktis, our Chief Executive Officer and Steve Hinrichs, our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Legal Officer.

Speaker 1

Following our prepared remarks, we will address questions related to the information covered on the call. This morning's call is being recorded and webcast live on the Internet. We have also posted slides on our website to accompany today's discussion. They also address forward looking statements and our non GAAP disclosure requirements. At this time, please refer to Slide 2.

Speaker 1

This slide identifies non GAAP financial measures referenced in our press release, on our slides and on this call. It discloses the reasons why we believe that these measures provide useful information to investors. Reconciliations between non GAAP and GAAP financial measures are included in the supplemental information within our press release and on our website. Slide 3 addresses forward looking statements made on this call. This slide includes cautionary information identifying important factors that could cause Actual results to differ materially from those included in forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

Please review slides 23 in their entirety. During this call, all references to a specific year or quarter, unless specified otherwise, refer to our fiscal year, which ends the 30th September. A replay of this morning's call will be available for 30 days at 1-eight eighty eight-five sixty six-four eleven. The archived webcast and corresponding slides will be available for at least 90 days on the Investor Relations section of our website. I'll now turn the call over to Martie.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Whit. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our earnings call today. I'll start with a brief overview of our Q1 performance. We delivered a solid start to the year as we expanded margins versus the prior year quarter despite the expected decrease in net sales.

Speaker 2

1st quarter net sales, which exceeded the high end of our previously announced expectations, were down year over year as we lapped strong sales in the prior year, which benefited from elevated backlogs mainly for iron gate valves and hydrants. Additionally, we believe that Channel and customer inventory levels were largely normalized by the end of our Q1. Our municipal end market remains resilient And the new residential construction end market appears to be stabilizing relative to a challenging 2023. Our operating and corporate teams worked tirelessly to recover from the cybersecurity incident announced in October 2023. We believe that there was a small impact to net sales, mainly associated with the timing of shipments for some specialty valve products.

Speaker 2

Our first quarter results have been adjusted for the costs we incurred relating to the incidents. Going forward, we have made and expect to make further investments to strengthen our cybersecurity resources and processes, which are reflected in our annual SG and A guidance. I am grateful to our teams who worked tirelessly to support our customers and helped quickly return our business to normal operations. I am also grateful to our customers and vendors who likewise supported us during the aftermath of the incident. Our ability to expand gross margins despite lower volumes and the challenges with the cybersecurity incident reflects our improved execution and agility.

Speaker 2

The team's focus on customer service And driving operational and supply chain efficiencies led to a 4 10 basis point improvement in gross margin compared with the prior year. During the Q1, we benefited from labor and material efficiencies along with lower freight costs. We also benefited from price realization, which once again more than offset inflationary pressures. We generated strong operating cash flow in our Q1, reflecting our improved execution and some benefit from the timing of payables resulting from delays caused by the cybersecurity incident. Our initial fiscal 2024 adjusted EBITDA guidance reflects higher margins despite a forecasted decrease in net sales versus the prior year.

Speaker 2

Our improving operational and commercial performance leads to our expectation that our consolidated gross margins will improve relative to the prior year, even though we face lower volumes resulting from lapping the elevated short cycle backlog mainly for Irongate Valves and Hydrants. We expect gross margin to continue to benefit from operational and supply chain efficiencies, which will help offset the headwinds from expected lower volumes. With price increases recently announced for the majority of our iron, specialty and gas products, we anticipate The price realization will continue to more than cover ongoing inflationary pressures, including higher labor rates. Our teams remain focused on delivering the benefits from our strategic capital investments in specialty and large gate valves and service brass products. These products are poised to benefit from the increased federal infrastructure funding beyond fiscal 2024.

Speaker 2

I am proud of our Brass Foundry operations teams as they continue to sequentially improve operations in the new foundry, which utilizes state of the art equipment and a new sustainable lead free alloy. We continue to ramp up volumes at our new brass foundry As we look to return to normalized lead times for all of our service brass products, we continue to target to have it running full steam by the end of calendar 2024. The external environment remains uncertain, especially considering the ongoing Israel Hamas war. As a reminder, we have operations in Israel through our Krausz repair products business, which accounts for less than 10% of our consolidated sales. This did not have a material impact on our first results due to our strategic level of finished goods inventory for our Krausz repair products.

