Cytek Biosciences Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 28, 2024

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Citec Biosciences 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Paul Goodson, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Earlier today, Citec Biosciences released financial preliminary results for the quarter year ended December 31, 2023. If you haven't received this news release or if you'd like to be added to the company's distribution list, please send an email to investorscitecbio.com. Joining me today from Citec are Wenbin Zhang, CEO and Patrick Jean Monod, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that management will make statements during the call that are forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements regarding CITEC's business plans, strategies, opportunities and financial projections.

Speaker 1

These statements are based on the company's current expectations and inherently involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. Additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties appears in the section entitled Forward Looking Statements in the press release CITEC issued today and in CITEC's filings with the SEC. This call will also include a discussion of certain financial measures that are not calculated in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. Reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure may be found in today's earnings release submitted to the SEC. Except as required by law, Cytec disclaims any duty to update any forward looking statements whether because of new information, future events or changes in its expectations.

Speaker 1

This conference call contains time sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast February 28, 2024. Finally, I would like to mention that CITEC will be participating in a variety of industry and academic conferences throughout 2024. While these are primarily geared to the scientific community, they may offer an opportunity to interact with users of our technologies to learn why CITEX instruments are so highly valued by our customers. There is a cost to attend most events and we have a limited number of spaces to accommodate members of the financial community. So if you are interested in attending, please contact me.

Speaker 1

With that, I will turn the call over to Wen Bin.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Paul. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for your interest in Citec. On the call today, I will discuss our results for the Q4 and the full year of 2023, briefly highlight our achievements in 2023 and provide some details on our strategic objectives for the year. Then I will turn the call over to Patrick for a deeper look at our financials and our outlook for 2024 before we open it up for Q and A. We delivered solid total revenue growth in the 4th quarter, which brought our total revenue for 2023 to exceed our guidance range.

Speaker 2

Specifically, in the 4th quarter, we grew revenue to $58,600,000 an increase of 21% over the prior year. Total revenue for 2023 was $193,400,000 representing an increase of 18% over 2022. This included approximately $9,800,000 $28,700,000 of revenue from the product lines acquired from Luminex during the last 3 12 months ended December 31, 2023, which included only 10 months of revenue contribution from the Amlex and Guava product line. Notably, we continued to see steady demand for our organic instruments in 2023, the majority of which were our SCI Tech Aurora and Northern Lights instruments. We also saw increased demand for our Aurora sales order.

Speaker 2

While our Q4 performance is encouraging, 2023 overall was challenging with dynamic macroeconomic market conditions impacting our business and those across our sector. We took proactive steps to address these temporary headwinds and execute a balanced business strategy to drive continued growth and deliver profitability. As part of this initiative, we implemented actions to align our cost structure to remain an agile organization. Following the completion of our integration of the AMNEX and GUAVA product lines from Luminex. Earlier this quarter, we streamlined our organization to eliminate redundancies arising out of the acquisition and the focus on areas where we see the greatest potential for long term value creation.

Speaker 2

While it is very hard to pass away with valued members of our team, the rightsizing of our organization will enable us to increase our operational efficiency as we execute our growth strategy and support our commitment to remaining a profitable company. During 2023, we expanded our global footprint with 478 organic sites and 2 19 Amex and Guava instruments sold. These 478 organic instruments bring the all time total of organic instruments placed to 2,148. Our instruments are used today in over 70 countries and regions. For the year ended December 31, 2023, our revenue distribution reflects a balance of 53% attributed to the USA, 28% to EMEA and 19% to Asia Pacific and others.

Speaker 2

Due to the sales performance of the acquired Amnex and Guava products, our EMEA numbers were strong in the Q4 and the full year 2023. We have more than 1500 broad based customers across multiple verticals and the revenue categories, represented at the end of 2023 by approximately 43% academic and government owned institutions and 57% pharma, biotech distributors and CROs. We delivered growth across our diversified revenue streams, including with our division portfolio and with our service business, areas that we expect to be leading growth drivers for SiTech in the future. This ongoing positive trend reflects the utilization of our instruments and the synergistic effect of our key revenue drivers, instruments, relations and services. 2023 was a transitional year for SiTech.