Speaker 2

However, we expect to see higher manufacturing and freight costs resulting from the war starting in our Q2. We have made incremental operational investments at Krausz to help ensure we meet customer demand. These include labor and supply chain investments to return to normalized production levels. These costs will be a headwind to our margins in fiscal 2024 as production levels ramp up. Our team in Israel has done a remarkable job adapting to the impacts of the war and we will continue to support them in our business as the situation evolves.

Speaker 2

Overall, I am very pleased with our start to the year, especially considering the headwinds our teams faced during the quarter. We are on track to improve our gross margin for a 2nd consecutive year despite expected lower overall volumes. Our performance is a testament to the operational investments and improvements we've made over the past year as we look to deliver more consistent execution and further strengthen our customer service to drive future sales and margin growth. With that, I will turn it over to Steve.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Marty, and good morning, everyone. For the quarter, our consolidated net sales were $256,400,000 a decrease of 18.6% compared with the prior year. Although we exceeded our top line guidance, net sales primarily decreased due to lower volumes at both water flow solutions and water management solutions, which were partially offset by higher pricing across most product lines. As a reminder, our IronGate valve and hydrant sales in the prior year quarter benefited from serving an elevated backlog. The backlog at quarter end for these products was down more than 80% versus the prior year.

Speaker 3

In the first quarter, Gross profit of $86,300,000 decreased 7.4% compared with the prior year. Gross margin of 33.7% increased 4 10 basis points compared with the prior year and reflects our highest quarterly gross margin in over 2 years. Benefits from higher pricing and improved manufacturing performance more than offset lower volumes. This includes improved labor, material and freight efficiencies. For the quarter, total SG and A expenses of $56,900,000 were $6,000,000 lower than the prior year.

Speaker 3

Compared with the prior year, the decrease was primarily driven by lower personnel related and incentive costs and reduced third party fees, partially offset by inflationary pressures and unfavorable foreign exchange expense. Operating income of $22,800,000 decreased 32.9% in the quarter compared with the prior year. Operating income includes strategic reorganization and other charges of $6,600,000 in the quarter, which have been excluded from adjusted results. This includes approximately $1,500,000 of non recurring expenses associated with the cybersecurity incidents, which Marty referenced earlier. This amount includes the expected benefit of insurance recoveries.

Speaker 3

Turning now to our consolidated non GAAP results for the quarter. Adjusted operating income of $29,400,000 decreased 3% compared with the prior year. The benefits from higher pricing, favorable manufacturing performance and lower SG and A expenses were more than by the decrease in volumes. Our adjusted operating margin improved 190 basis points to 11.5% compared with the prior year, Despite the lower volumes, adjusted EBITDA of $44,800,000 increased 1.4% in the quarter. Despite the expected lower volumes, our adjusted EBITDA margin improved 3.50 basis points to 17.5%.

Speaker 3

For the last 12 months, adjusted EBITDA was $202,700,000 or 16.7 percent of net sales, a 190 basis point improvement compared with the prior 12 month period. Net interest expense $400,000 to $3,300,000 compared with the prior year, primarily as a result of higher interest income. For the quarter, our effective tax rate was 15.4% as compared with 23.5% for the prior year. The lower income tax rate in the quarter was primarily due to a $1,600,000 income tax benefit associated with the expiration of an uncertain tax position that expired on December 31, 2023. This tax benefit was offset by the release of a $1,600,000 indemnification receivable in other expense.

Speaker 3

For the quarter, adjusted net income per diluted share of $0.13 was flat compared with the prior year. Turning now to quarterly segment performance, starting with Water Flow Solutions. Net sales of $141,300,000 decreased 14.7% compared with the prior year. Lower volumes, mainly for Iron Gate and Specialty Valves were partially offset by higher pricing across most of the segment's product lines. Net sales for Iron Gate Valves were down double digits compared with the prior year, primarily due to normalized lead times.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, iron gate valve sales in the prior year quarter had benefited from serving an elevated backlog. Specialty valves were also down double digits compared with the prior year, primarily due to production challenges, which were mainly caused by disruptions and delays related to the cybersecurity incident. Despite lower net sales, adjusted operating income of $27,400,000 increased 13.2% in the quarter. The benefits from higher pricing, favorable manufacturing performance and lower SG and A expenses more than offset lower volumes. Adjusted EBITDA of $36,700,000 increased 15% and adjusted EBITDA margin also improved 6 70 basis points to 26%.