Speaker 2

We strategically expanded our portfolio and strengthened our near and long term competitive foundation in flow cytometry. We acquired the Luminex Pro Cytometry and Imaging business about EIEGO and successfully completed the integration by year end, including cross training both service teams. This significant milestone enables efficiencies across our organization with 1st, access to new cell imaging and the capillary fluids technology second, a larger global presence with access to new markets and research areas and 3rd, improve the go to market and operational effectiveness with a larger installed base and a deep bench of flow cytometry experts providing synergies in our service operations. With the integration complete, we have already realized some significant benefits from the transaction. These benefits include a meaningful growth in our service revenue and the gross margin, improvement in Guava's gross margins and a strong performance in the EU enabled by Almanex and Guava.

Speaker 2

We are also pleased to see some early successes with the convergence of Guava users to Northern Lights as well as some high margin sales through the bundling of Amex image stream with Aurora and our sales order. Overall, we at Sighta continue to value the Amlex and the Guava acquisition as an important success for our company. In the Q4, we also launched the Saitek Orion Smart Cocktail Reagent Mixer that simplifies and accelerates the workflows and reduces reagent waste. Notably, the FICAC Orion system is unique in that it is focused solely on cocktail making for sample preparation, enabling a smaller footprint and making it ideal for applications such as drug discovery that will use the same culture multiple times. It also ensures that users are only paying for features that they need at a lower price point than competitive solutions.

Speaker 2

The introduction of this unique new preparation device moves the Scitech roadmap forward, expands our suite of solutions for the cell analysis market and strengthens our offerings for pharma, biotech and CRO customers. To drive utilization of our solutions and to accelerate new adoption, we delivered software enhancements and the functionalities to Sitecore in 2023, supporting our growing customer base with an integrated end to end operating system for our cell analysis platform. Customer adoption of Cytec Cloud has surpassed expectations. We now have over 6,000 users and an average of 3 SITA Cloud users per installed Citrix FSP instrument. On the clinical front, in 2023, we continued to stay ahead of the regulatory curve by securing IVTR compliance in the EU and the continued growth in clinical applications in China.

Speaker 2

Relevant to our worldwide operations, we also received our ISO 13,485 Quality Management System Certification of our headquarters and the manufacturing operations in Fremont, California to produce our fluorocytometers, reagents and accessories. This allocation bolsters our plans to focus on the translational and the critical market and sends a strong signal to customers in these segments that we are committed to serving them, taking every step necessary to responsibly do so in the future. Recently, we were excited to announce that we signed an agreement with the Center For Genomic Regulation and the Pang Pua Fabra University, CRG UPF, in spend to drive technological innovation and accelerate discoveries for the scientific community. The CRG UPF flow cytometry unit is used by more than 500 researchers for more than 100 research projects every year. Under the terms of the agreement, Citec will provide its Spectraflow cytometry platforms along with trained support personnel to the CRG UPF flow cytometry unit headquarters.

Speaker 2

Together with the integration of these institutes and the core facilities, we will work to explore new applications and develop new tools and solutions to address the challenges faced by the scientific community. In summary, I'm proud of our team's achievements in 2023 amidst challenging market conditions. Importantly, I remain confident in our long term growth trajectory and the value creation across our business despite near term headwinds that we cannot control. Our strategic priorities in 2024 are centered on fortifying our competitive position with a team focused on financial discipline and operational excellence and efficiency. Our team is laser focused on 3 key items to drive our business: revenue growth, margin expansion and the capital efficiency to deliver sustainable profitability and maximize free cash flow.

Speaker 2

With this balanced focus on driving profitable growth, we are making prudent investments integral to position ourselves as a leader in flow cytometry. Cytec remains on the forefront of innovation and the industry leadership, and we are excited for our bright future ahead. With that, I will now turn the call over to Patrick for more details around our financials.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Weng Bin. Total revenue for the Q4 of 2023 was $58,600,000 a 21% increase over the Q4 of 2022. This included approximately $9,800,000 of revenue from the product and services acquired from the Luminex transaction, which closed on February 28, 2023. Organic revenue, which excludes revenue from the acquired products and services, was $48,800,000 an increase of 1% compared to the Q4 of 2022. For the quarters following the 1 year anniversary of our Luminex acquisition, we will no longer provide the breakout of this inorganic revenue.