Speaker 3

Turning to quarterly results for Water Management Solutions. Net sales of $115,100,000 decreased 22.9% compared with the prior year. Lower volumes, mainly in hydrants and water applications, were partially offset by higher pricing across most of the segment's product lines. Net sales for hydrants were down double digits compared with the prior year, primarily due to normalized lead times, which as a reminder had benefited from serving an elevated backlog in the prior year quarter. Adjusted operating income of $15,100,000 decreased 23% in the quarter.

Speaker 3

Benefits from higher pricing, Favorable manufacturing performance and lower SG and A expenses were more than offset by the lower volumes. Adjusted EBITDA of $22,100,000 decreased 16.9%. However, adjusted EBITDA margin improved 140 basis points to 19.2%. Moving on to cash flow. Net cash provided by operating activities for the quarter was $67,900,000 an increase of $74,400,000 compared with the prior year.

Speaker 3

This was primarily due to improvements in working capital compared with the prior year. This included a smaller increase in inventories, higher receivables collections and an increase in payables, largely related to delays caused by the cybersecurity incident. We expect the benefits from the increase in payables to reverse in the 2nd quarter as those processes have normalized. During the quarter, we invested $5,700,000 in capital expenditures, which is $4,200,000 lower than the prior year quarter. The decrease was primarily due to the timing of spending on our new brass foundry in the prior year and some short term delays related to the cybersecurity incident.

Speaker 3

Our free cash flow for the quarter increased $78,600,000 to $62,200,000 compared with the prior year, driven by higher cash from operations and lower capital spending. At the end of the Q1, our total debt outstanding was $447,400,000 We had cash and cash equivalents of $216,700,000 Our net debt leverage ratio was 1.1 times at quarter end. As a reminder, we currently have no debt financing maturities before June 2029. We did not have any borrowings under our ABL agreement at quarter end, nor did we borrow any amounts under our ABL during the quarter. I will now review our outlook for fiscal 2024.

Speaker 3

We are slightly improving our expectations for consolidated net sales. We now anticipate net sales to decrease between 2% 6% in fiscal 2024 as compared with the prior year. This takes into account our Q1 performance and recent pricing actions. As a reminder, we still expect year over year volume headwinds related to lapping the elevated short cycle backlog, mainly for Irongate valves and hydrants, which decreased by nearly 90% in fiscal 2023. In addition to updating our net sales growth expectations, We are now providing initial guidance for fiscal 2024 adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker 3

Despite lower forecasted volumes, we anticipate that our adjusted EBITDA will increase between 3% 7% compared with the prior year. Additionally, we expect our free cash flow as a percentage of net income to be more than 65% for fiscal 2024 as compared with 62.7% in fiscal 2023. With that, I'll turn it back to Marty for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Steve. I want to highlight a few key items before opening it up for Q and A. Mueller plays a critical role in helping our customers deliver clean, safe drinking water to 100 of millions of people. We wouldn't be where we are today without our dedicated team members, customers and suppliers. Despite the external challenges we have faced, We remain focused on delivering value to our customers, while also driving further efficiencies in our operations and supply chain.

Speaker 2

We continue to ramp up the new brass foundry and are committed to meeting our goal of having it running full steam by the end of calendar 2024. Mueller has been a trusted partner for water utilities for over a century. Our broad portfolio of products and solutions allows us to play a critical role in addressing the challenges and opportunities facing the water infrastructure industry. The municipal water end market is poised to benefit from increased attention and investment towards addressing the aging water infrastructure. Our products, solutions and large capital projects position us to benefit from the infrastructure bill once funds begin to flow.

Speaker 2

With a solid start to the year, we are at an inflection point with our strategic investments and operational improvements that will expand margins. I am confident that the actions we are taking to execute our strategy will position us to deliver long term sustainable organic growth and margin improvements. That concludes my comments. Operator, please open this call for questions.