Speaker 3

Therefore, while we will report organic and inorganic revenue for our Q1 of 2024, we will cease providing this breakout for the second and future quarters. Gross profit was $33,700,000 for the Q4 of 2023, an increase of 15% compared to a gross profit of $29,400,000 in the Q4 of 2022. Gross profit margin was 57% in the Q4 of 2023 compared to 61% in the Q4 of 2022. Adjusted gross profit margin in the Q4 of 2023 was 60% compared to 62% in the Q4 of 2022 after adjusting for stock based Operating expenses were $32,800,000 for the Q4 of 2023, a 12% increase from $29,300,000 in the Q4 of 2022. The increase in operating expenses was primarily due to expenses related to the Luminex transaction and personnel related expenses across sales and marketing and research and development.

Speaker 3

Research and development expenses were $10,900,000 for the Q4 of 2023 as compared to $9,700,000 for the prior year period. Sales and marketing expenses were $11,600,000 for the Q4 of 2023 as compared to $9,000,000 for the prior year period. General and administrative expenses were $10,300,000 for the Q4 of 2023 as compared to $10,500,000 in the prior year period. Income from operation was $900,000 for the 4th quarter compared to an income from operation of $100,000 for the Q4 of 2022. The net income in the Q4 of 2023 was $6,300,000 compared to net income of $3,700,000 in the Q4 of 2022.

Speaker 3

Additionally, adjusted EBITDA in the 4th quarter of 2023 was positive $11,000,000 compared to positive $6,600,000 in the Q4 of 2022 after adjusting for stock based compensation expense. Now for the full year 2023. Total revenue for the year ended December 31, 2023 was $193,400,000 an 18% increase over the year ended December 31, 2022. This included approximately $28,700,000 of revenue from the product and services acquired from the Luminex transaction, which closed on February 28, 2023. On a constant currency basis, total revenue was $194,100,000 an increase of 13% over the full year of 2022.

Speaker 3

The total revenue in 2023 was driven by revenue contribution from the products acquired from the Luminex transaction, along with continued sales of the Citec full spectrum instruments. Gross profit was $110,100,000 for the year ended December 31, 2023, an increase of 9% compared to a gross profit of $101,000,000 in the year ended December 31, 2022. Gross profit margin was 57% in the year ended December 31, 2023 compared to 62% in the year ended December 31, 2022. Adjusted gross profit margin in the year ended December 31, 2023 was 59% compared to 62% in the year ended December 31, 2022 after adjusting for stock based compensation expense and amortization of acquisition related intangibles. The lower product gross margin were driven primarily by higher material cost, acquisition cost and by less favorable instrument product mix following the Luminex transaction.

Speaker 3

Operating expenses were $136,800,000 for the year ended December 31, 2023, a 33% increase from $102,800,000 in the year ended December 31, 2022. The increase was primarily due to the increased headcount and personnel related expenses across R and D and sales and marketing. Research and development expenses were $44,200,000 for the year ended December 31, 2023, compared to $34,900,000 for the year ended December 31, 2022. Sales and marketing expenses were $49,100,000 for the year ended December 31, 2023 compared to $33,200,000 for the year ended December 31, 2022. General and administrative expenses were $43,500,000 for the year ended December 31, 2023, an increase from $34,700,000 for the year ended December 31, 2022.

Speaker 3

Net loss in the year ended December 31, 2023 was $11,300,000 compared to net income of $2,500,000 in the year ended December 31, 2022. Adjusted EBITDA in the year ended December 31, 2023 was $13,700,000 compared to $21,200,000 in the year ended December 31, 2022, after adjusting for stock based compensation expense and other non recurring expenses. We are committed to improving these metrics going forward. Cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and short term investment were $262,700,000 as of December 31, 2023. This represents a decline of $81,300,000 from the $344,000,000 at the end of December 2022, primarily due to the Luminex transaction.

Speaker 3

Our stock repurchase program partially offset with cash generated by the business. Our strong balance sheet, free from external operational financial needs, underscores our organization's vitality. With healthy cash reserves and profitability track record, we continue to operate from a position of strength that enables our global growth efforts. During the Q4, we continued to repurchase our stock. Following the $50,000,000 repurchase authorization we announced in May last year.

Speaker 3

We repurchased approximately $34,700,000 worth of Citec stock in open market transaction in the Q4. Share repurchase under this program are canceled, leaving us with approximately 100 and 30,700,000 shares outstanding as of December 31, 2023. Approximately $44,200,000 of the original $50,000,000 repurchase authorization was completed. Although that authorization expired at the end of 2023, we are evaluating whether to extend it and if so by how much. Now turning to our revenue outlook for 2024.

Speaker 3

We have been encouraged to see modest improvement in customer spending pattern in the 4th quarter and we are seeing some follow through in that strength in the Q1 of 2024. For the full year 2024, we expect modest growth across all our product lines with the build of the growth being weighted towards the back half of the year, consistent with historical spending patterns in our customer base. Taking these factors into account, we are anticipating our 2024 revenue to be in the range of $203,000,000 to $213,000,000 representing 5% to 10% growth over 2023 total revenue, assuming no change in currency exchange rates. Today, we are reiterating our long standing commitment to operating the business profitably on an annual basis as measured by adjusted EBITDA. In addition, for the full year 2024, we expect to report positive net income.

Speaker 3

As Wenbin mentioned, we continue to focus on improving operational efficiencies across our business and aligning our overall cost structure to ensure that we remain an agile organization in the best possible position to drive growth and deliver profitability. Within these goals, we are committed to investing in the CITEC brand through a variety of efforts and innovation through our strong commitment to new product development. As a possible addition to these initiatives, Citec is continuing to evaluate opportunities to accelerate our revenue growth through M and A and or other corporate development actions, which will be subject to stringent financial, operational, technical and market presence criteria. With that, I will turn it back over to Wenbin.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Patrick. I'm very proud of our Scitech team around the world for successfully navigating through a tough environment to meet the needs of our customers. It is their shared belief in our mission, combined with strong execution of our strategy that positions Citec as an industry leader in advancing the next generation of cell analysis. This year, we will continue to deepen our customer relationships to drive greater adoption and the utilization of CITEC cell analysis solutions and innovation that supports their priorities to push the bounds of scientific discovery and the clinical progress. I want to thank everyone for joining the call today and we will now open it up for questions.

Speaker 2

Operator?

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Matt Sykes with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. This is Evie on for Matt. What are you seeing in the academic market, both in 4Q and then what are your expectations for 2024? Maybe just talk through what your customers are saying in that market and how your sales funnel looks going into the year?

Speaker 3

So looking at the hi, Eevi, it's Patrick. I hope you can hear me okay. So we continue to see strength in the academia, but we've actually seen higher strength in the biotech segment.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thank you. And then I think you said for 2024, you're expecting sort of a broad range of improvement across the different instrument types, but maybe talk through different trends you're seeing within each category and maybe talk about the higher end instruments and how those are trending?

Speaker 3

Yes. I can give a first crack and maybe Wenbin can augment. So obviously, one instrument that has created a lot of demand is the cell sorter. So we expect the cell sorter to continue to grow nicely in this year. We also expect to see continued growth on the 2 high end products that we have, which is the Aurora and the Amnis family products, along with the Northern Lights.

Speaker 3

So overall, we expect product to continue to grow this year with predominance in the second half of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from David Westenberg with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi. Thank you for taking the question. So, I know you're not breaking out Luminex revenue specifically, but just for modeling and cadence purposes, I know the Luminex acquisition, I think, closed in like middle of Q1. So how should we think about the revenue growth rate in Q1 or the cadence of Q1 relative to the rest of the year, just given the fact that we have that inorganic component? And I have a couple more follow ups after that.