Operator

Our first question comes from Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

That's a strong start to your fiscal year. Marty, you mentioned the new foundry progressing nicely. I'd love to get some more details there, The certification process, how many shifts are you running now and the expectation through the year? And what does that mean for outsourcing that you had to do while this ramp up was happening? So give us a sense there.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So overall, I think in terms of looking at where we are with respect to the new brass foundry, we are pleased with the continued ramp up that we were seeing there. I think importantly, I want to hit the point that we have we're continuing to run the old foundry. And just as a quick reminder, part of the reason for that is we want to continue to bring down the backlog that we have with the service brass products that we have and we continue to meet the customer demand. With respect to the new foundry, we are continuing to make improvements with the production level.

Speaker 2

We do have a couple of shifts that are running with that in that facility right now. We have some additional pouring equipment, part of the capital expenditures that we will still need to complete this year as well. And as we said, we expect to have it fully ramped up by the end of our calendar 2024. The new foundry will have higher capacity than the old foundry as well as greater efficiencies than our old with respect to our old foundry. We'll remind you as well that the brass boundary not only supplies our service brass products, but it also is a source of Supplying components for our Iron Gate valves as well as our fire hydrants.

Speaker 2

So as part of this, I know we've talked about outsourcing that we've done and as we are continuing to ramp up that foundry, it will also allow us to reduce some of the outsourcing that we have been doing.

Speaker 4

Has that outsourcing reduction started? Just kind of is it maybe 1% versus last year?

Speaker 2

Yes. So absolutely the outsourcing is coming down. It's one of the benefits that we have seen contributing to the gross margin improvement and yes, I'd say that outsourcing is probably down over somewhere let's say in the range of 50% to 60%.

Speaker 4

All right. That's really good news. I'm glad you were able to size that for us. And second question, It was really interesting to hear about some of the resi business stabilizing and that's consistent with what we're seeing on Housing overall, and you're more exposed to these larger neighborhood development projects and The supply looks pretty good there. So to the extent that you can kind of size for us where that stands, what the timing is in terms of the development of those properties that you're seeing today?

Speaker 2

So look, overall in the guidance that we've given, We think the muni market has been fairly resilient. No question 2023 was a Challenging year for the residential construction market as well as land development and that certainly is reflecting the increase in interest rates And consequentially, the mortgage rates as well, which have contributed to that. So we do think that after a challenging 23 where you saw housing starts, you know, about 9% in the last 12 months. We think we could start seeing some normalization as the single family housing starts had been a little bit higher Over the last couple of quarters, we do think that some of the homebuilders are benefiting from the inventories of developed lots as you talk about. But as we looked at the land development, we think there could still be some lingering headwinds there, certainly as they are continuing to face The higher interest rates as they consider their funding as well as permitting challenges as well.

Speaker 2

Certainly looking at the residential construction as well, looking across the U. S, I would say certainly not all regions are equal And we may see stronger activity in some as opposed to others. But overall, as we look to 20 24, we think resi construction will be a little bit more of a headwind for us, but we could see some improvements as we look beyond 2025, but I think certainly where interest rates ultimately go will also be an influencing factor on that.

Speaker 4

Terrific. And it's not a question, just a comment. A shout out to Steve and the team. That was fabulous free cash flow generation this quarter. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Halloran with Baird, your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning everybody. You have Paz on for Mike. I want to go back to the outsourced brass. Obviously, Healthy margin outperformance in the quarter. Can you maybe talk about how much of the reduction in outsourced brass was maybe a surprise and how much that's Tracking versus expectations.

Speaker 5

I know you talked about the foundry timing being unchanged, but maybe it feels like a little bit of positive surprise in And maybe how you're thinking about that trending versus expectations we talked about back in November?

Speaker 2

Yes. So I think let me see if I can overall hit that. I would say, I wouldn't use the word surprised In terms of looking at where we are, I think as we have identified the areas that we know that we can make improvements, I think certainly as the execution and the teams that we have on the supply chain side, as well as we I'll say broadly, there are certainly less disruptions in the supply chain than we've seen if we look over the last couple of years. But I think with respect To the benefits that we've had from a performance, we have been just effective in improving our sourcing overall, which has contributed to that. And over time, it's allowed us, as we said, to bring back some of the outsourcing we've done bring back in house which has certainly helped as well.