Speaker 3

Yes, David, thanks. That's a good question. So we expect actually the revenue in Q1 to be slightly above the overall annual growth rate for the year just because of what you just highlighted. Yes, you're correct.

Speaker 5

Okay. Okay. I mean, just small magnitude then in Q1?

Speaker 3

Yes. But it will be, yes, correct.

Speaker 5

Okay. Small but noticeable. Okay. Thank you very much. And then just on market growth of flow cytometry, I mean, you were a big 30% grower and kind of not to harper on the reduction in kind of where your growth is.

Speaker 5

But can you maybe talk about the market growth rate of flow cytometry total? I mean it's been a pretty mature technology overall. So I mean I'm guessing you're growing significantly faster than the market for a number of years. Is this 5%, 10% kind of like the way we should think about flow cytometry just as a market whole and kind of maybe that's a steady state? And then if you could break that out versus instrument consumables, I know how much faster each one grows and I don't know if that's possible.

Speaker 5

Thanks.

Speaker 3

So maybe I'll give it a first crack here. So the industry, I mean, it's growing in a 6% to 8% flow cytometry growth rate. Now last year, this wasn't visible. I think last year was a kind of a more difficult year for the industry, yet we're coming out from an organic point of view fairly flat. With the Luminex acquisition, we're actually up 21% in Q4 and 18% for the full year.

Speaker 3

The expectation is that the on the go forward, we should see probably similar growth rates, kind of 6% to 8% for the industry, probably more skewed towards the second half, that's for the instrument and under reagent consumable, the expectation that it should go a little faster.

Speaker 5

Got it. No, thank you very much. And then sorry, I cut you off.

Speaker 2

No, that's fine. And just to add on top of that, based on the numbers we have seen through Q3 last year, cell analysis, Lumen actually actually, full cytometry is part of the cell analysis, was a down market overall. So under this environment, we still maintain the growth.

Speaker 5

Got it. No, and I get that there probably was a pretty challenging capital equipment environment just given the fact where budgets are at right now. So I was just curious on because margins were a little bit down. So I'm curious if you're seeing kind of industry discounting just given capital equipment environment or and also if I think last quarter you discussed the possibility that you might have been you could be doing kind of some reagent rental models or working with financing companies. Can you talk about any of those kind of dynamics as we get into or we're dealing with this capital funding environment?

Speaker 5

And just as one last follow-up to that, are you getting any indication that maybe things are getting better? I mean, there were a few biotech IPOs at the beginning of the year. I don't know if we're running maybe NIH budgets or something else for flow. And sorry, I know that's a lot there, but I promise that would be my last question. Thank you.

Speaker 3

So I can start with the aviation rental, which is the easiest one. Yes, we've started offering the program, but it's very, very small. So I wouldn't call it as any of significance for us, but it's something that we consider continuing to build going forward. On the margin, Dave, so fairly pleased to see that overall, our service business margin has gone up substantially from actually a year ago or eventually even 2 years ago where it wasn't profitable. So I think we checked the box on the service side kind of nicely.

Speaker 3

On the product, you correctly see the more pressure on the gross profit margin, and that's really a combination of selling instruments that have for some slightly lower gross profit margin, while at the same time we are still expecting to continue to see this margin to come back up in the future just because we are continuing to optimize our business. Finally, on the IPO question, on earlier this year, obviously, it was a positive very positive and welcoming trend. I think the one point doesn't make it the trend. So we welcome other IPOs and hopefully that will drive some CapEx. But I'll turn it also to Weng Bin, if he wants to add anything to my earlier comments.

Speaker 2

Yes. With regarding to the product gross margin, as you know, we integrated Limberex guava product into our portfolio and that product line was a low margin business. However, we have now moved the production completely into our facility, Saitek facility, and we are expecting to see an improvement from where we were before.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Tejas Savant with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks, guys. This is Edmond on for Tejas. Thank you for taking the questions. First, Patrick, you mentioned modest improvements in customer spending patterns. I was wondering if you guys could provide some more details on that, maybe across end markets or geography?