Speaker 2

I think the other piece certainly in looking at the margin improvements that we have had even though volumes were lower Overall, the manufacturing performance, we have continued to see improvements there and efficiencies that have also helped. So I would say, it's been a few things that we've seen. Certainly, we've had higher inflation, particularly with respect, I'd say particularly on the labor side, but I would say it's largely due to performance improvements with the achievements we've had from our operations team as well as their supply chain team.

Speaker 3

Yes, the supply chain team has done a really great job managing that and reducing that. And we do think that the improvement in outsourcing cost is one of the main reasons for our gross margin improvement, and we expect that to continue on the ongoing.

Speaker 5

Got it. That's helpful. Maybe switching gears here. In the DAC, you highlight Capacity for M and A and obviously the balance sheet is in healthy shape. Can you maybe talk about how you think about management bandwidth for acquisition integration?

Speaker 5

Can you touch on the state of Current pipeline and really what I'm getting at is, how heavy handed are you having to manage the foundry transition at this point and how much time do you have for the M and A pipeline at this point?

Speaker 2

Yes. So look, overall, and we certainly talked about M and A over the years and continuing to look for the opportunities where we can broaden or deepen Our product line specifically within water and or gas and or related industries. I would say, Let me start with the balance sheet and our capacity there. I think certainly the capital structure that we established a number of years ago certainly gives us flexibility as well as capacity. We talk about the overall capacity that we have not only with the cash that we have on hand, but as well as additional liquidity that we have resulting from our asset based lending agreement.

Speaker 2

So I think from that perspective, We continue to believe that we are very well positioned. I would and from a management perspective, we continue to look for the opportunities that we think are going to be the right value enhancing opportunities for our shareholders. And I would say from a bandwidth perspective, The management team does have the capacity and interest in looking for and then ultimately when we find them delivering in those delivering on those M and A opportunities.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Giordano with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hi, this is Zane on for Joe Giordano. Good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 6

Just wanted to touch base on you mentioned you're expecting price benefits for 2024. Could you compare that Against what you're seeing for inflation and what the differential looks like? And what you've been recently has it stayed at relatively high levels or is it continuing to normalize?

Speaker 3

So we expect a more normalized seasonality for our business. This year's lead times for the majority of our products have normalized and in this normalized inflationary pricing environment, typically announced price increases in the spring as we have done. Historically, average price realization has been in the low single digit range, and we're pleased with our price realization at which reflects the strength of our commercial team and our customer relationships. We think there is a more stable environment this year with most of the inflationary pressures coming from higher labor rates. So We expect our price realization for the 2024 year to be in the low to mid single digit range, and this includes our recently announced price increases on the majority of our iron specialty and gas products and some carryover pricing from prior periods.

Speaker 3

And as a reminder, we typically expect our price realization will continue to more than cover our ongoing inflationary pressures including higher labor rates.

Speaker 6

Thank you. That was very helpful. And just A separate question on your capital projects. Could you talk about the sequential spend across the year? Are you is it expected to be more towards the back half and when you're thinking about them ramping down and moving towards a more normalized free cash flow?

Speaker 2

I want to be clear, your first question, I just want to make sure we heard it correctly. You wanted to talk about sort of the rate of Capital expenditures through the year, I just want to make sure we heard it correctly.

Speaker 6

Yes, yes, that's true.

Speaker 2

Okay. Okay. Very good. So I think, 1st of all, overall, looking at capital expenditures, our guidance for the full year is $45,000,000 to 50,000,000 We were certainly light in the Q1 and I think as we shared in some of our opening comments, lighter in the first quarter. Some of it is comparative relative to the brass boundary expenditures that we had last year.

Speaker 2

We also did Probably some short term delays that related to the cybersecurity incident. That said, we are still Looking for our guidance in the 45 to 50 range, we had talked about overall level of capital expenditures. It has been at a higher level in recent years and that is because of the 3 large capital projects that have been underway. As we said, we are Closing to the finish line in terms of those expenditures with the last being our brass foundry. Our expectations going forward are that capital expenditures will be less than 4% of net sales.

Speaker 2

So we do expect that we will continue to see the expenditure levels as a percent of our net sales to decline. That said, will certainly remind you that we are by and large a vertically integrated manufacturing business. We do have 3 large foundries because we are melting the iron for our hydrants, for our valves, our iron valves as well as for our service brass products. And so certainly we will always have a certain level of maintenance expenditures that we need to make as a result of the manufacturing processes and being vertically integrated.

Speaker 3

Yes. And as it relates to cash, we're obviously pleased with our strong first quarter operating cash flow and obviously significantly higher than the prior period. This improvement was really due mostly to in working capital management, a smaller increase in inventories, higher receivables collections and an increase in payables. As you heard in our prepared remarks, just a reminder here that there was a benefit in the first quarter From payables as a result of delays caused by the cybersecurity incident, which affected some of our systems and we expect those benefits to reverse in our 2nd quarter as our payable systems processes have now normalized. So we're pleased with that, the strong cash performance and I look forward to continuing that going forward.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you so much. That was helpful.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Walt Liptak with Seaport Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning guys.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Paul. Good morning.

Speaker 6

I wanted to ask a follow-up to Dean's question about the outsourcing. I want to make sure I heard this right. So the outsourcing, you've reduced sort of that parallel cost by, I think you said 60% to 80%, is that right?

Speaker 2

I said probably, let's say around 50%, maybe 50% to 60%, but I think it's with we have As we look to the margin improvement that we've seen, I think certainly one of the reasons for that, And we talked about it I think last quarter talking about again this quarter is as we have been able to reduce our outsourcing expenditures which are contributing to the margin improvements.

Speaker 6

Okay. And with it sounds like some of the backlogs are down like 80%, so you've gotten through most of that past due backlog. Do we see more of these Outsourcing costs come out next quarter or do we wait until year end for that to wind down?

Speaker 2

So, first of all, I'll take an important question that you or comment that you made in and around backlog. So with respect to our short cycle backlog or the products that have a short cycle backlog, it's typically our iron gate valves, our fire hydrants and our service brass products. And when we look at our Iron Gate Valves and we look at our fire hydrants, those two products we would say when we look at lead times, we are really pretty much back to normal and the elevated levels of backlog essentially are limited at this point. We still do have a higher than normal backlog level for our service brass products. We reduced that somewhat in the Q1 and we are working to continue to reduce those backlog levels to get to sort of the normalized short cycle backlogs as we work through the balance of our 2024.

Speaker 2

And we did make a meaningful improvement in that in our Q1 as well. The Corollary question that you're asking in and around the outsourcing costs. I know in past calls, we have commented that, that has been one of the contributing factors to the higher cost levels that we have. And I think as we are improving the production levels at our new brass foundry, as well as with the less disruptions on the supply chain and importantly, the work of our supply chain team. We are continuing to see improvements With the outsourcing costs that we have had, we've seen some meaningful improvements there and I think we can continue to see more generally moving forward.

Speaker 6

Okay. That sounds good. Thank you for that. I just wanted to back up to The SG and A cost reduction that you that's been going on for the last couple of quarters, where are we done with the actions taken and are we seeing full benefits now from the SG and A cost cuts?

Speaker 3

Good question. During the Q3 of last year, as you know, we restructured our sales and marketing organization and streamlined other areas of our organization to our business teams close to our customers. We took additional actions to streamline our other G and A expenses, including corporate, which includes some of the support function roles and we are tracking to achieve the $25,000,000 in SG and A savings that we highlighted previously and achieved a big chunk of those in 2023. As a reminder, we do see inflation in SG and A going forward, and it's probably going to be in the range of around 5%. So when you start to compare prior periods, please realize that there is inflation in SG and A.

Speaker 6

Okay. Okay, thanks for that. And then last one is just on the leadership transition. Is there anything that you can tell us? Any timing, is the search still going on or things wrapped up?

Speaker 2

So yes, so that we do not have any updates to At this time, our Board is focused both on the Board refreshment piece as well as the CEO search process. As they said, they have retained an executive search firm. They are considering both internal and candidates, but they have not announced a timeline for this process.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 7

To drill down a little more on price cost trends, it's been favorable You have momentum there. Are you willing to parse out the price cost impact from fiscal 1Q and what is directly contemplated in guidance as of now?