Speaker 6

And what are you currently baking to your 2024 guidance in terms of assumptions for a recovery?

Speaker 3

Right. So just to go at the different geographies. So what we've seen in Q4 is actually strength in the EMEA APAC region and slightly followed by the United States segment. So overall, I think the 2 segments that have driven some growth for us are really APAC and EMEA. Overall, when we look at the split for revenue, we still see 50 plus in that United States region, followed by the EMEA around 28 and then behind that APAC and other for the remaining balance.

Speaker 3

When looking at the growth for this year, and obviously, we are obviously also in this situation where we're waiting for some macro events to help us a little bit. That could be the Fed. But overall, I think what we've seen so far is that there's been some activity with the customers. We see demand for the sales order, obviously. But we especially for this year, I think the expectation is that the second half is going to be as pronounced, if not slightly more pronounced than last year.

Speaker 6

Got it. And appreciating that you guys aren't breaking out contributions from FCI going forward, but with all of your integrations action completed, can we expect FCI revenues in 2023 to be a base line level and for it to grow year over year in 2024?

Speaker 3

That's the expectation, yes.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you. And finally, I think some of the larger tools peers have talked about seeing or expecting a modestly later pharma budget release in 2024. Is this a dynamic that you're seeing as well?

Speaker 3

I'll turn it to Wenbin.

Speaker 2

Absolutely, that's exactly what we are expecting, a reason why we have indicated and we're going to see a stronger part in the second half of twenty twenty four. That's already embedded in our guidance.

Speaker 6

Got it. Appreciate the time.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jacqueline Kiza with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi. This is Jacqueline Kiza on the call for Steven Ma. Thanks for taking the question.

Operator

Just to drill down a

Speaker 7

bit more on your comments regarding your global footprint, how much does China make up of your APAC revenues? And do you expect 2024 to stabilize with regards to China based headwinds?

Speaker 3

Yes. So the majority of APAC has slowly become China. So it's growing.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks. And just to follow-up on that, could you provide any insight on any exposure you might have to China based companies, which have been recently flagged in the proposed BioSecure Act, such as Wuxi Aptek and Wuxi Biologics?

Speaker 2

That's more related to Genomics. We are a fair analysis company. And so for now, we don't see any real impact.

Speaker 7

Excellent. And if I could just fit one more in. With regards to your clinical efforts across the globe, are there any specific clinical milestones we could expect to see this coming year?

Speaker 2

And as you can see, last year, we received the IDTR. And with this clearance in Europe, we expect to see some obvious progress for this year on the clinical side for our business over there.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Mason Carriko with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, guys. This is Jacob on for Mason. Thanks for taking our questions. So on your newly launched Orion reagent cocktail mixer that you launched in the Q4, just wondering what initial customer interest and adoption has been in that? And as much as you're willing, how much you're kind of expecting that to contribute in terms of revenue in 2024?

Speaker 3

Yes, I can take maybe the contribution to the revenue. We don't really break out instruments in revenue, but I'll let Wenbin talk to the interest customer interest.

Speaker 2

Yes. This product was primarily aimed for a pharmaceutical company and the CRO to help them on their clinical studies clinical trial, right. And so this is our initial customers. And so since it was just launched, we are engaging with them and working with them and nail down the interest level. And we expect this is going to be a gradually growing business for us.

Speaker 8

Got it. Understood. And I know you guys aren't really breaking out your revenue or anything, but I guess just with respect to your reagents business, I know historically it's been a mid to high single digit percentage of your total revenue. Just wondering in 2024, if that's still you still largely hold that expectation or if you see anything any trends there changing?

Speaker 3

Yes. All the same expectation with maybe slight improvement over that, yes.

Speaker 8

Got it. And then just my last one here. Just how do you see OpEx turned in throughout 2024? And that's my last one. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 8

Yes.

Speaker 3

So I'm sure you'll see that in the filing, but this quarter actually we landed at €32,800,000 in OpEx and that's the lowest it's been this year. And the expectation is that going forward, we'll manage around this number quite tightly.

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect.

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