Speaker 2

Yes, let me try to hit on your question. So let me talk on price first. And if some of this I think goes back over the cycle that we had just lived through and I think have gotten on the other side. With the extraordinary levels of inflation that we experienced largely starting in 'twenty two and 23, the supply chain disruptions, all of that. I know that we talked for a while and I'm going back a few years now, I think to give you the context.

Speaker 2

But we were for a while upside down with respect to the price inflationary costs And we implemented certainly a series of price increases and as we stated throughout that time period, The objective was to recover, if you will, sort of the inflationary costs, Get on the other side of that and then ultimately continue to have the pricing more than covering the inflationary costs that we are experiencing. I think now we are in a more normalized inflationary and pricing environment. So we're sort of at this point we're beyond what we experienced. We did announce that we just put in a price increase For our iron, specialty and gas products, from an inflation perspective, We are probably seeing the most inflation with respect to labor costs, as we look at that as a factor going on. But with more stability in the inflationary environment, we think that we can have that As we look ahead at this point, we feel that the pricing that we are forecasting will more than cover what we could see with respect to inflation and importantly preserved margins.

Speaker 3

Yes. And that is in our sales and EBITDA guidance and we do expect the improved manufacturing performance that's been demonstrated and the pricing vis a vis inflation that Marty just referred to offset lower volumes that we're also guiding to. So hopefully that's helpful too.

Speaker 7

As a follow-up, you've called out that over time, IJA spending should be a catalyst for your business. And there are a few areas in which that's identifiable, But likely fiscal 'twenty five and beyond, and that's understood. There are some areas of spending front end kind of work where I suspect you are participating to some extent. What sticks out to me is Echologics with the pipe condition assessment work that you can do To help with LSL mapping and planning, has that been a catalyst for Eclogix to date or is that expected to ramp as That front end work intensifies.

Speaker 2

Yes, I would say specifically with respect to Echologics, We can I can't tell you that we haven't seen the infrastructure bill be a catalyst for Echologics and as we said we really don't feel that from What we're seeing, we don't expect to see much impact from the infrastructure bill in 2024? And look, I think part of this is Just appreciating that sometimes the devil is in the details on these items. And Certainly, we are very positive on the bill long term. We love the certainly the focus that you see with the dollars that will be allocated to water infrastructure, but currently what is going through is just sort of The governmental process as you have to work through various government agencies, which not only include the EPA, they can include, Let's see, DOT, HUD and others just to put specification around the provisions that have to be met the projects that then receive the funding. So look, overall, we think it is going to be beneficial to us, but we just don't expect to see any meaningful impact in our fiscal 'twenty four.

Speaker 2

I will highlight that given the near term focus The administration has certainly put on the lead in hoppable and lead service line replacements that One of the products that we sell, the service brass products are generally needed in conjunction with the lead service line replacement.

Speaker 3

Yes, as part of the infrastructure bill, nearly $12,000,000 was deployed to that program and inventory that the municipalities are is due at the well, really the start of our fiscal 2025 weekend at the end of this calendar 'twenty four. So those benefits are coming in when those lines start getting replaced.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's actually $15,000,000,000 I think that was the lead service line replacement, dollars 12,000,000 in other areas of water infrastructure.

Speaker 3

That's correct. It's $55,000,000,000 going into the industry is always

Operator

Thank you. And at this time, we have no further questions.

Speaker 2

Very good. Well, look, thank you all again for joining us today. While we are very pleased with our Q1, it's early in the year and there does remain a great deal of uncertainty in the external environment, But our team members have done exceptional work overcoming some of the recent external challenges and I am really confident that we are better equipped to navigate any outside of our control. Mueller is at an inflection point. We have made meaningful strategic investments and operational improvements to date, we are well positioned as we just discussed to benefit from the tailwinds for the increased investment in the water infrastructure And we have the capability to help municipalities address their accelerating challenges.

Speaker 2

We are on a path to continued increasing our margins, improving our operational performance and enhancing the position that we have with our customers, suppliers and employees. We thank you for your continued interest in Mueller. Operator, with that, we can conclude the call.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may disconnect at this time.

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Mueller Water Products Q1 2024
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